Bannon's War Room - March 18, 2024


Episode 3469： SCOTUS Hears Arguments On Government Censorship


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00:00:00.000 about Donald Trump increasingly sounding like a fascist, a dictator, mimicking them and using
00:00:05.360 words that are clearly out of the pages of some of the most powerful autocrats or dictators of
00:00:15.360 our time in the world. And I guess the fear is that for some Americans who may not be informed
00:00:25.600 about history, there's that vulnerability that Trump preys upon. And then there are those who
00:00:35.340 are making the choice. And I need to understand that. Is there any precedent or is this how
00:00:41.340 fascism works? Are they sucked in and brought in on different terms whether Trump has something on
00:00:47.920 some Republican leaders or others are just so uninformed they don't care? Is it a mixture?
00:00:54.680 How does it work? Is there a precedent? Well, I totally agree with what you've just said,
00:01:01.400 Mika. And that's how fascism and totalitarianism and in Germany's case, the Holocaust came to Germany,
00:01:09.320 which had been a country where there were big institutions of democracy until, as you well know,
00:01:15.440 the early 1930s. In a way, Donald Trump has done us all a favor, because if you and I have been
00:01:22.060 talking, Mika, let's say 20 years ago, and we've been talking about what would have seemed like a
00:01:26.660 very abstract and distant subject of how fascism and dictatorship might come to America, you probably
00:01:34.060 would have been more wiser. I would have said you would have had some smiling person pretending to be
00:01:39.640 a normal candidate like all the candidates for president who had gone before all the way back to
00:01:45.080 1789. And suddenly, after getting elected, that person would use the enormous powers of the
00:01:52.120 presidency that are given to that person by the Constitution. In a way, Donald Trump has made it
00:01:58.040 easier because when he tells you he'll be a dictator for a day, we all know that dictators don't resign
00:02:03.740 after a day when he uses the word bloodbath. Yes, it was in the context of an automobile industry
00:02:09.420 speech, but he knew exactly what he was saying. When he talks about suspending the Constitution
00:02:15.080 or migrants as animals, you know, this is him. He's telling you what this choice is.
00:02:20.860 So you were asking, Mika, is there any precedent for this? No. I hate it when people treat this race
00:02:27.820 as if it's just one more presidential campaign, you know, with lots of jokes, you know, both sides,
00:02:33.420 you know, flaws in both candidates. Yes, these are two old candidates. One of them is mentally
00:02:39.800 stable. Joe Biden, whom I saw give a great speech at the gridiron dinner on Saturday night. Donald
00:02:46.780 Trump, if you look at one of the speeches at these rallies, this is not someone who seems to have all
00:02:52.100 his marbles. So all I'm saying is apologize for the long answer, but it's important. No. As we talk
00:02:58.480 about this campaign, as it unfolds, we have never seen anything remotely like this in American
00:03:04.980 history. A major party candidate is saying, you elect me, there's going to be dictatorship, bloodbath,
00:03:11.840 violence, retribution against my political enemies. That equals what we saw in Italy and
00:03:17.640 Germany and other places. If Americans do not get that, if they choose that voluntarily, then this
00:03:24.320 country has changed in a way that I do not understand. If you think you shouldn't take
00:03:29.920 this seriously, one should believe him. At this point, the violence of January 6th is something
00:03:35.320 that he talks about in a wistful way. He wants to help these people, these people who have committed
00:03:41.000 crimes. And we look at global threats around the world, and it seems that the threat of violence
00:03:47.200 violence within. I'm reading a lot lately about people concerned about more violence
00:03:52.420 here in the U.S., promulgated by Donald Trump. And when he does that, you can see that he's serious
00:03:59.340 about it. Yeah, look, I don't really need much context to understand what he's saying. I know that
00:04:06.180 people have been going over and over his words. It's very clear what the use of the word bloodbath,
00:04:12.200 and that subclause, when he says, oh, and by the way, if I don't get elected, means, as Joe said,
00:04:19.880 you know, auto analysts don't usually use terms like bloodbath when it comes to upturns or downturns
00:04:26.520 in the auto industry. It's very clear what he's saying. And the context is, you know, eludes people
00:04:34.040 like Elon Musk, who apparently thinks this was an auto commentary, but is absolutely plain to
00:04:42.180 anybody listening to that. And you only need to listen to it once, and you don't need a language
00:04:47.020 expert to know what he's saying. And he's not just saying, I'll pardon the hostages, as he calls them,
00:04:53.740 the criminals who were put away for January the 6th. He's signaling that future such acts
00:05:00.960 have a green light from him. So this isn't just a commentary on the past, on the January 6th
00:05:07.180 convicts. This is an enabling statement about people who are going to help him this coming
00:05:15.280 election. So the bloodbath comment, I think, is absolutely unequivocal. There's no need to pass
00:05:21.480 this. This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval
00:05:32.960 on these people. I got a free shot, all these networks lying about the people. The people have
00:05:39.740 had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world
00:05:43.800 to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen. And where do people like that
00:05:47.480 go to share the big line? MAGA Media. I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a
00:05:55.520 conscience. Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country,
00:06:03.640 this country will be saved. War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Vance.
00:06:10.080 It's Monday, 18 March, Year of Our Lord, 2024. A massive day. We're going to start at the Supreme
00:06:20.860 Court with an incredibly important hearing today. Dr. Pierre Corey, one of the leaders in the medical
00:06:27.700 freedom movement, joins us on the steps of the Supreme Court. Dr. Corey, what is being argued today?
00:06:33.500 Why are you at the Supreme Court?
