Episode 3545： Johnson Caves To Democrats
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Summary
On today's show, we have a special guest on The War Room, Manu Rajan Bharti, who joins us to talk about the House of Representatives and the ongoing drama surrounding Speaker Mike Johnson's leadership of the House. We also hear from CNN's Manu Pinnamaneni, who explains why it's time for the House to impeach Speaker Johnson and why he should be removed from office. Finally, we hear from NPR's Peter Bergen, who is in Ukraine and talks about his experience there.
Transcript
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I proposed different paths for the speaker that would have avoided the abject surrender represented by his strategic choice here.
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There's no other way to describe it. It's surrender. It's disappointing. I won't support it.
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It's disappointing. It's completely detached from what our base wants, what our voters want.
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The strategy is not to try. I think the strategy is to fall on a sword.
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So when I asked Congressman Chip Roy about whether or not it was time for him to oust Mike Johnson from the speakership,
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he said that he went right up to the line, Dana, and didn't go across that line,
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perhaps because he needs to talk with the speaker, which is happening right now.
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Now, the question is, will the numbers add up to oust him from the speakership?
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Because Democrats, as you mentioned, could step in to save him because of what he's doing here on Ukraine.
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So this is a different situation than the fall when McCarthy was ousted from the speakership.
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But no doubt about it, Mike Johnson opening up a revolt on the far right with his conference, with his move here.
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Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we just saw it just right there, what you played for us.
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Manu, thanks so much. Always great to have you on.
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OK, we'll watch that. We see Senator Schumer at the podium right now, still silence in the room.
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A moment ago, you saw a bald gentleman go back and forth in the well.
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I don't believe it's not this guy. Maybe it is.
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That is the secretary for the majority, Gary Myrick, talking to the majority leader.
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Let me listen to, let us listen to Patty Murray.
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The point of order is well taken and the article false.
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I raise a point of order that impeachment article two does not allege conduct that rises to the level of a high crime or misdemeanor as required under article two, section four of the United States Constitution and is therefore unconstitutional.
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Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people.
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I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.
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And where do people like that go to share the big line?
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I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
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Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
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If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
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It's Natalie G. Winter's hosting, filling in for Stephen K. Bannon today, Wednesday, April 17th.
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In the year of our Lord, 2024, in the words of CNN, House in Revolt.
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If only, if only we could actually have a revolution and overthrow Speaker Johnson.
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The best we can get is just, what is it, another $100 billion to Ukraine, Israel, and the Indo-Pacific.
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And, oh, by the way, just to make sure, in case you didn't think your elites, your so-called betters hate you,
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they made sure to throw in $300 million for border patrol in Ukraine, not in the United States.
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I think that's just to rub salt in the wound, to stick it to you, to stick it to the families, people like Lake and Riley,
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and all of these Americans who have been killed at the hands of illegal aliens.
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Frankly, when Chuck Schumer stands up there and says he doesn't think it's a high crime and misdemeanor what Mayorkas has done at the southern border,
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I think that right there is the quiet part out loud.
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They don't think he's done anything wrong because they don't believe in the sovereignty of this country,
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and frankly, they don't believe in borders or walls.
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So it's no wonder why they don't want to have a trial in the Senate.
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They also probably don't want to have all the millions of taxpayer dollars,
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hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars that have been flowing to NGOs, shady government organizations,
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probably the Mexican government, and probably the cartels in the Chinese Communist Party
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that are helping this wide-open southern border have a massive invasion and influx,
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not just of military fighting-age men, but fentanyl, too, while you're at it, right?
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Well, I believe we have Kurt Mills to join us to break this all down.
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I know we had had you scheduled, and as the hours got closer and closer to the show,
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there just became more and more things that we had to cover, of course,
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the, I think, latest or biggest news that we have since this morning's show.
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In the conference, if you want to sort of walk us through just the asinine nature
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of this new $100 billion, like I said in the beginning,
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for Ukraine, Israel, and the Indo-Pacific, that's how they're couching it.
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Look, at court, this is the most important function of the federal government.
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This is something that the U.S. government can do.
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As a military, it can wield it or it can choose not to wield it.
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And from my perspective as editor of a conservative magazine,
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our position has been it's just really no point in having a conservative speaker of the House
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if you're going to pass out this massive aid package for a war that is lost in Eurasia,
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a war that is clearly being won in the Middle East,
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and for a potential coalition partner in the Indo-Pacific that is not being as military applications.
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It's very clear that the American people should have a referendum on this subject in the November
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elections, and Speaker Johnson should call Congress closed for business on the matter.
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I think you probably saw, and I'm sure the Warren posse has their heads, their pants,
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everything on fire over the nerve of Mike McCall.
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I would say the swamp epitomized someone who, what was it, peddled the Russia collusion hoax,
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but sure, lecture us on a foreign interference.
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He went after Senator J.D. Vance for daring to criticize the, what is it, the Repo Act,
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basically saying that we shouldn't tie President Trump's hands over what he can do in Ukraine
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and more broadly Europe by pushing deals that basically do just that, right,
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However, as the president, of course, the policies, as you were saying, the ideologies behind them,
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We're just sending Ukrainian men who, what is it, average age, like 45, to die in Russian fire.
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But what are your thoughts on the voices like Mike McCall, who are just like a beating drum,
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will not let it go, will not stop with this incessant Ukraine?
