Episode 3324： Victory Against Wall Street
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Supreme Court Justice Neil Gorsuch has a family history of anti-regulatory activism. His mom, a former chief of the EPA, railed against air and water quality regulations in the early 1980s, and that ardent defiance landed her in contempt of Congress, leading to her resignation months later. Her son built his legal career on a similar streak, voting against numerous regulations aimed at protecting the environment.
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of federal agencies may be in the hands of Supreme Court Justice Neil Gorsuch, and he's got some
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family history there. His mom, a former chief of the EPA, railed against air and water quality
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regulations in the early 1980s, and that ardent defiance landed her in contempt of Congress,
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leading to her resignation months later. Her son built his legal career on a similar
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anti-regulatory streak, voting against numerous regulations aimed at protecting the environment,
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student debt forgiveness, and COVID-19 precautions. Today, the nation's highest court will hear a pair
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of cases testing the scope of federal agencies' regulatory power, and at the center of those
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cases is a 1984 Supreme Court decision that Gorsuch previously has said should be reversed.
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We have CNN's Joan Baskupic joining us now with the details. This is pretty interesting here,
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Joan. What can you tell us about these cases before the court? Sure, and I'll just first tell you just
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about the unusual Gorsuch connection. Yeah. The 1984 case actually arose from policy that Ann Gorsuch
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was implementing. Wow. So it's just, and after she was essentially run out of town by the Reagan
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administration, she wrote a book that said, Are You Tough Enough? That was the title, but in it,
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she referred to the fact that her son Neil, now the justice, was really upset by what happened to her.
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He was just 15 at the time. But here we are, now with a major test of a decision that became a
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landmark through EPA policy that Ann Gorsuch was part of. But let me just tell you about this 1984
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case. It's called Chevron versus Natural Resources Defense Council. And what it says is that if there's
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an ambiguous statute that's being enforced by a regulator, judges who would hear any kind of lawsuit
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over the statute should defer to what the agency says it means, as long as the agency's interpretation
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is reasonable. Now this all comes about because Congress often will write, you know, a sweeping
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statute and leave the details of policy to agencies. This happens all the time. In fact, this 1984
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ruling has been one of the most, if not the most cited cases in the federal courts and at the Supreme
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Court. And today it's being tested because big businesses supporting these two fisheries who are
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challenging a marine fishery policy have come before the justices urging the court to overturn
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Chevron. And this court is really primed for it. You know, the, not just Neil Gorsuch, but two other
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Trump appointees. This has kind of been an agenda item for them and for other conservatives on the
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Supreme Court. You mentioned the fact that there are fishing industry considerations at play with
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this decision, but I imagine this is going to impact a lot more industries than just fishing.
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Absolutely. In fact, I would say environmental protection, as Ann Gorsuch once oversaw,
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workplace safety, consumer rights protections, the drug industry, you just name it, you know,
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just think of how many areas of the law the federal government touches. And let me just read two
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things from Neil Gorsuch, who you guys opened with his being at the center of the case. He had been
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pushing this Supreme Court to take up a case that would test the Chevron deference, as it's known.
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And two years ago, when the justices decided not to, he wrote a dissent and he said, rather than say
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what the law is, we tell those who come before us to go ask a bureaucrat. We place a finger on the
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scales of justice in favor of the most powerful of litigants, the federal government and against
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everyone else. And then during the back and forth, I just came from the oral arguments and they took
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more than three hours, very tense three hours. At one point, Justice Neil Gorsuch said, the government
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always wins. Chevron is exploited against the individual and in favor of the government. So it
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was, you know, I can really feel the momentum on the part of conservatives, including Neil Gorsuch,
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to try to really roll back this policy, which, as I say, has given wide latitude to federal regulators
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in a host of areas, including environmental protection, workplace safety, consumer rights.
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This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on
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these people. I got a free shot. All these networks lying about the people. The people
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have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything
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in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen.
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And where do people like that go to share the big line? Mega media. I wish in my soul,
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I wish that any of these people had a conscience. Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
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If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
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It's Wednesday, 17 January, year of alert, 2024. Mike Davis is going to join us. I want to make a
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program note. The President of the United States, Donald Trump, is going to come to the microphones
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in a minute from the Manhattan court room he's been at today and address the nation. We're
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going to pick that up live when that happens. Mike Davis, you were probably as close to Justice
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Gorsuch as anybody in the legal community. Tell us what happened today, the importance of this case.
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We profiled it this morning. The importance of this case, a monumental day. Gorsuch's role.
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Well, these cases are critically important because the Supreme Court could overrule one of its egregiously
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unconstitutional decisions from 40 years ago called Chevron, where these courts defer to these
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agencies on these agencies' own interpretations of their own laws. And so even if nine justices
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on the Supreme Court of the United States think the agency gets it wrong, if the statute is not clear,
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if it's ambiguous, and the agency says, yeah, we have that power, yeah, we can do that, of course,
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an agency is going to take more power, then these federal courts are just supposed to defer to that
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agency's interpretation of its own statutes, which is clearly unconstitutional. It's actually dangerous
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because it goes directly against our separation of powers in our government. Congress is supposed to
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write the laws. The president is supposed to execute those laws enacted by our duly elected
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members of Congress, and the courts have a very limited but modest role, and that's to say what
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the law is. And what we've seen, we've talked about this a couple years ago, Steve, when I first started
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coming on the War Room. What we've seen over the last 90 years is these agencies, these unelected
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bureaucrats like the Tony Fauci's of the world have grabbed all three branches' powers, where you
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have these unelected bureaucrats in the executive branch writing the laws, you have them enforcing
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the laws where they have civil service protection, you can't get rid of them, even if they're bad
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civil servants, and then they're interpreting their own laws. They have all three powers of the federal
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government all wrapped up into these unelected bureaucrats called these administrative agencies.