00:06:35.120 Well, I think this is one of the most important cases in our time. I mean, essentially,
00:06:41.720 this case is about our federal government censoring private American citizens. And they did this
00:06:48.040 rapaciously throughout COVID. There's a rally here now. There's a lot of press here. It was put on
00:06:54.620 by Children's Health Defense. I just gave a speech of about 10 minutes. And Steve, I just talked about
00:07:00.440 how I am one of the more censored physicians in this country. And I detailed all of the forms of
00:07:07.940 censorship that I've endured. And it wasn't just social media. That was just the tip of the iceberg.
00:07:11.760 I mean, this is across media, across medical journals. And we've gotten taken down off of PayPal,
00:07:19.040 Shopify, you know, Presswire. We can't put out press releases. I mean, and the most important
00:07:25.080 censorship, Steve, is when they go after me, my reputation, my colleagues, our expertise and
00:07:30.400 credibility. That's how they go after truth tellers. They just want you to appear as incredible as
00:07:34.940 possible so that the power of your voice and of your knowledge doesn't go far.
00:07:42.080 Dr. Corey, can you go through your bona fides? And because they have deemed you or targeted you as
00:07:47.500 one of the most dangerous professionals in not just the United States, maybe the history of the
00:07:52.400 United States. Your response, sir? Yeah, I mean, that is absolutely shocking. Prior to COVID,
00:07:59.660 I was extremely well known in my specialty, not only nationally, but internationally. So I'm a
00:08:04.420 pulmonary and critical care specialist. I ran ICUs and taught in ICUs over decades. And I was the
00:08:12.020 former chief of the critical care service at one of the largest academic medical centers in the country.
00:08:16.260 That's University of Wisconsin. I was the director of their ICU. My textbook on the field called
00:08:21.460 Critical Care Ultrasonography has been translated to seven languages. It's in its second edition.
00:08:26.640 I traveled the world teaching that skill. And I was highly published. And that's just me. My five
00:08:32.420 colleagues in my organization, which is flccc.net, you know, we're some of the most highly published
00:08:37.940 experts in our specialty. And they want to call us dangerous. I mean, we have long careers. We've
00:08:43.460 been celebrated. We've won awards. I've won awards at every major center I've taught at. And
00:08:47.340 selling now I'm public enemy. Number one, this is absolutely absurd.
00:08:52.360 During the pandemic, what was it specifically that you and your colleagues found and started
00:08:57.440 coming out with as part of your normal professional understanding of events that got you banned?
00:09:03.800 Well, I let me list away, Steve. Number one, I wrote in May of 2020 that this was an aerosol
00:09:11.780 transmitted disease that was completely ignored by the CDC for another year and the WHO by two years.
00:09:16.700 They now admit that we could see it plain as day in April. And yet they still locked us down.
00:09:21.340 They still had a socially distancing and wearing masks. The second thing is I testified in Ron
00:09:26.220 Johnson's hearing in May of 2020 about the critical need for corticosteroids. I did that at a time when
00:09:30.880 every national and international health care organization recommended against it. Guess what,
00:09:35.060 Steve? Three months later, it's the standard of care worldwide. We could have saved hundreds of
00:09:39.080 thousands, if not millions of lives, had they listened to our expertise on corticosteroids.
00:09:43.600 And then the most famous was in December of 2020, I testified on ivermectin and that testimony went
00:09:48.960 viral. Our paper, which showed that it was life-saving efficacy in all phases of disease,
00:09:54.720 was retracted. Other papers were retracted. Hit jobs in the media started coming at us. And it's because,
00:10:00.300 Steve, we identified a low-cost, one of the safest medicines in history, most available and lowest
00:10:06.240 cost. It threatened the markets for the entire vaccine campaign, all the competing antivirals
00:10:11.960 like molnupiravir and paxlovid and remdesivir and monoclonal antibodies. And that's when our lives
00:10:16.960 all went sideways. My career is now over for my advocacy, but I'm still standing.
00:10:22.120 Talk to me about what is the government and big tech going to argue today against you guys? What
00:10:29.880 is the argument of the government and what is the argument of the big tech, this kind of techno
00:10:35.960 feudalism, the oligarchs? What are they going to argue against you and your colleagues?
00:10:41.420 All right, Steve, I'm going to preface it by saying I'm a little outside my lane because I'm not a lawyer
00:10:45.040 here. But my sense is that they're going to argue that somehow this is in the public interest. I mean,
00:10:49.680 I don't understand what other rationale that they could come up with that suddenly could
00:10:54.680 support the violation of the First Amendment. I mean, they're going to try to say that what we
00:11:00.780 say is dangerous. Our scientific opinions are dangerous. I think that's largely what they're
00:11:04.740 going to do is that they're going to say it's their right to control speech if it's in the public
00:11:08.800 interest. And that is absolutely absurd. You know, our forefathers saw this, and that's why we have
00:11:15.820 this amendment. And I think it's inviolable, right? It's only hateful or violent speech should
00:11:20.980 ever be censored. And none of this. Scientific opinions do not rise to the level of that ever.
00:11:28.940 Has the scientific evidence to date, as we get more receipts in,
00:11:32.660 have they backed your points that you made early on?
00:11:35.420 I mean, the data that comes out, Steve, it just continues to support everything that we've
00:11:43.300 advocated for. And the data for ivermectin still comes out positive. They're still trying to distort
00:11:48.360 it. The data against the safety and efficacy of the vaccines continues to pile up. The data for
00:11:53.960 natural immunity continues to increase. I mean, the scientific consensus, the grounds on which it
00:12:00.760 rested, if it ever had anything remotely solid, I mean, it's splintered, cracked, and it's crashing.
00:12:08.640 Dr. Corey, before I let you go one more time, just go through your D-bank. Go ahead. Go ahead.