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What is the issue that is propelling these people to not give up on the Ukraine fight?
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I think the critical, without going into the motivations particularly,
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I think the critical element here is essentially attention.
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I understand that the presidential race and even some of these big Senate races get all the attention,
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and this is something that I would urge your viewers, the war room posse,
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Beneath the speakership, beneath the presidency, beneath the marquee Senate races,
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there are all these committee chairmen that you've never heard of.
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And I would challenge most people in the country have not heard of Mr. McCall.
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But this is one of the most influential people in the country as chairman of this committee.
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And the reality is, until there is a grander, more fights like this, a grander question,
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a grander narrative about why people like this can't wield authority,
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you're going to see a default to the type of thinking that has triumphed in this city since 2003,
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And it has only ruination and an appreciation of American power,
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the depreciation of American power to show for it.
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And can you sort of extrapolate this on the Israeli front and even the Indo-Pacific front,
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And I believe they also concurrently introduced a border security measure.
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But just how they're sort of playing games with these priorities,
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kind of, I always call it red meat for the base,
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but trying to string us along with these little shiny toys, as Steve always says.
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But walk us through the Israel side of this package as well.
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Yeah, I mean, the Israel thing is very confusing.
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And I think even among the ranks of conservatives, there's this agreement.
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Conservative skepticals of foreign wars are divided on the Israel quotient to it.
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From my perspective, I think it's pretty simple.
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Why do we need a military aid package for a war that's not going to change out in Eastern Europe?
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And why do we need a military aid package for a war that the Israelis are already winning?
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The controversy over the war in the Middle East is not whether or not Israel is going to deal with Hamas.
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It's whether or not they're dealing with them too brutally.
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And so at the same time that that's the question,
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our solution is to throw them military technology that they don't need.
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It's just that our perpetration of the war is going to be bad for the Ukrainian people and for humanity, quite frankly.
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if Taiwan is not willing to meet its own defense needs,
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it's not clear why the U.S. should throw an expenditure this way
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that is merely provocative to the Chinese and invites this invasion sooner.
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If the Taiwanese meet the defense needs, I think we can have a conversation then.
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Well, sorry, I was having some audio difficulties.
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But when you say, you know, you don't want to necessarily get into
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what is the driving factors behind a lot of these politicians,
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I mean, I think the war room posse is fairly familiar with people like Mike McCaul.
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But I'm just curious in the sense that, you know, whether it's Israel, whether it's Taiwan,
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the ability to put America first is just lost on members of Congress.
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And, of course, you have the rank and file members.
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You have a few people, right, like the Matt Gaetzes of the world,
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They've said they will challenge and primary those who vote for additional Ukraine spending.
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I'm just curious, could you drill down a little bit on what you think
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are sort of the motivating factors behind why these people just refuse to put America first?
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I know that's sort of a cliché, dumbed-down way of saying it.
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And why does it seem so hard to find actual America first conservatives
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and do the things they were actually elected to do?
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The reality is if he dies, if he falls on his sword, so to speak here,
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if his speakership dies, and he will have done it on the Ukraine issue,
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the likelihood of corporate board seats in Fortune 500 companies
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and defense contractors that ring Northern Virginia,
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offering him slots, i.e. the Nikki Haley option, is just way higher.
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So, yes, I think there have to be renumerative considerations.
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Now, I'm not arguing that money is exchanging hands now,
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but there's no effective legislation or controls on people making policy decisions
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And I don't really know what the check on it would be.
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You could create a five-year lobbying ban, a one-year lobbying ban, a 10-year lobbying ban.
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I think you always find loopholes here, and that's why it's important for a democracy
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But in terms of, you know, foreign theaters and certain members, frankly,
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lost to get involved in them, I do think there's something almost psychological going on
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where they get to have these sort of nationalist impulses for a foreign country
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where they're afraid to show that, you know, impulse here at home,
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which is a shame considering, I mean, the country is actually suffering
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what could be termed an invasion on the southern border.
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So in your estimation, obviously, you follow this stuff quite closely.
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The American conservative is always ahead of the curve.
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How do you think this is going to shake out, particularly on the Speaker Johnson front?
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Do you think we're going to see the motion to vacate?
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We know Tom Emmer's already sort of potentially putting his hat in the ring.
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Just again, hypothetically, how do you think it'll shake out?
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Yeah, I mean, I don't see how this passes and Speaker Johnson survives
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And if he takes Democratic votes, then his speakership will be terminal after the election.
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I think it would be a sad statement, a sad coda, frankly, on his career
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as a conservative and Republican lawmaker and activist
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to accept Democratic support to maintain his speakership.
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I mean, it does feel like everyone's sort of fatigued and wants to have this election,
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and so potentially his chances of survival are higher than McCarthy's were in autumn.
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But I don't think they're certain by any stretch of the imagination.
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And I don't think—I mean, there are 220-odd Republican lawmakers,
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and the speakership itself is famously not closed to almost any American.
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I mean, we can't find somebody who can keep this conference together.
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But if people want to follow you and get American Conservative,
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where can they go to do all that and support the magazine?
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You can read my tweets at Kurt Mills, C-U-R-T-M-I-L-L-S.
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We have a new issue out all about Ohio, some of the names, Vivek Ramaswamy, J.D. Vance,
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people at the leading edge of opposing this stuff.
