Episode 3363： The Rebels In Congress
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Liz Jordan's site crashed and now the War Room Posse is getting a discount on all of the items they were going to have on TV, including blankets, pillows, and bedding. Plus, a new segment from the Warroom Posse featuring Robin Voss.
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Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people.
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Here's one time I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.
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I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.
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And where do people like that go to share the big lie?
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I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
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Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
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If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
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It's Friday, 2 February, the year of our Lord, 2024.
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Welcome back for the second hour of the morning show.
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Good news report, the site, Liz, your site has crashed because of the traffic.
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By the way, the site the other day, the guy came on crash too.
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So complicitclergy.com, and they'll send you hopefully to a backup site.
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It's crashing, but make sure you get there today, see what the Catholics are doing.
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The traditional Catholics are doing to end this really horrible, horrible situation with the Catholic Church,
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where Catholic Charities is one of the biggest supporters of sex trafficking, drug trafficking, working with the cartels, all of it,
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under the name of Catholics throughout this country.
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And Liz Jordan and these guys have an alternative that you can go do right now.
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Mike Lindell, a couple of people have been all over me about these specials that you're giving the War Room Posse because Fox has cut you off.
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But the one special we were doing on Fox was going to be the MyPillow 2.0 at $39.98 for the Queen.
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We're taking an extra $10 off for the War Room Posse, $29.98.
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And then there it is right there at the War Room Posse, the exclusive for the War Room Posse.
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All the blankets are here, and we still have some of the flannel sheets.
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You get all the free, all the stuff that's supposed to be for the Fox guys you get because Fox has blocked him.
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One of the reasons Fox has blocked you, and you're going to be with me on the Saturday show.
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I thought Robin Voss was a fighter up there in Wisconsin.
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You're going to be part of something that I guess disagrees with that?
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We're going to make it all possible so I can get away from my pill, get out there and fight for our country.
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I completely tell the country how bad they are.
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Robin Voss is Speaker of the House of Wisconsin.
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He's done more to block our election, to secure our elections than anyone in this country and equal to Rasenberger.
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But he has blocked, when he did his big investigation for Gabelman, he stopped that.
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Then the Wisconsin Supreme Court ruled that there was fraud and he still did nothing.
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Megan Wolf was getting ousted and he stopped that from happening.
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And where do people go to find out more about it?
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We're having this huge rally on Sunday in Wisconsin.
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I've heard it's been going on for about a month now.
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And now it all comes to a head when I speak there.
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And I've got plenty to say about Robin Voss on Sunday, let me tell you.
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I'm just hearing the CPAC site crashed because of the traffic from the war room.
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But where do they go for the Robin Voss of it all?
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We're going to have everything posted there for the Robin Voss on Sunday.
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Remember, you go to support MyPillow, so you can free up Lyndale to go around the country
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Brad, you've got some, I want to go through your charts.
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Also, this Professor Nye at Harvard, the guy that, look, he hates MAGA.
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He wrote this unctuous article about what America, everything he said about American greatness
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depends upon the deplorables, depends upon MAGA, depends upon the working class in this nation.
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And he had the audacity then to say the greatest threat to the United States of America.
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He put the greatest threat to the United States of America is the populist nationalist movement.
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And it's a greater threat to the United States than the Chinese Communist Party.
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Well, the American people know, right, that tax package that we've been talking about,
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CBO has us growing at one and a half percent for the next 20 years.
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The elites always pose and project their media explanations in a way that you cannot understand
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And their real lived experience in the first chart, Denver, if you want to pull up, the
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64 percent of Americans are living paycheck to paycheck.
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Doesn't matter what group you're in across Democrats, Republicans, liberals, conservatives,
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64 percent of Americans are living paycheck to paycheck.
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Interesting, more than half of those in the wealthiest income bracket earning more than
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$75,000 and, interestingly, the investor class.
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Folks, over $75,000 and investors are having a hard time living month to month.
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Next chart, this one's probably more staggering and makes your heart go out to the middle class
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When you look at that chart, that top red bar that goes way off to the right, 24 percent
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Then the next bar down, less than a thousand bucks is another 20 percent.
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So you got 24 plus 20, 44 percent of fellow Americans have less than a thousand bucks in
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Half a thousand dollars roughly two-thirds of the nation living paycheck to paycheck.
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In addition, almost 50 percent of the nation can't put their hands on a thousand dollars
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You start crying and you take him to the emergency room, et cetera, and this, this is
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And this is what the politicians got to get straight.
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straight, right? You've been making a really important point that needs to be drilled through
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this Keynesian economics thing right now. Right now is a time where, oh, we got 3% or 4% economic
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growth, okay? If that's what the establishment and globalists are telling us, you don't need
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any more Keynesian infusions of cash. We don't need the government to do anything. We need the
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government to get out of our lives. The American people are perfectly capable of working hard and
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running their own business. And if they're not, well, sorry, that's the way the thing needs to be
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set up. And we got to get back to the old days where you just work for a living, get the government
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out of our face, et cetera. Yeah. This goes back to the Jason Smith tax bill. On macroeconomics 101,
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if you, but remember, the 3.8% growth is phony too, because that's only driven by government
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spending. Right. Okay. It's not real economic growth. It's not real growth. But if, in looking
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at that number, the last thing you would do is pass a welfare expansion, particularly for illegal
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aliens that could cost one, that could add $1.5 trillion to the deficit. That's just throwing
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fuel onto the fire of, of interest rates and of making the debt higher to refinance, of making those
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folks that, remember the ones living the paycheck to paycheck, let me give you the bad news about them.
