In this episode, we look at why Donald Trump's amnesia advantage is a problem for Joe Biden in 2020 and why he should run for re-election in 2024. We also talk about why Joe Biden is a better choice than Donald Trump for the Democratic nomination.
00:00:00.000Donald Trump's amnesia advantage gets at what you were just talking about.
00:00:04.200Susan writes, in part, the American presidency is the ultimate easy target, whether high gas prices due to the Russian invasion of Ukraine or post-pandemic inflation at the grocery store.
00:00:14.900Biden absorbed the outrage while the mitigating steps taken by his administration have not redounded to his credit.
00:00:22.220Susan continues, the incumbency bind is a real problem for Biden in 2024.
00:00:26.680So, too, is the political amnesia powering the increasingly absurd arguments from Trump and his enablers about how he'd better handle everything from Israel and Ukraine to the border.
00:00:37.600Forgetting Trump's own memory lapses and those of the broader electorate is one of the former president's political superpowers.
00:00:45.020You could add to that list. I know you write about this, too, Susan.
00:00:48.060January 6th, the rewriting of history around that, what he did around the 2020 election.
00:00:53.100Donald Trump, still sort of like he did in 2016, wants to be the white knight riding in to save a country in decline, forgetting the fact that he was right there in the middle of it for four years adding to it.
00:01:05.300Yeah, I'm pretty blown away. When you look at some of these numbers, it is just extraordinary.
00:01:10.800It's as if the country, a large part of the country, has lost its collective mind, really.
00:01:17.040I mean, you know, you see Donald Trump going up in polls on every sort of criteria, for example, leadership qualities.
00:01:25.660You know, is he capable of managing the country well in a crisis?
00:01:29.860It's it's literally like did all of America just sleep through 2020?
00:01:34.940Did they forget this? And what I'm struck by is that it's across the board.
00:01:38.880We're talking about Israel right now. And increasingly, I hear, as I'm sure you do, from many people, especially many young people who are not even fans of Donald Trump.
00:01:48.360Well, what really is the difference between the two parties?
00:01:51.400I mean, what is the difference between Joe Biden and Donald Trump?
00:01:54.480And I think how is it even possible that this is the conversation we're having in 2024?
00:02:00.920It's a remarkable thing. But I think you have to look at memory itself as on the ballot in in our elections this fall.
00:02:10.580You know, look, I'm really glad we're talking about this because I don't think we talk about Trumpism and race enough.
00:02:15.720All of this nonsense that it's about some sort of economic stress.
00:02:19.900Look, Trump's coalition is 85 percent wide in a country that is becoming a minority majority country.
00:02:27.120And that is the underlying aspect of this.
00:02:29.640You know, race has always been, I think, the original sin of the modern Republican Party.
00:02:35.320We failed at that when I worked in the party.
00:02:37.600You go back to Eisenhower, he got 39 percent of the black vote.
00:02:40.480It fell to seven percent with Goldwater.
00:02:42.760Trump got eight percent. That's one point every 56 years.
00:02:46.360But at least when I worked in the party, we admitted it was a failure.
00:02:49.900I mean, Ken Millman, who was chairman of the party, went before the NAACP and apologized for the Southern strategy.
00:02:55.380And there were efforts to try to change this.
00:02:58.260But really, you know, the party failed.
00:03:00.640The party failed at a policy level to ever put forth a program that appealed to more non-white Americans, particularly African Americans.
00:03:10.200And now it's become just a full embrace of racism that the Republican Party is.
00:03:15.340And if you're for the Republican Party, this is what you are for.
00:03:18.480This isn't a cafeteria. You can't take from this and this and this.
00:03:22.140You got the whole buffet and this is what it is.
00:03:24.920And you have to come to grips with that.
00:03:26.760Listen, my take on where things are right now is kind of simple, is that Joe Biden is a good president.
00:03:57.940And when I look at everything and put it all together, what I see in 2024 is that I would much rather be us than them seven months out, because Joe Biden, as I said, is going to have a strong record to run on.
00:04:09.980And I just don't know how you make dress up Trump and make him look like a serious presidential candidate in 2024.
