Episode 3624: The Vatican Encourages The Illegal Invasion Of America
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In this episode of The War Room, we take a look at what's happening around the world, and at home, in terms of censorship, and what's being done to combat it. We talk to Samir Chaudhuri, the founder of the Digital Services Act, a group dedicated to fighting censorship, about what's going on overseas, and why we should be worried about it.
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For Europe right now, I think that I would feel pretty defeated and despondent in this moment.
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It has certainly become much, much more difficult for outside researchers to do the sorts of, right, of the options that you list, Samir, to actually engage directly with people at the platforms because there are simply fewer of them, right?
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We spent literally years building up relationships with good folks at all of these platforms who are trying to do the right thing, and for the most part, they're gone, right?
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It's really, really difficult to know who to reach out to, who to work with.
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If it weren't for the European Union and the Digital Services Act, I don't know that we'd have much hope of rectifying that situation at all.
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But given the sort of requirements that for performing risk assessments, for sharing more transparent information with the public, and crucially for sharing data with researchers, I do think that we still have some options for leverage to continue the work that we've been doing.
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And hopefully, ultimately, that leads to a sort of restaffing of some of these positions, increased focus again, as the DSA begins to come into force, and the platforms feel the real pressure of actual enforcement action.
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Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people.
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I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.
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I know you've tried to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.
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And where do people like that go to share the big line?
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I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
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Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
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If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
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I know we may have hair that is similar lengths, but it is not him today.
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Steve will be back for the 6th, but in the meantime, don't go anywhere.
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We have a very packed show for you, whether it's the border, the invasion that's going
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on there, or frankly, the invasion that is going on on our social media platforms with
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censors and those who say everything that we spread on this show is misinformation.
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I don't know if you guys caught the opening clip provided by the one and only Mike Benz.
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They're not just coming after us here in the United States.
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The EU is cracking down with some new draconian censorship laws, too.
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Mike, if you want to walk the audience through what they just watched, we can start our discussion
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on what is going on overseas, and then I guess it would be America first to start with
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But we'll start with the EU, and then we'll bring it back home.
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Yeah, that clip was a censorship planning meeting that involved some people at the
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highest levels of thought leadership in the censorship industry.
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Speaking there was Rebecca Tremblay, who was the head of managing toxic conversations
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for Twitter 1.0, and right by her side on that panel was Dean Jackson from the National
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The National Endowment for Democracy is probably the most prolific CIA cutout in the entire swarm
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It was created in 1983 under a letter by CIA Director Bill Colby that they wanted to reassert
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the same kind of soft power control powers the CIA used to have in the 1960s, but that
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there were too many scandals with people getting caught being funded by the CIA, so they wanted
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to create a national endowment for democracy to do it.
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So you basically have a CIA cutout in the planning room there, and then you also had Katie Harbath
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there, who was from the International Republican Institute, which is the GOP branch of that same
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So you basically have a bunch of censors and spooks in a room talking about how after Elon
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Musk acquired Twitter and after some of the scandals of last year, they claimed in that clip that
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they'd spent years staffing up the social media companies with censors who would do their bidding,
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who would censor the kinds of political content they didn't want to go viral online or popular
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They said it took years for us to build that up.
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And then in one fell swoop, Elon Musk fired 85 to 90 percent of them.
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But fortunately, we have an ace up our sleeve, and that is something called the DSA, the Digital
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Services Act, the EU Digital Services Act, or as I hope you will come to see it, the sort
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And as the speaker said in that clip, their hope is that this new EU censorship law will
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force the restaffing of the fired censors as the social media companies begin to feel the
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Now, I'll tell you, I dealt with this personally when I was at the State Department, and I got
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phone calls from Google lobbyists telling me that the EU Digital Services Act is the number
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one threat to their business model, Google's business model, over the next five years.
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So it's a trillion-dollar company whose biggest fear is this one EU law who only the State
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Department can protect them from through negotiations and through bringing the diplomatic pressure
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And it was actually for this reason in the YouTube files that Jim Jordan actually just unearthed
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about a week ago from the subpoenas under the House Judiciary Committee that YouTube
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and Facebook were censoring what the White House asked because they wanted to be in the
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good graces to continue to do work with them on multiple policy fronts.
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And Michael Schellenberger's documents also revealed they specifically feared that if they
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didn't censor what the government wanted, the State Department would not protect them from
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There's a lot more here in the whole history of it, but that's just an overview.
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I remember I had published a story a few years ago when it was tracking from the USAspending.gov
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database itemized terms, whether it was misinformation, disinformation, or conspiracy theory.
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And it wasn't really something that the U.S. government was interested in funding, either in the form
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of educational grants or actual contracts to combat, or at least it really saw a massive uptick
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come 2016, especially post-Trump victory, right?
