Bannon's War Room - Episode 3409： Live From CPAC International Panel

00:00:01.000 This is the primal scream of a dying regime.

00:00:06.000 Pray for our enemies,

00:00:08.000 because we're going medieval on these people.

00:00:11.000 Here's another time I got a free shot

00:00:13.000 at all these networks lying about the people.

00:00:16.000 The people have had a belly full of it.

00:00:18.000 I know you don't like hearing that.

00:00:19.000 I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that,

00:00:21.000 but you're not going to stop it.

00:00:22.000 It's going to happen.

00:00:23.000 And where do people like that go to share the big lie?

00:00:26.000 MAGA Media.

00:00:28.000 I wish in my soul,

00:00:30.000 I wish that any of these people had a conscience.

00:00:33.000 Ask yourself,

00:00:34.000 what is my task and what is my purpose?

00:00:37.000 If that answer is to save my country,

00:00:40.000 this country will be saved.

00:00:43.000 War Room.

00:00:44.000 Here's your host, Stephen K. Band.

00:00:53.000 Welcome to War Room.

00:00:55.000 It is February 21st in the year of our Lord 2024.

00:00:59.000 I am here at CPAC in National Harbor, Maryland,

00:01:03.000 outside of Washington, D.C.

00:01:05.000 here with our own host of Law & Border, Ben Berkwam.

00:01:09.000 Ben, it's great to be at CPAC this year.

00:01:11.000 Yes, it's awesome.

00:01:12.000 And by the way,

00:01:13.000 Steve just kicked off an amazing four and a half hour long event.

00:01:16.000 Action, action, action.

00:01:18.000 He's going to be bringing it to you live the entire time here.

00:01:20.000 So stay tuned for that.

00:01:22.000 We've got some incredible speakers.

00:01:23.000 Laura Trump's going to be coming up here on an international summit in just a minute. 1.00

00:01:27.000 I'm wearing multiple hats.

00:01:28.000 So for those of you that don't follow me,

00:01:30.000 and shout out to the War Room Posse and everybody who's already out here.

00:01:33.000 We're in an awesome place this year.

00:01:35.000 You've got a guy with a cat on his shoulder walking through.

00:01:37.000 You see everything at CPAC.

00:01:38.000 It's incredible.

00:01:39.000 But this is,

00:01:40.000 so those of you that don't know,

00:01:42.000 when I travel,

00:01:43.000 I MAGA travel.

00:01:44.000 I ultra MAGA.

00:01:45.000 I ultra extreme MAGA travel.

00:01:47.000 So that, you know,

00:01:48.000 when we're going through these airports,

00:01:49.000 I want the left to know where I'm coming from.

00:01:51.000 Where are you staying?

00:01:52.000 We got the cat in the background.

00:01:53.000 We actually got the cat in the background.

00:01:55.000 All right.

00:01:56.000 All right.

00:01:57.000 It's on the fly.

00:01:58.000 What's her name?

00:01:59.000 The cat's name is Jixi,

00:02:00.000 and she's going to Sea Cat.

00:02:01.000 Okay.

00:02:02.000 She's going to Sea Cat.

00:02:03.000 Sea Cat.

00:02:04.000 Thank you, sir.

00:02:05.000 I think you might have just started a new opera,

00:02:06.000 a new event.

00:02:07.000 I love that.

00:02:08.000 But I also,

00:02:09.000 so just so you guys know,

00:02:10.000 I rock many hats.

00:02:11.000 So you mostly see me in the Real America's Voice hat.

00:02:13.000 This is it.

00:02:14.000 Yes.

00:02:15.000 But I'm going to be heading to Panama.

00:02:16.000 Actually,

00:02:17.000 Oscar's down there right now to the Darien Gap next week.

00:02:20.000 And I want to give a huge shout out to Patriot Mobile,

00:02:23.000 PatriotMobile.com,

00:02:24.000 promo code RAV,

00:02:26.000 who's sponsoring that trip.

00:02:27.000 It's incredible.

00:02:28.000 Oh, nice.

00:02:29.000 War Room's going to be incredible.

00:02:30.000 Sea Cat's going to be incredible.

00:02:31.000 We are pumped.

00:02:32.000 Yeah.

00:02:33.000 Well, tell us, Ben, about the event,

00:02:34.000 the Forest Multiplier Academy that you were at all day today.

00:02:37.000 Steve Bannon hosted it, War Room.

00:02:39.000 What did you learn today?

00:02:41.000 You know,

00:02:42.000 it's really about what you can do to,

00:02:45.000 to have an impact,

00:02:46.000 to be a force multiplier.

00:02:47.000 Steve calls it in your community.

00:02:49.000 So wherever that might be,

00:02:50.000 whether that's on elections,

00:02:52.000 whether that's in social media,

00:02:53.000 whether that's on the media side of things.

00:02:55.000 So a lot coming out a lot.

00:02:57.000 We had some incredible guests out there,

00:02:59.000 you know, Frank Gaffney from Real America's Voice News,

00:03:01.000 talking about the CCP,

00:03:03.000 China and the,

00:03:04.000 the existential threats to our country.

00:03:06.000 But mainly it's about what you guys can do.

00:03:09.000 So that's,

00:03:10.000 you know,

00:03:11.000 using the app,

00:03:12.000 the War Room app to,

00:03:13.000 to contact your representatives.

00:03:15.000 It's impacting people through social media.

00:03:17.000 It's,

00:03:18.000 you know,

00:03:19.000 through writing books and,

00:03:20.000 and getting,

00:03:21.000 having an influence,

00:03:22.000 not just sitting there and arguing on Twitter or arguing on Telegram or,

00:03:27.000 you know,

00:03:28.000 it's,

00:03:29.000 it's actually having an impact in your community.

00:03:30.000 What can I do to make a difference instead of just a lot of people feel like,

00:03:33.000 what can they do?

00:03:34.000 Right?

00:03:35.000 They're so upset.

00:03:36.000 They're so frustrated.

00:03:37.000 And they're like,

00:03:38.000 what can I do?

00:03:39.000 So it was kind of like a step-by-step what you can do in your community,

00:03:42.000 in your local area to make a difference.

00:03:44.000 Absolutely.

00:03:45.000 That's it.

00:03:46.000 And that's the whole point because people come to this,

00:03:48.000 especially this year,

00:03:49.000 this is,

00:03:50.000 you hear this,

00:03:51.000 it's become kind of a platitude,

00:03:52.000 but you know,

00:03:53.000 we say this is the most important election of our lifetime.

00:03:54.000 You hear that in 2016,

00:03:55.000 you hear that in 2020,

00:03:56.000 but seriously,

00:03:57.000 this year,

00:03:58.000 it's not an exaggeration because we're at a divergent place in American history.

00:04:04.000 And you,

00:04:05.000 it was never clearer than it is right now.

00:04:07.000 When you have people on the left that want to destroy this country.

00:04:10.000 And all you have to do is look at what they're doing on the border.

00:04:12.000 You have,

00:04:13.000 you have Hamas marching in the streets of America alongside of Antifa and BLM.

00:04:18.000 And these are the people that are dictating to the people that are running our government right now,

00:04:23.000 policy.

00:04:24.000 Yeah.

00:04:25.000 That's one trajectory that we could continue down.

00:04:28.000 Or you have the other one back to America first, 0.98

00:04:31.000 resetting American values,

00:04:32.000 getting America back to the country that it was founded on.

00:04:36.000 It's,

00:04:37.000 you know,

00:04:38.000 that,

00:04:39.000 that those are the stakes.

00:04:40.000 It's really the destruction and death of America or the rebuilding life and light of America.

00:04:43.000 Yeah.

00:04:44.000 And like it says in the Bible,

00:04:45.000 what is good is called evil.

00:04:46.000 Yep.

00:04:47.000 And what is evil is called good today.

00:04:48.000 We're really living in those,

00:04:49.000 those times.

00:04:50.000 Absolutely.

00:04:51.000 They're,

00:04:52.000 they're just distorting everything.

00:04:53.000 Like you said,

00:04:54.000 you have Antifa,

00:04:55.000 you have Hamas, 0.97

00:04:56.000 and they're looking at them in support and you're standing in support of them. 0.85

00:04:59.000 And they're clearly evil.

00:05:00.000 Yeah.

00:05:01.000 But one thing that you,

00:05:02.000 yeah.