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And I hope the Supreme Court is going to reverse Chevron now that President Trump has appointed
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three constitutionalist justices who understand their modest but critical role is to say what the law is.
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People, and Mike, you know this, a lot of the audience or some of the audience might not,
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but when you go into the Supreme Court and one of the guy gets, one of the two sides gets to argue,
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they have all these, you know, they're prepared statement, they're ready to go. You could be 30
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seconds into it and the justice starts just bombing you with questions, right? They're not sitting there
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just waiting for the guy to talk. This was three hours today. And from people I talked to, it was
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pretty intense. Give us your assessment of actually the oral arguments and the blowback from the justices.
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Well, I mean, it's very clear where Justice Gorsuch is. He wrote an opinion on this when he was on the
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10th Circuit Court of Appeals blasting Chevron because of the reasons I described, how undemocratic,
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how unconstitutional Chevron is. And what we saw back in 2019 before Amy Coney Barrett got appointed to
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the bench was there was a five to four decision called Kaiser versus Wilkie, where they looked at a
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separate doctrine, the sister to Chevron deference called our deference, where the courts defer to
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an agency's interpretation of its own regulation. So there are statutes that are passed by Congress
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that get Chevron deference. And then there are agency regulations that get our deference. And you
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had five justices. You had the Chief Justice John Roberts join the four liberals and they limited
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our deference, but they still upheld it. Now with President Trump finishing the transformation
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of the Supreme Court with the appointment of Justice Amy Coney Barrett to replace the late
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Ruth Bader Ginsburg, you could see five conservative, five constitutionalist justices in this
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unconstitutional charade and power grab by these administrative agencies, unelected bureaucrats,
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by once and for all ending Chevron deference, this abomination of constitutional law that's been
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on the books for 40 years. It is clearly wrong. It's clearly unconstitutional. And it has
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devastating consequences to real Americans in real America, like these fishermen who have to pay
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$700 a day to have these federal observers go on their fishing boats to do conservation efforts,
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whatever the hell that because of this ambiguous statute. Well, these fishermen, you know, they're
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not gazillionaires. They have, they have slim margins in order to make ends meet. And you have the
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Department of Commerce and the Fisheries Service at the Department of Commerce using an ambiguous
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statute and using it as a power grab to wipe out these fisher of these fishermen who are just trying
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to make money to feed their families. And it's just, it's sick what the federal government can do.
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They have this, they have this power through Chevron deference. And even if these federal judges
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say that the Department of Commerce, including the Fisheries Service, got it wrong as a matter of law,
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they're just supposed to defer to these bureaucrats. That's just not how our constitution
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works in the Supreme Court. God willing, we'll fix this this year.
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To take the administrative state and eventually the deep state apart brick by brick,
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you've got to have a real interpretation of the law. That's why this case is so important. That's
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why the Supreme Court, and quite frankly, Gorsuch is the intellectual leader of the deconstruction of
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the administrative state from the legal side. Give me a minute, though, on the personal story here.
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I'm quite familiar with people who defy congressional subpoenas when they think they're illegitimate.
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Walk me through the mother and the son's relationship.
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Well, I mean, a lot of that's psychobabble, but I know that, look, when Justice Gorsuch was a kid,
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he went out to Washington, D.C. when he was a teenager and hated it. He got burned by Washington,
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D.C. because he saw how corrupt Washington, D.C. was. And so he saw his mother get chewed up and spit
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out by the administrative state. He hated Washington, D.C. So unlike other justices on the Supreme Court,
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who are the homecoming kings of Washington, D.C., I'm not talking about you, John Roberts,
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but people like Neil Gorsuch hate Washington, D.C. and they understand how dangerous it is and how
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dangerous these administrative agencies are to our liberties as Americans. Look, these fishermen
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can't afford the fancy lawyers but for the fact that these non-profits, these conservative
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non-profits stepped in to help them on their legal fees and get them very good lawyers to get this
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teed up for the Supreme Court. That's just, you know, we have farmers, we have ranchers,
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we have people who have to deal with the behemoth of the federal government every day and they get
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crushed. They get cowed into submission. Even though they know what the federal government is doing is
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wrong, they don't have the ability to fight. Well, Neil Gorsuch understands those people and that's
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who he thinks about when he rules on these cases. He understands his job is to follow the
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constitution, including the carefully separated powers, and it's his job to, you know, to side
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with everyday Americans, real Americans in real America who are getting crushed by this
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unconstitutional administrative state. Such a big day for us, by the way. Huge announcements on
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the natural asset companies. We got a victory there. The team, Marlo from Utah, the attorney general,
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oh no, the treasurer of the state will be with us, Frank Gaffney. Huge development, the New York Stock
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Exchange today. Other victories. DeGrasse is going to join us. Congressman Goldman's after, going after
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Stefanik, right? Stefanik about her comments the other day about the J6. Real quickly, Mike,
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additionally, the lead story in Politico, President Trump's going to jump up real quickly. The lead story
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in Politico was about President Trump, the case that they're taking against Jack Smith. Give me a minute on
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how important the review by the Supreme Court of this case is. Well, Jack Smith's case is not going
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to survive much of this Supreme Court review. Jack Smith brought four counts against President
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Trump, including obstruction of official proceedings passed after Sarbanes-Oxley to go after people who
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destroy evidence. And Jack Smith and the Biden Justice Department, they're using this Sarbanes-Oxley
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law, 18 U.S.C. 1512-C, to go after January 6th protesters instead of 18 U.S.C. 1505.
