Bannon's War Room - Episode 3529： Finish What We Started

00:00:00.000 to turn January 6th into a success story of authoritarianism here in the U.S.

00:00:05.200 He writes this, quote,

00:00:06.120 Bannon believed the MAGA movement, if it could break out of being suppressed and marginalized by the establishment,

00:00:12.340 represented a dominant coalition that could rule for 100 years.

00:00:16.100 The Republicans were the ones standing in the way of Bannon's plans, quote,

00:00:19.660 The first guys that we got to take down is a Republican Party, he said.

00:00:23.380 We haven't done that yet. We're getting there.

00:00:25.560 Trump's our instrument. We're getting there.

00:00:27.140 We're back. The author, Isaac Arnstorff. Congrats. Pub Day is tomorrow.

00:00:31.160 Thank you.

00:00:32.720 We were joking about being eclipsed by the eclipse.

00:00:35.340 You won't be. You're in the clear now. It's over.

00:00:38.000 Tell me about, I mean, their successes are clear.

00:00:42.400 I mean, there is no Republican Party. It's Trumpism.

00:00:45.080 And Joe Biden is running against Trumpism.

00:00:46.760 Joe Biden's running against a MAGA movement that isn't maybe as big as it was in 16,

00:00:51.800 but it is certainly more virulent.

00:00:53.720 And tell me if that is a means to an end or the end.

00:00:57.840 What it has is it has an institutional home now, which is the Republican Party itself.

00:01:04.060 And this is really something that changed in the aftermath of January 6th,

00:01:08.460 because the story that developed in the movement, and Bannon had a huge role in this,

00:01:13.140 was that the reason Trump failed, the reason that he couldn't stay in office on January 6th,

00:01:17.620 was because of a few uncooperative Republicans.

00:01:20.660 And there's actually a lot of truth in that, right?

00:01:22.580 If you think about the Republicans who stood up to him and prevented him from overturning the election,

00:01:28.080 it was Republicans.

00:01:29.720 And so the idea was that the movement needed to take over the party,

00:01:32.960 and they needed to do it from the ground up, from the precincts to the counties,

00:01:36.460 to the districts, to the states.

00:01:38.280 And then they could purge the party of anyone who wouldn't be there next time when everything was on the line.

00:01:45.080 And that's what we have now, is the movement being channeled into this structure,

00:01:49.980 into this apparatus, the party organization itself,

00:01:53.100 that has made it so much more effective, actually, in that time when Trump has been out of power.

00:01:58.100 We are witnessing an alliance of Christian nationalists, anti-feminists, and fascists

00:02:03.600 working together to make sure they maintain control over us all.

00:02:09.380 This is Steve Bannon's vision.

00:02:10.900 A Christian nationalist America run by white, heterosexual, so-called Christian men. 0.57

00:02:17.680 Because I'm a Christian, that ain't Christianity. 0.98

00:02:19.980 Well, keep in mind, Bannon himself grew up in a Catholic military school

00:02:24.360 where he learned about history as a clash of civilizations between the Christian West and the Muslim world.

00:02:30.300 A huge part of his rise back when it was Breitbart and the alt-right,

00:02:35.160 and also a big part of Trump's rise,

00:02:36.740 was this fear of Islamic extremist terrorism, and Christianity was core to that. 0.97

00:02:42.260 But fundamentally, the MAGA movement, as Bannon conceives it, is nationalist.

00:02:47.840 And Christian nationalism is a strand of that.

00:02:50.160 It's not the only form of it.

00:02:51.880 But certainly, I mean, when I visited him in his office doing some reporting for my book,

00:02:56.800 he's surrounded by books, and one of them out there on the table was called The Case for Christian Nationals.

00:03:01.740 Right, and of course, Camp of the Saints and all of that sort of other stuff, too.

00:03:04.440 I mean, I didn't even realize that Mark Burnett, I am this week old,

00:03:07.460 and realizing Mark Burnett is an evangelical Christian.

00:03:09.840 His wife was on a TV show where she was sort of playing into that as well.

00:03:14.800 So is the idea that what they think they're going to do, as he keeps saying,

00:03:18.900 deconstruct the administrative state, essentially break the government at the federal and state level,

00:03:23.340 and put their people in charge, and then voila, it doesn't matter what women think or what minorities think. 1.00

00:03:29.040 They will be ruled by this small group of men. 0.80

00:03:30.760 Bannon's idea is that if you redefine the two-party system as a populist, right-of-center, nationalist party called the Republicans

00:03:40.620 versus what he would call a globalist, elitist, liberal party,

00:03:44.960 then he thinks that that is a recipe for the Republican Party to rule for 50 or 100 years.

00:03:49.620 What is it like to cover not just two parties that see the world differently,

00:03:54.560 but one that doesn't attach itself to provable facts?

00:03:59.060 Well, we as reporters always have to be clear and honest about what is observably, empirically true and what isn't.

00:04:08.800 That's a huge part of our job, but it's also part of our job to be respectful of where people are coming from and to be fair.

00:04:17.620 And this was also a huge part of the project of this book, was spending a lot of time with people

00:04:22.040 who really did believe these things that weren't true and understanding.

00:04:29.040 Where do you draw that line between respecting people that believe things that aren't true and wanting to tell them that 60 courts found that there was no fraud?

00:04:37.380 How do you do that personally?

00:04:39.040 Well, I think when I started out, I was more afraid of, like, getting into that argument with people,

00:04:43.120 and I would think I'm really just here to listen and try to understand.

00:04:46.580 And what I learned over time was actually to be less afraid of having that out because, like, they know.

00:04:53.920 Like, they've heard it before.

00:04:54.920 You know, like, I'm not here, like, breaking it to them that, like, people think they're conspiracy theorists

00:04:59.800 or, like, on MSNBC people say mean things about them.

00:05:03.020 Like, they've heard it.

00:05:04.060 They're aware.

00:05:04.500 And on Fox sometimes, too, right?

00:05:06.000 Right.

00:05:07.120 Exactly.

00:05:08.180 And so, actually, there was something that was actually kind of freeing about that.

00:05:12.080 It's like, no, we can actually level with each other.

00:05:14.020 Here, for somebody like a Steve Bannon, what kind of a country does he want to see?

00:05:18.040 Bannon believes in a country, you know, what the stolen election myth is really about fundamentally

00:05:23.180 is a starting premise that the country is conservative, and it's about who the country belongs to.

