On today's show, host Alex Blumberg sits down with writer Isaac Arnstorff to discuss a piece he wrote about the rise of the MAGA movement and the role that Steve Bannon played in it. They discuss the role of the alt-right in the Trump administration, and how it intersects with the broader conservative movement.
00:00:00.000How key MAGA figures like Steve Bannon are helping and using Donald Trump to turn January 6th into a success story of authoritarianism here in the U.S.
00:00:09.400He writes this, quote, Bannon believed the MAGA movement, if it could break out of being suppressed and marginalized by the establishment, represented a dominant coalition that could rule for 100 years.
00:00:20.340The Republicans were the ones standing in the way of Bannon's plans, quote, the first guys that we got to take down is a Republican Party, he said.
00:00:27.560We haven't done that yet. We're getting there.
00:00:29.480Trump's our instrument. We're getting there. We're back. The author, Isaac Arnstorff.
00:00:33.960Congrats. Pub Day is tomorrow. Thank you.
00:00:36.920We were joking about being eclipsed by the eclipse. You won't be. You're in the clear now. It's over.
00:00:42.240Tell me about I mean, their successes are clear.
00:00:46.620I mean, there is no Republican Party. It's Trumpism. And Joe Biden is running against Trumpism.
00:00:51.000Joe Biden's running against a MAGA movement that isn't maybe as big as it was in 16, but it is certainly more virulent.
00:00:57.960And tell me if that is a means to an end or the end.
00:01:02.080What it has is it has an institutional home now, which is the Republican Party itself.
00:01:08.320And this is really something that changed in the aftermath of January 6th, because the story that developed in the movement and Bannon had a huge role in this was that the reason Trump failed,
00:01:18.980the reason that he couldn't stay in office on January 6th was because of a few uncooperative Republicans.
00:01:24.900And there's actually a lot of truth in that. Right. If you think about the Republicans who stood up to him and prevented him from overturning the election, it was Republicans.
00:01:33.980And so the idea was that the movement needed to take over the party and they need to do it from the ground up, from the precincts to the counties, to the districts, to the states.
00:01:42.340And then they could they could purge the party of anyone who wouldn't be there next time when everything was on the line.
00:01:49.480And that's what we have now is the movement being channeled into this structure, into this apparatus, the party organization itself that has made it so much more effective, actually, in that time when Trump has been out of power.
00:02:02.060Or in the piece, do I say that Donald Trump and Joe Biden are identical or that they're both doing the same thing?
00:02:07.860I don't really talk about them that much. I talk much more about the country.
00:02:11.740But you understand that conventional framing elevates an autocrat.
00:02:16.960There's no doubt that what Donald Trump has done, particularly in tearing at democracy and tearing at norms.
00:02:24.220And I think norms, customs, democracy, freedom, vote like those things so fundamentally matter.
00:02:31.660And there's no doubt that that is in a different category than Biden.
00:02:35.000My point is, take Trump away. You're still going to be you're still going to have a version of this.
00:02:41.220It's not like right now, maybe Donald Trump certainly accelerated it.
00:02:45.600But now, listen, if Donald Trump left tomorrow, he's gone. He's off the stage.
00:02:49.320What we're talking about still exists. This idea that like sort of like who's going to replace Trump in the Republican Party?
00:02:55.980It's not going to be Mitt Romney. It's going to be someone like Donald Trump because of like the activist wing, the 20 percent.
00:03:04.060They buy into the stuff that he talks about. But I still think what I'm trying to state is that that's a fringe view that is still on most topics.
00:03:13.260Most people, I think, are sensible. And the thought experiment that I use and I would encourage you to use is think about the 150, 200 people you meet in a given year that you can make an appraisal of your family, your friends, people you run into at work.
00:03:26.660I bet that you would say 95 percent of those people are basically normal.
00:03:30.260Do they volunteer? Do they give money to good causes? Do they help you shovel in a snowstorm?
00:03:35.620I bet you say that they would. And what I'm trying to do with the piece is remind people that is what keeps this country together.
00:03:42.060That is what is most people normally or whatever you used over there, Willie, is a term I think is great.
00:03:47.640I call it normal America. I think that is 70 percent of the country.
00:03:51.020But it's the first time in any party's history that it hasn't sought to persuade enough people to vote for them.
00:03:58.060So they win fair and square. It is a campaign before anyone has voted predicated on cheating.