00:12:14.980 No, I was going to say, although we know that, you know, there's no way, because again, we're going
00:12:19.840 back to this topic of censorship. They're never going to admit they're wrong. They're still putting
00:12:23.640 out stuff in media and newspapers and journals about safety and efficacy. I mean, I'm looking at
00:12:27.620 papers where they're literally saying it's now been proven that it's safe in pregnancy. Nothing
00:12:31.560 more absurd could be the truth. And so they're still censoring the truth.
00:12:38.240 Walk the audience through one more time. You got de-platformed, de-banked,
00:12:41.920 able to process transactions. Just go through the litany of things that happened to you.
00:12:45.720 So after everything really started after that ivermectin testimony, two days later, the Associated
00:12:51.480 Press did an interview with me where I buried the reporter in data, in trials from all around the
00:12:56.800 world, shown the efficacy of ivermectin. 24 hours later, they published a paper which literally
00:13:02.520 didn't barely talk about ivermectin. It just said it's another drug to debunk like hydroxychloroquine.
00:13:08.340 They talked about some couple who drank fish cleaner. I mean, it was an absurd article. We
00:13:12.660 complained. We had an ethics complaint against the AP. Didn't go anywhere. But here's the interesting
00:13:16.820 thing, Steve. I just learned one week ago that that article, which is from December 11th,
00:13:21.040 2020, was just removed from the Associated Press website. You can only find it on Wayback Machine.
00:13:26.540 But that was the first thing they did. Then they retracted our papers. Even though they
00:13:31.880 had passed peer review, the highest level of peer review, we had senior scientists, colleagues
00:13:36.620 of Dr. Malone's from the agencies passed peer review, and then the publisher refused to
00:13:41.400 publish. They retracted. Colleagues in the U.K. and Japan had papers retracted. And then
00:13:46.640 continued hit jobs in the media. And then came the social media things. They were trying
00:13:50.700 to disappear us from the Internet. The worst was YouTube. Twitter at that time was absolutely
00:13:55.520 horrible. Shadowban, deplatformed. LinkedIn dropped us. Instagram, Facebook, we couldn't
00:14:01.420 post anything on there. But then they went further. We were trying to get donations through
00:14:05.960 PayPal. PayPal said they would not process payments anymore, so they're trying to starve
00:14:09.220 us financially. Then Shopify, where we were selling clothes for nonprofit donations, they
00:14:15.500 dropped us as a client. And then newswires, that we were trying to put our press releases
00:14:20.280 on our findings. They wouldn't carry our press releases. And then I got to tell you, I'll
00:14:24.060 finish here by saying, then came the medical board, Steve. They've weaponized these medical
00:14:28.200 boards. You start to see medical boards coming after doctors all around the country who are
00:14:32.000 using ivermectin or saying that ivermectin was effective. They're threatening our licenses.
00:14:36.340 And I spend a lot of time now doing expert defense testimony. And I do it pro bono for doctors
00:14:42.000 around the country who are trying to save their livelihoods. They're literally trying to take
00:14:45.280 their licenses. And so they don't stop. They want us. They want to be, you know,
00:14:51.060 just hang on for one second. We'll take a short break. We're going to come back to you on the
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00:16:18.400 Okay, we've got a lot we're going to get to today, including the Homeland Security bill
00:16:30.080 may be shutting down the government at the end of the week or over the weekend. We've
00:16:34.500 got this Tyson's boycott people are talking about. Raheem's going to be with us. Josh
00:16:40.340 Hammer's going to be with us. Sam Faddis, Frank Gaffney. So we're packed. Before I go back
00:16:44.780 to Dr. Peter Corey, Naomi Wolf has joined us. Naomi, I don't say this flippantly, but you
00:16:52.240 are a fire-breathing defender of the First Amendment on the political left. I don't think
00:16:58.080 your positions have changed at all. Yet today, the Supreme Court, people would, they've written
00:17:03.380 a whole book about how you're a fire-breathing First Amendment advocate now on the far right.
00:17:10.520 Why is this hearing today so important? And what happened politically? Because
00:17:14.640 there's been a massive realignment in this, as you have the big tech oligarchs combined
00:17:20.180 with the government arguing today that Dr. Pierre Corey and many others, including Naomi
00:17:25.520 Wolf, Natalie Winters, Stephen K. Bannon, War Room, are dangerous to American civilization
00:17:31.140 and society, ma'am.
00:17:33.540 Right. Well, I agree with Dr. Corey and you all that this is one of the most important days
00:17:38.840 in American history. I mean, literally our first and most important amendment, the one upon
00:17:44.220 which all the subsequent amendments rest, right, without free speech, you don't have any other
00:17:49.580 freedom, is under threat today or at stake. And what the Supreme Court decides is going to
00:17:57.520 determine whether we live in a remaining remnant of a free society or whether we are just another
00:18:05.280 banana republic. I empathize with Dr. Corey's emotions, too, because his description of his
00:18:13.140 credentials, his credibility, his high status in the establishment of medicine being literally
00:18:20.180 overturned overnight. You know, I also experienced it in the world of journalism and dozens and dozens
00:18:27.120 of us have experienced it and all of us have that same kind of question as we stand in the middle of
00:18:33.180 the rubble of our lives, which is how could this be if we are telling the truth? How could this be if
00:18:39.140 we're living up to the highest ideals of our professions? Which he clearly has done and all of
00:18:44.580 the people who are the plaintiffs today clearly have done. I mean, so what happened? Everyone should know
00:18:50.760 exactly what happened. Louisiana and Missouri, to their credit, claimed that their speech was stifled when
00:18:57.720 Twitter and Facebook, et cetera, restricted posts after pressure from the White House, the CDC, the FBI, and the
00:19:06.060 Department of Homeland Security. How non-intimidating is that? A Louisiana District Court judge then found that
00:19:13.920 seven Biden officials did, in fact, coerce these social media companies. And that's the issue, Steve,
00:19:20.680 whether there was an effort to persuade or intimidation coercion. Then the U.S. Court of Appeals
00:19:27.420 Fifth Circuit decided the White House officials and the FBI did violate a First Amendment right via this
00:19:33.160 suppression. And they said that federal employees could not coerce a platform. So that's all as it
00:19:39.440 should be. Our Justice Department appealed. The White House appealed. That was not good enough for
00:19:47.020 the Justice Department. So that's why everyone is here today. And the last thing I want to say
00:19:52.820 is that I've been looking at the legacy media trying to find the details about this case.