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Yeah. They're gapping it by a credit card. This is why we have 1.2 to $1.5 trillion of credit card
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debt. 20% of that's non-performing. 20% of it's not performing because people have to gap it. And if
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you talk to Gen Z, you talk to the millennials, people that are getting bonuses, where they spend
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their bonus at the end of the year to pay down the credit card as much as they can to start the whole
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cycle over again. And that's why they're on the wheel. They have no chance for capital formation,
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no chance to buy a home, no chance to accumulate anything. This you're in a, you're, this is,
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you're in a doom loop. And by the continued, the massive spending just increases. Steve Schwartzman
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is no friend of MAGA. Steve Schwartzman is a globalist. And he just came out today and said,
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we can't continue to do this. The, the, the structural $2 trillion deficit is the central problem
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that Congress must address. And if Johnson's going to sit there and lie to people and bring,
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and suspend the rules because he can't get the bill to the floor unless he suspends it. And that
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means he needs two thirds. He needs all Democrat votes to pass a welfare expansion that could add
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another trillion to the deficit. At the very moment, we have to be cutting the deficit. And now we're
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hearing he's going to bring the Israeli, which is only $14 billion, but it's symbolic. You have to
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offset that. It can't be clean. And the, and the Ukraine has to be zero. Now they're trying to say,
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oh, well, we're not going to pay for the pension funds and we're not going to pay for the, the
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healthcare because Bannon and the war room are all over that. They added us on that. So we're just
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going to pay for the ammo. We're just going to pay for the, the weapons. And that's really all
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going to Huntsville, Alabama, Alabama. No, we're tired of killing Ukrainians. You got a coup going
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over there. The top general is going to get fired. He says, I'm not going anywhere. No money for
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Ukraine. Only money to Israel if it's offset, right? No money for this border, uh, fiasco. The,
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the, the, this bill that is nothing, nothing more than an amnesty, uh, codification. And certainly
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Johnson's, uh, Smith's tax thing has to die in the Senate. Dave Brett. Yeah, I had a chart I was
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going to put up last week. I go Google the, uh, you know, C plus I plus G plus net exports back in
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1960. You'll find no programs. And we had economic growth and productivity somehow without the
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government and the poor were doing better and the jobs were doing better. And we had less people in
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poverty and African-Americans and Hispanics were making income improvements. And then comes the
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government sector grown like crazy. Our government sector, as I said last week, is bigger than China's
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government sector, right? We're 18% of GDP. China is a communist totalitarian regime. Their government
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sector is 14% and they control everything in China with that 14%. So the, the, the swamp has proven
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they're incapable of, of incentivizing manufacturing. Every time they say that it's a gift to the
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magnificent seven, I, you know, you ought to have, have to have metal in your, in your product to call
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it manufacturing. If you're going to do legislation, but the best legislation is to get rid of the
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government sector. Right. Right. Right. Take it down. Put, put some tariffs up. We'll let one last
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thing before you go, you talk about meta Josh Hawley made and Zuckerberg's dumb enough. He hasn't
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been, this is what a robot is. He says, do you want to apologize? And the idiot stands up and
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apologizes to the people that they destroyed the families with social media on, on meta, right on
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Facebook. Then today he announces they have a dividend and he's getting $700 million personally
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in the dividend. Just one more time before we go. What's the meta in this, in this quote unquote
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tax bill for mom and pops for the people that own the, the laundry and the people that, you know,
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have the little, uh, uh, uh, uh, bodega and all the mom and pops talk to me about the tech, what's
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going to happen to meta? Cause they've got the guys all over Jim Jordan and this is McCarthy
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Sequoia capital. Just give me the tax rate. That's going to happen to meta in this deal.
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Yep. Tens of billions in profits. Uh, that's extra icing on top of everything. Uh, and their
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effective tax tax rate goes from 25% down to negative 2%. Just call it zero. So the effective
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tax rate of Zuckerberg making tens of billions, getting hundreds of millions personally. Uh,
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and he's getting the benefits in these tax packages. Cause that's the way they're written,
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right? They're just written to incentivize tax cuts across the board or whatever, but the rich
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get all the, get all the benefits, the poor get nothing.
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Uh, Brett, where do people go? All the political opinions, your own, where do people go to get
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your charts, sir? Yep. By just Brad economics on getter. I just want to give a call out to some
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Okay, as you know in the war room, we have the war room actual personnel and folks, we monitor
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that Joe Biden actually loves Morning Mika even more than the war room. So we monitor those. We
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also monitor BBC. I personally always have Bloomberg TV on probably 24-7. The only time I don't have it
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on is when David Rubenstein, the corrupt head of Carlisle, does his two hours or hour interviews.