00:05:29.860 And that's why it's not really about the machines or the mules and all that stuff can kind of change

00:05:34.960 or go away or get disproven.

00:05:36.800 But what really matters is this idea about who America is for and who it's not for.

00:05:41.440 Well, in the view of some members of the movement who articulated that way.

00:05:46.100 White Christians, I should say. 0.99

00:05:48.100 White Christian conservatives.

00:05:49.360 Well, I think we have to be realistic about the gains that the polls are showing that Trump

00:05:55.920 is making with voters of color.

00:05:57.820 And that's something that this campaign is extremely excited about, diversifying that coalition.

00:06:01.900 Not that they're going to ever win a majority, but if that they can make a few inches gain.

00:06:08.180 Candace Owens here and there that go along with the idea of white Christian male supremacy. 1.00

00:06:13.840 If they can either suppress or or even convert a few voters of color in those key states with 0.78

00:06:21.300 with large cities that can make a difference in a close election.

00:06:24.640 This is the primal scream of a dying regime.

00:06:32.260 Pray for our enemies.

00:06:34.220 Because we're going medieval on these people.

00:06:37.480 Here's the time I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.

00:06:41.740 The people have had a belly full of it.

00:06:43.660 I know you don't like hearing that.

00:06:45.080 I know you've tried to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.

00:06:47.780 It's going to happen.

00:06:48.820 And where do people like that go to share the big line?

00:06:52.460 MAGA Media.

00:06:53.780 I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.

00:06:59.240 Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?

00:07:02.980 If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.

00:07:09.320 War Room.

00:07:10.200 Here's your host, Stephen K. Mann.

00:07:12.560 It's Thursday, 11 April on the year of our Lord, 2024.

00:07:19.760 Welcome to the world.

00:07:20.540 We've got a lot to go through today.

00:07:21.640 Victoria Sparks is going to join us.

00:07:22.960 Congressman Sparks is going to join us here in a moment at the bottom of the hour to talk about Ukraine.

00:07:27.860 She's from Ukraine.

00:07:29.240 We've got, obviously, the FISA in that open.

00:07:31.820 You heard Islamic terrorism, deconstruction of the administrative state. 0.96

00:07:35.240 They all come together in this warrantless FISA fight.

00:07:40.020 We'll get more to that.

00:07:40.720 Dave Brat's going to join us about the Federal Reserve.

00:07:43.360 Amazing video, I think, from O'Keefe's team that just really strips the face off of what Powell's doing.

00:07:49.480 Joel Pollack's going to join us from Jerusalem today with an update on everything that's happening in the Hamas war.

00:07:55.420 I want to start.

00:07:56.120 I want to read a quote.

00:07:57.700 Probably, I think, one of the most important speeches Donald Trump ever gave, President Trump gave,

00:08:01.680 was at the CPAC in March of, back in March of 21.

00:08:07.940 But there's another one he gave at CPAC that I happen to attend.

00:08:12.000 And I want to quote this.

00:08:13.120 We will not back down.

00:08:14.360 We will not bend.

00:08:15.520 We will not quit.

00:08:16.740 We will not yield.

00:08:17.880 We will press forward with vigor.

00:08:20.080 We will push onward.

00:08:21.440 And we will finish what we started.

00:08:24.840 That's from President Trump.

00:08:25.980 I want to introduce now the author of what I think is an extraordinary book, Finish What We Started.

00:08:31.540 Isaac Arnsdorf joins us from the War Room.

00:08:34.440 Isaac, thank you so much for coming on the show.

00:08:38.020 So, first off, I can't make more of a stronger recommendation for this audience to buy this book because this book is your story.

00:08:47.800 This book is told from many different perspectives of Dan Schultz and Steve Stern and John Fredericks

00:08:54.060 and people that fought the precinct strategy and people that fight today, et cetera.

00:08:58.260 But it's really your story.

00:09:00.100 And that's what I've got to ask you, Isaac.

00:09:01.500 Most of these political books that come out, particularly about President Trump, are about the inner workings of the court.

00:09:07.060 Who said what about whom?

00:09:08.500 Who's putting the knife in whom?

00:09:10.280 This, it's so detailed.

00:09:14.240 Did you spend two or three years on the road out there in the hinterlands, in MAGA territory, interviewing people?

00:09:20.680 I mean, how did you actually compile this book?

00:09:23.500 Because it's extraordinary.

00:09:24.720 And you say at the beginning, hey, every word in this is a quote from somebody I interviewed either on tape recording or took notes.

00:09:31.640 There's no made-up quotes here.

00:09:33.080 There's no summations.

00:09:34.460 There's nobody hiding behind, which most of these books have, behind anonymous quotes.

00:09:39.820 You lay it all out there.

00:09:41.160 In particular, you lay it all out there for working-class men and women who are really the stars of this book, sir.

00:09:48.200 Absolutely.

00:09:48.760 Well, that's exactly what I wanted to do with this book because I was doing all that reporting in my day job.

00:09:53.580 And, you know, some of the most interesting and insightful stuff that I was learning was never going to be headline news.

00:10:00.560 You know, it was just never going to be the kind of thing that you would read in the newspaper or that you would read in, like you said, the typical political books that are all about, you know, Washington operatives and politicians.

00:10:12.740 And I wanted to try to capture what we as Americans were living through in this period.

00:10:19.240 And, you know, in the period when the reporting started, early to mid-2021, it was also a period where Trump was not as prominent as he is today.

00:10:30.780 And we didn't know, it wasn't clear at that time at all that he was going to come back and be the Republican nominee again.

00:10:37.220 I mean, he was kind of in hibernation at Mar-a-Lago.

00:10:40.320 And so actually it was you, Steve, and you, this audience, and the community that was forming in the MAGA movement without Trump's direct leadership at that time that ended up setting the direction.

00:10:56.000 The book ends in kind of a culmination, and I keep telling the folks here that, hey, in the last hundred days or last couple of months, because we've moved forward a little bit,

00:11:04.560 you've taken out a Speaker of the House for the first time in American history.

00:11:08.460 You've now completely purged all the senior leadership of the Republican Party, the RNC, the National Committee, including the chairman.

00:11:15.120 And you've effectively removed Mitch McConnell, who's had a grip on the Senate for 20 or 30 years.

00:11:21.300 You've done all that.

00:11:22.540 And this is the culmination of the book.

00:11:24.460 How does that, this is what I'm saying, how did, how did newspapers or how do people supposed to be smart not get that?

