Episode 3565： SCOTUS Defends MAGA On Immunity Hearing
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On Thursday, the Supreme Court ruled that former presidents are immune from criminal charges brought against them. Justice Alito, Justice Scalia, and Justice Ginsburg join host Stephen K. K. Bodington to discuss the implications of the ruling.
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We review the layers of protection that you think exists and I'm going to start
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with what the DC Circuit said. So the first layer of protection is that
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attorneys general and other Justice Department attorneys can be trusted to
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act in a professional and ethical manner, right? Yes. How robust is that protection?
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I mean most of the the vast majority of attorneys general and Justice Department
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attorneys and we both served in the Justice Department for a long time are
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honorable people and they take their professional ethical responsibilities
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seriously but there had been exceptions right both among attorneys general and
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among federal prosecutors. There have been rare exceptions Justice Alito. So as for
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attorneys general there have been two who were convicted of criminal offenses while
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in office there were others a Mitchell Palmer's one that comes to mind who
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is widely regarded as having abused the power of his office. Would you agree with
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that? I would but they are two officials in a long line of attorneys generals who
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did not and in departments of justice that are staffed by multiple people who do
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adhere to their office. So moving on to the second level of protection that the DC
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Circuit cited federal grand juries will shield former presidents from unwarranted
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indictments. How much protection is that? Well it affords two levels of protection. One
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is the probable cause finding requires evidence. I think some of the fears about
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groundless prosecutions aren't supported by evidence and they're not going to get
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out of the starting game. I mean there there's the old saw about indicting a ham
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sandwich. Yes but I think Justice... You had a lot of experience in the Justice
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Department. You come across a lot of cases where the the U.S. attorney or another federal
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prosecutor really wanted to indict a case and the grand jury refused to do so. For sure.
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Jessica, can I try one more time to clarify? Well let me just spin this out just a second,
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right? And it didn't matter what the president's motives were. We're not going to look behind
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it. Right. And same thing in Nixon. We said, gosh, Nixon versus Fitzgerald. That's something
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courts shouldn't get engaged in because presidents have all manner of motives. And again, I'm not
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concerned about this case, but I am concerned about future uses of the criminal law to target
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political opponents based on accusations about their motives. Whether it's re-election or who
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knows what corrupt means in 1512, right? We don't know what that means. Maybe we'll find out sometime
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soon. But the dangerousness of accusing your political opponent of having bad motives. And if
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that's enough to overcome your core powers or any other limits, reactions, thoughts.
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Yeah. So I think that you're raising a very difficult question.
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That's the idea, right? I mean, that is the idea. Testing, testing the limits of both sides
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arguments. And I'm going to say something that I don't normally say, which is that's really
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not involved in this case. We don't have bad political motive in that sense. I understand
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that. I appreciate that. But you also appreciate that we're writing a rule for the ages.
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This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies. Because we're going
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medieval on these people. You're just not got a free shot at all these networks lying about
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the people. The people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that.
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I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.
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And where do people like that go to share the big line? Mega media. I wish in my soul,
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I wish that any of these people had a conscience. Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my
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purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
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It's Thursday, 25 April in the year of our Lord, 2024. Historic day at the Supreme Court. Huge
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day up in the courts in New York. Also, a report magically appeared from the Judiciary Committee,
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an interim report on the criminal conspiracy against President Trump. Voila. We'll get into
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all that. Actually, Seb Gorka has been grilling Jim Jordan over his radio show. Seb's going to join
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us. I want to go to. And I want to say, I want to say thank you to Justice Alito and Gorsuch.
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You know, I'm not a lawyer and I'm particularly not a constitutional lawyer, but I can listen to
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those guys all day long, ask questions of these lawyers. And you just learn so much about this.
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Julie Kelly, you did it, you know, tweet by tweet. Walk me through your assessment of this historic
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Where do you start? I mean, those were great clips to begin with. I think it demonstrates how
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complicated, unprecedented this question is. And most importantly, the long-term consequences
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for the country, which Neil Gorsuch and Sam Alito and Brett Kavanaugh, to his credit, I thought he did
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a really good job today, too, kept raising. And Michael Dreben didn't really have a good answer
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for that. So he kind of was all over the map. Well, you'll have attorney generals and they will
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prevent a president from committing criminal acts. He has the best legal team, so he can ask lawyers
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whether or not. And then, of course, the joke about grand juries and prosecutors, you know, for a
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department of justice and state prosecutors who, you know, their approval ratings and people's trust
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in those institutions is diminishing, cratering, actually, every day. So it's very complicated.
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There are a few ways that the Supreme Court could settle this, but I think overall, the majority of
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justices indicated that they believe that presidents should not be criminally prosecuted,
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at least for what is deemed official acts or core functions of the presidency. But Steve,
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the hairy part there, right, the unknown, is who makes the decision as to what is the core function
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of the presidency or what is a personal, private, slash, political act. Presidents act personally
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for personal gain and political gain every single day. I mean, you have presidents now. You have
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a Joe Biden who is doing everything that he can to use his presidential authority to try to win
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re-election. So who makes those decisions? Jack Smith, Tanya Chutkin, the three-judge panel,
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circuit panel who the justices took some shots at today. So that is really the complicated nature.
