Bannon's War Room - May 21, 2024


Episode 3624: The Vatican Encourages The Illegal Invasion Of America


Episode Stats

Length

55 minutes

Words per Minute

165.8639

Word Count

9,183

Sentence Count

586

Misogynist Sentences

1

Hate Speech Sentences

18


Summary

In this episode of The War Room, we take a look at what's happening around the world, and at home, in terms of censorship, and what's being done to combat it. We talk to Samir Chaudhuri, the founder of the Digital Services Act, a group dedicated to fighting censorship, about what's going on overseas, and why we should be worried about it.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 For Europe right now, I think that I would feel pretty defeated and despondent in this moment.
00:00:06.120 It has certainly become much, much more difficult for outside researchers to do the sorts of, right, of the options that you list, Samir, to actually engage directly with people at the platforms because there are simply fewer of them, right?
00:00:21.600 We spent literally years building up relationships with good folks at all of these platforms who are trying to do the right thing, and for the most part, they're gone, right?
00:00:32.120 It's really, really difficult to know who to reach out to, who to work with.
00:00:37.300 If it weren't for the European Union and the Digital Services Act, I don't know that we'd have much hope of rectifying that situation at all.
00:00:46.140 But given the sort of requirements that for performing risk assessments, for sharing more transparent information with the public, and crucially for sharing data with researchers, I do think that we still have some options for leverage to continue the work that we've been doing.
00:01:05.300 And hopefully, ultimately, that leads to a sort of restaffing of some of these positions, increased focus again, as the DSA begins to come into force, and the platforms feel the real pressure of actual enforcement action.
00:01:23.660 This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
00:01:28.700 Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people.
00:01:32.640 I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.
00:01:38.280 The people have had a belly full of it.
00:01:40.240 I know you don't like hearing that.
00:01:41.660 I know you've tried to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.
00:01:44.300 It's going to happen.
00:01:45.580 And where do people like that go to share the big line?
00:01:48.980 Mega Media.
00:01:50.340 I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
00:01:55.720 Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
00:01:58.880 If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
00:02:05.800 War Room.
00:02:06.700 Here's your host, Stephen K.
00:02:08.800 Bannon.
00:02:15.840 Welcome to the War Room.
00:02:17.200 It's Natalie G.
00:02:17.980 Winters hosting, filling in for Stephen K.
00:02:21.020 Bannon.
00:02:21.580 I know we may have hair that is similar lengths, but it is not him today.
00:02:25.400 You got me for the 5 p.m.
00:02:26.560 Steve will be back for the 6th, but in the meantime, don't go anywhere.
00:02:29.700 We have a very packed show for you, whether it's the border, the invasion that's going
00:02:33.720 on there, or frankly, the invasion that is going on on our social media platforms with
00:02:37.380 censors and those who say everything that we spread on this show is misinformation.
00:02:43.000 I don't know if you guys caught the opening clip provided by the one and only Mike Benz.
00:02:48.000 They're not just coming after us here in the United States.
00:02:50.040 The EU is cracking down with some new draconian censorship laws, too.
00:02:54.160 Mike, if you want to walk the audience through what they just watched, we can start our discussion
00:02:58.700 on what is going on overseas, and then I guess it would be America first to start with
00:03:02.940 what's going on here.
00:03:03.640 But we'll start with the EU, and then we'll bring it back home.
00:03:06.900 Yeah, that clip was a censorship planning meeting that involved some people at the
00:03:10.620 highest levels of thought leadership in the censorship industry.
00:03:13.900 Speaking there was Rebecca Tremblay, who was the head of managing toxic conversations
00:03:19.380 for Twitter 1.0, and right by her side on that panel was Dean Jackson from the National
00:03:25.000 Endowment for Democracy.
00:03:26.520 The National Endowment for Democracy is probably the most prolific CIA cutout in the entire swarm
00:03:32.240 army of CIA and State Department institutions.
00:03:35.880 It was created in 1983 under a letter by CIA Director Bill Colby that they wanted to reassert
00:03:42.920 the same kind of soft power control powers the CIA used to have in the 1960s, but that
00:03:48.380 there were too many scandals with people getting caught being funded by the CIA, so they wanted
00:03:52.180 to create a national endowment for democracy to do it.
00:03:55.620 So you basically have a CIA cutout in the planning room there, and then you also had Katie Harbath
00:04:01.060 there, who was from the International Republican Institute, which is the GOP branch of that same
00:04:06.500 CIA cutout.
00:04:07.500 So you basically have a bunch of censors and spooks in a room talking about how after Elon
00:04:14.580 Musk acquired Twitter and after some of the scandals of last year, they claimed in that clip that
00:04:21.200 they'd spent years staffing up the social media companies with censors who would do their bidding,
00:04:27.200 who would censor the kinds of political content they didn't want to go viral online or popular
00:04:32.540 accounts.
00:04:32.960 They said it took years for us to build that up.
00:04:34.780 And then in one fell swoop, Elon Musk fired 85 to 90 percent of them.
00:04:39.480 But fortunately, we have an ace up our sleeve, and that is something called the DSA, the Digital
00:04:43.980 Services Act, the EU Digital Services Act, or as I hope you will come to see it, the sort
00:04:49.660 of NATO censorship law.
00:04:51.100 And as the speaker said in that clip, their hope is that this new EU censorship law will