00:11:31.160 And you went out for two or three years because you can only understand the culmination of what's happened over the last couple of months if, quite frankly, you read this book.

00:11:40.180 And the reason is, is that this book contains eyewitness accounts at the moment it happened, whether it's Cary Lake in Arizona or the, you know, the precinct strategy in Kansas or wherever.

00:11:53.580 However, how does, how do news editors miss at the, that this stuff with McCarthy just didn't come out?

00:11:58.820 It's not like a thunderstorm that comes out of nowhere.

00:12:00.740 There's a, there's a deep basis for this.

00:12:05.600 But, you know, there are lots of other things.

00:12:07.400 You know, I didn't always know when I started reporting the book that, that what, what stories that started, how they were going to end.

00:12:14.420 And that was part of what made it exciting.

00:12:16.560 But, you know, that's the advantage of, of, of doing, reporting a story over this long a period of time is you can kind of see those stories developing, you know, and, and whereas on the day, in the moment, we do the best job that we can be, but things become a little bit clearer in the longer view.

00:12:34.420 You know, and since, since you mentioned McCarthy and McConnell and McDaniel, I think it's also fair to mention, you know, some of the other party leaders who, who get elected at the end of the book are no longer, no longer in their positions.

00:12:49.100 I'm thinking about Jeff DeWitt in Arizona and Christina Caramo in Michigan.

00:12:53.300 So I don't know if there's a curse in the book or what, or, or maybe it's just a reflection of how this, how this instability in the party is, is continuing to be a moving target.

00:13:04.420 No, but this is the power of the book.

00:13:07.860 We're going to go to break and, and ISIS is going to stick with us and hopefully we'll get him back on here. 0.99

00:13:11.700 I want people to get the book and read the book and then we'll get Isaac back on hopefully in a week or two, but it's finished what we started.

00:13:18.380 MAGA movements, ground war to end democracy.

00:13:21.920 I might argue about that.

00:13:23.900 No, but you see, here's the thing.

00:13:26.140 The, the Caramo situation, the DeWitt situation and many more are, are, are, are in your reporting because it is evident that the precinct strategy, this grassroots movement, the engagement of MAGA in actual, the political process, take over the Republican party really doesn't have the chamber of commerce on the side.

00:13:45.000 It doesn't have the donors on the side.

00:13:46.260 There's obviously going to be a clash in taking over an apparatus.

00:13:50.800 Then phase two has got to be like, okay, well, how do we fund this apparatus?

00:13:54.560 And if they cut you off with money, it's going to be another war.

00:13:57.980 That's one of the powers of it.

00:13:59.060 That's one of the powers of the book.

00:14:00.540 I want to get into, particularly, I keep saying all the time, hey, you're not going to be embraced.

00:14:05.000 You're not going to be patted on the head.

00:14:06.320 You actually have first person eyewitness accounts of what that looks like, of what it means.

00:14:11.840 And it actually shows that maybe these people aren't the villains that we make them out to be.

00:14:16.680 Maybe they, maybe they're actually closer to being MAGA than we think.

00:14:21.060 And we can convert those.

00:14:22.100 We'll get all into it.

00:14:23.240 Isaac Arnsdorf.

00:14:25.300 The book is Finish What We Started.

00:14:27.180 That quote is taken from President Trump's magnificent speech at CPAC in March of 23, where he really laid out his plan for returning to the White House.

00:14:36.160 This is when, actually, he had already announced he was a candidate.

00:14:39.500 Finish What We Started.

00:14:40.980 Go right now.

00:14:42.060 Check it out.

00:14:42.660 You're the star of this book.

00:14:44.460 You are the star.

00:14:45.500 The MAGA movement.

00:14:46.240 Short commercial break.

00:14:47.100 Back in the war with Isaac Arnsdorf in a moment.

00:14:50.180 We rejoice when there's no more.

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00:16:09.140 Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.

00:16:14.320 The book is Finish What We Started.

00:16:16.540 You're the star of this book.

00:16:18.100 You're not going to love all of it, right?

00:16:19.940 It's got some sharp edges to it.

00:16:21.280 But, hey, you're big boys and girls.

00:16:22.660 But you definitely should get this book and read it and think about it.

00:16:25.320 And particularly think about the journey we've taken over the last couple of years.

00:16:28.380 The defeats we've had, the victories we've had, and quite frankly, the long road and tough struggle we have ahead of us.

00:16:34.460 And, by the way, Isaac was the guy, we did that cold open, he's the guy getting beat up by Joy Ann Reid and our own Nicole Wallace.

00:16:44.180 One of the reasons we do so much MSNBC is that they have the Nicole Wallace's, the Tim Miller's, the Charlie Sykes, either former members of the Republican Party or the never-Trump wing of the Republican Party, maybe even still.

00:16:57.460 Although, I think Tim's totally punched out, that do the analysis that we actually share with you on a daily basis.

00:17:04.540 The book is Finish What We Started.

00:17:05.900 Tim, I mean, Isaac, I want to go to, particularly when people show up for the precinct strategy, and we keep saying they're not welcome by the Republican Party that controls it.

00:17:18.260 You have some really amazing examples of people you're interviewed.

00:17:21.360 What is the mindset, as you report in the book, of people that have been in charge of the precincts or in charge of that hierarchy going up all the way to the state party level that opposes MAGA?

00:17:34.940 And what do they think of MAGA, particularly when we first show up?

00:17:38.280 Well, there's a mix.

00:17:42.640 I mean, some people are excited to see fresh faces and think that the party needs to grow and needs fresh energy.

00:17:53.440 But sometimes the friction comes from, you know, not that inexperience.

00:18:00.620 And particularly when MAGA newcomers come in very confident about their experience and their understanding of how elections work, you know, versus the, you know, I'm thinking of one woman in particular in the book who's going to coffee, meeting all these new recruits who are telling her about all the theft.

00:18:22.200 And this woman is thinking, you know, I've been a Republican my whole life, I've voted in every primary and every general in my whole life, I go door to door, you know, I am all in the nitty gritty of the machinery.

00:18:34.700 And who are these people who are just joining the party now and are telling me how it really works and that there's all this going on that I just never saw?

00:18:44.020 Those are the people I'm talking about.

00:18:48.820 We, I've got a new perspective on that in that those look like people we can actually convert to MAGA and to the MAGA philosophy because their philosophy is still that kind of neoliberal neocon, although they've been the foot soldiers.

00:19:01.900 I'm not sure they totally understand what the foot soldiers are.

