Episode 3657： Failure Of Jim Jordan; Giving Up The Sovereignty Of The US
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Learn English with Steven K. Fauci testified before the Select Committee investigating the spread of the HIV/AIDS pandemic in the United States in the late 1980s and early 1990s. He was a member of the House Armed Services Committee and served as the chairman of the Joint Committee on Public Health and Public Safety.
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You served your country through multiple epidemics, pandemics, and health crises.
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I do want to say I'm sorry about the threats that you have received.
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As someone who's been shot at and received threats as well, my heart goes out to you.
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Regardless of any disagreements we may have, you chose to serve, and I want to extend our
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I want to thank you publicly for working with our Dr. Skakas during Operation Warp's Feet
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and the time you spent with us and Dr. Collins.
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I also want to thank you for your willing cooperation with the Select Subcommittee.
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You have voluntarily sat for more than 14 hours of testimony and are appearing voluntarily
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This is more than we can say about other witnesses we have called, and we appreciate it.
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I'm going to go through a list of COVID mitigation measures that you supported over the course
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of the pandemic and ask you to give me a yes or no as to whether you believe these measures
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Early on when 5,000 people were dying a day, yes.
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These were important when we were trying to stop the tsunami of deaths that were occurring
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And going back to what I said before, all of that is in the context of at the time,
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There was no study that did masks on kids before.
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You had to respond to an epidemic that was killing 4 to 5,000 Americans per day.
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It is very, very clear that vaccines have saved hundreds of thousands of Americans and
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Did or do the vaccines, the COVID-19 vaccines stop anyone from getting COVID?
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In the beginning, it clearly prevented infection in a certain percentage of people,
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but the durability of its ability to prevent infection was not long.
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And they didn't stop you from spreading it either.
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But what became clear that it did not prevent transmission when the ability to prevent infection
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Well, we knew from the trials that people that got vaccinated still were subject to getting
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Your science is displayed perfectly in this picture where children, children in school were
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put in plastic bubbles because of your science.
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This is your own email where you said the typical mask you buy in the drugstore is not
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But yet children, children all over America were forced to wear masks.
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Healthy children forced to wear masks muzzled in their schools.
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And then they were forced to learn from home because of your so-called science and your medical
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suggestions while you and all your cronies get paid from big pharma.
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We should be recommending you to be prosecuted.
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We should be writing a criminal referral because you should be prosecuted for crimes against
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Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people.
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I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.
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And where do people like that go to share the big line?
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I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
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Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
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If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
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It's Monday, 3 June in the year of our Lord, 2024.
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I'm going to get to the Natalie Winder is going to join us in a moment.
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We've got some more clips from this hearing today with Dr. Fauci.
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But I want to start right before we came on breaking news on Capitol Hill.
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And I've got Mike Howe here from the Heritage Foundation.
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Jim Jordan announcing, I guess, they're going to defund.
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People are talking about even shutting down the government on September 30th.
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A lot of activity coming out of Jim Jordan today on not just the further investigations,
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Mike Howe, you had some comments on this on Twitter over the last couple of days of your thoughts.
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Because now they're dropping mini bombs all afternoon, sir.
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I don't think anyone thinks enough is being done at all.
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It's been a year and a half of pen pal games with Merrick Garland and others in the weaponized
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Biden administration where compliance has been refused.
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The fact that we're talking about defunding at a later date that close to the potential
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We just gave Biden everything he ever wanted out of Capitol Hill over the last three and
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And so I think right now the most interesting suggestion that's positive, substantial, and
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significant is that Congress should appoint a legislative special counsel.
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They have over $10 million in unused funds from the January 6 budget levels that they
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And so if Congress doesn't want to quit the pen pal games, the money should go to someone
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who can go out there with the full force of Congress behind them at the get-go and actually
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get the results that everybody was promised were coming at the beginning of this Congress
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So, Mike, let me hit rewind because I want people to jump on this.
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You're saying there's money left over from some of these special counsel investigations.
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I think I read your tweet, $10 million or something.
