00:13:00.080But here in 24, of course, they first tried to keep President Trump off the ballot.
00:13:04.800Thankfully, the Supreme Court put an end to that.
00:13:07.100Now they're trying to weigh him down by keeping him off the campaign trail,
00:13:11.680trying to strain or drain his resources.
00:13:14.300Ideally, they'd like to put him in jail if they can get a crooked court in Georgia or New York or Florida or Washington
00:13:21.760to convict him of something and to take him off the campaign trail by putting him in jail.
00:13:26.960He'll ultimately be cleared of all these false, ridiculous charges.
00:13:31.020But it may take appeal to do that with these crooked courts.
00:13:34.360He's certainly not getting a fair shake at this point.
00:13:36.380And this judge, as you know, to be the one whose daughter is raising tens of millions of dollars for the Democrat Party off this very trial.
00:13:44.660So it was a privilege to have his back.
00:13:46.260I was thankful that my House Freedom Caucus colleagues came and stood up for the president and said what he's not able to say.
00:13:53.380We'd like to hold you through break and go to break in a second.
00:14:18.960Also want to address, and maybe we play briefly when we come back, Rachel Maddow, going specifically after you and some of your colleagues.
00:14:26.300You're one of the most powerful members of Congress, being the head of the House Freedom Caucus, which I think people recognize as the most powerful caucus in all the Congress.
00:14:36.300Bob Goode from Virginia 5 on the other side.
00:16:47.400But when instead you've got a political party saying the American legal system should be gotten rid of because it's corrupt and the people involved in it are corrupt and bad and evil and persecuting you and me, that is something totally different.
00:17:04.280That is corrosive to the legal system at a minimum and potentially fundamentally destructive to it if that's going to become the new platform on which the Republican Party makes the case to the American people that they should be put back in full power.
00:17:22.280He's chairman of the very powerful House Freedom Caucus, arguably the most powerful caucus in all of Congress and clearly in the Republican Party as they set the agenda for MAGA.
00:17:32.360Congressman Good, your response to Rachel Maddow, I think she twists, I've never heard you say our system as a system is not the problem.
00:17:42.220It is the corrupt people and particularly radical Democrats that are the problem.
00:17:45.480Your thoughts, she criticizes you, quite frankly, specifically for leading that contingent that went up to defend President Trump yesterday, sir.
00:17:53.640Well, a lot of people in my district are really concerned about what Rachel Maddow has to say.
00:17:57.700I can tell you I get asked a lot about Rachel Maddow.
00:18:01.580But, you know, she's she's right in the sense that the danger of this, but not the way that she means.
00:18:06.720And I think she forgot Clinton Biden on her list of individuals who are corrupt and who who have abused power and ought to be held accountable.
00:18:15.160Certainly Joe Biden and his family, the most corrupt presidential family in the history of the country.
00:18:21.240And obviously he should be held accountable for that.
00:18:23.520But perhaps among the greatest harms that the administration has done to the country in these last three and a half years is the loss of faith and trust in once sacred institutions.
00:18:33.880Our judicial system, our judicial system, our system of justice in this country, our federal law enforcement.
00:18:39.200And it demonstrates the harm that's done to the country when you elect people, Joe Biden, at least, or to allegedly elect people who will abuse their power.
00:18:50.760They're colluding with big tech to suppress free speech and freedom of expression and sharing of information to suppress political opponents, to use the full power of the federal law enforcement to go after pro-life protesters and concerned parents who show up at school board meetings.
00:19:07.260And those who are exercising their second amendment rights to go after political opponents, to try to put them in jail, like we've talked about, the great harm that's being done that threatens our very existence as a constitutional republic.
00:19:20.400Does anyone think we could survive four and a half more years of this?
00:19:56.560The American people aren't going to stand for it.
00:19:58.140But that's why we needed to go to New York City and have his back and to stand up for him and every Republican ought to be doing that.
00:20:04.440Are we hurtling towards a constitutional crisis?
00:20:06.280Two committees marked up contempt charges on Garland yesterday for trying to protect Biden and the executive privilege.
00:20:16.080Are we hurtling towards a constitutional crisis during the next week or two?
00:20:19.600Well, it is incredible, Steve, that Garland has asserted basically that he doesn't think that his department should be accountable to Congress.
00:20:27.220You know, we're not three co-equal branches of government.
00:20:37.840It's the people's representatives that are supposed to be the most powerful.
00:20:40.580We're the only ones that are directly accountable to the people, particularly the House of Representatives.
00:20:45.700And so, yes, we're the only ones who can hold accountable, bring transparency, bring consequence.
