Bannon's War Room - Episode 3672： Globalists Weap As Populism Sweeps Europe

00:00:00.000 They said that this is a way to essentially stop the far right, but can you ultimately believe this is the case?

00:00:06.560 Because when you look at Wilders' performance, his party went from getting zero seats in 2019 to potentially getting seven.

00:00:13.860 Absolutely. I mean, the victory of Geert Wilders yesterday was a very clear cut,

00:00:19.000 and it's a precursor of what is, I think, going to happen in the next couple of days

00:00:22.620 when we see European elections in various member states,

00:00:25.340 where the radical right is supposed to win a great victory.

00:00:30.980 And it depends, of course, what will happen at the end, what will conclude on Sunday night when all the polls are being closed,

00:00:37.100 how big the block of the far right will become in the European Parliament.

00:00:41.280 Will they actually be able to beat Social Democrats and the classic People's Party, the Christian Democrats, 0.91

00:00:49.260 and become the biggest block in the European Parliament?

00:00:51.920 At the same time, one has to also say that this is not a really real block,

00:00:55.940 because they are very much split over the issue of support to Ukraine.

00:01:01.880 And as one sees here, for example, Geert Wilders' party was very reluctant on the support for Ukraine.

00:01:10.820 But now that they are forming a coalition with other right-wing parties here in the Netherlands,

00:01:15.160 you see them actually change their opinion and be able to support Ukraine.

00:01:21.800 So just to clarify, from a Dutch perspective, though, before we go into the European Parliament itself,

00:01:27.080 from a Dutch perspective, according to these exit polls, who won the European vote in this country?

00:01:32.620 Well, it must be Geert Wilders, by far.

00:01:34.960 I mean, not only did he make a great result in terms of going from one seat to seven,

00:01:39.920 but at the end of the day, it is also a continuation of what we saw back in 2023 in the national elections,

00:01:47.700 where Geert Wilders came out on top, surprisingly big, actually, with a landslide victory.

00:01:53.100 And now he is in charge of the coalition building.

00:01:56.920 That is almost being done.

00:01:58.280 Ministers have to be sought for the government.

00:02:01.720 But the coalition of four parties will actually have a normal majority in the parliament.

00:02:06.840 There were gasps in the room when Emmanuel Macron announced that he was dissolving parliament

00:02:13.660 and the fresh elections would take place on the 30th of June for the first round,

00:02:18.280 the 7th of July for the second.

00:02:20.080 Well, that's just around the corner.

00:02:21.840 I've been speaking to people in the room here,

00:02:23.840 telling me that they're now going to have to go out and start campaigning.

00:02:27.060 And they don't have all that much time to do it.

00:02:30.040 And no, people I've been speaking to were not expecting this.

00:02:33.060 They did tell me that when they heard, and we all heard a little earlier on in the evening,

00:02:36.900 that Emmanuel Macron would be speaking tonight, they were expecting something.

00:02:40.760 Because first of all, to give you some context,

00:02:42.820 it's very rare for a French president to speak on the night, on the evening of European elections.

00:02:47.680 So the fact that he was just going to speak, people started saying,

00:02:50.220 well, maybe he's going to say something.

00:02:51.980 But dissolving parliament, that really caught the room by surprise here.

00:02:56.080 Less than four years ago, I handed Crooked Joe,

00:02:59.560 the strongest, most secure border in the history of our country.

00:03:03.220 We never had a border like that.

00:03:05.700 We built 571 miles of border wall.

00:03:09.100 It was unbelievable.

00:03:10.680 We ended all catch and release.

00:03:13.360 We had the remaining Mexico, safe third country. 0.99

00:03:17.620 And then we had also title 42.

00:03:19.940 You remember, everything was so good.

00:03:22.460 Today, you were called upon to vote in the European elections, in mainland France,

00:03:43.400 it's overseas territories and abroad.

00:03:45.220 The lesson here is clear.

00:03:49.160 This is not a good result for the party that supports Europe, including the majority party.

00:03:55.880 Far-right parties over the last years have been opposed to all sorts of progress brought about by Europe,

00:04:04.040 protecting our borders, supporting our farmers, supporting Ukraine.