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And that's why there's not going to be, I think, a tidy answer from the court with a little bow on it,
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either giving Trump a 100 percent victory or the government.
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Let me bring in Mike Davis. Mike, first off, I want to compliment you. Remember,
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Andrew Weissman and MSNBC, I know the audience doesn't have to watch or see us CNN. That's one
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of our functions to curate this. But they've been mocking and ridiculing even this coming forward.
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This is all made up. This is a desperate move by Trump to just move his trial back past the—this
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is all about Trump trying to delay process. The content of this, they thought was a belly
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laugh. This is ridiculous. This is never should be brought up. But to Julie Kelly's point,
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this is pretty intense questioning by some of the biggest brains on the court. Was it not,
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sir? And it kind of—I thought, how come this has never been addressed before? Mike Davis.
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So is this the same Michael Dreebend who lost nine to nothing on the Enron case with Andrew Weissman
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as the prosecutor? Is this the same Michael Dreebend who lost eight to nothing with Jack
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Smith's prosecution of former Virginia Governor Bob McDonald? Now all three of these clowns are
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together, and they're arguing before the Supreme Court. Look, they're going to lose at the Supreme
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Court. President Trump is going to win a narrow victory here. It's going to be five to four,
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maybe six to three, depending on how Justice Amy Coney Barrett rules. The Supreme Court is going to
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rule very narrowly that the president of the United States, any president of the United States, is immune
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from criminal prosecution for their official acts, not their personal acts. They're going to remand
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this case back to D.C. Obama Judge Tynas Shutkin. She's going to hold an evidentiary hearing,
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as she should have done in the first place, and she's going to decide what are official acts.
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For example, Trump was trying to fire his acting attorney general. Well, you can't do that as a
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private citizen, so that has to be part of your official acts versus something that he did in his
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personal acts. And then whatever she decides, hopefully she's not a moron again and just blanketly
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decides that there's no immunity, that decision could be appealed to the D.C. Circuit, will be
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appealed to the D.C. Circuit on an interlocutory, meaning immediate basis. If the D.C. Circuit Democrat
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hacks get that wrong again like they did last time, this could come back to the Supreme Court, right?
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And then in the meantime, as Julie Kelly's been covering masterfully, the Supreme Court's going to
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rule on the Fisher case. And the Supreme Court's almost certainly going to reverse these January 6th
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convictions for this post-Enron statute that Andrew Weissman used to go after these January 6th
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defendants. It's a corporate statute used to go after corporations that are shredding documents and
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obstructing corporate investigations. And they've weaponized this in the Justice Department to go
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after January 6th defendants. They've also weaponized it to go after Trump. Jack Smith's case,
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two of the four charges against Trump relate to this obstruction statute. The Supreme Court's
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almost certainly going to reverse. And so what is Jack Smith going to be left with with this January
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6th case against Trump? Two of the four charges are going to be gone. There's going to be presidential
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immunity. So about, I'd say, 80 percent of Jack Smith's case is going to be gone. And oh, by the way,
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he's not going to be able to try President Trump before the election. President Trump's going to win.
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His acting attorney general on day one is going to dismiss this case with prejudice,
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as he should. And then his acting attorney general will almost certainly open a criminal probe
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on President Biden. These Democrat prosecutors, these Democrat judges, these Democrat witnesses,
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these Democrat operatives, like the lawfare crew, like Andrew Weissman, who have looks like run an
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illegal criminal conspiracy to violate civil rights. And I can't wait for that. I'm going to be all in for
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that. This was this the hang of this. This was the importance of this was the importance of this
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day, because, Julie, I want to go to you. If you saw in the run up of both in the Fisher situation,
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you know, this thing about the the other charge and about this, they were belly laughing. They've
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been belly laughing. This is ridiculous. This is all about process slowing it down. Well, it don't look
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so ridiculous. Now, that was an intense that was something's going to happen here because very smart
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justice on the court said this is a huge deal that needs to be addressed. Julie Kelly about Andrew
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Weissman and that crowd that have mocked and ridiculed this, but today showed you this thing's
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very real. It's very real, real. It's very serious and a long term consequences. This is not where the
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American people want to go. And I believe it was Justice Alito or Gorsuch who talked about,
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you know, preserving our democracy and where this heads and takes us where other countries,
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their president's incoming leader tries to throw the past their predecessor in jail. That's not where
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we want to be. I want to pick up on something my friend Mike was just talking about, and that's 1512
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C2. And actually, Justice Gorsuch, as you played there, kind of hinted about what they were maybe going
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to come down with with that obstruction of an official proceeding and the definition of
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corruptly, which is one of the elements that's been debated there. But Justice Kavanaugh also brought
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up the vague, broad charges in Jack Smith's indictment. And I think it's important to emphasize
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this indictment is not charging Donald Trump with killing anyone or using SEAL Team 6 to assassinate a
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political rival or bribery or any serious crime that the American people would say, oh, well,
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if he killed someone in the Oval Office, yeah, I think he probably should be prosecuted. These are
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the most broad, vague, untested statutes that Jack Smith could come up with. He can easily convinced a
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D.C. grand jury made up of the same people who serve on regular juries, all Biden voters and supporters,
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to bring this indictment. So to Mike's point, if the Supreme Court comes back and they reverse
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in any manner, 1512 C2 obstruction, and it's somehow, and it's stripped out of Jack Smith's