00:20:51.600We can do it through the power of the purse.
00:20:53.540We've not shown a willingness to do that, sadly.
00:20:55.440And unfortunately, I will acknowledge not all Republicans have been willing to do that.
00:20:59.000We also can do it through the hearings.
00:21:00.540And that's why I'm glad that judiciary and oversight are going after Garland for his unwillingness to turn over the audio tapes of Joe Biden.
00:21:08.320He doesn't want the American people to see this sympathetic elderly man who has a poor memory.
00:21:13.760But so, yes, we may be facing that kind of a constitutional crisis, to your question.
00:21:20.720Congressman Good, where do people go for your site to find out more about you, social media, all of it?
00:21:26.720At Rep Bob Good, good.house.gov, and bobgoodforcongress.com.
00:21:31.540I know you take this very seriously, coming from the part of the Commonwealth of Virginia, God's country, where both James Madison and Thomas Jefferson came from.
00:21:41.180So thank you very much, sir, for doing this.
00:21:42.820And thanks for your leadership yesterday.
00:21:50.140I think we've got a cold open for Jeff Clark, who was also up in New York City yesterday.
00:21:54.400Let's play the cold open and bring Jeff in.
00:21:55.860They rose in court, reserved for Trump's guests, who were so bloated with members of the Pick Me Caucus, elected Republicans transparently and vainly seeking Trump's recognition and praise,
00:22:09.340that one of his advisors reportedly asked some of them to sit in the back of the room.
00:22:14.360The only thing more humiliating than that is the fact that in attending court today, those Republicans, either wittingly or unwittingly, sacrificed their House majority for the day.
00:22:24.120That body's oversight committee had to reschedule a hearing this morning on contempt charges for Attorney General Merrick Garland, likely because so many Republicans were at Trump's trial.
00:22:34.660Just one political stunt running up against another political stunt.
00:22:38.760And again, like a bad sitcom, there were weird crossovers from other Trump trials.
00:22:44.040Our producer in the room today noticed right away that Jeffrey Clark, yes, that Jeffrey Clark of oil spill fame, an architect of the fake electors plot.
00:22:55.920Jeffrey Clark on the short list to be the next Attorney General, also Nicole Wallace.
00:23:18.180Well, look, what Rachel Maddow and Nicole Wallace will do is they'll try to portray members of Congress going up to support President Trump and others going up to support President Trump as some kind of nefarious activity, the likes of which has never been seen before.
00:23:33.300But I was struck by the fact that while they tried to talk about the quote unquote public attending the trial, the the actual courtroom was filled by far with more leftist figures from the so-called mainstream media than anybody else.
00:23:47.280You know, there was or or practitioners of journal lawfare, people like Norm Eisen were there.
00:23:58.940It was a veritable who's who of folks on the left who are constantly attacking President Trump.
00:24:04.640They were occupying most of the seats.
00:24:06.540So from that perspective alone, right, what's the problem with one of our with a group of our elected officials attending the trial to observe what's happening, particularly because it is a clear attempt to interfere in the 2024 presidential election.
00:24:22.520And those members of Congress have an interest in oversight, even of what happens in the states.
00:24:28.520And we know that Alvin Bragg is resisting efforts to see himself be, you know, called to account and having to account for his actions in Congress.
00:24:37.400So it's a totally legitimate function being exercised by these members of Congress.
00:24:42.120And yet the the the Nicole Wallace's of the world try to portray it as if, you know, it's some kind of dagger at the republic.
00:24:49.500Are we hurtling towards a constitutional crisis is what happened yesterday backing capital?
00:24:54.420I mean, you've got all of this in New York, the lawfare, you've seen a great amount of these people are now on meltdown.
00:25:00.080Once again, we're the bad guys, right, because we're challenging this corruption and want to reform this corruption.
00:25:07.020What happened between the White House yesterday, executive privilege?
00:25:09.780Are we hurtling towards a constitutional crisis here?
00:25:13.280Look, Steve, I think, you know, we may well be.
00:25:16.400And, you know, my takeaway from what happened yesterday is, you know, they want to have their cake and eat it, too.
00:25:22.520So, you know, I think they may have even ginned up the documents case against President Trump, recognizing that they had a problem once they discovered that Biden, back when he was a senator and a vice president, so had no stop, full stop, full stop.
00:25:40.160It's been my point from the beginning.
00:25:41.400I want to hit rewind because you're a great legal scholar and great legal mind.
00:25:45.520I'm not. I think it's becoming clear now, particularly they're going to the mattresses about these tapes and they're going to the mattress about Biden's participation in documents.