00:04:08.140 These parties have gained ground across the continent.

00:04:14.580 In France, they are at nearly 40% of caste votes.

00:04:19.940 I have always believed that Europe, united and strong, is a good thing for France.

00:04:27.240 This is a situation that is a concern for me.

00:04:31.140 If we win Nevada, we win the whole thing.

00:04:35.400 We win the whole thing.

00:04:48.820 That's so nice.

00:04:50.500 Thank you.

00:04:51.660 I mean, I'm looking back there as far as the eye can see.

00:04:54.800 Get out, vote.

00:04:56.060 We're going to make America great again, greater than ever before, and we're going to do it fast.

00:05:01.700 Thank you.

00:05:02.100 God bless you.

00:05:02.800 God bless you, everybody.

00:05:06.160 You know, threats to democracy here in the United States.

00:05:09.380 When we look across the Atlantic at what happened over the course of this weekend with the European Union's parliamentary elections,

00:05:15.280 and we see the gains that have been made by the far right, in a way you see something different but similar happening,

00:05:21.200 which is the normalization of policies which were once considered out of the norm, which were once considered extreme.

00:05:28.020 I think my takeaway from the elections in Europe this weekend is that that contingent of far right policies is now mainstream in the United States.

00:05:36.340 How do you look at what happened over the weekend in those parliamentary elections,

00:05:39.820 and how do you tie it to what's happening here in the United States?

00:05:42.760 So I was actually hoping I could.

00:05:48.060 This is the primal scream of a dying regime.

00:05:52.960 Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people.

00:05:58.180 I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.

00:06:02.460 The people have had a belly full of it.

00:06:04.360 I know you don't like hearing that.

00:06:05.800 I know you've tried to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.

00:06:08.480 It's going to happen.

00:06:09.540 And where do people like that go to share the big lie?

00:06:12.760 MAGA Media.

00:06:14.500 I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.

00:06:19.940 Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?

00:06:23.700 If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.

00:06:29.980 War Room.

00:06:30.900 Here's your host, Stephen K.

00:06:32.880 It's Monday, 10 June in the year of our Lord, 2024.

00:06:44.280 Right there was a catty K, formerly a BBC, that she said the magic words that formerly extreme policies are now mainstream.

00:06:52.080 That's what you saw yesterday in really a tectonic plate shift in Europe.

00:06:57.880 The European parliamentary elections, the right wing or the sovereignty parties showed well.

00:07:04.440 But most importantly, at the national level, blew out the government of France.

00:07:09.460 That was Macron there, dissolving parliament.

00:07:12.020 There's going to be a big election coming up in a couple of weeks.

00:07:15.020 Europe's on fire with the right.

00:07:17.500 We're going to go through the teetle.

00:07:18.920 We'll see what actually happened in the European parliamentary election, which may not be as many seats as possible.

00:07:24.400 But the direction of this and what happened at the national level is pretty shocking.

00:07:29.000 We have Ben Harnwell, our international editor, is in Rome.

00:07:32.940 Rahim Kassam, who is en route to go to the People's Convention this week in Detroit and then leave immediately to England for the U.K. election.

00:07:43.620 And I think we're going to get Rahim, particularly if we get some support over at National Pulse, we need some more people signing up.

00:07:50.240 And that's, I think, pretty easy to do.

00:07:51.680 He's going to stick around for the monster French election.

00:07:59.260 I think part of that's the end of June and then part of it's in July.

00:08:01.600 Let's go to, we've got Rahim and Ben.

00:08:04.480 First, Ben, your assessment of what happened yesterday and implications.

00:08:09.640 Well, tell me what happened.

00:08:10.800 Then we'll talk to Rahim about implications for the U.S.

00:08:12.980 because people are looking at this as a – is all of this that's happening over the next month laying a predicate like Brexit did in 2016?

00:08:22.840 And, of course, we know Rahim Kassam was intimately involved in the Brexit, the historic Brexit movement.

00:08:27.380 So, Ben, first your thoughts overall of the European Parliament, how the right-wing parties did.

00:08:32.840 And then let's talk about these national governments, many of whom are in the process of either have already fallen or about to fall.