00:19:05.080 How did you, the other question I've got on here just about the book itself is how did you, how did any publisher pick this book up?

00:19:12.180 This is probably at the beginning the most unsexy, what it just is.

00:19:16.680 I don't know how, because we have War Room books and I see all pitches going everywhere.

00:19:21.860 This is probably the most unsexy pitch ever, particularly when you don't know the outcome.

00:19:27.280 You don't know that eventually these people will be part of, that Trump will be resurgent, Trump will come back, Trump will be the nominee, Trump will be leading in polls to be president of the United States.

00:19:35.720 And not just that, his followers took out McCarthy, took out Ronald McDaniel, took out, took out, that's all in the future.

00:19:43.820 When you actually make the book, make the pitch to the book, people, I can't imagine why anybody would say, would give you any money to go do this because they say, this is a bizarro land.

00:19:53.680 You're dealing with the biggest wingnuts in the country and who cares who they think because they have no power, particularly in 2021, when effectively we were scattered to the winds by the powers that be in the Republican Party, not even the opposition, sir.

00:20:08.920 Yeah, well, and I did hear a lot of notes for that reason, and the credit goes to my editor and publisher for seeing the potential there and believing in it from the start.

00:20:20.380 And the case that I made then, which is really the same case that I'm making now, is this is the real story of, you know, if you're not just living in the Washington bubble,

00:20:30.320 this is the real story about what we, as Americans and collectively as America, have gone through in the past four years.

00:20:39.780 And it's been such a tumultuous and transformative time.

00:20:44.320 And in order to understand that, you need to spend time with the real people on the ground who, you know, in ways that aren't immediately predictable or expected to them either,

00:20:56.780 are kind of, you know, playing, playing a massive game of pool and we are still seeing how the balls shake out.

00:21:07.540 You talk about Jeff DeWitt in the Arizona Party and the Mission Party.

00:21:11.200 I think they're two great examples.

00:21:13.120 Throughout this book, the folks you're dealing with and the folks that are coming into Dan Schultz's precinct strategy and Steve Stearns as the like the head marketing guy and the cheerleader are average everyday Americans.

00:21:24.860 And most of them don't have a lot of resources, particularly to put to political campaigns.

00:21:28.780 So it's an under-resourced.

00:21:31.080 And I realize I may not be objective in this, but I try to be as objective as possible in looking at it.

00:21:36.640 When I see your, when I read your book on the evidence that you have presented, not anything outside the book, but what's presented in the pages of this book,

00:21:44.600 it looks to me like Edmund Burke would be so proud.

00:21:47.700 This looks like the greatest experiment in true populist democracy.

00:21:52.640 And yet the title is the MAGA movement's ground war to end democracy.

00:21:58.200 I would actually say it's the MAGA movement's ground war to actually begin democracy because these are people that are not the donor class.

00:22:05.860 They're not the class of people that allow them to go to college, right?

00:22:12.200 The credential class is what they call it.

00:22:13.800 This is truly working class and middle class America.

00:22:17.240 Why is the title to end democracy instead of that you've written a book that shows you actually an experiment in democracy?

00:22:23.980 Because it's important to understand that democracy often doesn't end at the end of a rifle, but at the hands of its elected leaders.

00:22:33.440 And everyone recognizes that Trump could legitimately win a free and fair election in November and return to power.

00:22:41.260 But it's a question of what he would do with that power and based on what he has said publicly and what his advisors have said in our reporting or the people who would go into staff his administration.

00:22:54.100 And they're very serious about things like making plans to invoke the Insurrection Act on the on Inauguration Day to put down protests.

00:23:03.600 Those are not, you know, what democracy means is it's actually very simple.

00:23:10.340 It's that we decide things based on elections, not based on violence.

00:23:13.900 And Trump has never said he'll accept the outcome of an election going back to 2016.

00:23:19.260 And he's never disavowed violence.

00:23:21.140 And we saw the consequences of that on January 6th.

00:23:25.260 Did you and your reporting and going throughout the country and talking to the people that are now at the precinct level and going forward on this?

00:23:32.800 Did you ever hear any any inkling of of that?

00:23:38.840 First of all, I don't obviously I don't agree with that, but just I don't get in an argument.

00:23:43.160 We don't have time to get in an argument, but that we'll do that in another day.

00:23:46.200 But in his in his base and the people are actually not just talking or sitting there watching talk radio or listening talk radio, watching shows like this.

00:23:55.000 The people that actually engage are putting in the work is your because I didn't see it in the book.

00:24:00.460 But is there empirical evidence out there that these people have any more motivation than to take over the Republican Party and to go forward and back politicians that want to deconstruct the administrative state?

00:24:12.440 And the perfect example is this FISA fight we're having.

00:24:15.100 We have a perfect example in FISA in in Ukraine, which we're going to have guests on from Congress here in a minute.

00:24:20.280 Is is is that what your reporting show? What did your reporting show about the actual engaged base of the MAGA movement?

00:24:28.580 Well, you're absolutely right that they're using the Democratic machinery to accomplish this political objective.

00:24:34.420 But I do hear a lot of that frustration.

00:24:37.420 And, you know, Dan Schultz himself, a lot of the people quoted I'm thinking about Chapter 12 at the Georgia GOP convention.

00:24:44.900 There's there's this there is this ominous tone of, you know, like this is this is what we're trying to redeem what we see as a stolen election.

00:24:53.820 And and if that works or sorry, if that if that fails, you know, then what's what else is left for us to do?

00:25:01.780 You know, and and that is is a concerning message.

00:25:05.560 Yes, but I think I don't look, there's nobody I don't think there's anybody watching this show.

00:25:12.280 No one produces a show myself that not is not a true believer that 2020 was was stolen.

00:25:20.960 And we could take you through chapter and verse, although now is not the time to do that.

00:25:24.300 We'll do that at a later time.

00:25:27.120 What do you think what impact do you think this book is going to have?

00:25:30.520 Because it's getting a broad reading by, let's say, people that are not friendly to this movement, are not big fans of the war room, think Dan Schultz is a nut job, hate Trump.

00:25:41.200 It's getting a wide reading.

00:25:42.840 What do you think is going to be the outcome of what this book accomplishes?

00:25:46.820 Well, I also hope it gets a wide reading in this audience also and and for whoever picks it up, that they just come at it with an open mind and and give give me a chance, give the people in the book a chance, give a chance to the people who maybe think a little bit differently than than them.