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indictment, he's left with two vague conspiracy charges. Even if Chutkin comes back and says half
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of the elements in Jack Smith's indictment, especially they keep talking about the alternative electoral
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certificates that Trump was involved in trying to get. And I believe even John Sauer conceded that
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that would be considered a personal act, not an official act. Are they really going to go to trial
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and take Trump to trial in Washington, D.C. on two vague conspiracy counts for the alternative
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electoral certificate operation? I mean, that's basically the empty bag that Jack Smith would be
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left with. So both of these decisions coming from the Supreme Court, very impactful. But to your point
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too, Steve, you know, the mockery that this is some clear cut answer from the Andrew Weissmans of the
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world, Rachel Maddow, whoever, and that the Supreme Court should hurry up and come back with a decision
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on this. You know, that is not what the justices were signaling. And again, I don't think the majority of
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American people want the Supreme Court to make a quick decision on this so Jack Smith can try to
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get Donald Trump on trial before the election. Hang on for one second. We're going to hold through
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So, Mike Davis, to Julie's point, and I could tell by the long faces over at MSNBC and CNN
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today, this is for the Supreme Court part. They immediately saw the seriousness of the justices,
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the seriousness of the question, quite frankly, not great responses from their team. If Julie's
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right, this is about process. If Julie's right about the Fisher, if Julie's right about this gets
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remanded or your theory gets remanded back to Chetkin, correct me if I'm wrong, but none of the
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Jack Smith stuff comes to trial. Fonnie Willis doesn't, and Florida doesn't, and D.C. doesn't.
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None of it comes before Election Day right now. Am I incorrect on that?
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You're 100% correct, Steve. And you know what? I would say this to these Democrat prosecutors
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and these Democrat judges and Joe Biden. The Supreme Court is clearly onto your game. They saw that
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with the Colorado disqualification case. It was a nine to nothing case. It was so bad that the three
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liberal justices cut bait. The Supreme Court justices are onto the Biden's Democrats game with
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these obstruction charges against the January 6th defendants and President Trump that Julie Kelly
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has covered so well. The Supreme Court is onto their game. You heard it in the oral argument today
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that chief justice is onto their game. Justice Kavanaugh is onto their game. There are at least
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five votes for presidential immunity, and Justice Barrett will be somewhere in there. So the Supreme
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Court is definitely onto their game. The Supreme Court is not going to let these Democrat operatives
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decide the next presidential election. They're going to let the American people decide the election on
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November 5th, 2024, not these Democrat judges and Democrat prosecutors and Democrat witnesses and
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Democrat operatives and Democrat jurors and these Democrat hellholes of New York, D.C., and Atlanta.
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Nice try, Joe Biden. It's not going to work. It's going to backfire. Trump is going to be back in
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the White House. You and Julie Kelly are heroes because you've said this now. Julie's been grinding
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four years on this. You've been grinding two, two and a half or three. Today was historic, and Mike
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Davis is absolutely correct. The Supreme Court, I think, has basically said we've had enough of this
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nonsense. Now, Julie Kelly, you haven't had a chance to look at this afternoon. Jim Jordan's
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Judiciary Committee did release an interim report. I think it's 300 pages long. It's about
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specifically focused, I think, in New York. Just give me a minute or two on what you found out in
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South Florida because I agree with Mike. This is the time now to go on offense. This is a criminal
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conspiracy. It was rubbed in our face last night in Arizona. If we do not go on offense and shut this
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down, and as Mike Davis said, begin to, you know, go on offense now and then have criminal charges
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brought on people later, we're not going to have a country. This is republic ending. Just give the
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audience, because no one still reached out to you, but we're going to make sure that happens. Give us a
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summary in all this debacle of probably the worst and the nastiest and the ugliest of the most
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tightly, you can show the collusion is in Florida, is in this, the classified documents case, ma'am.
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And I did hear from one congressman's office today. So that was encouraging. They want information
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and they want the motions. So that's good news. So thank you, Steve, for putting your pressure on
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there. I really hope, Mike Davis, as the interim attorney general, that people are going to already
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be preparing legitimate conspiracy to defraud the United States and other conspiracy charges
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against people in the Biden White House, the National Archives, Department of Justice,
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the intelligence community, certainly the general counsel's office of the White House,
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for working behind the scenes once again, to concoct and manufacture to entrap Donald Trump
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into some sort of records or document criminal prosecution, which is exactly what happened here,
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to circumvent the laws related to the Presidential Records Act, which requires the archives to notify
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the record holder if a government agency is seeking documents. We now have proof that Jonathan
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Hsu, who is in the general counsel's office for Joe Biden, was working with the general counsel for
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NARA, to try to circumvent, successfully circumvent that automatic triggering of notifying Donald Trump
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that they wanted records and notes about how Donald Trump handled these documents when he was president
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and after. This is a real, legitimate criminal conspiracy, abuse of power, prosecutorial, grand jury
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abuse that also has been detailed. So I certainly hope that members of Congress and incoming AG, Mike Davis
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and others, they need to be ahead of the game. And as soon as Donald Trump takes office, be ready to turn the
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tables and indict those who really conspire to defraud the American people into believing that Donald Trump
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is a criminal, threatened our national security by taking national defense information, moving it around and
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trying to hide it in an investigation. That is all a bunch of lies.