00:05:00.100 force the restaffing of the fired censors as the social media companies begin to feel the
00:05:06.340 enforcement pressure.
00:05:07.880 Now, I'll tell you, I dealt with this personally when I was at the State Department, and I got
00:05:11.840 phone calls from Google lobbyists telling me that the EU Digital Services Act is the number
00:05:15.900 one threat to their business model, Google's business model, over the next five years.
00:05:20.100 So it's a trillion-dollar company whose biggest fear is this one EU law who only the State
00:05:24.960 Department can protect them from through negotiations and through bringing the diplomatic pressure
00:05:29.540 of the U.S. government.
00:05:31.600 And it was actually for this reason in the YouTube files that Jim Jordan actually just unearthed
00:05:37.480 about a week ago from the subpoenas under the House Judiciary Committee that YouTube
00:05:42.880 and Facebook were censoring what the White House asked because they wanted to be in the
00:05:49.740 good graces to continue to do work with them on multiple policy fronts.
00:05:54.820 And Michael Schellenberger's documents also revealed they specifically feared that if they
00:05:58.540 didn't censor what the government wanted, the State Department would not protect them from
00:06:02.140 the Digital Services Act.
00:06:03.340 There's a lot more here in the whole history of it, but that's just an overview.
00:06:07.480 I remember I had published a story a few years ago when it was tracking from the USAspending.gov
00:06:14.200 database itemized terms, whether it was misinformation, disinformation, or conspiracy theory.
00:06:20.020 And it wasn't really something that the U.S. government was interested in funding, either in the form
00:06:25.360 of educational grants or actual contracts to combat, or at least it really saw a massive uptick
00:06:33.080 come 2016, especially post-Trump victory, right?
00:06:37.240 And there was a lot of interlinking between censorship and these populist causes.
00:06:41.800 I'm inclined to think of a pretty infamous National Science Foundation grant that they
00:06:45.840 were doling out money to U.S. researchers to figure out how to quash populism.
00:06:51.140 So before we get into the developments on the United States front, just taking a step back,
00:06:55.600 I'm just curious from your kind of meta perspective, is all of this censorship madness something that
00:07:01.280 they have been planning for a very long time?
00:07:04.320 Or is this something that with the victory of Trump, with sort of the spread, the, I would
00:07:09.560 say, liberalization, in the good sense of the word, of being able to, you know, just start
00:07:14.600 an account on X, right, and post stories that go against the mainstream narrative, shows like
00:07:19.160 War Room, is it something that they've had to adapt? Like, how has this been formulated?
00:07:24.940 I would say that the birth of censorship as an industry happened with the 2016 election. In fact,
00:07:30.560 in their own, in the literature of disinformation studies, they frequently sort of
00:07:35.400 harken back to the 2016 election as being the catalyst for the development of disinformation
00:07:40.440 studies as a field and the censorship industry by proxy. Although I would note that this, this goes
00:07:46.460 back sometime before it, there was a kind of primordial soup stage. So, you know, without
00:07:52.440 offering any opinion one way or another as to the events of 9-11, there's an interesting sort of
00:07:59.060 story on the origins of censorship industry infrastructure around that time. You had, so
00:08:04.840 currently, the head of USAID is Samantha Power. Her husband is Cass Sunstein, who is a Harvard
00:08:11.620 professor and has worked in doing counterinsurgency and psychological operations work. And he penned a,
00:08:19.920 he penned an essay in 2008 called Conspiracy Theories. I think it was in the Harvard Law Review
00:08:25.360 that he published this. But this essay called Conspiracy Theories, and then a book he would come
00:08:32.160 to write on it called Nudge, was in 2008. And this was about two years after YouTube came out.
00:08:40.060 You know, so 9-11 happened on, in 2001, but then YouTube came out in 2005. It was acquired by Google
00:08:46.320 in 2006. And in that period between 2006 and 2008, there were a lot of conspiracy theories about 9-11
00:08:52.800 spreading on the internet. And Cass Sunstein, who is now partnered with the Department of Homeland
00:08:57.440 Security, and his wife is now the head of all, basically, soft power influence for the U.S.
00:09:01.720 government. The USAID admin has a permanent position on the National Security Council,
00:09:08.620 you know, basically on par with the CIA and the DOD. And in this essay, he wrote that the spread of
00:09:15.040 conspiracy theories about 9-11 was causing the United States to suffer international blowback,
00:09:21.800 and it was diminishing the legitimacy of the war in Afghanistan and the toppling of Iraq.
00:09:26.840 And so at that point, he basically proposed a number of ways to infiltrate the online movement.
00:09:33.480 Now, he didn't propose censorship at that time. He was proposing a sort of these nudge tactics,
00:09:38.040 some of which involved cognitive infiltration, basically having federal agents descend on,
00:09:43.800 you know, into these communities and swing them, you know, towards the way the government wanted,
00:09:48.320 which was—now, this essay drew a lot of flack, but it wouldn't be until the twin events of the Arab
00:09:53.040 Spring and Occupy Wall Street in 2011 that would really—2010 that really kind of exploded government
00:10:02.020 research into mis and disinformation. They were very much pro the Arab Spring. That was very much
00:10:07.420 a CIA State Department operation through and through, organizing rent-to-riots using Twitter
00:10:13.620 hashtags and Facebook pages. But they were very much upset about Occupy Wall Street and the use of
00:10:21.040 social media in order to—in order to galvanize these anti-banker protests here on the homeland.
00:10:29.200 And so at that point, DARPA began to take a very serious interest in the spread of misinformation
