Episode 3401： The Converging Crisis
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Summary
In this episode, I talk about the rise of the anti-globalist movement and how it links to pro-Russia and Vladimir Putin. I also discuss the role of the EU as a bulwark against China and Russia, and the need for Europe to take a bigger role in global security.
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Just a perhaps predictable reaction against the forces of globalization that swept through us during the 80s and 90s, but left and the orts, perhaps, but left people behind.
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And so you had a conglomeration of people who felt that they hadn't benefited from globalization.
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You saw this spread of inequality in Europe and in the United States.
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And this is a kickback against that with charismatic leaders who say, look, I'm out for you.
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I'm out for the little guy, whether you are from the left or from the right, doesn't matter.
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It's the little guy against the big guys, the little guy against the establishment.
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That is a common thread. And there are three things that unite this movement, you know, across countries.
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It is a hostility to trade, a feeling that globalization has gone too far.
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It's a hostility to migration and a feeling that there is too much mixing, particularly the regular kind, and a fear also of the hegemonic left and what that's become.
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It almost came after NAFTA here in the United States, the reaction, the anti-globalist beginnings of that.
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And the irony is that you hear from agricultural people, farmers, as well as big agriculture and big business, that they need migration.
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They need labor. We're developing a labor shortage here, actually, in the United States.
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But the border issue is certainly the immigration issue has the most compelling force behind it.
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What's so fascinating to me is how it gets tied up with the pro-Russia thing.
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Because I understand the migration thing. I understand the nationalism.
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I understand, you know, the people have got left behind.
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But I don't really get the bit about where this gets tied in with, well, that makes us supporters of...
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I mean, Putin has adhered to this by presenting himself as a defender of traditional civilization, right?
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Christianity, orthodox in his case, but anti-LGBTQ rights, anti-transgenderism, anti-decadence of the West.
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And he's made common cause with a part of the American political system that otherwise in the past was very anti-Russia,
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when Russia was perceived to be left as a communist nation.
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And now Putin is doing it from the other side, on the ultra-right.
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And he is making common cause in Europe with the various right-wing parties there through this cultural war.
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In fact, he's doing the same thing we hear in our own domestic politics.
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It just seems as though only Donald Trump could have energized this pro-Putin part of the Republican establishment.
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I mean, Putin is demonized for very good reasons.
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The cyber threat posed by the Chinese government is massive.
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China's hacking program is larger than that of every other major nation combined.
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And that size advantage is only magnified because the PRC uses AI, built in large part on stolen innovation and stolen data, to improve its hacking operations, including to steal yet more AI tech and data.
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I know people have heard what, you know, Trump said and, you know, they've criticized it and they said, well, Trump is going to abandon Europe.
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I think Trump is actually issuing a wake-up call to say that Europe has to take a bigger role in its own security.
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Germany, just this year, will spend more than 2% of GDP, okay?
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That, of course, is something that we had to really push for in the United States.
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And it just now has finally cleared that threshold.
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How many mechanized brigades could Germany feel tomorrow?
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The problem with Europe is that it doesn't provide enough of a deterrence on its own because it hasn't taken enough of a, it hasn't taken the initiative in its own security.
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I think that the American security blanket has allowed European security to atrophy.
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And again, the point is not we want to abandon Europe.
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The point is we need to focus as a country on East Asia and we need our European allies to step up in Europe.
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You're just not going to free shot at all these networks lying about the people.
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I know you've tried to do everything in the world to stop that.
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And where do people like that go to share the big line?
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I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
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Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
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If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
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It's Monday, 19 February, in the year of our Lord, 2024.
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President Trump will return to the Capitol next Saturday to give this return to the Capitol,
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give a really, I think, a fire-breathing speech that will kick off the drive to the White House.
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Also that night, he'll be back in South Carolina for the blowout of neocon Nicky.
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You know, on Monday morning, I do some radio hits to make sure we kick off the week.
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Of course, I do the John Fredericks Network, do his show traditionally every Monday.
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Also been doing Sid's show in WABC in New York, the morning show.
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He asked the question today about the times we're in.
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I said this is one of the most dangerous, if not the most dangerous time in American history,
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including leading up and at the beginning of the Civil War and leading up in the beginning of World War II,
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We have 10 million illegal alien invaders, 10 million illegal alien invaders in the country.
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And you can see every day what's happening to the country because of that, and they keep coming.
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And Biden, in a well-thought-through and highly organized effort, continues to let them in and get them deep inside the country.