00:04:15.220This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
00:04:23.440Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people.
00:05:09.280It's Friday, 5 April, Year Overlord 2024.
00:05:12.260The meltdown you're hearing over at MSNBC through the mainstream media, the Biden campaign, all of it is the fact that President Trump's polling numbers in the battleground states continue to improve.
00:05:22.380If you look at the cross tabs of all the quote unquote coalition that Joe Biden has, they continue to rapidly deteriorate.
00:05:29.040And, of course, you had Susan Glasner up there, formerly a Politico, now one of the senior editors over at The New Yorker, throwing her toys out of the pram this morning as they're in full meltdown about why Donald Trump continues to have such incredible strength.
00:05:44.100We're going to break down the shows into a couple of component pieces.
00:05:47.540I want to make sure everybody can get this on their schedule at 6 o'clock tonight because I need the time to do it to actually, because the 6 o'clock show gives us a little better clock, as you guys know, to work with.
00:05:58.720E.J. and Tony, Dave Bratt, and Dave Walsh will all join me as we break down the jobs numbers today, the economy, oil, what, going to $90 a barrel, the grid, all of it.
00:06:09.140And particularly why in the battleground states, they say the data is so good for Biden, but the votes are going the exact opposite direction.
00:06:17.080So we'll do that. Also going to have Jim Rickards here later to talk about Ukraine and geopolitics and Ambassador Rick Grinnell is going to join us.
00:06:26.340But I've got to start with some pressing, pressing news and issues because the only thing they're going to stop Trump with, and they know this now, is lawfare.
00:06:34.160Lawfare revolves around lawyers, and we're seeing a situation now that there's a war, absolute war, against anybody that will defend MAGA, anybody that will step up and defend the Trump movement, President Trump, all of it.
00:06:50.080And it shows you a – because the progressives control the legal profession and they control the courts.
00:06:56.580You've seen this with this fiasco in New York, the fiasco in Georgia, all of it.
00:07:00.200But Jeff Clark and John Eastman are in the process of being disbarred.
00:07:06.580I've got Josh Hammer here from Newsweek.
00:07:09.160And Jeff Clark's lawyer, Harry McDougal, joins us.
00:07:12.840Harry, first off, walk me through this kind of kangaroo court.
00:07:15.380What is exactly going on with Jeff Clark?
00:07:17.420Because Jeff is one of the most brilliant legal minds we have on our side of the football,
00:07:22.480and they clearly have targeted him to take him out so he cannot work with MAGA, that he can't work in the – he can't be attorney general.
00:07:31.640He can't be White House counsel, which he's up for those roles.
00:07:35.100Walk me through exactly what's going on with Jeff Clark.
00:07:37.040So, the D.C. Bar filed a specification of charges against Jeff in the summer of 22.
00:07:46.020And we just concluded yesterday with an evidentiary hearing before a body that's referred to as a hearing committee.
00:07:55.000They will issue a report and recommendation.
00:07:58.420That will go up to the Board of Professional Responsibility.
00:08:01.700Obviously, they will make a decision one way or the other, and then there's a right of appeal to the District of Columbia Court of Appeals.
00:08:10.520But procedurally, this process looks like it came from the island of Dr. Moreau, because it's unlike any other sort of legal process.
00:08:23.500Fundamentally, in legal proceedings, jurisdiction is a threshold question.
00:08:27.560We have very strong fundamental jurisdictional challenges.
00:08:33.320We have been told, well, we're going to do the hearing first, and then you'll decide jurisdiction later.
00:08:38.980That's exactly backwards from the way it works in every other court in America.
00:08:44.160And that's just one example of the procedural oddities and irregularities that operate to the prejudice of Jeff Clark or any lawyer who's caught up in this lawfare campaign against conservative lawyers.
00:09:01.160Harry, keep it simple for us if you can, and particularly for myself because I'm not a lawyer.
00:09:06.800What did Jeff Clark, what are they claiming, what are they claiming at the bar level?
00:09:32.280The specific charge laid is a violation of what's called Rule 8.4C, attempted dishonesty, and 8.4D, attempted serious interference with the administration of justice.