00:10:34.520 online and began commissioning tens of millions of dollars of research grants to stopping the spread
00:10:40.260 of misinformation. But they didn't yet have the architecture to hook that research up to and the
00:10:45.760 connections that the social media company, the domination of their ranks to be able to actually pull
00:10:50.500 off the censorship. That would come starting in 2014 with the loss of Crimea after the CIA coup in Maidan,
00:10:57.860 Ukraine, and then the counter-coup backed by Russia later that year, resulted in—ultimately in the
00:11:04.420 annexation of Crimea under a referendum for Crimea to join the Russian Federation. And it was at that point
00:11:12.260 that DARPA's interest in conspiracy theories and misinformation joined up with a new infrastructure
00:11:20.740 that was then seeded into the tech companies, which is that at that—when the counter-coup happened
00:11:27.380 and Ukraine broke apart in a civil war and the entire eastern half of Ukraine said,
00:11:33.620 we're a breakaway region, we're not a part of this new Kiev government, the military went into a panic
00:11:39.620 that they had lost this war not because of boots on the ground, but because they had lost the hearts
00:11:43.700 and minds of the Ukrainian people. And it was at that point that the military decided to hook up this
00:11:49.700 long-time interest in mis- and dis-information on the internet and conspiracy theories to actual
00:11:55.700 literal control over it by this sort of NATO-wide pan-transatlantic military move into the content
00:12:06.180 moderation space. And then when the 2016 election happened here in the U.S., you can imagine what
00:12:12.100 the reaction was to that. It all exploded and it came home in a heartbeat. And we've only got a few
00:12:19.060 minutes, but if you want to start a little bit on what Google is doing, we know they love to outsource
00:12:23.460 it to ostensibly private companies, but they're of course doing the bidding of all the censorship,
00:12:29.060 or maybe it's the other way around. But what is Google doing ahead of the 2024 election?
00:12:34.260 So Google has already promised the EU that they're going to be implementing these new and improved
00:12:40.100 scan and ban AI censorship techniques to remove election misinformation all across Europe. They've
00:12:47.780 already removed 35,000 YouTube videos for election misinformation, which is something of a redux of
00:12:54.260 what they were doing for the 2020 election when they banned any video that delegitimized the perceived
00:13:02.180 legitimacy of mail-in ballots. But at this point, Google has tried to, after Elon Musk freed up Twitter,
00:13:10.580 both Facebook and YouTube have started to relax in small ways some other terms of services about how
00:13:20.260 they can actually, what is a speech violation when it comes to election misinformation. And right now,
00:13:25.860 we're waiting for these new EU censorship law regulations to be finalized. But you can bet that
00:13:32.660 whatever the trending narrative comes to be in the media or in the major think tank sphere over the next
00:13:39.380 several months about, because part of this comes down to what is the op going to be?
00:13:44.660 If this lawfare tactic against Trump fails and he ends up surviving them, what trick are they going
00:13:51.620 to use to try to, let's just say, endanger the security of the election? And now I suspect that there will
00:14:00.180 be issues around- And Mike, we're coming up against a break. I would hold you because you're getting to
00:14:04.580 the good stuff, but I know you've got to bounce. I'll have you back on the next time I host though.
00:14:08.820 If people want to follow you, you, maybe you can pick up where he left off on Twitter. Uh,
00:14:12.740 where can they go to do all that?
00:14:14.100 Yep. On, on the X at Mike Ben cyber. One word is the best place.
00:14:19.700 I'm such a, a boomer and a Luddite. I keep calling it Twitter. I don't know. I call it
00:14:24.100 Twitter too. But Mike, thank you so much for joining us. We'll have you back.
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00:16:19.140 Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
00:16:27.920 Welcome back to The War Room. It was a busy week last week for The War Room Posse when it came to all
00:16:32.780 things Congress. You know, we got a special shout out. I got my own special shout out. I'm curious how
00:16:38.940 I managed to find time to host this show in between being a, uh, congressionally certified
00:16:43.900 Trump lackey and sycophant. That's a good one. Um, but in more important news, we also had,
00:16:50.200 of course, one of the leading voices on immigration members of The War Room Posse,
00:16:54.320 uh, Todd Benzman testified, uh, on how Chinese nationals are invading this country,
00:17:00.400 being aided and abetted by, of course, the Biden regime, also known as business partners of the
00:17:06.260 Chinese Communist Party, a la Hunter Biden and a bunch of other Biden family members. Um, but Todd,
00:17:12.440 before we get into what you did on the Chinese Communist Party front, I know there's some breaking
00:17:17.500 news. You got the developing undercurrents. You see the swamp rearing its ugly head again. They're
00:17:22.320 reintroducing the so-called bipartisan. I say, whenever you hear that word, that's always a bad sign.
00:17:28.460 That's not a selling point, especially when it comes to immigration. Um, but they've reintroduced
00:17:32.520 a bipartisan border bill, maybe a vote on Wednesday. Senator Schumer has, can you just walk us through
00:17:38.020 kind of what you're hearing behind the scenes on that, but more importantly, why it is such a
00:17:42.280 disaster and why we should not support it? Well, first of all, understand that the reason they're
00:17:49.120 bringing this back is because they got so much political traction out of the narrative that the
00:17:56.360 Republicans killed this great border control bill, uh, because theoretically, uh, the way the
00:18:04.080 narrative goes is that, uh, you know, the Republicans don't want to fix the border because they want it
