Bannon's War Room - April 05, 2024


Episode 3515： Lawfare Against MAGA


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In this episode, we look at why Donald Trump's amnesia advantage is a problem for Joe Biden in 2020 and why he should run for re-election in 2024. We also talk about why Joe Biden is a better choice than Donald Trump for the Democratic nomination.

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00:00:00.000 Donald Trump's amnesia advantage gets at what you were just talking about.
00:00:04.200 Susan writes, in part, the American presidency is the ultimate easy target, whether high gas prices due to the Russian invasion of Ukraine or post-pandemic inflation at the grocery store.
00:00:14.900 Biden absorbed the outrage while the mitigating steps taken by his administration have not redounded to his credit.
00:00:22.220 Susan continues, the incumbency bind is a real problem for Biden in 2024.
00:00:26.680 So, too, is the political amnesia powering the increasingly absurd arguments from Trump and his enablers about how he'd better handle everything from Israel and Ukraine to the border.
00:00:37.600 Forgetting Trump's own memory lapses and those of the broader electorate is one of the former president's political superpowers.
00:00:45.020 You could add to that list. I know you write about this, too, Susan.
00:00:48.060 January 6th, the rewriting of history around that, what he did around the 2020 election.
00:00:53.100 Donald Trump, still sort of like he did in 2016, wants to be the white knight riding in to save a country in decline, forgetting the fact that he was right there in the middle of it for four years adding to it.
00:01:05.300 Yeah, I'm pretty blown away. When you look at some of these numbers, it is just extraordinary.
00:01:10.800 It's as if the country, a large part of the country, has lost its collective mind, really.
00:01:17.040 I mean, you know, you see Donald Trump going up in polls on every sort of criteria, for example, leadership qualities.
00:01:25.660 You know, is he capable of managing the country well in a crisis?
00:01:29.860 It's it's literally like did all of America just sleep through 2020?
00:01:34.940 Did they forget this? And what I'm struck by is that it's across the board.
00:01:38.880 We're talking about Israel right now. And increasingly, I hear, as I'm sure you do, from many people, especially many young people who are not even fans of Donald Trump.
00:01:48.360 Well, what really is the difference between the two parties?
00:01:51.400 I mean, what is the difference between Joe Biden and Donald Trump?
00:01:54.480 And I think how is it even possible that this is the conversation we're having in 2024?
00:02:00.920 It's a remarkable thing. But I think you have to look at memory itself as on the ballot in in our elections this fall.
00:02:10.580 You know, look, I'm really glad we're talking about this because I don't think we talk about Trumpism and race enough.
00:02:15.720 All of this nonsense that it's about some sort of economic stress.
00:02:19.900 Look, Trump's coalition is 85 percent wide in a country that is becoming a minority majority country.
00:02:27.120 And that is the underlying aspect of this.
00:02:29.640 You know, race has always been, I think, the original sin of the modern Republican Party.
00:02:35.320 We failed at that when I worked in the party.
00:02:37.600 You go back to Eisenhower, he got 39 percent of the black vote.
00:02:40.480 It fell to seven percent with Goldwater.
00:02:42.760 Trump got eight percent. That's one point every 56 years.
00:02:46.360 But at least when I worked in the party, we admitted it was a failure.
00:02:49.900 I mean, Ken Millman, who was chairman of the party, went before the NAACP and apologized for the Southern strategy.
00:02:55.380 And there were efforts to try to change this.
00:02:58.260 But really, you know, the party failed.
00:03:00.640 The party failed at a policy level to ever put forth a program that appealed to more non-white Americans, particularly African Americans.
00:03:10.200 And now it's become just a full embrace of racism that the Republican Party is.
00:03:15.340 And if you're for the Republican Party, this is what you are for.
00:03:18.480 This isn't a cafeteria. You can't take from this and this and this.
00:03:22.140 You got the whole buffet and this is what it is.
00:03:24.920 And you have to come to grips with that.
00:03:26.760 Listen, my take on where things are right now is kind of simple, is that Joe Biden is a good president.
00:03:31.340 The country is better off.
00:03:32.960 The Democratic Party is strong in winning elections all across the country.
00:03:36.680 And they have Trump, who's the ugliest political thing we've ever seen.
00:03:39.360 And I think that, you know, we have the ability as analysts to not just be guided by single polls.
00:03:44.880 There's a lot of other things we look at to determine the strength of a candidacy or the strength of a political party.
00:03:51.000 Money being raised, quality of the candidate, the strength of the arguments, the team, their track record, all those things, Nicole.
00:03:56.480 You know, you've been part of this.
00:03:57.940 And when I look at everything and put it all together, what I see in 2024 is that I would much rather be us than them seven months out, because Joe Biden, as I said, is going to have a strong record to run on.
00:04:09.980 And I just don't know how you make dress up Trump and make him look like a serious presidential candidate in 2024.
00:04:15.220 This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
00:04:23.440 Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people.
00:04:28.660 I got a free shot.
00:04:29.920 All these networks lying about the people.
00:04:32.920 The people have had a belly full of it.
00:04:34.920 I know you don't like hearing that.
00:04:36.340 I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.
00:04:38.960 It's going to happen.
00:04:40.240 And where do people like that go to share the big line?
00:04:43.640 Mega Media.
00:04:44.540 I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
00:04:50.420 Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
00:04:54.160 If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
00:05:00.560 War Room.
00:05:01.380 Here's your host, Stephen K. Mann.
00:05:09.280 It's Friday, 5 April, Year Overlord 2024.
00:05:12.260 The meltdown you're hearing over at MSNBC through the mainstream media, the Biden campaign, all of it is the fact that President Trump's polling numbers in the battleground states continue to improve.
00:05:22.380 If you look at the cross tabs of all the quote unquote coalition that Joe Biden has, they continue to rapidly deteriorate.
00:05:29.040 And, of course, you had Susan Glasner up there, formerly a Politico, now one of the senior editors over at The New Yorker, throwing her toys out of the pram this morning as they're in full meltdown about why Donald Trump continues to have such incredible strength.
00:05:44.100 We're going to break down the shows into a couple of component pieces.
00:05:47.540 I want to make sure everybody can get this on their schedule at 6 o'clock tonight because I need the time to do it to actually, because the 6 o'clock show gives us a little better clock, as you guys know, to work with.