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This afternoon at 4 o'clock, Laura Loomer is down in the Darien Gap and down in Panama,
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and she's got some amazing footage, I think from Somalia, of people coming from Somalia and talking about Omar,
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and she's invited them, and Biden's invited them in, and they're going to the United States,
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And, of course, Lindsey Graham, he didn't go to the Munich Security Conference.
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You saw a couple of cuts from that, and Andrea Mitchell and the long faces there at Morning Joe this morning,
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sitting in for Morning Mika, the long faces there.
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It's anti-shipping one's jobs away from one's country for no reason or just for the reason of getting slightly smaller wage give-ups,
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They all talk about the environment, but they want to ship it to third-world countries.
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It's an invasion of Europe, an invasion of the United States of America, full stop invasion.
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And the Europeans, and finally, I think it's Root, I think he's Dutch,
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has said that the leaders over there stopped whining about, oh, Trump, oh, Trump, oh, Trump,
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because all weekend we covered it, we followed it pretty closely.
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It's all, oh, Trump, oh, Trump, oh, MAGA, oh, these right-wing reactionaries, pro-Putin.
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It was Lao-Beijing and the Russian serfs coupled with the American fighting man in the English,
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throw the English in there too, and we'll put the Indians in because they stood at Irrawaddy
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But that's what broke the back of the fascists of Imperial Japan, the Italians, the Italian fascists, and the Nazis.
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And now you have all the people who are the elites of Europe,
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and the elites of Europe did not stand up to this, and now they want us to underwrite it for the fourth time.
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They maybe have to go to their own people and make the case why maybe you don't have free health care.
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Maybe you don't have – you can't retire at 50 with a full pension.
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Maybe you're not going to get six or eight weeks off in the summer.
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We have to defend – if you're so afraid of the Russians, step up and defend yourself.
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And as J.D. said, the Germans and others getting to 2 percent of their GDP, it's all because of Trump 100 percent.
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Biden and the Atlanticist crowd and MSNBC and Stavridis and all these great thinkers
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that have been dead wrong, dead wrong, dead wrong in the Ukraine from the beginning.
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And now I was reading a piece over the weekend.
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People are saying it could be up to a million dead and maybe more.
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It's your fault we're not shoveling $60 billion, although the Associated Press gave a thing that they only have a plan A.
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In fact, we can grab that on Getter and get it up maybe later in the next block.
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Plan A is you underwriting another $60 billion.
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And nobody over there, including any senator, is this $60 billion in it?
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Oh, the MAGA Republicans, the MAGA Republicans, the MAGA Republicans didn't send arms.
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The mothers and fathers there have not sent their sons and daughters to die in the churnal house of the eastern front over the Russian-speaking front of the Donbassk and down in Crimea.
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They have not done it, and they're not going to do it.
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No force on earth can allow their kids to be press-ganged into going to their certain death.
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This is the whole thing about the military coup.
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The beloved generals said, yo, we've got to have bodies.
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And those bodies, the average age of our military is 42.
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Is this not another Iraq and Afghanistan where they think you're idiots and you're going to go up – they're going to go up on TV for stupid people, Murdoch News, like they had Nikki Haley.
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They had Nikki Haley with a town hall last night.
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She's going to get blown out in South Carolina.
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The numbers on Super Tuesday are even worse than South Carolina.
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She's not going away because she's the last grip the anti-Trump forces have.
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She's saying, oh, but they're fighting for liberty and they're fighting for freedom.
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This is a con of Zelensky, the oligarchs over there, the party of Davos, Brussels, and the arms manufacturers.
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They even said in the – they even said in the Associated Press piece, there's only a plan A.
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About 10 paragraphs down, of course, the buried lead where, you know, all weekend – because J.D. goes over there.
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He was saying what you hear in war room every day and they were meltdown.
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And then one unnamed arms representative that's over there because it's an arms bazaar, he said, quote, stability is profitable.
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If you stabilize the situation, send more – everybody makes money.
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The European – he just said everybody – the European arm manufacturers make money.
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The parents of the – particularly the young men of Ukraine.
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That's where they got them the hell out of the country.
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How much of the six – was it six to ten million Ukrainians have left?
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What percentage of those are young men of fighting age?
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What percentage of those are the same age groups that are coming here and invading the United States of America, the fighting age males?
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Because they got themselves out or their parents got them out because they don't believe there's going to be a military victory.
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And they keep talking about, oh, we're going to take these territories back.
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They've got a country that looks like Dresden in 45.
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It could be up to 500,000 dead just on the Ukrainian side alone or more.
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It could be a couple of hundred thousand civilians, most of them women and children.
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These recalcitrant MAGA, these head in the sand.