00:05:03.000 Or no,

00:05:04.000 no,

00:05:05.000 go ahead.

00:05:06.000 I mean,

00:05:07.000 shout out to Ken Paxton,

00:05:08.000 attorney general from Texas today.

00:05:09.000 Uh,

00:05:10.000 you know,

00:05:11.000 even the ones,

00:05:12.000 we know the ones that are evil that,

00:05:13.000 that you know are evil.

00:05:14.000 Um,

00:05:15.000 but the,

00:05:16.000 it's the,

00:05:17.000 the ones that pretend to be good that are the worst to me.

00:05:18.000 Yeah.

00:05:19.000 And he actually announced that they're going to be going after the NGOs.

00:05:21.000 Speaking of issues that matter.

00:05:22.000 Yeah.

00:05:23.000 The impact on our Southern border,

00:05:24.000 the destruction of our,

00:05:25.000 of our,

00:05:26.000 of American sovereignty through our borders.

00:05:28.000 Ken Paxton and Texas are going to be going directly after the NGOs that are aiding and abetting the invasion of our country.

00:05:34.000 So that's one of those things you want to know what you can do to have an impact,

00:05:37.000 go after these organizations,

00:05:39.000 go after your legislature to defund these organizations.

00:05:42.000 And ultimately we need to end up prosecuting them as well.

00:05:45.000 Cause you're down on the border and you see a lot of those NGOs and you see how they're actually breaking the law right in front of you.

00:05:51.000 Yeah.

00:05:52.000 Yeah.

00:05:53.000 With our dollars,

00:05:54.000 with our tax dollars.

00:05:55.000 So we're paying for it.

00:05:56.000 And we are destroying our country with our own money by these organizations.

00:06:00.000 And it goes across the board.

00:06:02.000 That was,

00:06:03.000 that was one of the things in,

00:06:04.000 in the,

00:06:05.000 uh,

00:06:06.000 the summit today with Steve and the war room was connecting the dots,

00:06:08.000 whether that's,

00:06:09.000 uh,

00:06:10.000 AI and,

00:06:11.000 and,

00:06:12.000 you know,

00:06:13.000 the impact that has on our lives or schools and,

00:06:14.000 you know,

00:06:15.000 transgenderism and your kids education.

00:06:16.000 Uh,

00:06:17.000 and you know,

00:06:18.000 my,

00:06:19.000 our choice to homeschool our daughters to the, 0.99

00:06:20.000 the Southern border,

00:06:21.000 to election integrity,

00:06:22.000 all of that.

00:06:23.000 Joe Allen.

00:06:24.000 I think Joe Allen's hanging out over here.

00:06:25.000 We're going to have him on in just a minute,

00:06:26.000 but all of this has a direct impact and it's all organized by the same enemies of this nation.

00:06:31.000 Yeah.

00:06:32.000 And are you really seeing,

00:06:33.000 I talked to a lot of people at that event today as,

00:06:35.000 as well.

00:06:36.000 They came from all over the country.

00:06:38.000 They had to get babysitters.

00:06:39.000 They had to,

00:06:40.000 you know,

00:06:41.000 it's an inconvenience for a lot of people to come here,

00:06:43.000 but they're coming.

00:06:44.000 Yeah.

00:06:45.000 And you,

00:06:46.000 do you think you're going to see a full house anticipated attendance?

00:06:48.000 Yeah.

00:06:49.000 And,

00:06:50.000 you know,

00:06:51.000 it's interesting.

00:06:52.000 Uh,

00:06:53.000 Matt Schlapp was up there.

00:06:54.000 He had his pirates hat on for the,

00:06:55.000 Matt Schlapp and Mercedes Schlapp,

00:06:56.000 the creators of CPAC.

00:06:57.000 And these,

00:06:58.000 you know,

00:06:59.000 the news media,

00:07:00.000 the propaganda media,

00:07:01.000 really the enemy of the people, 0.94

00:07:02.000 as president Trump calls them.

00:07:03.000 Uh,

00:07:04.000 we could talk a whole subject about that,

00:07:05.000 how they've,

00:07:06.000 they've been instrumental in the destruction of America.

00:07:08.000 They're already writing stories about the negative CPAC and,

00:07:13.000 and all of the,

00:07:14.000 the bad that's going to happen in CPAC.

00:07:15.000 Yeah.

00:07:16.000 You already see it.

00:07:17.000 And you see the people here and it's like,

00:07:18.000 man,

00:07:19.000 the people are hopeful.

00:07:20.000 The people want to see America stave.

00:07:21.000 It's the exact opposite.

00:07:22.000 So whatever is reported in the mainstream media,

00:07:25.000 you should basically just take that and say it's the opposite.

00:07:28.000 Yeah.

00:07:29.000 I mean,

00:07:30.000 there is more,

00:07:31.000 they had to have more chairs brought in today for Steve's event.

00:07:32.000 That was incredible.

00:07:33.000 Than they anticipated.

00:07:34.000 The standing room only.

00:07:35.000 The standing room only.

00:07:36.000 It went longer than was anticipated.

00:07:37.000 It was a full house.

00:07:38.000 And this is the battle in America.

00:07:41.000 It's the establishment,

00:07:42.000 the Nikki Haley's,

00:07:43.000 the Ronna McDaniels,

00:07:44.000 all of these establishments that are stabbing,

00:07:47.000 constantly stabbing in the back.

00:07:48.000 We're not only having to deal.

00:07:49.000 Seeking up Nikki Haley.

00:07:50.000 She's not here.

00:07:51.000 Of course not.

00:07:52.000 She'd get booed out of the building. 0.99

00:07:53.000 Yeah.

00:07:54.000 She,

00:07:55.000 it's not only that we have to deal with the enemies that are coming to our front.

00:07:58.000 It's not,

00:07:59.000 you know,

00:08:00.000 just Joe Biden and George Soros and all of these leftists,

00:08:02.000 the fake news media,

00:08:03.000 CNN,

00:08:04.000 MSNBC,

00:08:05.000 Morning Joe,

00:08:06.000 Morning Mika,

00:08:07.000 all these guys.

00:08:08.000 It's the ones that claim to be on our side, 0.92

00:08:09.000 constantly stabbing us in the back.

00:08:10.000 We would crush the enemy. 1.00

00:08:11.000 We would crush them. 0.99

00:08:12.000 And we will crush the enemy. 0.98

00:08:13.000 If we were united as the Republican party.

00:08:15.000 But even with that, 0.93

00:08:16.000 we will crush them. 0.98

00:08:17.000 But it is, 1.00

00:08:18.000 it is those people.

00:08:19.000 It's the Nikki Haley's who is,

00:08:20.000 think about this.

00:08:21.000 She is betting on the left winning and taking down President Trump.

00:08:25.000 She's basically being paid off by Democrats to run in open primaries, 1.00

00:08:29.000 betting that President Trump is going to be taken out by the deep state in this law fair that we have going against President Trump.

00:08:35.000 Thinking that somehow that will gain her victory on the Republican side.

00:08:39.000 She may as well be working for the enemy.

00:08:41.000 Yeah.

00:08:42.000 Well, absolutely.

00:08:43.000 She's going to be dividing the vote there. 1.00

00:08:44.000 And like you said,

00:08:45.000 pulling from the Democrat vote.

00:08:46.000 And do you think that she's going to continue then, Ben,

00:08:49.000 after South Carolina?

00:08:50.000 Because it's going to be very humiliating,

00:08:52.000 especially in her home state.

00:08:54.000 I think the only,

00:08:55.000 so there's,

00:08:56.000 there's only two options at this point.

00:08:57.000 She is,

00:08:58.000 she's doing this because she's getting paid off. 0.98

00:09:00.000 And she's in it for some sort of financial benefit to herself.

00:09:03.000 Yeah.

00:09:04.000 Or she really believes that she's in a place that if,

00:09:07.000 if they take President Trump out,

00:09:09.000 if these,

00:09:10.000 these fraudulent indictments against President Trump are successful,

00:09:13.000 and you see what they're doing in New York,

00:09:15.000 somehow they're able to get President Trump off the ballot,

00:09:17.000 that she will be in that position to take that spot.

00:09:20.000 And if that's her mindset,

00:09:21.000 I don't see her stopping.