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I cut it off for that. But the reason I have it, it's the best for looking at markets and real-time
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information and real-time data. And it's, you know, hat tip. I'm no fan of Bloomberg. A hat tip
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to him coming off the terminals to put, I think, really the best TV networks up there. Of course,
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we're all over Bloomberg as a news service. I want to bring in now Josh Green. Josh Green is a senior,
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I guess I don't know if you're editor or reporter, but you've done, your claim to fame is that you
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are probably the one writer in the business area that's followed the politics of the populist right,
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the rise of the populist right, and the populist left. You did it first with a book called
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Devil's Bargain, which really was preceded with many interviews you did with me when I was running
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Breitbart. In fact, many of those in the Breitbart embassy. Then you did a book after Trump won,
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and you talked about the entire rise of the populist right. Then the last couple of years,
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you've spent, you've got a new book out, you went back and did the exact same thing to the populist
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left. So here's the question to start off with. Why is it, and I've seen some of your interviews,
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why is it that this is obviously the most important combined political, you know, process or event or
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dynamic in modern America? And really nobody covers it and stuff to yell at it and say how horrible it is.
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And even when I see the interviews done with you, most people, it's like you're speaking a foreign
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language. And this has nothing to do with conservative versus liberal because you've done it on the
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populist right, and then you're doing the populist left, and they don't even understand what you're
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talking about on the populist left. What is it about the modern media infrastructure that they can't
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understand and look at exactly what is happening in the United States, which is there's a populist
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revolt. Happens to be on the right with Trump, happens to be on the left with a kind of a gaggle
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of people. They don't have a Trump-like figure yet, but it's clearly the dynamic that's driving
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things, including Biden, the biggest globalist in the world, trying to be Joe from Scranton. Josh Green.
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You know, I think in my experience, mainstream media tends to focus on personalities. That's
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how they cover politics. It's a little easier. You don't have to delve into the policy as much.
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You don't have to have, you know, a knowledge of the broader sweep of history. But to me,
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I mean, the reason I wrote Devil's Bargain on the rise of Trump and you and the MAGA movement
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was because there was something much deeper going on. It was clear in all my reporting than just the
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rise of a popular presidential personality. And so I wanted to tell that story between hard covers.
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And, you know, to my mind, an equal and as important phenomenon has happened on the left.
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And that's why my new book, The Rebels, is on the rise of basically the mirror image of Trump's
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right-wing populism. It's the story of the rise of left populism since the 2008 financial crisis,
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which I think was the tectonic political event in my adult lifetime, definitely helped give rise to
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Trump. But it also produced a backlash on the left and a whole crowd of, you know, what you might call
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left deplorables who decided they were sick of a Wall Street-centric Democratic Party and they were
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going to rise up and elect a different breed of politicians that would put pressure on them from
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Why has it seemed like the Democratic Party, though? Let's go. I want to go back because
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the and I keep calling out all the time. Bernie Sanders, who's central to your book, is one of
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these leaders of the populist left, had two shots at taking on the classic, the classic globalist
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in the Clinton mafia, the Clinton apparatus. And in fact, as you know, I was brought into the Trump
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campaign in August of 2016, not because I knew anything about running campaigns, but I was an
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expert in taking on the Clintons over at Breitbart. Why then did the populist left under Bernie and the
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Bernie bros fail to take the fight to the Clintons?
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I think in 2015, and I tell this story in the new book, that Bernie Sanders initially wasn't going to
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run. He thought Elizabeth Warren was going to run because she was the one with all the juice in
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Democratic circles in 2014-2015. There were two draft movements to pull her in. I remember talking to
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you at the time, and you had a little bit of nervousness about the rise of a left populist
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and what that might do for Democrats. But Warren decided not to run. So Bernie got in initially as
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a message, a message, kind of a factional candidate to try and push Democrats to the left. I don't think
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that he understood the movement that he was going to be able to generate or the political threat that
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he was going to pose to Hillary Clinton. So it wasn't until about halfway through the 2016 Democratic
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primaries, once Sanders caught fire, once this idea of left-wing populism caught fire among a lot of
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especially younger and blue-collar voters, that Sanders even understood he had a chance. And we all know
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what happened at that point. The entire establishment of the Democratic Party circled the wagons around
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Hillary Clinton, who everyone knew was a flawed candidate, and did just enough to keep Bernie
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How was it then, in your estimate, that Trump, who's not a politician, understood the energy of this
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new politics and could speak its language and harness that on the right, yet Bernie, who had been part of
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all these kind of left-wing movements and all that, not understand what he had early on?