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Julie, Kelly, fantastic job today, as every day. Where do people go to get all your content, social media and your
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So Substack Declassified with Julie Kelly, also write for Real Clear Investigations. I'm on Twitter,
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Julie underscore Kelly, too. And if you have a second, I could say one more encouraging thing about the Supreme Court.
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No, no, no. We'll take all the good news we can get.
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A little overlooked thing, and Mike, I would like for his comment on that. A J6R convicted by Judge
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Chutkin in her courtroom, by the way, of four misdemeanors, appealed his conviction. Of course,
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the appellate court upheld that. He filed a petition for writ of cert in the Supreme Court to review his case.
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Elizabeth Proligar, the U.S. Solicitor General, told the court, well, we're not going to reply to this unless we're asked to.
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And two days ago, the Supreme Court came back and said, no, you're going to reply. We want your response to this petition.
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For two common misdemeanors, there is a possibility that the Supreme Court could hear that as well,
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taking up and perhaps signaling that the Supreme Court, like Mike said, is sick and tired of these
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prosecutors, DOJ, and these judges abusing their power to proceed with political prosecution. So
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Julie Kelly, great work. Hero and patriot. Thank you, ma'am.
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Mike Davis, have we broken the fever? As the Supreme Court broken, as Gorsuch and Alito and some of the
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biggest brains up there and in the legal community throughout the country, have we broken the fever
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Yeah, I mean, when you saw Dreebhan getting very, very tough questions from the Chief Justice of the
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United States, John Roberts, who's a good guy, but not red-pilled, not a Trump cheerleader,
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you know that the Democrats have gone too far. The Supreme Court is clearly onto their game.
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Like Julie just said, they're forcing the Biden Justice Department to respond to the
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serp petition by that other January 6th defendant. They are certainly onto their game, and the House
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of Cards for this Biden-Democrat lawfare is going to crumble.
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Mike, this also raises the stakes for 5 November, and let me tell you why. You're going to hear in
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the media, because they had long faces today. They were getting beat up. They're going to
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immediately pivot that the court's losing its credibility. You're going to go through this
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whole thing. You head after Dobbs. And what they're going to do, and we got to get Mike Lee back on
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here. I'm telling my producer, this is all about packing the court. If they are able to steal this
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and defeat Trump, the number one target they're going to have is the Supreme Court, because now
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it's quite obvious. The Supreme Court holds the republic really in its hands, and they know that.
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And these people are vicious, as you can see from this criminal conspiracy they've done so far.
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They will have a criminal conspiracy against the Supreme Court to basically pack the court,
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to dilute the judges, the justices that are on there. Your thoughts?
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There's no question about that. The Supreme Court, as we've been talking about for several years now,
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Steve, is the last line of defense, the last line of defense that protects our God-given rights to
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speak, to associate, to worship, to protect ourselves. These Democrats see this constitutionalist
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Supreme Court as their last obstacle, and they will destroy the Supreme Court if they win back
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the White House. That's why I keep saying this is a make-or-break election for our country. And I
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want to tell conservatives and independents and other right-thinking Democrats, vote as early as
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possible. Because if you think the BLM and Antifa riots in 2020 are bad, wait for the Hamas riots in
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2024. They may make it where you cannot show up and vote on Election Day because they want to scare
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the hell out of Trump supporters and conservatives who want to show up and wait till Election Day.
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Do not do that. Show up and vote early, as early as possible.
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Mike Davis, where do people go to Article 3? Where do people go on your social media,
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M-R-D-D-M-I-A. M-R-D-D-M-I-A. And one final thing, Steve, Andrew Weissman, you better lawyer up,
00:27:00.820
Yeah, Andrew Weissman, preserve your documents, bro, because we're coming specifically for you.
00:27:07.620
Mike, it's a pretty good day for an Irishman. You start off in front of the Supreme Court,
00:27:11.200
laying out this monumental case, which you've been so
00:27:13.340
involved in actually making sure it got there. And at the same time, you punch out
00:27:18.060
a mouthy, a mouthy, a mouthy protester. And then you come back today with what happened.
00:27:24.680
The Supreme Court was fantastic. So it can't get better.
00:27:27.280
The interim attorney general for President Trump, Mike Davis.
00:27:36.500
Ben Berkwam. We got Ben. Can I get Ben up for Ben?
00:27:39.340
Ben, 30 seconds here. The cross on Pecker started. Give me 30 seconds on it. Hold through
00:27:44.900
the break. I know you got to get to the airport, but tell us about David Pecker.
00:27:48.800
Yeah, I'm actually at the airport, Steve. But yes, David Pecker, clearly cross-examination
00:27:53.260
shows that, in my opinion, he was coached through this entire thing. I thought about this on the
00:27:59.580
first couple days of the court case. I thought, who has this great of memory when he's giving exact
00:28:04.600
dates from five, six, seven, ten years ago? On cross-examination, he can barely remember
00:28:09.580
things from two months ago. So clearly, he's been coached. This entire case is an absolute sham.