00:04:02.740Do they acknowledge that? Well, do they acknowledge that? No, because they'd be acknowledging it's all a lie.
00:04:11.040I mean, part of the tension in reporting the book is the people who who really do believe it because of their own personal experiences or because of everything that's been told.
00:04:22.020Bannon knows Trump lost. Bannon is in this weird space of if it's a mask, I've never seen it slip.
00:04:28.160And I've seen him be more forceful. Biden thinks that Biden got fewer votes than Trump.
00:04:32.840I've never seen I've seen him be more forceful about it sometimes than others.
00:04:36.960But but there's that tension between people who are doing it opportunistically, who are playing it, who are manipulating it versus the people who who really do believe it.
00:04:45.600And you have to take both seriously. They're they're they're both different elements of the movement.
00:04:50.180Is this this is the new Republican Party, though, David, they are literally leading a white nationalist movement grafted on to the Republican Party.
00:05:56.720And you see in Romney and Cheney and others people who have stepped aside from mainstream MAGA Republicanism because they see in Donald Trump exactly who you and the Rev have articulated.
00:06:08.500You know, we we fall short in seeing this as merely an election.
00:06:12.540This is a transitional moment in November for the country.
00:06:15.080If we elevate someone who is racist, misogynistic, xenophobic, bigoted, who wants to return to a dictatorship, that is the question for the American people in November.
00:06:37.660But I've never thought that he's the cause.
00:06:39.820He's a symptom of it, maybe a big symptom of it.
00:06:43.080But a lot of this stuff exists nonetheless.
00:06:46.300But when you even when you talk to those Trump supporters, like when you get outside of the big cities, you talk to them and you really push them on what they believe.
00:06:54.620Like, yeah, maybe they're telling a pollster they think the election was stolen.
00:06:57.720But the more you talk to them, they don't really feel that they just think that they don't trust anything.
00:07:04.300So it's kind of like a middle finger to pollsters, the media and the politics in general.
00:07:09.400And by the way, if you really thought that the election was stolen, if like tens of millions of people, you would just passively say, oh, yeah, it was stolen.
00:07:16.380I'm not going to do anything about it.
00:07:17.440You'd storm the streets if you actually believed in your bones in large numbers that that was the truth.
00:07:23.360And that's the tribal nature that you're seeing in politics.
00:07:27.000And a little bit of this is because so many people have torn down all the institutions that held all of us together when we were kids.
00:07:34.640Right. Boy Scouts, Girl Scouts, churches, business, government, media.
00:07:39.220When everyone trusts nothing and everyone is just like left on their own, you kind of get the politics that you have today.
00:07:46.920And I think, you know, I think this is the primal scream of a dying regime.
00:07:56.080Pray for our enemies because we're going to medieval on these people.
00:08:48.000Today, we're going to have Caroline Glickson join us in a while to talk about the situation in Israel, the war there in Gaza.
00:08:54.800Naomi Wolf is going to be later about the World Health Organization, also what's happening about these vaccines in the United Kingdom and our own CDC.
00:09:17.140But if you've got a chance to see the streaming that we did of her town hall, I would say that if you had to take a vote, the 14th District of Georgia in that town hall last night was ready to march on Washington, right?
00:09:36.920We just had to do a smash cut over the last 48 hours because, remember, President Trump, the show trial, the Moscow show trial of 1935 to put President Trump in prison starts on Monday.
00:09:49.780It looks like I think that's going to happen.
00:09:51.520I know there's a lot of motions out there, but I think we've got to plan on Monday.
00:09:56.140We're going to have very special coverage on this trial because this thing is about bookkeeping entries is a joke, but they're going to use this to try to destroy President Trump in front of the American people.
00:10:07.680And we are not going to allow that to happen.
00:10:10.960Of course, you saw there this new book out, Finish What We Started, about the precinct strategy, the grassroots movement, the taking over the school boards, all of it, and particularly taking over the Republican Party is out today.
00:10:25.340The author is doing the rounds, and people are in shock.
00:10:29.300They're all in shock about how President Trump inspires the MAGA movement to put their shoulder to the wheel every day.
00:11:16.880We were banned for – about what they call election denialism, telling them that the 2020 election was stolen.
00:11:22.840And Jim Vanderhaid, this whole article of Vanderhaid, normally Mike Allen and Jim are dead spot on about the shards of glass, about mainstream media cracking.
