A look at the rise of the alt-right movement and the role of Steve Bannon in it, and why he thinks it s a means to an end or an end in the end. Plus, a look at what it means to be an authoritarian.
00:02:51.880But certainly, I mean, when I visited him in his office doing some reporting for my book,
00:02:56.800he's surrounded by books, and one of them out there on the table was called The Case for Christian Nationals.
00:03:01.740Right, and of course, Camp of the Saints and all of that sort of other stuff, too.
00:03:04.440I mean, I didn't even realize that Mark Burnett, I am this week old,
00:03:07.460and realizing Mark Burnett is an evangelical Christian.
00:03:09.840His wife was on a TV show where she was sort of playing into that as well.
00:03:14.800So is the idea that what they think they're going to do, as he keeps saying,
00:03:18.900deconstruct the administrative state, essentially break the government at the federal and state level,
00:03:23.340and put their people in charge, and then voila, it doesn't matter what women think or what minorities think.
00:03:29.040They will be ruled by this small group of men.
00:03:30.760Bannon's idea is that if you redefine the two-party system as a populist, right-of-center, nationalist party called the Republicans
00:03:40.620versus what he would call a globalist, elitist, liberal party,
00:03:44.960then he thinks that that is a recipe for the Republican Party to rule for 50 or 100 years.
00:03:49.620What is it like to cover not just two parties that see the world differently,
00:03:54.560but one that doesn't attach itself to provable facts?
00:03:59.060Well, we as reporters always have to be clear and honest about what is observably, empirically true and what isn't.
00:04:08.800That's a huge part of our job, but it's also part of our job to be respectful of where people are coming from and to be fair.
00:04:17.620And this was also a huge part of the project of this book, was spending a lot of time with people
00:04:22.040who really did believe these things that weren't true and understanding.
00:04:29.040Where do you draw that line between respecting people that believe things that aren't true and wanting to tell them that 60 courts found that there was no fraud?
00:09:48.760Well, that's exactly what I wanted to do with this book because I was doing all that reporting in my day job.
00:09:53.580And, you know, some of the most interesting and insightful stuff that I was learning was never going to be headline news.
00:10:00.560You know, it was just never going to be the kind of thing that you would read in the newspaper or that you would read in, like you said, the typical political books that are all about, you know, Washington operatives and politicians.
00:10:12.740And I wanted to try to capture what we as Americans were living through in this period.
00:10:19.240And, you know, in the period when the reporting started, early to mid-2021, it was also a period where Trump was not as prominent as he is today.
00:10:30.780And we didn't know, it wasn't clear at that time at all that he was going to come back and be the Republican nominee again.
00:10:37.220I mean, he was kind of in hibernation at Mar-a-Lago.
00:10:40.320And so actually it was you, Steve, and you, this audience, and the community that was forming in the MAGA movement without Trump's direct leadership at that time that ended up setting the direction.
00:10:56.000The book ends in kind of a culmination, and I keep telling the folks here that, hey, in the last hundred days or last couple of months, because we've moved forward a little bit,
00:11:04.560you've taken out a Speaker of the House for the first time in American history.
00:11:08.460You've now completely purged all the senior leadership of the Republican Party, the RNC, the National Committee, including the chairman.
00:11:15.120And you've effectively removed Mitch McConnell, who's had a grip on the Senate for 20 or 30 years.
00:11:22.540And this is the culmination of the book.
00:11:24.460How does that, this is what I'm saying, how did, how did newspapers or how do people supposed to be smart not get that?
00:11:31.160And you went out for two or three years because you can only understand the culmination of what's happened over the last couple of months if, quite frankly, you read this book.
00:11:40.180And the reason is, is that this book contains eyewitness accounts at the moment it happened, whether it's Cary Lake in Arizona or the, you know, the precinct strategy in Kansas or wherever.
00:11:53.580However, how does, how do news editors miss at the, that this stuff with McCarthy just didn't come out?
00:11:58.820It's not like a thunderstorm that comes out of nowhere.
00:12:00.740There's a, there's a deep basis for this.
00:12:05.600But, you know, there are lots of other things.
00:12:07.400You know, I didn't always know when I started reporting the book that, that what, what stories that started, how they were going to end.
00:12:14.420And that was part of what made it exciting.