00:28:16.360
He is a prosecutor witness. Okay. Stick around. We'll get Berkwam. Maybe we get Seb,
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Okay. Burkwam's en route to Romania. We're going to get him back in a second. Grant Stinchfield's got
00:30:44.060
an incredible analysis. Harvey Weinstein's case was overturned at the New York appellate level,
00:30:49.960
but there may be some issues dealing with President Trump and what's happened there,
00:30:54.100
because people all of a sudden said that this is going to get appealed, whatever happens.
00:30:57.340
We've got a lot going on, but I want to start with Eli Crane. So Eli,
00:31:02.440
this guy that announced, a McCarthy guy announced he was going to run against you. And what upset our
00:31:07.500
audience so much, and quite frankly me, you know, I don't mind if guys, primary guys, you know,
00:31:11.620
it's a democracy. People should get up there and debate issues. But they launched on something that
00:31:15.920
was very, it was treating MAGA, and particularly your district is hardcore MAGA, treating MAGA like
00:31:22.760
they're idiots. They took the votes that you did to try to stop everything and the minibuses,
00:31:28.020
and they used those as, oh, Eli Crane's soft on border security. Eli Crane's an open borders guy.
00:31:34.040
It was so redonkulous. We had to blow this guy up on the very first day. And then yesterday afternoon,
00:31:40.700
President Trump formally endorsed you for your return to Congress. Give us your thoughts, sir.
00:31:46.940
Well, yeah, thanks for having me on, Steve. You nailed it. That's what the Uniparty does.
00:31:51.840
There's a reason that they've had a stranglehold on power in Washington, D.C. for a long time.
00:31:58.280
They may be evil, but they're not stupid. This is how they trick uninformed voters and people that
00:32:06.360
don't really make the time to pay attention with those massive, you know, 1,000-plus page omnibus,
00:32:13.160
minibus bills where it's 950 pages of crap and then, you know, 50 pages of infrastructure.
00:32:21.220
You know, border, you know, and some other things that many of us would vote for. But you got to
00:32:27.060
vote for 95, you know, 950 pages of special interests, lobbying, groups, kickbacks, earmarks,
00:32:34.760
et cetera. And some of us have been sent up to Washington to try and stop how Washington works.
00:32:40.620
And so you have to take these hard votes and tell people, no, we're not doing this anymore.
00:32:45.240
You're selling out the American people. You're selling out the future of our kids. And we're
00:32:50.380
not going to keep funding these foreign wars. We're not going to keep funding, you know,
00:32:55.020
foreign countries, border security and not our own. And so I will take the tough vote. And I am going
00:33:00.940
to challenge my voters and the voters of the country to pay attention because this is how they're able to
00:33:06.500
gaslight you. This is how they're able to run those little 30-second radio and television ads,
00:33:12.680
you know, telling you that, you know, Bob Good or Chip Roy or Eli Crane or Andy Biggs aren't strong
00:33:18.440
on the border, hoping that you won't pay attention and you'll just believe the little spot. So I
00:33:23.760
appreciate President Trump, you know, facing over 700 years in prison, taking the time to be a leader
00:33:30.540
and to make sure that guys like myself get his endorsement so the people of my district know where
00:33:36.280
he stands so I have a better chance of coming back and continuing a fight that is far from finished.
00:33:42.680
Eli, also this, they've indicted 17, you know, some of President Trump's closest advisors plus
00:33:51.160
these 11 great patriots out there with this fake attorney general who's got 208,
00:33:56.480
she leads by 208 votes with 9,000 votes still not counted for Abe Hamaday. What's your assessment?
00:34:02.620
This is lawfare up in your face. I think they see they're losing these other cases.
00:34:06.400
This is just another piece of law for just over 100 days from the primary in Arizona. Your thoughts,
00:34:14.240
Yeah, well, obviously, you're right. You know, this is just like Jack Smith, but at the state level,
00:34:19.880
you know, they know that they can't win on the agenda and by, you know, getting the people on
00:34:27.740
their side. So this is what they do. They take anybody that stands up against them,
00:34:33.980
stands up against them, and they try and destroy them. And so I talked to two of the members. I
00:34:41.520
talked to Tyler Boyer, and I talked to Jake Hoffman. They're both in good spirits. You know,
00:34:47.500
they're both confident that they're going to win this and they're going to be vindicated in a court of
00:34:52.660
law. But, you know, we definitely need to be there, support them, and we need to have their back.
00:34:58.060
And, you know, let's pray for them as well, because they are up against evil. They did nothing wrong.
00:35:05.440
They were fighting for this country. And I surely stand with them. And I know you do too, Steve.
00:35:13.140
Eli, what is your social media and website? Where can people find more about you?
00:35:18.220
My loss, Eli, Cran. That's okay. We'll put the social media up. Do we have Burkwam? Ben Burkwam,
00:35:29.080
give me a minute on, you're going to Romania. We're going to be dialed into you when you get there.
00:35:33.520
Captain Bannon's going to be with us from Hungary tomorrow. You're going to Romania. Why are you going
00:35:37.020
to Romania? It is the Make Europe Great Again event. And as America is falling to the radical left,
00:35:44.760
the godless communist left. The same thing is happening in Europe. It's the same enemies.