00:26:05.600 And if we all spend just a little bit more time listening with some empathy and trying to understand where people are coming from, even if we don't agree, then, you know, that actually is how democracy has to work.

00:26:20.060 I think that's a great idea. You know why? Because I'm more convinced than ever after reading this book that we are two thirds of the country and that the MAGA movement represents a political movement inspired and led by President Trump that's going to reform American politics.

00:26:35.480 In fact, I'm announcing next week at our our gladiator school on the 18th and in in Las Vegas, we're going to go through this book.

00:26:44.020 So I want everybody to go out and get it. I'm going to go through it.

00:26:47.020 We're going to take lessons learned from this book because our movement's not perfect.

00:26:50.480 We've had victories. We've had defeats. We've got to learn from our defeats and double down on our victories.

00:26:55.540 Isaac, where do people between now and the time you come back, where do people get the book, where they find out more about you, where they get your writings?

00:27:01.780 So I write for The Washington Post. You can find us, WashingtonPost.com, and please subscribe. It's very cheap.

00:27:09.280 The book is also not too expensive, and you can get it anywhere at your local bookstore, independent, Amazon, Barnes & Noble, doesn't matter.

00:27:19.420 Isaac, everybody's not going to love everything in this book. Obviously, some of the stuff already in the interview, I'm sure our audience's heads are blown up.

00:27:26.240 But I want to thank you for at least spending three years of your life showing the respect to this audience to go out and find the story.

00:27:33.840 Because the story in this book, its story builds to a big climax, and it's pretty impressive.

00:27:38.440 It's what this audience has accomplished, what these people have.

00:27:40.900 Isaac Arnstorff, thank you very much. Look forward to having you back.

00:27:44.740 Well, and thank you to them for letting me in as well.

00:27:47.300 Thank you.

00:27:50.240 Finish What We Started by Isaac Arnstorff.

00:27:52.920 We're going to talk about this next Thursday in Vegas at the Gladiator School.

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00:29:56.300 Action. Action. Action.

00:29:58.940 Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.

00:30:01.380 The book, Finish What We Started.

00:30:06.400 Make sure you get it next week.

00:30:08.340 We're going to walk through this because this book talks about the victories and defeats.

00:30:12.560 It talks about where we got things accomplished and where we did it.

00:30:16.420 You'll find out about what the thinking is of the Republican establishment at the foot soldier level when you first show up.

00:30:24.020 You know, why you're not warmly embraced.

00:30:25.960 Sometimes why they try to force you out.

00:30:27.500 It's all in here.

00:30:28.460 I'm actually going to discuss it.

00:30:29.740 We're going to break it down because there's a lot of lessons we can learn from this and move forward.

00:30:34.300 Remember, this movement only increases every day.

00:30:37.500 Remember, Joanne Reed says we're just a bunch of white patriarch Christian nationalists.

00:30:41.780 And Isaac disagrees with them because our movement every day is bringing in African-Americans, Hispanics, Asians to our movement.

00:30:49.500 That's where this movement, I say it's two-thirds of the country.

00:30:52.320 If you just get a few things sorted, this is going to have, oh, this is going to be a 1932 type of realignment.

00:30:57.260 And how did it start?

00:30:58.080 It started with you.

00:30:58.780 This book is about you.

00:31:00.480 And you're not going to love everything in it.

00:31:02.440 Hey, the guy works at the Washington Post.

00:31:04.080 You're just not going to love everything in it.

00:31:05.420 But I know you can push forward past that.

00:31:07.920 But go give it a try.

00:31:08.740 We're going to talk about it in depth next week as a precinct strategy and what we need to do to continue momentum going forward, not just the takeover of the Republican Party to finalize it, but most important, with our eye on the target, what we need to do in November of this year to make sure we secure the election that President Trump's going to win.

00:31:28.440 Okay.

00:31:29.640 Congressman Victoria Sparks joins us.

00:31:31.380 I've got a quick call open.

00:31:32.740 Let's play that.

00:31:33.340 I'll bring her in. 0.79

00:31:33.840 Let's turn to Ukraine, an issue that's important to you and your fellow Republican chairman, Michael McCaul, who runs the Foreign Affairs Committee.

00:31:43.220 Congressman McCaul made a comment this week about what he says sounds like Russian propaganda from some conservative media and why it's so difficult to explain to Republican voters why supporting Ukraine is important.

00:31:54.420 He told Julia Yaffe, quote,

00:31:55.800 I think Russian propaganda has made its way into the United States, unfortunately, and it's infected a good chunk of my party's base.

00:32:02.380 He singled out primetime shows on conservative channels.

00:32:05.020 Do you agree with him?

00:32:05.800 And how big is this problem?

00:32:07.000 No, it is absolutely true.

00:32:11.120 We see directly coming from Russia attempts to mask communications that are anti-Ukraine and pro-Russia messages, some of which we even hear being uttered on the House floor.

00:32:21.340 I mean, there are members of Congress today who still incorrectly say that this conflict between Russia and Ukraine is over NATO, which, of course, it is not.

00:32:29.040 Vladimir Putin, having made it very clear, both publicly and to his own population, that his view is that this is a conflict of a much broader claim of Russia to Eastern Europe,

00:32:40.080 and including claiming all of Ukraine territory as Russia's.

00:32:43.080 Now, to the extent that this propaganda takes hold, it makes it more difficult for us to really see this as an authoritarian versus democracy battle, which is what it is.

00:32:53.940 President Xi of China, Vladimir Putin himself, have identified it as such.

00:32:57.820 We need to stand up for democracy.

00:32:59.320 We need to make certain that we know that authoritarian regimes never stop when they start an aggression.

00:33:05.140 Ukraine needs our help and assistance now, and this is a very critical time for the U.S. Congress to step up and provide that aid.

00:33:12.080 You see, of course, Republican chairmen saying idiot Republicans on the House floor are repeating Russian disinformation along those lines.

00:33:22.720 You know, you saw Marjorie Taylor Greene just openly lie. 0.92

00:33:27.380 She openly lie about priests being persecuted in Ukraine.

00:33:31.520 She took actually a reality that's happening in Russia.

00:33:35.620 Let me let me let me have let me have it.

00:33:38.160 Thank you very much.

00:33:39.380 Congressman Victoria Sparts joins us from Indiana five.

00:33:44.160 Congressman, you actually are from Ukraine.

00:33:46.300 Give us is this true?

00:33:48.460 Is Russian disinformation?