00:08:39.160 Well, Steve, when I started off on this show about three years ago, we spoke in loose terms that across the European Union,

00:08:47.740 the far right, the non-establishment right, the alt-right had around 10 percent, we sort of speculated, across the Union.

00:08:56.860 It's now clearly around 20 to 25 percent.

00:08:59.660 Of course, it very much hinges on the national iteration of the Populist Nationalist Party in question.

00:09:07.680 But what it does show – my takeaway on this is that there hasn't been a visible riptide towards Populist Nationalism,

00:09:16.000 that the mainstream media was clutching its pearls over in the way of speculating, say, 200 seats for the Nationalists.

00:09:23.800 But there is clearly an undercurrent that is moving in our direction.

00:09:27.400 For me, I think that the clear winner is Marine Le Pen in France, who is now set to have the largest political party in the European Parliament.

00:09:39.360 Won't be the largest group, but she will be – her delegation, her national rally will be the largest party delegation to the European Parliament.

00:09:48.440 Great result for her. 0.55

00:09:49.960 Somewhat vindicates her vicious knifing of the AFD around 10 days ago.

00:09:55.220 Yeah, hold on. Hang on a second.

00:09:58.780 Yeah, big in the European Parliament, but Macron has dissolved Parliament.

00:10:05.120 She's got a shot to win the whole thing except the presidency and maybe even force him to have an early election on that. 1.00

00:10:10.200 But she could win the whole thing in the next three weeks, right?

00:10:13.760 Macron's roll of the dice?

00:10:14.780 Well, her ambitions are towards the French presidency rather than forming a government in the legislature. 0.87

00:10:27.620 That will be her protégé, Jordan Bartella, young sort of, I think, 27 years old.

00:10:33.800 But her ambition is to leave herself free, not to enter, not to stand in the National Assembly elections, but to run directly against Macron or Macron's successor, I should say.

00:10:46.360 He can't – he shouldn't be able to stand again.

00:10:49.420 You can't do in France more than two consecutive mandates.

00:10:52.800 But, of course, part of the speculation behind his snap dissolving of Parliament is to resign if it doesn't go his way.

00:11:00.680 And there's no commentator that thinks it will go his way.

00:11:04.380 Basically, the European elections yesterday, the National Rally pulled twice his Renaissance party, 32 to 16 percent.

00:11:13.780 It's amazing.

00:11:14.340 It's really – it's an astonishing result, a clear – I mean, as I said, I think she is, in the European Union, the clearest victor amongst all the victors.

00:11:24.720 But for part of the –

00:11:26.200 Hang on one second.

00:11:30.080 Yeah.

00:11:31.260 Go ahead.

00:11:32.060 I'll give her on this point.

00:11:33.440 Part of the speculation is what Macron is trying to do is that he wants to set the predicate for resigning the presidency after a dismal showing at this imminent general election.

00:11:43.520 And then stand again, which would ordinarily – as I say, ordinarily be prohibited.

00:11:48.440 But that would leave him a direct runoff against Marine Le Pen in 27.

00:11:57.280 Raheem, let me bring you in for a second.

00:12:00.200 We're going to go – because this is so reminiscent, I think, of 16.

00:12:05.340 Listen, I want to focus on Macron for a second.

00:12:07.740 Is Joe Biden now the official cooler?

00:12:09.800 When Obama used to go over there, there would be hundreds of thousands of people.

00:12:13.840 He went to Berlin.

00:12:14.680 He went to Berlin.

00:12:15.420 Everybody's in the streets.

00:12:16.360 Obama's the greatest.

00:12:17.220 Obama's fantastic.

00:12:18.600 Biden goes for three days and does nothing but go all around France, from Normandy to Paris.

00:12:24.600 They're on TV every second of the day while the people are voting.

00:12:28.800 And Macron gets 15 percent.

00:12:30.940 I think his party got 15 percent.

00:12:32.160 He literally got blown out.

00:12:33.520 Is Biden the cooler?

00:12:35.240 Yeah, I think that's probably an accurate – that's probably an accurate dichotomy to pull there.

00:12:45.660 There was definitely a different vibe when Obama used to go over there.