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You are the anti-anarchy, anti-chaos because that's what the Biden regime – remember, elections have consequences.
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Stolen elections have catastrophic consequences, and you're seeing it everywhere in the world, whether it's the invasion of this country,
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the $2 trillion per year in perpetuity deficits that are going to bury this country in every child and grandchild that you've got,
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and, of course, the kinetic part of the Third World War.
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We're going to talk about globalization, and we're going to talk about MAGA next in the War Room.
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He learned this by presenting himself as a defender of traditional civilization, right?
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Christianity, orthodox in his case, but anti-LGBTQ rights, anti-transgenderism, anti-decadence of the West.
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And he's made common cause with a part of the American political system that otherwise in the past was very anti-Russia.
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When Russia was perceived to be left as a communist nation, now Putin is doing it from the other side on the ultra-right.
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And he is making common cause in Europe with the various right-wing parties there through this cultural war.
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In fact, he's doing the same thing we hear in our own domestic politics.
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It just seems as though only Donald Trump could have energized this pro-Putin part of the Republican establishment.
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I mean, Putin is demonized for very good reasons.
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The voice you're hearing is Peter Baker, the lead White House correspondent for the paper of record in this nation, the New York Times.
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In fact, I think they investigated for being too pro-Soviet Union during the worst days of it.
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I was there as a grundoon after sea duty in the Pentagon with the chief naval operations and could see this, that this was the beginning of President Reagan's take down the evil empire.
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And I saw in Europe, in the United States, the huge fight.
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And particularly in his takedown of the evil empire.
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You know, his daughter's on yesterday talking about, hey, politics.
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You know, Tip O'Neill came to the bed and said, stop the crap.
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All the stuff she wrote about the mother, just pathetic.
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And I say that someone's made a couple of very, I would say this, deep films about President
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We took Peter Schweitzer's book in the, we took Peter Schweitzer's book, Reagan's War,
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and turned it into a film to talk about specifically for over two hours how President Reagan united
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the forces of the world to take down the Soviet unions and to crush the Bolsheviks.
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And it's always struck me as interesting, why are all the people that hated Reagan and
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fought it, hell, you had a million people in Central Park, you had millions all over
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Europe with the Pershing missiles, but the defense shield that they have today, the defense
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shield that they, oh, Americans can't pull out the nuclear weapons, they can't pull out
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the tactical nukes, everything they're begging us and rubbing up on us today, we had to fight
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to put in there, to take down the Soviets, to make sure the Soviets knew that if you come
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across the Fulter Gap, if you come across the North, the North German plane, you're going
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That Soviet army, that Red Army from World War II and from those days, from the 80s, doesn't
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They couldn't take Kyiv when they first tried to at the beginning, right?
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And all this hand-wringing and hand-wringing and hand-wringing, it's got to be something
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I want to hear, so I keep asking, how does Jamie Raskin's dad go from loving the Bolsheviks
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and rubbing up on the Bolsheviks and wants the Bolsheviks to win, right?
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How do they then flip and all of a sudden, Russia's the great demon?
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Reagan, the same, and remember, it's the exact same people, the exact same people, the
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exact same crowd that fought Reagan and loved the Soviets and, hey, you know, the missile
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thing, we have rapprochement, we have to have detente, we have to do all that, and Reagan
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sits there with his first national security advisor.
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It was Richard V. Allen, and when they got Richard V. Allen, they said, look, you're going
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to get the interview to be the national security advisor, and Richard V. Allen was not a big
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name, they were coming off Kissinger and Brzezinski, so you got Kissinger and Brzezinski, two guys
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with the foreign accents, the PhDs, the whole Harvard thing, you know, they got two brains,
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and they know everything about everything that's happened in the world, right?