00:18:11.200 as a festering political issue in time for the November election. But the reality is that they want
00:18:17.320 to bring it back again to keep that narrative going. They did well with it. A lot of people believed
00:18:23.920 them. The truth is that the bill is awful. It does the exact opposite of border control because
00:18:33.260 it lets everyone in. When you let everyone in, you don't control the border. You invite
00:18:41.040 more to come to get in, except in this case, it legislates, uh, it puts in place legislation that
00:18:50.480 maybe a future president Trump won't be so, uh, won't be able to undo, uh, very easily. Uh,
00:18:58.000 if the Democrats were serious, they would stop blocking HR two, which is the beautiful, uh, impactful
00:19:07.240 piece of legislation that came out of the house that the Democrats in the Senate are constantly
00:19:13.600 blocking. They will not consider it. They won't debate HR two and HR two, uh, works. And it's the,
00:19:21.260 the reason why they, they won't let it advance is because it detains, deports, closes all the
00:19:28.680 incentivizing loopholes, actually does something real at the border. And that's the one, of course,
00:19:35.320 they don't want. They want this other, uh, piece of trash. It's basically, you know, it's,
00:19:41.220 it's toilet paper, this thing, uh, they're going to bring that back.
00:19:46.840 So a lot of the refrain is that this is, you know, Democrats trying to position themselves
00:19:51.260 as tough on the border ahead of the election. Um, but is that a fair, yeah, is that a fair
00:19:57.840 spin? I would think they would want to go a little bit harder if that was the, uh, the course they
00:20:01.720 were going for. What they're doing really is they're, they're relying on the fact that most
00:20:08.040 Americans don't understand the complexities of illegal immigration and, and, and how border
00:20:14.360 control works and that they're, and they've succeeded in, in sort of harnessing that general
00:20:23.440 ignorance. Uh, that's, what's going on here. People just don't understand, well, they're going
00:20:29.040 to shorten the asylum, uh, adjudication time. So we'll short. The problem is that they're releasing
00:20:35.620 them for 180 days. You can't release them for even one day because they disappear. So
00:20:43.420 that's the kind of thing. And people don't really, I think in a broad way, understand these kind of
00:20:50.240 basic dynamics of immigration law. And when it comes to the Chinese communist party migrant issue,
00:20:59.040 again, that's too euphemistic a term. We know they operate under the terms of, uh, unrestricted
00:21:03.780 warfare. These people are invaders and the Biden regime is purposely omitting questions to see
00:21:08.540 whether or not these people are actually sworn members of the Chinese communist party. I think
00:21:12.160 it was also if they had firearm experience, can you give the audience just a little preview of what,
00:21:16.440 what you spoke about? But I think more importantly, you know, we're, uh, critics here of, of the house
00:21:21.620 here in the war room, but where you think they're going on this issue, if there's any substantive
00:21:25.300 legislation or change that you think is going to come of it.
00:21:28.340 Well, 50,000 Chinese nationals have now crossed our border, uh, since Biden took office because
00:21:37.200 we just catch and release them immediately. All Chinese get to stay. And so, you know,
00:21:43.460 the whole mainland knows this now, and they're coming to take advantage of it before the Americans
00:21:49.140 wake up and, and go, Oh, what have we done? You know, this is so stupid. Uh, and, and as a result,
00:21:55.440 the rate of their entries is escalated to such a point that it now looks like by the end of this
00:22:03.040 year, we'll have had 100,000 Chinese nationals enter the U S and that's a point of legitimate
00:22:10.560 debate to have given the fact that the Chinese communist party, the government there is, you
00:22:17.560 know, adversarial and wants to unseat and destroy the United States and replace it as a global,
00:22:24.040 the global power. And that they're using, uh, rapacious espionage operations inside the United
00:22:33.420 States to do it. Now in the past, they've been using mainly legal visa processes to fly in legally
00:22:42.680 under student visas and then sneak into research institutions and steal all our stuff. But we've
00:22:50.340 cracked down on that. Donald Trump did, uh, you know, dozens of, uh, prosecutions and that's hot
00:22:55.960 now. Not so easy to get in that way. Uh, there's, there's people are watching that. So all of a sudden
00:23:02.760 the administration, the Biden administration hands out this golden ticket at the border. Everybody gets
00:23:10.180 in all the Chinese nationals get in. So of course, and I testified that, you know, there's the Chinese
00:23:17.220 intelligence services undoubtedly put Chinese spies and agents of, uh, uh, intelligence into the country
00:23:25.780 this way. Uh, of course they would. And that was kind of the gist of what I had to say, but I also
00:23:31.920 wanted to point out that the tens of thousands of Chinese nationals that may just be coming here
00:23:37.220 merely to live and work because it's better here are committing mass asylum fraud. We're finding
00:23:46.200 their, their broken and torn apart passports all over the borderlands. They're tossing them because
00:23:53.560 they're committing asylum fraud. Uh, those passports contain stamps of countries that were safe.
00:24:01.200 They passed right through them to get to our country, which is an ineligibility. They're
00:24:07.240 throwing down their Mexican, uh, asylum cards on the ground too, that they, the Mexicans just gave them
00:24:13.640 asylum. They can't get caught with those either because it's an ineligibility. So even though the
00:24:20.100 ones that are not spies are problematic and could be prosecuted under another administration, wink.
00:24:26.960 Just curious whether your testimony or from the other people who were involved in this hearing,