00:33:50.460 Are Republicans that oppose any more funding to Ukraine, of which we've opposed it from the very first start of the work,

00:33:56.640 because we correctly said that Ukraine is going to end up like Dresden in 1945 with hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian women and children dead?

00:34:06.920 Is this all Russian disinformation, ma'am?

00:34:10.200 Thank you, Stephen.

00:34:11.120 I think we have a little problem with our camera today, so maybe I should blame for Russian disinformation, too.

00:34:16.640 But unfortunately, everything's been blamed for, unfortunately, to mismanagement of the whole situation, which was started under Obama.

00:34:25.460 And unfortunately, you know, we've been so weak in it, you know, in our policies.

00:34:30.220 We've been so terrible with what's happening right now around the world and have so many wars.

00:34:34.860 And I'll be honest with you, when two years ago I said, as a congresswoman, an American congresswoman, I said, I want to have oversight of our money and we need to have a strategy.

00:34:45.260 We took down Soviet Union, which I grew up in, you know, by economic policy, by energy policies, not by weapons. 0.88

00:34:53.780 And you need to be very smart what we're doing.

00:34:56.140 We cannot have never ending wars.

00:34:57.980 Because I was dragged through mud, like I am pro-crambling, pro-Putin asset.

00:35:03.100 I couldn't believe that, what, how much, you know, they were trying to drag me and lie.

00:35:09.340 So I think this is unfortunate that what's happening, and unfortunately some of my Republicans are drinking the Kool-Aid, but I was listening to your previous interview and this recent one, and above is Mark Turner and your other guests are wrong, about we are not a democracy.

00:35:24.680 We are a constitutional republic for a reason.

00:35:28.500 And if American people don't wake up, and I think more than wake up to defend our constitutional republic, we're going to lose it.

00:35:35.080 And we are in the process of losing it right now.

00:35:38.080 And it's sad for me to see.

00:35:39.480 So we have to win in November.

00:35:41.260 But you're right.

00:35:42.420 We have to be smart and never underestimate our enemy, because the other side has been very aggressive and been on the move.

00:35:50.380 And Republicans, a lot of Reiner Republicans are weak.

00:35:54.680 You, at one time, were going to drop out of Congress, but you've now determined you're going to stay because you think there's unfinished work to do.

00:36:03.720 As part of that unfinished work, I mean, you're probably the best person to help explain to us exactly kind of what is going on, because it seems to me this has been a great tragedy for the Ukrainian people.

00:36:15.500 Why are they pressing forward?

00:36:17.780 Why is the deep state and the rhinos and the Democrats, why is it so important for them to get this $80 billion for Ukraine when the mothers and fathers in Ukraine are fighting right now about this 500,000, call-up of 500,000 young men and women, of which the parents are fighting?

00:36:34.380 So can you explain that to us?

00:36:35.920 Well, listen, unfortunately, a lot of foreign wars became, you know, slush funds for a lot of other agenda.

00:36:43.580 A lot of people don't realize.

00:36:45.020 I've actually put an amendment in the NDA to say, I want to know countries and companies that got the money.

00:36:50.500 You know, a billion dollars of Ukrainian aid went to Houthis in Iran that are, you know, in Yemen, the Iranian-backed Houthis.

00:37:03.020 A billion dollars of Ukrainian aid for do what?

00:37:06.500 Now they're shooting at our ships.

00:37:09.220 How is that, you know, related to Ukraine or dealing with that war?

00:37:15.960 So, unfortunately, all of these big slush funds and blank checks become an agenda where the government can spend money all over the world with no accountability and, on top of it, given to corrupt organizations like the U.N.

00:37:30.600 And a lot of Republicans are drinking the Kool-Aid.

00:37:33.680 I had an amendment to defund unauthorized U.N. programs.

00:37:37.920 Well, guess what?

00:37:38.620 They defeated it.

00:37:39.580 I had to fight to get it on the floor.

00:37:41.440 They defeated it.

00:37:42.860 Republicans with Democrats defeated that amendment.

00:37:45.680 And that is unfortunate what's really happening.

00:37:48.660 And I'll be honest with you.

00:37:50.480 You know, we really have a terrible strategy, no peace through strength.

00:37:54.680 And President Trump, he'll never get the credit, but he was the toughest and the strongest to deter for the aggression by Putin, to put better pressure on, you know, on Europe, to have better policies on energy, to put pressure on Ukraine.

00:38:09.440 Don't give up resources to China, which is expanding all over the world, to stabilize the Middle East and have Abraham Accords.

00:38:17.780 We didn't have wars and adversaries were not moving.

00:38:21.300 And I think that is something that he was very strong.

00:38:25.020 That's why peace through strength work.

00:38:26.700 But you need to have tough leader.

00:38:28.300 We have weak leaders, abandoned our lives in Afghanistan, and now have wars everywhere.

00:38:33.800 And unfortunately, no much how much Congress can do.

00:38:37.020 If you don't have the right people in that White House, it's very, very difficult to succeed.

00:38:42.000 And my colleagues really need to start thinking.

00:38:44.320 So, you know, two years ago, I was the only person, the first Congress person, and I got attacked.

00:38:50.140 How could she, Ukrainian-born, you know, question what is happening there?

00:38:55.460 I understand what is happening there.

00:38:57.960 But I'll tell you, you know, this is a big issue.

00:39:00.080 We'll have to have good leaders.

00:39:01.300 But in other issues, you know, additional to the border, and that's something that I can, you know, I can, you know, I know enough to be dangerous about weapons.

00:39:09.720 But I actually claim expertise about our fiscal situation.

00:39:13.400 I'm a CPA.

00:39:14.500 And if we don't fix our debt in health care, this is going to be a calamity that our country is going to be facing.

00:39:20.000 And we destroy, we will destroy middle class with taxes and low-income people and fixed-income people with inflation.

00:39:26.800 And that is a huge national security crisis that no one wants to deal with because it's tough.

00:39:31.980 You know, the swamp is very deep and very rich and getting very wealthy on our money.

00:39:38.660 Okay, we have the financial crisis we talk about here every day.

00:39:41.880 You have the border invasion that you've been at the forefront of explaining to the American people and fighting for.

00:39:48.140 Right now, Johnson's speakership hangs by the thread.

00:39:52.140 The leadership of actually the whole conference hangs by a thread.

00:39:54.880 You have this FISA fight, and then you have Ukraine.