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And there was a lot of interlinking between censorship and these populist causes.
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I'm inclined to think of a pretty infamous National Science Foundation grant that they
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were doling out money to U.S. researchers to figure out how to quash populism.
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So before we get into the developments on the United States front, just taking a step back,
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I'm just curious from your kind of meta perspective, is all of this censorship madness something that
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Or is this something that with the victory of Trump, with sort of the spread, the, I would
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say, liberalization, in the good sense of the word, of being able to, you know, just start
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an account on X, right, and post stories that go against the mainstream narrative, shows like
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War Room, is it something that they've had to adapt? Like, how has this been formulated?
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I would say that the birth of censorship as an industry happened with the 2016 election. In fact,
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in their own, in the literature of disinformation studies, they frequently sort of
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harken back to the 2016 election as being the catalyst for the development of disinformation
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studies as a field and the censorship industry by proxy. Although I would note that this, this goes
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back sometime before it, there was a kind of primordial soup stage. So, you know, without
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offering any opinion one way or another as to the events of 9-11, there's an interesting sort of
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story on the origins of censorship industry infrastructure around that time. You had, so
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currently, the head of USAID is Samantha Power. Her husband is Cass Sunstein, who is a Harvard
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professor and has worked in doing counterinsurgency and psychological operations work. And he penned a,
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he penned an essay in 2008 called Conspiracy Theories. I think it was in the Harvard Law Review
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that he published this. But this essay called Conspiracy Theories, and then a book he would come
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to write on it called Nudge, was in 2008. And this was about two years after YouTube came out.
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You know, so 9-11 happened on, in 2001, but then YouTube came out in 2005. It was acquired by Google
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in 2006. And in that period between 2006 and 2008, there were a lot of conspiracy theories about 9-11
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spreading on the internet. And Cass Sunstein, who is now partnered with the Department of Homeland
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Security, and his wife is now the head of all, basically, soft power influence for the U.S.
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government. The USAID admin has a permanent position on the National Security Council,
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you know, basically on par with the CIA and the DOD. And in this essay, he wrote that the spread of
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conspiracy theories about 9-11 was causing the United States to suffer international blowback,
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and it was diminishing the legitimacy of the war in Afghanistan and the toppling of Iraq.
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And so at that point, he basically proposed a number of ways to infiltrate the online movement.
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Now, he didn't propose censorship at that time. He was proposing a sort of these nudge tactics,
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some of which involved cognitive infiltration, basically having federal agents descend on,
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you know, into these communities and swing them, you know, towards the way the government wanted,
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which was—now, this essay drew a lot of flack, but it wouldn't be until the twin events of the Arab
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Spring and Occupy Wall Street in 2011 that would really—2010 that really kind of exploded government
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research into mis and disinformation. They were very much pro the Arab Spring. That was very much
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a CIA State Department operation through and through, organizing rent-to-riots using Twitter
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hashtags and Facebook pages. But they were very much upset about Occupy Wall Street and the use of
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social media in order to—in order to galvanize these anti-banker protests here on the homeland.
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And so at that point, DARPA began to take a very serious interest in the spread of misinformation
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online and began commissioning tens of millions of dollars of research grants to stopping the spread
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of misinformation. But they didn't yet have the architecture to hook that research up to and the
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connections that the social media company, the domination of their ranks to be able to actually pull
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off the censorship. That would come starting in 2014 with the loss of Crimea after the CIA coup in Maidan,
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Ukraine, and then the counter-coup backed by Russia later that year, resulted in—ultimately in the
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annexation of Crimea under a referendum for Crimea to join the Russian Federation. And it was at that point
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that DARPA's interest in conspiracy theories and misinformation joined up with a new infrastructure
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that was then seeded into the tech companies, which is that at that—when the counter-coup happened
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and Ukraine broke apart in a civil war and the entire eastern half of Ukraine said,
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we're a breakaway region, we're not a part of this new Kiev government, the military went into a panic
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that they had lost this war not because of boots on the ground, but because they had lost the hearts
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and minds of the Ukrainian people. And it was at that point that the military decided to hook up this
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long-time interest in mis- and dis-information on the internet and conspiracy theories to actual
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literal control over it by this sort of NATO-wide pan-transatlantic military move into the content
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moderation space. And then when the 2016 election happened here in the U.S., you can imagine what
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the reaction was to that. It all exploded and it came home in a heartbeat. And we've only got a few
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minutes, but if you want to start a little bit on what Google is doing, we know they love to outsource
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it to ostensibly private companies, but they're of course doing the bidding of all the censorship,
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or maybe it's the other way around. But what is Google doing ahead of the 2024 election?