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Yeah, it's a good question. I mean, I think, you know, I tell the deep history in The Rebels, my new
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book, about how it was that the Democratic Party first fell under the sway of Wall Street in the 1980s
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and in the 1990s, and how that ultimately sort of lit a long fuse that blew up the powder keg in 2008 of
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the global economy and created this anger and this backlash, not just on the right, but also on the
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left. I think the secret to Trump's success isn't really much of a secret at all. I mean, he embodied
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that backlash anger at the establishment, at Wall Street, at the politicians who were responsible for a lot
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of this better than anybody else on the right or the left. I think part of the reason Bernie didn't
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take off quite to the same extent was he had been around for years and years saying essentially the
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same thing and hadn't gotten a lot of attention. I mean, I remember covering him when he was in
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Congress, and we viewed him as a crank and a gadfly, a fun guy to talk to, didn't have a contingent in
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Congress. A lot of times you'd see a vote that was like 400 to 1, Bernie be that one guy. I don't think
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people appreciated in real time until Bernie started drawing stadium crowns, the real power
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of that populist message on the left. And it just wasn't quite enough in 2016 to derail the Clinton
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juggernaut, which had been building up literally for years. You know, Clinton was expecting a
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coronation and she didn't end up getting it. And the idea, you know, the fact that it was even as
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close as it was that Bernie was able to put together this movement that really threatened her
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and weakened her was something that nobody saw coming and didn't appreciate at the time. I mean,
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I remember talking to you, talking to other people on the populist right, who said, you know, Trump's got
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a lot of that same populist Bernie energy. I remember going to Trump rallies and saying, hey, who's your
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second choice? And it would be Bernie. And I remember going to Bernie rallies and talking to guys in, you know,
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Michigan and Wisconsin. I said, who's your second choice? And it was Trump. It wasn't Hillary Clinton.
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So I think the Democrats kind of missed, missed the boat twice. First on, on when Bernie first came
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around and second, once Clinton was a nominee, they thought the populist threat was behind them
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and that she would traipse to the presidency. And we all know that didn't happen. And a lot of the
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story that I tell in the book, I think the historical significance of Warren and Bernie,
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and to a lesser extent AOC, is that they really carried that populist mantle and have shifted the
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direction of the Democratic Party away from that Wall Street, you know, globalist image that they
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had in the 2000s and towards something that overlaps at least to a decent degree on economics with
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Trumpism, whether it's, you know, Biden keeping the steel tariffs in place or focus on union jobs and
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reshoring manufacturing jobs, that sort of thing. You can see the populist change in the Democratic
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Party. And it's because of these three characters.
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Let me let me go back to I want to go back to, though, how to originate it, how did it because
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I come from a Democratic family. Now, we left during the Vietnam War. And then particularly
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with President Reagan, we were classic Reagan Democrats. But I want to go back to the 1990s.
00:26:04.720
You said 80s and 90s. I think it's really the 90s. How did the Democratic Party leave a being a party
00:26:09.920
of the working class, which now the Trump movement is in the Republican Party?
00:26:13.820
Yeah. How did that start? How did it start and how did it culminate in 2008?
00:26:19.100
You know, the story I tell in the book, the kind of history, the rise of the Wall Street Democrats,
00:26:23.340
it begins in the late 70s when labor used to be the money in the muscle behind the Democratic Party
00:26:29.380
and labor was in decline. Ronald Reagan got elected in 1980, obviously an attractive, telegenic guy.
00:26:36.500
It became clear to Democrats, to everybody, that American politics was entering a new age where
00:26:43.340
politics was going to be fought on TV. You know, to do that cost a lot of money that Democrats didn't
00:26:48.700
have. So initially, as I write about in the book, the Democratic contact with Wall Street was
00:26:56.500
was limited to fundraising. They knew we could we can kind of tap into this war chest. We can start
00:27:02.100
pumping some of this Wall Street money into the party. And that's all it'll take. That'll get us
00:27:06.340
back on our feet. But as you know, what happened over the years was those fundraisers wound up moving
00:27:11.700
into positions in government. And so you have people like Robert Rubin at Goldman Sachs, who began as,
00:27:18.020
I think, a Mondale fundraiser and a fundraiser for the DCCC. You fast forward to the Clinton
00:27:23.300
administration in the 90s and suddenly he's the leading economic adviser. So I think the nature of
00:27:28.340
the party and who was appealing to change because of the type of person that was staffing Democratic
00:27:35.300
administrations, you know, whether you call it, you know, New Democrats or Third Way or Wall Street
00:27:39.700
Democrats or whatever. It took a very kind of market forward approach to achieving or trying to
00:27:47.620
achieve what had traditionally been liberal Democratic goals. But it deregulated so much
00:27:52.260
and handed so much power to Wall Street that they basically went crazy. And you saw the effects of
00:27:57.620
what that led to in 2008 and 2009 on both sides. You know, the kind of Jeb Bush wing of the Republican
00:28:04.260
Party was rejected and the Clinton wing was ultimately rejected. Hang on for one second. Josh Green from
00:28:12.740
Bloomberg joins us. The new book is The Rebels. It's kind of the continuation of the story.
00:28:17.460
The rise of populism in this country. Devil's bargain was the rise of the populist right.
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Josh Green from Bloomberg joins us. He's the chronicler of the rise of President Trump,
00:30:12.180
the MAGA movement, the deplorables, the populist right and devil's bargain. Now he's done the same
00:30:16.500
for the for the left in the rebels. And we're going to talk about where that's left us with Biden and going
00:30:24.060
forward in a moment. But is there anything from that time before 2008 that strikes you as that
00:30:30.500
defining moment where you can see that the Democratic Party has kind of shifted from the
00:30:34.500
the Bannon working class Irish to to be owned and controlled by Wall Street?
00:30:40.980
I mean, to me, the moment that's always stood out was early in Bill Clinton's administration.