00:12:16.560But, you know, that's the advantage of, of, of doing, reporting a story over this long a period of time is you can kind of see those stories developing, you know, and, and whereas on the day, in the moment, we do the best job that we can be, but things become a little bit clearer in the longer view.
00:12:34.420You know, and since, since you mentioned McCarthy and McConnell and McDaniel, I think it's also fair to mention, you know, some of the other party leaders who, who get elected at the end of the book are no longer, no longer in their positions.
00:12:49.100I'm thinking about Jeff DeWitt in Arizona and Christina Caramo in Michigan.
00:12:53.300So I don't know if there's a curse in the book or what, or, or maybe it's just a reflection of how this, how this instability in the party is, is continuing to be a moving target.
00:13:04.420No, but this is the power of the book.
00:13:07.860We're going to go to break and, and ISIS is going to stick with us and hopefully we'll get him back on here.
00:13:11.700I want people to get the book and read the book and then we'll get Isaac back on hopefully in a week or two, but it's finished what we started.
00:13:18.380MAGA movements, ground war to end democracy.
00:13:26.140The, the Caramo situation, the DeWitt situation and many more are, are, are, are in your reporting because it is evident that the precinct strategy, this grassroots movement, the engagement of MAGA in actual, the political process, take over the Republican party really doesn't have the chamber of commerce on the side.
00:13:45.000It doesn't have the donors on the side.
00:13:46.260There's obviously going to be a clash in taking over an apparatus.
00:13:50.800Then phase two has got to be like, okay, well, how do we fund this apparatus?
00:13:54.560And if they cut you off with money, it's going to be another war.
00:14:27.180That quote is taken from President Trump's magnificent speech at CPAC in March of 23, where he really laid out his plan for returning to the White House.
00:14:36.160This is when, actually, he had already announced he was a candidate.
00:16:22.660But you definitely should get this book and read it and think about it.
00:16:25.320And particularly think about the journey we've taken over the last couple of years.
00:16:28.380The defeats we've had, the victories we've had, and quite frankly, the long road and tough struggle we have ahead of us.
00:16:34.460And, by the way, Isaac was the guy, we did that cold open, he's the guy getting beat up by Joy Ann Reid and our own Nicole Wallace.
00:16:44.180One of the reasons we do so much MSNBC is that they have the Nicole Wallace's, the Tim Miller's, the Charlie Sykes, either former members of the Republican Party or the never-Trump wing of the Republican Party, maybe even still.
00:16:57.460Although, I think Tim's totally punched out, that do the analysis that we actually share with you on a daily basis.
00:17:05.900Tim, I mean, Isaac, I want to go to, particularly when people show up for the precinct strategy, and we keep saying they're not welcome by the Republican Party that controls it.
00:17:18.260You have some really amazing examples of people you're interviewed.
00:17:21.360What is the mindset, as you report in the book, of people that have been in charge of the precincts or in charge of that hierarchy going up all the way to the state party level that opposes MAGA?
00:17:34.940And what do they think of MAGA, particularly when we first show up?
00:17:42.640I mean, some people are excited to see fresh faces and think that the party needs to grow and needs fresh energy.
00:17:53.440But sometimes the friction comes from, you know, not that inexperience.
00:18:00.620And particularly when MAGA newcomers come in very confident about their experience and their understanding of how elections work, you know, versus the, you know, I'm thinking of one woman in particular in the book who's going to coffee, meeting all these new recruits who are telling her about all the theft.
00:18:22.200And this woman is thinking, you know, I've been a Republican my whole life, I've voted in every primary and every general in my whole life, I go door to door, you know, I am all in the nitty gritty of the machinery.
00:18:34.700And who are these people who are just joining the party now and are telling me how it really works and that there's all this going on that I just never saw?
00:18:44.020Those are the people I'm talking about.
00:18:48.820We, I've got a new perspective on that in that those look like people we can actually convert to MAGA and to the MAGA philosophy because their philosophy is still that kind of neoliberal neocon, although they've been the foot soldiers.
00:19:01.900I'm not sure they totally understand what the foot soldiers are.
00:19:05.080How did you, the other question I've got on here just about the book itself is how did you, how did any publisher pick this book up?
00:19:12.180This is probably at the beginning the most unsexy, what it just is.