00:09:23.000 The problem is she automatically loses. 0.88

00:09:25.000 She's already doing the work of the Democrats because she'll never get my vote. 1.00

00:09:28.000 I will sit out of voting rather than voting for someone who bet against America,

00:09:32.000 who bet for our enemies.

00:09:33.000 Yeah.

00:09:34.000 Who are,

00:09:35.000 so some of the speakers that are here this weekend,

00:09:37.000 who are some of the ones that you're really looking forward to hearing from?

00:09:40.000 Well,

00:09:41.000 by the way,

00:09:42.000 I want to say one other thing about that event with,

00:09:44.000 with Steve Bannon,

00:09:45.000 the war room,

00:09:46.000 the posse.

00:09:47.000 There's a reason why that built,

00:09:48.000 that,

00:09:49.000 that room was full.

00:09:50.000 500 people are in that room,

00:09:51.000 standing room only.

00:09:52.000 It's because MAGA is ascendant.

00:09:53.000 And that's,

00:09:54.000 as,

00:09:55.000 as the,

00:09:56.000 the,

00:09:57.000 the mainstream and as the establishment are in their death throes and don't know what

00:10:00.000 to do and are spending their time attacking MAGA.

00:10:03.000 MAGA is growing.

00:10:04.000 And that's why that room is full.

00:10:06.000 And that's why the,

00:10:07.000 the folks that are coming to this are MAGA.

00:10:09.000 And that's what DC is so afraid of.

00:10:10.000 That's what DC,

00:10:11.000 the establishment,

00:10:12.000 Rick Brunel,

00:10:13.000 we've got all kinds of amazing people that are going to be here.

00:10:16.000 That's why they are so afraid because they know if we coalesce,

00:10:21.000 if we come together as a people,

00:10:23.000 especially in places like the inner city of Chicago,

00:10:26.000 as they're losing the black vote and Hispanic vote,

00:10:28.000 there is nothing, 0.98

00:10:29.000 they cannot create enough fraud to steal it again.

00:10:33.000 Yeah.

00:10:34.000 Speaking of that,

00:10:35.000 my,

00:10:36.000 the,

00:10:37.000 the person I'm really looking forward,

00:10:38.000 you know,

00:10:39.000 Vivek,

00:10:40.000 he's on right now,

00:10:41.000 I believe actually,

00:10:42.000 or he's on just a little bit ago.

00:10:43.000 Laura Trump's coming up in South Carolina.

00:10:45.000 Uh,

00:10:46.000 uh,

00:10:47.000 but Bukele is one from El Salvador.

00:10:48.000 I'm really looking forward to seeing,

00:10:49.000 you know,

00:10:50.000 you talk about an example.

00:10:51.000 I,

00:10:52.000 we were actually down in El Salvador,

00:10:53.000 Oscar and I,

00:10:54.000 this summer,

00:10:55.000 you talking about an example for what Central America should be doing.

00:10:58.000 He's really the MAGA of Central America.

00:11:00.000 Talk about that,

00:11:01.000 especially on the border with the,

00:11:03.000 um,

00:11:04.000 cartels.

00:11:05.000 He was very strong on the cartels.

00:11:07.000 He took,

00:11:08.000 it's incredible.

00:11:09.000 Look at El Salvador.

00:11:10.000 Just look up news stories of El Salvador.

00:11:13.000 News stories of El Salvador.

00:11:14.000 Prior to 2015 to now.

00:11:17.000 President Bukele took a country that was the most dangerous country in the world.

00:11:23.000 You know,

00:11:24.000 we think of MS-13.

00:11:25.000 You talk about MS-13 in America.

00:11:27.000 That is MS-13.

00:11:28.000 It was created in America,

00:11:30.000 but those are all,

00:11:31.000 uh,

00:11:32.000 El Salvadoran gangs.

00:11:33.000 So they,

00:11:34.000 they were basically created in American prisons,

00:11:36.000 went back down to El Salvador,

00:11:37.000 took the country over.

00:11:38.000 MS-13 and Barrio 18 went down,

00:11:40.000 took over the country of El Salvador,

00:11:42.000 and basically had people living in fear for a decade.

00:11:45.000 President Bukele came in and within months went in and destroyed the entire network,

00:11:52.000 has 60,000 of these low life,

00:11:55.000 evil demons in prison,

00:11:57.000 and has turned that country from a,

00:12:00.000 a beacon of darkness and evil and death to a beacon of light.

00:12:04.000 And really the one shining example in Central America for the rest of Central America to emulate.

00:12:10.000 It is an incredible, incredible story.

00:12:12.000 Yeah.

00:12:13.000 And how does that impact impact what he's doing there impact our border?

00:12:17.000 Well,

00:12:18.000 hugely because you're not getting El Salvadorans coming.

00:12:21.000 Exactly.

00:12:22.000 The only ones that you're getting from El Salvador now that are coming illegally are the MS-13 members that are trying to get away from El Salvador,

00:12:27.000 that are fleeing there because he's actually holding them accountable.

00:12:30.000 Thankfully,

00:12:31.000 he caught most of them,

00:12:32.000 but their family members are starting to flee and come up here.

00:12:35.000 And his tactics are very strong,

00:12:36.000 right?

00:12:37.000 Yes.

00:12:38.000 But the people of El Salvador are,

00:12:40.000 are staying in El Salvador because they see a future for their country.

00:12:43.000 So it is the example of what other countries should be doing that,

00:12:47.000 that others aren't.

00:12:48.000 And so really,

00:12:49.000 to me,

00:12:50.000 it's Bukele in El Salvador.

00:12:51.000 You look at some of what's happening in Panama.

00:12:53.000 We're going to be heading back down there with Oscar at the end of this week.

00:12:55.000 I'll be joining Oscar down there.

00:12:56.000 And then Milay in Chile.

00:12:58.000 So there are a few examples of,

00:13:00.000 of what's good.

00:13:01.000 And then of course,

00:13:02.000 I know we're going to throw to the stage here in a second.

00:13:03.000 Of course,

00:13:04.000 President Trump on Saturday.

00:13:05.000 I think obviously that's the headline.

00:13:07.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:13:08.000 But let's go over.

00:13:09.000 I believe the international summit is about to begin.

00:13:13.000 So we will tune in there.

00:13:15.000 Give us understanding and what you need us to do to serve your purpose

00:13:20.000 and to help unify this incredible movement that has expanded broadly across the globe.

00:13:27.000 We ask you to bless us,

00:13:30.000 to bless our families,

00:13:31.000 to bless those who are traveling from far away,

00:13:33.000 to be here to join us in order to protect our values and our freedom and our God given rights.

00:13:41.000 We ask this God with you.

00:13:44.000 Amen.

00:13:45.000 I love always starting off with a prayer or reading Gordon Chang's Twitter feed,

00:13:52.000 which is kind of like a constant prayer.

00:13:54.000 So very strong game, Gordon.

00:13:58.000 We're going to change things up a little bit.

00:14:01.000 I want to start off, Steve, you're used to this, but we're going to put you on the hot seat.

00:14:07.000 Could you do some table setting about maybe just a couple of minutes on why what we're doing in these countries and our collaboration with them are so important?

00:14:18.000 And the reason why it's important to start with Steve is, as Jay Aiba knows, Steve made that first trip out to CPAC Japan and caused quite a...

00:14:29.000 I've never been to a press conference quite like that, Steve Bannon, going to Tokyo.

00:14:33.000 But, Steve, can you kind of set the table here about what we're doing and why it's important?

00:14:36.000 Well, I think it's one thing for us to say it, but I brought this week's economists, and it's the economists saying it, right?

00:14:43.000 The economists, and remember, the Economist magazine is the tip sheet for the globalists.

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00:16:10.000 Right?

00:16:11.000 They absolutely detest everything that populist nationalists do.

00:16:15.000 And, of course, here they call it national conservatism.

00:16:18.000 But they talk about the rise of the national conservatism movement in Europe and other places throughout the world.

00:16:25.000 I think CPAC and what you guys have done over the last couple of years of going there and actually reaching out to people and having those people respond.

00:16:33.000 I mean, these CPACs have been unbelievable, whether it's been Brazil or Mexico or, of course, Hungary, Japan.

00:16:40.000 And I think you see a commonality of what's happening.

00:16:44.000 We have these converging crises.

00:16:47.000 I think the biggest crises may be this massive amount of debt that we have, the $300 trillion of debt that we have globally, and that no one government has a path to get out of here.