00:19:59.080 And I, you know, when you said what's changed, this is yet another symptom of what's horrifically
00:20:04.820 changed, changed utterly, right? Which is, you can't find what the plaintiffs said, who the
00:20:12.180 plaintiffs are, or whether they were right or not in the legacy media. They do everything they can
00:20:19.000 to cover up and smudge that information under the guise of misinformation. So the plaintiffs are
00:20:25.780 some of the most credible people in the United States of America. They include Dr. Martin Kulldorff
00:20:31.900 of Harvard, formerly of Harvard, Dr. Jay Bhattacharya of Stanford, Michael Schellenberger,
00:20:37.960 who's one of the most distinguished reporters in America. And that's, those are the people who are
00:20:45.060 being erased in the coverage of this incredibly important case. So people can't assess what did
00:20:50.900 they say? Who are they? And lastly, what they said turned out to be true, just as what Dr. Corey said.
00:20:55.640 But I just want to take one step back before I pause and say, the First Amendment doesn't just
00:21:00.400 protect speech that is true. What I was deplatformed for was true. What Dr. Corey was
00:21:06.560 deplatformed for was true. All these people said true things. You know, Dr. Bhattacharya, Dr. Kulldorff
00:21:13.180 were trying to warn about the catastrophic effects of lockdowns. But the First Amendment protects
00:21:18.800 speech that's not true. The First Amendment even protects hate speech, just to make a note. There are
00:21:24.520 very limited cards out on what is not speech protected by the First Amendment. Threats of
00:21:30.060 violence, for instance. So, and you know, of course, the famous yelling fire in a crowded theater. So
00:21:35.600 really what is, it matters today, and everyone should look at the legacy media and recognize that
00:21:41.220 they are lying to them in trying to say, oh, this is about how far the government can go. No, the
00:21:47.260 government cannot, the government cannot use third parties to suppress the speech of Americans, the
00:21:54.560 First Amendment protected speech of Americans. That is a thousand percent clear. And the legacy
00:21:58.780 media is doing this mission creep thing they do of trying to obfuscate that and suggest they can do
00:22:04.340 it a little bit or they can do it, you know, short of intimidation. That's nonsense. And I hope and pray
00:22:10.140 that the Supreme Court sticks to the Constitution. And finally, I will say, many incredible leaders who
00:22:18.700 happen to be women are often written out of history. And one incredible woman at the center of this case
00:22:25.500 is Janine Younis, who is a friend, and the most extraordinary lawyer of her generation, in many
00:22:32.620 ways, I think. And she is representing the plaintiffs on behalf of the National Civil Liberties Alliance,
00:22:38.940 as their special counsel. So they have the best, you know, one of the greatest lawyers arguing for
00:22:45.300 them. She deeply understands the First Amendment. And her life too was turned upside down by this kind
00:22:50.920 of bullying and harassment and unlawful censorship. So Godspeed to her. The buried lead you talked about
00:22:59.080 is so glaring, it's shocking, that the paper that did the Pentagon Papers, the New York Times,
00:23:06.480 the one that broke Watergate, the Washington Post, are virtually silent on this. This morning,
00:23:11.300 all the talk shows, it's all about Trump's bloodbath and Trump's a dictator. Almost no coverage.
00:23:16.420 Traditionally, these would be wall to wall. They'd have five or six analytical pieces. They'd have
00:23:20.420 crews down there. They'd be talking nonstop about it. Their silence shows you how concerned they are
00:23:26.060 about the state apparatus actually being taken away from them, ma'am?
00:23:29.020 Oh, you're so right. But I would go further. I mean, in my lifetime, until just a few years ago,
00:23:36.480 all the journalists in America would be on the side of Janine Younis and these plaintiffs,
00:23:41.580 every newspaper. And you listen to Michael Beschloss. I mean, a great historian is basically,
00:23:47.960 you know, you know, misinforming people, right? But when it comes to the First Amendment issues,
00:23:55.600 historically, that's their, you know, that's their means of reaching their audiences. But
00:24:06.080 the news apparatus is trying to get into bed with the Justice Department. And that
00:24:14.540 is another example of our decay as a democracy.
00:24:17.400 I want to go to Dr. Pierre Corrie before we lose him. Dr. Pierre Corrie, on the steps of the
00:24:24.900 Supreme Court, any closing thoughts? And how do we get your book? How do we get
00:24:28.640 access to all your content, sir?
00:24:33.060 Yeah, I think I just want to finish with the most important thought of all is that censorship is
00:24:37.920 tyranny. And this country was built on fighting tyranny. And like you guys just discussed,
00:24:42.620 I'm really saddened to see such large swaths of our society who don't recognize that,
00:24:47.900 that we all need to unite and fight tyranny. But as far as for me and my work,
00:24:53.240 let me just tell you briefly, my nonprofit, which is flccc.net, my private practice, which is
00:24:59.560 DR, so DrPierreCorrie.com. I treat vaccine injury and long haul COVID. And then my book is The War on
00:25:06.680 Ivermectin. Probably best to get that on Amazon. And then I have a sub stack, which is
00:25:10.940 pierrecorriemedicalmusings.com. Thanks, Steve.
00:25:16.820 Dr. Corrie, go with God. We've got your back. You're one of the bravest guys I've met. So
00:25:22.320 keep hanging in there, sir.