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So Google has already promised the EU that they're going to be implementing these new and improved
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scan and ban AI censorship techniques to remove election misinformation all across Europe. They've
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already removed 35,000 YouTube videos for election misinformation, which is something of a redux of
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what they were doing for the 2020 election when they banned any video that delegitimized the perceived
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legitimacy of mail-in ballots. But at this point, Google has tried to, after Elon Musk freed up Twitter,
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both Facebook and YouTube have started to relax in small ways some other terms of services about how
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they can actually, what is a speech violation when it comes to election misinformation. And right now,
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we're waiting for these new EU censorship law regulations to be finalized. But you can bet that
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whatever the trending narrative comes to be in the media or in the major think tank sphere over the next
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several months about, because part of this comes down to what is the op going to be?
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If this lawfare tactic against Trump fails and he ends up surviving them, what trick are they going
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to use to try to, let's just say, endanger the security of the election? And now I suspect that there will
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be issues around- And Mike, we're coming up against a break. I would hold you because you're getting to
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the good stuff, but I know you've got to bounce. I'll have you back on the next time I host though.
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If people want to follow you, you, maybe you can pick up where he left off on Twitter. Uh,
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Yep. On, on the X at Mike Ben cyber. One word is the best place.
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I'm such a, a boomer and a Luddite. I keep calling it Twitter. I don't know. I call it
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Welcome back to The War Room. It was a busy week last week for The War Room Posse when it came to all
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things Congress. You know, we got a special shout out. I got my own special shout out. I'm curious how
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I managed to find time to host this show in between being a, uh, congressionally certified
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Trump lackey and sycophant. That's a good one. Um, but in more important news, we also had,
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of course, one of the leading voices on immigration members of The War Room Posse,
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uh, Todd Benzman testified, uh, on how Chinese nationals are invading this country,
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being aided and abetted by, of course, the Biden regime, also known as business partners of the
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Chinese Communist Party, a la Hunter Biden and a bunch of other Biden family members. Um, but Todd,
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before we get into what you did on the Chinese Communist Party front, I know there's some breaking
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news. You got the developing undercurrents. You see the swamp rearing its ugly head again. They're
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reintroducing the so-called bipartisan. I say, whenever you hear that word, that's always a bad sign.
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That's not a selling point, especially when it comes to immigration. Um, but they've reintroduced
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a bipartisan border bill, maybe a vote on Wednesday. Senator Schumer has, can you just walk us through
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kind of what you're hearing behind the scenes on that, but more importantly, why it is such a
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disaster and why we should not support it? Well, first of all, understand that the reason they're
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bringing this back is because they got so much political traction out of the narrative that the
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Republicans killed this great border control bill, uh, because theoretically, uh, the way the
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narrative goes is that, uh, you know, the Republicans don't want to fix the border because they want it
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as a festering political issue in time for the November election. But the reality is that they want
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to bring it back again to keep that narrative going. They did well with it. A lot of people believed
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them. The truth is that the bill is awful. It does the exact opposite of border control because
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it lets everyone in. When you let everyone in, you don't control the border. You invite
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more to come to get in, except in this case, it legislates, uh, it puts in place legislation that
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maybe a future president Trump won't be so, uh, won't be able to undo, uh, very easily. Uh,
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if the Democrats were serious, they would stop blocking HR two, which is the beautiful, uh, impactful
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piece of legislation that came out of the house that the Democrats in the Senate are constantly
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blocking. They will not consider it. They won't debate HR two and HR two, uh, works. And it's the,
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the reason why they, they won't let it advance is because it detains, deports, closes all the
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incentivizing loopholes, actually does something real at the border. And that's the one, of course,
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they don't want. They want this other, uh, piece of trash. It's basically, you know, it's,
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it's toilet paper, this thing, uh, they're going to bring that back.
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So a lot of the refrain is that this is, you know, Democrats trying to position themselves
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as tough on the border ahead of the election. Um, but is that a fair, yeah, is that a fair
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spin? I would think they would want to go a little bit harder if that was the, uh, the course they
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were going for. What they're doing really is they're, they're relying on the fact that most
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Americans don't understand the complexities of illegal immigration and, and, and how border
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control works and that they're, and they've succeeded in, in sort of harnessing that general
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ignorance. Uh, that's, what's going on here. People just don't understand, well, they're going
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to shorten the asylum, uh, adjudication time. So we'll short. The problem is that they're releasing
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them for 180 days. You can't release them for even one day because they disappear. So
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that's the kind of thing. And people don't really, I think in a broad way, understand these kind of
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basic dynamics of immigration law. And when it comes to the Chinese communist party migrant issue,
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again, that's too euphemistic a term. We know they operate under the terms of, uh, unrestricted
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warfare. These people are invaders and the Biden regime is purposely omitting questions to see
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whether or not these people are actually sworn members of the Chinese communist party. I think
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it was also if they had firearm experience, can you give the audience just a little preview of what,
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what you spoke about? But I think more importantly, you know, we're, uh, critics here of, of the house
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here in the war room, but where you think they're going on this issue, if there's any substantive
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legislation or change that you think is going to come of it.