00:17:03.000 That is going to converge in a couple of years and lead to a massive financial crisis that will dwarf 2008 and will dwarf what happened in 1929.

00:17:12.000 And right now we don't have a political class that can deal with that. 0.91

00:17:16.000 In addition, you've got the beginning of a kinetic Third World War on the Eurasian landmass that has many attributes of even the Second World War.

00:17:25.000 But you've got a kinetic war underway right now.

00:17:29.000 And underlying all that is a mass invasion of Europe and a mass invasion of the United States.

00:17:36.000 Those three crises are all going to converge here in the next couple of years.

00:17:40.000 And governments are going to fall because of that.

00:17:43.000 And that's why I think the populist movement, the nationalist movement, is going to be a solution to make sure that the people that are citizens of these countries, citizens of individual countries, are going to have a response to the populist nationalist movement or the national conservative movement or whatever it's called in Europe today.

00:18:01.000 So I think this conference, when you say where globalism comes to die, I just don't think it's tongue in cheek.

00:18:08.000 I think it's absolutely dead serious.

00:18:10.000 And on top of that is obviously the Chinese Communist Party and how they're in the back of a lot of this and they're spreading money all over. 0.58

00:18:17.000 So three converging crises that no individual government to date has come up with a solution for that we're going to have to work together because we're not isolationist.

00:18:26.000 We're the last thing from isolationist.

00:18:28.000 We believe in the Treaty of Westphalia and the Westphalian system.

00:18:32.000 We will make sure we bequeath that system and our constitutional republic and your great countries to generations to come if we fight now for the next two or three years.

00:18:45.000 So this conference, this meeting, in and of itself, relies the two main charges, which is, first of all, we hate people that look different from us or talk different from us and that we're isolationists.

00:18:56.000 We're doing more diplomacy and good work than all these globalists ever thought about doing.

00:19:01.000 And I was thinking here, as I sit at this table, I'm with three survivors, three high-ranking Trump officials who made a big difference in the world.

00:19:09.000 I'm not so sure I survived.

00:19:11.000 Okay, fair enough.

00:19:14.000 No comment.

00:19:15.000 But Rick Grinnell is a new member.

00:19:17.000 And KT McFarlane over there, she's another one. 1.00

00:19:20.000 Rick Grinnell and Carla Sands, of course, another one.

00:19:23.000 So, like, we got more.

00:19:25.000 We got more out there.

00:19:26.000 Rick Grinnell, we're proud to have you on the board of CPAC.

00:19:29.000 You played an important role in putting together our approach to foreign policy at the CPAC.

00:19:36.000 We have this interesting question about, you know, what is the Trump doctrine?

00:19:41.000 What is Trump's view of what should be happening in terms of American diplomacy?

00:19:46.000 And you've advised him on these questions.

00:19:48.000 So maybe you can help table set why these two things coming together are important.

00:19:53.000 So thanks, Matt, thanks, Mercedes, for organizing this conference.

00:20:00.000 It's amazing to be here yet again.

00:20:03.000 I'm struck by the fact that Ronald Reagan and Donald Trump are the two who consistently keep coming to CPAC, right?

00:20:12.000 We know that Ronald Reagan always came to CPAC.

00:20:15.000 Donald Trump is always coming to CPAC.

00:20:17.000 And Ronald Reagan and Donald Trump have one thing that really stands out, that they're both about peace through strength.

00:20:27.000 They're not wimps, but they want peace.

00:20:31.000 And peace is popular.

00:20:33.000 And look no further than the four years of the Trump administration, where we get to say Vladimir Putin did not invade and start a war.

00:20:46.000 We didn't have war between Arabs and Israelis.

00:20:50.000 We had peace accords between the Arabs and the Israelis.

00:20:54.000 We had no war in Europe.

00:20:57.000 We warned Europe to pay your fair share.

00:21:00.000 We told Europe you shouldn't be having a Putin pipeline into Europe.

00:21:06.000 That Russian pipeline was sanctioned by the Trump administration.

00:21:10.000 And that Russian pipeline had the sanctions dropped at the request of Chancellor Merkel to Joe Biden.

00:21:19.000 And Joe Biden and the Democrats immediately voted to drop the sanctions on Nord Stream 2.

00:21:26.000 I think when you combine the attack on energy and the fact that you don't have individuals who are willing to do tough diplomacy, you know, the Liberal Party in America, the Democrats, mocked tough diplomats.

00:21:48.000 Every time we had a diplomat that was out front doing something tough, they said, you're being mean to our allies.

00:21:55.000 And I would argue that when you have a credible threat of military action, you don't need to use that threat.

00:22:04.000 You don't need to use the military action.

00:22:07.000 Because people believe, like Ronald Reagan and Donald Trump, that they mean what they say.

00:22:16.000 And that they just may do something that's unpredictable.

00:22:20.000 And that's the recipe for peace.

00:22:23.000 So we get to go into November of 2024 and say the economy was better.

00:22:30.000 We had more peace.

00:22:32.000 You're the party of war. 0.92

00:22:33.000 And I think, you know what, I've waited 25 years to be the party of peace and the other side be the party of war.

00:22:42.000 And let's remember, we should start every conversation and finish every conversation by saying, Vladimir Putin wants Joe Biden to be reelected.

00:22:51.000 Yeah, amen.

00:22:55.000 And as we discussed in our board meeting, Joe Biden is using some Vladimir Putin tactics to keep his opponent off the stage as well, which is really repugnant.

00:23:05.000 And we'll be talking about that later in the meeting.

00:23:07.000 So the intent is for this to be conversational.

00:23:10.000 Feel free if you have a comment to interrupt.

00:23:12.000 I can't wait to hear from Nigel.

00:23:14.000 And KT has some special comments about you, Nigel.

00:23:17.000 We appreciate you being here with us.

00:23:19.000 And so, KT, would you like to – KT, former Deputy National Security Advisor to President Trump and advisor to President Reagan, understands peace through strength because she helped live it and develop it and is a wonderful and outstanding and talented member of our board.

00:23:33.000 So, KT, take it away.

00:23:35.000 I would, first of all, thank you, everybody, for what you've said, and particularly thank you, everyone from all over the world who's attended.

00:23:42.000 I think it's important right now to acknowledge one person who's here, and that's Nigel Farage.

00:23:48.000 Because every movement needs the spark.

00:23:55.000 And 30 years ago, Nigel Farage, member of the Conservative Party, the Tory party of Great Britain, with a potentially fantastic political career in front of him, walked away and founded his own party.

00:24:08.000 And he led the nationalist movement.

00:24:11.000 If it wasn't for Nigel Farage, Britain would still be right in the middle of the European Union.

00:24:15.000 He was the champion of Brexit. 0.96

00:24:17.000 And so, I really think hats off to you, Nigel.

00:24:19.000 You started it all.

00:24:21.000 And now, for a little housekeeping.

00:24:28.000 Everyone here has a big title.

00:24:30.000 And some of you have many titles.

00:24:32.000 We're Americans.

00:24:33.000 We don't believe in titles.

00:24:34.000 We believe in first names.

00:24:36.000 So, we are all going to call you, including former ministers of state and prime ministers, we're going to all call you by your first names.

00:24:42.000 Okay?

00:24:43.000 All good?

00:24:44.000 Number two, I'm a TV person.

00:24:47.000 I know that you can get your point across in a couple of minutes.

00:24:50.000 So, I am going to interrupt nicely and try to get you in a conversational mode by asking questions.

00:24:57.000 So, I'd like to start by asking Nigel, you founded the movement of nationalism in Great Britain.

00:25:03.000 Why?

00:25:04.000 How?

00:25:05.000 What roadblocks did you have as you did this?

00:25:08.000 Well, thank you.

00:25:09.000 And that mercy.

00:25:10.000 How do you make me feel so at home?

00:25:14.000 Thank you for making me feel so at home.

00:25:16.000 The last time I sat at a desk behind a flag like this was the day Britain left the European Parliament. 0.86

00:25:24.000 And I waved my flag.

00:25:26.000 And they cut the microphone off, which said rather a lot, didn't it?

00:25:33.000 It's exciting for me to be here because I first came to CPAC in 2012.

00:25:37.000 And I was the only foreign speaker on the stage.

00:25:42.000 The only one.