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We're going to open the next block with, I guess, what your future could look like
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if Joe Biden wins again, if they're—sorry, steals it again.
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It's an audio recording that John Eastman received from Bank of America
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in live, I guess, real time, getting debanked by Bank of America
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for, you guessed it, daring to support President Donald J. Trump,
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You've seen the fate that similar patriots have suffered.
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Warren Posse, we'll be playing that right after this short 90-second break.
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That should be a campaign ad maybe for Joe Biden or any of the World Economic Forum, UN, WHO,
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global elites who want to use social credit scores styled after, of course, the Biden family
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I actually think it was Hunter Biden who was invested in one of the companies who was involved
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Joining me now to break down that call and so much more is the reporter from The Daily
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If you want to walk the audience through what they just heard, why it's so scary and, frankly,
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I mean, Natalie, this debanking trend, this appears to be the new front of Democratic law
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So to break it down, John Eastman was first notified in September 2023 that his Bank of
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America account was going to be closed and that they could not provide him any details
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They said, if you want more details, feel free to give us a call.
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When he goes to give them a call, there's that audio.
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They say, actually, it's our policy that we can't tell you anything else.
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And this was after he had been in business with Bank of America for about 40 years.
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Well, two months later, USAA, you know, that company that's famously known for banking
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with military families and insuring military families, also moves to close his accounts
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We went to Bank of America and USAA after we had attained the letters from John Eastman
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confirming that his accounts had been closed without warning.
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Bank of America, you know, initially said, hey, we're going to give you a comment by your
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We provided them two days to do so and to get back to us.
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And then about an hour before my deadline, they got back to me and said, you know, actually,
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I followed up three times and, you know, I even followed up once more after my deadline
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had passed to be like, hey, this is the last time I'm going to follow up.
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Are you sure you don't want to provide any sort of comment?
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John Eastman was about, you know, when I talked to him, 99 percent confident that this was political
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retaliation after everything he's been through, after he, you know, provided legal advice to
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President Trump in wake of the 2020 election, this was just another bump in the road for him
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that he just saw as another way for the left to attack him.
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I want to take a step back because I think you're right to make this story bigger, right,
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than just John Eastman in the sense that this is what they want to do to the entire MAGA
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But can you give us maybe some other high-profile stories of similar kind of debanking attacks,
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lawfare attacks, as you have said, against other high-profile kind of MAGA movement members?
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So I spoke to the Foundation of Government Accountability, and they told me that they have
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seen this with a lot of Christian groups, actually, and Christian nonprofits who have been debanked
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and haven't been given a reason. Bank of America, they pointed to, is actually known for kind of
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doing this to Americans. They could just consistently pointed to Christian groups who this has happened
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to. You know, it's dangerous because when Americans' bank accounts are closed without any reason,
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and they lose access to their finances, and they're not able to feed their families or pay their bills,
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and there might be just even the slightest indication, even if the bank maybe doesn't
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provide a reason, but there's that thought in their mind that maybe this is political,
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that has such a chilling effect, Natalie. Americans will become concerned that maybe they shouldn't
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speak out about their beliefs, their faith, and who they are, out of risk that they might,
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you know, lose their relationship with the bank.
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And a lot of people don't have much of a choice to switch banks.
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It might just be the bank that's the closest down the road. That might be Bank of America,
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Reagan, if people want to listen to the audio again, read more of your wonderful reporting,
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I think we had you on the show. Most recently, you exposed the, I believe it was the NRCC,
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with the same tenacity that you went after USAA and Bank of America. If people want to follow you
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and stay up to date with your reporting, where can they go to do all that?
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Well, Natalie, let me tell you, there's more reporting coming that I think you guys are going
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to enjoy, but ReaganReese underscore at Twitter, and it's the same thing on Instagram,
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and I'm the White House correspondent for the Daily Caller, dailycaller.com. We're doing some
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great reporting, you know, giving you all the details on the political landscape today.
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Now, you guys have heard a tale of two presidents when we juxtaposed President Trump meeting with
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the family of the slain officer. Meanwhile, you got Joe Biden holding some hoity-toity fundraiser
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in Wall Street with a bunch of, frankly, presidents who actually should be sitting and rotting in jail,
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if not just for treason, but for a host of other crimes that we'll do a war room special on
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one day. But I just want to draw a tale of two cities, or maybe another juxtaposition,
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a tale of two leaders, President Trump and Zelensky. Now, Zelensky's not much of a leader,
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but when you think about what is going on in the city of New York when it comes to the fine-toothed
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comb and then some that they are going through President Trump's finances with, what they
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could only really find was a marginal, what was it, tax accounting error, one little thing maybe.