00:24:34.180 you know, obviously we're strong adherents, or at least we understand right. Unrestricted
00:24:39.320 warfare. We think COVID-19 was, was a bioweapon. I obviously the Chinese communist party perpetuates
00:24:44.620 economic warfare. There's a myriad of ways that they've been waging war on the United States for
00:24:48.900 decades. And our elites frankly have been complicit and allowed it to happen. But why do they think the
00:24:54.000 Chinese communist party is sort of storming the border with people? I know it was announced.
00:24:58.360 What was it just two weeks ago that the Chinese communist party was again going to start
00:25:02.160 collaborating with the Biden regime on deported Chinese nationals. It was sort of a weird
00:25:07.680 story. I don't understand where the Chinese communist party would have any influence over
00:25:11.940 American border operations, but you know, is there any, you know, threat or risk that these people
00:25:17.220 are sleeper cells, that they pose a risk to our national security?
00:25:20.480 Well, I went into a lot of detail. You can find my long form written testimony at cis.org center
00:25:29.480 for immigration studies. Uh, we've got it posted up there as well as the, uh, the video, but you
00:25:35.960 know, I just default to the U S intelligence community's own assessments for 2023 and 2024.
00:25:44.020 It's the ODNI office of the, um, national director of intelligence and DHS intelligence and analysis.
00:25:52.020 They have these assessments out there that say point blank that the Chinese communist party
00:25:58.020 is putting operatives in here to conduct, uh, political suppression campaigns against Chinese
00:26:06.700 Americans that live here. Uh, they have these, um, unsanctioned police stations that they man,
00:26:14.980 and they use to identify and physically assault and physically intimidate people in the United States
00:26:22.900 that are critical of the Chinese communist party. Um, that's in addition to the rapacious economic
00:26:29.700 espionage that they've been conducting for years already at all of our research institutes and elite
00:26:37.220 universities, which plenty of those who cross the border will eventually gravitate into and start
00:26:43.460 those operations all over again. Uh, they, they are conducting renditions inside the United States,
00:26:51.940 meaning they're, they're kidnapping people they don't like and getting them out of the country
00:26:57.220 and doing God knows what with them. Uh, all of this is part of a grand strategic
00:27:03.300 game that the Chinese are saying are playing according to these public intelligence assessments,
00:27:10.420 which I believe I can't imagine why. Yeah. On the other side, we're coming up against a break. So I,
00:27:16.900 I gotta let you go. But if people want to follow you, watch the testimony, get the book,
00:27:21.060 which I know you go into this and much more detail, uh, where can they go to do all that?
00:27:25.140 That's right. Uh, CIS.org. You can find all my work and go to Todd Benzman.com. If you want to
00:27:32.500 sign onto my newsletter and follow me on all my social media, it's all right there on the page.
00:27:38.340 And I appreciate, um, you giving me some time here today.
00:27:44.020 Of course. I'm sorry. I had to cut you off. I had to cut you and Mike Benz off
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00:29:38.580 Welcome back to The War Room. We've got live coverage outside of the New York courthouse. I
00:29:45.860 know we could be in China. It could be the Chinese Communist Party, what they're doing,
00:29:48.740 what they're putting President Trump through. But it is the United States. Luckily, we got Andrew
00:29:52.740 Giuliani and David Zeer there breaking everything down for us, guys. We know it's been an explosive day.
00:29:57.940 Michael Cohen, I guess, admitted to stealing tens of thousands of dollars from the Trump organization.
00:30:03.220 I'd say that's an unforced error. But walk us through everything that kind of went down today
00:30:08.340 and looking ahead with Costello coming up as a witness, what you think we have to look for downrange.
00:30:15.220 Well, Natalie, good afternoon. I'm here with Andrew. And while 545 people were raped since the
00:30:21.300 beginning of the year in New York and 27,000 people almost assaulted, misdemeanor felony assaults,
00:30:27.220 we're stuck in here in the courtroom. And so was Donald Trump. And explosive fireworks today.
00:30:33.780 Blanche gets Michael Cohen to say that he stole from Trump. But it got crazier. And Andrew can fill
00:30:40.580 you in because I had to step out of the courtroom after Rob Costello took the stand. And basically,
00:30:46.580 I heard him say, geez. And when every question that was asked to him, the prosecution objected,
00:30:53.380 and the judge kept saying sustained. So, Andrew, take it from there.
00:30:56.340 Yeah. So, Natalie, we get to the end of the day here at this point, and Costello gets called as a
00:31:01.380 witness. We weren't expecting him to get called. We weren't sure if the defense was going to go there
00:31:05.060 or if they were going to pretty much rest with Cohen being kind of the lasting image to the jury there.
00:31:09.940 But they decide to go with Robert Costello. There's a little bit of a gasp from the media at that
00:31:14.820 point. Anyway, fast forwarding to a point where Mershon continues to sustain the prosecution's
00:31:23.540 objections. Right after about five minutes into that, Costello says to a hot mic, as the lawyers
00:31:29.940 have approached Mershon's bench, ridiculous. Nobody says anything, but you could obviously hear that.
00:31:35.140 A couple of minutes later, after a few more sustained objections, he says, geez. The judge then looks at
00:31:42.580 Costello. I heard that. He did a double take. He heard that. He did a double take. He said, excuse
00:31:46.420 me. He said, I'm sorry. And then after another sustained objection, a couple of minutes later,
00:31:51.060 there was a there was a deep breath, a frustrated, deep breath. And the judge then said to Costello
00:31:57.700 at that point that if you went, he admonished Costello. Costello said, yeah. And then the judge