00:19:16.680I don't know how, because we have War Room books and I see all pitches going everywhere.
00:19:21.860This is probably the most unsexy pitch ever, particularly when you don't know the outcome.
00:19:27.280You don't know that eventually these people will be part of, that Trump will be resurgent, Trump will come back, Trump will be the nominee, Trump will be leading in polls to be president of the United States.
00:19:35.720And not just that, his followers took out McCarthy, took out Ronald McDaniel, took out, took out, that's all in the future.
00:19:43.820When you actually make the book, make the pitch to the book, people, I can't imagine why anybody would say, would give you any money to go do this because they say, this is a bizarro land.
00:19:53.680You're dealing with the biggest wingnuts in the country and who cares who they think because they have no power, particularly in 2021, when effectively we were scattered to the winds by the powers that be in the Republican Party, not even the opposition, sir.
00:20:08.920Yeah, well, and I did hear a lot of notes for that reason, and the credit goes to my editor and publisher for seeing the potential there and believing in it from the start.
00:20:20.380And the case that I made then, which is really the same case that I'm making now, is this is the real story of, you know, if you're not just living in the Washington bubble,
00:20:30.320this is the real story about what we, as Americans and collectively as America, have gone through in the past four years.
00:20:39.780And it's been such a tumultuous and transformative time.
00:20:44.320And in order to understand that, you need to spend time with the real people on the ground who, you know, in ways that aren't immediately predictable or expected to them either,
00:20:56.780are kind of, you know, playing, playing a massive game of pool and we are still seeing how the balls shake out.
00:21:07.540You talk about Jeff DeWitt in the Arizona Party and the Mission Party.
00:21:13.120Throughout this book, the folks you're dealing with and the folks that are coming into Dan Schultz's precinct strategy and Steve Stearns as the like the head marketing guy and the cheerleader are average everyday Americans.
00:21:24.860And most of them don't have a lot of resources, particularly to put to political campaigns.
00:21:31.080And I realize I may not be objective in this, but I try to be as objective as possible in looking at it.
00:21:36.640When I see your, when I read your book on the evidence that you have presented, not anything outside the book, but what's presented in the pages of this book,
00:21:44.600it looks to me like Edmund Burke would be so proud.
00:21:47.700This looks like the greatest experiment in true populist democracy.
00:21:52.640And yet the title is the MAGA movement's ground war to end democracy.
00:21:58.200I would actually say it's the MAGA movement's ground war to actually begin democracy because these are people that are not the donor class.
00:22:05.860They're not the class of people that allow them to go to college, right?
00:22:12.200The credential class is what they call it.
00:22:13.800This is truly working class and middle class America.
00:22:17.240Why is the title to end democracy instead of that you've written a book that shows you actually an experiment in democracy?
00:22:23.980Because it's important to understand that democracy often doesn't end at the end of a rifle, but at the hands of its elected leaders.
00:22:33.440And everyone recognizes that Trump could legitimately win a free and fair election in November and return to power.
00:22:41.260But it's a question of what he would do with that power and based on what he has said publicly and what his advisors have said in our reporting or the people who would go into staff his administration.
00:22:54.100And they're very serious about things like making plans to invoke the Insurrection Act on the on Inauguration Day to put down protests.
00:23:03.600Those are not, you know, what democracy means is it's actually very simple.
00:23:10.340It's that we decide things based on elections, not based on violence.
00:23:13.900And Trump has never said he'll accept the outcome of an election going back to 2016.
00:23:21.140And we saw the consequences of that on January 6th.
00:23:25.260Did you and your reporting and going throughout the country and talking to the people that are now at the precinct level and going forward on this?
00:23:32.800Did you ever hear any any inkling of of that?
00:23:38.840First of all, I don't obviously I don't agree with that, but just I don't get in an argument.
00:23:43.160We don't have time to get in an argument, but that we'll do that in another day.
00:23:46.200But in his in his base and the people are actually not just talking or sitting there watching talk radio or listening talk radio, watching shows like this.
00:23:55.000The people that actually engage are putting in the work is your because I didn't see it in the book.
00:24:00.460But is there empirical evidence out there that these people have any more motivation than to take over the Republican Party and to go forward and back politicians that want to deconstruct the administrative state?
00:24:12.440And the perfect example is this FISA fight we're having.