00:30:46.340
You know, James Carville is the sort of Bannon of that race that that gets Clinton elected and
00:30:50.980
Clinton had run on a middle class stimulus program and he gets into office and Clinton meets with Alan
00:30:57.140
Greenspan who tells him, no, no, no, we're not going to do that. You know, we're going to we're
00:31:01.060
going to we're going to worry about the bond traders and you're going to have to sacrifice
00:31:05.620
that stimulus. And to me, you know, Carville had that famous line. He said, I used to think
00:31:09.700
when I was a kid that if I were ever reincarnated, I'd want to come back as Babe Ruth or something like
00:31:14.660
that. Now I know that I want to come back as a bond trader because that's who has all the power
00:31:21.220
in American politics and in the American economy. And the point was Carville's point was was that
00:31:27.300
the Democratic Party elected on a promise to raise up the middle class had instead done Wall Street's
00:31:34.180
bidding in a way that cost him the middle class promises that he'd made. I mean, to me, that was
00:31:39.700
one of the early signs of where the party was heading. And, you know, Clinton had president is
00:31:46.500
presidency. You had this growth in GDP, but you also had him do things like remove Glass-Steagall,
00:31:54.180
separating inverse investment from commercial banking, all kinds of financial deregulation
00:31:59.700
that he thought was going to supercharge the American economy instead led to the financial
00:32:04.500
crisis in 08. And you can kind of project from that moment forward and see the way that the Democratic
00:32:11.060
Party subordinated the interests of workers in the working class in order to go
00:32:16.420
in this new direction. And I think a lot of our politics over the last 15 years is a backlash
00:32:22.740
to that shift, both on the left and on the right. You know, the guy, the guy who engineered the first
00:32:29.140
Wall Street bailout was George W. Bush. He was still president when Lehman Brothers crashed and all of
00:32:34.900
that tarp bailout money went to the guys on Wall Street instead of the people on the middle class.
00:32:39.940
I think it took a decade for people in both parties, President Trump and President Biden,
00:32:44.740
to understand that there needed to be a course correction so that the next time we had a big
00:32:48.740
crash in the economy like we did after COVID, the response would be different and it would be more
00:32:56.980
Let's, I want to go to that. You've got Trump understands his underlying forces and he can
00:33:01.620
communicate as a great communicator and really connect, you know, connect with working class people.
00:33:07.940
Biden in the book, Biden is a history. I don't think you could pick a bigger globalist. He represents
00:33:14.500
Delaware, which is the credit card companies in the financial system. He is a globalist on foreign
00:33:19.940
affairs. He prides himself in that. He is the epitome of really, uh, uh, Obama runs as an anti-war
00:33:28.500
populist on the left and beats Hillary Clinton. He's put as a babysitter. How does a, how does a
00:33:33.940
globalist then thwart these forces of populism in the democratic party? And then of course,
00:33:40.100
you know, in the war room, the election was stolen, but even try to come up against her.
00:33:43.700
Why do they select a globalist to then try to be a full populist?
00:33:49.460
It's a good question. I think there's two reasons. Uh, one, there were two left populists
00:33:53.940
running in that 2020 democratic primary, Warren and Bernie. And I, I tell the story in the rebels
00:33:58.740
of sort of how they, how they split, why they were at each other's throats, but, but at a fundamental
00:34:04.420
level, you had, you had left populist voters that had to split their votes between those two
00:34:09.780
candidates. I think that was a part of it. But if you go back to early in that race, I was embedded
00:34:14.180
with Warren for a while when she was briefly winning. You remember in September of 2019,
00:34:19.140
the whole democratic race was shaped around Warren, uh, a billionaire's tax, real kind of populist
00:34:25.060
sentiments that were, that were popular. And then when she went down, Bernie took the baton,
00:34:30.020
he was leading for a while, but it got to a point, I think in February, March where Democrats said to
00:34:34.900
themselves, listen, this stuff all sounds good, but the only thing we really want to do is get
00:34:39.780
Donald Trump out of the white house. And they understood that Joe Biden as, as an old white,
00:34:46.100
safe seeming guy was probably the safest pair of hands to accomplish that. And so they all got behind
00:34:53.300
Biden. I think that's, that's the story of, of why left populism sputtered in 2020 right there.
00:34:59.220
But I will say, I think Biden to his credit has taken on a lot of these popular, a lot of these
00:35:03.940
policies, not just from people like Bernie and Warren, but from people like Trump, you know,
00:35:08.500
when Biden got in, he didn't, he didn't scale back Trump's China tariffs. He's quietly held onto them.
00:35:15.300
If you look at what Biden has done as president, he's done the same kind of infrastructure things that
00:35:20.660
Trump was talking about. So nobody likes to talk about it, but there's an overlap, especially on
00:35:25.540
economics between the populist left and the populist right. Uh, and I don't think that's any accident.
00:35:33.060
You see now we're having a huge fight within the Republican party between the donors. So we call
00:35:37.940
it this phony primary, uh, and the fight on the populist right is going on and more vicious than ever
00:35:43.860
in the money. Now they may be waking up. Scott Besson had this big piece about a Trump rally.
00:35:48.660
Schwartzman came out today and said, uh, and said that these deficits are, are not containable.