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They're a big chess board, and they're these Eastern Europeans, or in Kissinger's case,
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a German, and Brzezinski was Polish, that the whole American people had this whole thing
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like Dr. Strangelove is always the national security advisor, and you got Richard V. Allen,
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who's a little bit of a country, I thought, a country bumpkin, a tough guy, but not a big
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name, and so they tell him, he said, look, the last thing Reagan wants, he doesn't want
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a Brzezinski, he doesn't want a Kissinger, he thinks these guys are, you know, they're
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too European the way they think, he's got a different attitude on this, and he says, the
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one thing you should do, make sure if you go in this interview, don't use the word
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geopolitics, just, just, the, and don't be geostrategic, just be basic, this guy's a
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basic guy, he doesn't want a lot of highfalutin talk, he's a man of action, and Alan's, Richard
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V. Allen's in there, and he catches, and he's going, he's very nervous, so he just
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starts talking, and he notices that Reagan's kind of getting a glazed look, and he's thinking,
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hey, I'm boring this guy, and he goes, oh my God, I'm about to lose this job, I got
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this interview, all I got to do is get through it, and I got the job, the biggest job I'll
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ever have, and I'm about to screw it up, and he hears the words, I think he hears the words
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geopolitical come across his lip, and he knows he's in trouble, and he full stops, stop, stop,
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he goes, Mr. President-elect, you know, I've been here, I'm quite nervous, and I've just
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been talking, I really, I'm most interested in what your strategy is against the
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Soviet Union, because that's the biggest thing we had at the time, and Reagan goes,
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Dick, how about this, we win, and they lose, and Ronald Reagan took them down, Ronald Reagan
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took them down, Ronald Reagan took them down, now why is it everybody that fought Reagan that
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entire time, remember he was going to do Star Wars, and Sagan and those guys mocked and ridiculed
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him, that he thought, Reagan did that to bury them financially, understanding that their
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military-industrial complex was so far in back of ours, in fact, when he first got there,
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talk about budgets, this is Kissinger in that crowd, for years and years and years, it was
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the Thucydides trap, the same scam they pulled on China with us here, that we're the declining
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power, they're the rising power, Athens and Sparta, the Peloponnesian War, we're the declining
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power, they're the rising power, and so when Reagan first got there, he got a Team B, and
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they had done some more assessments, but they had Bill Casey, who was a piece of work, over
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at, you know, he was kind of a, what I call a deal lawyer, he was running the CIA, and
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they got him to do an analysis of the Russian economy, and it came back that the Russian,
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oops, we've made a mistake historically, we were extrapolating off bad numbers, you see this
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all the time, we're extrapolating off of bad, bad decisions, bad analysis, 20 years ago,
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10 years ago, and we extrapolated off that, and the Soviet economy is not actually bigger
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than ours, and it's not growing faster than ours, it's actually, you know, a third, it's
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only a third of ours, or something, some number that was, it was a humongous miss, and Reagan's
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sitting there, they would always mock Reagan, not being that smart, and Reagan goes, hang
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over a second, let me, let me see that again, he looks at it, he goes, he says, well,
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gosh, this economy's not even as big as California, and I was just the governor there, so how big
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a threat are these guys going to be, it was like, ooh, that's when Reagan said, okay, let's
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drop the hammer on these bros, let's do it, and it was done, it was done, we win, they lose,
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that's the attitude, quite simple, very American, and it worked, and people rallied to it, well,
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the forces that fought him, Jamie Raskin's dad, and all these guys, all the Bolshevik
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lovers, how did that flip, let's play Peter Baker again, you're going to get, you're going
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to get Peter Baker of the New York Times, not Breitbart, not Citizens Free Press, not the
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Boys Over Gateway Pundit, not Darren Beattie, not the War Room, Peter Baker, lead correspondent
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for the New York Times, says the quiet part out loud, let's hear it.
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Just a perhaps predictable reaction against the forces of globalization that swept through
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us during the 80s and 90s, but left, and the oughts perhaps, but left people behind, and
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so you had a conglomeration of people who felt that they hadn't benefited from globalization,
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you saw this spread of inequality in Europe and in the United States, and this is a kickback
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against that with charismatic leaders who say, look, I'm out for you, I'm out for the little
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guy, whether you are from the left or from the right, doesn't matter, it's the little
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guy against the big guy, it's the little guy against the establishment.
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That is a common thread, and there are three things that unite this movement, you know,
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across countries, it is a hostility to trade, a feeling that globalization has gone too far,
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it's a hostility to migration, and a feeling that there's too much mixing, particularly of
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the regular kind, and a fear also of the hegemonic left and what that's become.
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It almost came after NAFTA here in the United States, the reaction, the anti-globalist beginnings
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of that, and the irony is that you hear from agricultural people, farmers as well as big
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agriculture, and big business, that they need migration, they need labor. We're developing a
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labor shortage here, actually, in the United States, but the border issue is certainly,
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the immigration issue has the most compelling force behind it. It doesn't make economic
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What's so fascinating to me is how it gets tied up with the pro-Russia thing, because
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I understand the migration thing, I understand the nationalism, I understand, you know, the
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people have got left behind, but I don't really get the bit about where this gets tied in
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I mean, Putin has appeared to this by presenting himself as a defender of traditional civilization,
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right? Christianity, orthodox in his case, but anti-LGBTQ rights, anti-transgenderism,
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anti-decadence of the West, and he's made common cause with a part of the American political
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system that otherwise in the past was very anti-Russia, when Russia was perceived to be
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left as a communist nation. Now Putin is doing it from the other side on the ultra-right,
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and he is making common cause in Europe with the various right-wing parties there through
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this cultural war. In fact, he's doing the same thing we hear in our own domestic politics.