00:32:03.860 actually asked Costello if he was staring him down, similar to this, staring him down right there.
00:32:09.860 That's when the judge cleared the courtroom completely and basically just left the courtroom
00:32:14.740 for the prosecution, for the defense and for Costello along with him. And admonished Costello further.
00:32:21.060 I assume he did. We don't know. That's off the record. The judge obviously was kind of breaking the
00:32:26.180 fourth rail at that point of being the judge. But my goodness was there fireworks there. And actually,
00:32:32.180 you wonder if it does in some way distract a little bit from Cohen and how terrible of a witness
00:32:38.020 that he was. But Costello was obviously showing the same respect for this judge that this judge
00:32:43.700 has shown for the rule of law over the last month and a half year, which is absolutely none.
00:32:47.780 Yeah. And Natalie, I just wanted to add the same thing. The scope of questioning,
00:32:51.380 the narrow questioning that the defense is allowed to ask is so limiting, just like they want to bring
00:32:57.060 Brad Smith, former FEC commissioner who can explain why this doesn't belong in a state
00:33:02.100 court and explain the 75-10 at the state level. And that the reason why there's no crime here and
00:33:09.700 there's no predicate for what's going on, the defense is not allowed to ask any questions. Right,
00:33:15.380 Andrew? Yeah, that's exactly right. They always limit the scope, it seems like. And certainly with
00:33:19.780 Costello, they have really, really limited the scope. Now, what you could say is that could
00:33:24.740 potentially actually hurt the prosecution because it then limits the scope of questions that they can
00:33:30.660 ask about, because you could ask Robert Costello about a guy I know pretty well, Rudy Giuliani,
00:33:34.900 you could ask about Ukraine. You could take it in all different kinds of directions that, again,
00:33:39.540 further distracts the jury from actually what was one of the worst pieces of testimony I think
00:33:45.220 I've seen in my life, which was Michael Cohen. Probably in all likelihood, I'm virtually certain
00:33:50.820 that he perjured himself up there when you talk about that 96-second phone call that he originally
00:33:55.940 testified was about Stormy Daniels, that he had to change his testimony that was actually both
00:34:00.580 about a 14-year-old who stalked him and Stormy Daniels, and he talked to two people in the
00:34:06.260 course of 90 seconds. David? Yeah, and one more quick point, Natalie. Andrew pointed out earlier,
00:34:11.300 Judge Mershon wants this trial to go into next week now, and maybe he's trying to get
00:34:17.460 the explosive testimony of Michael Cohen kind of in the back seat so the jury doesn't,
00:34:22.180 you know, they kind of forget about it, right? Yeah, and one more thing to that point,
00:34:26.500 Mershon late last week was trying to rush this basically, saying get your summations
00:34:31.540 ready for Tuesday, and now at some point early in the day today, he said we're going to stretch
00:34:37.060 this out another week. Now we're back here to looking at summations potentially by tomorrow.
00:34:42.820 Actually, it should be on Tuesday, right? That was a little bit unclear in terms of the timing,
00:34:47.140 but I think the defense will probably end up wrapping up their case by tomorrow.
00:34:53.060 Back to you, Natalie. Obviously, lots of perjury going on. What is it? Six felonies that Michael
00:34:59.380 Cohen admitted to under oath, but specifically today, you could tell there was a moment that
00:35:04.020 really struck a chord. I think you had one of the MSNBC analysts saying that actually Michael Cohen didn't
00:35:10.820 steal tens of thousands of dollars. He was just trying to take a bonus that he felt he was owed,
00:35:16.260 that he felt he deserved. Can you walk us through that moment in the courtroom,
00:35:21.140 what he admitted to for those in the audience who don't know what I'm referencing?
00:35:26.580 Yeah, well, Lawrence O'Donnell said that stealing isn't really stealing,
00:35:30.500 and it was really crazy because Todd Blanche did a great job of telling everyone a story in that
00:35:37.460 courtroom that the only one who's ever made money from all of this, good or bad, in Trump's favor or
00:35:42.340 against Trump is Michael Cohen making $4.6 million since 2020, making millions of dollars under the
00:35:48.900 Trump Organization for nine years. And then I think he really showed that he's about the money here.
00:35:59.140 Yeah, and Natalie, you bring up MSNBC, and I have to tell you, coming down the elevator after the
00:36:05.220 morning break there, I was in the elevator with an MSNBC reporter, we'll call it a reporter,
00:36:10.340 because they introduced themselves to me. They asked what I thought. I said I thought that Cohen
00:36:13.780 was a disastrous witness. They said they thought that Cohen was a disciplined witness. I reminded him
00:36:18.740 that he had to change his testimony with regard to this 96-second phone call from being about one
00:36:24.100 subject with one person to two subjects with two people right there. And they said there was no way
00:36:30.180 that you could prove that before I could actually get it out and the doors closed. I couldn't have the
00:36:35.940 opportunity to remind them that it's actually President Trump who is on the stand here and is
00:36:40.180 the prosecution, I should say his defendant, and is the prosecution's job to prove without beyond any
00:36:46.340 doubt that Donald Trump actually committed these. There's no way you could do this, Natalie, now looking
00:36:51.060 at Michael Cohen being the linchpin to all of this. Yeah, and he also established, Todd Blanche was
00:36:56.420 successful in establishing that Michael Cohen did a lot of legal work. Not only did he do legal work for
00:37:03.140 Trump, he said this was just reimbursement, these 12 payments for $35K a month, but he was helping
00:37:08.820 Melania Trump, he was helping Tiffany Trump, he was helping Donald Trump, and he was also making