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Mike, we've got President Trump starting at the court. We're going to bounce. We'll come back and
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Action. The judge would have been very nice and would have let me go because I want to be at
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every trial day because I saw what happened in the first one where I was asked not to go by the
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lawyers very much. They said, it's demeaning. There was no evidence. There was no anything.
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And so I didn't go. And I understood exactly what he meant when he said it was demeaning. There was no
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reason to go and you shouldn't go. And I decided on this one. Same judge, same judge. He's a radical
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Trump hater. And I said, I will go to all days. So what happened very terribly is we asked to just delay
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the trial for one day so I could go to the funeral tomorrow and then we could saw it Friday or Monday
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or any time they want. And he said, absolutely not. The trial will go on just as it is. You can go to
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the funeral or you can go to the trial, but you can't do both. I thought it was terrible. I thought
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it was terrible. So he would rather have me miss the funeral or go to the funeral, miss the trial.
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Well, and that's a nasty man. He's a nasty judge. He's a Trump hating guy. And it's obvious to
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everybody in the court. It's a disgrace. Frankly, what's happening. It's a disgrace. Happens to be a
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Clinton appointment, but I'm sure that has nothing to do with it. So that's as to that
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second order of business. I'm leaving right now for New Hampshire. We're making a big speech up in
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New Hampshire. We just got a poll in that shows me leading by a lot. And I think we'll do there,
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maybe similar to what we did in Iowa. The difference is that in New Hampshire,
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they allow Democrats to vote for whatever reason in the Republican primary. And they also let
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independents vote in the Republican primary. So that is a big difference. But we have a
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nice journey. It's going to take place in about five minutes when I'm finished with you people.
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I'll be leaving for New Hampshire, in other words, right after this. And then as to the trial today,
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it was a very interesting day. As you probably notice, it's a big story that the witness today,
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the person I never knew, I never had anything to do with. It's a totally rigged deal. This whole
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thing is rigged election interference. But this is a person I have no idea until this happened.
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Obviously, I have no idea who she was. And nor could I care less. It's a rigged deal. It's a made up
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fabricated story. Well, they found out today that she got rid of a lot of evidence, as you probably
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noticed. She got rid of massive amounts of evidence. And in addition to that, she had a rifle
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or a gun because she said she bought gun bullets or rifle bullets. And it was the opposite, I guess,
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of her gun. And was it licensed? No, it wasn't licensed. So I guess she's got a difficult problem.
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That's going to be her problem. But she has a gun or a rifle. She didn't really explain which. She
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might have both because she said she bought rifle bullets. So and it's totally unlicensed. So I
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assume that's a problem. But the judge was protecting her. He didn't want to go there. We don't want to go
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there. We don't want to. If that were me, it would be a different story. But with her, the judge is
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totally protective of them. And frankly, anybody in that court would see it. It's frankly, it's a
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disgrace. That's probably one of the reasons our country is going to hell. So the big take today
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was that she deleted and destroyed massive amounts of evidence. And we think that the both trials should
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be thrown out because it's ridiculous. They should be thrown out. And I frankly am the one that suffered
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damages. I should be given money, given damages. And that's where that is. And with that being
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said, I'm heading out to New Hampshire. Thank you very much for being back here.
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Thank you. Thank you very much, everybody. Nice to see you.
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President Trump, President Trump, I think you can say he has no back down right there. That's a
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federal. That's a federal courthouse and not a state courthouse. Quite different. Federal
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Trump, President Trump coming in hot. Of course, he's in route. And we talk about this in the six
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o'clock show. We're going to walk you through it. President Trump's heading to New Hampshire.
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I have a big speech tonight. Of course, we'll be carrying that live. Is Mike Davis the heat
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punch? I want to make sure everybody goes to Article three. Let's get Grace and Mo. Let's
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get Mike Davis's information up there. I'll get Mike on. The second part of that, there is
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another massive case coming up by the Supreme Court to review this Jack Smith disaster that
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could gut half a Jack Smith case. I also don't think they're going to rule on this. I don't
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think they're going to rule on this quickly. I think it may be, you know, they drop it in
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June when they come with this thing. So the Jack Smith thing's coming on unraveled. You heard
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this morning we had Ingrassi on about the Fannie Willis situation. So all of the lawfare seems
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to be crumbling. President Trump just addressed, quite frankly, this fiasco, this defamation
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thing. I mean, it's stupid, a stupid hour. Something else is stupid hour. I've got DeGrasse
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on here. Normally we have DeGrasse is the fighter that comes in and tells us about these redistricting,
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about how the Democrats are always using some going to court and trying to use the courts to
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take away the kind of natural redistricting in these states to try to get an advantage, particularly
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in New York state. But you're on for a different reason. Dan Goldman is, I want to set this up
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right. Dan Goldman has never really worked a day in his life. He's the heir to the Levi
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Gene fortune. I think he's one of the heirs. He's a billionaire or very wealthy. He's taken
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umbrage with Stefanik, Congressman Stefanik, who's been on fire lately about telling, hey,
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the primary is over, getting back to Trump. But she's also, she went on NBC, meet the press,
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Alex, and she just gave, I thought, one of the best and shows you how she can go in the
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lion's den and handle herself. She blew up Kristen Welker and particularly shared some
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comments on J6. Dan Goldman's going to do what in Congress now to penalize her, to hurt her in
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Congress about her comments? Can you get us up to speed on what's going on?