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It just seems as though only Donald Trump could have energized this pro-Putin part of the
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Republican establishment. It's so counterintuitive.
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It's not counterintuitive, lady. You're just dumb. I always... We try to watch her. We
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monitor her full-time, but we've got to watch Andrea Mitchell. She's sitting there, and she's
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the mouthpiece of the conventional wisdom. You want to see how bankrupt the conventional wisdom
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is? Just watch Andrea Mitchell every day. You'll get it. You'll get it in spades.
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These people are moronic. But Peter Baker said the quiet part out loud there. Wow. New
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President's Day. Of course, we're here at work, obviously. President's Day, incredibly
00:30:12.020
important, as I've said, and I have a deep-seated belief on this, only a third time in American
00:30:18.860
history. You had General Washington, you've had Abraham Lincoln, and you've had now Donald
00:30:25.340
Trump, only three times in the history of this country. Has the fate of one individual
00:30:30.560
been inextricably linked to the fate and destiny of this republic? And that's pretty obvious.
00:30:37.860
Even as much resistance as President Reagan got, and he got as much resistance inside the
00:30:44.220
White House with the Bush forces, led by Jim Baker, right? Totally corrupt. Oh, these guys,
00:30:51.100
he's a man of Washington, and these are all big business guys, and they're lawyers for big
00:30:55.200
business. Yeah, they're lawyers just like the Dulles brothers over at Sullivan and Cromwell.
00:31:00.620
Did such a great job pre-World War II with the German industry. That whole deal hasn't even been
00:31:06.340
explained. How kids from Kansas, I want you to think about this. Watch 12 O'Clock Hour. You can see
00:31:13.240
Masters of the Air now. How kids from Kansas and Kentucky and Virginia and Illinois and New York City,
00:31:18.580
Los Angeles, how these guys in the Eighth Air Force, because the Brits wouldn't do precision
00:31:24.900
daylight bombing because the casualties were too high. I'm not picking on the Brits. The Brits are
00:31:29.920
also very resistant to D-Day and delayed it forever and ever. Why? They've taken such mass
00:31:35.660
casualties in World War I. World War I left such a deep scar on the French people and the German
00:31:42.000
people, excuse me, the French people and the British, obviously the Germans too, but left such a deep
00:31:47.220
scar. They wanted to stay away from what's called the first day at the Somme where they lost,
00:31:53.820
I don't know what it was, 40,000. It was some unbelievable in the churnal house of that one
00:31:58.540
day that the British couldn't take it anymore. But you've got all that. The whole point is to
00:32:05.380
bomb German industry and then later to bomb Japanese industry back into the Stone Age,
00:32:10.800
to destroy the industrial base of German, the German war machine and Imperial Japan,
00:32:17.940
its war machine. So isn't it interesting that, and this is just the way it is, that the same
00:32:26.040
folks basically that run the industrial power, the seven samurai families that run the trading
00:32:32.440
companies that ran the industrial part of Japan, pre-war that really were the guys that really
00:32:37.800
drove the war in Imperial Japan, the Asian co-prosperity sphere, the same guys that provided
00:32:48.080
all the material and drove the political system, really controlled the political system and controlled
00:32:52.100
really the emperor. Those same samurai families of the trading companies that controlled Japan
00:32:58.660
today, no change was done pre-war, post-war, same guys, same families, same industrial power,
00:33:04.520
same in Germany. You ever ask that question? Hey, why did kids in Kansas, why did we have D-Day?
00:33:10.380
Why did folks die in all this horror and tragedy? And why did all this happen? Why did all this happen
00:33:22.180
in the same deal before and after? Because it was the same deal before and after.
00:33:27.200
Oh yeah, by the way, and the Dulles brothers and the Sullivan and Cromwell firms and all the law
00:33:33.020
firms and all the banks, everybody lent to them, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same.