00:11:33.020This follow-on is kind of redonkulous.
00:11:36.060If you ask everybody in this audience, 2020 election was stolen, absolutely it was stolen, and we can walk you through chapter and verse of how it was stolen.
00:11:43.300All the catastrophic consequences have come from that.
00:11:45.440And don't think we're not going to hold people accountable after January 2025.
00:12:25.920And, yes, the 2020 election was stolen.
00:12:28.020You're going to try to steal this one.
00:12:30.640Do you think you're not going to try to steal it?
00:12:32.140We know you're going to try to steal it.
00:12:33.540And we're not going to allow it because this time I think we're better prepared not to say that, hey, that Raheem and Bill McGinley, myself, went around in July, August, September of 2020 with the Transitional Integrity Project, right, and told you exactly how they were going to steal it because Mark Elias told you how he was going to steal it.
00:12:55.900And then Molly Ball wrote it up on the cover of Time magazine.
00:12:59.760Molly Ball wrote it up on the cover of Time magazine a couple of months later where they were all trying to take credit for how they stole it.
00:13:09.360We're never going to back down on this.
00:16:25.460And, of course, the established order, because they're not playing with, when they talk about MAGA and War Room and Charlie Kirk and posts on, by the way, Kirk's in Nebraska.
00:16:33.460They will get that poster up in a while.
00:16:34.940I want everybody at that rally about winner take all because you get that one electoral vote in Nebraska, no path.
00:16:41.040There's no path for Biden, none, zero.
00:16:45.660Has to go to a contingent election, and we win there, as you know from the stolen election of 2020.
00:16:52.120Dave Bratt, your thoughts and observations.
00:16:54.620Particularly, you were elected by grassroots.
00:16:58.600He was elected by a grassroots movement that, shocked for the first time in the history of our country, actually beat a sitting majority leader in a primary.
00:17:34.100The receipts I have, which we've had on this show forever, the fundamental transformation of this country culturally, where the middle class woke up, was in 2007, 2008 with a financial crisis, where they got ripped off big time.
00:17:49.520And our grandparents, if they weren't financially astute, sold off their assets and lost half their money in their retirement accounts.
00:19:04.760These atheistic neo-Marxists hate it, and that's why they hate Trump more than anything.
00:19:09.460That's why Trump must pay because he's got to be a symbol to anybody else, anybody else that's been as successful as him to get out of line.
00:19:19.700This is why the billionaires – the billionaires are sitting there writing checks on Saturday night in Mar-a-Lago or John Paulson's house.
00:19:25.500Remember, 95 percent of them opposed him.
00:19:29.840The reason is they understand there's a penalty to be paid in the material world if you step up like President Trump had.
00:19:36.120This is why I say he's got more moral courage than all these guys.
00:19:39.640No matter how they hit him with all this crap, he's got more moral courage because when his republic was on the line and the citizens of his republic was on the line, he stepped into the breach.
00:19:50.260If we didn't have Trump, we'd have nothing.
00:20:16.220And all of these issues, right, the world – the charts I'm going to show are all being run by the billionaire class.
00:20:22.060We have no say-so except at the ballot box.
00:20:24.840That's the only place right now where the majority matters.
00:20:28.620And that's why the left is trying to disenfranchise the Judeo-Christian tradition and the nice people and the West.
00:20:34.720The motivating force is the left themselves, right?
00:20:37.800I wish there was a huge transformation going on within the church right now.
00:20:41.580But when you put Trans Appreciation Day on Easter Sunday and then deny it and Easter egg stuff and all the symbolic stuff that's real, as you say, that matters.
00:21:44.940People have come here because they know from the time of the first impeachment, the pandemic, the election of 2020, capital markets, gold today, 23 cents.
00:22:27.260And we're banned on every platform in the world, including the absolutist in free speech, Elon Musk, because we're so anti-CCP, and he's owned by the CCP.
00:22:36.680Although he's fighting a pretty good fight in Brazil.
00:22:38.260We're going to get Mike Benz, hope, up this afternoon.
00:22:41.840Your charts are so good at explaining exactly where we are with the ruling class.
00:22:46.380But I want to play from last night, Elizabeth Warren and Joy Henry, because, folks, this is an information war.
00:22:54.000They're running on you right now to try to sell this.