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Yeah. So he's filing a motion to censor, which would be the first step actually to remove,
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at least from Congress. And just like we had done with Adam Schiff. So that's a formal process
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where Elise would have to go to the well and be read, you know, sort of whatever the issues are
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that are being laid against her. We've been fighting back because it's a total sham and
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he's too much of a coward to make it a privilege resolution, which would force a vote because he
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knows he's going to lose. So he's doing a little PR trick, although he says he's going to move to a
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privileged vote if he can gather some Republicans, which will not happen. But we're using this as a
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great opportunity to point out some of all of his issues, the facts that he's unethically traded tens
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of millions of dollars in stocks. He's failed to pay his rent, I think, $185,000. He's taken
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thousands of dollars from Jeffrey Epstein Associates, including one major one. His family foundation has
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donated to terrorist groups such as Hamas, the Pallet of the City and Liberation Front. I mean,
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the guy's, he's a total lunatic. You and I have spoken about him in the past, of course, Steve,
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you know, he was Schiff's lapdog and little sidekick during the first impeachment. Then his parents
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So that's what specifically, a censure is a big deal. They're trying to remove Stefani because they
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understand President Trump is quite fond of her, in particular, the way she fights
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and stands up for him and stands up for the truth. Specifically, what is he citing is the
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problem? You've got to get censured for an action. What is he saying she did that rises to the level
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of censure? I mean, who've been around for what, a couple of hundred years? This is not something
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that happens all the time. It's quite rare. What is he saying? What does she do that rises to this
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level? Well, he cites her support of the, quote, insurrection. He cites all of the great
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judicial complaints that she's taken to fight back against lawfare. He talks about her comments
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on Meet the Press, referring to, you know, certain January 6 prisoners as hostages. Of course,
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when we look at the mistreatment of justice, when you compare violent BLM rioters to nonviolent
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January 6 protesters who were arrested for walking inside. So that the hostage thing is really what's
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obviously also her support and refusal to, you know, her doubling down on the 2020 election being
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stolen, of course, which obviously made national news on Meet the Press, as well as her commitment
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to obviously, Steve, not commit to certifying what could be a dirty election and an illegal election
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in 2024, especially while they try to remember. Exactly. Crazy. Um, so they're, it'd be crazy for
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her to do it. Yeah. Where do people go to find out more information? Where do they go to you to find
00:24:55.800
out more information? We want to get all over this. We're, we're on a string of victories now. So we
00:24:59.720
don't, this is outrageous for at least the phonic to sit there and make comments about J6, talk about
00:25:05.780
2024. She should never commit, um, until we see the facts. Uh, they just want their, this is where
00:25:11.460
they're coming and people got to wise up here. This is where they're coming for president Trump's
00:25:15.280
biggest supporters in the house. You're going to see this all happen next. They're going to start
00:25:19.420
coming for everybody. Uh, where do they go, Alex? Cause we've got to fight this one. Yeah. So we need
00:25:24.720
the support, Steve. We're fighting back. We're funding candidates. This is all about the 2024
00:25:28.960
election. Like you're saying, Steve, of course, they want to try to intimidate Elise and knock her back.
00:25:33.580
If you go to www.defendalease.com, we lay out the case. You can make a grassroots donation to
00:25:39.720
supporter. If you're interested, we really need the posse to come in big time because we're going
00:25:44.580
to try to flip the script on this and go on offense, go after this guy and expose Dan Goldman. So that's
00:25:49.300
what our plan is. So thank you, Steve, but it's been a wild ride. Of course. Uh, this is going to be
00:25:56.600
fantastic. Uh, make one more time. Where do people go? Defendalease.com. Is that where they go?
00:26:01.400
Yeah. www.defendalease.com. And this is great. They put this up to a floor. We'll have floor
00:26:07.060
debate speeches and it's going to be a throwdown. So stay tuned for that.
00:26:11.720
We're always looking for a good fight. We know she is too. Thank you, brother. Appreciate it.
00:26:16.200
Degras is either fighting for fighting the Democrats in these radical redistricting
00:26:20.100
or in this one, having Elise Stefanik's back one. Everybody go over to the site, check it out.
00:26:25.000
We've got to get up to speed. We've got some big victories. This one at the New York Stock
00:26:27.820
Exchange today, a huge victory against natural asset companies. Andy Biggs joins us. Andy,
00:26:32.880
because the president came out and talked, uh, president Trump after the trial today,
00:26:36.700
uh, we don't have time to play the clip, but Johnson's up at the white house. Just tell us
00:26:40.620
what's going on. It's very simple. And you're the best guy because you're a hawk on the deficits
00:26:44.600
and you're one of the leading guys and not the leading guy on the, on the border. It's very simple.
00:26:48.980
You don't close the border. You don't fund the government. Now, I believe that Speaker Johnson
00:26:53.540
came to the sticks and actually said that today. Am I correct in that when he kind of blew off
00:26:57.400
all these other options that are out there? Um, I talked to him post meeting. Uh, I think he did
00:27:04.000
say that I didn't look, didn't see it live. Um, he's, he's basically told me that that's where he is,
00:27:09.980
that he's told that to the president. Um, I've told him that, um, he needs to put that on the,
00:27:18.700
no funding, no border security needs to go on this funding of the entire government,
00:27:24.920
not on a supplemental and not on a supplemental, but he says, Oh, that's where they really want.