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Well, 50,000 Chinese nationals have now crossed our border, uh, since Biden took office because
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we just catch and release them immediately. All Chinese get to stay. And so, you know,
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the whole mainland knows this now, and they're coming to take advantage of it before the Americans
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wake up and, and go, Oh, what have we done? You know, this is so stupid. Uh, and, and as a result,
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the rate of their entries is escalated to such a point that it now looks like by the end of this
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year, we'll have had 100,000 Chinese nationals enter the U S and that's a point of legitimate
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debate to have given the fact that the Chinese communist party, the government there is, you
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know, adversarial and wants to unseat and destroy the United States and replace it as a global,
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the global power. And that they're using, uh, rapacious espionage operations inside the United
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States to do it. Now in the past, they've been using mainly legal visa processes to fly in legally
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under student visas and then sneak into research institutions and steal all our stuff. But we've
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cracked down on that. Donald Trump did, uh, you know, dozens of, uh, prosecutions and that's hot
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now. Not so easy to get in that way. Uh, there's, there's people are watching that. So all of a sudden
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the administration, the Biden administration hands out this golden ticket at the border. Everybody gets
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in all the Chinese nationals get in. So of course, and I testified that, you know, there's the Chinese
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intelligence services undoubtedly put Chinese spies and agents of, uh, uh, intelligence into the country
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this way. Uh, of course they would. And that was kind of the gist of what I had to say, but I also
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wanted to point out that the tens of thousands of Chinese nationals that may just be coming here
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merely to live and work because it's better here are committing mass asylum fraud. We're finding
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their, their broken and torn apart passports all over the borderlands. They're tossing them because
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they're committing asylum fraud. Uh, those passports contain stamps of countries that were safe.
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They passed right through them to get to our country, which is an ineligibility. They're
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throwing down their Mexican, uh, asylum cards on the ground too, that they, the Mexicans just gave them
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asylum. They can't get caught with those either because it's an ineligibility. So even though the
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ones that are not spies are problematic and could be prosecuted under another administration, wink.
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Just curious whether your testimony or from the other people who were involved in this hearing,
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you know, obviously we're strong adherents, or at least we understand right. Unrestricted
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warfare. We think COVID-19 was, was a bioweapon. I obviously the Chinese communist party perpetuates
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economic warfare. There's a myriad of ways that they've been waging war on the United States for
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decades. And our elites frankly have been complicit and allowed it to happen. But why do they think the
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Chinese communist party is sort of storming the border with people? I know it was announced.
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What was it just two weeks ago that the Chinese communist party was again going to start
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collaborating with the Biden regime on deported Chinese nationals. It was sort of a weird
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story. I don't understand where the Chinese communist party would have any influence over
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American border operations, but you know, is there any, you know, threat or risk that these people
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are sleeper cells, that they pose a risk to our national security?
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Well, I went into a lot of detail. You can find my long form written testimony at cis.org center
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for immigration studies. Uh, we've got it posted up there as well as the, uh, the video, but you
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know, I just default to the U S intelligence community's own assessments for 2023 and 2024.
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It's the ODNI office of the, um, national director of intelligence and DHS intelligence and analysis.
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They have these assessments out there that say point blank that the Chinese communist party
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is putting operatives in here to conduct, uh, political suppression campaigns against Chinese
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Americans that live here. Uh, they have these, um, unsanctioned police stations that they man,
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and they use to identify and physically assault and physically intimidate people in the United States
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that are critical of the Chinese communist party. Um, that's in addition to the rapacious economic
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espionage that they've been conducting for years already at all of our research institutes and elite
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universities, which plenty of those who cross the border will eventually gravitate into and start
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and doing God knows what with them. Uh, all of this is part of a grand strategic
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game that the Chinese are saying are playing according to these public intelligence assessments,
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which I believe I can't imagine why. Yeah. On the other side, we're coming up against a break. So I,
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I gotta let you go. But if people want to follow you, watch the testimony, get the book,
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which I know you go into this and much more detail, uh, where can they go to do all that?
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That's right. Uh, CIS.org. You can find all my work and go to Todd Benzman.com. If you want to
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sign onto my newsletter and follow me on all my social media, it's all right there on the page.
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And I appreciate, um, you giving me some time here today.
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Of course. I'm sorry. I had to cut you off. I had to cut you and Mike Benz off
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just when it was getting good. Not that it's always good, but it was getting better.