00:22:56.940Let's go ahead and play it, and I'll bring Dave Brett back in.
00:22:58.840He was slamming the fact that he said undocumented immigrants got some of the jobs that caused the low unemployment rate.
00:23:06.400Isn't it the case that when job growth improves, that means that the people who are picking the lettuce and picking the strawberries and picking the fields to make sure that people have food also get jobs?
00:23:20.800And the people who are doing the chicken plucking plant, the dangerous work where their fingers get chopped off, some of those people are undocumented.
00:23:27.400Is it a bad thing that they're doing those jobs or, in your mind, a good thing?
00:23:33.240You know, look, I want everyone to have work permits.
00:23:37.220So if they're here and they're here on parole or however it is they're here, they need those work permits.
00:23:44.220And the reason they need it is so they don't get exploited in the work that they do.
00:23:52.100Immigrants in the United States boost our economy.
00:23:55.800They make our economy work better and faster.
00:23:58.940They are out there in a country where we have a significant portion of people who have retired or who are about to retire, who are not in the workforce.
00:24:09.260Immigrants are much more likely to be in the workforce.
00:24:12.560They pay taxes and they help support Social Security.
00:24:15.900You want the economy to work, then we need to get those immigrants' work permits and have them out there working.
00:24:24.060Twenty-five percent of men in this country are not in the active labor force because you flooded the zone with illegal alien labor that you can exploit and is exploited.
00:24:36.120And she's sitting there, you know, the professor, the bankruptcy professor, we've got to get them work permits.
00:24:40.420They're trying to sell you that without the invasion of the 10 million illegal aliens, the economy couldn't work.
00:24:52.760They're trying to convince you against American citizens.
00:24:56.540And if African-Americans, Hispanics, people under 35 don't wake up to the fact that they want you to be Russian serfs and their business model is to have you as Russian serfs and have an indentured servitude class even below you, that makes this whole system work.
00:25:12.660If you don't rise up against that, if you continue to vote for that, then, hey, they're going to give it to you every day.
00:25:19.980So don't come back here whining to us.
00:25:22.280We've made this clear for years now of what the scam is.
00:25:26.720And now, understanding we've exposed it, they're trying to twist it and sell it as a positive.
00:25:33.900Yeah, well, in addition to the young man, as E.J. and Tony and you and the whole team have shown over and over and over, all the new jobs are part-time, right?
00:27:35.400I'm there the day before the constitutional sheriffs and the great Mike Lindell to walk through his Supreme Court case and to walk through the machines and all that.
00:31:01.980We'll talk about it in the second hour.
00:31:03.380However, I've got—and so Ahern Hotel next week, we had a sellout, beyond a sellout crowd, standing room only, at CPAC the day before.
00:31:13.220This is actually going to be more intense, I think, because we're kind of coming up the learning curve of how to impart this information to folks,
00:31:19.900this kind of gladiator school, so I want everybody there.
00:31:23.880She's going to come up, but I've got to play a short, cold open for Caroline, because the situation in Israel is quite confusing.
00:31:30.620Let's play this and bring in Caroline Glick.
00:31:32.180Meanwhile, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu says a date has been set to launch a ground offensive in the southern Gaza city of Rafah.
00:31:42.520Netanyahu made the announcement in a video statement yesterday saying this is needed to ensure victory over Hamas.
00:31:50.720He did not reveal when the operation will begin.
00:31:53.400Again, it comes just a day after Israeli defense forces withdrew troops from southern Gaza's largest city, further shrinking its presence in Gaza.
00:32:04.600The Biden administration has been warning Israel to not launch an offensive in Rafah, saying it will worsen the already dire humanitarian crisis.
00:32:14.560More than a million people have sought refuge in the city, and there is famine and disease spreading.
00:32:22.060This is why people come to the war room.
00:32:25.720Remember the last 48 hours on Getter and here on this show.
00:32:29.300And the head of the IDF, the Times of Israel, or the Israel News Network, head of the IDF, saying,
00:32:34.720Oh, no, we're going to do tactical special forces.
00:33:44.420Well, I mean, the generals who were talking about special forces operations are talking about the areas of Gaza,
00:33:48.940where we've already destroyed their conventional forces.
00:33:51.300When Hamas invaded Israel with the Palestinian Islamic Jihad and the Palestinian Authority fighters from Fatah
00:33:59.000and thousands of Palestinian civilians from Gaza on October 7th,
00:34:03.940they actually came as an organized fighting force of division-level force.