00:24:15.100We have a perfect example in FISA in in Ukraine, which we're going to have guests on from Congress here in a minute.
00:24:20.280Is is is that what your reporting show? What did your reporting show about the actual engaged base of the MAGA movement?
00:24:28.580Well, you're absolutely right that they're using the Democratic machinery to accomplish this political objective.
00:24:34.420But I do hear a lot of that frustration.
00:24:37.420And, you know, Dan Schultz himself, a lot of the people quoted I'm thinking about Chapter 12 at the Georgia GOP convention.
00:24:44.900There's there's this there is this ominous tone of, you know, like this is this is what we're trying to redeem what we see as a stolen election.
00:24:53.820And and if that works or sorry, if that if that fails, you know, then what's what else is left for us to do?
00:25:01.780You know, and and that is is a concerning message.
00:25:05.560Yes, but I think I don't look, there's nobody I don't think there's anybody watching this show.
00:25:12.280No one produces a show myself that not is not a true believer that 2020 was was stolen.
00:25:20.960And we could take you through chapter and verse, although now is not the time to do that.
00:25:27.120What do you think what impact do you think this book is going to have?
00:25:30.520Because it's getting a broad reading by, let's say, people that are not friendly to this movement, are not big fans of the war room, think Dan Schultz is a nut job, hate Trump.
00:25:42.840What do you think is going to be the outcome of what this book accomplishes?
00:25:46.820Well, I also hope it gets a wide reading in this audience also and and for whoever picks it up, that they just come at it with an open mind and and give give me a chance, give the people in the book a chance, give a chance to the people who maybe think a little bit differently than than them.
00:26:05.600And if we all spend just a little bit more time listening with some empathy and trying to understand where people are coming from, even if we don't agree, then, you know, that actually is how democracy has to work.
00:26:20.060I think that's a great idea. You know why? Because I'm more convinced than ever after reading this book that we are two thirds of the country and that the MAGA movement represents a political movement inspired and led by President Trump that's going to reform American politics.
00:26:35.480In fact, I'm announcing next week at our our gladiator school on the 18th and in in Las Vegas, we're going to go through this book.
00:26:44.020So I want everybody to go out and get it. I'm going to go through it.
00:26:47.020We're going to take lessons learned from this book because our movement's not perfect.
00:26:50.480We've had victories. We've had defeats. We've got to learn from our defeats and double down on our victories.
00:26:55.540Isaac, where do people between now and the time you come back, where do people get the book, where they find out more about you, where they get your writings?
00:27:01.780So I write for The Washington Post. You can find us, WashingtonPost.com, and please subscribe. It's very cheap.
00:27:09.280The book is also not too expensive, and you can get it anywhere at your local bookstore, independent, Amazon, Barnes & Noble, doesn't matter.
00:27:19.420Isaac, everybody's not going to love everything in this book. Obviously, some of the stuff already in the interview, I'm sure our audience's heads are blown up.
00:27:26.240But I want to thank you for at least spending three years of your life showing the respect to this audience to go out and find the story.
00:27:33.840Because the story in this book, its story builds to a big climax, and it's pretty impressive.
00:27:38.440It's what this audience has accomplished, what these people have.
00:27:40.900Isaac Arnstorff, thank you very much. Look forward to having you back.
00:27:44.740Well, and thank you to them for letting me in as well.
00:31:08.740We're going to talk about it in depth next week as a precinct strategy and what we need to do to continue momentum going forward, not just the takeover of the Republican Party to finalize it, but most important, with our eye on the target, what we need to do in November of this year to make sure we secure the election that President Trump's going to win.
00:31:33.840Let's turn to Ukraine, an issue that's important to you and your fellow Republican chairman, Michael McCaul, who runs the Foreign Affairs Committee.
00:31:43.220Congressman McCaul made a comment this week about what he says sounds like Russian propaganda from some conservative media and why it's so difficult to explain to Republican voters why supporting Ukraine is important.
00:32:11.120We see directly coming from Russia attempts to mask communications that are anti-Ukraine and pro-Russia messages, some of which we even hear being uttered on the House floor.
00:32:21.340I mean, there are members of Congress today who still incorrectly say that this conflict between Russia and Ukraine is over NATO, which, of course, it is not.