00:37:13.620 money off of clients like AT&T that Trump introduced him to and other clients, making a lot of money,
00:37:19.140 doing a lot of legal work for the Trump team, right? Yeah, and the point that they also pointed out
00:37:23.540 too was just that Cohen, as you said, went out all that money right there that he had made,
00:37:29.460 but Cohen also had a motive and has a motive to see Donald Trump behind bars, talking about
00:37:35.300 even his merchandise, that Convict 45 gear that Michael Cohen is selling there, talking about how
00:37:40.900 it would be beneficial for his mea culpa podcast, for the potential show that he is pitching called
00:37:46.180 The Fixer, if he is the one that could put Donald Trump behind bars.
00:37:50.180 Yes.
00:37:52.180 Guys, thank you so much for that analysis, we've got to let you go. If people want to follow the
00:37:57.300 both of you, where can they go to do that?
00:38:01.460 I'm at Dave Zier on Twitter, at David Zier on everything else, and Andrew?
00:38:06.180 At Andrew H. Giuliani, we'll be live tweeting, live truthing, and live xing tomorrow from the
00:38:12.340 courthouse as well, so stay tuned. You'll want to see the fireworks again with Bob Costello coming up
00:38:16.980 first thing in the morning. Thank you, and condolences for sharing an elevator with someone
00:38:22.820 from MSNBC. You guys have a good one, be safe. War Room Posse, as much as every time we have Mike
00:38:32.820 Davis on, I would love to cold open with his infamous interview from the BBC. We don't have time to do
00:38:38.980 that today. But Mike Davis, your thoughts on everything that went down in New York today?
00:38:44.020 This is a train wreck of a criminal prosecution for the Soros-funded Manhattan DA, Alvin Bragg.
00:38:52.820 They still have not told President Trump what the legal allegations are in this case in week
00:38:58.180 six of this trial. This is clearly a political hit, as we've been talking about for many months.
00:39:04.660 You have Matthew Colangelo deploying from the number three office in the Biden Justice Department
00:39:10.180 to bring this bogus case that the prior Manhattan DA, the Manhattan US Attorney, the Federal Election
00:39:15.620 Commission, and Bragg himself declined to bring, even after Bragg campaigned on getting Trump,
00:39:20.740 this case was so bad that Bragg didn't want to bring it. The star witnesses are Stormy Daniels,
00:39:26.580 a Bembo porn star who has changed her story many times, who has, as her penned tweet, her porn site,
00:39:34.900 where she's raising money from this trial. You have Michael Cohen, this disbarred,
00:39:40.500 disgraced, serial perjurer, and convicted felon who's changed his story many times. He's raising
00:39:48.660 money on TikTok, trashing Trump. We just learned today he admitted to embezzling funds from President
00:39:56.900 Trump, $60,000 from President Trump. They don't have a case here. The problem is this process is so
00:40:03.220 rigged. You have a Manhattan Democrat, Judge Juan Mershon, who's an adult daughter. He donated to
00:40:09.700 Biden. He donated to another anti-Trump cause. He just got reprimanded, we learned, from the New
00:40:14.740 York judicial system several months ago. It just came out. But he didn't step down. He didn't step
00:40:19.860 aside. He didn't recuse, even after we learned, his daughter, Lauren Mershon, is raising millions of
00:40:25.860 dollars as a Democrat fundraiser and consultant for Biden, Kamala Harris, Adam Schiff, many other
00:40:31.620 Democrats. She's raising money off this case, requiring his recusal. Because guess what? If
00:40:37.220 he does not, if Judge Mershon does not deliver a guilty verdict and a conviction, then his daughter
00:40:43.220 stands to lose a lot of business from these Biden Democrats. And so he's clearly convicted under New
00:40:48.660 York statute. He refuses to recuse. Instead, he actually, he expanded this illegal, unconstitutional
00:40:56.500 gag order. He retaliated against President Trump for merely raising the fact that he has a conflict
00:41:02.580 of interest with his daughter's financial stake in this criminal prosecution. He's corrupt. He is,
00:41:08.420 this is a corrupt judge with these partisan prosecutors and these lying witnesses. Trump can't
00:41:15.780 even talk about the fact that this Manhattan jury pool voted 87 percent for Joe Biden. If Trump mentions
00:41:21.620 that, he goes to jail. If Trump's campaign mentions that, Trump goes to jail. Trump's campaign can't
00:41:27.620 even post a New York Times story, for example, that mentions Colangelo or Lauren Mershon or Stormy
00:41:34.900 Daniels or Michael Cohen or 87 percent Democrat jury pool or Trump goes to jail. They rigged the jury
00:41:42.900 selection process. Colangelo Bragg and Judge Mershon rigged the jury selection process to weed out
00:41:49.780 Trump, the people who followed Trump on social media. So the three people in Manhattan who
00:41:54.740 followed Trump on social media, but they didn't weed out people who followed Biden. And I would say this,
00:42:01.620 Senator John Thune from South Dakota was just asked today about this trial. And he said, quote,
00:42:09.060 we'll see how the trial comes out. I'm not weighing in on that. Are you kidding me? This is the guy who is
00:42:16.420 being tapped to be the Senate majority leader. If President Trump wins back the White House,
00:42:21.940 John Thune is going to be the Senate majority leader. And this guy doesn't have the balls
00:42:26.580 to weigh in right now in week six of this unprecedented criminal prosecution of the Republican nominee,
00:42:34.180 the leading presidential candidate, the former president of the United States and John Thune can't
00:42:39.380 weigh in. We don't need leaders like this in the Senate. We do not need cowards in the Senate who are
00:42:44.260 going to undermine President Trump every step of the way like these senators did.
00:42:49.300 I think the posse is going to have to step in and give his office some calls to let him know
00:42:54.660 what they think. Mike Davis, if people want to follow you, support the Article 3 Project. Where
00:42:58.820 can they go for all that? And much more. You're a good follow on Twitter.