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Meanwhile, Zelensky's getting, what is it, hundreds of billions of your taxpayer dollars,
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and they can't even conduct a meaningful audit of any of those dollars, any of those pennies,
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one single cent? Remember, it was the White House just last year, I believe it was in October,
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when they were fretting because Americans were daring to actually push back on their bogus
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narratives about supporting the Ukraine war. Instead of doubling down and saying,
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hey, we want to convince the American people that investing in what is going on in Ukraine
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is worth it, democracy actually matters. You know what they did? The new spin was it wasn't
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let's conduct meaningful audits. It was let's lie to the American people that the Ukraine war
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is good for manufacturing jobs here at home, that it's good for made in America policies,
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and that it's good for strengthening our industrial base. You know what's good for strengthening our
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industrial base, Joe Biden? Banning the Chinese Communist Party from owning land and farmland here in
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the United States. They speak out of both sides of their mouth to the point that even Speaker Mike
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Johnson put out a tweet, what was it, two hours ago, slamming Senate Democrats for refusing to hold
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a trial against Mayorkas. They said, you are supporting, you are co-signing Joe Biden's border
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crisis. Well, newsflash, Mike Johnson, Joe Biden just signed off on your Ukraine, Taiwan, and Israel aid
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bill. So the same president who's comfortable destroying this country by allowing an invasion
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at the southern border, if he's supporting your foreign policy, something tells me something is not
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right there. That's not America first. That's not putting American citizens first. It's certainly not
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putting America first, and it's certainly not putting American interests first. So Joe Biden endorsing
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your Ukraine aid bill. Yeah, that means absolutely nothing. Steve told me I had to give Speaker Johnson
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some fire since he couldn't be hosting today. So I try my best. Someone who, of course, is always
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bringing the fire over an American moment is, of course, Saurabh Sharma. Although, from what I
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understand, you guys are trying to bring the fire over there in Brussels, but the police forces don't
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want you to, if I'm not mistaken. Can you watch? Actually, you know what? I believe we have a clip.
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If Denver has it, let's play that. And then I want you to kind of walk us through what we just watched.
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NatCon Brussels 2, under siege by Belgian police. We have had our conference going since this morning.
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The first venue was canceled, was forced to cancel by leftist political pressure. The second venue,
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20 hours before the event, pull out of a signed contract. Now we're in the third venue. The police
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showed up with an order saying that we are creating a public disturbance. What we have here
00:26:02.940
is 400 people in a venue holding a conference. People are speaking about topics, political,
00:26:09.280
philosophical, historical. We have 50 of the leading conservative speakers from across Europe here,
00:26:14.860
all of them gathering prime ministers, foreign prime ministers, ministers, a cardinal.
00:26:22.240
Wild times. Talk about debanking, deplatforming. I feel like the progenitor of all that was the,
00:26:35.360
you know, conservatives getting kicked off of college campuses here in the United States,
00:26:39.180
but it sort of reached, I guess, its logical conclusion. Saurabh, can you walk us through
00:26:43.520
this event, what's going on and why they want to shut you down so badly?
00:26:46.340
Absolutely, Natalie. And it's funny you make that analogy. It's exactly what I said as the
00:26:52.620
conference was going on. I thought my days of having speeches and conferences canceled were
00:26:57.480
over because I wasn't on a college campus anymore, but it was a throwback to six, seven years when I
00:27:02.300
was at the University of Texas at Austin. So I'll walk you through it really basically. I'm the
00:27:06.360
executive director of Edmund Burke Foundation, which puts on national conservatism conferences in the
00:27:11.380
United States and Europe, in addition to being president of American Moment. And we were about
00:27:15.240
to host a conference in Brussels. This was going to be our second conference there after a couple
00:27:19.940
of years. And the framework was that Europe is about to go into elections in early June that will
00:27:24.880
determine whether or not it will continue to be a continent of independent nations charting their
00:27:30.060
own history or this totalitarian angiocracy hosted in Brussels. And so that was the framework of
00:27:37.140
the conference. The subtitle was preserving the nation state in Europe. A couple of days ago,
00:27:41.920
we got a notification that the first venue that we had been booked for months to have this conference
00:27:47.060
at, Concert Nobel, right across the street from the European Parliament, was pulling out of the
00:27:51.560
conference. And we were completely shocked by this. We'd hosted a conference there successfully
00:27:56.520
before, completely blindsided us. We eventually, over the course of the weekend, found a second venue,
00:28:02.320
the Sofitel in Europe, to host this conference. And we thought, okay, you know, it'll be a little
00:28:07.800
disruptive, but what we figured it out, everything's going to be fine. Then Monday night, the day before
00:28:12.020
the conference, the Sofitel also pulls out. And then we realized that there's something quite fishy
00:28:17.180
going on here. We've got to cut to a break. So I want to leave the audience hanging on that.
00:28:21.320
It's a very good cliffhanger. It's planned perfectly, like out of a Hollywood, what is it, film room?
00:28:27.740
That's what Steve always says. War Room Posse. We will be back after this break. In the meantime,
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Welcome back to The War Room. It's still Natalie G. Winter's hosting. We still got Sir Rob Sharma from
00:31:01.460
American Moment and so much more. I believe the Edmund Burke Foundation as well. Joining us,
00:31:06.580
we had to cut because of the break, but you were just getting to the third part of your story. It's
00:31:10.820
sort of like, what is it, Goldilocks? Except instead of it being too hot, too cold, they were just like,
00:31:15.520
oh, you guys are too radical. You're way too radical. But apparently the third venue,
00:31:19.820
it was just right until the police came and stopped a lot of your speakers from coming in.
00:31:26.500
Sure. So we finally get this very last second venue in Brussels to host a conservative conference
00:31:34.360
about the nation state. And I am on stage chairing a panel Tuesday afternoon. It's right around noon.