00:33:42.240
You got to get down and start breaking apart the administrative state. That's what I said on CPAC
00:33:46.180
in 17, we're coming up on, what is this, the seventh year of that? Seven years ago. Maybe we can play
00:33:52.540
that clip later in the show. I said the three things of President Trump was one, a new national security,
00:33:57.040
effort, led by making sure NATO was not a protectorate, but was a real alliance, and focusing
00:34:03.180
on taking down or confronting the Chinese Communist Party, and of all places, wow, the South China
00:34:10.160
Sea. Pretty pressing it there, young man. Number two, I said a national, economic nationalism,
00:34:17.060
going to bring jobs back to the United States and restrict immigration and make sure, as Andrea
00:34:21.060
Mitchell just said back there, well, they need migrants because they need the jobs. We need
00:34:25.800
migrants because we need the jobs. That's the mantra of the ruling class. We need the invasion
00:34:30.120
of 10 million, because the working class Hispanics and blacks and the whites are not working hard
00:34:36.720
enough. They're not good enough. We need an infusion of energy here. So that was number two, I said,
00:34:43.600
and number three, the focus of President Trump is the deconstruction of the administrative state.
00:34:49.820
And all the media, I had a thousand media back there, they're all watching, Reince and I are up
00:34:53.320
there with Matt Schlapp, and all these guys sitting there, what did Bennett just say? Administrative
00:34:56.980
what? What? Who? What? What? All the folks at CPAC, all MAGA, as I say in those red ball caps
00:35:04.200
and bib overalls, they're up high-fiving. You don't have to tell them, they get it. They're ahead of the
00:35:10.560
elites in this country. Not just plenty smart, real smart. Just give them the information,
00:35:15.880
real smart. I'll take, if you gave me a choice between a combination of the partners of Sullivan
00:35:23.360
and Cromwell, McKinsey and Goldman Sachs, mix it all up in a bowl, give me 100, versus the first 100
00:35:29.720
people that walk in to CPAC in a red ball cap, I'll take the red ball caps. I'll take the red ball
00:35:37.480
caps because that will, that will make sure that, that will make sure that we have a country that's
00:35:44.280
got common sense, decency, and humanity. To tell you how far it's gone, Michael Benz,
00:35:52.360
Mike Benz joins us. Mike was an official in the first Trump term. He and Darren Beattie did some
00:35:57.920
amazing, amazing work afterwards. He continues on. Benz, I got to tell you, the interview that
00:36:05.260
Tucker Carlson did with you was, and I thought the interview he did with Putin was pretty daggone
00:36:10.180
good, particularly getting some economic stuff and some other stuff. I liked it a lot. I really
00:36:14.180
liked it, particularly the history and all that, and I realized they're all over Tucker. But the
00:36:18.040
interview he did with you, I believe, is the best interview Tucker's done since he's gone out in
00:36:23.200
the new platform, sir. Now, why would Benz, tell me, why would Steve Bannon say that?
00:36:30.540
I can only guess. I'm curious to actually hear what parts of it, you know, you thought were most
00:36:36.900
effective. You know, it was really, really kind of amazing, I think, the colloquy we were able to
00:36:42.480
have to kind of paint the broad picture of the shape of the beast we're up against. You know,
00:36:49.620
from my perspective, these are all things that I've said hundreds, thousands of times over
00:36:54.460
almost seven, eight years now. But to be able to have it all in one shot, I think, was very
00:37:01.060
effective so that you're not sort of getting it all chapter by chapter.
00:37:04.960
Just give me your, let's walk through, because we'll take some time here today. We're going to
00:37:09.540
have some people tucking in and out, but just give us your theory. We've got about six minutes,
00:37:13.860
seven minutes in this block. Give me your theory of the case. You're just taking a run with it. What is
00:37:17.580
Mike Benz's theory of the case of what has happened to our beloved country?
00:37:22.860
Well, there is basically an immune system of permanent Washington, which is comprised of the,
00:37:28.700
you know, at the top, you have the foreign policy establishment, the national security state,
00:37:33.400
the corporate and financial donors and drafters off of it, and the political opportunists on both
00:37:37.820
sides of the political aisle. And, you know, the way that I essentially see the framing of this issue
00:37:44.820
is the managers of the American empire versus the citizens of the American homeland. We've had for,
00:37:54.180
you know, since we became an empire, you could argue, in 1898 when we won the Spanish-American
00:38:00.260
War and took the Philippines and became this overseas empire with territory to protect.