00:32:29.040Vladimir Putin, having made it very clear, both publicly and to his own population, that his view is that this is a conflict of a much broader claim of Russia to Eastern Europe,
00:32:40.080and including claiming all of Ukraine territory as Russia's.
00:32:43.080Now, to the extent that this propaganda takes hold, it makes it more difficult for us to really see this as an authoritarian versus democracy battle, which is what it is.
00:32:53.940President Xi of China, Vladimir Putin himself, have identified it as such.
00:32:59.320We need to make certain that we know that authoritarian regimes never stop when they start an aggression.
00:33:05.140Ukraine needs our help and assistance now, and this is a very critical time for the U.S. Congress to step up and provide that aid.
00:33:12.080You see, of course, Republican chairmen saying idiot Republicans on the House floor are repeating Russian disinformation along those lines.
00:33:22.720You know, you saw Marjorie Taylor Greene just openly lie.
00:33:27.380She openly lie about priests being persecuted in Ukraine.
00:33:31.520She took actually a reality that's happening in Russia.
00:33:35.620Let me let me let me have let me have it.
00:33:50.460Are Republicans that oppose any more funding to Ukraine, of which we've opposed it from the very first start of the work,
00:33:56.640because we correctly said that Ukraine is going to end up like Dresden in 1945 with hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian women and children dead?
00:34:06.920Is this all Russian disinformation, ma'am?
00:34:11.120I think we have a little problem with our camera today, so maybe I should blame for Russian disinformation, too.
00:34:16.640But unfortunately, everything's been blamed for, unfortunately, to mismanagement of the whole situation, which was started under Obama.
00:34:25.460And unfortunately, you know, we've been so weak in it, you know, in our policies.
00:34:30.220We've been so terrible with what's happening right now around the world and have so many wars.
00:34:34.860And I'll be honest with you, when two years ago I said, as a congresswoman, an American congresswoman, I said, I want to have oversight of our money and we need to have a strategy.
00:34:45.260We took down Soviet Union, which I grew up in, you know, by economic policy, by energy policies, not by weapons.
00:34:53.780And you need to be very smart what we're doing.
00:34:57.980Because I was dragged through mud, like I am pro-crambling, pro-Putin asset.
00:35:03.100I couldn't believe that, what, how much, you know, they were trying to drag me and lie.
00:35:09.340So I think this is unfortunate that what's happening, and unfortunately some of my Republicans are drinking the Kool-Aid, but I was listening to your previous interview and this recent one, and above is Mark Turner and your other guests are wrong, about we are not a democracy.
00:35:24.680We are a constitutional republic for a reason.
00:35:28.500And if American people don't wake up, and I think more than wake up to defend our constitutional republic, we're going to lose it.
00:35:35.080And we are in the process of losing it right now.
00:35:42.420We have to be smart and never underestimate our enemy, because the other side has been very aggressive and been on the move.
00:35:50.380And Republicans, a lot of Reiner Republicans are weak.
00:35:54.680You, at one time, were going to drop out of Congress, but you've now determined you're going to stay because you think there's unfinished work to do.
00:36:03.720As part of that unfinished work, I mean, you're probably the best person to help explain to us exactly kind of what is going on, because it seems to me this has been a great tragedy for the Ukrainian people.
00:36:17.780Why is the deep state and the rhinos and the Democrats, why is it so important for them to get this $80 billion for Ukraine when the mothers and fathers in Ukraine are fighting right now about this 500,000, call-up of 500,000 young men and women, of which the parents are fighting?
00:37:09.220How is that, you know, related to Ukraine or dealing with that war?
00:37:15.960So, unfortunately, all of these big slush funds and blank checks become an agenda where the government can spend money all over the world with no accountability and, on top of it, given to corrupt organizations like the U.N.
00:37:30.600And a lot of Republicans are drinking the Kool-Aid.
00:37:33.680I had an amendment to defund unauthorized U.N. programs.
00:37:50.480You know, we really have a terrible strategy, no peace through strength.
00:37:54.680And President Trump, he'll never get the credit, but he was the toughest and the strongest to deter for the aggression by Putin, to put better pressure on, you know, on Europe, to have better policies on energy, to put pressure on Ukraine.
00:38:09.440Don't give up resources to China, which is expanding all over the world, to stabilize the Middle East and have Abraham Accords.