00:05:58.720 E.J. and Tony, Dave Bratt, and Dave Walsh will all join me as we break down the jobs numbers today, the economy, oil, what, going to $90 a barrel, the grid, all of it.
00:06:09.140 And particularly why in the battleground states, they say the data is so good for Biden, but the votes are going the exact opposite direction.
00:06:17.080 So we'll do that. Also going to have Jim Rickards here later to talk about Ukraine and geopolitics and Ambassador Rick Grinnell is going to join us.
00:06:26.340 But I've got to start with some pressing, pressing news and issues because the only thing they're going to stop Trump with, and they know this now, is lawfare.
00:06:34.160 Lawfare revolves around lawyers, and we're seeing a situation now that there's a war, absolute war, against anybody that will defend MAGA, anybody that will step up and defend the Trump movement, President Trump, all of it.
00:06:50.080 And it shows you a – because the progressives control the legal profession and they control the courts.
00:06:56.580 You've seen this with this fiasco in New York, the fiasco in Georgia, all of it.
00:07:00.200 But Jeff Clark and John Eastman are in the process of being disbarred.
00:07:06.580 I've got Josh Hammer here from Newsweek.
00:07:09.160 And Jeff Clark's lawyer, Harry McDougal, joins us.
00:07:12.840 Harry, first off, walk me through this kind of kangaroo court.
00:07:15.380 What is exactly going on with Jeff Clark?
00:07:17.420 Because Jeff is one of the most brilliant legal minds we have on our side of the football,
00:07:22.480 and they clearly have targeted him to take him out so he cannot work with MAGA, that he can't work in the – he can't be attorney general.
00:07:31.640 He can't be White House counsel, which he's up for those roles.
00:07:35.100 Walk me through exactly what's going on with Jeff Clark.
00:07:37.040 So, the D.C. Bar filed a specification of charges against Jeff in the summer of 22.
00:07:46.020 And we just concluded yesterday with an evidentiary hearing before a body that's referred to as a hearing committee.
00:07:55.000 They will issue a report and recommendation.
00:07:58.420 That will go up to the Board of Professional Responsibility.
00:08:01.700 Obviously, they will make a decision one way or the other, and then there's a right of appeal to the District of Columbia Court of Appeals.
00:08:10.520 But procedurally, this process looks like it came from the island of Dr. Moreau, because it's unlike any other sort of legal process.
00:08:23.500 Fundamentally, in legal proceedings, jurisdiction is a threshold question.
00:08:27.560 We have very strong fundamental jurisdictional challenges.
00:08:33.320 We have been told, well, we're going to do the hearing first, and then you'll decide jurisdiction later.
00:08:38.980 That's exactly backwards from the way it works in every other court in America.
00:08:44.160 And that's just one example of the procedural oddities and irregularities that operate to the prejudice of Jeff Clark or any lawyer who's caught up in this lawfare campaign against conservative lawyers.
00:09:01.160 Harry, keep it simple for us if you can, and particularly for myself because I'm not a lawyer.
00:09:06.800 What did Jeff Clark, what are they claiming, what are they claiming at the bar level?
00:09:12.680 This is all lawyers.
00:09:13.720 This is not in a court.
00:09:16.440 But what are they claiming Jeff Clark did that would actually rise to the level of taking his license to practice away?
00:09:23.800 I think that's what confuses people.
00:09:25.080 What are they saying Jeff Clark actually did?
00:09:28.660 You're not the only person that's confused by that.
00:09:31.140 I'm confused by that.
00:09:32.280 The specific charge laid is a violation of what's called Rule 8.4C, attempted dishonesty, and 8.4D, attempted serious interference with the administration of justice.
00:09:48.420 But that's just the window dressing for the real sin of Jeff Clark, which is that he is a heretic against the new secular religion in which questioning the election is prohibited.
00:10:05.040 And they actually – because I take it these bar associations or this whole thing, most of these lawyers are pretty left-wing, pretty progressive, and the panels that you argue in front of are pretty progressive?
00:10:20.980 I don't know the politics of the two lawyers on the panel.
00:10:25.000 There's a lay member of the panel.
00:10:26.780 Well, I believe that the disciplinary counsel's first job out of law school was on the Watergate Special Prosecution Force.
00:10:40.620 So where does this leave Clark today?
00:10:42.980 Have they given a recommendation?
00:10:44.740 Is he in limbo?
00:10:46.180 Are they – do you think they'll actually end up taking his ability to practice in Washington, D.C., away in the district?
00:10:53.560 I surely hope not.
00:10:55.600 But – so what they've done is they've made what they call a preliminary non-binding determination, which is an oxymoron, that there's at least one violation.
00:11:06.260 So which one of the two charges they think has been violated, I don't know.
00:11:11.260 They didn't say.
00:11:12.760 We have a process now where we have post-hearing briefings, and then they issue a report and recommendation, which could be quite a lengthy document.
00:11:20.200 It might take them quite a bit of time to put it together.
00:11:22.520 And then it goes to the board, and then it goes to the D.C. Court of Appeals, and that whole process could take additional years before it's finally completed.
00:11:30.940 But certainly they are seeking disbarment, and they're seeking disbarment over a draft letter that never left the office, that nobody knew about until it was leaked to the New York Times after Joe Biden was president.
00:11:44.720 And that was characterized as the greatest threat to the Republic since the Civil War.
00:11:49.520 Harry, how can people find out more about this case?
00:11:55.380 How can they find out more about you?
00:11:57.120 I mean, people are outraged in our audience because Jeff Clark is a beloved figure.
00:12:01.800 And not just that, he's going to be a very important part of President Trump's second term.
00:12:07.160 And I understand that the mainstream media that watches is going to melt down on that, but he is.
00:12:10.480 That's just a fact.
00:12:11.280 So where can people go to find out more about this and more about this fight?
00:12:14.580 Because this is critical.
00:12:15.660 We can't – Jeff Clark's one of our starters, and we can't lose him.
00:12:18.980 So where do people go?
00:12:20.520 Well, I would send him to Jeff's Place of Employment, which is the Center for Renewing America, or Jeff's social media feeds.
00:12:27.780 I don't tweet much about the case because it's – I could get in trouble for that.
00:12:34.020 So you won't find much on my Twitter feed about this case.
00:12:41.580 But Jeff's feed and the Center for Renewing America would probably be the best.