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You're saying that they shouldn't go back to the DOJ.
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They should just take that money that they've appropriated and use it for a legislative special
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So one of the key concessions out of McCarthy to become speaker was to establish a super
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committee at church-like levels from the Historical Church Committee, and that gave the House
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access to the January 6 committee levels of budget, which are about $15 million.
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And so instead of staffing up that venture and building that committee, they've just done
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the business-as-usual pen pal games that Congress has always done, nothing paralleling what the
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And so right now, they're scheduled to give $10 million of those dollars back to Joe Biden at
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What people I hear in D.C. who really know what they're talking about are calling for
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is that $10 million should instead go to a point in external special counsel for the legislative
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branch that then has the authority to issue subpoenas and enforce them to litigate, to actually
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staff up and go out and hit these weaponized actors right where they deserve it and do it at a
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scale and speed, which the House is both unwilling and incapable of doing.
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Mike, we've had John Yoo, one of the most revered guys in the legal community on the right,
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And he's saying, hey, you've got to bring – you have to be bringing investigations right
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You've got Andy McCarthy, who's been no Trump fan, saying essentially the same thing.
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Megyn Kelly going on offense, saying the exact same thing, that you've got to fight fire with
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fire here. It's just going to get worse. Even Matt Walsh, who's not been a big Trumper,
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saying all he's looking at in his scorecard is the arrest of Democrats.
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Do you think this is starting to build as this verdict sets in, as it sets in about exactly what
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went down? Do you find in conservative circles, particularly some of the leading institutions,
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and some of – those are all frontline names, right? They're all A names.
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Are you seeing more people even behind the scenes talking about something's got to be done here?
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Absolutely. And that's what the Legislative Special Counsel idea that so many are pushing
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is. It is a way to step up those activities that people are begging for.
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Now, the Warren Posse was on to this a year and a half ago when the Congress started,
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that it wasn't likely to actually do what people were promised would happen,
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which is hardcore investigations and accountability. And now it's expanded out to
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establishment circles. This is basically party-wide across the right wing that something has to be done.
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The options are do something or die at this point. It is – they have gotten away everything through
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the course of the treasonous turn of the Intelligence Committee, our community against
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Donald Trump, you know, 10 years ago almost, up until what they've done to January 6th political
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prisoners, pro-life protesters, and now in their biggest event yet, convicting President Trump in
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kangaroo court up in New York. And so it won't stop until there's a response. So our options are to
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either have that response or be political prisoners and die in our own country. And I think we know
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what the answer needs to be. Mike, before I let you go, I want to pivot. Your investigative team
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does such a great job on the cell phones and the NGOs and all that. Tomorrow, there's all these
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Democrat border mayors coming up. Biden's going to announce, you know, as tough of measures as he can
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announce to try to say that he's doing something on the border. How phony is this, sir, after for four
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years they've – they initiated and exacerbated an invasion of our country? Tomorrow, he's going to
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seem like he's the – he's saying that he's going to shut the border and begin the deportations.
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I think what Biden has done at the border is probably the biggest constitutional abuse we've seen in the
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national security sphere. He's opened the border, given up sovereign control of the United States,
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all for a political design. He has changed the demos of the democracy that, you know, is the U.S.,
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although we're actually a constitutional republic. He has brought in so many illegal aliens and then
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has his cronies out there fighting to make sure that they are able to vote, that he is banking on them
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being his margin of victory in November on the back of illegal aliens plus criminals throughout this
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country. And so his remarks tomorrow won't do anything to stem the tide. In fact, he just basically
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granted amnesty to well over a quarter million of them the other day by dismissing their
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asylum claims. They're no longer in removal proceedings. He has changed the demographics
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of this country without the will of the people, and that is an attack on democracy.