00:34:09.640And they came in and they conquered territory.
00:34:11.620And then what they did was they committed a slaughter in barbaric, pre-civilizational ways.
00:34:18.940But they were an organized conventional army, and they had 24 battalions.
00:34:25.800Israel's destroyed all but the last four or five of those battalions, which are holed up in Rafa.
00:34:32.060So the large conventional aspect of this war has been won throughout Gaza, except in Rafa,
00:34:39.180where you have the last conventional forces of Hamas.
00:34:42.760You also have the international border with Egypt.
00:34:44.940So Israel needs to seize that border, and it needs to end the conventional force to eradicate it of Hamas.
00:34:52.720But then, you know, that just begins the counterinsurgency phase of the operation.
00:34:58.000And we've already begun it in northern Gaza, which we saw with a major operation in Shifa Hospital,
00:35:04.360where Israeli forces killed 200 Hamas terrorists and arrested another 500.
00:35:10.760So you can imagine in a hospital complex, basically every other person there was a Hamas terrorist who wasn't a hospital.
00:35:16.440It was—they had six sick people that Hamas was—had built its headquarters around, effectively.
00:35:23.340So the counterterror phase has already been—is well underway throughout Gaza, except in Rafa.
00:35:31.720And what the Americans are trying to do by blocking Israel from operating in Rafa is to save Hamas.
00:35:38.140There's no other way of looking at it.
00:35:39.480They want to save Hamas as a military force by maintaining their final battalions in place and maintain Hamas's control over the international border.
00:35:51.900This is the first time I heard this. This is pretty out there.
00:35:53.880A lot of people have accused Biden of being on the other side but trying to save the Palestinian people,
00:36:00.160and Hamas is maybe a political operation, but I haven't heard it put so boldly.
00:36:04.500You're saying Blinken and Sullivan and Biden in this crowd is trying to save the combat capability of the Hamas,
00:36:11.780the people that did the 7 October worst hit on Jews in the world since the Holocaust?
00:36:18.980You're saying that the Biden regime is trying to save the combat capability of a radical Islamic army that's essentially still exists—the rump of it still exists in Gaza,
00:36:31.600the Muslim Brotherhood franchisee Hamas. Is that what you're saying?
00:36:35.780Steve, we're living in a world of euphemisms, and we're living in a world where people hide behind humanitarian issues in order to hide the substance of the policy.
00:36:46.260The substance of the policy of saying you can't have a conventional battle in Rafah is to say that Hamas's conventional forces that are there will survive, including their leadership.
00:36:58.020And that's the absolute substance of the U.S. policy.
00:37:03.620If you say that you can only do counterterror operations in an area that requires conventional operations, what you're saying is we don't want you to conduct your operation.
00:37:14.040We don't want you to complete your mission. Your mission is to destroy Hamas's army, conventional army, and then deal with terrorists.
00:37:21.920But right now, I mean, it's a conventional army that's also a terror force.
00:37:26.340And so if you want to eradicate the regime in Gaza and you want to eradicate their conventional military capability and then go back over time and over a period of years—it's not going to take, you know, five minutes—to go and team by team, small unit by small unit eradicate their terrorist capabilities.
00:37:56.340The high-intensity combat that we still have to carry out in Gaza in order to complete the initial mission of destroying Hamas as a conventional military force is in Rafah.
00:38:06.600So when the United States—when the Biden administration says under no circumstance will we support a conventional ground operation in Rafah, the effect of that very clearly is that we don't want you to complete your mission.
00:38:21.580And again, by not taking control over the international border with Egypt, the United States' policy right now—
00:38:34.580She just frees up. Let's go ahead and reboot that. It's too important.
00:38:40.580—this gets down to the hub of it. And at the same time, the Biden regime is in back of it working with these people on the color revolution, as Joel Pollack put out.
00:38:53.960You've got two things going on right now. The regime—and look, you have to look at this in the context of this is coming after the Judeo-Christian West.
00:39:06.160They just think the Israelis are colonizers of that part of the world, just like they argue—I'm going to play—get ready for the D-Block, my crack production team.
00:39:17.220This is a great job in the cold open. I want to play the Muslim Brotherhood guy in Dearborn at the next break about its death to America.