00:35:48.680
People need to understand that. And one thing I haven't mentioned, I don't know if you've mentioned
00:35:51.960
it, Steve, and I'll always let Eli Crane go. God bless Eli Crane. He is an amazing man. But one
00:35:58.340
thing I haven't mentioned yet, think about the timing of this. The timing of this trial actually
00:36:03.280
began on Passover for President Trump. The fact that that began when the blood of the lamb was posted
00:36:09.280
over the tops of the doorposts to protect the children of God. And you think about what's
00:36:14.880
happening with the attacks on Israel, with the attacks on the Jewish state, but also with the
00:36:19.080
attacks on America, American sovereignty, and on President Trump. And I just pray that blood of
00:36:23.260
the lamb over President Trump, his family, over you, sir, over our entire audience, over Israel,
00:36:29.220
and over the nations of this world whose God is the Lord. And that's what we're up against. This battle
00:36:33.760
is good versus evil. And we are standing on the side of light. It's time to shine that light.
00:36:39.360
I'm heading to Europe to do a little bit of that. And I'll be back Monday. I'll be back in the court
00:36:42.840
Tuesday. Ben, we're going to get you over the weekend. We'll get you on the Saturday show.
00:36:48.160
Thank you very much. Great reporting. By the way, USC's announced, University of Southern
00:36:52.400
California's announced they've canceled graduation. No onstage graduation. They may hand out diplomas
00:36:58.500
because of this revolt by Sharia supremacists. Ben Berquan, thank you so much.
00:37:03.760
Two things. We've got Grant Stinchfield that has the eight o'clock show on our channel.
00:37:12.580
Grant, I had you on here for this amazing piece you wrote, but you've got breaking news about this
00:37:17.280
Harvey Weinstein. Explain me, Harvey Weinstein, an appellate court overturned his conviction
00:37:22.020
in a regular court in New York, just like President Trump's in court right now. And people
00:37:28.880
are saying his thing's going to be appealed. But you've got an interesting analysis of some of
00:37:33.720
the stuff around Harvey Weinstein and how it may play into President Trump's trial. What is it?
00:37:38.600
Yeah. You know, Steve, I don't think anybody actually reads the decisions in these. They
00:37:43.560
just freak out that Harvey Weinstein's rape case is thrown out in New York. He'll be retried. And
00:37:49.120
the justices in the highest court in New York said he'll probably be convicted. But you can't convict a
00:37:54.840
man on his prior, quote, bad acts. This is what the justices said that the court judges on prior bad
00:38:04.780
acts. That doesn't mean criminal. What are they doing to President Trump here? They're trying to
00:38:09.680
use prior. Hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on. Hang on. In Harvey Weinstein, they're not arguing
00:38:17.200
about what the what the attorney what the prosecutors brought up about what his rape was,
00:38:22.060
what they're saying in the trials. They added all this other stuff that he wasn't indicted for
00:38:26.380
and all these other bad acts. And they're saying, in fact, that I think the appellate court said
00:38:30.620
he should be retried and he'll probably be found guilty. But because you did this,
00:38:35.200
you've got to at least go give him another trial, essentially. Correct?
00:38:38.020
Yes. So they brought the judge allowed witnesses to come on and talk about all of Harvey Weinstein's
00:38:44.040
quote, bad acts that had nothing to do with the case that he was on trial for. So let me read to
00:38:49.980
you a piece of the decision here. It says it is an abuse of judicial discretion to permit untested
00:38:56.340
allegations of nothing more than bad behavior that destroys a defendant's character, but sheds no light
00:39:03.480
on their credibility as related to the criminal charges lodged against them. Well, I can think
00:39:10.000
of no other example of this is this David Pecker. David Pecker right now has nothing to do with a
00:39:16.080
records case. Steve, it's not about Stormy Daniels and the media. What? They make me so mad with this
00:39:21.920
hush money nonsense. It's not a hush money case. There's nothing illegal about paying someone not to
00:39:28.080
talk. They're saying it's a records case that you can't write legal expenses to cover
00:39:33.440
up a campaign expense. Well, you bring in a guy like David Pecker to show how President Trump was
00:39:39.640
trying to look for bad stories early on and all of these things that maybe everyday people might
00:39:44.440
think is bad, but it has nothing to do with the underlying case. And my suspicion is, Steve,
00:39:50.160
every witness the prosecution is going to bring against President Trump is going to have to do with
00:39:55.380
all of President Trump's so-called prior bad acts that have nothing to do with the case.
00:40:00.120
I think this high court in New York teed up for Alvin Bragg, a slap on the, it should be more than a
00:40:07.000
slap on the wrist, but throwing out all of his witnesses. If I was the Trump attorneys, I'd be
00:40:11.360
bringing this decision saying every one of these witnesses should not be allowed to testify.