00:27:30.040
And I said, no, they don't want to shut down. So, um, he's knows I introduced a bill yesterday
00:27:36.080
that would protect us in case of a shutdown. Um, you know, so all of the military veterans,
00:27:43.560
uh, you know, uh, CBP ice would be taken care of. And I told him, I said, you know, you got two
00:27:50.140
choices, man, cause they're going to go with the Democrats. If you, if you keep that spending the
00:27:55.340
way it is, they're going with the Democrats, you're going to lose on that. You go with the bill the way
00:27:59.680
I told you. Um, yes, we're going to lose some Republicans, but they'll go with the Democrats
00:28:04.240
and you'll lose on that. But the difference is you will have shown the American people that there
00:28:09.640
is a difference between Republicans and Democrats. And if you don't, everybody's going to continue
00:28:14.820
to think it's one, the other, and it's the unit party. It's a swamp. Let's go stand up for what
00:28:20.400
we know is right. And let's fight. So, um, I know he's considering it. He's really concerned,
00:28:26.300
uh, you know, but the bottom line is, uh, we can do this if he leads us, if he leads and gets those
00:28:35.880
people who are kind of squishy to come over with us. Um, I think we can implement my bill and you
00:28:42.920
might see a gut partial government shutdown, but it's, it's just be a, uh, a partial shutdown of
00:28:48.220
about 15, 20% of the government. So FBI, et cetera, they're going to have some problems, but it would
00:28:54.060
also give us the leverage to get enforcement on the border. And if you don't do that, I'm just telling
00:28:59.260
you, Steve, uh, those things, those two things together, if he did, that would be a twofer as a win.
00:29:04.660
And if he doesn't do that, it's going to be a twofer as a loss. And that's, that's just the way
00:29:10.020
it is. Does he understand how worked up people are about the CR about we want it? We don't want
00:29:16.560
to fund any part of the government. I mean, we defer to your judgment on the things about national
00:29:20.660
defense, but people are adamant about, forget the supplemental. There's no money for Ukraine at
00:29:26.080
all, but on the CR to continue into March, no CR, bring them to the table quickly by cutting the money
00:29:32.060
off at midnight on Friday. Does he understand how worked up the Republican base is?
00:29:38.540
I don't think, um, I think there's some people who here who don't understand that. And he may be one.
00:29:45.040
I mean, he thinks that, that the, the American public probably doesn't understand what that means.
00:29:50.840
I think the American public is pretty darn smart. If you're on the left, you understand what it means
00:29:55.720
for you, of course. And if you're conservative, you understand what it means for us as well.
00:29:59.980
And I think that the American people get it. And that's why I think that he needs to lead
00:30:05.160
and the base and will understand, and they will support this move. Whereas if he capitulates on
00:30:11.240
this, I think it's going to be, um, turn out the lights, the party's over. It's going to be a tough
00:30:16.460
road to hoe and, uh, road to hoe in 2024, 2024. I think there'll be a firestorm for his removal.
00:30:24.300
I'll say that now. And I will lead that effort. If he crumbles on this CR and does not shut down
00:30:30.540
the border and gives them money to continue this invasion, all bets are off. Congressman Biggs,
00:30:35.640
how do people follow you? Because you're one of the top guys on both of these issues. Where,
00:30:40.760
You can go to biggs.house.gov and you'll see a new video that I put out just yesterday about
00:30:45.980
the border. I think it's a short one. I think people will find it interesting. And then also you
00:30:50.360
can go to, uh, at RepAndyBiggsAZ, at RepAndyBiggsAZ and the, the, uh, videos available there as
00:30:56.780
well. Keep fighting, uh, Congressman Biggs and keep trying to help, uh, Speaker Johnson.
00:31:03.040
We're all pulling for him, but he's got to, he's got to pull in the right direction.
00:31:11.160
Congressman Andy Biggs, one of the best. Short break. Back in the warm in a moment.
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Graham, Jeff Duncan today, a good guy down in South Carolina announced he's not going to run
00:34:55.400
for reelection. Tell me about the district and tell me how important this is. We got to get
00:34:59.340
someone MAGA in there. Talk to me about what's going on down there.
00:35:03.500
Yeah, Steve, thanks for having me. I mean, we're, we're kind of, it's breaking news on this end as
00:35:07.620
well. So we're kind of gathering as much as we can. I agree with you that this is my home. This is
00:35:13.620
where we film our show is where my kids lay down their heads. They go to school. This is a very
00:35:19.840
important moment here. We cannot lose an opportunity for an America first patriot to get in there and
00:35:27.180
take this now open seat. We can't allow for a limp wristed person that's not going to back Donald
00:35:33.280
Trump. We, we need warriors in Congress. And so a lot of people have asked me, am I thinking about
00:35:39.800
this seat and things like that? I'm not prepared to make a statement on that, on that. I will say
00:35:45.300
this though, Steve, I am never afraid if my country needs me, if my home needs me and if the Lord guides
00:35:52.820
me to put my name in the hat, I'm never afraid to do the fight if I need to be in it. I will say this
00:35:59.700
though, when president Trump wins in 2024, he is going to need MAGA America first warriors beside him.