00:31:41.740
The conference has only been going on for two or three hours. And my colleagues start texting me
00:31:45.900
that the police are on their way to shut the event down. And that's when we realized what was
00:31:50.540
actually going on. The mayor of Brussels had made it his goal to shut down this event, the socialist
00:31:56.380
mayor. And the police came. They sent three cops. They sort of stood outside and said the event is
00:32:02.160
canceled for a little bit. Then they came in. They saw the big crowd. They saw the cameras. And they got
00:32:07.500
spooked. And they went back outside. And they decided to play a game of attrition with us. They said,
00:32:12.280
OK, we can't actually shut this event down. We're not interested in frog marching 400 nice people in
00:32:19.440
suits and dresses out of this conference. So if you leave, you can't come back in. And so we're
00:32:25.360
basically holding you hostage. I started calling it the Brussels hostage crisis. And the funny thing
00:32:30.120
is, is that we didn't have lunch, but everyone wanted to stay all the way through the event.
00:32:35.960
We were trying to smuggle cardinals and members of European Parliament into the building. They somehow
00:32:42.580
made it in. So I guess they found a way around the police. But, you know, Eric Zemmour, a former
00:32:46.960
presidential candidate in France was prevented from entering the venue. But we continued to have
00:32:51.520
the conference all through the end of the day. And late that night, a Brussels court actually ruled
00:32:56.540
against the mayor of Brussels and said that this was completely unconstitutional and they had to allow
00:33:01.840
the conference to happen. So we just a couple hours ago wrapped up one of the most important
00:33:06.500
conservative conferences Europe has ever had, undeterred by this tyrannical Brussels government,
00:33:11.700
four separate attempts to cancel us. And look, the Streisand effect is real. A lot more eyeballs
00:33:18.520
were on this event than they would have liked. Four prime ministers had to step in and say that this
00:33:24.920
is absurd. So I don't think the Brussels mayor exactly got what he wanted. The message of national
00:33:29.980
conservatism is spreading much further and much wider because of what he did.
00:33:34.940
I think there's a lot of metaphorical significance with what went on. Of course,
00:33:39.140
Brussels, what is that? The city of the global elite, right? It's almost as bad as Davos,
00:33:43.640
I would probably say. Although I guess you guys are the counterculture Davos now. I think you
00:33:48.020
solidified that with the police literally trying to shut you down. But I'm just curious. Obviously,
00:33:53.160
they're trying to quash, or at least it seems like at any meaningful substantive discussions of the
00:33:57.640
importance of the, you know, Westphalian nation state. But it seems sort of interesting. Meanwhile,
00:34:02.580
they're pushing day after day after day. Of course, they're not actually supporting it
00:34:06.200
financially, but the importance of Ukraine's borders and Ukraine's sovereignty and their
00:34:10.380
territorial integrity. But when we want to have it for other countries, right, it's sort of a moot
00:34:15.000
point. You aren't allowed to go there. If you want to maybe kind of read the audience in on a little
00:34:20.180
bit of what you guys talked about, you know, who was there in terms of different European countries,
00:34:25.620
the sort of globalist or anti-globalist rather coalition that I know Steve has had an intimate hand
00:34:30.320
and building, but how it's burgeoning and how it really is rising up, so much so that they're
00:34:35.580
having to deploy police forces to put it down. Absolutely. So a couple of months ago,
00:34:43.140
The Economist had as their front cover for the magazine. And I remember Steve texted me at the
00:34:48.360
time and was so pleased with it. It was a MAGA hat. But instead of saying, make America great again,
00:34:53.380
it was a laundry list of countries that have all had these nationalist populist revolutions. So it said
00:34:58.500
Hungary, Italy, France, the United Kingdom, El Salvador. And it was basically all of the places
00:35:05.220
where conservative patriots with nationalist instincts have actually found a foothold in
00:35:10.460
power. And this is what the left is most afraid of. They were always globalists and deeply connected
00:35:16.000
with each other. And I think the mistake that many conservatives made for a few decades is they
00:35:20.100
assumed that you had to be a globalist in order to be connected with fellow conservative patriots
00:35:25.560
across the world. That's obviously not true, as we've realized in the last few years. Steve was a
00:35:29.820
trailblazer on this. National conservatism conferences have been trailblazers in this space.
00:35:34.460
And so when they see conservatives uniting across nations with maybe some minor disagreements between
00:35:40.720
them, but showing a consolidated force against the global left, they get very afraid. Obviously,
00:35:46.320
they have their boogeymen. They really don't like Viktor Orban because he's pro-peace and believes
00:35:51.440
that sending hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians and Russians into the meat grinder is not exactly
00:35:56.920
in Europe's best interest. They really don't like Nigel Farage because he is basically the biggest
00:36:01.840
threat to Brussels that's ever existed in one person. They don't like Erickson Moore because he believes
00:36:06.780
in sovereignty and French identity. They really did not like most of these speakers at this conference.
00:36:12.360
So I don't blame them for being upset. It's just more evidence than ever that when European elites
00:36:19.320
preach about liberal democracy and tolerance, liberal democracy means they win and you lose.