00:09:48.420But that's just the window dressing for the real sin of Jeff Clark, which is that he is a heretic against the new secular religion in which questioning the election is prohibited.
00:10:05.040And they actually – because I take it these bar associations or this whole thing, most of these lawyers are pretty left-wing, pretty progressive, and the panels that you argue in front of are pretty progressive?
00:10:20.980I don't know the politics of the two lawyers on the panel.
00:10:55.600But – so what they've done is they've made what they call a preliminary non-binding determination, which is an oxymoron, that there's at least one violation.
00:11:06.260So which one of the two charges they think has been violated, I don't know.
00:11:12.760We have a process now where we have post-hearing briefings, and then they issue a report and recommendation, which could be quite a lengthy document.
00:11:20.200It might take them quite a bit of time to put it together.
00:11:22.520And then it goes to the board, and then it goes to the D.C. Court of Appeals, and that whole process could take additional years before it's finally completed.
00:11:30.940But certainly they are seeking disbarment, and they're seeking disbarment over a draft letter that never left the office, that nobody knew about until it was leaked to the New York Times after Joe Biden was president.
00:11:44.720And that was characterized as the greatest threat to the Republic since the Civil War.
00:11:49.520Harry, how can people find out more about this case?
00:12:20.520Well, I would send him to Jeff's Place of Employment, which is the Center for Renewing America, or Jeff's social media feeds.
00:12:27.780I don't tweet much about the case because it's – I could get in trouble for that.
00:12:34.020So you won't find much on my Twitter feed about this case.
00:12:41.580But Jeff's feed and the Center for Renewing America would probably be the best.
00:12:46.880But I don't think we have a single repository for information or argument about the case.
00:12:51.800Maybe that's something we'll put up going forward because there are some serious fundamental constitutional issues that need to be aired out.
00:13:03.040Well, there's a serious separation of powers issue and a federal supremacy issue.
00:13:08.560It's our position that the D.C. bar does not get to walk into the Oval Office while the president is consulting with his senior legal advisers
00:13:20.500and decide to punish one of them because they don't like the advice that he's giving.
00:13:24.160That's up to the president of the United States.
00:13:26.600The president of the United States had no complaint about Mr. Clark's advice.
00:13:29.700He decided against the recommendation, but he did not make a bar complaint.
00:13:32.760The bar complaint was made by Richard Durbin, who was a partisan warrior, and then it was picked up by the D.C. bar.
00:13:39.220There's never been a case in the history of bar discipline in the United States that we can find
00:13:43.660where a lawyer was disciplined over a draft document that never left the office.
00:14:08.260This is one of the major ways they're trying to take down the MAGA movement, America First, the deplorables, the Trump movement, all of it.
00:14:16.100They're going after – it's lawfare, but they're going after the lawyers.
00:14:19.020So we want to thank you for having the guts and courage and smarts and toughness to stand up and fight this.
00:17:19.400And I want to give a shout out to Newsweek magazine and to Batya, what, Unger Sargon, who's one of the new editors over there, and what Josh Hammer did.
00:17:30.200Newsweek, for being a major publication in the mainstream media, and obviously if you read most of the articles, they're not exactly loving on the MAGA movement of President Trump.
00:17:40.560But the op-ed section, the editorial section, has some of the most brilliant opinion by leaders of the MAGA movement.
00:17:50.380Josh, your piece today is about John Eastman, but it speaks to something larger.
00:17:55.560And this is why I wanted to start the show with this today.
00:17:57.600And we've got another big example coming up in a minute, is that there's a war in the lawfare.
00:18:04.500They understand they've got to take out our kind of field-grade officers.
00:18:08.260They need to take out the best lawyers in MAGA, either disbar them or make sure no white shoe law firm will hire them or no corporate client will hire them.
00:18:16.720They have to destroy the lawyers because the lawfare is not going to stop.
00:18:24.780President Trump's still pressing on the recusal of the judge up in New York.
00:18:28.540I think that's a pretty remote possibility of happening, but he's still hammering away at it.