00:25:43.000 And as the years have gone by, we've seen more and more people coming together.

00:25:47.000 CPAC itself has been an extraordinary international movement.

00:25:50.000 I've been a couple of times to your Australian events.

00:25:54.000 And you're right.

00:25:55.000 You know, the globalist narrative that somehow we're isolationist, we don't want to work together.

00:26:02.000 Not only do we want to work together internationally, we need to work together internationally to combat the great threats we face in the world.

00:26:11.000 So I'm very excited to be back here.

00:26:13.000 I think it's terrific.

00:26:14.000 And yes, I've been doing this rather a long time.

00:26:17.000 I mean, the Tea Party, they're just a bunch of kids compared to me.

00:26:21.000 I've been doing this forever.

00:26:23.000 Why what?

00:26:24.000 Do you know, it just always seemed to me, Katie, that the nation state was the essential building block that we believed in.

00:26:31.000 The nation state was something that gave us a sense of identity.

00:26:35.000 The nation state was something we were happy, well, sometimes reluctant, but happy to pay our taxes to.

00:26:41.000 The nation state was something that, in extremis, we would be prepared to put on military uniform and go out and defend.

00:26:50.000 The nation state was the extension of our family, if you like.

00:26:54.000 There was a sense of togetherness about the nation state.

00:26:57.000 And provided it was democratic, and it's back to the point that Rick made about peace, you know, there is no example of two mature functioning nation states going to war with each other.

00:27:10.000 Not one single example.

00:27:12.000 It's something I wish the universities taught.

00:27:15.000 So that was my fundamental belief.

00:27:17.000 Democratic nation state, accountability, direct accountability of those that made the laws and made the rules by which we lived.

00:27:26.000 So that was why I started.

00:27:28.000 And I kept going for all those years.

00:27:30.000 Well, really just through sheer bloody mindedness, I think.

00:27:33.000 Total determination.

00:27:35.000 And yes, we got Brexit, which was an amazing achievement.

00:27:38.000 But I think the other threat we face, and you know, Steve has talked about, you know, the massive debt problem, the problems potentially of war in the world.

00:27:48.000 But we also face a huge internal problem.

00:27:51.000 The scenes that we've witnessed today in London, in Parliament Square, and indeed within the House of Commons, is a new phenomenon.

00:28:01.000 Religious sectarianism now beginning to dominate British politics.

00:28:06.000 Parliament Square, as we speak, is full of thousands of people waving Palestinian flags.

00:28:12.000 That somehow what is happening, this religious hatred that exists against Israel, against the Jewish people.

00:28:21.000 And if we're frank about it, this has happened because successive Labour and Conservative governments have pursued completely irresponsible immigration policies, not encouraged integration, not encouraged a sense of working together.

00:28:38.000 And now we have radical Islam is becoming mainstream in British politics. 0.91

00:28:44.000 We will have, by the 2029 general election, we will have a radical Islamic party represented in Westminster.

00:28:51.000 And this is why borders, you can't be a proper country unless you control your borders.

00:28:56.000 And I'm very hopeful that the American people see sense and that put back a president in November that says we must defend our borders.

00:29:04.000 If we lose our borders, if we lose our borders, we lose a significant part of our culture.

00:29:08.000 So I'm delighted to be here.

00:29:10.000 But I think we can talk about the external threats, but the internal threats of religious divide and sectarianism.

00:29:17.000 They're happening to us first.

00:29:19.000 But if you're not very careful, by the way, Hungary is very careful about this sort of thing, and well done you.

00:29:24.000 If we're not careful, all of us will face it.

00:29:27.000 Thank you.

00:29:28.000 So you meant awesome.

00:29:30.000 And as with Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan, you did it first, we did it second.

00:29:35.000 But I want to now turn to Hungary.

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00:31:40.000 Because, as Nigel said, you guys have done it very differently.

00:31:44.000 Now, Miklos, let me start with you, and I'll get to the ambassador in a minute, because we're saving the big guy for last.

00:31:50.000 So, Miklos, tell me about why is Hungary different?

00:31:53.000 I mean, Hungary is a, is it a nationalism thing?

00:31:56.000 Is it a woke, anti-woke thing?

00:31:58.000 Is it an immigration?

00:32:00.000 First of all, thank you very much for the invitation, Matt and Mercy.

00:32:03.000 It's a pleasure to be here again.

00:32:06.000 To put it in a nutshell, the problem, the so-called problem with Hungary is that Hungary is, as I usually say, no country for woke men.

00:32:18.000 So, Hungary stands firmly for the three values of God, homeland, and family.

00:32:25.000 And it's not some kind of nonsense, but very practical things.

00:32:34.000 We enshrined the importance of our Jewish Christian heritage and tradition in our constitution.

00:32:44.000 We do protect our borders.

00:32:47.000 We do, we are trying to protect our state's sovereignty.

00:32:52.000 And we say that the best figure, the best number of illegal migrants is zero. 0.86

00:32:58.000 And actually, in Hungary, the number of illegal migrants within Hungary is zero.

00:33:04.000 And last, and last but not least, we also go against the liberal, globalist, progressive mainstream by refusing this LGBTQ plus ideology. 0.93

00:33:26.000 And we do protect the family, because there is only the family, and we do protect the children, the minors, against this nonsense gender sensitization.

00:33:39.000 So, and to tell the truth, although they are coming with this democracy and rule of law bullshit, sorry for using this word, in and from Brussels, their core problem is with this.

00:33:56.000 That there is a country, there is a government, there is a right-wing force in the heart of Europe, in Central Europe, standing up firmly for those values.

00:34:04.000 And what we see nowadays, from the side of Brussels, Brussels is our deep state.

00:34:12.000 It's like the federal government here in the U.S.

00:34:16.000 We are proud members of the European Union, we Hungarians.

00:34:19.000 But we are members of the European Union because it is in the interest of Hungary, and not because it is the European Union.

00:34:28.000 But what Brussels, the deep state, does nowadays, first of all, politically, institutionally, let's say, is that they are outsourcing decision making from the local level, from the member state level, to the federal level.

00:34:44.000 On a daily basis, they do invent new competences that should be in the hand of Brussels, not in the member states, contrary to the founding treaties of the European Union.

00:34:56.000 And secondly, they do use this federal institutional level to push through their work agenda.

00:35:08.000 Right.

00:35:09.000 So just, sorry, just one last word, last sentence.

00:35:13.000 The EU is keeping back funds, very relevant money for Hungary, which should be money for EU funds for the Hungarians.

00:35:25.000 And the only reason, and this was admitted by the president of the European Commission, von der Leyen, a few weeks ago, that they do withhold that money because of the Hungarian Act on the Protection of the Children, which directly goes again, this LGBT sensitization.

00:35:44.000 So what my point is here, that the ultimate goal that we do have in this election year for the PP elections and for the American elections is to build a global coalition against the globalists.

00:35:59.000 Hey, KT, can I say one thing?

00:36:01.000 Yeah.

00:36:02.000 One of the things I learned in going to your beautiful country is you talk about zero illegal migration or immigration, but yet very generous when it comes to the Ukrainians who have had to flee the war and stuff.

00:36:14.000 So they mischaracterize what that policy is.

00:36:17.000 You allow it when it's the right time to allow it.

00:36:19.000 Of course, Hungary launched its largest humanitarian action program, indeed, for Ukrainian refugees and for Ukrainians in the state of Ukraine.

00:36:32.000 And, of course, they can accuse us of being pro-Putinist, as they do accuse President Trump of being pro-Putinist.

00:36:43.000 But our only goal is to reach ceasefire and peace negotiations.

00:36:49.000 Let me ask the ambassador, let me just interrupt for a second.

00:36:52.000 I'd like to continue on with Hungary and the experiences you're having.

00:36:55.000 You know, you're getting a lot of bad press, right?

00:36:58.000 Viktor Orban, you've been with Viktor Orban from the very beginning.

00:37:01.000 And he is receiving all of the same kind of criticisms Donald Trump is.

00:37:05.000 In fact, people call him the Donald Trump of Europe.

00:37:07.000 So can you talk to us about the pushback you're getting from your European allies and what the pushback you're getting,

00:37:13.000 probably from your own government in a lot of ways, your elite establishment?

00:37:18.000 Yeah, thank you very much for the opportunity, Matt, and for the invitation.

00:37:23.000 I'm in a difficult position because I should sum up 1,100 years of history.