00:39:26.540They think Israel is the junior partner here. This is all focused on you.
00:39:31.560Remember, we had a color revolution here. This is what they tried to do in the summer of love of 2020 with the whole George Floyd situation, the burning down everything.
00:39:42.120Heck, they had to put President Trump—the Secret Service took President Trump down to the bomb shelter because they almost got over the wall at the White House.
00:39:51.440In fact, some of them did breach security.
00:39:53.100That's the color revolution then, and they're doing it on B.B. Netanyahu now. Do we have Caroline back?
00:39:58.580Caroline, tell me about this. Understanding the combat operation, this color revolution Joel Pollack talks about, isn't Israel coming apart at the seams because you've got basically a Biden-backed color revolution to remove B.B. Netanyahu from the consolidated Council of War government?
00:40:17.840Now, I mean, that's one of the things that the Americans don't understand, that the Biden administration, that American progressives never understand, which is that the Israeli people are united around the goals of the war, and we're not going to accept anything less than victory.
00:40:33.860We saw what defeat looks like on October 7th, and we're not going to relive that ever again.
00:40:37.900And what the Americans don't understand is that the prime minister, who was democratically elected, will retain the support of the majority of the public so long as he promises to maintain the fight to victory.
00:40:51.320And what they want to do is replace Netanyahu, who is the only possible leader of Israel at this time, who stands up to the United States with a leader like his primary rivals, Benny Gantz or Yair Lapid.
00:41:07.000But hang on, but hang on, but hang on, but hang on, hang on, slow down, slow down.
00:41:11.200You say that, but correct me if I'm wrong.
00:41:14.160Was General Benny Gantz not in the White House a week or so ago and didn't, and Netanyahu didn't even know about it, invited by the Biden regime and Jake Sullivan and Tony Blinken?
00:41:22.620Was he, did he not show up in the White House in the West Wing and Netanyahu didn't even know about it, ma'am?
00:41:29.040Well, I mean, the word went out before he went to Washington, but yes, nobody asked Netanyahu for his approval of it, and all cabinet ministers are supposed to get the prime minister's approval before all foreign travel.
00:41:42.040So it was absolutely an insubordinate act by Benny Gantz.
00:41:46.100And this week, Yair Lapid, the official head of the opposition, is in Washington being feted by the White House.
00:41:52.620He met with Jake Sullivan and Tony Blinken yesterday.
00:41:54.920And Netanyahu, for his part, has never been invited to the White House since he returned to office in December of 2022.
00:42:04.540So, yes, we're seeing an open effort by the Americans.
00:42:09.460But the Americans themselves say that the idea of a color revolution is to separate the leader from the people and to declare, as Kamala Harris did a few weeks ago,
00:42:18.560that the Biden administration stands with the nation of Israel but not with the government of Israel.
00:42:23.120What they don't understand about the Israeli people is that since we democratically elect the government of Israel, you can't separate the two.
00:42:30.920So long as the government of Israel does the people's will, in this case, since October 7th, that has involved one thing, which is annihilating Hamas,
00:42:40.600the public will stand with the government.
00:42:42.500And they cite all of these push polls with tiny sample sizes that are being put out by left-wing pollsters for left-wing media operations that are statistically indefensible,
00:42:54.960professionally indefensible from the perspective of the methodology of reaching their conclusions,
00:43:01.580to pretend that after what happened on October 7th, the Israeli public has somehow gone to the left when there's been an over-20-point shift to the right since October 7th,
00:43:12.980both among leftists and among right-wingers in Israel.
00:43:15.500So the claims that they're making about Netanyahu losing public support aren't predicated on anything.
00:46:38.800Caroline Glick, I just want to make sure I understand this,
00:46:41.020because your heads are exploding in the chat right now.
00:46:44.060You're saying that Israel is in an existential fight with still the combat element of a radical Islamic army whose purpose is to control Israel as the start,
00:46:58.120and then eventually the Judeo-Christian West, particularly the United States of America.
00:47:01.500And in that fight that the U.S. government is actively engaged in domestic politics to try to have a governmental change or what is a coalition government right now to particularly take out the biggest warfighter,
00:47:18.900who warts in all has been a pretty good war leader, Bibi Netanyahu.
00:47:22.500Is that what you're saying, that they're actively doing this in a time of war, of which the fate of Israel hangs in the balance?