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We'll have you back soon. Okay. It's hard for me to interrupt people. I know Steve is
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Welcome back to The War Room. We've got live coverage outside of the New York courthouse. I
00:29:45.860
know we could be in China. It could be the Chinese Communist Party, what they're doing,
00:29:48.740
what they're putting President Trump through. But it is the United States. Luckily, we got Andrew
00:29:52.740
Giuliani and David Zeer there breaking everything down for us, guys. We know it's been an explosive day.
00:29:57.940
Michael Cohen, I guess, admitted to stealing tens of thousands of dollars from the Trump organization.
00:30:03.220
I'd say that's an unforced error. But walk us through everything that kind of went down today
00:30:08.340
and looking ahead with Costello coming up as a witness, what you think we have to look for downrange.
00:30:15.220
Well, Natalie, good afternoon. I'm here with Andrew. And while 545 people were raped since the
00:30:21.300
beginning of the year in New York and 27,000 people almost assaulted, misdemeanor felony assaults,
00:30:27.220
we're stuck in here in the courtroom. And so was Donald Trump. And explosive fireworks today.
00:30:33.780
Blanche gets Michael Cohen to say that he stole from Trump. But it got crazier. And Andrew can fill
00:30:40.580
you in because I had to step out of the courtroom after Rob Costello took the stand. And basically,
00:30:46.580
I heard him say, geez. And when every question that was asked to him, the prosecution objected,
00:30:53.380
and the judge kept saying sustained. So, Andrew, take it from there.
00:30:56.340
Yeah. So, Natalie, we get to the end of the day here at this point, and Costello gets called as a
00:31:01.380
witness. We weren't expecting him to get called. We weren't sure if the defense was going to go there
00:31:05.060
or if they were going to pretty much rest with Cohen being kind of the lasting image to the jury there.
00:31:09.940
But they decide to go with Robert Costello. There's a little bit of a gasp from the media at that
00:31:14.820
point. Anyway, fast forwarding to a point where Mershon continues to sustain the prosecution's
00:31:23.540
objections. Right after about five minutes into that, Costello says to a hot mic, as the lawyers
00:31:29.940
have approached Mershon's bench, ridiculous. Nobody says anything, but you could obviously hear that.
00:31:35.140
A couple of minutes later, after a few more sustained objections, he says, geez. The judge then looks at
00:31:42.580
Costello. I heard that. He did a double take. He heard that. He did a double take. He said, excuse
00:31:46.420
me. He said, I'm sorry. And then after another sustained objection, a couple of minutes later,
00:31:51.060
there was a there was a deep breath, a frustrated, deep breath. And the judge then said to Costello
00:31:57.700
at that point that if you went, he admonished Costello. Costello said, yeah. And then the judge
00:32:03.860
actually asked Costello if he was staring him down, similar to this, staring him down right there.
00:32:09.860
That's when the judge cleared the courtroom completely and basically just left the courtroom
00:32:14.740
for the prosecution, for the defense and for Costello along with him. And admonished Costello further.
00:32:21.060
I assume he did. We don't know. That's off the record. The judge obviously was kind of breaking the
00:32:26.180
fourth rail at that point of being the judge. But my goodness was there fireworks there. And actually,
00:32:32.180
you wonder if it does in some way distract a little bit from Cohen and how terrible of a witness
00:32:38.020
that he was. But Costello was obviously showing the same respect for this judge that this judge
00:32:43.700
has shown for the rule of law over the last month and a half year, which is absolutely none.
00:32:47.780
Yeah. And Natalie, I just wanted to add the same thing. The scope of questioning,
00:32:51.380
the narrow questioning that the defense is allowed to ask is so limiting, just like they want to bring
00:32:57.060
Brad Smith, former FEC commissioner who can explain why this doesn't belong in a state
00:33:02.100
court and explain the 75-10 at the state level. And that the reason why there's no crime here and
00:33:09.700
there's no predicate for what's going on, the defense is not allowed to ask any questions. Right,
00:33:15.380
Andrew? Yeah, that's exactly right. They always limit the scope, it seems like. And certainly with
00:33:19.780
Costello, they have really, really limited the scope. Now, what you could say is that could
00:33:24.740
potentially actually hurt the prosecution because it then limits the scope of questions that they can
00:33:30.660
ask about, because you could ask Robert Costello about a guy I know pretty well, Rudy Giuliani,
00:33:34.900
you could ask about Ukraine. You could take it in all different kinds of directions that, again,
00:33:39.540
further distracts the jury from actually what was one of the worst pieces of testimony I think
00:33:45.220
I've seen in my life, which was Michael Cohen. Probably in all likelihood, I'm virtually certain
00:33:50.820
that he perjured himself up there when you talk about that 96-second phone call that he originally
00:33:55.940
testified was about Stormy Daniels, that he had to change his testimony that was actually both
00:34:00.580
about a 14-year-old who stalked him and Stormy Daniels, and he talked to two people in the
00:34:06.260
course of 90 seconds. David? Yeah, and one more quick point, Natalie. Andrew pointed out earlier,
00:34:11.300
Judge Mershon wants this trial to go into next week now, and maybe he's trying to get
00:34:17.460
the explosive testimony of Michael Cohen kind of in the back seat so the jury doesn't,
00:34:22.180
you know, they kind of forget about it, right? Yeah, and one more thing to that point,
00:34:26.500
Mershon late last week was trying to rush this basically, saying get your summations
00:34:31.540
ready for Tuesday, and now at some point early in the day today, he said we're going to stretch
00:34:37.060
this out another week. Now we're back here to looking at summations potentially by tomorrow.