00:37:28.000 And it's not that easy why we are – why we are –

00:37:31.000 Don't do it, don't do it.

00:37:32.000 As a matter of fact, we had to survive our own history.

00:37:36.000 And for us, being conservative, as a matter of fact, is not a political ideology, but it's a way of life.

00:37:43.000 Because we believe in our country, we believe in our identity, our culture.

00:37:48.000 The backbone of our identity is our language.

00:37:51.000 We speak a language that nobody understands, so we are very fortunate.

00:37:55.000 It's internationally not very competitive, but sometimes politically it's difficult to translate as well.

00:38:00.000 And also, we believe in family, because that's the most important, most basic unit for a survival, I believe.

00:38:08.000 And, of course, talking about immigration and rule of law.

00:38:14.000 I mean, first of all, if something is illegal, this is not legal. That's very easy.

00:38:18.000 And if we talk about law and the rule of law.

00:38:21.000 And the European Union, of course, we understand our British friends when they organized the referendum in 2016.

00:38:29.000 Our line was that the decision is yours, but we were very happy to work with you in the European Union.

00:38:34.000 So do you think Hungary potentially leaves the European Union?

00:38:37.000 No way, because we are not in a position to leave, and we do not want to leave.

00:38:40.000 I mean, we were left out in the dark alone after our British friends left.

00:38:43.000 So we have to reform the European Union alone.

00:38:46.000 So we want to make it lucrative for the British to come back. 1.00

00:38:49.000 But as a matter of fact...

00:38:51.000 Whoa, I'm not sure Nigel liked that idea.

00:38:53.000 Not at this stage.

00:38:55.000 You know, not at this stage.

00:38:57.000 But the European Union was founded by Christian democratic politicians right after the Second World War.

00:39:04.000 Degasperi and Adenauer and all the others.

00:39:07.000 They were sensible people.

00:39:09.000 And when our British friends left, we left the last hope of sensibility.

00:39:13.000 And now the European Union leadership is ruled by progressive liberals,

00:39:18.000 folkists, Marxists, communists.

00:39:21.000 And thank you very much.

00:39:22.000 We survived Nazism. 0.89

00:39:24.000 And what the Holocaust meant to us was one of our deepest...

00:39:27.000 And communism, I want to point out.

00:39:28.000 You know, deepest tragedy.

00:39:29.000 We had to survive the communists as well.

00:39:32.000 And 30 years ago, we got back the chance to build back our country with dignity, the backbone.

00:39:38.000 And we are very respectful to our neighborhood.

00:39:41.000 And, of course, Ukraine is just a last example. 0.64

00:39:43.000 Hungary opened up the borders.

00:39:45.000 We received more than 1.2 million refugees and we are a country of 10 million.

00:39:50.000 And Ukraine is even a neighborhood.

00:39:52.000 That's why we are promoting peace.

00:39:54.000 Promoting peace doesn't mean that we are pro-Putin, pro-Russian.

00:39:57.000 That's nonsense.

00:39:58.000 That's the liberal press that wants to make you believe.

00:40:02.000 It's not that.

00:40:03.000 So, of course, for us this is not a question.

00:40:06.000 And we respect, of course, the decisions of other countries.

00:40:11.000 We don't question the legitimacy of this current administration here.

00:40:14.000 But I think we are an example that you can win elections democratically based on traditional conservative values.

00:40:23.000 And this is our message.

00:40:24.000 And we are alone and that's why we need friends.

00:40:26.000 We need friends in the European Union.

00:40:28.000 We need friends in the United States of America.

00:40:30.000 And that's what we are doing.

00:40:31.000 My job as an ambassador is to build bridges.

00:40:33.000 But I always put up the question that, do I really want to build a bridge to a land where I don't want to go to?

00:40:40.000 And, of course, I mean, in a way we meet an existential threat to us.

00:40:45.000 And immediately when we articulate our position on illegal immigration or genderism, what is happening in our schools, whatever, they immediately position it as if it was a democracy debate.

00:40:58.000 Right.

00:40:59.000 Because our liberal colleagues, they don't tolerate other opinions.

00:41:03.000 There is a monopoly of thought.

00:41:05.000 I think that's an important point to make, that our liberal colleagues do not tolerate another opinion.

00:41:10.000 And for that, I want to turn to the former British Prime Minister, Liz Truss, who, when she became prime minister, there was a collective cheer in the conservative movement in the United States saying, wow, Margaret Thatcher is back.

00:41:22.000 Look at those policies she's got. 1.00

00:41:24.000 But you got a lot of blowback from your own government and your own media and your own party.

00:41:31.000 Well, that is absolutely true.

00:41:34.000 I mean, I ran for office in 2022 because Britain wasn't growing.

00:41:41.000 The state wasn't delivering.

00:41:44.000 We needed to do more.

00:41:46.000 I wanted to cut taxes, reduce the administrative state, take back control, as people talked about in the Brexit referendum.

00:41:55.000 But what I did face was a huge establishment backlash.

00:41:59.000 And a lot of it actually came from the state itself.

00:42:04.000 And I think what's happened is...

00:42:06.000 I just want to...

00:42:07.000 When you say the state itself, you mean the bureaucracy.

00:42:10.000 I mean the bureaucracy.

00:42:11.000 So what has happened in Britain over the past 30 years is power that used to be in the hands of politicians has been moved to quangos and bureaucrats and lawyers.

00:42:26.000 So what you find is you find a democratically elected government actually unable to enact policies.

00:42:33.000 So, for example, on illegal immigration...

00:42:36.000 Liz, I have to just...

00:42:37.000 What is a quango?

00:42:38.000 A quango. 0.94

00:42:39.000 A quango is a quasi non-governmental organization. 0.90

00:42:44.000 Oh, wow.

00:42:45.000 That's a really good one.

00:42:46.000 We just call them three-letter words.

00:42:48.000 I think in America you call it the administrative state or the deep state.

00:42:53.000 But we have more than 500 of these quangos in Britain. 1.00

00:42:56.000 And they run everything.

00:42:58.000 So we've got the Environment Agency.

00:43:00.000 We've got the Office of Budget Responsibility.

00:43:02.000 We've got the Bank of England.

00:43:04.000 We've got the Judicial Appointments Commission.

00:43:07.000 So Tony Blair changed 1,000 years of British history in 2005.

00:43:12.000 He got rid of the traditional role of the Lord Chancellor who sat in the Cabinet and was the head of the judiciary.

00:43:19.000 He instead put control of appointments in the hands of a quango. 1.00

00:43:26.000 So what you have is rather than democratically elected politicians being accountable for decisions, often those decisions are now in the hands of people who aren't elected.

00:43:38.000 And what I wanted to do as Prime Minister, I believe, would have improved things in Britain.

00:43:45.000 You know, our taxes are too high.

00:43:47.000 The government is too big.

00:43:49.000 We need to get a grip of our welfare bill.

00:43:52.000 All of those things we wanted to do.

00:43:55.000 But there's a whole bunch of people, and I describe them as the economic establishment, who fundamentally don't want the status quo to change.

00:44:04.000 Because they're doing quite fine out of it.

00:44:07.000 They don't really care about the prospects of the average person in Britain.

00:44:12.000 And they didn't want things to change.

00:44:15.000 And they didn't want their power taken away.

00:44:17.000 So I think that's the issue we now face as conservatives, is it's not enough just to will conservative policies and say we want to control our borders or we want to cut taxes or we want to reform our welfare system.

00:44:32.000 Because we have a whole group of people now in Britain with a vested interest in the status quo who actually have a lot of power.

00:44:41.000 And power has been taken away from democratically elected politicians and it now sits in the hands of bureaucrats.

00:44:47.000 And people don't want to admit that.

00:44:49.000 No minister wants to admit that they can't actually do things.

00:44:54.000 And I think that has become a big problem in Britain.

00:44:57.000 You know, I'm going to go totally off script and turn to Steve Bannon and Rick Grinnell.

00:45:01.000 In the Trump administration, President Trump came in to do exactly the same thing.

00:45:04.000 We call it draining the swamp.

00:45:06.000 And there were sand thrown in every gear of everything President Trump tried to do, whether it was on foreign policy issues, whether it was on economic health care, it was everything.

00:45:17.000 So do you see a second Trump administration?

00:45:20.000 Is this going to get only worse, Steve?