00:12:46.880 But I don't think we have a single repository for information or argument about the case.
00:12:51.800 Maybe that's something we'll put up going forward because there are some serious fundamental constitutional issues that need to be aired out.
00:13:00.060 What are those fundamental issues?
00:13:03.040 Well, there's a serious separation of powers issue and a federal supremacy issue.
00:13:08.560 It's our position that the D.C. bar does not get to walk into the Oval Office while the president is consulting with his senior legal advisers
00:13:20.500 and decide to punish one of them because they don't like the advice that he's giving.
00:13:24.160 That's up to the president of the United States.
00:13:26.600 The president of the United States had no complaint about Mr. Clark's advice.
00:13:29.700 He decided against the recommendation, but he did not make a bar complaint.
00:13:32.760 The bar complaint was made by Richard Durbin, who was a partisan warrior, and then it was picked up by the D.C. bar.
00:13:39.220 There's never been a case in the history of bar discipline in the United States that we can find
00:13:43.660 where a lawyer was disciplined over a draft document that never left the office.
00:13:48.300 Jeff Clark's the first.
00:13:50.040 And the case never should have been brought.
00:13:52.640 And if this is the way we're going to operate, there is no end.
00:13:56.100 There is no end to it.
00:13:57.940 It's Pandora's box on steroids.
00:14:02.760 Harry, from our audience, I just want to say thank you so much for defending Jeff Clark.
00:14:07.220 This has to be done.
00:14:08.260 This is one of the major ways they're trying to take down the MAGA movement, America First, the deplorables, the Trump movement, all of it.
00:14:16.100 They're going after – it's lawfare, but they're going after the lawyers.
00:14:19.020 So we want to thank you for having the guts and courage and smarts and toughness to stand up and fight this.
00:14:24.900 I know it's quite hard.
00:14:26.220 Well, thank you very much, and I thank you for putting out the story.
00:14:29.060 It is an important story.
00:14:30.240 It's the explicit objective of the left to destroy any lawyer that was willing to challenge the election.
00:14:39.500 And I have a target on my back.
00:14:41.260 Harry McDougal – yeah, we know.
00:14:44.060 We're going to cover you.
00:14:45.360 Harry McDougal, one of the patriots standing in the breach.
00:14:48.540 This is what courage is, folks, and courage is contagious.
00:14:51.980 We're going to take a short commercial break.
00:14:53.440 Josh Hammer is going to lay out the case of how the left is coming after the lawyers to destroy the Trump movement.
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00:17:16.820 Okay.
00:17:17.040 Josh Hammer.
00:17:19.400 And I want to give a shout out to Newsweek magazine and to Batya, what, Unger Sargon, who's one of the new editors over there, and what Josh Hammer did.
00:17:30.200 Newsweek, for being a major publication in the mainstream media, and obviously if you read most of the articles, they're not exactly loving on the MAGA movement of President Trump.
00:17:40.560 But the op-ed section, the editorial section, has some of the most brilliant opinion by leaders of the MAGA movement.
00:17:47.400 And it's quite brilliant.
00:17:49.120 Josh Hammer.
00:17:50.380 Josh, your piece today is about John Eastman, but it speaks to something larger.
00:17:55.560 And this is why I wanted to start the show with this today.
00:17:57.600 And we've got another big example coming up in a minute, is that there's a war in the lawfare.
00:18:04.500 They understand they've got to take out our kind of field-grade officers.
00:18:08.260 They need to take out the best lawyers in MAGA, either disbar them or make sure no white shoe law firm will hire them or no corporate client will hire them.
00:18:16.720 They have to destroy the lawyers because the lawfare is not going to stop.
00:18:23.460 There's a bunch of articles up today.
00:18:24.780 President Trump's still pressing on the recusal of the judge up in New York.
00:18:28.540 I think that's a pretty remote possibility of happening, but he's still hammering away at it.
00:18:32.380 But you see the lawfare last night, these decisions in Florida, what's happening in Georgia, what's happening in New York, what's happening in D.C.
00:18:40.180 Lawfare is their principal way to stop the MAGA movement, right?
00:18:43.680 Folks, it's obvious.
00:18:46.200 They can't sell their program.
00:18:48.960 They can't sell their program to their own constituents, their own coalition.
00:18:52.280 That's why it's coming apart, and they're freaking out, as you saw Susan Glasner in the open, the cold open of New Yorker on MSNBC this morning.
00:19:00.580 They're freaked out that Trump's numbers are rising against the very policies that they're putting in place.
00:19:06.740 So they've got to go to lawfare.
00:19:07.880 Josh, how big an issue is this, sir?
00:19:10.140 Steve, this is, I mean, this is the issue.
00:19:13.800 This literally is the issue.
00:19:15.220 So the way that I look at it, there are, it's basically a Venn diagram where you have one circle, which is the lawfare against Donald Trump.
00:19:23.220 Because as you said, Steve, that currently is their best shot to derail the Donald Trump campaign.
00:19:28.240 That is their best shot to ensure that Joe Biden is going to have a possible second term.
00:19:32.260 Then in the second circle, you have this broader war on the legal profession itself.
00:19:37.800 And the Venn diagram overlap, as far as I see it, really centers on two individuals, which is what I wrote my column about, one of whom is Jeffrey Clark.
00:19:45.120 We just heard from his lawyer, the attorney McDougal.
00:19:47.920 And then the other, of course, is John Eastman.
00:19:49.880 John Eastman and Jeffrey Clark are the Venn diagram overlap of the lawfare against Donald Trump and the left's broader war against the legal profession.
00:19:57.400 And we just heard a lot about Jeffrey Clark, so I'll just talk a little bit about John Eastman and himself.
00:20:01.600 So, first of all, I've known John personally for many years now.
00:20:04.460 I consider the man a friend.
00:20:05.940 I did the Claremont Institute Legal Fellowship with him about six years ago.
00:20:09.540 He oversaw that fellowship.
00:20:11.300 John is a legal scholar, Steve.
00:20:12.680 He was dean of Chapman University School of Law for many years.
00:20:15.960 He clerked for Justice Thomas on the Supreme Court back in the day, ran for attorney general of California.
00:20:20.060 He's published prolific academic articles on the Declaration of Independence, on birthright citizenship, and the 14th Amendment.