00:35:55.140
Trump's got to be back in office. You've got Jamie Dimon patting MAGA on the head, saying MAGA are
00:35:59.540
great. The deplorables are great. Maybe getting ready for his run in 2028 as a populist. Um,
00:36:06.660
what, where do you see this fight now between the, is the populist left actually dead or, or is it,
00:36:11.540
do you have a new generation of the road Kahanas and the Fettermans that are going to pop up? Because
00:36:16.180
AOC seems like she didn't quite grasp the economics of it. She becomes kind of a margin and our view,
00:36:21.700
kind of a marginal character, Elizabeth Warren, Bernie, they're, they're, they're not, they're not
00:36:26.660
headliners now. Yeah, no, they're not running it. Look, I think that the left, the populist left is
00:36:32.500
actually more unified right now than, than folks on the right are. If you look at Warren, Bernie and AOC,
00:36:39.220
any one of those three could have run against Joe Biden, uh, in 2024 in the democratic primary,
00:36:44.580
uh, you know, we all know that Biden isn't, isn't a very imposing presidential candidate,
00:36:49.060
but they all chose not to, I think because, you know, to varying degrees, he's taken up big parts
00:36:54.260
of their agenda, whether it's, uh, the, the, the stimulus payments and all of the, uh, manufacturing
00:37:00.740
and reshoring stuff that Warren and Bernie had talked about, whether it's environmental stuff,
00:37:05.620
you know, the IRA had buried within it $300 billion for climate measures that AOC had wanted.
00:37:12.260
So I think that they're pretty, pretty unified behind Biden. And that's why you don't see a lot
00:37:16.740
of fractures on the left. That's why the best challenger to Biden, um, that Democrats could
00:37:24.180
produce was a kind of, you know, oddball, like this guy, Dean Phillips, who's out there running this
00:37:30.180
quixotic campaign to do, I don't know what. Um, but on the right, I mean, that's, what's interesting
00:37:35.140
to me sitting in Bloomberg all day, looking at the financial news, uh, cross, you've got Nikki Haley
00:37:40.740
out there who a lot of Republican billionaires are avidly supporting, even after she's gone 0 and 2
00:37:49.620
in Iowa and in New Hampshire. Uh, you know, I think that there's a big fight going on right now for
00:37:55.380
what the future of the Republican party is going to look like for as strong as Trump looks right
00:38:00.580
now in the GOP primaries, you look at the money class on wall street and the money class of
00:38:06.020
Republicans, uh, and they're digging in their heels. And a lot of them are kind of kicking and
00:38:11.460
screaming, uh, to not have to get up and line behind line up behind Donald Trump again, to try and prop up
00:38:17.460
Haley's candidacy and hope that either the justice system or health problems or, you know, a comet from
00:38:24.980
outer space can, can slow down Donald Trump and let her slip into that role and go back to more
00:38:31.220
of, um, you know, a neoconservative pro wall street Republican party like we had back in the nineties.
00:38:40.580
What do you see these fights on Capitol Hill as you said at Bloomberg and watch the, uh, and watch the
00:38:45.140
terminals and you see this massive fight now over the, over the budget. Then you've got the Ukraine
00:38:50.500
situation, you've got the border mess and they just put this, we call it a welfare expansion. They're
00:38:55.060
trying to hide it as a tax, but it's another trading and a half dollars. Do you see this fight going on
00:39:00.500
and you see much work between Gates and maybe other populist on the left to try to stop some
00:39:05.380
of these things? Or do you see this, uh, do you see this as the money class of, of neoliberal neoconism
00:39:13.380
I mean, I think this is just the old story of Washington where, you know, uh, no matter who, who is popular out
00:39:19.220
front of the camera, no matter who is getting the attention of the media, whether it's Gates,
00:39:23.060
who is up in New Hampshire, uh, or Trump behind the scenes, you've have armies of lobbyists in
00:39:28.820
Washington trying to do their bidding, trying to get their tax breaks, uh, trying to push for stuff
00:39:33.300
that they know isn't popular, uh, either on the MAGA right or on the populist left. And that's, that's
00:39:39.220
what a lot of the fight is, um, on, on wall street. I mean, to, to me, the thing that I'm waiting to
00:39:45.620
see is, will there be, as you said, a kind of teaming up between folks like Gates on the right,
00:39:51.140
uh, and populist on the left in, in Congress? I haven't seen a lot of evidence of it. I think
00:39:55.220
because the two parties are, are so polarized that, um, at least to folks like AOC on the left,
00:40:02.340
the idea of teaming up with him would be toxic. Um, but I think as we see, you know, the primaries
00:40:08.500
play out, especially assuming Nikki Haley goes away at some point fairly soon, I think what's going to shape
00:40:14.340
up in the fall in 2024. And I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on this is really going to be
00:40:19.220
a battle between, uh, Trump's right wing version of populism and Biden's left wing version of populism
00:40:25.460
that's been informed by the characters in my book, uh, Warren, Bernie and AOC to try and see, you know,
00:40:31.220
who can, who can win over middle America, right? Trump, as you and I've talked about endless times,
00:40:37.300
ended up winning Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania. He swept all three of them in 2016. Biden came back and
00:40:43.540
carried him in 2020. That's, that's where the 2024 election is going to be decided. I think,
00:40:48.580
I don't think it's going to be Georgia and Arizona. I think it's going to be middle America,
00:40:52.340
the heartland in the same kind of voters. And I think the Biden folks recognize that. And that's
00:40:56.820
why they're putting such an effort into trying to direct money to, to these de-industrialized places
00:41:02.420
and build new factories, um, you know, for batteries, for electric cars, for, for what have you.