00:39:57.500 What would be, given that you understand this probably better than anybody, what is your recommendation to Speaker Johnson of how he goes forward with the Ukraine situation and the southern border, ma'am?

00:40:09.700 I think right now the situation is right now we at least need to be able, you know, we cannot let Russia and China in advance and throw in our face and embarrass our country. 0.56

00:40:21.380 But we cannot win this war with people in charge of Biden.

00:40:24.900 You just can't.

00:40:25.560 It's impossible because he has no policy, no strategy, and we cannot be wasting money.

00:40:31.180 I think we need to have a loan.

00:40:32.740 I think, you know, what President Trump mentioned, I completely agree.

00:40:35.740 I actually pushed to have a loan two years ago that passed unanimously in the Senate, you know.

00:40:41.280 And it was only a few people that objected it, you know, and it's a better oversight that way.

00:40:46.240 You know, Biden never invoked that.

00:40:48.100 So we need to know that Ukrainian government owes money.

00:40:50.860 We need to provide some lethal aid that they can hold the ground.

00:40:53.760 And then hopefully we'll have better leaders to figure out what to do with that situation.

00:40:58.020 I just don't think it's going to happen under Biden.

00:41:00.780 Under Biden, the only thing that's going to happen, he's going to let Russia to take over further when they did it under Obama and move even further because they know that he's weak.

00:41:11.160 So Russia knows that they can do whatever they want, unfortunately. 0.57

00:41:14.820 You know, so I think have it on the loan and then also force some border security like remain in Mexico policy.

00:41:20.340 We need to force it because this is if we don't.

00:41:23.120 I am a legal immigrant, you know, and we are a country of immigrants, but we are not a mob rule in lawlessness.

00:41:29.460 We are going to have it's a serious situation, national security situation.

00:41:33.840 And now cartels and China's fentanyl controlling our country, killing Americans.

00:41:39.760 I mean, we have Americans dying more than in wars.

00:41:43.820 And right now, China is selling over 90 percent of fentanyl through cartels.

00:41:48.420 I mean, we have to secure that border.

00:41:52.000 And I think then hopefully we'll have better people, you know, next year to be able to actually do some policies and resolve the situation, which is very difficult now, too.

00:42:03.080 Let me make sure I understand and the audience understands it, because I don't I think there's so many mechanisms with the loan that doesn't work.

00:42:10.380 But let's let's say for the purposes of discussion, a loan does work is your point that you want to kind of get the money to them for arms or whatever, freeze in place.

00:42:21.360 Exactly. Only arms for freeze in place.

00:42:23.700 Yeah. Only lethal aid to freeze in place right now.

00:42:26.660 So that when President Trump comes in, he has then some leverage of the cut the deal that he wants to cut.

00:42:32.660 Is that is that the point?

00:42:34.100 For sure. That I'll be honest with you.

00:42:35.920 That is the only way to able to be able right now in this situation.

00:42:39.820 There is nothing else.

00:42:41.260 This president is losing.

00:42:43.560 He lost on, you know, he neglected to completely abandon our borders.

00:42:47.500 He meant and people don't understand Biden and Obama let Putin enter Crimea in eastern Ukraine and they did nothing.

00:42:56.660 They give blankets.

00:42:57.720 Trump, the first person who actually gave Ukraine weapons.

00:43:01.000 You know, Putin doesn't care about their grandiose statements.

00:43:04.300 He will move as much as he can.

00:43:05.920 And now he's in cohorts with China and Iran. 0.55

00:43:08.460 He they're moving around the world.

00:43:10.440 And I think that is a big problem we have.

00:43:12.620 But I think to hold the ground and give an ability for President Trump to have some leverage and have a discussion.

00:43:18.840 And I think he will take him seriously.

00:43:20.600 I don't think Putin is taking Biden seriously.

00:43:23.140 I wouldn't be surprised if Biden and with his hunter stuff is really compromised with a lot of actions that they're doing, you know,

00:43:29.860 and then figure out what we're going to do, because we shouldn't have such a major insanity wars around the whole world.

00:43:36.420 The world is on fire.

00:43:37.520 It can destabilize.

00:43:38.480 We can have serious situation.

00:43:39.920 But I think that needs to happen in the short term.

00:43:43.000 And I think that is the only thing that this administration should really be able to do.

00:43:49.040 If you can hang on, we just got a short commercial break.

00:43:51.620 I want to just hold you for a minute or two afterwards.

00:43:54.980 Congressman Victoria Sparks.

00:43:57.780 I want to warn you of a huge change that could be coming to our money in our bank accounts.

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00:44:04.880 Shortly after the government pushed through the Patriot Act,

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00:44:16.220 Now, Jim Rickards, editor of the independent financial newsletter Strategic Intelligence and New York Times bestselling author,

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00:44:29.060 In fact, some of the guests I've had on The War Room believe that the government will soon expand their powers to track our every move.

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00:44:43.860 the government may be able to shut us out of our bank accounts.

00:44:47.180 I can't say for sure if this will happen, but it's an interesting and dire warning.

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00:45:17.800 Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.

00:45:23.540 Welcome back, Congressman Victoria Sparks.

00:45:25.940 First off, you dropped a bombshell there.

00:45:27.440 I just want to give you a second to develop that.

00:45:29.920 You said you believe that Biden may actually be compromised,

00:45:32.580 since obviously this Ukraine situation with the oligarchs over there in Zelensky,

00:45:37.880 Burisma, the whole thing, the sun, is so radioactive.

00:45:40.140 What do you mean by that?

00:45:42.660 Well, listen, let's think about it.

00:45:44.980 You know, you have a son at that time, a vice president of the country.

00:45:49.140 And let's remember, you know, Biden was in charge of China and Ukraine on all of this policy.

00:45:55.680 He was a top contact.

00:45:56.920 He goes to corrupt country, working to corrupt oligarchs in all of these countries,

00:46:03.420 and including Burisma, in which case this corrupt oligarch, used to work, you know,

00:46:09.640 at the former president of Ukraine, Yanukovych, that is right now hiding in Russia.

00:46:16.540 He was, he's like a top guy on energy.

00:46:19.300 And then soon as he goes there, you know, they are going to investigations.

00:46:24.020 You know, they get pressure to stop investigation.

00:46:26.000 He is pressuring to fire prosecutors.

00:46:29.920 But people don't even realize a lot of these people that Hunter was working on,

00:46:34.020 they were Russia-connected oligarchs.

00:46:36.700 Some of them were Ukrainians.