00:25:58.060And I've said from that, even the timing of all this looks strange.
00:26:02.540Do you agree with me that there's something just there's something odd about this, something weird about this and why they're thrown down so hard on this Biden situation?
00:26:10.420Absolutely. Look, and, you know, I'd been on your program early on in the Biden document scandal about the Biden Pen Center, the suspicions, their activity.
00:26:22.200You know, Kathy Chung and the fact that she got lawyered up with, you know, lawyers who are, you know, at the highest tiers of the profession, you know, and white collar practitioners in D.C.
00:26:33.000It's very suspicious. So what I was going to say about about that is that, you know, Biden didn't have any ability to keep those documents.
00:26:42.820We have him on tape saying to his biographer, hey, I found the classified documents in my garage.
00:26:49.400Right. So and then, you know, later we have her saying, well, you know, he's a kindly old man.
00:26:57.440You know, he might have a poor memory, et cetera.
00:26:59.960That's not the right time period. The right time period for assessing his conduct is at the time when he was actually taking the documents, first and foremost.
00:27:08.760And then second, using them to make eight million dollars for a book advance with his biographer.
00:27:14.900So what I was going to say in terms of the cake and eat it, too, point is when they set up Robert Herr, right, they tell us, oh, he's oh so independent.
00:27:26.420You know, he can totally go off and do what he wants.
00:27:28.600So then if that's true, right, if he's somehow, you know, not part of the executive branch of the government in some way, in however limited a fashion, and he does interviews of Biden, then why can't Congress get access to those precisely on the theory that there couldn't be any executive privilege if they're talking to someone who executive privilege doesn't cover?
00:27:50.260But what they're going to say, Steve, is they're going to set it up as a fight between the Biden White House and Congress.
00:27:56.580And they're going to just imagine that Robert Herr dropped off the face of the earth.
00:28:00.940Exactly. Hang on for one second, Jeff. Just want to hold you through the break.
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00:30:24.300Okay, Ben Harnwell is going to join us in a second.
00:30:27.140I just want to make sure the audience understands how far ahead of the curve you are as an audience more than anybody else in media,
00:30:35.340and here's why it is on Friday, May 17, 2024, the New York Times, the paper of record of our beloved republic, cover, right-hand column, that means lead story.
00:30:49.540As you can see, NATO considers sending troops to Ukraine.
00:30:54.340How many years have we said this from the beginning?
00:30:57.260NATO considering sending troops to Ukraine.
00:31:00.160Sub-headline, or seriously, down here, Ukraine's manpower shortage.
00:32:10.100I'm sure you remember back to Ken Starr being the independent counsel before that statute lapsed.
00:32:15.720We were treated to video excerpts, the American public was, of Clinton under fire, right, as part of that process and having to squirm in the chair, et cetera, right?
00:32:26.080I mean, you know, this is the reason why oftentimes in modern litigation in America there are videotaped depositions because you get information that you don't get from a cold transcript.
00:32:36.940You get to see people, you know, actually react to the questions, their body language, their facial expressions, et cetera.
00:32:43.280And also the tone of voice, you get that from an audio tape, right?
00:32:46.980But you get, you know, increasing levels of information depending on whether you just have a transcript that a court reporter does, whether you have an audio tape, whether you have a videotape.
00:32:55.040And, you know, why didn't her go, you know, the full Monty here and get that information so that the American people can see?
00:33:03.260And again, you know, it's one thing, right, if an advisor to the president goes into the Oval Office and they have a discussion, you know, and Congress says we want to get that.
00:33:13.280But if you have this figure who's supposedly doing an independent investigation, that should be turned over to Congress on their very own theory.
00:33:20.980But they're magically going to ignore that theory now.
00:33:23.040They're going to have Merrick Garland say, oh, this is very confidential.
00:33:26.260This cuts at the heart of what the executive branch does.
00:33:29.900But I have the same question you have.
00:33:31.960Like, if we got the transcript, why can't we get the audio tape?
00:33:37.980Jeff, how can people get more information?
00:33:41.160You've been at the cutting edge of all this.
00:33:42.860Obviously, the paper, our papers say all the time, Washington Post, New York Times, you're on the short list, either the White House counsel or the attorney general.
00:33:51.360People want to find out more about you and your work over at CRA.
00:33:55.600I'm at JeffClarkUS on Twitter, X and Getter.
00:34:00.580And I'm at RealJeffClark on Truth Social.
00:34:03.260And you can follow all of the work, especially as we ramp up still more with, you know, expanding personnel at the Center for Renewing America, which is americarenewing.com.