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By the way, Mike Howe just mentioned a big story in the New York Post. We're going to have Todd
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Benzman on tomorrow to talk about that. I think the number is 325,000. They took him out of the
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asylum removal and essentially granted him amnesty, another shocking development on the invasion of
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our beloved republic. Mike Howe, how do people get to you? Particularly, I know everybody's going to want to
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focus on your thinking on this legislative special counsel, social media, and where they go over
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Heritage. I'm at mhowltweetsonx, but follow us at Oversight and the letters PR. We're going to get the audio tape of
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Joe Biden's criminal interview with special counsel, her out. They claimed executive privilege against us on
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Friday night, said it could be used for a deepfake. I look forward to litigating this issue further in court.
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We're going to take it all the way and get the tape to the American people.
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You know, sometimes I kind of wish that you and your team over at Heritage were running Oversight,
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but hey, that's just a thought. Mike Howe, thank you so much.
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Howe is a brawler. I think this legislative idea is absolutely perfect. Something's got to be done.
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And with Jim Jordan and these guys, we understand you're getting a lot of heat from the war and posse.
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You're trying to do something, but we've waited so long. You can't be talking about the defunding.
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You just voted and approved and didn't fight the entire funding of the apparatus before.
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We didn't even pull out the FBI headquarters. So people have to be held accountable.
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And I think the action is what needs to be done now. Here's what I would tell the audience.
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There's a lot of very smart people. When John Yu writes that amazing piece in National Review,
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did I use that in one sentence? Amazing piece in National Review? It was.
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And then Andy McCarthy. Hey, you've even seen Lowry. He's kind of on point.
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Rich Lowry, I think because it's so outrageous. And those guys, you know, Lowry and McCarthy,
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they know New York City. I think people are so stunned about what happened in New York.
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And this is going to have massive implications for businesses in New York.
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You're going to see even a bigger flight of businesses down to Miami and other places, to Dallas, Miami.
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You're going to see new financial centers. I mean, major financial centers start to sprout up,
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I think, in those two cities, particularly from what's happening in New York.
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And it was all brought on by Alvin Bragg and Tish James in this.
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And people are absolutely shocked about it. Also, you know about this.
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Their excuse for not turning over the tapes. Oh, you can create AI on it.
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It'll be all kind of fun. No, they don't want the tapes to come out because of what Biden said.
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They've already tampered with the write-up of it, the transcripts.
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Everything from harassments by emails, texts, letters of myself, my wife, my three daughters.
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There have been credible death threats leading to the arrests of two individuals.
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And credible death threats mean someone who clearly was on their way to kill me.
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It is much more troublesome because they've involved my wife and my three daughters.
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Every time someone gets up and says I'm responsible for the death of people throughout the world,
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Natalie Winters, you've been on this for years now, ma'am.
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We started the pandemic portion of this show away from impeachment back in mid-January of 2020,
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I think it was on the 27th of January was this guy, Tony Fauci.
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And the reason was he went head to head with Dr. Peter Navarro.
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Yes, that Dr. Peter Navarro, who's currently in federal prison because they want him off the playing field.
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Dr. Peter Navarro is writing a quite long and pointed editorial for The Washington Times, best op-ed section in the world.
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I will read it in its entirety tomorrow when I get it tonight.
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So he clashed with Navarro right off the bat about restricting travel from China right at the beginning in the national security rooms right below the west wing of the White House, the Kennedy room, the famous Kennedy room.
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Dr. Navarro advising Trump, President Trump, then, and thank God President Trump listened to Navarro, not to Fauci.
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Natalie Wenders, you've been on this from the beginning.
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I think the best part of that clip we just watched is when that Democratic congressman says, keep your mic on, because I think that sort of speaks to what today is hearing, the function that it was supposed to perform.
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Now, of course, we could sit here and pretend to have, you know, a dialogue and discussion where we go through all of the admissions that Anthony Fauci, you know, tacitly made that we've known to be true for years, especially on this show.
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I'd point people to look at the transcribed interview where he admits that the six-foot social distancing metric was just sort of created out of thin air in the style of Francis Collins, the other director of the National Institutes of Health.
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But I think it's important to look at today's hearing in the broader context of sort of the evolving dialogue and discussion about the origins of COVID-19 and, frankly, how the Biden regime, really how the elites are sort of trying to shape this discussion.
