Jury selection has begun in Donald Trump's trial, and it's a major moment in American history as a former president stands trial for the first time ever on a criminal charge of conspiracy to obstruct justice. Alex Blumberg and Peter Bergen talk about the importance of jury selection and why this is such a momentous occasion.
00:01:27.260Donald Trump is inside that Manhattan courthouse right now as the first criminal trial with a former president is about to begin jury selection specifically is about to begin today.
00:01:41.640He's been posting angrily since before six o'clock this morning on his truth social website about how unfair this is and how this is election interference, interference into his election and how the gag order that he caused for himself should be lifted.
00:01:58.540Want to read from The New York Times just sort of analysis of this, which is kind of stark with jury selection starting right now.
00:02:06.500Mr. Trump will become the first former U.S. president to stand trial on criminal charges, win or lose.
00:02:13.800He will be the first presidential candidate whose political fate, before being decided by millions of voters, will be shaped by 12 people in a jury box.
00:02:26.140And that's how important this jury selection is.
00:02:29.640Of course, there will be a lot of issues made on by both sides, probably in picking these jurors.
00:02:35.840There are specific boundaries and specific questions that they have to answer.
00:02:40.020And we're told up to six thousand people.
00:02:42.520There are other cases also needing juries in this court courthouse, but there are six thousand potential jurors ready to go to be assessed.
00:02:51.620Obviously, this is a major moment in history.
00:02:56.480But also, given recent history, I mean, recent history with President Trump and post-President Trump and January 6th and the way he's treating the people who are in jail right now for the insurrection at the Capitol, the way he's whitewashing what happened and getting other Republicans to do so.
00:03:16.160Can you also talk about how Trump could and is already using this to foment, foment ambiguity and anger in this country?
00:03:28.600Yeah. In one of his first public speeches, Abraham Lincoln said that if the American Republic were ever to fall, it would not fall to a foreign foe.
00:03:36.240It would fall to a tyrant who rose among us.
00:03:41.580And I think that's essentially where we are.
00:03:46.700What's happening, what's unfolding in Manhattan today is part of a larger story about Donald Trump, his behavior, his view of whether or not American democracy exists for the good of the country or for the good of Donald Trump.
00:04:03.380And I know that's not what the jury is deciding, but there are lots of juries here, right?
00:04:12.300And ultimately, you have this trial, you have the Supreme Court preparing to hear arguments on Trump's really wild claim that presidents are totally immune from anything, as if we are creating this sort of superhero who has immunity for all things, which is totally contrary to the rule of law.
00:04:36.320And as you say, an attempt to basically run a coup d'etat four years ago, three and a half years ago, to overturn an election that was adjudicated again and again, often by judges appointed by Republicans.
00:04:52.780So in the broadest sense, what's on trial is fact, is truth.
00:05:02.040And then the second thing that's on trial, which is vital, is half the country has essentially decided that whatever Donald Trump does is fine because of X, Y or Z, whatever that reason is.
00:05:19.600That's right. There are there is a strong base.
00:05:23.440Then there are his enablers who think that they're going to have lower taxes and more conservative judges.
00:05:29.980And it doesn't matter that he's trying to rip up the Constitution.
00:05:34.540That's a decision that a lot of folks have made.
00:05:37.240The question is going to be, as we head into this presidential election, is will a sufficient number of those people stand by Donald Trump, come what may, including a felony conviction, including possibly convictions, certainly trials about overturning an election that he just didn't like?
00:05:58.160Right. That's on trial. So truth and democracy are on trial this year.
00:06:04.520And I don't it's it's it's I have no pleasure in saying this.
00:06:08.260I'm not trying to I'm not being hyperbolic.
00:06:10.320You know, this this isn't like history nerd sweepstakes.
00:06:13.960You know, it's not that this is the fact of the matter.
00:06:17.260And American democracy, in many ways, is being tested here.
00:06:21.120The assault on America, nothing like this has ever happened before.
00:09:19.760She's already been in the face of CNN.
00:09:22.460And let's play a short clip and we'll bring Laura Loomer live from lower Manhattan.