00:40:17.900
My belief, and I think it's yours too, is the whole Pecker thing is just to get in. This is a
00:40:22.380
bookkeeping deal, right? At best, it's a commercial bookkeeping deal. All they want to do though is have
00:40:27.600
Sturmy Daniels come up there, you know, with a calico, you know, pinned up to her throat,
00:40:32.760
looking like the Virgin, you know, trying to act like the Virgin Mary. And she's going to say,
00:40:37.220
because she's already said he did this without consent. She wants to get that whole thing in
00:40:40.800
there. You got the Miss December or the Playmate Bunny, whatever she is to do that whole thing.
00:40:46.560
And then they're going to read into the transcripts. They've already got permission from the judge,
00:40:50.420
the Billy Bush. All this is, is to smear President Trump, particularly in, in, in the women vote,
00:40:56.520
in, in college educated women, et cetera. This is all, all those witnesses have nothing to do with
00:41:02.120
a commercial bookkeeping debate of whether it was a misdemeanor, where they should have done it,
00:41:07.600
where it should have been expected, whatever. Cause I can't still, we're following this closely.
00:41:11.540
I can't, I can't find out where the crime is. I don't know what crime they're talking about.
00:41:16.780
And they didn't really make it specific on the opening arguments. It was so confusing of the way,
00:41:21.080
and they had to have Colangelo from the justice department there to make their case. Your,
00:41:26.300
your thoughts, sir. So I know that Stormy Daniels is going to come up, but as you mentioned,
00:41:31.780
it's not a case about what Stormy Daniels did, what president Trump and her did or didn't do.
00:41:36.400
That's not the case. Did he write legal expenses to cover up a quote campaign expense? Well,
00:41:42.420
if the feds say there's no crime here, we're not prosecuting this. How do you cover up a crime
00:41:47.860
that someone says wasn't a crime? That's what the whole case is based off of. It's literally
00:41:52.340
ridiculous. And as you said, it's designed to smear president Trump, but all of these witnesses,
00:41:57.500
including Stormy Daniels, if she talks about an affair with him, that has nothing to do with the
00:42:02.060
case at hand. According to this high court, that should not play any role in this case. And she should
00:42:07.020
not be allowed to testify over those things. That's my interpretation of the, uh, Harvey Weinstein
00:42:12.620
judgment. And, and, and I think you're right about Weinstein. The media is melting down,
00:42:17.380
but they're not saying Harvey Weinstein is not going to be retried. He's not going to be let
00:42:20.540
out of prison. He's got charges in California, I think, but they're going to, they've already
00:42:24.220
said they're going to retry this. Let's go to the, you had a magnificent article.
00:42:27.380
He's in an LA jail now. Steve, just, just to, just to tell you, he's in an LA jail now serving 16
00:42:32.100
years on those crimes. Harvey Weinstein's not getting out of prison and he'll be retried again
00:42:35.980
and he'll be convicted there too. Cause the guy's a dirt bag. Sorry.
00:42:40.260
Hey, uh, this article in Gateway Pundit, uh, talk to me about it. It grabbed me by the throat
00:42:45.880
yesterday. Cause you talked about one of the most powerful guys that was in the government,
00:42:48.840
uh, before he, he resigned because of, uh, the Wuhan lab and COVID that's Dr. Collins at NIH.
00:42:55.720
What did you find out about Dr. Collins? Yeah. You know, this is really amazing. And I want to
00:43:00.240
give the credit to Dr. James Thorpe and his wife, Maggie, who've been great on exposing the fraud,
00:43:05.180
uh, as to the reaction of the federal government to the COVID-19 virus. Um, when you start to go back
00:43:11.080
and look at videos, Dr. Francis Collins, who was the director of NIH at the time was actively going
00:43:17.400
in front of faith leaders and he was using terminology like God answered my prayers.
00:43:23.160
Uh, this vaccine is sacred, uh, using biblical passages that said, uh, Jesus extending his arm
00:43:30.400
is basically giving people the shot. This is the kind of thing that he did. And he went to these faith
00:43:35.840
leaders specifically to dupe them into pushing the idea of getting the vaccine onto their flock.
00:43:41.740
And in many cases it worked. And Dr. James Thorpe had found this. Then I went back and I found
00:43:48.220
more examples on video, which you can watch on the podcast. Just go to grantstinchfield.com
00:43:52.680
and these examples, it's so devious, Steve, it's deceitful. And I believe Francis Collins,
00:44:00.680
Fauci and the rest of them knew that this was untested at the very least dangerous at worst
00:44:07.500
back at the time. And you know, these are two guys that look like kind little old grandpas,
00:44:13.420
right? Francis Collins and Fauci. This is the devil incarnate, man. I'm telling you what these
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Okay, folks, this is going on offense day. You see that that that Jordan's committee has released
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00:46:01.520
this. You heard Mike Davis. We're going on offense here. Also about Fauci, Wuhan, the mandates,
00:46:10.100
the vaccine, all of it. We're going on offense there, too. Collins is a major. Fauci's a grundune compared to Collins.
00:46:17.220
Collins is one that we are doing the transition. We're told one of the most powerful individuals in the entire U.S. government.
00:46:22.920
Okay. And you couldn't remove him because he's got in every congressional district. He's doling out money.
00:46:27.940
What Grant Stinchfield found is going to be a key element. Grant, don't you believe that we have to, just like
00:46:35.060
we're going to do on the judicial side and DOJ, we have to hold these people accountable. This is going to be
00:46:39.920
a massive criminal conspiracy against these guys. We're going to bring in all the pieces. And your story
00:46:44.900
and what the Thorps did with the video is going to be a major part of that.