00:36:26.000
And so we really shouldn't listen to their bleeding about liberal democracy. And we certainly shouldn't
00:36:30.620
take them seriously when they call us fascists anymore. I want to link this to what is going on
00:36:36.440
here at home, specifically with the Democrat-controlled Senate deciding to not hold a trial against
00:36:43.180
Mayorkas. I believe all Democrats voted it down in the beginning. Murkowski voted present. Then she
00:36:51.020
later switched to a no. So I guess another day, the rhinos in the Senate will live without facing the
00:36:56.460
phone call fury and wrath and fire of the war room posse. But it's the issue of immigration that I've
00:37:02.820
always said the American people are the most gaslit on. It's the issue that I think the elites lie to us
00:37:07.500
the most on. And they get really, really upset about it when you dare to say the word sovereignty,
00:37:12.460
borders, nation state, right? Rejecting the idea of a global government. I never elected a global
00:37:19.180
governor, right? It's ridiculous stuff. But I'm just curious your thoughts more for maybe the American
00:37:25.000
moment perspective on just the Senate's refusal to hold a trial against Mayorkas when they say what
00:37:31.280
he's doing at the southern border. It's not a high crime and misdemeanor. It's utterly absurd. I think
00:37:39.660
that if this level of dereliction of duty is not impeachable and not worthy of a Senate trial, then
00:37:46.280
nothing is. We may as well pack it up. There is no cabinet. We are run by the deep state. Mayorkas'
00:37:51.960
subversion of the American people and their interests is one of the greatest crimes committed against the
00:37:56.720
American people ever. You know, our friend Raheem Kassam, he said for years that if a Democrat won
00:38:02.200
in 2020 that they would bring 10 million migrants across the border and people said he's crazy, that
00:38:07.820
he's absurd. Well, they're on pace for something like that. It's an insane, insane invasion at our
00:38:13.820
southern border. And immigration really is the galvanizing and the uniting issue for conservative
00:38:19.680
patriots across the world. It is the same fight. They're trying to bring millions of people into the
00:38:25.020
United Kingdom. They're trying to bring millions of people into France. They're trying to bring
00:38:28.460
millions of people into Germany. Part of the reason they hate Hungary and Poland so much is
00:38:32.900
because they said no to bringing millions of people in. And now the greatest natural experiment
00:38:37.300
in European history is going to play out. How did the countries that said no to mass migration
00:38:42.440
fare? And how did the ones that said yes fare? And I think the truth is simple. The ones that allowed
00:38:47.900
tens of millions of unvetted Muslim migrants from the third world to come into their nations aren't going to
00:38:53.500
exist as European nations in two, three, four decades. And the ones that chose a different path
00:38:58.100
will continue to exist. And that's why we have to keep fighting on this immigration issue in the
00:39:02.280
United States, because as bad as the situation is in the U.S., it can get a lot worse. Coming
00:39:06.760
through Europe is proof of that. You see how it's unrecognizable. So we can never let up on the
00:39:12.780
rhinos and the left that keep on trying to make compromises on this issue, especially senators.
00:39:18.420
There's something about them, especially Republican senators. You turn your back for 30 seconds on them
00:39:22.700
and they've cooked up a new amnesty proposal. We can't let it happen.
00:39:27.020
Yeah. Spare me the comprehensive immigration reform and root causes talk, right? I've heard
00:39:32.740
that one too many times. Scariest words in the English language.
00:39:36.640
No, like seriously, they actually are. Sir Rob, let people know a little bit about American Moment
00:39:43.060
before you go and, of course, the show that you co-host. But why, from a personnel perspective,
00:39:48.100
we know personnel is policy, how you guys are really working to make sure that ahead of Trump's
00:39:53.320
impending victory that we have no deep state bureaucrats who are going to speak in, you know,
00:39:58.740
root causes and comprehensive immigration and amnesty speak. They're going to speak in
00:40:02.300
mass deportation. Take that, deep state. Just walk us through a little bit what you guys do at
00:40:11.040
Absolutely. So one of my hats is I'm the president of American Moment. We were founded right after
00:40:15.420
the 2020 election and the goal was simple. Make sure what happened to President Trump
00:40:20.100
never happens again. He did not have a cadre of a couple thousand patriots that would go into the
00:40:25.700
administration that were competent and would help enact his agenda. That can never happen again. He
00:40:31.320
needs the people to help implement his agenda. A president only has so many hours in the day.
00:40:36.920
They hire four to five thousand people to help implement their will to manage 2.2 million federal
00:40:41.940
bureaucrats. It's our job to help find those four to five thousand people, highly competent,
00:40:47.240
talented, capable, young and mid-level people. That's what we specialize in. To go work in the
00:40:51.880
future administration, to go work in congressional offices, to go work in public policy organizations
00:40:56.260
in D.C. We ruthlessly select for only a young talent that has an America first worldview and we
00:41:02.420
white glove service them into being as influential, getting them promoted as quickly as humanly
00:41:07.800
possible because we don't have a lot of time and we've had a lot of success in the last three
00:41:10.940
years. If you're a young person or you know a young person that wants to get involved,
00:41:15.040
it's not enough to sit on your couch and watch podcasts and YouTube videos all day. You actually
00:41:18.960
have to get involved. We've had a lot of young people from the War Room Posse come through our
00:41:23.240
program so we're always grateful to get connected with you and find out how we can help. So that's
00:41:27.620
what we do at American Moment. And then National Conservatism Conferences are the convening ground for
00:41:32.820
the thinkers in this movement. We'll be hosting one in the summer in the U.S. So stay tuned for that
00:41:38.900
once we have more details. Saurabh, thank you so much for joining us, for invoking a little bit
00:41:44.980
of Raheem Kassam and triggering me by saying amnesty. You definitely got to come back soon.