00:41:07.860
You see, we think, uh, and I want to spend some time where people can get the book. We think that
00:41:14.740
true populism, which president Trump represents offsets, Biden's still a globalist at the end
00:41:19.540
of the day. He's still, he's still a neoliberal neocon. You see this in his national security.
00:41:23.460
You see it really in his economics. He does put a veneer on it. I think where you're going to see
00:41:27.620
true populism, I think is in this next generation. I think Rokihana, when I see Rokihana out in Ohio,
00:41:33.300
talking about economic patriotism. And he admits that's Peter Navarro's and the hard economic
00:41:38.340
nationalism with a nicer glean on it. Right. Or, or you see Fetterman who I've been the most
00:41:43.060
critical, calling him a cyborg. You see Fetterman up there taking a hard stand against the U S steel
00:41:48.900
acquisition. You see Fetterman. I mean, Fetterman's coming across, trying to, I think a lot of us to
00:41:53.300
try to help Biden in Pennsylvania, because Biden's not a true populist. Fetterman's trying to be an
00:41:57.940
America first Democrat. Anyway, Josh, we'll spend more time on that later. Where do people,
00:42:01.780
I want people to get the book though, because, and I understand for this audience, it's going
00:42:05.460
to be a reach to buy a book where you're going to spend some time with AOC, but to understand the
00:42:10.340
populist right and to understand devil's bargain, this is really the sequel, which is about the
00:42:14.660
populist. Where do they go and where they find you, how they get all the information about where you,
00:42:19.700
where you are in your writings. All right. You know, you can get the book on Amazon. You get the book
00:42:24.180
in your local bookstore. I'm at, I'm at Twitter or X at, uh, at Joshua green. Um, you know,
00:42:30.100
you can read my stuff at Bloomberg and, uh, you know, I'm sure you'll be giving me plenty of love
00:42:34.260
on social media, Steve. So, uh, you know, my stuff is out there and look, this is written,
00:42:39.140
not, this is written, not for, not for a lefty audience. I mean, people who want to understand
00:42:43.060
the broad history of populism on the right, on the left, this is required reading along with
00:42:47.940
devil's bargain. You read two, you read those two books and you'll be very much up to speed on where
00:42:56.500
And by the way, our audience gets it. The most fascinating thing about watching you go around
00:42:59.540
with this book is how, when you're talking in these interviews, people can't even get their
00:43:03.140
heads around it. They can't get their heads around populism. They still, the corporate media
00:43:07.060
still refuses. And I think you've enlightened people that the mainstream media really looks
00:43:11.940
at personalities, right? They don't look at the underlying forces of driving things. So anyway,
00:43:15.620
thank you so much for coming into the war room. I appreciate it, brother.
00:43:19.940
Josh Green. Devil's bargain and now the rebels. Very, very insightful. A fight against the populist
00:43:29.140
right. Here's the problem with Biden. He's not a true populist. Also, also the populist on the left
00:43:36.020
has a fundamental flaw to it. As I've always said with Bernie, that is this situation with immigration.
00:43:42.820
Remember, Bernie used to be one of the biggest fire breathers about immigration, but not when he started
00:43:46.580
to rise in the Democratic Party. That is the central weakness of the populism of the left.
00:43:51.060
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By the way, you're shutting down everything today, Warab. You're blasting sites. Josh Green's
00:45:28.160
just informed me that I think almost 125 to 150 people have already followed him from this
00:45:33.120
audience on his interview, which is surreal. This is why people want to come. I mean, Josh is one of
00:45:38.940
the most respected journalists over Bloomberg. And look, Bloomberg, as you know, it's the terminal
00:45:45.260
for the enemy. But he's considered one of the brightest young guys there, follows populist,
00:45:50.440
follows President Trump in the populist movement closely. Here's why. The money wants to know what
00:45:54.580
you think. What Josh Green's interview was, was the money having respect for this audience to come
00:46:00.260
and say, hey, let's explain the way we see it. That's respect. And that's because you have power.
00:46:07.420
Chris Murphy, Grace just got me. Chris Murphy, the senator from Connecticut. Remember, Murphy is a
00:46:13.360
guy that sees himself as President of the United States one day. Just always like Rokahana,
00:46:17.520
Chris Murphy. These are guys in the Democrat Party that look in the mirror and see a President of the
00:46:21.320
United States. Murphy's trying to be all things to all people, right? He's trying to be a populist,
00:46:25.960
but he's also trying to be a globalist. He's trying to, he's trying to, he's trying to thread the
00:46:29.780
needle. He just came out and said, hey, they have a deal. They're going to put the text out over the
00:46:33.820
weekend. So we're going to get to the ramparts. We got massive fights. We've got the border bill,
00:46:42.720
which is really an amnesty bill. We have this Ukraine fiasco. Right now, they're trying to fire
00:46:48.080
the lead general. There's a soft coup going on in Ukraine. They're going to try to put the Israel,
00:46:52.520
and look, we're pro-Israel, pro-defensive Israel, but the $14 billion has got to be offset. You
00:46:57.500
cannot do a clean one. We're not going into that business. And we got to defeat this tax bill.