00:12:49.920 And there was definitely a different way in which it translated to popularity, translated to votes when it was seen that, you know, whether it was the French president, the German president, Italian, Spanish, you name it, was, you know, cavorting with the leader, the ostensible leader of the free world.

00:13:07.460 Yeah, he has – Biden has kind of – I wouldn't even say cooled that.

00:13:11.740 I think he's put a hex on it, quite frankly.

00:13:13.480 His very presence has probably done nothing net positive to any of these leaders he meets with, Macron included.

00:13:20.380 And additionally, as more numbers start to come in from, you know, how people voted, why they voted, the way they voted in Europe over the next couple of days, I think we're going to find out that actually, you know, standing with Joe Biden is probably a negative pull on whoever – the ticket of whomever is doing it.

00:13:39.160 So, you know, you did have major flashpoints in Europe over the last three days.

00:13:44.380 You definitely had a major flashpoint in France.

00:13:47.320 That can't be denied.

00:13:48.860 Get on to Macron's motivations for that as well.

00:13:51.780 You had a major flashpoint in Germany.

00:13:54.060 This morning we hear that actually the alternative for Deutschland, who had a little breakup with Marine Le Pen's national rally in France over the last few weeks, may end up reuniting over the next couple of days in order to bolster that right-wing European parliamentary group.

00:14:10.580 But we also need to make sure that we are being level-headed about this.

00:14:15.000 While there are big flashpoints in France and Germany, probably less you could say in Italy, Spain, for the Dutch, and for the Swedes especially, not quite the night they had hoped for.

00:14:27.280 But some big nights in Belgium, also I think Ireland on the national – the local elections, the right rises maybe not as quickly as we want it.

00:14:40.000 But here's the thing to remember.

00:14:41.540 It's the Overton window.

00:14:43.300 It's like here in the United States.

00:14:44.420 It's what MAGA does. 0.94

00:14:46.020 MAGA pulls us farther to the right, and I think that's not just a good thing.

00:14:50.000 It's necessary for the nation and necessary for the world.

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00:16:19.320 To what's happening here in the United States.

00:16:21.300 So I was actually hoping I could cheer you up a little bit about the European elections because, in fact, it's 27 different elections and some of the results were pretty good.

00:16:32.400 There was no far-right surge in Scandinavia or in Poland or in Spain.

00:16:37.500 Actually, the reverse happened in several places.

00:16:40.180 The center-left were covered in a number of countries, including the Netherlands, including actually even France, where it had almost disappeared.

00:16:47.300 But it's true that the really big story – well, the two big stories are in Germany and France, where in Germany, a far-right party that has used explicitly kind of violent and extremist language did do very well.

00:17:05.360 And, of course, in France, where Marine Le Pen's party, which has a long history going back many decades and had been sort of ancient roots, really, in Vichy, did extremely well, so well that the president of France has decided to call snap elections.

00:17:23.160 I mean, I would only say this cautionary thing, which is that European elections are often – they're a little bit odd.

00:17:29.440 They're not real national elections.

00:17:31.920 They're often used as a kind of protest votes or people experiment, voting for different kinds of parties that they don't usually vote for.

00:17:39.320 It may be that Macron's decision to call snap elections, for example, is because he thinks the French – I mean, he's gambling, of course – but he thinks that the French won't vote for Le Pen if they think it means she would actually run the country.

00:17:53.600 I mean, we'll see.

00:17:54.280 To tie it to the United States, again, is a little dicey, but I think your basic point, that the language that used to be considered out of bounds in the U.S. language attacking the U.S. Constitution, attacking other U.S. institutions, undermining law enforcement, all that kind of language that used to be – would have been considered far out of the mainstream is now normal.

00:18:18.020 And you do have a change in the way people are talking about European politics and European democracy as well.

00:18:24.500 And so I think that language that was once on the fringes is now mainstream.

00:18:29.480 We can say that everywhere.

00:18:32.640 And Alpabom, who's a huge fan of President Trump's, as you know Raheem.

00:18:36.000 Raheem, is underneath this the signal and what she's talking about that – it's not just about what group's going to be in the European Parliament, how they're going to tee up, but you're seeing a tectonic – you've seen a shift to the Overton window.

00:18:48.020 And a shift, a tectonic plate shift, and it's being driven really by what's happening here in the United States.