00:20:26.420 You name it, the man is a top-notch lawyer.
00:20:30.040 And he took on a client after the 2020 election who happens to be unpopular in the eyes of the government, in the eyes of the ruling class, in the eyes of societal elites in general.
00:20:39.640 That client, of course, happens to be Donald Trump.
00:20:41.820 And for having the temerity, for having the chutzpah to advance certain constitutional arguments pertaining to the 12th Amendment and then the Electoral Count Act of 1887 as well, for having the temerity to advance certain legal arguments at an admittedly tense, high-profile moment to a high-profile client, Steve, they have thrown this man through the ringer in every way possible.
00:21:05.100 They put spikes in his and his wife's driveway at their home in Santa Fe, New Mexico.
00:21:09.540 They spray-printed go-away insurrectionists in their neighborhood.
00:21:12.920 They've most recently debanked him from Bank of America and the USAA.
00:21:16.540 He had to retire from the law school where he was dean.
00:21:19.240 He had a visiting scholarship at the University of Colorado Boulder that was lost.
00:21:23.260 He's being prosecuted, along with Jeff Clark, by this far-left nutjob DA, Fonnie Willis, down in Georgia.
00:21:29.160 And then most recently, last week, you had this 128-page ruling from this crazy judge out in California in the state bar system out there, Judge Yvette Rowland, arguing why John Eastman should now be disbarred.
00:21:41.980 And all of this, Steve, it's really – the point you're making is sound – it's really not just about Donald Trump and the mogul.
00:21:48.780 It's very much about that.
00:21:50.340 But what they are doing, Steve, when it comes to John Eastman and Jeff Clark in particular, they're trying to send a message to all of us.
00:21:56.640 I went to University of Chicago Law School, the same law school that John Eastman went to.
00:22:00.380 They're trying to send a message to all of the right-of-center young lawyers and law students at the nation's top law schools.
00:22:06.080 Don't you dare think about going to represent Donald Trump or any other high-profile Republican.
00:22:11.860 Don't you dare, even so much as consider going to work in a future Republican Department of Justice.
00:22:17.180 Don't you dare think about that, or else we're going to blacklist you, issue a scarlet letter, and try to excise you from the polite confines of public American life.
00:22:24.880 That is what is going on right now.
00:22:26.660 That is what is on the line.
00:22:27.940 And again, as a personal friend of John Eastman, you can hear my passion.
00:22:30.720 I'm livid about this situation.
00:22:32.560 It is disgusting Stalinist tactics the likes of which I did not think I would ever see in this country.
00:22:36.820 No, he's one of the most revered, however you cut it, he's one of the most revered constitutional scholars in the country about the Constitution, number one.
00:22:46.380 Number two, the other aspect they're trying to do is make sure no white law firm, no major law firm will ever hire, will ever hire conservatives, will ever hire these young graduates.
00:22:56.840 And that's going to just thwart people.
00:22:58.780 They're going to sit there and go, hey, if I've spent, you know, since I've been in kindergarten, I've finished number one in my class so I could get to University of Chicago Law School, finish at the top of my class so I could really, you know, do my profession, be a Supreme Court clerk or a federal judge clerk.
00:23:13.660 All of that, they're trying to suppress it.
00:23:15.960 They're trying to tell the best and the brightest.
00:23:17.220 If you back MAGA, if you back the deplorables, if you back Trump or the Trump movement, you're out.
00:23:23.300 You're permanently out.
00:23:24.760 You're de-lawyered. 0.99
00:23:27.120 They're going after the best and the brightest in the legal profession on our side of the football to send a message to those people coming up.
00:23:34.560 They're using Eastman and Clark, and Clark's one of the most brilliant lawyers I've ever met.
00:23:39.440 They're focused on Clark and Eastman as examples to show people, if we can get these two guys, we can get you.
00:23:45.840 Am I wrong in that, brother?
00:23:49.980 No, you're not wrong at all, and I'll give you just one other example.
00:23:52.980 So I was actually in Columbus, Ohio a few weeks ago.
00:23:55.080 I was doing a federal society, a legal event there with a good friend of mine who was actually even a groomsman at my wedding back in December, a guy by the name of Elliot Geyser, who's the current Solicitor General of Ohio.
00:24:05.980 And, you know, this is all fairly public, so I'm not saying anything that's not already public.
00:24:09.620 But when Elliot was first announced as the next Solicitor General of Ohio, and the Solicitor General is the chief appellate lawyer in a given state, it's a pretty prominent and prestigious position.
00:24:19.620 When he was announced for that perch a few months ago, you had the left-leaning media in Ohio in particular that just flailed their arms up in the air, and they were apoplectic.
00:24:29.920 Why? Why?
00:24:31.260 Oh, because Elliot volunteered after the 2020 election to be a lawyer helping the Donald Trump campaign in those moments.
00:24:37.860 He was in the room with John Eastman and folks like that.
00:24:40.180 They tried very hard to derail my friend Elliot from even getting the Solicitor General perch.
00:24:44.320 Thankfully, they were unsuccessful, and now Ohio is blessed to have a tremendous Solicitor General.
00:24:49.920 But what you said is emphatically correct, Steve.
00:24:52.180 I have heard so many anecdotal stories of friends who were in the Trump administration, in the DOJ, or perhaps they were a lawyer in a different agency, Department of Labor, HHS, any of them.
00:25:02.640 I have heard so many anecdotal stories of lawyers who then, after the administration, after it was over and Biden took over and they wanted to go work at a white-shoe law firm in D.C., New York City, Chicago, anywhere else, they couldn't do it.
00:25:13.700 They literally could not do it.
00:25:15.620 And this is just part and parcel of the broader institutional rot that we're seeing.
00:25:19.920 It's not just big law.
00:25:21.080 It's big tech.
00:25:21.900 It's big finance.
00:25:22.860 It's the debanking.
00:25:23.880 We're just seeing this ruling class mentality that cannot so much as endure people who don't necessarily think like them.
00:25:31.520 And they are trying to make it so that so much as working for a high-profile Republican, representing him as your legal client or working in that DOJ, they're trying to make it so that move in and of itself is career suicide.
00:25:43.940 Again, that is what is on the line here.
00:25:45.760 It's not just about John Eastman.
00:25:47.900 It's not just about Jeffrey Clark.