00:18:32.380But you see the lawfare last night, these decisions in Florida, what's happening in Georgia, what's happening in New York, what's happening in D.C.
00:18:40.180Lawfare is their principal way to stop the MAGA movement, right?
00:18:48.960They can't sell their program to their own constituents, their own coalition.
00:18:52.280That's why it's coming apart, and they're freaking out, as you saw Susan Glasner in the open, the cold open of New Yorker on MSNBC this morning.
00:19:00.580They're freaked out that Trump's numbers are rising against the very policies that they're putting in place.
00:19:15.220So the way that I look at it, there are, it's basically a Venn diagram where you have one circle, which is the lawfare against Donald Trump.
00:19:23.220Because as you said, Steve, that currently is their best shot to derail the Donald Trump campaign.
00:19:28.240That is their best shot to ensure that Joe Biden is going to have a possible second term.
00:19:32.260Then in the second circle, you have this broader war on the legal profession itself.
00:19:37.800And the Venn diagram overlap, as far as I see it, really centers on two individuals, which is what I wrote my column about, one of whom is Jeffrey Clark.
00:19:45.120We just heard from his lawyer, the attorney McDougal.
00:19:47.920And then the other, of course, is John Eastman.
00:19:49.880John Eastman and Jeffrey Clark are the Venn diagram overlap of the lawfare against Donald Trump and the left's broader war against the legal profession.
00:19:57.400And we just heard a lot about Jeffrey Clark, so I'll just talk a little bit about John Eastman and himself.
00:20:01.600So, first of all, I've known John personally for many years now.
00:20:12.680He was dean of Chapman University School of Law for many years.
00:20:15.960He clerked for Justice Thomas on the Supreme Court back in the day, ran for attorney general of California.
00:20:20.060He's published prolific academic articles on the Declaration of Independence, on birthright citizenship, and the 14th Amendment.
00:20:26.420You name it, the man is a top-notch lawyer.
00:20:30.040And he took on a client after the 2020 election who happens to be unpopular in the eyes of the government, in the eyes of the ruling class, in the eyes of societal elites in general.
00:20:39.640That client, of course, happens to be Donald Trump.
00:20:41.820And for having the temerity, for having the chutzpah to advance certain constitutional arguments pertaining to the 12th Amendment and then the Electoral Count Act of 1887 as well, for having the temerity to advance certain legal arguments at an admittedly tense, high-profile moment to a high-profile client, Steve, they have thrown this man through the ringer in every way possible.
00:21:05.100They put spikes in his and his wife's driveway at their home in Santa Fe, New Mexico.
00:21:09.540They spray-printed go-away insurrectionists in their neighborhood.
00:21:12.920They've most recently debanked him from Bank of America and the USAA.
00:21:16.540He had to retire from the law school where he was dean.
00:21:19.240He had a visiting scholarship at the University of Colorado Boulder that was lost.
00:21:23.260He's being prosecuted, along with Jeff Clark, by this far-left nutjob DA, Fonnie Willis, down in Georgia.
00:21:29.160And then most recently, last week, you had this 128-page ruling from this crazy judge out in California in the state bar system out there, Judge Yvette Rowland, arguing why John Eastman should now be disbarred.
00:21:41.980And all of this, Steve, it's really – the point you're making is sound – it's really not just about Donald Trump and the mogul.
00:21:50.340But what they are doing, Steve, when it comes to John Eastman and Jeff Clark in particular, they're trying to send a message to all of us.
00:21:56.640I went to University of Chicago Law School, the same law school that John Eastman went to.
00:22:00.380They're trying to send a message to all of the right-of-center young lawyers and law students at the nation's top law schools.
00:22:06.080Don't you dare think about going to represent Donald Trump or any other high-profile Republican.
00:22:11.860Don't you dare, even so much as consider going to work in a future Republican Department of Justice.
00:22:17.180Don't you dare think about that, or else we're going to blacklist you, issue a scarlet letter, and try to excise you from the polite confines of public American life.
00:22:32.560It is disgusting Stalinist tactics the likes of which I did not think I would ever see in this country.