00:46:38.060 Some were, you know, Russians.

00:46:40.780 He actually had from some Russian oligarchs.

00:46:42.600 He was getting money, too, directly.

00:46:44.100 So that is very interesting for me to see how then, you know, president now of our country,

00:46:51.960 having his son and his family getting so much money from, you know, oligarchs around China and Russia.

00:46:58.780 And all of these businesses, they are very interconnected.

00:47:02.340 He was in a top, you know, oil and gas business and known, the guy, that he was actually corrupt.

00:47:09.940 A U.K. opened investigation, which they stopped under pressure, you know, because the Ukrainian prosecutor didn't provide them information.

00:47:18.380 And that has coincided exactly when Hunter showed up in Ukraine.

00:47:22.520 So this is very, this is a very serious national security issue and how much information these countries can potentially have.

00:47:29.300 Look at the Durham report.

00:47:31.300 And really, no one, unfortunately, got even punished for that, where our FBI did nothing about Hillary, corrupt as it can be. 1.00

00:47:39.060 And you have Jake Sullivan pretty much fabricated a case against Trump, tried to use, you know, by agent, actually some of them paid by Russian oligarchs, you know, to fabricate the case about some Russian collusion, you know, which was known that it was all fake and fraudulent.

00:47:58.020 But all of these people was mingling, like Jake Sullivan, with all of these agencies and oligarchs trying to create this steel dossier.

00:48:06.860 And what is Jake Sullivan is doing right now?

00:48:09.280 He's the main guy under Biden who's running national security.

00:48:13.160 And what did Jake Sullivan do?

00:48:15.000 He stopped all of the aid, most of it, to go faster into Ukraine.

00:48:20.420 He was the guy who always, the one that wants us to have Iranian deals, the ones who stops anything when we deal with China. 0.88

00:48:29.220 And he's the guy who stopped all of this aid because you cannot, you know, wars need to be, well, not as long as it takes, but as fast as you can.

00:48:37.600 And he slow walked the aid to make this war and now in a very serious situation, the same person who was mingling to take President Trump down, you know, in a, with a Hillary fight in 2015, now he's running national security agency and made a lot of bad policy, whether it's Afghanistan, Ukraine.

00:48:57.240 So I do not know what is going on there, but I wouldn't be surprised.

00:49:01.840 And I think that's why this investigation is so important.

00:49:04.400 And we need to get to the bottom of it because this is a serious issue to have president of the country like that.

00:49:11.940 I know we talked about Johnson's speakership hanging by a thread.

00:49:15.920 It just announced with Jake Sherman, he's told him he's going to try to bring FISA back up probably tomorrow for a vote, probably today for a vote tomorrow.

00:49:24.740 Your thoughts, ma'am?

00:49:25.420 Well, listen, this is what, this is FISA loophole is used to intimidate Americans by police state.

00:49:35.520 And that is a very dangerous because a lot of people don't realize what's really FBI was doing or NSA.

00:49:41.640 No one is watching them, but they all watching us.

00:49:44.060 That's why they come in, you know, after January 6th, people, because if you just been in Washington, D.C., you might be a domestic terrorist.

00:49:50.860 And then they create cases against you.

00:49:53.280 But what they do, what is the most dangerous thing, you know, it's not just even Warren's situation.

00:49:57.860 It's really an issue that I've been trying to convince my Republicans we need to do something about it, where NSA goes, collect data upstream in the backbone.

00:50:07.980 And they scoop a lot of data.

00:50:09.800 And they know that they're scooping data of Americans.

00:50:12.240 They're supposed to do this minimization procedures, which they will not retain that data.

00:50:18.320 The challenge is no one ever checks if they do it or not.

00:50:22.180 So no one ever audits that.

00:50:24.120 And we know in 2016 they violated, we know Snowden, whistleblowing case, what they violated, but no one is watching them.

00:50:32.300 So generally they have an ability to get whatever data they want.

00:50:36.640 And we know they've done it before.

00:50:38.960 And that's why we have to have some auditing.

00:50:41.580 And what are they really collecting and retaining, not, you know, just saying, oh, we're doing it, we're great, because we know they're not.

00:50:49.240 Our agencies, FBI and NSA, need to know that Congress is watching them, not they're just watching us, because otherwise American people have no ability to watch them.

00:51:00.140 And this is how police state was created on the KGB and Stalin. 0.65

00:51:05.240 And then, you know, I think someone under Stalin said, give me a person, I'll give you a crime.

00:51:09.460 Well, I make a crime, something like that.

00:51:11.200 And that's what they do.

00:51:12.220 And they're making up stuff to suppress and intimidate low-abiding people.

00:51:17.520 They're just mad about this government that failed us so badly.

00:51:21.840 I mean, we truly have right now government that is tyrannical.

00:51:25.900 And it's sad for me to see, so I hope people will be strong on that, but we have to rein in on this police state.

00:51:32.480 And FISA is a big loophole that allows them to do that.

00:51:36.240 That's why it's a very significant fight.

00:51:38.640 I will see what Speaker Johnson does.

00:51:40.700 I've been very upset that we didn't like judiciary bill to be actually the main bill, because the intelligence committee is really very, you know, in bed with our police state.

00:51:52.440 Unfortunately, a lot of people are there.

00:51:54.280 But I also think there is another major issue in flowing that bill that no one is watching and checking what they're collecting.

00:52:01.980 And they have enormous ability to collect information.

00:52:04.900 And that is going to be downfall of our republic if we allow police state to expand and really, you know, intimidate Americans.

00:52:14.020 Congressman, how do people get to your social media and your website?

00:52:16.960 It's at RepSparts, you know, sparts.house.gov or it's at RepSparts, my, you know, Twitter account or Hex account now.

00:52:26.660 And, you know, we'll try to communicate.

00:52:29.320 And I try to say things how they are.

00:52:31.560 Some of the things are complicated.

00:52:33.140 Government wants to make it complicated that we don't understand what we're doing.

00:52:36.700 But actually, it's all about do you protect constitutional rights or you are infringing and being tyrannical.

00:52:44.340 And if we're not willing to stand up for Fourth Amendment right, you know, we are really then not worthwhile to be here.

00:52:52.960 Congressman, thank you for coming on.

00:52:54.600 Look forward to following you closely.

00:52:56.440 Thank you.

00:52:57.100 Thank you for having me.

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Bannon's War Room - April 11, 2024

Episode 3529： Finish What We Started

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