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And what I mean by that, this Fauci testimony is coming after the, of course, infamous hearing that Peter Daszak had, right?
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Not only did that lead to the debarment, or I guess at least the proceedings have commenced to make sure that EcoHealth Alliance, the group that received taxpayers from, or tax dollars, rather, from Anthony Fauci to fund gain-of-function research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology on bat coronaviruses, that was a rare display of actual bipartisanship.
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And I know we don't like that word here in the war room, but it was Republicans and Democrats, really, for the first time ever, actually working together on what I would say a fairly substantive hearing to expose Peter Daszak as the liar and fraud that he is.
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Now, what did we warn when we sort of did the rundown of that hearing?
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That he was going to be the fall guy in sort of a limited hangout-style operation.
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So now, enter the Anthony Fauci hearing, and of course, it's a little intermission when you see the mainstream media suddenly embracing COVID-19 vaccine injuries, right, daring to talk about it.
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Ashish Shah, Biden's COVID-19 response director, saying, what do you mean?
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We actually take all your COVID-19 vaccine claims seriously.
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Now, I know in the cold open, people may be surprised that half of the people who were slobbering over Anthony Fauci in those clips were Republicans, i.e. the ranking member of that committee, Dr. Brad Wenstrup, saying, thank you, Dr. Fauci, for everything you've done on vaccines and public health.
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Not necessarily the opening salvo that I would have gone for if I were questioning Anthony Fauci.
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But it's important to, I think, look at today's hearing sort of in that context.
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In other words, perpetuating this limited hangout whereby they want to run with the narrative that is Peter Doshak, EcoHealth Alliance, it was a one-off mistake that they were funded and that they were collaborating with the Chinese Communist Party.
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But in reality, something is extremely rotten at the National Institutes of Health.
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And by that, I mean this pandemic was not a result of incompetence, but I would go so far as to say a result of intentionality, certainly on the sides of the Chinese Communist Party.
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Just look at their bioweapons programs and look at what the People's Liberation Army was doing at the Wuhan Institute of Virology.
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But I don't think today's hearing adequately got to the core issue, the there, there, which should be, was the National Institutes of Health, particularly the NIAID, the agency that Anthony Fauci led.
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Because I don't think that the incompetence narrative really holds any water when you see the type of viruses that they were playing with.
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So there were a lot of moments where Anthony Fauci, you know, where he admits that there wasn't really any science, right, with the mask mandates for the kids.
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He admits that the vaccines, you know, oh, well, they weren't really safe and effective.
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But honestly, I think Republicans sort of missed the mark, which they seem to have a masochistic tendency to want to do that.
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And I would say the best part and honestly, Steve, why we keep losing, if you want to be blunt, in this hearing that should have been our heyday for exposing this liar.
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I know this is a family-friendly program and I don't like to cuss, so I won't.
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But Anthony Fauci, for what he is, the Democrats used this hearing to try to push for more pandemic prevention funding, more mRNA vaccine development funding,
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and to praise Anthony Fauci's record on protecting pandemics and, frankly, lay the predicate for more censorship for anti-science and anti-vaccine narratives.
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But besides that, Republicans are playing for viral Twitter clips and Democrats are playing not just to run this country,
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but to quite literally force you to take experimental genetic therapies, censor your ability to speak out about it,
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and silence your five-year-old and underchildren, not rooted in anything scientific, just on their feeling,
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Tell me, how possibly could you be the chairman of the subcommittee on this?
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And I'm just saying, your experience in the three, three and a half, almost four years that you've been on top of this in very detailed investigations,
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how could you, what planet would you have to be on to give the opening that the good doctor gave Fauci, ma'am?
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A planet that is funded by Big Pharma and a desire to, you know, still be invited to Capitol Hill parties,
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and frankly, that's the problem with every investigative committee that we see going on right now.
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You know, I always joke, I don't, you know, like to often talk about myself in a, you know, hyping way,
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but I was 19, 18, I think, when I started doing reporting on a lot of this stuff.