00:34:13.920Jeff, thank you so much for joining us today.
00:34:16.920And thank you so much for going up yesterday and having the president's back and then coming out and reporting in very difficult circumstances.
00:36:31.400Because the mothers and fathers in Ukraine do not want their sons and daughters thrown into the charnel house, thrown into the charnel house of the Ukrainian front.
00:37:04.940I think it's more cases splitting NATO because NATO's position here, considering the European contingent, is very much 50-50 on this.
00:37:16.300And as you saw, and I say that, I mean that euphemistically, we had the poll, didn't we, a couple of days ago, which had not – there was not a single European member state that actually wants to send ground troops into NATO.
00:37:28.560So I think what we see here, Steve, is the difficulty that Biden is in.
00:37:32.340This is – we're six months away from the American elections.
00:37:35.840Biden cannot afford for Kiev to fall, and we're waiting on a daily basis for Kharkiv, Ukraine's second largest city, to fall.
00:37:44.700So we can't – America cannot afford Biden.
00:38:20.840I mean, we're expecting on a day-by-day basis.
00:38:23.860You can tell that the situation is touch and go because the conflicting news reports are coming out from all quarters day by day.
00:38:30.960Some say that Ukraine is holding on to these five villages towards the eastern frontier of Kharkiv.
00:38:36.640And others are saying that, you know, then they're sort of contradicting themselves with their hourly updates of their own online articles, saying, no, no, no, sort of Russia is taking these.
00:38:45.400So, basically, I just draw the note that Boris Pistorius, the German defense minister, and we did cover this on the show in real time, here in a visit to Washington, came out and said that he thinks it's going to be a good idea to reintroduce conscription in Germany.
00:39:00.980That would require a constitutional amendment to do that in order to confront the Russian aggression.
00:39:09.180But, of course, we know that Russia is not in a position, not interested in invading Germany.
00:39:14.240So, obviously, the question is if they're going to introduce conscription right now in the face of Russian aggression, this is with a view to sending troops to Ukraine.
00:39:25.220Obviously, they can't come out and say this, the same thing in the United States, because it is massively unpopular.
00:39:31.020Biden has this election to win, and as much as the House GOP and the Senate GOP are trying to help him, please.
00:39:38.940No, no, no, but here's what, Grace and Mo, you've got to get this New York Times, and let's get it so the archives,
00:39:44.780You must read this story today, because the lies and misrepresentations are all there,
00:39:50.100but they've got buried leaves where the truth comes out.
00:39:53.440This is about Ukraine's manpower shortage, has reached a critical point.
00:39:57.140Now, in the sub-headline, for now, U.S. resisting move that would pull it deeper into the war, would pull it deeper into the war.
00:40:08.100This is Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan all over again.
00:40:11.760You read down here, you've got down here, so far, the United States has said no to trainers or introduction of NATO troops.
00:40:21.860But General Charles Q. Brown, Jr., the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said on Thursday that a NATO deployment of trainers appeared inevitable,
00:40:30.640quote, will get there eventually over time, end quote.
00:40:35.180Folks, you've got to be lighting a fire.
00:40:37.640This is exactly the reason we shouldn't have sent the $61 billion over there.
00:40:42.820This is exactly the reason that we should have forced Biden to come on the War Powers Act to explain and lay out a strategy.
00:40:53.120The Republican House under Johnson bailed out Biden on the worst military disaster, I don't know, since the collapse of Antietam, let's say.
00:41:08.900Antietam was actually, I guess, I would say maybe a victory for the North.
00:41:28.720They're going to lay it in there, and then you're going to get American troops over there killed.
00:41:32.540And next thing you're going to know, just like Golf of Tonking, all of this, we're going to be putting more people in there.
00:41:38.000This Ukraine situation is about to spin out of control.
00:41:41.540The parents of the young Ukrainian men and women are saying, no, you will not take our children, because we understand this is a war to support Zelensky and his oligarchs.
00:41:53.740When are the parents in this country going to stand up?
00:42:03.280Steve, look, in terms of buried leads in this article, so you have the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Graham, saying that it's inevitable.
00:42:12.120That NATO is going to be sending troops into Ukraine, and we just have to get there.
00:42:17.680That's the same day yesterday, the same day that the White House was also briefing the press, saying this is absolutely not going to happen.
00:42:24.280Now, what I would suggest here, I mean, this is the point.
00:42:27.480This is how you can tell that the American people aren't interested in boots on the ground in Ukraine, because the administration is lying about it and yet trying to achieve it by stealth.