00:18:53.180 A lot of what's been happening here with MAGA and President Trump.

00:18:56.920 And since you were there, you were one of the architects of Brexit, and Brexit was the predicate for the Trump win in 2016.

00:19:04.560 Are you seeing the same types of elements come together?

00:19:09.660 Yeah, I think I am.

00:19:10.880 You know, I'm less of the cheerleader type for everything that went on in Europe over the last 72 hours, but I do still think it was a net positive, a net positive movement for the political right.

00:19:23.500 I think there are lots of lessons to take away, which are very useful lessons.

00:19:27.100 And I think there are lots of little things that you'll start to see at a European parliamentary level, which will have consequences.

00:19:33.520 You will have more coming out of the Commission.

00:19:36.140 The type of coalition that Ursula von der Leyen pulls together at the Commission level will have consequences. 0.95

00:19:42.740 And, of course, you have national domestic consequences in Belgium, of course, but predominantly in Macron's France.

00:19:49.380 And all of that will have a knock-on effect will also, by the way, not just have a direct knock-on effect to what happens in the U.S. in November, but it will have a knock-on effect to what happens in the U.K. on July 4th.

00:20:00.680 And that, in turn, so you've kind of got this snowballing effect, whereas you can say, all right, you know, did the populist nationalist parties win in Europe as massively as, you know, you or I, you know, in our far right fever dreams could have hoped for?

00:20:17.120 Well, you know, probably not.

00:20:19.040 But was it enough to get this ball rolling and this snowball effect going?

00:20:23.300 Absolutely.

00:20:24.060 I don't think anybody can deny that.

00:20:25.940 And I think you'll see the other parts of that come together at the French elections, as you say, on June the 30th and then July 7th, a two-round electoral process for the French domestic legislature.

00:20:38.260 And then, of course, on July the 4th for the British general election.

00:20:43.720 Now, Macron, it's really interesting, the gamble he's made here, and I think it's made for two reasons.

00:20:49.800 Number one, you heard just there, basically he's saying, hey, you know, maybe the French will elect people like Rassemblement National and Le Pen to the European Parliament, but the European Parliament is often seen as kind of a protest vote.

00:21:04.880 They definitely won't elect them in such swathes to the National Parliament.

00:21:08.740 I think he's probably got that calculation incorrect, but I do think the calculation he's got correct is that on the back of an election like this, the European elections, a party like the Rassemblement National will have expended most of its energy, most of its money on that election.

00:21:25.700 And they can't immediately pivot to a new election right now.

00:21:29.760 So he's hoping that they're drained of resources.

00:21:32.720 They can't fight this one quite as strongly.

00:21:34.960 And he doesn't want to wait until they get their hands on the money that they will be owed from having a larger representation at the European Parliament.

00:21:42.100 Doesn't want that to kick in.

00:21:43.580 So the best time to do this, the best time to kind of consolidate and protect his base is now.

00:21:51.840 Ben, your thoughts and observations, particularly people like Gert Wilders, there's some people who could have some real pickups here, right?

00:21:58.220 And if AFD merges back, my point is the right is on the rise in Europe.

00:22:04.760 It might not be on the rise as much as you want.

00:22:06.520 But I think people also go to these center-right parties as a way station, like maybe they come and vote Republican because they're a little intimidated by MAGA.

00:22:16.040 The more they know about MAGA, they understand the water's fine.

00:22:19.720 Jump in.

00:22:20.260 Your thoughts?

00:22:22.040 Well, looking specifically, Steve, at the European People's Party, the traditional Christian Democrat center-right grouping, that's emerged as it was before the elections.

00:22:33.880 It's still the largest political grouping, and in the European Parliament, it's gained 10 seats.

00:22:40.000 But what is it, moving on outside of that, and you can look, and I will make the argument that you can look at the EPP as a sort of gateway drug to the hard stuff, if you like,

00:22:53.300 because there seems to be a shift of people moving to the right, but they're moving one party at a time in each election cycle.