00:25:25.220 Thanks.
00:25:27.760 The War on Ivermectin is a blockbuster book, too, I think from Sky Horse. Make sure we'll put it up
00:25:32.500 and link to Amazon. If you haven't read it, you've got to. Natalie Winters, your thoughts,
00:25:38.600 observations. You were deemed, I think, by Brookings and a bunch of press organizations,
00:25:44.340 misinformation of 2022. Your thoughts about this, ma'am?
00:25:48.860 Yeah, I think of all the titles that we get hurled at us working in the war room, that's the one that
00:25:53.700 I am the most proud of. I think we forgot to commemorate our one-year anniversary, I believe
00:25:58.720 it was February 8th of this year, that the Brookings Institution, in coordination with, of course,
00:26:04.260 the New York Times, said that we were the top spreader of misinformation for all of our work
00:26:09.840 in 2022 here at the war room. But I think that that story is sort of a good anecdote to extrapolate
00:26:15.480 to what we're seeing going on today at the Supreme Court. And you know, us here in the war room,
00:26:20.040 we're very critical of what elected Republicans do, whether that be at the state level or, of course,
00:26:25.500 in Congress. But I think today is actually a day that we should celebrate, because I think
00:26:29.600 this is what actually getting accountability looks like. In other words, I mean, let's celebrate for
00:26:35.760 the fact that the deep state, these federal agencies, CISA, the CDC, the CIA, even federal
00:26:43.140 agencies within the Biden White House, the Surgeon General, they are having to answer for their
00:26:47.660 actions today. They are having to make the case that what they did is legal. And I think that that
00:26:53.680 is so kind of far past the goalposts that we're used to seeing with these agencies, because what
00:26:58.740 they're doing, right, their agenda, their intentions, it's very rare that it's ever actually
00:27:03.640 unearthed or sort of, you know, flies above the radar. But with COVID, and particularly with election
00:27:09.920 fraud, I think they really kind of overplayed their hand and their cover-up efforts. The Praetorian
00:27:16.080 Guard sort of became too intense, where that's why you're seeing the case being tried today. Thank God
00:27:22.340 for Eric Schmidt out of Missouri for bringing this case. But I think that this is a very important
00:27:28.500 day. Again, don't get lost in the minutiae, I think, of all the ways that they've censored
00:27:33.020 us. I think people are well aware. I'm sure most people watching this show probably have
00:27:36.920 their Facebook accounts banned. But I think for so long, there's sort of this question
00:27:41.260 of, you know, when we say, oh, they're trying to do this, they're trying to do that. You
00:27:46.060 know, who really constitutes the they, right? Who are these forces, at least from the federal
00:27:51.060 government level, that are conspiring to deprive us of our rights? And I think today we're
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00:29:43.240 ...about a reasonable person. I mean, if there is, as a regular basis, the kind of
00:29:48.140 back and forth between a spokesman and a member of the media, what a reasonable person might view
00:29:58.660 as coercive might not in that context. You know, maybe the press secretary yells on a regular basis,
00:30:05.520 and if their volume increases enough, that might be viewed as coercion.
00:30:10.120 I think that points out the context sensitivity. I think, as is usually the case when the court says
00:30:14.400 it's a reasonable person test, it's a reasonable person with knowledge of all the facts. And I think
00:30:18.220 that would include the prior course of dealing between the relevant government official and the
00:30:21.900 relevant recipient. I think here that really strongly reinforces the idea that there wasn't
00:30:26.200 coercion. These were sophisticated parties. They routinely said no to the government.
00:30:31.200 That's the... The Supreme Court is streaming the audio. Grace and Moe are going to put that on
00:30:36.040 an alternative channel if you want to listen to it. I know Naomi's going to want to go over there.
00:30:41.420 Naomi, closing thoughts. We're going to have you back on, hopefully, this afternoon to talk about
00:30:45.360 how this turned out today, at least the argument. Your thoughts on what people should be watching
00:30:50.960 for in this today? Well, what they should be watching for is what I've already heard in that
00:30:56.380 clip, which is that it's worrying that the Justice Department seems to have moved the goalposts to
00:31:04.160 how much coercion is too much, right? Instead of the clear, bright line of the Constitution,
00:31:10.260 which is the government cannot use third parties to silence the speech, the first-minute
00:31:14.300 protected speech of citizens. So that's a concern. And I just want to remind everyone,
00:31:18.920 because this happened to me and I saw the emails that my lawyer got me, my case disclosure is going
00:31:24.400 to be affected by this outcome as well. The CDC and the Department of Homeland Security,
00:31:31.280 think about those organizations. If you're a doctor, the CDC saying behind the scenes in writing to
00:31:38.200 Twitter, Facebook, this is misinformation. You need to take action on this.
00:31:44.060 It's harrying, bullying them. But also just as a citizen, when I found out that law enforcement
00:31:50.680 agencies were looped in, and the Bureau of the Census, who knows where we all live, right? How
00:31:55.740 many children we have, where our children are. I mean, it's absolutely terrifying. And so I hope that
00:32:01.680 the justices don't get swayed by the obfuscation and mystification that clearly is the tactic of
00:32:09.900 the Justice Department. And I hope citizens will go take out their constitution and read the First
00:32:15.580 Amendment and defend their rights and do everything they can to support leaders and organizations
00:32:23.140 that are helping them defend their First Amendment rights, because we have nothing without that.
00:32:29.680 And Natalie Winters just said that this is actually a joyous day, because this is the beginning of real
00:32:34.360 accountability of the oligarchs, the tech titans, the government, people that did this. Is this why
00:32:41.580 you said this, you believe this is one of the most important days in American history?