00:38:05.880
And you could argue, even going back to 1823, you know, with the Monroe Doctrine and our forays into
00:38:12.600
into Latin and South America, that American industry was always sort of an international
00:38:18.600
enterprise. And you do need a full-throated, red-blooded, brass-knuckled foreign policy
00:38:25.600
establishment to be able to protect U.S. national champions who have businesses abroad. The issue
00:38:30.600
is, even though that was effectively magical for America to develop its middle class during the
00:38:37.340
20th century, by the 1990s, globalism started to break down as our manufacturing miracle was reduced
00:38:44.640
to a rust belt, as the Chamber of Commerce companies that benefited so much from globalism under the
00:38:51.740
protection of the Pentagon, the State Department, the CIA, and other intelligence agencies, as there
00:38:57.260
began to be a split between the welfare of our globalist institutions and the citizens of the nation
00:39:04.940
that they were supposed to be trickling wealth down to and serving at the electoral level.
00:39:11.820
There became essentially the growth of populist opposition, which is, you know, populism is not
00:39:18.060
a dirty word. Populism is the recourse to corrupt or to institutions that have gone astray.
00:39:27.340
And the issue, as I see it, is not Republican versus Democrat or conservative versus liberal.
00:39:32.200
Those are things that can turn with the tides. What we have right now is a foreign policy
00:39:37.160
establishment, which is imbued with a Department of Dirty Tricks, things that they are, that we've
00:39:42.600
allowed them for a century to do abroad to foreign governments and foreign citizens and foreign
00:39:48.360
institutions, turning that inward. And so you have the foreign policy establishment against populism,
00:39:57.480
both here and all across NATO, in the UK with the Brexit folks, in Italy with the Matteo Salvini
00:40:04.280
folks, in Spain with the Vox Party, in Greece and Germany with the AFD Party. This is, you know,
00:40:10.280
all across the board, there's been a rise of populist groups, also on the left, I should add.
00:40:15.160
And in each case where they are threatened by the foreign policy establishment, the democracy has now been
00:40:21.160
effectively completely destroyed because you have an immune system such as a justice department that
00:40:27.080
will be weaponized to arrest any populist leader who rises to power or a lawfare system that will
00:40:32.120
bankrupt them, police who won't protect their meetings. You have the silencing all across social
00:40:38.840
media, gag orders placed as they're being put on trial so that they can't even defend themselves,
00:40:45.560
their lawyers being arrested. You know, Steve, you being targeted. It's, it's one of these things
00:40:51.480
where there was always the relationship between the managers of the American empire and the citizens
00:40:58.760
of the American homeland is broken down. And that has played itself out in the story of the censorship
00:41:02.760
industry, which I really see as my mission for the story to tell. Now, the censorship industry,
00:41:09.800
you're saying is actually an offshoot of, it's a combination of the administrative state,
00:41:16.040
the actual functions of national security and intelligence and law enforcement in the American
00:41:20.520
administrative state and big tech outside, correct? It's a combination. It's a private,
00:41:26.760
it's a public private partnership. It's a great way to put it. Yes. You know,
00:41:31.160
now the term that they use is whole of society. There's a whole of society counter mis-dis and
00:41:36.040
malinformation network that they, uh, now this is, this is their terminology. And what it,
00:41:40.760
what it means is it takes four separate classes of institutions, federal government agencies,
00:41:47.000
private sector companies, civil society institutions, and media and fact checking groups,
00:41:52.360
and has them all working as a synchronized network to be able to censor emerging narratives
00:41:56.840
or political groups who, who essentially pose a political challenge for the foreign policy establishment.
00:42:02.120
And those, those private sector institutions, I mean, I can go on at that length,
00:42:06.840
but I'll look like you were going to, yeah, no, hang on for one second. Cause I want to,
00:42:10.680
I want to take it. We're going to take a break here and come back. I want to break it down. I want
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to talk about CPAC. Uh, we want a, uh, a big turnout at CPAC. So we still got the tickets under a hundred
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So the, for the, for the final drive, uh, between now and election day, we are fighting as one unit.
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Uh, it's quite important. So you're going to have many of the contributors that you've seen,
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I will be there maybe even as the master ceremonies. How's that? How about that?
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You created a bit of a firestorm in Washington this week when you sounded the alarm
00:45:50.080
about the national security threat related to a Russian anti-satellite weapon. The New York Times
00:45:55.840
is now reporting that the concern is whether Russia might put a real nuclear weapon in space.
00:46:02.000
Based on the intelligence you have seen, how serious is the threat?
00:46:06.000
Well, the threat is very serious. Everyone who's looked at it uses the same language that I have,
00:46:12.800
that it is a very serious threat. I'm very glad that the administration is beginning to take action.
00:46:19.520
Okay. This guy is a total complete liar. Okay. He did this. This is all about his buddies in Ukraine.
00:46:26.720
He had just been over there seeing Zelensky rubbing up on, you know, rubbing up on Zelensky.