00:38:17.780We didn't have wars and adversaries were not moving.
00:38:21.300And I think that is something that he was very strong.
00:38:25.020That's why peace through strength work.
00:39:01.300But in other issues, you know, additional to the border, and that's something that I can, you know, I can, you know, I know enough to be dangerous about weapons.
00:39:09.720But I actually claim expertise about our fiscal situation.
00:39:14.500And if we don't fix our debt in health care, this is going to be a calamity that our country is going to be facing.
00:39:20.000And we destroy, we will destroy middle class with taxes and low-income people and fixed-income people with inflation.
00:39:26.800And that is a huge national security crisis that no one wants to deal with because it's tough.
00:39:31.980You know, the swamp is very deep and very rich and getting very wealthy on our money.
00:39:38.660Okay, we have the financial crisis we talk about here every day.
00:39:41.880You have the border invasion that you've been at the forefront of explaining to the American people and fighting for.
00:39:48.140Right now, Johnson's speakership hangs by the thread.
00:39:52.140The leadership of actually the whole conference hangs by a thread.
00:39:54.880You have this FISA fight, and then you have Ukraine.
00:39:57.500What would be, given that you understand this probably better than anybody, what is your recommendation to Speaker Johnson of how he goes forward with the Ukraine situation and the southern border, ma'am?
00:40:09.700I think right now the situation is right now we at least need to be able, you know, we cannot let Russia and China in advance and throw in our face and embarrass our country.
00:40:21.380But we cannot win this war with people in charge of Biden.
00:40:48.100So we need to know that Ukrainian government owes money.
00:40:50.860We need to provide some lethal aid that they can hold the ground.
00:40:53.760And then hopefully we'll have better leaders to figure out what to do with that situation.
00:40:58.020I just don't think it's going to happen under Biden.
00:41:00.780Under Biden, the only thing that's going to happen, he's going to let Russia to take over further when they did it under Obama and move even further because they know that he's weak.
00:41:11.160So Russia knows that they can do whatever they want, unfortunately.
00:41:14.820You know, so I think have it on the loan and then also force some border security like remain in Mexico policy.
00:41:20.340We need to force it because this is if we don't.
00:41:23.120I am a legal immigrant, you know, and we are a country of immigrants, but we are not a mob rule in lawlessness.
00:41:29.460We are going to have it's a serious situation, national security situation.
00:41:33.840And now cartels and China's fentanyl controlling our country, killing Americans.
00:41:39.760I mean, we have Americans dying more than in wars.
00:41:43.820And right now, China is selling over 90 percent of fentanyl through cartels.
00:41:48.420I mean, we have to secure that border.
00:41:52.000And I think then hopefully we'll have better people, you know, next year to be able to actually do some policies and resolve the situation, which is very difficult now, too.
00:42:03.080Let me make sure I understand and the audience understands it, because I don't I think there's so many mechanisms with the loan that doesn't work.
00:42:10.380But let's let's say for the purposes of discussion, a loan does work is your point that you want to kind of get the money to them for arms or whatever, freeze in place.
00:42:21.360Exactly. Only arms for freeze in place.
00:42:23.700Yeah. Only lethal aid to freeze in place right now.
00:42:26.660So that when President Trump comes in, he has then some leverage of the cut the deal that he wants to cut.
00:44:04.880Shortly after the government pushed through the Patriot Act,
00:44:07.360This gave the government power to spy on innocent Americans by monitoring our phone and email and tracking our movement across the Internet.
00:44:16.220Now, Jim Rickards, editor of the independent financial newsletter Strategic Intelligence and New York Times bestselling author,
00:44:23.320is warning about a coming event that could elevate this governmental surveillance to a terrifying new level.
00:44:29.060In fact, some of the guests I've had on The War Room believe that the government will soon expand their powers to track our every move.
00:44:36.980If we say the wrong things on social media, donate to the wrong causes, buy firearms, or even vote MAGA,
00:44:43.860the government may be able to shut us out of our bank accounts.
00:44:47.180I can't say for sure if this will happen, but it's an interesting and dire warning.
00:44:53.380Fortunately, Jim Rickards, an American patriot and friend of mine,
00:44:56.380has made it his mission to educate us on what he believes is coming
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00:46:44.100So that is very interesting for me to see how then, you know, president now of our country,
00:46:51.960having his son and his family getting so much money from, you know, oligarchs around China and Russia.