00:34:42.820
Actually, it should be on Tuesday, right? That was a little bit unclear in terms of the timing,
00:34:47.140
but I think the defense will probably end up wrapping up their case by tomorrow.
00:34:53.060
Back to you, Natalie. Obviously, lots of perjury going on. What is it? Six felonies that Michael
00:34:59.380
Cohen admitted to under oath, but specifically today, you could tell there was a moment that
00:35:04.020
really struck a chord. I think you had one of the MSNBC analysts saying that actually Michael Cohen didn't
00:35:10.820
steal tens of thousands of dollars. He was just trying to take a bonus that he felt he was owed,
00:35:16.260
that he felt he deserved. Can you walk us through that moment in the courtroom,
00:35:21.140
what he admitted to for those in the audience who don't know what I'm referencing?
00:35:26.580
Yeah, well, Lawrence O'Donnell said that stealing isn't really stealing,
00:35:30.500
and it was really crazy because Todd Blanche did a great job of telling everyone a story in that
00:35:37.460
courtroom that the only one who's ever made money from all of this, good or bad, in Trump's favor or
00:35:42.340
against Trump is Michael Cohen making $4.6 million since 2020, making millions of dollars under the
00:35:48.900
Trump Organization for nine years. And then I think he really showed that he's about the money here.
00:35:59.140
Yeah, and Natalie, you bring up MSNBC, and I have to tell you, coming down the elevator after the
00:36:05.220
morning break there, I was in the elevator with an MSNBC reporter, we'll call it a reporter,
00:36:10.340
because they introduced themselves to me. They asked what I thought. I said I thought that Cohen
00:36:13.780
was a disastrous witness. They said they thought that Cohen was a disciplined witness. I reminded him
00:36:18.740
that he had to change his testimony with regard to this 96-second phone call from being about one
00:36:24.100
subject with one person to two subjects with two people right there. And they said there was no way
00:36:30.180
that you could prove that before I could actually get it out and the doors closed. I couldn't have the
00:36:35.940
opportunity to remind them that it's actually President Trump who is on the stand here and is
00:36:40.180
the prosecution, I should say his defendant, and is the prosecution's job to prove without beyond any
00:36:46.340
doubt that Donald Trump actually committed these. There's no way you could do this, Natalie, now looking
00:36:51.060
at Michael Cohen being the linchpin to all of this. Yeah, and he also established, Todd Blanche was
00:36:56.420
successful in establishing that Michael Cohen did a lot of legal work. Not only did he do legal work for
00:37:03.140
Trump, he said this was just reimbursement, these 12 payments for $35K a month, but he was helping
00:37:08.820
Melania Trump, he was helping Tiffany Trump, he was helping Donald Trump, and he was also making
00:37:13.620
money off of clients like AT&T that Trump introduced him to and other clients, making a lot of money,
00:37:19.140
doing a lot of legal work for the Trump team, right? Yeah, and the point that they also pointed out
00:37:23.540
too was just that Cohen, as you said, went out all that money right there that he had made,
00:37:29.460
but Cohen also had a motive and has a motive to see Donald Trump behind bars, talking about
00:37:35.300
even his merchandise, that Convict 45 gear that Michael Cohen is selling there, talking about how
00:37:40.900
it would be beneficial for his mea culpa podcast, for the potential show that he is pitching called
00:37:46.180
The Fixer, if he is the one that could put Donald Trump behind bars.
00:37:52.180
Guys, thank you so much for that analysis, we've got to let you go. If people want to follow the
00:38:01.460
I'm at Dave Zier on Twitter, at David Zier on everything else, and Andrew?
00:38:06.180
At Andrew H. Giuliani, we'll be live tweeting, live truthing, and live xing tomorrow from the
00:38:12.340
courthouse as well, so stay tuned. You'll want to see the fireworks again with Bob Costello coming up
00:38:16.980
first thing in the morning. Thank you, and condolences for sharing an elevator with someone
00:38:22.820
from MSNBC. You guys have a good one, be safe. War Room Posse, as much as every time we have Mike
00:38:32.820
Davis on, I would love to cold open with his infamous interview from the BBC. We don't have time to do
00:38:38.980
that today. But Mike Davis, your thoughts on everything that went down in New York today?