00:32:45.360 I mean, partly. I love Natalie's hopefulness, but I'm not sure I share it. I mean, I know exactly
00:32:52.420 through the FOIA emails that we've seen and through disclosure from my attorney and through the work of
00:33:00.660 the NCLA, who is behind it. It really was what the plaintiff's lawyers are calling a grand, sprawling
00:33:09.500 censorship edifice within the federal government paid for by our tax dollars. So I hope it's a good day
00:33:16.680 for accountability. And we will see more of the people whose names are on those emails whom I can
00:33:24.320 list. But I worry, too, that if it goes the wrong way, it sets a precedent for, you know, now it's
00:33:31.920 COVID misinformation. What's next? If you are praying for someone to have an abortion, is that
00:33:37.580 misinformation? If you are critical of the government, is that misinformation? I mean, keep in
00:33:42.220 mind that the outcome of the 2020 election is also categorized as misinformation by the Justice
00:33:49.220 Department. If you don't like the outcome of a future election, is that going to be, are you going
00:33:53.860 to be targeted by law enforcement agencies? I mean, that is literally what happened in this case.
00:33:58.680 And that is not America. So I hope she's right.
00:34:02.760 Is the evidence, is the empirical evidence that you've seen to date that has come out over time
00:34:08.120 support the fact that Dr. Corey and others were actually speaking the truth at that time and would
00:34:14.320 have gone a long way to making the pandemic not as bad as it was and also to give warnings on the
00:34:20.680 vaccine when they should have been given? Yes, without question. I mean, when Dr. Corey was trying to kind
00:34:26.820 of marshal all the evidence, I understood his effort because there's so much evidence now confirming that
00:34:34.220 if they had been allowed to have their say and Dr. Bhattacharya and Dr. Kulldorff, who were warning,
00:34:39.280 you know, what you sent me, the clip from the New York Times saying that children and low-income
00:34:43.880 children are now behind catastrophically in school. You know, all the people who went hungry, all the
00:34:49.480 people who died, the catastrophic social policies, as well as the catastrophic medical treatments,
00:34:54.580 they've all been proven so abundantly right that it's difficult to summarize. But I really want to
00:35:01.280 always say it doesn't matter if they were right or not. It doesn't matter. If you look at the history
00:35:06.880 of science, things people believe, you know, that's medical consensus one year turn out to be,
00:35:12.380 you know, nonsense and thrown in the trash heap of science in two or three years. So and that's how
00:35:17.600 science works. People have to sometimes ask questions, even if they're not right, or raise
00:35:22.640 concerns, even if it doesn't turn out to be right. It's not just the First Amendment doesn't just say
00:35:27.460 your speech is protected if it turns out you were right about ivermectin, or your speech is
00:35:31.980 protected if it turns out you were right about mRNA vaccines causing menstrual damage. It protects
00:35:37.280 our speech. The government cannot. I mean, imagine the world that is going to be opened up today if
00:35:42.140 the Supreme Court rules the wrong way. And not just Twitter and Facebook will be the target of
00:35:48.360 pressure. And this was aggressive pressure from the Biden administration. This was like threats of
00:35:54.260 retribution, right? Legal threats, policy threats. But any other organization, you know, the people
00:36:00.840 who own your car, the people who hold your mortgage, they can all be leaned on by the government
00:36:06.000 if your speech crosses some imaginary line. And I can tell you, Steve, from my study of totalitarian
00:36:13.100 societies throughout history, there's always a moving line of what is unsayable, right? And that's the
00:36:20.120 point of creating something that is unsayable or punishable speech and thought. Look what's
00:36:26.380 happening in Canada. People are, you know, going to be arrested for pre-crime, you know, for thinking
00:36:32.080 thoughts. So look what happened in France and Ireland, I believe. There are laws that are in process
00:36:39.940 against criticizing drug companies. So this is not going to stop here, right, if the justices rule the
00:36:48.040 wrong way. It's going to open the door to every single entity around you being subject to the
00:36:53.780 government saying, oh, Joe Smith, Jane Smith, I don't like what they're saying publicly. You've got
00:37:00.680 to lean on them, lower their credit score, make sure their kids don't get to college. And then we live
00:37:05.500 in China. Naomi, where do people go to get particularly all the great information you're
00:37:13.240 putting out on the on the vaccines on Pfizer, Moderna? Where do people go to get all of it?
00:37:19.120 You should go to dailycloud.io. I need you all to download the election integrity bill and send it
00:37:26.980 to your elected officials at the state level. You can order the Pfizer papers coming out in May,
00:37:34.480 a new book with the latest reports on Amazon and on our website. And you can find me on Substack
00:37:42.360 and the podcast is outspoken and the essays are outspoken. Thank you.
00:37:49.120 Dr. Naomi Wolf, thank you so much for joining us today. Great work.
00:37:53.380 Natalie, your original investigative reporting on Dr. Fauci, this was the process started by now
00:37:59.900 Senator Eric Schmidt, but when he was attorney general, that had the monumental deposition of
00:38:06.000 Dr. Fauci. Dr. Fauci said things in that deposition that he didn't say publicly, right? It's
00:38:11.760 one of the reasons of this whole court case. Talk to me, talk to me about that, your investigation,
00:38:16.940 the information you came up with about Wuhan, about the virus, about the sources of it. I think
00:38:22.980 Jeffrey Sachs, Dr. Jeffrey Sachs is out today saying the United States should be looking at huge
00:38:27.260 reparations the United States should pay because of Dr. Fauci's work. But a lot of Dr. Fauci publicly
00:38:34.160 was quite different than Dr. Fauci in his deposition. Was he not, ma'am?