00:22:36.820No, he's one of the most revered, however you cut it, he's one of the most revered constitutional scholars in the country about the Constitution, number one.
00:22:46.380Number two, the other aspect they're trying to do is make sure no white law firm, no major law firm will ever hire, will ever hire conservatives, will ever hire these young graduates.
00:22:56.840And that's going to just thwart people.
00:22:58.780They're going to sit there and go, hey, if I've spent, you know, since I've been in kindergarten, I've finished number one in my class so I could get to University of Chicago Law School, finish at the top of my class so I could really, you know, do my profession, be a Supreme Court clerk or a federal judge clerk.
00:23:13.660All of that, they're trying to suppress it.
00:23:15.960They're trying to tell the best and the brightest.
00:23:17.220If you back MAGA, if you back the deplorables, if you back Trump or the Trump movement, you're out.
00:23:27.120They're going after the best and the brightest in the legal profession on our side of the football to send a message to those people coming up.
00:23:34.560They're using Eastman and Clark, and Clark's one of the most brilliant lawyers I've ever met.
00:23:39.440They're focused on Clark and Eastman as examples to show people, if we can get these two guys, we can get you.
00:23:49.980No, you're not wrong at all, and I'll give you just one other example.
00:23:52.980So I was actually in Columbus, Ohio a few weeks ago.
00:23:55.080I was doing a federal society, a legal event there with a good friend of mine who was actually even a groomsman at my wedding back in December, a guy by the name of Elliot Geyser, who's the current Solicitor General of Ohio.
00:24:05.980And, you know, this is all fairly public, so I'm not saying anything that's not already public.
00:24:09.620But when Elliot was first announced as the next Solicitor General of Ohio, and the Solicitor General is the chief appellate lawyer in a given state, it's a pretty prominent and prestigious position.
00:24:19.620When he was announced for that perch a few months ago, you had the left-leaning media in Ohio in particular that just flailed their arms up in the air, and they were apoplectic.
00:24:31.260Oh, because Elliot volunteered after the 2020 election to be a lawyer helping the Donald Trump campaign in those moments.
00:24:37.860He was in the room with John Eastman and folks like that.
00:24:40.180They tried very hard to derail my friend Elliot from even getting the Solicitor General perch.
00:24:44.320Thankfully, they were unsuccessful, and now Ohio is blessed to have a tremendous Solicitor General.
00:24:49.920But what you said is emphatically correct, Steve.
00:24:52.180I have heard so many anecdotal stories of friends who were in the Trump administration, in the DOJ, or perhaps they were a lawyer in a different agency, Department of Labor, HHS, any of them.
00:25:02.640I have heard so many anecdotal stories of lawyers who then, after the administration, after it was over and Biden took over and they wanted to go work at a white-shoe law firm in D.C., New York City, Chicago, anywhere else, they couldn't do it.
00:25:23.880We're just seeing this ruling class mentality that cannot so much as endure people who don't necessarily think like them.
00:25:31.520And they are trying to make it so that so much as working for a high-profile Republican, representing him as your legal client or working in that DOJ, they're trying to make it so that move in and of itself is career suicide.
00:25:43.940Again, that is what is on the line here.
00:25:49.500But, look, I genuinely pray that Jeffrey Clark and John Eastman are not this barred, that they are not going to be found guilty in this sham of prosecution down in Georgia because there's so much on the line, Steve.
00:26:13.020My syndicated column goes up at Newsweek and a bunch of other right-of-center publications.
00:26:17.300Then I host two of my own shows as well, The Josh Hammer Show and America on Trial with Josh Hammer, which is our daily show that covers all the legal stuff.
00:31:18.460In this video of this, you walked into an open door, and you were in the Capitol a total – was it nine minutes, eight minutes, nine minutes, something like that?
00:31:31.360You walked through the Capitol for – you walked through the Capitol, the Rotunda, for ten minutes, walked back – through an open door, walked back out, and you were found guilty on four misdemeanors by a jury, a Washington, D.C. jury.
00:31:54.080I just reconfirmed it with my attorney, John Pierce, and his firm.