00:41:51.560
Thank you so much. Absolutely. Thanks, Natalie.
00:41:53.780
I think we have Michael Seifert from, of course, Public Square joining us. Now, I thought you'd be
00:42:01.860
a perfect person to have on. We had an earlier segment on the show about debanking the plague
00:42:07.060
that seems to be affecting everyone who's just even slightly adjacent to MAGA. Of course,
00:42:11.960
John Eastman, we actually listened to the audio, the phone call of Bank of America telling him that
00:42:17.080
they were no longer going to be servicing him. You obviously lead what I would say is sort of the
00:42:20.920
counterculture movement. To that, I would love to just get your thoughts on that and really how
00:42:26.900
much of a society-wide, you could even almost argue, whole-of-government approach that debanking
00:42:34.100
has become, not just for the left but for the establishment.
00:42:38.620
Well, and I would take it one step farther, Natalie, which is this is a plague that is not
00:42:42.860
only inflicting pain upon American leaders. This is a global problem as well. You see international
00:42:49.720
banks that have stifled proponents of free speech. And in the United States specifically,
00:42:55.100
obviously, it seems like MAGA is sort of the litmus test. If you have at all ever been seen
00:43:00.260
as adjacent to this America First MAGA movement, you are an object of the left and the progressive
00:43:08.080
authoritarians in our financial sectors' desire to debank. In any authoritarian society over the course
00:43:14.860
of the past 150 years, the first thing that the communists have sought to do is strip away your
00:43:22.280
economic access. It is your most important freedom. If you do not have the ability to transact in a free
00:43:27.720
economy, you cannot provide food for your family. You cannot secure your financial future. You cannot make
00:43:33.400
sure that you establish stability under all of the facets of your daily life. And that is the very thing
00:43:38.740
they want to remove from the patriots in this country, like John Eastman, that have had any
00:43:44.240
level of proximity to the former president and the broader MAGA movement or the anti-globalist movement
00:43:49.180
on the international scale. Natalie, I remember last year when Nigel Farage was actually debanked by his
00:43:55.200
bank. The authoritarians have made it clear they do not want you to be able to express your voice if it
00:44:03.360
rebukes the narrative of the regime. The regime has made it clear that they want globalism.
00:44:09.240
They want a stifling of personal expression and individualism on a broad societal basis. And if
00:44:14.760
you dare poke the bear, they will make sure that you have your financial freedom robbed. We obviously
00:44:19.560
exist as a platform to help people find their financial freedom in their consumer purchases and
00:44:24.200
in their banking. This is yet another reminder of why we need to continue fighting.
00:44:29.140
And Michael, I'll hold you through the break because I want to get your thoughts on what's going on
00:44:32.920
when it comes to even more hundreds of billions of dollars going to Ukraine, while most companies,
00:44:38.100
the Chamber of Commerce, are supporting it because they're profiting off of it. Of course,
00:44:41.600
Public Square isn't. We will be right back after this break with Michael Seifert.
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You know, he can only come on the Saturday shows because he's so busy fielding all his calls from
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Though something tells me Mike Johnson might be feeling a similar fire and fury from the War Room
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posse soon enough. Before I let you go, Michael, I have a question for you. A lot of my background as
00:47:35.700
an investigative reporter had to do with sort of these kind of funny conflicts of interest that a
00:47:40.180
lot of people who were pushing for more Ukraine aid had with, well, the Ukraine aid packages, whether
00:47:44.840
it was themselves, their spouses, their children working for companies that were really receiving
00:47:49.380
a financial boon when more billions or probably soon enough trillions of dollars were going to
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Ukraine. In the Chamber of Commerce, they have these special lobbying groups, right, that always
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push for more Ukraine aid. And you guys, whether the issue is immigration, Ukraine aid, mask mandates,
00:48:04.600
big farmers, if you guys always sort of stand alone and that you never join in on that chorus of
00:48:10.100
corporations who benefit from policies that not just deprive us of our civil liberties, but are
00:48:15.280
actively bad for America, though realistically that's probably why they support it. I'm just curious
00:48:20.840
your thoughts on the latest installment of yet another $100 billion is all the issues we're
00:48:25.880
facing here at home for Ukraine, Israel, Taiwan, you name it. What your thoughts are on really
00:48:32.460
Congress's just willingness to put America last? Well, honestly, I'm disappointed today. More than
00:48:39.060
anything, I feel frustrated and dejected. It seems like no matter how many times the America First
00:48:44.740
movement, which is the bulk of the conservative base, by the way, petitions our leaders to actually
00:48:50.140
represent our interests, they continue to let us down time and time again. The American people do
00:48:55.380
not want more aid for Ukraine or any other foreign country while we are currently being invaded.