00:09:26.300The other day you had a retired U.S. federal judge on your show and you were asking her about the motion that was filed by President Trump and his legal team about whether or not Judge Marchand should recuse himself, right, over his daughter's conflicts of interest.
00:33:52.340Laura's over there in the park where some of the demonstrations are loomering people.
00:33:56.860We're going to go back to her in a second.
00:33:57.860But, Mike, I just want to make sure people understand.
00:34:01.220Cy Vance and the Manhattan DA's office are as virulently anti-Trump as you could possibly get.
00:34:09.280The guy that was their assistant they put specifically on this, Cy Vance did, is a Trump hater from the beginning and wants to see Trump in prison.
00:34:18.520Both of those guys and the staff, even with Alvin Bragg at first, said there's nothing here.
00:34:27.360I mean, this is hardwired, as you've exposed.
00:34:31.100This is hardwired from Garland's DOJ that seconded Matthew Colangelo there to get good order and discipline and make sure this thing could even be brought with all the jujitsu they had to do from basically a commercial bookkeeping issue to now, I don't know, 20 felonies that I just read this morning could have a max of 20 years in a state prison.
00:34:53.780Right. And over at Rikers or, you know, Sing Sing or someplace like this.
00:34:58.720Just give me a moment on that, how people that hated Trump and hate him to a blood-boiling degree said, we can't do this.
00:35:12.600We will be laughed out of a court, sir.
00:35:14.320Well, I would be laughed out of a normal court, but you're in front of this biased Democrat Manhattan Judge Juan Mershon who donated to Biden and another anti-Trump cause.
00:35:27.240His daughter is profiting off this criminal prosecution.
00:35:31.040And this Matthew Colangelo, let's talk about Matthew Colangelo's background because President Trump can't because Judge Juan Mershon gags Trump illegally unconstitutionally.
00:35:41.320So we're going to talk about this. You have Lauren Mershon, the adult daughter, raising nearly $100 million off this criminal prosecution.
00:35:48.080She gets a percentage of that because she runs the consulting company.
00:35:51.760She's the fundraiser. It could be a big percent, maybe 10 percent.
00:35:55.120That's the going rate on political fundraising.
00:35:57.540And then you have Matthew Colangelo. Let's talk about Matthew Colangelo's background.
00:36:02.600He is a political appointee. He worked for the Obama Justice Department for Tom Perez when Tom Perez ran the Civil Rights Division.
00:36:12.400And then Tom Perez went on to be Obama's labor secretary.
00:36:39.360And then he joined the Biden Justice Department on the parachute team.
00:36:44.880He was the number two to the number three.
00:36:47.280He was the acting number three before Vanita Gupta, a hardcore leftist, got confirmed.
00:36:52.140And then Matthew Colangelo was Vanita Gupta's henchman, the number two to the number three.
00:36:57.620A very important job in the Justice Department that oversees all the civil litigating divisions, civil rights, civil tax, antitrust, a whole litany of them, office of justice programs.
00:37:09.060And then Matthew Colangelo got deployed to Alvin Bragg's office, the Soros-funded Manhattan DA,
00:37:15.860to resurrect the zombie case for allegations from, what, seven years ago?
00:37:20.940Time-barred allegations from seven years ago.
00:40:27.920Even Bragg himself didn't want to take up the case.
00:40:30.820Improprieties run amok throughout this case.
00:40:33.040You know, with his daughter, I was just on the website last night.
00:40:36.300Their clients, of course, are Adam Schiff, who pushed the phony Steele dossier story.
00:40:41.120Kathy Hochul as well, the governor of New York, and the Brennan Justice System Center that is trying to advocate for all of the bail reform as well.
00:40:49.720When you have the Biden-Harris campaign as one of your main clients, and she's the president of this organization,
00:40:54.960I mean, how is that not a conflict of interest?
00:40:56.840Not only is she the president of authentic campaigns, but she was also one of the directors of rapid response and creative direction for Kamala Harris' presidential campaign when Kamala Harris was running for president.