00:25:49.500 But, look, I genuinely pray that Jeffrey Clark and John Eastman are not this barred, that they are not going to be found guilty in this sham of prosecution down in Georgia because there's so much on the line, Steve.
00:26:02.060 We're going to fight hard on this.
00:26:03.480 Josh, where do people get you, your great pieces on Newsweek, your social media podcast, all of it?
00:26:08.880 Yeah, I'm on Twitter, Josh underscore Hammer.
00:26:11.200 Instagram, at Josh B. Hammer.
00:26:13.020 My syndicated column goes up at Newsweek and a bunch of other right-of-center publications.
00:26:17.300 Then I host two of my own shows as well, The Josh Hammer Show and America on Trial with Josh Hammer, which is our daily show that covers all the legal stuff.
00:26:27.000 The Hammer.
00:26:28.100 Josh Hammer, thank you so much.
00:26:29.700 Brilliant piece.
00:26:30.420 We're going to make sure everybody gets it, Mo, and Grace will push it out. 0.97
00:26:34.460 Thank you, sir.
00:26:35.420 Thanks so much, Steve.
00:26:36.080 We're going to go to break with a very special spot.
00:26:38.560 Let's see it.
00:26:39.400 The press always asks me, don't I wish I were debating him?
00:26:43.540 No, I wish we were in high school.
00:26:44.780 I could take him behind the gym.
00:26:46.880 That's what I wish.
00:26:48.540 I said, no.
00:26:49.340 I said, if we were in high school, I'd take him behind the gym and beat the hell out of him.
00:26:52.760 I just don't even know why there aren't uprisings all of the country.
00:26:56.400 Maybe there will be.
00:26:57.240 That you cannot be civil with a political party that wants to destroy what you stand for, what you care about.
00:27:05.600 If you see anybody from that cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out and you create a crowd.
00:27:17.440 And you push back on them.
00:27:19.580 And you tell them they're not welcome.
00:27:22.400 You know, there needs to be unrest in the streets for as long as there's unrest in our lives.
00:27:26.340 Enemies of the state.
00:27:28.140 Show me where it says that protests are supposed to be polite and peaceful.
00:27:31.740 Kristen Walker, how do you resist the temptation to run up and wring her neck?
00:27:35.860 They go low, we kick them. 0.97
00:27:37.560 They're still going to have to go out and put a bullet in Donald Trump. 0.54
00:27:40.140 Yes, I have thought an awful lot about blowing up the White House.
00:27:47.300 Please, get up in the face of some congresspeople. 1.00
00:27:52.100 This is a stupid show.
00:27:53.120 There is no place for political violence in America.
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00:30:07.000 That's about the violence of the Democratic Party and how they're off the chain.
00:30:11.720 Yesterday in a federal court in Washington, D.C., a 71-year-old great-grandmother was found guilty of four misdemeanors,
00:30:20.020 including parading on the Capitol grounds, for that she's going to be sentenced right now in mid-August, 1.00
00:30:28.340 up to three years in a federal prison and a $250,000 fine.
00:30:34.000 That great-grandmother from Colorado Springs or near Colorado Springs, Colorado, joins us now, Rebecca Lovrens.
00:30:40.840 Thank you so much.
00:30:41.700 Walk me through.
00:30:42.140 Why?
00:30:42.800 What did you do?
00:30:44.660 This is what I'm very confused about because I've read everything about it, all the court.
00:30:47.820 What did you actually do?
00:30:49.760 What are you actually charged with?
00:30:51.260 These misdemeanors, they don't – what did you do?
00:30:53.680 What are you charged with?
00:30:55.720 Well, I'm charged with entering and remaining in a restricted building, disorderly and disruptive conduct in a restricted building,
00:31:04.000 disorderly and disruptive conduct in a Capitol building, and picketing and parading and demonstrating in a restricted building.
00:31:13.700 And you were in – I think – correct me if I'm wrong.
00:31:16.060 You were in the Capitol.
00:31:16.880 You walked into an open door.
00:31:18.460 In this video of this, you walked into an open door, and you were in the Capitol a total – was it nine minutes, eight minutes, nine minutes, something like that?
00:31:26.240 Ten minutes, yeah.
00:31:28.840 Yes.
00:31:29.600 I went to the Capitol.
00:31:31.360 You walked through the Capitol for – you walked through the Capitol, the Rotunda, for ten minutes, walked back – through an open door, walked back out, and you were found guilty on four misdemeanors by a jury, a Washington, D.C. jury.
00:31:44.880 You were found guilty.
00:31:45.640 And you – and the penalties for that are up to three years in a federal prison.
00:31:50.600 Am I correct in that?
00:31:52.180 That's what my attorney said.
00:31:53.780 Yep.
00:31:54.080 I just reconfirmed it with my attorney, John Pierce, and his firm.
00:31:58.320 They said that – I thought it was less than that, but they said it could be up to three years, according to all those – the charges that I was charged with for peacefully going into the Capitol.
00:32:06.540 So I went there to pray.
00:32:11.580 You went to the Capitol to pray?
00:32:13.720 Yes.
00:32:14.940 Of course, I got involved because I love God, my country, and my family, and I knew that something wasn't right in that 2020 election.
00:32:22.620 And even before that, I just said, our country's going down with all the liberties that felt like they were stripped away from us in 2020.
00:32:29.160 I thought, we've got to keep President Trump in there because he's the only one fighting to keep our nation free.
00:32:33.860 And I knew that his heart was at the right place, and I did whatever I could to campaign for him to get out the vote.
00:32:40.200 I got involved in my precinct and my local Republican Party, which is very – has a very strong grassroots Republican sharewoman.
00:32:49.120 And I got out – did whatever I could to campaign and get involved and got involved with another group that was really standing up for our freedoms and liberties.
00:32:58.580 And when the election turned out, when I woke up the next morning after watching it until they shut it down, I thought, oh, he's victorious.
00:33:07.460 I knew he had to have a landslide, and then we saw all those fraudulent irregularities.
00:33:12.540 And I've been a Christian since I was a teenager who knew that I didn't make myself – I didn't create myself.
00:33:19.100 But when I became a believer as a teenager when I was only 14, I knew that my life was no longer my own, and I decided to follow Jesus.
00:33:29.320 And Jesus said he's the way, the truth.
00:33:31.540 So I've made it my lifelong mission to know Jesus, and he's truth.