00:36:07.480
And like I said, this is my district. This is my home. This is where my children lay down their
00:36:13.160
heads to sleep at night. If you think that I'm not going to have a lot to say about who this is to
00:36:19.180
make sure whoever it is that takes that seat is not another America first patriot and not a fake,
00:36:24.740
not a rhino, not a swamp creature. I'm going to have a lot to say about it.
00:36:30.420
Well, Sergeant Graham Allen, you got two combat tours as a combat engineer in Iraq serving your country.
00:36:35.980
You see, we just had Andy Biggs on this fiasco we got on Capitol Hill right now about people not
00:36:41.440
strong enough to stand up with those leaders and patriots in the house and saying, hey, if you
00:36:45.780
don't shut down the border and no happy talk, you don't shut down the border, you got to, we're not
00:36:49.140
going to fund this government. That's the type of person we see. Are those types are, are, are those
00:36:54.180
it's a hugely patriotic district, but do we have people that'll step up to the plate and try to run for
00:37:01.160
Uh, I, I, I have to believe Steve. It was, it's what gets me up every morning. I believe it is
00:37:06.720
what gets you up every morning. I believe it what it will hit what's running Donald Trump every single
00:37:11.880
day. I do not believe that this country is infested with weak spined yellow cowards. I do not believe
00:37:19.340
that now is the time for real America first patriots to stand up. And I believe that that person will put
00:37:27.360
their name in the hat and that person will take over being the vessel for the voice of the people
00:37:32.680
in this district. And a lot of people in Congress need to remember that that's actually their job.
00:37:39.260
Uh, Graham Allen, what's a podcast, social media, how do people start to follow you?
00:37:44.200
Uh, yeah. So we do dear America on rumble every morning, Monday through Thursday,
00:37:48.800
9 a.m. Eastern time, or you can just find me everywhere. Uh, Graham Allen
00:37:52.300
Sergeant, thank you very much for joining us. We'll watch that one closely. Uh,
00:37:58.320
Jeff Duncan, that's a fantastic district down there. So we'll watch that one closely. Thank
00:38:02.100
you, sir. Thanks, Steve. Have you back on with updates. Also Colorado five out there in Colorado
00:38:09.360
Springs, a hard to find a better congressional district in the country, Colorado five, the
00:38:14.600
existing congressman been there a long time, stepped down, hopefully got some America first
00:38:19.760
Patriots to step up. Frank Gaffney, uh, great news, amazing news. Um, a victory may be temporary,
00:38:26.880
but it looks like at least this time it's pretty permanent, at least for now. Tell the audience
00:38:30.980
what happened on natural asset companies just a little while ago. Well, Steve, just a segue from
00:38:37.940
what Mike Davis was talking about in terms of, um, rogue administrative state had what happened today
00:38:48.000
not happened. Had the war room posse not stepped up among others, including our friend Marlo Oaks,
00:38:57.840
from whom we'll be hearing momentarily, we would have had the United States government's bureaucracies
00:39:04.720
transferring public lands, waters, air, and private land, by the way, to unaccountable
00:39:15.640
investment vehicles called natural asset companies that would have had as their mission, ensuring
00:39:23.960
there was no productive use made of those natural resources. A transformation of our country,
00:39:31.580
a fundamental transformation, I think Barack Obama would have called it. And indeed, I suspect that he
00:39:36.260
had his hand in all of this along with, by the way, the United Nations, the World Economic Forum,
00:39:40.840
um, the, uh, the Chinese Communist Party, not least. And what happened today, providentially,
00:39:49.400
and thanks, again, in no small measure to what you helped start and keep going, namely,
00:40:00.280
a broad-based protest, opposition, and denunciation of the idea that all of this would have been done
00:40:08.760
basically in the dark of night through the Securities and Exchange Commission issuing a rule that was
00:40:14.920
proposed by the New York Stock Exchange. Today, the New York Stock Exchange pulled the rule.
00:40:24.020
Praise God. Here's the thing. This is what they can do to make their own laws. When Frank first pitched
00:40:29.640
me on this and talked to me about it, I said, Frank, you've lost your mind. It's impossible to do that.
00:40:33.600
And then it got the documents. I go, this is unbelievable. I want to bring in Marlo,
00:40:37.200
because Frank, the War Room platform does what it does. But here's what I love about what just
00:40:41.980
happened here. And this is a guide to us for the future. This was people like Marlo Oakes and other
00:40:47.820
leaders stepping up and, uh, and Byfeld, Margaret Byfeld, organizing state attorney generals and state
00:40:54.940
treasurers of the red states, if you have to, to organize and to unite and to fight this. Marlo,
00:41:02.180
tell us how you guys did it, because this is the way forward. We, and they will back down. I keep
00:41:08.440
telling everybody, if you expose them and, and, and you're going to get some crazy ideas coming your
00:41:13.280
way, because when Frank mentioned this, I said, this is insanity. This is taking all the public and
00:41:18.020
private lands in the country and giving them over to the worst guys in the universe. Marlo, how did you
00:41:22.640
do it? How did you organize everybody? Well, you know, it's crazy that state treasurers are suddenly
00:41:28.080
thrown into the limelight here. A state treasurer is, is typically operating in the capital markets
00:41:33.500
because the capital markets and our business climate has been so politicized. Uh, state
00:41:39.320
treasurers have to stand up. Uh, we're at the crossroads of politics and capital markets, and,
00:41:44.420
and there's a full on assault against our economic freedoms. And so when I heard about this idea,
00:41:49.860
I said, we have got to get this out nationally. People have got to understand what's going on so
00:41:55.220
that the grassroots, uh, like folks who are, uh, listening to this program and other programs
00:42:00.520
can push back from the grassroots. And then, uh, I need to speak to other, uh, financial officers
00:42:06.540
across the country. And of course, get the attorneys general, it was really just, uh, hitting all
00:42:12.320
alarm bells that I could. Um, and, and thank heavens, uh, for Frank Gaffney and, and folks like, uh,
00:42:19.580
you, Steve, that, that picked up on it and, and started raising the alarms. I mean, this is,
00:42:25.020
this is what it's going to take to fight back on some of this stuff that really is tried to,
00:42:30.040
they try to push it, uh, under cover of night and, and, and hope that they get away with it.