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There should have been people doing that work, and there are hordes of wonderful investigative reporters,
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but we live in an ecosystem where people like Brad Wenstrup are elevated to be the chairman of the COVID Select Committee.
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I don't even think he actually really knows the true story about the origins of COVID.
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They just want to throw down on the Chinese Communist Party, and that's the telltale sign that you're dealing with these establishment Republicans, right?
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Then when you tell them, okay, fine, cut off their access to our financial markets, delist them from the stock exchange,
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That's the rhino's favorite talking point about how we have to, oh, we have to get tough on the Chinese Communist Party.
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But that's where they missed the mark on today's hearing.
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Yes, the origins of COVID, an integral part of it, is the Chinese Communist Party,
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but as the war room posse and as most Americans well know,
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the Chinese Communist Party is only able to inflict their damage on this country, manage decline.
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And that is epitomized by people like Anthony Fauci, who not just openly wax on about how great the Chinese Communist Party is
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and why we need scientific collaboration with them, but in action, in practice, are okay with, what was it,
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hundreds of thousands of American scientists concurrently taking funds from the Chinese Communist Party
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as part of their 100,000 talents plan while concurrently being on the U.S. taxpayer dole?
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I don't really understand what Republicans were hoping to achieve today.
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I'm so glad we keep giving Anthony Fauci the chance to perjure himself and to basically run circles around Republicans.
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It's so insulting to the intelligence of the American people.
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And like I said, Democrats used the hearing to push for more funding.
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They went all the way to the wall for mRNA vaccine funding.
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So when you have people like Brad Wenstrup, who frankly have used this committee to run cover for Anthony Fauci,
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maybe every now and then try to look a little bit difficult.
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And of course, they'll sell Peter Daszak down the river because at the end of the day,
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making him look like a klutz, right, actually helps kind of the establishment because they can write him off as the fall guy.
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This committee is part of the cover-up operation, I would say, as bad, if not worse, than the Chinese Communist Party.
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I tell you what, I want you to hang because I've got, I think, 12 or 14 minutes in the C block,
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and I want to go back and just do a little timeline of exactly what happened
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and what has not been even really discussed in any detail by this committee.
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So, Natalie, hang on because I want to get back to the gain of function.
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I want to get back to Fauci coming in and changing the restrictions that are put on by Obama about the cover-up,
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about WHO, which we had Michelle Bachman on today.
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The guys that lied about this at the beginning, now we're trying to give them full powers on a pandemic tree.
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If they can't get that, they're going to change health regulations.
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The same evil, demonic people in institutions that were at the beginning,
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So the gain of function, which is, let's say, gain of function, it's weaponization of viruses.
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That shouldn't happen because we have bioweapons trees.
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Because the biological weapons, believe it or not, may actually be worse than the nuclear weapons
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because of the lack of the ability to control nuclear weapons.
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But biological weapons may spread and you can't control them, can't contain them.
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So all these treaties, which the Chinese Communist Party has never lived by one of them.
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It was Obama's National Security Council that shut it down.
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It was Fauci then wormed his way over to the Trump when they had, I think, Price had left at HHS.
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Fauci went over there and talked to, like, the science and technology guys,
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but didn't really take it to the National Security Council, but he and Collins got the thing unwound that they could do it.
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State Department, others kept sending email to this Wuhan lab that the French kind of built.
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The Wuhan lab was not ready and should not be run unless you had real supervision over there.
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Then when the pandemic started, and it probably was back in 2019, but we knew about it in mid-January,
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the WHO, tenders and those crowd come out and lie and put out, oh, no human-to-human transmission,
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nothing going on in Wuhan, you know, the good doctor over there that died, nothing going on, nothing to see here.
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The same WHO that's working on a pandemic treaty now, and then gun-decking it by reversing it,
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You heard Michelle Bachman, you've heard Nora bin Laden on here so many times talking about it.
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And then Fauci, and then what Fauci did when confronted by Peter Navarro, people knew what was going on.