00:33:34.740 And so I've had a lifelong mission for truth, and I pray.
00:33:40.060 I've been a prayer warrior for all my life, but I'm also one that takes action to my faith.
00:33:48.380 And when my son – my oldest son called me – he has four children, and now he has a grandson, which makes me a great-grandmother.
00:33:56.600 He called me on, like, the 1st of January and said, Mom, are you going to go to the rally?
00:34:00.840 And I said, well, I haven't thought about it.
00:34:02.920 I'll pray about it.
00:34:03.740 And it didn't take very long, but because I love truth, that I knew I had to stand for truth and drive.
00:34:08.980 And because I never – I had chosen not to let my – to wear a mask.
00:34:16.420 So if they were going to restrict me from flying, I knew I had to drive.
00:34:19.900 So I drove the whole way, fasted, didn't eat anything, prayed, went out there just strictly to pray all by myself, on my own accord, not involved with anyone else.
00:34:30.040 And prayed at the Capitol and prayed the – outside, there was a prayer platform, ended up being able to pray the 1620 Mayflower Compact that says this country will give glory to God and advance the Christian faith.
00:34:43.080 And that's our 1620, over 400-year document that says that's what this country is founded on.
00:34:49.140 And if you're going to strip away all my liberties to –
00:34:56.140 She froze.
00:35:00.640 Okay.
00:35:01.080 Let's try to unfreeze her. 1.00
00:35:03.600 Okay.
00:35:04.380 Am I on again?
00:35:05.180 Continue on.
00:35:06.320 Continue on.
00:35:07.260 Yeah, you're on.
00:35:08.080 Continue on.
00:35:08.760 Hello?
00:35:09.440 Okay.
00:35:10.160 Am I still on?
00:35:12.900 You are, ma'am.
00:35:13.940 Yeah.
00:35:14.320 Just continue on.
00:35:15.120 Okay.
00:35:19.860 Okay.
00:35:20.340 She froze again.
00:35:20.960 Let's get it rebooted.
00:35:22.200 I want to bring in Rahim.
00:35:23.460 Here's the central thing.
00:35:24.720 You had a great-grandmother.
00:35:27.340 Her son said, hey, if you think about going to the rally with President Trump on the Ellipse and all that.
00:35:33.140 She prayed about it.
00:35:35.060 She left because she didn't believe in the mask and were in the mask.
00:35:37.640 She took off from Colorado Springs, Colorado and drove for two days.
00:35:41.820 I think she stopped in St. Louis.
00:35:43.040 She went to the J6 event.
00:35:47.940 And what she did is she prayed.
00:35:49.040 She went to pray by herself, not with a big group, by herself.
00:35:52.940 Prayed.
00:35:54.180 Then – and it's all on video – through an open door in the Capitol.
00:35:57.440 She walked in.
00:35:58.040 She was there for, I think, nine minutes.
00:35:59.820 She says ten minutes.
00:36:01.440 Ten minutes.
00:36:02.080 And she was in the – walked through the rotunda, walked out, prayed, and walked out.
00:36:06.240 For that, Merrick Garland's and Joe Biden's DOJ charged her with four misdemeanors parading on Capitol grounds, parading on Capitol grounds.
00:36:16.100 And she was protesting and parading on Capitol grounds, which, as Rahim can tell you, because we live in that Capitol Hill neighborhood, happens every day.
00:36:25.520 She was found guilty, and she will serve up to three years in a federal prison as a 71-year-old great-grandmother.
00:36:34.780 Now, Rahim, here's what's quite interesting about this.
00:36:37.700 Every day, MSNBC – and people – a very tiny part of the audience says, hey, do you have to play the MSNBC stuff?
00:36:43.600 Yes, we do.
00:36:44.200 If it's too much for you, I got it.
00:36:45.540 There are other shows.
00:36:46.600 But we're going to continue to play it because this is information war.
00:36:49.940 It's one of the major parts of this conflict we have is the information war.
00:36:53.560 You have to know how your enemy's shaping the narrative.
00:36:57.520 Now, Rahim, what is quite interesting is that no mainstream media, no MSNBC, no CNN, none of it, that spiked the football every day when a J6 person is found guilty, not one peep. 0.99
00:37:12.320 They know they jumped the shark on this.
00:37:14.700 They understand how outrageous this is.
00:37:17.040 And they understand how Rebecca Loverins can be a rally point for everybody who said, we've had a belly full of this now, okay?
00:37:25.140 They are political prisoners, and they are hostages.
00:37:28.980 And I point to a great-grandmother who turned her life over to Christ decades ago that went to the Capitol by herself to pray, to pray in the United States of America at the Capitol.
00:37:41.420 And for that, she's sentenced to up to three years in federal prison and a $250,000 fine.
00:37:48.800 Rahim Kassam, your thoughts, analysis, and observations, sir.
00:37:52.120 Yeah, thanks, Steve.
00:37:54.040 It's obviously a major, major travesty of justice that we're seeing.
00:37:58.540 But much like many of the other J6 cases that simply do not get as much detailed attention as they should be getting now, you know, we've been paying attention to Rebecca Loverins' case for a while now, going through it with a fine-tooth comb.
00:38:12.700 I've been through the video of her in the Capitol, like you say, no more than 10 minutes, standing in the Capitol, walked through an open door, was even chatting with a police officer as she walked into the Capitol in video that we will put up at the National Pulse later on today so that people can see for themselves and judge for themselves.
00:38:32.240 But this goes back to Josh Hammer's point.
00:38:34.360 It goes back to the point you've been making since the beginning of the show.
00:38:37.080 If this were a political campaign versus a political campaign, it would be over already.
00:38:42.000 I think most people are aware of that.
00:38:43.680 Most people recognize that.
00:38:44.740 Most people know that in their hearts.
00:38:46.360 That's why this is not a political campaign versus a political campaign in America in 2024.
00:38:51.300 This is a political campaign, a legal campaign, a lawfare campaign, a cultural campaign, an intersectional campaign, a media campaign, all against a political movement.
00:39:04.040 And it brings to mind that phrase that President Trump brings up every rally and almost every interview, right?
00:39:12.000 He says, they're not after me.
00:39:13.980 They're after you.
00:39:14.580 I'm just in the way.
00:39:15.700 Well, if Rebecca Lovrens isn't the most critical example of that quote, then I don't know what is, because this is the regime.