00:42:36.340
I, uh, you've hit on something very important. It's one of the things that we try to do in the
00:42:39.800
show. You know, this is a working class, middle class audience. And, uh, what we do all the time
00:42:46.080
is talk about the capital markets because the capital markets are really where votes every day
00:42:51.160
on policy, not every four years or every two years in the capital markets, the money and power,
00:42:57.340
the intersection of money power, and the money is driven by the capital markets is what puts the
00:43:02.700
country where it is today. You must understand macroeconomics. You must understand capital markets
00:43:07.140
if you want to affect policy in the grassroots of taking of that. Just give me a minute on your
00:43:13.500
thoughts about the, the, the, the politicization of capital markets, because this is the essence,
00:43:18.480
I think, of what makes war room different. Yeah, it is an incredibly important issue because
00:43:24.940
our economic freedoms are the foundation of all other freedoms. If we don't have economic freedom,
00:43:29.500
we don't have any other freedom. And so I'm committed to, uh, to protecting those economic
00:43:35.360
freedoms and our capital markets are really where that begins. And we've seen with, uh, efforts like
00:43:40.640
ESG, environmental social governance, uh, this is, this is nothing more than an effort to replace our
00:43:46.640
capitalist system with some other system and, and destroy the economic freedoms that we all enjoy.
00:43:51.640
And it's, it's, it's clothed in, in, and beautiful sounding clothing and people latch onto a lot of the
00:43:57.840
words, but they don't understand what, uh, the threat is to our economic freedoms. And so this is, uh,
00:44:04.840
natural asset companies are, are along the same lines. And we're seeing, uh, efforts to destroy
00:44:11.820
America in so many different ways. And, and our free market system is, is one of the top, uh, that
00:44:18.340
is under attack right now. And we have to protect it.
00:44:22.820
Steve, there's one of the point, get you. Yeah, go ahead. Jump in. Sure.
00:44:26.820
Just real quick. The, the, the thing that is also going on with these capital markets is, as this
00:44:33.100
program and our committee on the present danger of China have been talking about endlessly is
00:44:36.860
our money is being used by those markets and pension funds and mutual funds and so on to
00:44:42.700
finance our mortal enemy, the Chinese communist party. And by the way, they were likely to be
00:44:48.420
among the people who would move that money back into natural asset companies so they can control our
00:44:54.260
resources. I mean, this is madness, but that's what BlackRock, Larry Fink, one of our, you know,
00:44:59.500
nemeses has been all about. And they nearly got away with this, Steve, and they may yet,
00:45:05.280
they'll be back. You can bet there's too much money sloshing around in all of us,
00:45:09.400
but we've got them now. One thing I think back on their heels. Thank God.
00:45:14.720
But, but here's the other thing that's important. We have treasurers like Marlo Oakes and others
00:45:19.960
that are on now on watch on the ramparts and sitting there going, because he's right. ESG.
00:45:25.980
You've had some radical ideas about how to change our system. And here's the thing. They won't come
00:45:31.860
and debate it. If you come and debate it and you win the debate, you know, then go with God. But
00:45:36.460
they're trying to do all of this under the dark at night because they understand they can't win the
00:45:40.060
argument. And once they're exposed, they'll run away. Marlo, where do people go to find out more
00:45:44.860
about you and find out more about this effort, sir?
00:45:47.780
Yeah, treasurer.utah.gov. And, and I've got my page there. And I also have Marlo Oakes.com
00:45:55.920
where more information, particularly on ESG, but we'll have information on natural asset companies.
00:46:01.980
It's very important that people continue to watch for this because when you have a big agenda like
00:46:07.360
this, it's not just going to go away because they hit a speed bump. And so we've got to be aware and,
00:46:16.080
One hundred percent. Marlo Oakes. Frank, where do they go for you and the Committee on the
00:46:21.760
Thank you. Well, I'm really proud of our team. Committee on the Present Danger, of course,
00:46:26.440
is presentdangerchina.org. And I really want to salute all of our friends who pulled together
00:46:31.960
at sovereigntycoalition.org. That was where people could go with a click of a mouse and really weigh
00:46:37.480
in. And the posse did handsomely. And we're so grateful to them. You're right, Steve, this is a
00:46:42.620
template for what we're going to need to do going forward. And we look forward to working with you
00:46:46.100
all on that. And let me just say, we do have a splendid candidate for Colorado Five as well.
00:46:53.940
Fantastic. Look forward to, to having her on. Excellent.
00:46:59.060
Colorado Five, one of the best. Frank, thank you.
00:47:02.700
Marlo and the team united the AGs, the Treasurers. Wall Street backed off. The New York Stock Exchange
00:47:08.220
backed off from taking the natural resources, natural assets of your country.