00:41:23.780What do you think about the fact that Judge Marshawn isn't recusing himself and began the trial today by just openly addressing the motion to recusal, saying that it was based off speculation?
00:41:36.240It's a lawfare of the most, you know, of the highest example.
00:41:40.260And, you know, the fact of the matter is, you know, it's one thing that he's not recusing himself from this trial, but the fact that President Trump can't even talk about it, that he's been imposed this gag order on him, and he's had his free speech rights, his First Amendment rights stripped away from him, is beyond absurd.
00:42:00.340It's egregious what they're doing to him here.
00:42:02.500As a lawyer, though, yourself, do you think that there's more than just speculation based off the evidence that's been presented making the case for why Judge Marshawn should recuse himself?
00:42:12.900What do you think about him saying it's just speculation?
00:42:15.640I think it's certainly more than speculation, and because of that, that's why we're no longer allowed to talk about it.
00:42:20.720That's why President Trump isn't allowed to truth about it, and that's why this gag order is so expansive.
00:42:25.540It's one thing to impose a gag order on you, but to basically limit his ability to talk about this case at all is unprecedented.
00:42:32.900And it's such an abuse of the judicial system, the weaponized justice system, as we like to say in New York State, and this is like the heart of that weaponized justice system.
00:42:41.120And that's really what this election cycle is all about.
00:42:44.360Do we get to preserve our due process rights, our First Amendment rights, or do we lose everything that our founding father is hardwired?
00:42:52.140And that's why we're out here, Steve, because if President Trump is going to be gagged and he's not going to be able to speak for himself, we have to be his voice.
00:43:03.780We were on the bullhorn earlier, and it's egregious.
00:43:07.180It's egregious that the most powerful man in the world, the president of the United States, is being silenced in what is supposed to be the freest country in the world.
00:43:16.400We are watching our country devolve into a communist hellhole, okay?
00:43:22.560It's an absolute communist hellhole, and that's what it's going to be.
00:43:26.080Our country's over if Trump doesn't win.
00:49:23.540And then if you read the juror questionnaire that this judge submitted, it asks a lot of questions.
00:49:31.200It's going to eliminate, you know, maybe the 10 people in Manhattan who actually support Trump are going to get eliminated through this juror questionnaire that's stacked against Trump.
00:49:43.980It asks these potential jurors if they follow Trump on social media and if they support Trump and his causes.
00:49:51.900But they don't ask these potential jurors if they support Biden and his causes.
00:49:56.920So this whole process is stacked against President Trump.
00:50:00.680You have a former Clinton federal judge who has come out on CNN, on Caitlin Collins' show on CNN back on April 5th,
00:50:09.720and said that this Democrat Manhattan judge should recuse from this case.
00:50:14.660Juan Mershon should recuse because his adult daughter, Lauren, has a financial stake in this criminal trial over which he's presiding.
00:50:22.280It is very clear under New York law this is a corrupt prosecution by Soros-funded Manhattan DA Alvin Bragg,
00:50:31.040by a former Biden senior political appointee in the Justice Department, Matthew Colangelo.
00:50:37.660This stinks to high heaven here in Manhattan.
00:50:43.640Real quickly, you're going to come back and join us in the second hour, as is Laura.
00:50:47.240This whole issue of the gag order, this is, I mean, the reason we're there in such a show of force is to amplify the truth of what's going on.
00:50:55.940Because President Trump can't, supposedly, will go to jail if he even talks about this, sir.
00:51:02.920Yeah, this is outrageous that these Democrat prosecutors and these Democrat judges and these Democrat hellholes like New York, D.C., and Atlanta
00:51:10.680are putting a gag order on a criminal defendant.
00:51:13.960It is the criminal defendant, not the government, who has the constitutional rights here.
00:51:19.880And the gag orders in criminal cases are supposed to protect the criminal defendant,
00:51:24.900to make sure the criminal defendant gets a fair, public, and speedy trial under the 6th and 14th Amendments to the U.S. Constitution.
00:51:33.380These Democrats, prosecutors, and judges have turned the Constitution on its head
00:51:38.060from a shield to protect us from the government into a sword the government is using to come after us