00:39:24.680 This is the state.
00:39:26.000 This is your country persecuting a great-grandmother, by the way, not just a grandmother, a great-grandmother, 71 years old, who walked into a building, by the way.
00:39:36.780 You say it correctly.
00:39:38.300 You know, we know this neighborhood very well.
00:39:39.620 I've lived here for nearly 10 years now.
00:39:41.400 I walk inside the Capitol all the time.
00:39:43.160 It's usually open to the public.
00:39:44.560 When Rebecca Lovrens walked in there, the policemen had their backs to the doors, holding them open, and she chatted with one of them on her way in.
00:39:52.160 And yet what you see here is them, as much as they possibly can, throwing the book at her.
00:39:57.820 This is the maximum number of charges that she could have faced, and it's the maximum number of guilty verdicts that she could have faced.
00:40:03.860 Now, sentencing is on August the 12th.
00:40:05.780 And in sentencing, she faces up to three years in jail, as well as up to $250,000 in fines.
00:40:13.420 That's why her lawyers at the NCLU, John Pierce, they have a crowd funder.
00:40:16.720 We've got a link to it in the National Pulse story, where people can go to Give, Send, Go and contribute to the legal costs of actually pushing back against this.
00:40:23.920 And the other thing that a lot of people don't realize, Steve, is that when the Give, Send, Go's are in the names of the actual people who are facing the charges,
00:40:32.820 Merrick Garland and Joe Biden's DOJ tries to seize those funds to stop them being able to represent themselves, to stop them having effective legal representation.
00:40:43.340 So that's why the NCLU, this is a campaign in the NCLU, her lawyers' names, so that those funds can't be seized and they can actually go towards representing her legally.
00:40:53.920 So I think they're at something like $45,000 now.
00:40:57.200 They're looking to get $100,000 here.
00:40:58.980 And obviously, we broke the story on the National Pulse this morning, per Rebecca Lavrens' statement, that she will be rightly appealing this verdict.
00:41:09.780 Talk to me about the mainstream media doesn't want to touch this right now.
00:41:13.180 They know they've jumped the shark, right?
00:41:15.240 And I'm going to get the names of the prosecutors.
00:41:16.980 We've got to make the prosecutors in this case famous.
00:41:19.940 We have to make Garland and all these people famous.
00:41:22.480 If people talk about the administrative state, what we're going to do with the deep state administrative state, we're going to purge all this upon taking power.
00:41:28.980 These people are evil.
00:41:31.000 They're evil to prosecute a great-grandmother for going into our nation's capital to pray.
00:41:36.240 You know one of the reasons?
00:41:38.040 They hate religion.
00:41:40.400 And they particularly hate Christianity.
00:41:42.480 And that's why they're after a 71-year-old great-grandmother and want to put her in prison for up to three years and a $250,000 fine. 0.64
00:41:50.320 And like you said, Garland will come in and grab even the funds that people try to put together to protect her. 0.75
00:41:56.520 They'll jump in and try to get that to take it for the fine. 0.99
00:41:59.380 This is pure evil.
00:42:00.800 And that's why they didn't spike the football last night on CNN and MSNBC.
00:42:05.140 They understand that this is what we call jumping the shark.
00:42:07.960 And she's going to be a rally point for people to say, hey, guess what?
00:42:11.600 Trump is right.
00:42:12.160 When he stands up there and says they're political prisoners and they're hostages, he's 1,000 percent correct.
00:42:19.020 Raheem Kassam.
00:42:20.460 Look, the day after President Trump gave his announcement speech at Mar-a-Lago, I did a bunch of media.
00:42:25.960 And I said, look, what's very clear here is that this is not a political battle that people are facing here.
00:42:32.160 This is a spiritual battle that people are facing here.
00:42:34.360 And that was the reason I think in my heart, with my political analyst hat on and with my spiritual hat on, that is why when President Trump said in that speech, he usually does make America strong again, make America safe again, make America great again.
00:42:51.640 And in that speech, he added, make America glorious again.
00:42:56.100 And I said it at the time and I've said it many times since.
00:42:59.060 It was there is difference between glory and greatness.
00:43:01.360 And the difference is spirituality.
00:43:03.940 The difference is the fight between good and evil.
00:43:06.580 Right.
00:43:06.840 And so that is that is what this is all about.
00:43:09.320 Of course, you're absolutely correct.
00:43:10.980 I'll read.
00:43:11.560 I'll reiterate it.
00:43:12.880 Not that it needs it.
00:43:14.320 They don't want to put Rebecca Lovins's case up on CNN.
00:43:18.380 They don't want to put it up on MSNBC.
00:43:20.680 I'd be very surprised if even Fox News put it up.
00:43:24.200 All these other corrupt cable news networks, because this is the epitome.
00:43:30.640 It's the epitome of the the overreach of the state, of the evil of the state.
00:43:36.520 And it kind of, in a sense, has the ability to turn the entire Jan 6th narrative on its head.
00:43:43.900 If Rebecca Lovins is on TV every single day from now until the election somewhere on the radio somewhere, that's off the table.
00:43:52.180 Jan 6th is off the table.
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00:47:17.560 Rebecca, we have Rebecca back up with a little technical mastery of our guys in Denver and our team here.
00:47:24.200 Rebecca, what did God tell you when you prayed to God in Colorado Springs after your son called you?
00:47:31.400 And you prayed before you went?
00:47:33.420 What did God tell you?
00:47:36.260 I felt he just told me you need to go and stand up for your country, you know, and stand for truth.
00:47:41.500 I've just been always a lover of truth.
00:47:43.260 So I just couldn't sit back.
00:47:46.080 And that's basically what he said.
00:47:48.420 And then as I got there, I realized the main reason I was there to stand up for my covenant.
00:47:51.860 I'm a very strong believer in covenants.
00:47:54.120 And covenants with God are a higher authority than what the government is maybe saying.
00:48:00.460 And so I know that my battle is not against flesh and blood,
00:48:03.300 but it's against spiritual principalities and powers.
00:48:08.700 And they always win.
00:48:10.460 One of my lifelong verses is John 10, 10 in the Bible and says,
00:48:14.540 The thief comes to kill, streel, and destroy.
00:48:17.040 But God came to give us life.
00:48:18.380 Jesus came to give life and life abundantly.