00:42:37.140The buried lead here that I wasn't aware is that the U.S. administration had been pressuring Emmanuel Macron behind the scenes diplomatically to temper down France's commitment to send troops in on the ground.
00:42:52.780Now, this is slightly confusing under a certain aspect.
00:42:56.500But, of course, it makes absolute sense when you realize that in this six-month period between now and the election, the Biden administration wants to keep absolute control on what is taking place in Ukraine.
00:43:12.060That's why NATO is being prepared surreptitiously under false pretenses to get in there.
00:43:17.200But they don't want the war to escalate.
00:43:19.740How are they going to justify if, as you say, and you tell me Zelensky backs you up on this, Kharkiv, if Kharkiv falls, how are they going to justify it?
00:43:30.740It's the second biggest city in Ukraine.
00:43:34.220Once Kharkiv falls, there will be flight out of Kiev like nobody's business into Poland, right?
00:43:39.340I mean, Kharkiv falling is a military disaster of the highest order.
00:43:51.440And this is what I would be looking for, the secret signs that this might be the case.
00:43:55.580I'd be looking for anything that indicates the administration is making a back-channel outreach to Moscow, saying we're going to send troops in.
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00:46:32.820The $60 billion, they pretended that was going to take it.
00:46:36.540Now they're talking about a 10-year plan to de-Trumpify, to stop President Trump so he can't take, can't do anything with the sanctions on the Russians for negotiating tool.
00:46:46.100He can't put pressure on NATO with the 2% as a negotiating tool.
00:46:50.040He cannot, he's going to be hamstrung in everything he's going to try to do to end this war.
00:46:55.360Yet, they still don't demand that Biden come forward and actually lay out a plan.
00:47:00.920And as you know, Ben, because you're the first reporter, they're working on a 10-year financing of what you dug up, the buried lead from one of their ministers that says it's going to be hundreds of billions of dollars, hundreds of billions of dollars to complete this fight.
00:47:14.860Now the New York Times on the front page reporting the chairman of the Joint Chiefs all behind the scenes.
00:47:19.740Troops, NATO troops are getting ready to go into Ukraine.
00:47:23.700Of course, we're all going to have, if you read the Pentagon Papers, all the lies, they're going to go in as trainers first and advisors first.
00:47:31.060They're essentially combat troops getting ready for the big push.
00:47:36.620Steve, there's one segment in this New York Times article, which is a bald-faced lie.
00:47:42.260And it says, as part of NATO, the United States would be obligated under the alliance's treaty to aid in the defense of any attack on the trainers,
00:47:50.360potentially dragging America into the war.
00:47:54.940As we've covered on the show, Article 5 simply says that NATO allies can take, and I quote,
00:48:01.680such action as the NATO ally deems necessary, including the use of armed force to retain, restore, maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.
00:48:13.800So, look, this is absolutely an escalation.
00:48:18.180It's very concerning that it's being done by stealth.
00:48:21.020It's very concerning that the administration, even on the very day that the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff is saying that it's inevitable,
00:48:28.780that the administration itself is putting out the line, reinforcing the line, that it's not going to send NATO trainers into Ukraine.
00:48:49.640Congress can, should, I would say, must sort of assert its prerogatives here in this situation.
00:48:57.220But if, because, of course, the scenario is with NATO trainers there, this would give a pretext to kicking off World War III, should these trainers be attacked.
00:49:10.000And that's the whole point, why, up until now, NATO has been training Ukrainian troops, and NATO allies have been training Ukrainian troops outside of Ukraine to not be in the direct firing line of Russia.
00:49:20.540So these things are going on, but I think now Congress, pressure needs to be put, huge pressure, massive political pressure needs to be put on the useless, low-T Mike Johnson to insist with regards to the White House that the War Powers Resolution should be operative.
00:49:44.100And the other thing I would absolutely insist on is I want to know what was in this intelligence briefing that Mike Johnson read that calls him to U-turn, stab MAGA in the back, and authorize the $61 billion, which we now know was never going to be enough.
00:50:05.200We know this, as you were mentioning, thanks to the Ukrainian Justice Minister, who said it was going to require hundreds of billions in order to win the war.
00:50:11.620We need to know what this information was so that the American public that's going to be providing, potentially, boots on the ground can make an informed decision between now and November.
00:50:25.200Ben, how do people get to your social media, particularly over the next couple of days?
00:50:30.340Thanks, Steve. Getter, my social media platform of choice. Tap in my surname, Harnwell, and there I am. Thanks very much, Steve. God bless.