00:38:44.020
This is a train wreck of a criminal prosecution for the Soros-funded Manhattan DA, Alvin Bragg.
00:38:52.820
They still have not told President Trump what the legal allegations are in this case in week
00:38:58.180
six of this trial. This is clearly a political hit, as we've been talking about for many months.
00:39:04.660
You have Matthew Colangelo deploying from the number three office in the Biden Justice Department
00:39:10.180
to bring this bogus case that the prior Manhattan DA, the Manhattan US Attorney, the Federal Election
00:39:15.620
Commission, and Bragg himself declined to bring, even after Bragg campaigned on getting Trump,
00:39:20.740
this case was so bad that Bragg didn't want to bring it. The star witnesses are Stormy Daniels,
00:39:26.580
a Bembo porn star who has changed her story many times, who has, as her penned tweet, her porn site,
00:39:34.900
where she's raising money from this trial. You have Michael Cohen, this disbarred,
00:39:40.500
disgraced, serial perjurer, and convicted felon who's changed his story many times. He's raising
00:39:48.660
money on TikTok, trashing Trump. We just learned today he admitted to embezzling funds from President
00:39:56.900
Trump, $60,000 from President Trump. They don't have a case here. The problem is this process is so
00:40:03.220
rigged. You have a Manhattan Democrat, Judge Juan Mershon, who's an adult daughter. He donated to
00:40:09.700
Biden. He donated to another anti-Trump cause. He just got reprimanded, we learned, from the New
00:40:14.740
York judicial system several months ago. It just came out. But he didn't step down. He didn't step
00:40:19.860
aside. He didn't recuse, even after we learned, his daughter, Lauren Mershon, is raising millions of
00:40:25.860
dollars as a Democrat fundraiser and consultant for Biden, Kamala Harris, Adam Schiff, many other
00:40:31.620
Democrats. She's raising money off this case, requiring his recusal. Because guess what? If
00:40:37.220
he does not, if Judge Mershon does not deliver a guilty verdict and a conviction, then his daughter
00:40:43.220
stands to lose a lot of business from these Biden Democrats. And so he's clearly convicted under New
00:40:48.660
York statute. He refuses to recuse. Instead, he actually, he expanded this illegal, unconstitutional
00:40:56.500
gag order. He retaliated against President Trump for merely raising the fact that he has a conflict
00:41:02.580
of interest with his daughter's financial stake in this criminal prosecution. He's corrupt. He is,
00:41:08.420
this is a corrupt judge with these partisan prosecutors and these lying witnesses. Trump can't
00:41:15.780
even talk about the fact that this Manhattan jury pool voted 87 percent for Joe Biden. If Trump mentions
00:41:21.620
that, he goes to jail. If Trump's campaign mentions that, Trump goes to jail. Trump's campaign can't
00:41:27.620
even post a New York Times story, for example, that mentions Colangelo or Lauren Mershon or Stormy
00:41:34.900
Daniels or Michael Cohen or 87 percent Democrat jury pool or Trump goes to jail. They rigged the jury
00:41:42.900
selection process. Colangelo Bragg and Judge Mershon rigged the jury selection process to weed out
00:41:49.780
Trump, the people who followed Trump on social media. So the three people in Manhattan who
00:41:54.740
followed Trump on social media, but they didn't weed out people who followed Biden. And I would say this,
00:42:01.620
Senator John Thune from South Dakota was just asked today about this trial. And he said, quote,
00:42:09.060
we'll see how the trial comes out. I'm not weighing in on that. Are you kidding me? This is the guy who is
00:42:16.420
being tapped to be the Senate majority leader. If President Trump wins back the White House,
00:42:21.940
John Thune is going to be the Senate majority leader. And this guy doesn't have the balls
00:42:26.580
to weigh in right now in week six of this unprecedented criminal prosecution of the Republican nominee,
00:42:34.180
the leading presidential candidate, the former president of the United States and John Thune can't
00:42:39.380
weigh in. We don't need leaders like this in the Senate. We do not need cowards in the Senate who are
00:42:44.260
going to undermine President Trump every step of the way like these senators did.
00:42:49.300
I think the posse is going to have to step in and give his office some calls to let him know
00:42:54.660
what they think. Mike Davis, if people want to follow you, support the Article 3 Project. Where
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can they go for all that? And much more. You're a good follow on Twitter.
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Article 3 Project dot org. Article 3 Project dot org. You can take action,
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donate and find us on social media on there. You're still riding the high of that BBC interview.
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You had some wonderful shots fired, I would say, at your counterpart over the weekend and last week
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with our Mike Davis. Thank you for joining us. We'll have you back soon, I'm sure. And we'll be right back.