00:49:01.040
And so when you see our southern border flooded with millions, millions of illegal migrants coming
00:49:08.140
across and taking our jobs, in many cases committing heinous crimes, all while our government turns a blind
00:49:14.920
eye, and then that same government goes and utilizes our hard-earned tax dollars to fund foreign
00:49:19.540
nations in their disputes that have no actual day-to-day impact on our day-to-day lives,
00:49:24.960
it's incredibly infuriating. And then you mention not only are elected officials having problems
00:49:30.400
continually being on the wrong side of this issue, they're not listening to us, but we also have
00:49:34.740
these bureaucratic unelected entities that are doing the same thing. You have entities like the
00:49:40.260
Chamber of Commerce that were designated to support the interests of the American business community
00:49:44.440
backing bills that provide mass amnesty for illegal immigrants. Meanwhile, the actual small businesses
00:49:53.140
that they are supposed to be representing are getting harmed by the wage effects that come with
00:49:58.020
mass illegal immigration. Small businesses do not favor illegal immigration because only the mega
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corporate entities that hire these illegal immigrants and cause really disastrous wage problems
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and completely stifle the competitive environment for a small business. Those are the only entities that
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actually profit off of this. So the Chamber of Commerce, Congress, the mega financial institutions that are
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beholden to an ESG agenda continually side with the globalists instead of the American people and the
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America First movement more broadly. It's infuriating. My hope, though, Natalie, is that in all of this,
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with the incredible war room posse, with our millions of consumers and awakened consumers that are
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recognizing that their vote takes place not only at the ballot box, but also with their wallets,
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hopefully we can push back against this and support the types of businesses that you can find on
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Public Square and the sponsors of your show and many others that will vocally protest these types of
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actions like we're seeing out of Congress today. I hope that this bill fails. I hope that Speaker
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Johnson hears a loud and clear message that Americans are ready to prioritize Americans,
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and that not only includes the individuals that make up this beautiful country, the citizens of
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this country, but also the small businesses that represent the interests of Main Street. We are
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well past due for that type of action from those that are supposed to represent us.
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Michael, if people want to follow you or get on the Public Square platform, either as a consumer
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or a business, hit us one more time where they can go to do all that.
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Well, if you're a consumer and you want to shop from the largest marketplace of America first
00:51:34.920
businesses in the country, head to publicsquare.com. We have 80,000 business vendors selling millions
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of products that would love to serve you. They've all agreed with our value statement. They love the
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country, the constitution, and the values that that wonderful document protects, and they would love
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to serve you quality products and services. And if you are a business, you can join there for free
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and save Main Street with the power of the parallel economy.
00:52:04.240
It's always important to maintain firm, hold strong on your values. If only Speaker Mike Johnson
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had an ounce of the courage and tenacity they had over at Public Square. I just want to draw a quick
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juxtaposition. You have Chuck Schumer in the Senate literally telling the American people amidst a
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chorus of cries from the left that democracy is the most important thing, telling the American
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people that the People's House who voted to basically have a trial, or I guess at least to impeach
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Mayorkas over what he did, his dereliction of duty, though I think that's too nice a term,
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his intentional destruction of this country through the southern border and the northern border too,
00:52:42.840
while we're at it, and ports of entry, you name it. He had the nerve to look the American people
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in the eye and at least tell them, oh no, you're not going to get that. You're not going to see
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all the ways the deep state, the NGOs, we've been giving your taxpayer dollars to facilitate the mass
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invasion of this country. Mike Johnson still lies to us. I almost find that more insulting to our
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intelligence because in the same breath that he says, oh, we need to give $100 billion to Ukraine,
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Israel, and Taiwan. Oh, but we're also here, look over here, look at this shiny toy. We're also going to
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introduce a bill that maybe has something to do with the border. It says the word border. What they
00:53:15.460
don't tell you is they, what was it, gave $300 million to the Ukrainian border services. Yeah, every
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single penny of that should be clawed back the second this show ends and given to the United States
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Border Patrol. And I'd raise that Speaker Mike Johnson, the fact that Joe Biden has co-signed
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on your foreign aid bill should be a very, very large red flag. So much so that I hope you guys,
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the Warren Posse, pile in, call him and make sure that a Joe Biden endorsement don't mean much.
00:53:52.140
You know why? Because if Joe Biden's endorsing it, that means the Chinese Communist Party is,
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the Mexican drug cartels, the human traffickers, the America Last Globalists, probably Klaus Schwab
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himself. And I don't know about you, but nothing about that to me is MAGA or America First.
00:54:09.500
And with that, Warren Posse, Steve will be back, of course, tomorrow. In the meantime,
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you can always go to my website, shesoright.co. Maybe show off your support for President Trump.
00:54:19.480
You've got to get the Barbie pink America First t-shirt or the keychain, anything you want,
00:54:24.800
to show off your support for him despite, what is it, 90-some-odd felonies. We don't care. MAGA
00:54:31.520
hat stays on. We still support Trump, Warren Posse. I will see you tomorrow.
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I want to warn you of a huge change that could be coming to our money and our bank accounts.
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First, think back to 9-11, shortly after the government pushed through the Patriot Act.
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This gave the government power to spy on innocent Americans by monitoring our phone and email and
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tracking our movement across the internet. Now, Jim Rickards, editor of the independent financial
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newsletter Strategic Intelligence and New York Times bestselling author, is warning about a coming
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event that could elevate this governmental surveillance to a terrifying new level. In fact,
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some of the guests I've had on The War Room believe that the government will soon expand their
00:55:12.940
powers to track our every move. If we say the wrong things on social media, donate to the wrong causes,
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buy firearms, or even vote MAGA, the government may be able to shut us out of our bank accounts.
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I can't say for sure if this will happen, but it's an interesting and dire warning. Fortunately,
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Jim Rickards, an American patriot and friend of mine, has made it his mission to educate us on
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what he believes is coming and how to protect yourself from the possibility of programmable money.
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Watch Jim's warning video now before it's censored like I've been in the past. Go to
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