00:38:37.280 Well, I'm sure his Chinese paymasters are happy about those comments. And I wasn't actually talking
00:38:43.300 about Fauci when I said that I think that applies to both Dr. Sachs and Dr. Fauci. I get PTSD whenever
00:38:49.680 you bring up my old reporting on Fauci. But look, I think the key issue here, you know, I could rattle
00:38:56.260 on for hours about everything that we uncovered, not just the lies that Anthony Fauci was telling,
00:39:01.460 but even just the cold, hard facts, right? The deleted webpages from the Wuhan Institute of
00:39:05.600 Virology's website showing that they were lethally manipulating bat coronaviruses. And then when they
00:39:10.880 were caught, they said, oh, well, it was in the efforts of pandemic prevention, yet we're also
00:39:15.400 the same group that's profiting immensely to the tune of, you know, millions of dollars
00:39:19.220 and in terms of just political power from these pandemics actually happening, which is really,
00:39:24.740 I think, the greatest conflict of interest that has existed. But why I think they really don't want
00:39:30.760 us to get to the bottom of the origins of COVID is because it basically goes up against what I think
00:39:36.640 their broader global agenda is, which really draws a nice contrast with what they're trying to do right
00:39:41.640 now with the pandemic treaty. And what I mean by that is that with the pandemic treaty, what they're
00:39:47.260 focusing on is basically how to get us to all be, you know, submissive and really just at the end of
00:39:53.620 the day comply with big pharma's profit margins and their kind of bigger agenda, right? The focus
00:39:59.960 of the pandemic treaty, it also dovetails quite nicely with misinformation. They like this concept
00:40:04.580 of social listening, where they basically are tracking basically what you're thinking, what
00:40:09.400 you're saying on social media before you even know it, before the next pandemic even happens with
00:40:14.700 regards to vaccines and masks and PPE. But if they can strategically drive the conversation away
00:40:22.180 from the blame that should be adequately placed on the Chinese Communist Party, but more precisely,
00:40:26.900 the risky gain-of-function research that was okayed and supported and defended by Anthony Fauci
00:40:32.700 and his entire ilk at NIAID and the National Institutes of Health more broadly, then they really can
00:40:37.740 control the narrative about public health and pandemics and the way that you address it, right?
00:40:42.380 The solution to the problem, if the problem is just, oh, well, we weren't effective enough in our
00:40:46.880 gain-of-function research, we need to create more pandemic strains proactively and preventatively
00:40:51.820 then big pharma's profits, these research institutions, the Chinese Communist Party
00:40:56.700 network of, you know, PLA-run labs, it's a win-win for them. Whereas if you actually get to the bottom
00:41:02.320 of why COVID-19 started, because of the Chinese Communist Party's quest to basically tank the Trump
00:41:07.420 campaign and, of course, reassert or rather assert their global hegemony and replace the United States
00:41:12.820 in the global world order, well, you come to some very, very different conclusions about how you have
00:41:17.420 to rectify that problem. And I can tell you a pandemic treaty that seeds more of our sovereignty,
00:41:21.860 not just to the Chinese Communist Party, but to big pharma, certainly isn't the answer to that.
00:41:26.360 So I think that is why you've seen so much kind of 4D chess from their side when it comes to shaping
00:41:31.740 the narrative about COVID. And don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that today we're going to see,
00:41:36.060 you know, true, true, true accountability. But just think about it. You know, a decade ago,
00:41:41.000 you didn't even see these deep state entities, these deep state figures on trial. They were still
00:41:45.460 doing censorship campaigns like this, maybe a little less in terms of magnitude, but they never
00:41:50.160 had to answer for it. It was just a normalized part of American life. But thanks to shows like yours,
00:41:55.180 like the work of the guests you've had on before, it is at least being exposed and they at least now
00:42:00.400 have to have their not just metaphorical, but literal day in court. As a great co-host,
00:42:07.420 you just teed up our next guest, Frank Gaffey. We've got about a minute here. Tee up what Natalie's
00:42:12.540 talking about. This World Health Organization, the Committee on the Present Danger China has made this
00:42:17.540 their number one target, at least for right now, on a kind of an emergency basis about how we need to
00:42:22.960 take action, action, action. Tell us what the problem is for a minute. I'm going to hold you through
00:42:26.780 the break. You're going to come back. Okay. I think I got a muted Frank Gaffney, but Frank Gaffney's
00:42:37.760 going boomer on me. That's okay. Or Denver. Here's what we're going to do. We're going to
00:42:41.960 unmute Frank and bring him back after the break. My very dramatic toss to him. Thanks guys.
00:42:48.020 Okay. Birchgold.com. You think it's turbulent today at the Supreme Court? I have to agree with Naomi
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00:43:04.340 be back in a minute. We're going to talk about the WHO treaty as Natalie just teed it up. They're
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00:45:50.720 Okay, Frank Gaffney has taken his, Frank Gaffney is off mute. Frank Gaffney, why, why, why is what's
00:45:57.440 happening on Capitol Hill at the Supreme Court right now? And you can go, Grace will, I'll show you guys
00:46:03.880 how to pick up the audio on our other channels on Getter and Rumble. But why, connect the dots here,
00:46:09.980 for what's happening on Capitol Hill, of what they've done to us, all the heroes over committing
00:46:14.500 on the present danger, China, War Room, all of our colleagues, the Bosobics, the Charlie Kirks,
00:46:19.640 Rav, all these great doctors, the really the hero doctors, and scientists and researchers.
00:46:25.440 Connect that to what's happening in Geneva on the World Health Organization new treaty.
00:46:31.720 Well, this couldn't be more providentially timed,
00:46:35.020 Steve, that the Supreme Court of the United States is considering whether what the Biden
00:46:39.260 administration has been doing to suppress all the people you've just mentioned, and many, many more.
00:46:44.420 It threw a bank shot, to be sure, of getting the social media platforms to do their dirty work.