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Welcome back to The War Room. I'm honored to be joined by Kurt Mills, a true intellectual here in
00:45:03.700
The War Room. He does great work and I thought he'd be the perfect person to bring on to walk through
00:45:08.100
everything that is going on in Iran. Obviously, you guys have seen the death right in a helicopter.
00:45:14.500
There's some mixed reporting. I know it seems like the West is suddenly embracing the sky.
00:45:20.900
The way they're mourning his death, you would think the guy was a hero. I guess they forget Iran is
00:45:27.540
one of the largest state sponsors of terrorism. But hey, if you look at what they're funding
00:45:32.740
on college campuses here, it's no surprise that they would probably support that. But
00:45:36.740
before we get into the geopolitical ramifications, I know you have some thoughts on sort of the
00:45:40.900
succession, how this is all going to play out. Your thoughts, what you're seeing, speculation,
00:45:46.020
re his death, you know, was there foul play involved? Was it truly an accident? What are your thoughts?
00:45:51.700
Yeah. So, obviously, in such a moment as a year, nobody really had the Iranian president falling
00:46:00.660
out of the sky. So this is quite the tarot card to emerge here. I think what is important to remember
00:46:08.660
is that President Raisi was functionally the second most important person in Iran. The Iranian Supreme
00:46:15.300
leader Ali Khamenei is the person who ostensibly calls the shots in the country. And there was a view
00:46:23.540
that Raisi was the next man up. The only problem was that his chief competition was Khamenei's son,
00:46:31.300
Mushtaba Khamenei. And so if there was to be foul play, I think, again, base case here, there was not.
00:46:39.700
It's a sort of rough part of the world. Helicopters are sort of notoriously unsafe,
00:46:45.300
not super clear why very important people ride in them. But if there was some sort of
00:46:53.700
subterfuge going on, the question really would anchor around who would stand to benefit the most,
00:47:00.980
which is potentially this man's rivals in Iran itself. And I think it's important to note that
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the ones within the country that are around Khamenei, the sun, the impression is that they are
00:47:16.340
actually rather hard-lined. You remember the missile attack, the barrage of missile attacks that occurred
00:47:22.180
a couple of weeks ago on Israel? Well, actually, Iran essentially telegraphed the attack ahead of time.
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Ninety-nine percent of the missiles were intercepted. It was basically an entirely cosmetic strike from Iran.
00:47:36.340
That has real consequences, that there are those in the country itself, particularly, of course,
00:47:42.020
the regime, that wants to see something more akin to a holy war with the West. And they have not gotten
00:47:48.500
it, right? Donald Trump took out Qasem Soleimani in early 2020, basically an entirely cosmetic response
00:47:57.700
from the Iranians. We have not seen the real bite from this country in some time and begs the question,
00:48:04.500
is this the moment where that could actually happen?
00:48:08.820
So what are the ramifications for this from the United States' perspective? Do you think you're
00:48:12.900
going to see Iran double down, become more radical? Is there going to be, you know,
00:48:17.460
when it comes to Israel? How do you think this is going to play out? We only got a few minutes. We'll
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have you back to walk through it more. But just kind of from a bird's eye view, how do you think this is
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going to affect the region? I think the real question here is, does the calculus change
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where these actors are no longer waiting for the election? I think the base case was that Netanyahu
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in Israel was waiting to see the result of the election. The base case was that Putin was waiting
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to see the result of the American election. And the base case was the Iranians themselves were trying
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to figure out if they even had an American administration to negotiate with. But, you
00:48:52.020
know, six months or five and a half months is a long time. And if the Supreme Leader were to die
00:48:58.660
and there were to be a succession crisis, and initially the Iranians have every reason to believe
00:49:04.500
that Trump would be bad news for them, although potentially not as bad news as a more hawkish Republican
00:49:10.900
or a more neoconservative Republican would be, do they want to reshuffle the deck now? And this kind
00:49:17.220
of event does raise the question of whether or not we would see rapid escalation in the region ahead of
00:49:23.540
November. Kurt, if people want to follow you, read your work, like I said, we'll have you back. Sorry,
00:49:30.580
we got cut short. But if people want to do all that, support your work, where can they go to do all
00:49:35.380
that? Sure. Please check out the website, theamericanconservative.com, a great magazine
00:49:40.660
founded 22 years ago. You can read my work at at C-U-R-T-M-I-L-S on X slash Twitter. You know,
00:49:49.780
I think if you really want to understand the sort of ideological valances, the debates that are going
00:49:55.140
on in the Trump right in any kind of in-depth way were your resource. Before I ever had you on the
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show, I first came to you through your epic takes on Twitter. So I highly recommend following him.
00:50:08.580
Kurt, thank you so much for joining us. Appreciate it, Natalie.
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Of course. Someone else who always has hot takes and hot deals for us in the war room is, of course,
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