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And he actively covered this up, and their emails, text mail, he actively covered up the NIH involvement in Wuhan lab
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in the weaponization of the viruses and tried to have, they're the guys that try to cover up and come up with all this,
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you know, it came from a bat in a cave and then it got to a fresh market over 9,000 miles, right?
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Some guy brought a bat, bought a muskrat, and then they ate it.
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It's lie after lie after lie, and he doesn't care about people's lives.
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If you had, you would have immediately said, oh, oops, we were kind of working with these guys and hear what's going on.
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It was the crime and then the cover-up, the crime and then the cover-up.
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Natalie Winters, this is what drives me so crazy today.
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You, War Room, many people, we've gone through this timeline over and over and over again,
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Did any of that get brought up today in a coherent narrative with receipts so that not just the American people but the world could see that, ma'am?
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Well, Steve, he doesn't care about lying because he doesn't have to because he knows no one's going to hold him accountable.
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I think they probably spent a third of the hearing, Anthony Fauci insisting that his senior advisor of nearly a decade,
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that's the role, senior advisor to the director of NIAID, he insisted that this guy wasn't actually his senior advisor and that they never actually talked.
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This is the same guy who was instructing and coaching people on how to avoid FOIA requests.
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So for the same guy who thinks that he can lie his way out of saying that his senior advisor actually didn't even know the guy,
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like, you know, they met once a year, his office wasn't even next to mine,
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that seriously was his answer to the questions when people were asking them about dodging FOIAs.
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Of course he's going to think he can get away about lying about gain-of-function research.
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And you bring up really a brilliant point when it comes to the term, the definition, that is gain-of-function research, right?
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It's this kind of nice marketing consulting firm punchy spin on what is the souping up,
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the intentional increasing of lethality, virulence, and transmissibility of deadly, very deadly pathogens.
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And what's so funny is that back in those years you were talking about, right, 2014, you see the ban instituted.
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It was also went under the term of dual-use research of concern, or DERC for short.
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And in 2014 through 2017, the NSABB, a lot of these, you know, taxpayer-funded scientists
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who coincidentally seem to be people like Ralph Baric, people like Peter Dorschach,
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people who, you know, there's always an element of pattern recognition in all of this, right?
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The same people always seem to sort of be spearheading the charge,
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whether it's for more funding to the Wuhan Institute of Virology, reverse the ban on gain-of-function research.
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Oh, but COVID-19, it totally developed naturally in a wet market.
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But remember, back through 2014, when they were having these deliberations,
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Anthony Fauci had come out in support of gain-of-function research, of that dual-use research of concern.
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People like Ralph Baric, scientists who received collectively millions, tens of millions of dollars
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from Anthony Fauci, were coming out in support of this.
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Like I said, the very same scientists who then somehow conveniently ended up
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on the World Health Organization's COVID-19 origins investigations team.
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And then you see 2017, it was December, I think, end of December 19th or something.
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Of course, it sort of happens underground, right?
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It's not really something that's super talked about because it's not something that has popular support,
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because how can you sell to the American people the intentional, you know, increasing lethality,
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not just of deadly viruses here, but in labs run by the Chinese Communist Party, the People's Liberation Army.
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I mean, that's like a horror movie that you'd probably get thrown out of a Hollywood casting room
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for suggesting because it's so beyond the pale.
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But no, Anthony Fauci didn't just fund one-off research at the lab at the Wuhan Institute of Virology.
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We just know about the Wuhan Institute of Virology because they were one of the few facilities
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with a biosafety level three and biosafety level four facility where they could do,
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at least per regulation, some of these higher level, more manipulative type research designs.
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And of course, they received those humanized mice models from Ralph Baric.
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But no one really got into the nitty gritty of this with Anthony Fauci.
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In other words, why did you want to overturn the ban on gain-of-function research?
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Because do you know who has a very large interest in gain-of-function research being able to happen,
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who also apparently seems to have a very large financial stake?
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And taxpayer-funded researchers, as they alluded to today in the hearing,
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I believe $710 million in royalties from big pharma going to researchers since the COVID-19 pandemic.
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Big pharma, because that's how they're able to reverse engineer, right, these vaccines.