00:47:14.960
Unbelievable. Short break. Back in the warm in a moment.
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Okay, just so Schumer just announced that Biden wants to put forward the supplemental package
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by next week. This is the most sophisticated audience in all media. You've had a bigger impact
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than any audience ever because you guys are activists and you'll man the phone, just send
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the emails, you'll get up on people's grill and you won't back down. Just remember what's going on
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here. They want to, so with a $7 trillion budget of that, I don't know, a trillion six of discretionary,
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they, and they always want to show you the lower numbers or spend the lower numbers, but don't be
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spun. We are now structurally in a death spiral unless we pull out of it. It is a death spiral
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because there's $2 trillion when you count up the cash and you count up really the, you know,
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the kind of old fashioned way. It's $2 trillion in a structural and the, um, the tax revenues keep
00:49:53.420
dropping. That's one of the reasons the budget deficit is because they get lacking the spending
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and the tax revenue is not there. So it doesn't offset. Um, I think it's both JP Morgan and Goldman
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Sachs, I think took major hits to revenues today because there's not enough capital markets
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transactions. There's not enough transactions because the economy is slowing. They can sit there
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and all the happy talk they want and all this infusion of Keynesian stimulus. Another issue we're
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going to get into the child, child tax credit and the, um, in the, uh, in these cuts, offsetting cuts
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they want to do for the small business guys. Look, maybe in, in theoretically you could argue for both
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of those, but right now you can't have another, are you nuts? Another Keynesian stimulus, which is the
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child, child tax credit. And how are you going to offset the tax cuts you do to the small businesses?
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I understand small businesses need help, need assistance, but we got to start taking this
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seriously. We'll break that all down. That's another thing that's just got to be killed right
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now. It's either crisis or not a crisis. And we have a crisis on spending. That's the one Johnson
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stands up and goes, you know, I got, I got a $16 billion. Dude, what are you talking about?
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16, and I know you got to start somewhere, but you're telling me about the IRS. You pumped
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off 10 billion here and you get took 6 billion back from COVID. We got to start having massive
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cuts. Now, what they're going to try to do is get your eye on the supplemental for the border.
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Leave that aside. That's not coming to the, the, the, and with $7 trillion, a trillion dollars in the
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defense budget, they got to come up right away with a hundred billion dollars supplemental. It's all
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just to cover, uh, the 60 to 80 they want to send to, uh, Ukraine and Ukraine. I say you pick
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the scab there. It's going to get pretty ugly. You know why? Because there's been some nefarious
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activities over there, folks. This is bribe money right now because Ukrainian oligarchs
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and these guys start coming forward and telling you what they know. There are going to be some
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fingers pointed at some folks here in the United States of America. You know it. The thing makes
00:51:52.420
no sense. Otherwise the fight's not even there anymore. All you're doing is sending people
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the charnel house to be slaughtered. Don't ask me, ask the people in Ukraine, a military
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age that don't want to go. They're trying to scramble out of the country or having their
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parents, uh, paid it so they don't go. They know what's going on. Go to Birchgold right
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now. Get the end of the dollar empire. You have to understand that this thing is picking
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up momentum is the de-dollarization movement throughout the rest of the world. They want
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to get off the dollar. That's the prime reserve currency. Why? The purchasing power of the
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dollars down 17 to 20% since Biden took over. That's one of the causes of, of, of people
00:52:27.560
having, you know, of, of tough lives of the credit card debt exploding. People can't make
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it. They got to use the credit card to bridge how they get to the end of the month. And then
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they pay off as little as possible. It's one of the guys we have the credit card debt people
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network USA. Grace and Moe put it up. But with Johnson, and that's why 202-225-3121, and
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you're having a big impact. You're having an impact because you're making your individual
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congressman go, hey, dude, you're on report right now. Don't talk to supplemental. I'm talking
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about the major deal on the next 48 hours. We're not having any more CRs. Shut the government
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down on Friday night at midnight, and then let's get around a table and figure it out.
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But then we've got the leverage. The American people support this. The thing's out of control
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now. And all they're doing is giving you lip service. Everything on MSNBC and CNN is all,
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well, you know, they're draconian, HR2. HR2, you want draconian? We can give you draconian.
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That's not it. It's strong. It's good. But they're saying, hey, you guys are the worst
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people in the world. You're bad people. You're racist. You're xenophobes. No, that's
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not the case at all. And they know it. African Americans do not support this. Hispanic American
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citizens do not support it. They want to give these people work permits. And if they've
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taken anything out, it's because Rosemary Jinks had the courage to come forward, and this
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audience had the courage to go to Langford. You cannot approve what's going on. And Johnson,
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you cannot stop talking about the supplemental. Focus on the main event. The main event is what's
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happening this week. We don't want to hear that you need more time. You've had plenty of time.
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You shouldn't have taken three weeks off. First of all, you shouldn't have taken six weeks. I know
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this wasn't you. It was the previous management. But six weeks from August to September, another
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three weeks at Christmas, the four, three days with a snow day, you're just burning daylight. And now
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it's time to come to the prayer altar and say, no, boom, we're not going to do it anymore.
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We're not going to do it anymore. And I hate to say it. If you go along with the CR and twist arms
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for the CR, then, hey, then let's just go and do another. And they say, we can't waste time and
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speaking. No, this is all proving a point. It's making these things and putting up top to say,
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hey, this is a crisis. And if you don't deal with this, we're just not going to continue to get
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tapped along. We're just not going to continue to get tapped along. Because that's what's going
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