00:47:01.600
You guys are going to have your hands full because you stand up for the American people.
00:47:06.460
You stand up for the American people. You have President Trump's back. So we got a lot to do today.
00:47:12.020
Today, I'm going to be with Carrie Lake and with Carrie Lake and Eli Crane later. I want to make
00:47:20.140
sure you guys, in fact, six o'clock out in Arizona time, we'll be in Prescott. I want to make sure
00:47:25.340
Grace and Captain Bannon on Captain Bannon Special Day get that information out there. You'll see Carrie,
00:47:30.420
Eli, and myself at, I think, the town hall in Prescott, Arizona. So make sure you check. Weather is quite
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bad out this way today, but make sure that you get there if you're in that general area.
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Mike Lindell, very special announcement, Brother Lindell. And here's, I know it's a special
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announcement. Mike Lindell is finally not going to do an announcement by himself. Who do you got?
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What do you got? What do you got for us? Well, Steve, we've all been working on these great people
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when do you think it was made in the USA? And you guys can go there. If you go there to
00:49:07.800
the website, you, you can, they're all categorized. Just like, just like on Amazon, you've got
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beauty. You've got, well, you've got everything, right? Outdoors, outdoor products, kitchen
00:49:23.320
But Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike, hang on a second. The overall theme, we have categories, right?
00:49:29.280
One of our categories is alternative economy for people who support your values. You have
00:49:35.800
to stop giving money to people that hate you. And that is the central thing of this alternative
00:49:40.380
patriot economy of people that can come up and provide these type of access to products
00:49:45.020
and services. So, so walk me through the value set of the folks that we're presenting the,
00:49:51.320
Yeah. All these, all the, you know, this goes back, Steve, about three years ago,
00:49:56.280
three, four years ago. And I said, all these entrepreneurs, they were having to go through
00:50:00.780
what I went through with my pillow. And I would, I had all these blocks and you get on Amazon,
00:50:06.220
you're copied, you've got all this stuff made in China. All of a sudden you look up and you get
00:50:10.140
in the box stores, you're copied and, and, or, and you get up on Facebook and all these other
00:50:15.700
platforms. And it costs so much to be up there. Well, now I've got a safe haven for the entrepreneurs
00:50:21.360
and their products. And I, it means every, it means everything to them. They said there,
00:50:26.160
they put them up there and we bring the people to the site, the my store.com and helping everyone
00:50:32.220
in this country, um, helping you all at home, get the best products made in the USA and, uh, and
00:50:38.880
helping these great entrepreneurs. We need to, we need to all buy USA, make it here and, uh, get back
00:50:46.180
to a great place that this country can be. And, uh, this is just part of the process. And they,
00:50:51.580
they're trying to look, they're trying to destroy my pillow and think of the little entrepreneurs
00:50:56.600
out there. I know what I went through back then to get a product to market, to, uh, to get a place
00:51:02.200
to sell it. And, and now we have it with my store.com and, uh, what these guys have been doing for
00:51:07.620
about two years right now, two, two years. It took a long time, Steven, to vet the entrepreneurs,
00:51:13.880
vet the products and, and, uh, just keep onboarding them. And now we're ready. We're,
00:51:18.420
we're ready. It's like, you get there, you can shop all day long and support everything made in
00:51:24.000
the USA, but support these families. There are stories. If you go to my store.com and you scroll
00:51:29.420
down, everybody, each entrepreneur has their own story. So you click on it and they're, they'll tell
00:51:35.580
their story there. There it's a great place just to go there and, and hang out and listen to every,
00:51:40.820
every one of these stories. You go to the sock. These guys, uh, you go to their socks. Yeah,
00:51:44.480
there you go. It's a website. As you scroll down, you'll see all the products. And then as you can,
00:51:49.660
as you keep going there, um, you'll get down, you'll, and it'll, it'll tell you all the, um, um,
00:51:55.520
every entrepreneur has their journey in there. And it's so interesting. And, um, we, uh,
00:52:02.600
you know, to be able to, to do this, this is really, this is absolutely one of the most,
00:52:08.840
uh, incredible platforms because there you go. You got the bond. They got Mike's likes there.
00:52:13.760
And, uh, where, where, where do you go? Once again, I want everybody to go. Where do people
00:52:20.220
go right now? We want to crash this site. We've crashed two others. I want to crash this one.
00:52:25.540
Where do they go? Yeah. And by the way, there's a little shopping channel there too. Remember,
00:52:29.860
I'd be kicked off the shopping channels. When you go to my store.com, you can hit the shopping
00:52:34.560
channel there, use the promo code war room, everybody, every single thing on the site.
00:52:39.800
We set it up today. So the war room posse can get anything on there for the discounts. It'll
00:52:45.940
have the war room discount on there. So go to the, you can watch it. I forgot about the shopping
00:52:50.780
channel, you guys war room. And you could use the same one 800 number for the, my pillow.
00:52:55.940
My opera is standing by there. I cannot. Thank you, brother. Okay. Uh, Charlie Kirk is next for
00:53:02.900
two hours. Poster after that, we are back five to seven here in the war room. See you then.
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