00:31:58.320They said that – I thought it was less than that, but they said it could be up to three years, according to all those – the charges that I was charged with for peacefully going into the Capitol.
00:32:14.940Of course, I got involved because I love God, my country, and my family, and I knew that something wasn't right in that 2020 election.
00:32:22.620And even before that, I just said, our country's going down with all the liberties that felt like they were stripped away from us in 2020.
00:32:29.160I thought, we've got to keep President Trump in there because he's the only one fighting to keep our nation free.
00:32:33.860And I knew that his heart was at the right place, and I did whatever I could to campaign for him to get out the vote.
00:32:40.200I got involved in my precinct and my local Republican Party, which is very – has a very strong grassroots Republican sharewoman.
00:32:49.120And I got out – did whatever I could to campaign and get involved and got involved with another group that was really standing up for our freedoms and liberties.
00:32:58.580And when the election turned out, when I woke up the next morning after watching it until they shut it down, I thought, oh, he's victorious.
00:33:07.460I knew he had to have a landslide, and then we saw all those fraudulent irregularities.
00:33:12.540And I've been a Christian since I was a teenager who knew that I didn't make myself – I didn't create myself.
00:33:19.100But when I became a believer as a teenager when I was only 14, I knew that my life was no longer my own, and I decided to follow Jesus.
00:33:29.320And Jesus said he's the way, the truth.
00:33:31.540So I've made it my lifelong mission to know Jesus, and he's truth.
00:33:34.740And so I've had a lifelong mission for truth, and I pray.
00:33:40.060I've been a prayer warrior for all my life, but I'm also one that takes action to my faith.
00:33:48.380And when my son – my oldest son called me – he has four children, and now he has a grandson, which makes me a great-grandmother.
00:33:56.600He called me on, like, the 1st of January and said, Mom, are you going to go to the rally?
00:34:00.840And I said, well, I haven't thought about it.
00:34:03.740And it didn't take very long, but because I love truth, that I knew I had to stand for truth and drive.
00:34:08.980And because I never – I had chosen not to let my – to wear a mask.
00:34:16.420So if they were going to restrict me from flying, I knew I had to drive.
00:34:19.900So I drove the whole way, fasted, didn't eat anything, prayed, went out there just strictly to pray all by myself, on my own accord, not involved with anyone else.
00:34:30.040And prayed at the Capitol and prayed the – outside, there was a prayer platform, ended up being able to pray the 1620 Mayflower Compact that says this country will give glory to God and advance the Christian faith.
00:34:43.080And that's our 1620, over 400-year document that says that's what this country is founded on.
00:34:49.140And if you're going to strip away all my liberties to –
00:36:02.080And she was in the – walked through the rotunda, walked out, prayed, and walked out.
00:36:06.240For that, Merrick Garland's and Joe Biden's DOJ charged her with four misdemeanors parading on Capitol grounds, parading on Capitol grounds.
00:36:16.100And she was protesting and parading on Capitol grounds, which, as Rahim can tell you, because we live in that Capitol Hill neighborhood, happens every day.
00:36:25.520She was found guilty, and she will serve up to three years in a federal prison as a 71-year-old great-grandmother.
00:36:34.780Now, Rahim, here's what's quite interesting about this.
00:36:37.700Every day, MSNBC – and people – a very tiny part of the audience says, hey, do you have to play the MSNBC stuff?
00:36:46.600But we're going to continue to play it because this is information war.
00:36:49.940It's one of the major parts of this conflict we have is the information war.
00:36:53.560You have to know how your enemy's shaping the narrative.
00:36:57.520Now, Rahim, what is quite interesting is that no mainstream media, no MSNBC, no CNN, none of it, that spiked the football every day when a J6 person is found guilty, not one peep.
00:37:12.320They know they jumped the shark on this.
00:37:14.700They understand how outrageous this is.
00:37:17.040And they understand how Rebecca Loverins can be a rally point for everybody who said, we've had a belly full of this now, okay?
00:37:25.140They are political prisoners, and they are hostages.
00:37:28.980And I point to a great-grandmother who turned her life over to Christ decades ago that went to the Capitol by herself to pray, to pray in the United States of America at the Capitol.