00:46:31.760
This was all to try to scare this audience and say, oh gosh, you know, maybe we should give the 60 billion to Ukraine.
00:46:40.240
Benj, you see this all the time. This is a perfect example of using a useful idiot like Turner to put out what the deep state wants to put out
00:46:48.080
because the deep state's got so many dark secrets in Ukraine that they got to keep the grift going.
00:46:53.360
Are people, if they don't get the money, they're going to start spilling the beans, bro.
00:46:57.120
So walk me through the Turner incident of last week as a classic example of what you've warned us about.
00:47:02.800
Yeah. Well, this is really the GOP civil war between the populist and the globalist side of the GOP playing out in real time.
00:47:11.200
You know, this is why we were sort of teeing this up in the last segment on this is not Republican versus Democrat or conservative versus liberal.
00:47:19.920
It's foreign policy establishment versus populism.
00:47:22.180
You see, there's the U.S. The GOP for a century now has essentially drawn its political strength and its representation in Washington
00:47:36.740
as being essentially sponsored by military energy and chamber of commerce backers.
00:47:45.940
That is, the military industrial complex was primarily a Republican institution in the 20th century with our essentially our production facilities in California and Texas.
00:48:04.740
And you had the energy, the oil and gas companies, which were the largest companies in the world for the 20th century.
00:48:12.940
And until big tech essentially matured in the 2010s, all the major top 10 market size corporations were oil and gas companies.
00:48:25.040
And you had the sort of chamber of commerce blue chips that primarily supported Republicans because Republicans were for low taxes.
00:48:34.680
They were for free markets and free enterprise.
00:48:36.740
And they exported those values abroad, which meant that there was a powerful Pentagon State Department and intelligence apparatus to be able to ensure territorial control over resources in countries who were exercising resource nationalism that might box out our big oil and gas companies or private companies selling goods and services to foreign markets.
00:49:00.240
And that was something where there was, I think there was some synchronicity between the globalist and the nationalist side of the GOP during the 20th century, again, until globalism really started to erode that synchronicity.
00:49:16.620
And what you have now is the major party establishment in Congress for the GOP is still on the globalist side, but you have this growing faction and by far the most popular faction at the base level that is for populism.
00:49:32.680
So, again, you have this divide where you have Turner representing essentially the managers of the American homeland and you have the populist side of the GOP representing the people who live here.
00:49:46.940
I'm sorry, Turner representing the empire essentially and the populist representing the homeland.
00:49:52.540
And you have this divide where now there's so much money that goes to the managers of the empire and none of it comes back home to us.
00:50:00.220
You know, we have, what, $20 trillion in debt and our PISA scores are falling way behind even second world countries.
00:50:07.800
El Salvador has a better murder rate than any of our major cities.
00:50:12.300
It's, you know, we're falling apart and the people and what remaining wealth that we have is being used to go straight into the coffers of peoples whose interests are all international, not actually for the people who live here.
00:50:26.320
And so, you know, the issue is, is Washington is controlled by the empire forces, not by the forces of the homeland.
00:50:32.960
And, you know, Trump's election in 2016 was really the first time that the foreign policy establishment had its back broken at the electoral level by a populist surge.
00:50:46.440
I think they would have done this to Bernie Sanders, too, because he also wanted to roll back before he, I would say, bent the knee.
00:50:53.780
He, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, he bent, he's all, it's a, it's a, it's a pillow fight with him.
00:51:00.700
Clintons were the epitome of this, the empire managers, right?
00:51:05.520
Both Democrats, the Bushes and the Clintons, those two apparatuses that have been involved in every election, I don't know, for 40 years.
00:51:10.700
It's, is that Bernie Sanders, if you're going to go, if you're going to go for the king, you got to go for a head wound.
00:51:17.460
And he just, he's a, he's a, he's a lot, he just yammers on, yammers on, yammers on, right?
00:51:22.940
And the Bernie, he's not going to do anything if Bernie Sanders is going to take on the deep state.
00:51:25.840
You think Bernie Sanders is going to take on the administrative state?
00:51:35.740
And this is why they had what I call the nullification project started immediately.
00:51:40.760
This whole nonsense with the Russian collusion.
00:51:43.640
Now we know what 26 of us, 26 of us were, were not just targeted by Brennan, but Brennan then farmed it out to the five eyes, to his five eye buddies to make sure that Trump's inner circle was completely monitored.
00:52:04.480
If anybody's got the time, you definitely should watch it.
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We've got Mike Benz here, one of the officials from Trump's first term, and by God, he's got to be a senior guy in the second term.
00:52:16.380
So we're going to take a short commercial break.
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