00:43:03.700 Article 3 Project dot org. Article 3 Project dot org. You can take action,
00:43:08.660 donate and find us on social media on there. You're still riding the high of that BBC interview.
00:43:16.980 You had some wonderful shots fired, I would say, at your counterpart over the weekend and last week
00:43:24.260 with our Mike Davis. Thank you for joining us. We'll have you back soon, I'm sure. And we'll be right back.
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00:44:42.900 Welcome back to The War Room. I'm honored to be joined by Kurt Mills, a true intellectual here in
00:45:03.700 The War Room. He does great work and I thought he'd be the perfect person to bring on to walk through
00:45:08.100 everything that is going on in Iran. Obviously, you guys have seen the death right in a helicopter.
00:45:14.500 There's some mixed reporting. I know it seems like the West is suddenly embracing the sky.
00:45:20.900 The way they're mourning his death, you would think the guy was a hero. I guess they forget Iran is
00:45:27.540 one of the largest state sponsors of terrorism. But hey, if you look at what they're funding
00:45:32.740 on college campuses here, it's no surprise that they would probably support that. But
00:45:36.740 before we get into the geopolitical ramifications, I know you have some thoughts on sort of the
00:45:40.900 succession, how this is all going to play out. Your thoughts, what you're seeing, speculation,
00:45:46.020 re his death, you know, was there foul play involved? Was it truly an accident? What are your thoughts?
00:45:51.700 Yeah. So, obviously, in such a moment as a year, nobody really had the Iranian president falling
00:46:00.660 out of the sky. So this is quite the tarot card to emerge here. I think what is important to remember
00:46:08.660 is that President Raisi was functionally the second most important person in Iran. The Iranian Supreme
00:46:15.300 leader Ali Khamenei is the person who ostensibly calls the shots in the country. And there was a view
00:46:23.540 that Raisi was the next man up. The only problem was that his chief competition was Khamenei's son,
00:46:31.300 Mushtaba Khamenei. And so if there was to be foul play, I think, again, base case here, there was not.
00:46:39.700 It's a sort of rough part of the world. Helicopters are sort of notoriously unsafe,
00:46:45.300 not super clear why very important people ride in them. But if there was some sort of
00:46:53.700 subterfuge going on, the question really would anchor around who would stand to benefit the most,
00:47:00.980 which is potentially this man's rivals in Iran itself. And I think it's important to note that
00:47:08.180 the ones within the country that are around Khamenei, the sun, the impression is that they are
00:47:16.340 actually rather hard-lined. You remember the missile attack, the barrage of missile attacks that occurred
00:47:22.180 a couple of weeks ago on Israel? Well, actually, Iran essentially telegraphed the attack ahead of time.
00:47:28.580 Ninety-nine percent of the missiles were intercepted. It was basically an entirely cosmetic strike from Iran.
00:47:36.340 That has real consequences, that there are those in the country itself, particularly, of course,
00:47:42.020 the regime, that wants to see something more akin to a holy war with the West. And they have not gotten
00:47:48.500 it, right? Donald Trump took out Qasem Soleimani in early 2020, basically an entirely cosmetic response
00:47:57.700 from the Iranians. We have not seen the real bite from this country in some time and begs the question,
00:48:04.500 is this the moment where that could actually happen?
00:48:08.820 So what are the ramifications for this from the United States' perspective? Do you think you're
00:48:12.900 going to see Iran double down, become more radical? Is there going to be, you know,
00:48:17.460 when it comes to Israel? How do you think this is going to play out? We only got a few minutes. We'll
00:48:20.820 have you back to walk through it more. But just kind of from a bird's eye view, how do you think this is
00:48:25.060 going to affect the region? I think the real question here is, does the calculus change
00:48:31.540 where these actors are no longer waiting for the election? I think the base case was that Netanyahu
00:48:37.780 in Israel was waiting to see the result of the election. The base case was that Putin was waiting
00:48:42.820 to see the result of the American election. And the base case was the Iranians themselves were trying
00:48:47.780 to figure out if they even had an American administration to negotiate with. But, you
00:48:52.020 know, six months or five and a half months is a long time. And if the Supreme Leader were to die
00:48:58.660 and there were to be a succession crisis, and initially the Iranians have every reason to believe
00:49:04.500 that Trump would be bad news for them, although potentially not as bad news as a more hawkish Republican
00:49:10.900 or a more neoconservative Republican would be, do they want to reshuffle the deck now? And this kind
00:49:17.220 of event does raise the question of whether or not we would see rapid escalation in the region ahead of
00:49:23.540 November. Kurt, if people want to follow you, read your work, like I said, we'll have you back. Sorry,
00:49:30.580 we got cut short. But if people want to do all that, support your work, where can they go to do all
00:49:35.380 that? Sure. Please check out the website, theamericanconservative.com, a great magazine
00:49:40.660 founded 22 years ago. You can read my work at at C-U-R-T-M-I-L-S on X slash Twitter. You know,
00:49:49.780 I think if you really want to understand the sort of ideological valances, the debates that are going
00:49:55.140 on in the Trump right in any kind of in-depth way were your resource. Before I ever had you on the
00:50:03.380 show, I first came to you through your epic takes on Twitter. So I highly recommend following him.
00:50:08.580 Kurt, thank you so much for joining us. Appreciate it, Natalie.
00:50:13.460 Of course. Someone else who always has hot takes and hot deals for us in the war room is, of course,
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