00:37:41.420And for that, she's sentenced to up to three years in federal prison and a $250,000 fine.
00:37:48.800Rahim Kassam, your thoughts, analysis, and observations, sir.
00:37:54.040It's obviously a major, major travesty of justice that we're seeing.
00:37:58.540But much like many of the other J6 cases that simply do not get as much detailed attention as they should be getting now, you know, we've been paying attention to Rebecca Loverins' case for a while now, going through it with a fine-tooth comb.
00:38:12.700I've been through the video of her in the Capitol, like you say, no more than 10 minutes, standing in the Capitol, walked through an open door, was even chatting with a police officer as she walked into the Capitol in video that we will put up at the National Pulse later on today so that people can see for themselves and judge for themselves.
00:38:32.240But this goes back to Josh Hammer's point.
00:38:34.360It goes back to the point you've been making since the beginning of the show.
00:38:37.080If this were a political campaign versus a political campaign, it would be over already.
00:38:42.000I think most people are aware of that.
00:38:44.740Most people know that in their hearts.
00:38:46.360That's why this is not a political campaign versus a political campaign in America in 2024.
00:38:51.300This is a political campaign, a legal campaign, a lawfare campaign, a cultural campaign, an intersectional campaign, a media campaign, all against a political movement.
00:39:04.040And it brings to mind that phrase that President Trump brings up every rally and almost every interview, right?
00:39:26.000This is your country persecuting a great-grandmother, by the way, not just a grandmother, a great-grandmother, 71 years old, who walked into a building, by the way.
00:39:44.560When Rebecca Lovrens walked in there, the policemen had their backs to the doors, holding them open, and she chatted with one of them on her way in.
00:39:52.160And yet what you see here is them, as much as they possibly can, throwing the book at her.
00:39:57.820This is the maximum number of charges that she could have faced, and it's the maximum number of guilty verdicts that she could have faced.
00:40:03.860Now, sentencing is on August the 12th.
00:40:05.780And in sentencing, she faces up to three years in jail, as well as up to $250,000 in fines.
00:40:13.420That's why her lawyers at the NCLU, John Pierce, they have a crowd funder.
00:40:16.720We've got a link to it in the National Pulse story, where people can go to Give, Send, Go and contribute to the legal costs of actually pushing back against this.
00:40:23.920And the other thing that a lot of people don't realize, Steve, is that when the Give, Send, Go's are in the names of the actual people who are facing the charges,
00:40:32.820Merrick Garland and Joe Biden's DOJ tries to seize those funds to stop them being able to represent themselves, to stop them having effective legal representation.
00:40:43.340So that's why the NCLU, this is a campaign in the NCLU, her lawyers' names, so that those funds can't be seized and they can actually go towards representing her legally.
00:40:53.920So I think they're at something like $45,000 now.
00:40:58.980And obviously, we broke the story on the National Pulse this morning, per Rebecca Lavrens' statement, that she will be rightly appealing this verdict.
00:41:09.780Talk to me about the mainstream media doesn't want to touch this right now.
00:41:13.180They know they've jumped the shark, right?
00:41:15.240And I'm going to get the names of the prosecutors.
00:41:16.980We've got to make the prosecutors in this case famous.
00:41:19.940We have to make Garland and all these people famous.
00:41:22.480If people talk about the administrative state, what we're going to do with the deep state administrative state, we're going to purge all this upon taking power.
00:42:20.460Look, the day after President Trump gave his announcement speech at Mar-a-Lago, I did a bunch of media.
00:42:25.960And I said, look, what's very clear here is that this is not a political battle that people are facing here.
00:42:32.160This is a spiritual battle that people are facing here.
00:42:34.360And that was the reason I think in my heart, with my political analyst hat on and with my spiritual hat on, that is why when President Trump said in that speech, he usually does make America strong again, make America safe again, make America great again.
00:42:51.640And in that speech, he added, make America glorious again.
00:42:56.100And I said it at the time and I've said it many times since.
00:42:59.060It was there is difference between glory and greatness.
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