00:46:58.780And all of these businesses, they are very interconnected.
00:47:02.340He was in a top, you know, oil and gas business and known, the guy, that he was actually corrupt.
00:47:09.940A U.K. opened investigation, which they stopped under pressure, you know, because the Ukrainian prosecutor didn't provide them information.
00:47:18.380And that has coincided exactly when Hunter showed up in Ukraine.
00:47:22.520So this is very, this is a very serious national security issue and how much information these countries can potentially have.
00:47:31.300And really, no one, unfortunately, got even punished for that, where our FBI did nothing about Hillary, corrupt as it can be.
00:47:39.060And you have Jake Sullivan pretty much fabricated a case against Trump, tried to use, you know, by agent, actually some of them paid by Russian oligarchs, you know, to fabricate the case about some Russian collusion, you know, which was known that it was all fake and fraudulent.
00:47:58.020But all of these people was mingling, like Jake Sullivan, with all of these agencies and oligarchs trying to create this steel dossier.
00:48:06.860And what is Jake Sullivan is doing right now?
00:48:09.280He's the main guy under Biden who's running national security.
00:48:15.000He stopped all of the aid, most of it, to go faster into Ukraine.
00:48:20.420He was the guy who always, the one that wants us to have Iranian deals, the ones who stops anything when we deal with China.
00:48:29.220And he's the guy who stopped all of this aid because you cannot, you know, wars need to be, well, not as long as it takes, but as fast as you can.
00:48:37.600And he slow walked the aid to make this war and now in a very serious situation, the same person who was mingling to take President Trump down, you know, in a, with a Hillary fight in 2015, now he's running national security agency and made a lot of bad policy, whether it's Afghanistan, Ukraine.
00:48:57.240So I do not know what is going on there, but I wouldn't be surprised.
00:49:01.840And I think that's why this investigation is so important.
00:49:04.400And we need to get to the bottom of it because this is a serious issue to have president of the country like that.
00:49:11.940I know we talked about Johnson's speakership hanging by a thread.
00:49:15.920It just announced with Jake Sherman, he's told him he's going to try to bring FISA back up probably tomorrow for a vote, probably today for a vote tomorrow.
00:49:25.420Well, listen, this is what, this is FISA loophole is used to intimidate Americans by police state.
00:49:35.520And that is a very dangerous because a lot of people don't realize what's really FBI was doing or NSA.
00:49:41.640No one is watching them, but they all watching us.
00:49:44.060That's why they come in, you know, after January 6th, people, because if you just been in Washington, D.C., you might be a domestic terrorist.
00:49:50.860And then they create cases against you.
00:49:53.280But what they do, what is the most dangerous thing, you know, it's not just even Warren's situation.
00:49:57.860It's really an issue that I've been trying to convince my Republicans we need to do something about it, where NSA goes, collect data upstream in the backbone.
00:50:38.960And that's why we have to have some auditing.
00:50:41.580And what are they really collecting and retaining, not, you know, just saying, oh, we're doing it, we're great, because we know they're not.
00:50:49.240Our agencies, FBI and NSA, need to know that Congress is watching them, not they're just watching us, because otherwise American people have no ability to watch them.
00:51:00.140And this is how police state was created on the KGB and Stalin.
00:51:05.240And then, you know, I think someone under Stalin said, give me a person, I'll give you a crime.
00:51:09.460Well, I make a crime, something like that.
00:51:40.700I've been very upset that we didn't like judiciary bill to be actually the main bill, because the intelligence committee is really very, you know, in bed with our police state.
00:51:52.440Unfortunately, a lot of people are there.
00:51:54.280But I also think there is another major issue in flowing that bill that no one is watching and checking what they're collecting.
00:52:01.980And they have enormous ability to collect information.
00:52:04.900And that is going to be downfall of our republic if we allow police state to expand and really, you know, intimidate Americans.
00:52:14.020Congressman, how do people get to your social media and your website?
00:52:16.960It's at RepSparts, you know, sparts.house.gov or it's at RepSparts, my, you know, Twitter account or Hex account now.
00:52:26.660And, you know, we'll try to communicate.