00:45:24.000 I think the reason, well, it'll try to get worse in one regard in that the administrative and deep state, after President Trump wins, starting on the afternoon of the 20th of January, every day will be like Stalingrad, right?

00:45:37.000 It'll be a war to the knife.

00:45:39.000 Here's what will be different.

00:45:41.000 Last time we went in this come from behind upset, and MAGA had not fully developed the personnel or even the policies, all the deep policies, the second and third tier that you have to do.

00:45:54.000 Now you have Project 2025.

00:45:57.000 You have Heritage.

00:45:58.000 You have 100 groups.

00:45:59.000 We had Paul Dan speak today.

00:46:01.000 100 groups have come together to actually get personnel and policies that are working every day.

00:46:06.000 Now, this is not the Trump transition, but it's to give us those 3,000 political appointees that controls our government.

00:46:14.000 An administration comes in, they have 4,000 appointees.

00:46:18.000 1,000 have to be Senate-confirmed so Mitch McConnell and the establishment can slow-walk it like they did for President Trump.

00:46:24.000 But 3,000 can hit as landing teams and beachhead teams immediately.

00:46:29.000 Last time we didn't have that.

00:46:30.000 In fact, we went through the whole four years, I think, Ambassador Grinnell, and there were tons of billets we never filled because we didn't have the personnel.

00:46:37.000 Now, people are developing that.

00:46:40.000 They're developing the policies.

00:46:41.000 So on the afternoon of the 20th, in the transition, we'll have beachhead teams and landing teams that will be able to get that second and third level where the work really gets done and where the administrative state actually makes a difference.

00:46:54.000 Now, remember, in ours, we have 2.25, I think, federal employees.

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00:48:26.000 I think we have two and a half million or three million in the military, but we have 17 million contractors.

00:48:32.000 And those contractors – so it's essentially take the military – it's 19 million, 18 to 19 million people that run an apparatus that spends $7 trillion a year, $7 trillion.

00:48:44.880 And so I think President Trump is going to be ready to go this time, but they've already said – remember, the Federal Reserve Treasury is working today to stop President Trump, the law affairs to stop President Trump, the national security apparatus to stop President Trump.

00:48:58.160 It's all there to stop President Trump, so it's going to take fortitude.

00:49:02.680 I mean, Ambassador Grinnell knows this.

00:49:04.140 You go into these massive bureaucracies like the State Department defense, every day is going to be a war to the knife.

00:49:09.660 And somebody's going to – there's no compromise here.

00:49:12.120 If we want to save our country, we have to take down the administrative state.

00:49:15.440 I mean, the prime minister has seen this up close and personal.

00:49:18.400 You have to take down the administrative state is an out-of-control fourth branch of government that our founders not only never envisioned but would warn against if they came back, they'd be furious.

00:49:29.000 And so I think this fight, that internal fight, is going to be absolutely vicious, and we have to win it.

00:49:36.300 Liz, did you want to add to that?

00:49:37.460 Can I just add three very quick points, very quick points.

00:49:40.260 By the way, you probably all have heard the buzz that Rick Grinnell is probably likely to have an extremely important role in a Trump administration.

00:49:47.220 I mean, we're not going to predict anything, but there are a lot of us who think that would be an extremely good idea.

00:49:52.640 All right, now with that.

00:49:54.240 So very quickly, I would say it'll be different this time because, one, we've learned collectively that we don't need the legacy media.

00:50:03.660 Yeah.

00:50:03.840 It was one of the reasons why they kicked Trump off Twitter was because he was successfully going to the people and going around the media, and they didn't like it.

00:50:13.700 The second is the public is much more educated now about the swamp in D.C.

00:50:18.700 The public has to be our partner.

00:50:21.880 You can't sit back and watch what's happening and hope somebody else is going to do something.

00:50:27.920 You have to absolutely be at the forefront of holding your representatives to account.

00:50:35.240 And third, we've learned the hard way that we have to hire really brave people.

00:50:41.580 You have to hire people that believe in doing good work without having the D.C. establishment praise them.

00:50:50.880 You cannot have anyone—I believe this.

00:50:53.880 You guys are going to have to change your address because I've told President Trump, 0.95

00:50:57.480 anyone who has a Washington, D.C. address on their resume, throw it in the garbage.

00:51:02.740 We do not need people from Washington, D.C. who care about Washington, D.C., 0.67

00:51:07.580 who care about their neighbors and their school kids and all of this swampiness.

00:51:13.900 We've got a lot of talent from outside of D.C.

00:51:16.380 What if they hate their neighbors?

00:51:17.700 Is that okay?

00:51:19.560 Move out.

00:51:20.560 Move out.

00:51:21.660 Liz, I'd like to turn to Liz, and then I think we want to open it up to Gordon Chang.

00:51:25.820 I gave a speech a couple of weeks ago at our launch of popular conservatism.

00:51:34.360 And what I said was you have to be prepared to be unpopular at London dinner parties because it's true.

00:51:41.520 There is a group of people who want to maintain the status quo.

00:51:45.300 They work in big corporates.

00:51:46.960 They work in the civil service.

00:51:48.540 They live within the M25.

00:51:50.340 And unless you are prepared to be unpopular with those people, you will not succeed as a conservative in actually changing things.

00:51:59.400 And just to make you all feel a bit sorry for us Brits, we get 100 political appointees.

00:52:06.320 And these political appointees aren't heads of departments.

00:52:10.480 They are special advisors that sit alongside.

00:52:13.100 So we have a major problem with our administrative bureaucracy not being responsible, responsive, and democratically accountable.

00:52:24.520 And I think it's got a lot worse.

00:52:26.560 So certainly, even in the time that I've served in office, the level of leaking, the level of briefing has just increased a lot.

00:52:34.700 And now people are joining the civil service who are essentially activists.

00:52:40.340 You know, they might be trans activists.

00:52:43.120 They might be environmental extremists.

00:52:46.220 But they are now having a voice within the civil service in a way I don't think was true 30 or 40 years ago.

00:52:53.820 So we just have a wholly new problem.

00:52:56.580 And frankly, 100 political appointees doesn't even touch the sides in terms of dealing with that.

00:53:03.660 So we think we have a problem with the unholy trinity, which is the media, the Democratic Party, and the administrative state.

00:53:11.500 But you've got a bigger problem.

00:53:13.380 Okay, with that, I'm going to toss to my pal Gordon Chang, China expert, fellow member of the board of CPAC, and very well versed on everything Asian and Pacific.

00:53:23.740 And let me just say, Ambassador Carla Sands, feel free to jump in because you've played this special role as a Trump ambassador.

00:53:32.220 You know, I might be able to root for you to get a new post in the new administration.

00:53:36.560 But feel free to jump into this conversation as it moves forward, okay?

00:53:41.680 Well, thank you, KT.

00:53:44.000 I want to start with you, Jay Aiba, CPAC Japan.

00:53:47.780 I want to start with you because you're a hero.

00:53:50.280 You're a hero because you hosted the first international CPAC in 2017.

00:53:57.200 I've got a question for you.

00:54:06.060 You know that the U.S. ambassador to Japan is Rahm Emanuel.

00:54:10.600 Now, Rahm Emanuel, in his tenure in Tokyo, has been promoting Biden woke social policies.

00:54:18.660 So, the question is going to be, what has Rahm Emanuel been pushing on the Japanese people with regard to their children?

00:54:34.000 Gordon Chang,課題な、過分な紹介をいただきありがとうございます.

00:54:39.460 Thank you for the great introduction.

00:54:40.900 Thank you.

00:55:10.900 ガゼン、彼の動きは活発になってきました。

00:55:13.900 And he started off kind of quiet, but then when our former prime minister, Abe was assassinated, he suddenly took a new tone and became a lot more active.

00:55:22.380 なぜかは分かりません。

00:55:23.800 I don't know why the timing worked out like it did.

00:55:25.580 彼の一番の日本においてやり遂げた功績は、これ皮肉ですけれども、功績は昨年の夏ですね、LGBTの思想をある意味強制する法案を日本で可決するのにものすごく大きな貢献をしたということです。

00:55:46.380 And his greatest achievement, and I mean this not seriously, obviously, his greatest achievement was last summer pushing a law that forces LGBTQ ideology on the Japanese people. 0.68

00:55:58.980 That was his greatest achievement in Japan so far.