00:46:48.800
I'll tell you what, Francis Collins recruiting faith leaders by tricking them into thinking that this
00:46:55.920
vaccine was a good idea is so deceitful, Steve. And this is why I love your program, because it's
00:47:01.040
about throwing punches back at a time when we were taking punches in the face for two years during this
00:47:05.900
lockdown. And so now someone has to be held to account. Maggie Thorpe, Dr. James Thorpe, they found
00:47:12.760
proof that Francis Collins was going from faith leader to faith leader on podcasts where
00:47:18.640
those who love Jesus and religion were listening to these podcasts and he was pushing bogus nonsense
00:47:25.340
about how God wanted this and his prayers were answered. And it's a sacred deal that the vaccine
00:47:32.320
was finally here and it would save so many lives. This is a story, I think, that just shows you how
00:47:38.520
low they were willing to go to push this on the American people. And I'm with you. Somebody needs to
00:47:43.280
account for this. You've got a lot of vaccine injuries. You've got deaths out of this. And who knows what
00:47:48.280
else is to come? We're only a few years into this. Who knows what's going to come after this horrible
00:47:55.840
Grant, how do people get to the radio show, your show here in Real America's Voice, all your writing
00:48:00.140
and this piece you did in Gateway Pundit? It's amazing. We're already pushing you out hard. Where
00:48:05.480
All right. So real easy. I do morning drive in Los Angeles, AM 870. You can tune into that
00:48:10.460
anywhere. And this program with you, Steve, I'm so happy to partner with Real America's Voice,
00:48:15.620
7 p.m. Eastern time, Monday through Friday, right here on Real America's Voice. I urge people to
00:48:20.300
tune in. We pick up where Steve and John Solomon left off and go on offense. And then, of course,
00:48:25.500
my podcast, GrantStinchfield.com, GrantStinchfield.com. And the Gateway Pundit has this story up too,
00:48:30.900
Steve. So lots of places to get me. Easy to find.
00:48:35.780
By the way, morning drive in L.A. That is dog eat dog. That's a Darwinian environment.
00:48:41.680
You know what, though, Steve? The greatest conservatives out there. They really have
00:48:45.660
great conservatives in L.A. You'd be surprised.
00:48:48.360
Big, big, big, big MAGA. Grant, thank you so much. Keep fighting the good fight.
00:48:55.680
Six o'clock, we're going to be on fire. You got to stick around for the six o'clock show.
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Very special night. We're throwing punches the entire time. We're going on offense.
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Mike Lindell. Mike Lindell, you never take a day off.
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But I've got to tell you, when I see you down at Mar-a-Lago, I don't know, man.
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It looks so nice down there. And I know you're speaking at – you're taking meetings
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and you're seeing the president's people and you're speaking at all these fancy-schmancy gatherings
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that got down there. But, man, does it look relaxing down there at beautiful Mar-a-Lago, sir.
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Well, it is beautiful. And I think this little piece right here, Steve, is worth about $18 million.
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And as I look over the rest of the place, it's just amazing.
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And it is so peaceful here and just a great feeling.
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I got about, I don't know, 500 people or so waiting in there on the keynote speaker tonight for these events.
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And I said, I got to get out here. I got to talk to the War Room Posse first.
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So we're talking about the – our pillows we're giving out, the Revival, the flags, the American flag.
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You see the great flag behind me that we love our flag.
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And you get one free for every purchase at the War Room Posse, everybody.
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The USA Revival and the Roll and Go Anywhere Pillow.
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You get – go to the website, you guys, and get all these – get any item.
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And then we'll send you one of these Revival pillows.
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But everybody's been getting on the MyPillow Premium, the bed pillows, $25, everybody.
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They said – my employees actually said a lot of them said, will you tell you guys thanks?
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Any purchase, you guys – we got the socks came in.
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We've got all this USA made stuff at mystore.com.
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Those guys, they appreciate everything you do, too.
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They're all right here in the U.S. working from home.
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You know, Stinchford and I were just talking in the break about the Jackie Torporo story about the flags.
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And one of the things that upset me was the Minnesota flag, the five-star American star.
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You see in the background, when Donald Trump bought – when he bought Mar-a-Lago, he immediately put up – it didn't have – he put up a huge flagpole and won the biggest flags, I think, at that time, the state of Florida.
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The city of Palm Beach, I think, tried to take it down, said you can't do it.
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And Donald Trump goes, hey, this is the United States of America.
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But that has that five-tip star just like your pillow does.
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And this eight-point star, this Islamic star, not going to hack it, not going to hack it, right?
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Criticizing Islam, but we're not taking the – you guys in Minnesota got to get on that, man.
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I'll tell you, Steve, that great flag back here, the story behind that is they said it couldn't be so far from the ground.
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So our great real president, he added more ground to it.
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You can look it up online, one of the greatest stories.
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Lindell's in Mar-a-Lago to talk about election security.
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He's going to be with us tomorrow morning from Mar-a-Lago.
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Sam Faddis is going to join us about the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, what the Patriots are doing there to secure the election.
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