00:46:51.120 But how can the court do other than conclude that this is a violation of our constitutional First
00:46:56.360 Amendment rights? But at the same moment that's taking place, the Biden administration is beavering
00:47:03.000 away. And the Senate is poised to give it the green light, to give up our First Amendment rights
00:47:11.480 to, wait for it, the World Health Organization. Now, how does that work? Well, we've talked about
00:47:18.080 this a good bit. It's a priority, yes, for the Committee on the Present Danger of China, because
00:47:21.880 this is the Chinese Communist Party's leading edge of what they call global governance. But we also have
00:47:28.120 a wonderful organization, pickup team, Sovereignty Coalition. You can find it at sovereigntycoalition.org.
00:47:34.160 And we've been warning about this for well over a year, that what the administration is doing is not
00:47:39.860 just surrendering our sovereignty to make public health policy in our own country to decide when we
00:47:47.300 have an emergency and what we must do about it. They're going to give that to this guy, Tedros
00:47:51.860 Gabresis, a Marxist from Ethiopia, for heaven's sakes. But beyond that, they're going to give
00:47:57.420 Tedros Gabresis a digital surveillance mechanism that will be able to monitor everybody. And Naomi
00:48:04.940 was talking about that kind of problem on steroids. Every human being on the planet will have a digital
00:48:10.460 ID that will be the social credit system of China in the making. But here's the kicker. In addition to
00:48:17.640 all of that, and we've heard from both Naomi and Natalie now about this pandemic treaty, there's
00:48:22.780 another agreement, by the way, amending international health regulations. They do both the same thing.
00:48:28.420 They're both treaties, according to the Congressional Research Service. But what the treaty in particular
00:48:33.700 will do, and they don't call it a treaty because you're not supposed to call it a treaty because then
00:48:37.500 the Senate has to consider it, but the Senate doesn't want to consider it. But it is a treaty,
00:48:43.240 as is the international health regulations. And this particular pandemic treaty will require
00:48:48.960 member nations of the World Health Organization to adopt mechanisms for preventing speech that is
00:48:59.180 disinforming or misinforming. In other words, doing exactly the kind of thing that the Biden
00:49:05.520 administration was doing on its own. Only this time around, conceivably, Steve, no matter what the
00:49:11.640 Supreme Court rules, you could have a treaty imposed upon us, not again by Senate action, but by executive
00:49:19.480 order, but with the force of a treaty that becomes the supreme law of the land, and therefore would trump
00:49:27.100 our First Amendment freedoms. This is why it's vital that this Friday, the House of Representatives
00:49:34.580 insist upon its formal position in the Foreign Operations Appropriations Bill, that there will be
00:49:43.800 no further funding of the World Health Organization, not this year, this fiscal year, which is halfway
00:49:49.560 through now, and not in the future, unless the United States Senate considers and advises and consents
00:49:57.180 to these agreements that are in the works. Absent that, there should be no funding. The Senate is trying to
00:50:03.100 say, no, no, no, no, no, we're going to give them full funding, and we're not going to take this stuff up
00:50:06.680 as treaties. That is unconscionable, and we need the War Room Posse to get engaged right now. This
00:50:14.200 conservative movement and a lot of others are spinning up about this, but we need the help of
00:50:18.780 this posse, because if you'll go to the SovereigntyCoalition.org website, there's an Align Act
00:50:24.620 campaign right there at the top of the page that puts you directly in touch with your representative
00:50:29.200 and says, stand with the House position. Do not surrender our liberties, our medical freedoms. Yes,
00:50:36.200 that's bad enough, but also our First Amendment free speech rights as well.
00:50:43.060 So where do people, once more time, where do people go?
00:50:47.000 SovereigntyCoalition.org. There's two things there, Steve. One is this direct appeal on the
00:50:52.420 appropriations measure. That's urgent. That needs to be done right now, because I'm sorry to tell you this,
00:50:58.380 but it won't surprise you, Steve. You've got Chuck Schumer, the guy who hates Israel. You got,
00:51:07.000 unfortunately, Mitch McConnell, who seems to be pretty much in the Chinese pocket. You've got
00:51:13.880 Hakeem Jeffries, of course, who's just a Marxist. And then you've got Speaker Johnson. And what has
00:51:21.780 happened when those four get together on all of these appropriations measures, these CRs, whatever
00:51:26.380 they're calling them now, to this point is all of the House language goes over the side and the Senate
00:51:32.440 position prevails. That must not happen with respect to the World Health Organization, because too much
00:51:37.960 is riding on this. If we lose this, Steve, it'll be the biggest surrender of our sovereignty since the
00:51:44.760 Panama Canal Treaty. And we need a fight equivalent to, in fact, greater than, because the stakes are
00:51:50.940 infinitely higher. We're not talking about a canal somewhere distant that has great strategic
00:51:56.140 import, yes. And by the way, all of the horribles that we thought were going to come out of this
00:52:00.740 have, as you know. But, Steve, this will touch every American's lives, because everybody's medical
00:52:06.600 freedom will be impacted by Dr. Tedros Cabras is becoming your next doctor. How about that?
00:52:12.340 The Panama Canal Treaty of Paris. Real quickly, Frank, where do they get to you? How do they find out
00:52:19.820 more about this? All of it, really, at this point, is two great sites. One is Door to Freedom. That's
00:52:27.700 the project of our friend and colleague, Meryl Nass, doortofreedom.org. And you can also find
00:52:33.120 these action items, as well as a great deal of additional content, at SovereigntyCoalition.org.
00:52:39.780 Present Danger China is always one of my favorites, as is securefreedom.org and securingamerica.tv.
00:52:47.440 Thank you so much, Frank Gaffney. We'll get into this more about the call to action and the use of
00:52:52.200 agency. God bless.
00:52:53.860 Make sure, I think this is as big as the Panama Canal Treaty was, even for its time. This is a hundred times
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