00:56:01.340 Okay, Rick Grinnell, let's say that you're the next secretary of state.

00:56:10.160 Just for sake of discussion, you heard Jay Aiba talk about how Rahm Emanuel has been pushing LGBTQ plus whatever policies on his country.

00:56:26.240 If you were a secretary of state, what would you be doing with regard to your ambassadors to Japan or anywhere else with regard to U.S. social policies?

00:56:35.060 Well, first of all, I feel pretty passionate about protecting kids should not be a controversial issue.

00:56:43.640 So having a under 18 over 18 policy is what I believe in. 0.92

00:56:50.920 If you're under the age of 18, we should absolutely protect kids. 0.96

00:56:54.960 We don't let kids get tattoos.

00:56:57.540 We, in America, we tell them that they have to have an ID to go to an R-rated movie.

00:57:03.220 There is a whole list of things that we don't allow kids to do.

00:57:08.360 We've selected the age of 18.

00:57:11.900 I think there's a huge debate on whether or not that's even old enough.

00:57:16.860 But what I would say is protect the kids.

00:57:22.160 And after the age of 18, live and let live.

00:57:25.220 There's a whole bunch of things that I don't agree with that people do when they're adults.

00:57:32.280 But I'm not going to tell them what to do.

00:57:34.140 I'm much more of a libertarian on that issue.

00:57:36.940 So what I know President Trump wants to do is always concentrate on job creation, the economy, and making people safe, whether through economics or through national security.

00:57:50.560 So having this social issue agenda, to me, is something that we shouldn't be pushing on other countries.

00:58:01.360 We can have the debate in our country, and we can do that domestically, maybe through the states, have federal legislation if we need to.

00:58:11.940 But when it comes to telling another country what to do on a social policy, I just don't think that that's right.

00:58:18.740 President Trump did launch a decriminalization of homosexuality campaign.

00:58:24.500 Sixty-nine countries around the world criminalize homosexuality. 0.96

00:58:30.360 Seven will put you to death for it. 0.81

00:58:34.040 And that was something that he stood for.

00:58:36.960 And I think we had incredible support from the religious community, left, right, and center, for that law to push that idea.

00:58:47.640 I think when it comes to anything else, gay marriage or any of these issues, you should let the people of a country decide for themselves what works in Israel, doesn't work in the United States, doesn't work in Hungary, doesn't work in Poland, doesn't work in Japan.

00:59:02.420 So let people figure that out.

00:59:04.880 These are not absolute issues.

00:59:06.900 Yeah, especially for children.

00:59:07.960 Please tell this as well, sorry, to David Pressman in Budapest.

00:59:11.620 Yes.

00:59:12.220 And the ambassador's job, Gordon, is to promote trade, fair trade, on a level playing field, not to tell them what to do socially.

00:59:22.720 We need to have our security cooperation and trade so that we have shared prosperity.

00:59:27.820 The rest of it is none of our business.

00:59:30.080 I certainly agree.

00:59:32.060 And we heard Miklos talk about protecting children.

00:59:34.820 I mean, we should be, you know, we should not be forcing children in other countries to do things that we might think are right, but it's not our business.

00:59:43.220 And I certainly agree with that.

00:59:44.780 While we're talking about social issues, let's go to CPAC Japan, Andrew Cooper.

00:59:49.620 Australia.

00:59:50.520 Sorry.

00:59:52.500 I really like Japan, though.

00:59:54.200 We're a brother.

00:59:56.120 Japan's a great country.

00:59:57.320 We should all be Japanese, right?

00:59:58.920 Okay.

01:00:00.720 In October, the Australian people resoundedly rejected a constitutional amendment that had been pushed by the Albanese government.

01:00:10.480 This was called the voice referendum because the idea was, in the name of promoting social equality, racial equality, the proponents of this wanted to create racial divisions that would be enshrined in the Constitution.

01:00:27.600 And the question is, you know, everyone thought that this was going to pass because it was not only the government, but the companies, the movie stars, all of the establishment lined up for it.

01:00:37.680 And yet it didn't pass.

01:00:39.260 And it didn't pass because of CPAC Australia.

01:00:42.500 So if you could tell us how you performed that miracle.

01:00:46.800 And how you could do it here.

01:00:48.220 Look, no, it didn't pass.

01:00:52.780 And it was wonderful.

01:00:53.940 And when we first announced that we were going to oppose the voice, which was, the voice is essentially a change to the Constitution that it gives special electoral benefits to people based on their race, which was our Indigenous Australians.

01:01:10.540 And I think one of the things that binds conservatives all over the world is the concept that we're all born equal under the law and we should be treated as such.

01:01:19.740 And so this was very much going against that, I guess, that kind of principle.

01:01:25.320 And Australia, over the decades, has been a very conservative country.

01:01:28.880 We've elected conservative governments much more often than we've elected left-leaning governments.

01:01:33.960 But over the last 10, 12 years, there's been, the states have been dominated by left-leaning premiers, equivalent to your governors.

01:01:42.540 And unfortunately, our so-called right-leaning prime ministers should have been in the other party.

01:01:47.640 So it was essentially wall-to-wall.

01:01:51.520 Andrew, you have to help the Americans understand.

01:01:54.480 We have our rhinos.

01:01:56.120 You have your...

01:01:57.400 Well, liberal means classical liberal.

01:02:00.960 So what do you call them?

01:02:01.620 We call them linos.

01:02:03.960 As you well know, Matt.

01:02:08.340 So when we pushed in, there was 70% in favour.

01:02:11.440 It was very much a...

01:02:13.020 There's not a person I don't know in Australia that doesn't want better outcomes for some of our Indigenous Australians.

01:02:20.100 About 20% of our Indigenous Australians live in outback communities and they have a tough time of it.

01:02:26.080 Now, I look at that and I apply my value set to that problem.

01:02:29.940 And I think it's a welfare problem.

01:02:31.480 There's decades of welfare poured on these communities.

01:02:35.860 And they, you know, to me, welfare is like a drug.

01:02:39.660 Once you're on it, it's very hard to get off it.

01:02:41.740 And these communities suffer because of that.

01:02:43.440 But the left see this as a very dividing issue.

01:02:49.900 They saw an electoral opportunity to wedge conservatives because the polls were saying it had strong support.

01:02:57.320 It was 70% in favour.

01:02:58.440 Every state premier, every council, every, you know, pretty well, every politician, every major corporate, they all pushed in on it.

01:03:09.820 And they were advertising and, you know, Qantas were...

01:03:14.060 They had these ads, you know, trying to convince people that this was the best thing to do.

01:03:18.360 And what gives me hope, Gordon, for Australia...

01:03:22.120 And I don't know if anyone ever noticed what happened to Australia when COVID came.

01:03:26.060 That was a very dark time and not in keeping with the Australia that I know. 0.56

01:03:31.920 But what gives me hope in recent, this past year, is that the Australian people had an opportunity to think about this issue,

01:03:41.280 which fundamentally goes to what does equality mean.

01:03:45.260 And they decided to vote it down.

01:03:47.900 And they voted it down 60% to 40%.

01:03:52.100 And it was just...it was fantastic.

01:03:54.860 It gives me so much great positivity for the future of the country.

01:03:59.600 Whereas two years ago, I was very, very negative.

01:04:02.900 Nigel Farage, he announced two years ago on the CPAC stage that Australia was the wokest country on earth.

01:04:11.160 Now, ordinarily, ordinarily, you know, if you know the relationship with Australia and England,

01:04:16.880 if we're better at England at anything, we're pretty happy about that.

01:04:21.360 But that hurt.

01:04:22.860 That hurt, right?

01:04:23.920 So I hope you take your words back one day, Nigel.

01:04:28.040 But, Andrew, I heard that many Aboriginals voted against the referendum.

01:04:34.180 Basically, they were voting saying, I'm a person, I should be treated equally.

01:04:38.000 That seems to me to be a very powerful statement.

01:04:41.640 Actually, Gordon, that does remind me.

01:04:44.180 I didn't quite answer your question.

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01:07:18.320 Go there.

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01:07:23.240 So.

01:07:24.620 Go there.

01:07:27.540 You need

01:07:39.520 go there.

01:07:42.440 Go there.

01:07:43.460 Go then.

Bannon's War Room - February 22, 2024

Episode 3409： Live From CPAC International Panel

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