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And they spin all this vaccine research as something that's super great for humanity.
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And this is technological advancements to the finest degree.
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The way that they're able to predict very conveniently all these pandemics, right,
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sort of in the style of, you know, Bill Gates and the Rockefeller Foundation
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is because they're the ones creating the viruses.
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They're the ones that are able to, whether you want to say predict or create, right,
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what the next strain, what the next pandemic is going to be.
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It's really convenient when they're also the ones that are manufacturing the vaccines.
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So the fact that no one really got into that or, I think, really drilled down on the big pharma stuff,
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they just sort of stuck to, frankly, the surface-level talking point, you know,
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oh, did you make any money from the pandemic off of big pharma entities or royalties?
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And then he can sit there and say, well, technically, no, because the one patent that I filed,
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He's very able to kind of skirt questions that are asked very poorly.
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But frankly, it's not even about Anthony Fauci.
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It's that the members of Congress that are asking these questions, they're just not substantive.
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They don't reflect any actual knowledge or understanding of the issue at hand, right?
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This isn't an issue of public health gone wrong or experts not understanding pandemic prevention,
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Those Republicans would probably fall for the lie, right, that people like Bill Gates are
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The Rockefeller Foundation, CEPI, the Gabi Vaccine Alliance, the World Health Organization,
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all these weird, strange groups that all they care about is power.
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They think that they're actually altruistic in their motives.
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It's looking no further than the fact that have any of these people actually mounted a
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significant defense to the pandemic treaty with the World Health Organization, you think
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they would have fought for that in the NDAA or in any of these debt ceiling negotiations?
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The only reason that the WHO pandemic treaty stopped is because the Warren Posse and people
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like Michelle Bachman and the Committee on Present Danger China, the grassroots picked up
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But it's just about time that these Republicans, who have some semblance of power, actually
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Otherwise, I mean, honestly, I would go so far as to say that Anthony Fauci left the hearing
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In some ways, it whitewashed his crimes because he now gets to be able to go and say, oh,
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well, they didn't produce any smoking gun evidence, right?
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So frankly, I think for those Republicans who just want to ask really horrendous questions
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that reflect absolutely no knowledge of anything at all, should have just sat that one out
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And I realize these guys, but they're all now it's performative.
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Because the war room is putting some heat on them and, you know, news organizations are picking
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it up here today was a staff failure and a leadership failure, just a pure failure.
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One thing I can give you as a tell, though, Natalie Winters, is you don't see now he'll
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he may get some clips tonight and maybe one victory lap on MSNBC, but you don't see they're
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And if people were serious, we could rip it apart.
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Or if we had people up there on the committee that were serious and with the resources they
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But you don't see you don't see any fire breaks that you used to a couple of years ago for
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They're not all in now on the defense of Fauci.
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No, I think they were more, I would say, collectively all in on going after Peter Doshak.
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I think there really was a rare moment of unity, not just between Republicans and Democrats,
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Again, they chalk it up to institutional oversight and an error, not to systemic rot.
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But even that piece in the New York Times today that you had sent me from Dr. Alina Chan,
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who has been a leading voice on sort of the true origins of COVID-19.
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But again, I think also why they're not really hardcore embracing Anthony Fauci.
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I think it kind of goes back to at least my limited hangout critique of what you're seeing
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They just kind of want to pass him along, right?
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And they know if they were to endorse him so publicly that people would kind of get a
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So if you read that New York Times op-ed, it is for their imbecile audience to sort of
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get caught up to speed on where the war has been for months.
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He's just a cutout, throwing him under the bus.
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Natalie, your analysis, reporting, investigation that's been extraordinary.
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Where do people go to get all your contact and touch points, ma'am?
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Our budding entrepreneur, Natalie Winters, ma'am.
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And thank you for all the great work you did on this.
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MTG is going to join us tomorrow because, once again, she lit people up, but not the
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And Fauci, the crimes of Anthony Fauci are legion.
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And we've got to get to the bottom of it to make sure it never happens again.
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