00:48:21.160 And I want to live my life abundantly.
00:48:22.700 And so I had to do whatever I could.
00:48:25.620 So I'm always about the original intent of something.
00:48:28.380 My dad was a government teacher and history teacher and also was a coach.
00:48:33.240 And so he taught me that as a, you know, when I was high school 50 some years ago,
00:48:38.040 that the role of the government is for limited.
00:48:40.560 It's only limited for fans of our country and roads are the only things I can remember.
00:48:45.540 It wasn't all this infringement in every part of our life.
00:48:48.700 And Jesus said he came to give us liberty and he said he came to set us free.
00:48:53.280 And if I can't live my life out on my five acres and have chickens and live my life,
00:49:00.280 then I've got to fight for that.
00:49:02.600 You know, evil is going to prevail if we don't, if good men do nothing.
00:49:07.200 And so I just felt like God said, you need to go.
00:49:10.060 And he actually, I think you said what he said.
00:49:12.660 I just remember I looked over, I spent a lot of time journaling, you know,
00:49:15.920 so I can know I'm hearing God.
00:49:17.280 And when I remember the thing that he, that he said is, Rebecca,
00:49:22.000 this is going to be an adventure for you.
00:49:24.400 And I know you want to live long and you're going to enjoy your life a lot longer
00:49:28.760 if you go on this trip with me.
00:49:30.400 And I'll be sitting in the right, in the passenger seat with you all the way.
00:49:33.940 And I was excited to go and stand up for what I thought was a republic of we, the people.
00:49:40.580 So, and I got, I feel like God chose me.
00:49:46.660 I felt like God chose me.
00:49:48.420 I mean, you just, you just, you just been found guilty in a federal court on four misdemeanors
00:49:53.420 up to three years in prison.
00:49:55.700 Would your father be proud of you today if he was here?
00:50:00.240 Oh, yes.
00:50:01.040 He definitely would have been.
00:50:03.040 I know he would have been.
00:50:04.300 He stood for truth all the way.
00:50:05.520 So did my mom.
00:50:06.400 They taught me to, to stand for truth.
00:50:08.520 And, and that's the way I was brought in.
00:50:10.440 It was just part of my DNA.
00:50:12.300 And I know my heavenly father's proud of me too, because I, I obeyed him to follow him
00:50:18.300 and do what he was asking me to do.
00:50:19.840 And it was, if he wouldn't have told me not, if he would have said, don't go, I wouldn't
00:50:23.500 have gone because I was a bigger purpose than, and as I said, it's like God, country, and
00:50:31.940 my family.
00:50:32.560 And I knew that my country was in really big trouble.
00:50:36.080 So, you know, if we're going to have socialism, Marxism, communism, and take God out of everything, 0.73
00:50:43.320 killing babies in the womb, and those kinds of things, then we don't, we're living in
00:50:49.520 a godless society.
00:50:50.420 And that's not what our country is founded on.
00:50:52.240 And I believe God wants to make our country, I know Josh said before, glorious, and I've
00:50:58.620 got a new maggot slogan.
00:51:00.140 It's make America godly again.
00:51:01.560 Because even before the 1620 Mayflower Covenant, there was a 1607 covenant that Robert Hunt
00:51:07.880 established when he came and landed at Cape Henry outside of Virginia Beach.
00:51:12.880 And he said that, he declared, put a cross on that, on that, out, the part of that island
00:51:21.180 that jutted out, the furthest part of the ocean that first landed.
00:51:24.300 He set up a cross along with 144 men and boys.
00:51:27.380 And he declared that this country would be, I believe, glory to God, and it would advance
00:51:33.900 the Christian faith, and it would be evangelists to the world.
00:51:36.600 But he also said that it would be a godly nation, and a godly nation for generations to
00:51:41.360 come.
00:51:42.080 And I think that's what I feel that God wants to help me restore.
00:51:45.700 Many people say that the January 6th people broke, we made the breach.
00:51:54.480 But actually, the breach was already made when we broke that covenant that this would be
00:51:59.040 a country that put God first.
00:52:01.860 And so I feel Isaiah 58, 12 says that we are called to be repairers of the breach.
00:52:07.040 And by me going there to pray peaceably, I believe I was, I'm part of that calling along
00:52:12.420 with a lot of other people that God's going to call up to repair the breach that's already
00:52:16.480 been broken, and a restorer of streets to dwell in.
00:52:19.980 Rebecca, where can people get more information?
00:52:24.600 Do you have a website, social media, where do people go?
00:52:27.360 I have a website called RestoringGodlyCulture.com.
00:52:32.680 You can go to that.
00:52:33.420 There's a donate tab on there where you can give to my fund.
00:52:36.700 And my biggest thing now, I felt like when I got that conviction that, first of all, I
00:52:43.140 went there thinking that to win.
00:52:45.320 There you got it.
00:52:46.440 Praying Grandma gets arrested.
00:52:47.540 But I felt like, you always, you talk about sports, and I grew up in a family where my
00:52:52.800 dad was a coach, my husband was a coach, my boys played college baseball, my girls played
00:52:57.940 every sport, baseball, softball, basketball, and you always have certain rules.
00:53:04.660 And I felt like, of course, you know, we're in the United States of America, there will
00:53:08.960 be, you know, I play by certain rules, and I was, I always go, even if I think I'm going
00:53:13.680 to lose, and I knew that it was going to be a, it wasn't going to be a very fair trial,
00:53:17.840 I didn't believe.
00:53:18.600 But I always go into something thinking I'm going to win.
00:53:21.600 But even if we don't win, and I thought I might win because they deliberated the jury
00:53:26.840 for almost, for three full days and a little bit more.
00:53:30.180 And I thought, you know, there could be a chance I could win.
00:53:33.260 You know, I'm not going to quit.
00:53:34.440 But anyway, I ended up knowing that, you know, you have to, sometimes you have to lose
00:53:39.140 the battle, but you win the war.
00:53:42.220 I think you are winning, Rebecca.
00:53:44.040 Thank you so much for joining us.
00:53:45.140 Look forward to having you back.
00:53:46.160 We'll send everybody to the site.
00:53:47.560 Rebecca Lovrens, a great grandmother found guilty by Merrick Garland's Justice Department
00:53:53.460 up to three years in a federal prison for praying in the Capitol.
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