00:23:00.860 So you go from, say, the hard left to the socialists to the Greens to the EPP, and eventually you're going to cycle through and come out in one of the two nationalist groupings,

00:23:11.500 the pro-Atlanticist grouping, which is sort of Georgia Maloney's grouping, the European conservatives and reformists,

00:23:19.100 or you'll come out with the identity and democracy grouping, sort of the anti-Atlanticist nationalists.

00:23:26.720 And that seems to be the broad progression. And I say that by looking at some of the other parties.

00:23:32.280 At the implosion of the Liberals, the Greens, socialists have lost, the socialist group lost five seats.

00:23:40.320 So the left have actually done quite badly.

00:23:42.120 And you can intuit that the left have done badly by looking and seeing what the mainstream media is homing in on.

00:23:51.000 They're really trying to change narratives, say, well, look, the nationalists haven't done brilliantly.

00:23:55.520 They haven't got the 200 seats. There's not the riptide.

00:23:59.120 It's all been that they're sort of for nothing.

00:24:02.980 These guys are going over.

00:24:04.560 Anyway, the best example of that, by the way, so look at Viktor Orban, right?

00:24:09.200 Because the mainstream media say, no, it's his worst result in years, you know,

00:24:12.900 he's clearly sort of been rejected by the Hungarian people.

00:24:16.200 He got 44 percent, right?

00:24:17.940 You can form a very strong government in the UK with 44 percent of the votes.

00:24:23.200 Georgia Maloney, who the mainstream media is offering up hazanas and burning incense at her altar.

00:24:30.380 And that ought to be a warning to anybody when the mainstream media does that.

00:24:34.100 She clocked in at 28 percent and everyone's saying how brilliantly she is done.

00:24:38.040 So compare the 44 percent with Viktor Orban with the 28 percent of Georgia Maloney.

00:24:42.720 Look at the mainstream media's sort of got the they've got the crowbar, crowbar after they manage the narrative.

00:24:50.040 And you can actually see that the left wing parties have really done quite poorly.

00:24:53.740 And the right wing parties, the center, the so-called center right, the nationalist parties, they've all picked up points.

00:25:01.140 They've all picked up seats.

00:25:04.280 Hang on one second.

00:25:05.160 Let's play.

00:25:05.480 I want to play Katty Kay one more time and then bring Raheem in about domestic, domestic politics, domestic polling right now.

00:25:11.540 Let's go and play her. 1.00

00:25:13.580 You know, threats to democracy here in the United States.

00:25:16.400 When we look across the Atlantic at what happened over the course of this weekend with the European Union's parliamentary elections and we see the gains that have been made by the far right, in a way you see something different but similar happening, which is the normalization of policies which were once considered out of the norm, which were once considered extreme.

00:25:35.220 I think my takeaway from the elections in Europe this weekend is that that contingent of far right policies is now mainstream in the United States.

00:25:43.640 How do you how do you look at what happened over the week?

00:25:46.520 OK, we go we go we go we go right back.

00:25:49.140 We're going to get that cut eventually tight.

00:25:51.100 We go back to Raheem.

00:25:53.100 You had this amazing rally in in Vegas yesterday, but that comes on what Charlie Kirk and the team put it with the Hispanic and evangelicals in Phoenix.

00:26:02.200 You had David Sachs and the in the tech overlords as supplicants to Trump.

00:26:06.960 Just went to Beverly Hills, had a massive turnout in Beverly Hills.

00:26:09.800 You had Amber Rose's fantastic response to TMZ about they're not brainwashed anymore.

00:26:16.320 You've looked at the polling.

00:26:18.380 It's not that we've normalized.

00:26:19.720 We've taken ideas of populist nationalism, the sovereignty movement, and we've made it the center of American politics here.

00:26:27.000 Have we not Raheem Ghassam?

00:26:29.260 Yeah.

00:26:29.560 And that is the point of the shifting of the Overton window.

00:26:32.140 Right.

00:26:32.340 That is that is why I think the economists original analysis on what happened in Europe was the right way to look at it.

00:26:39.440 It wasn't it wasn't a lurch to the right, but it was inching to the right.

00:26:42.860 And you've had that now for, well, you know, I would say I would say longer than a decade in the United States is reorienting this this shifting of the Overton window.

00:26:53.620 So it's almost like the left normalized climate change right to the center parties.

00:26:59.580 I was talking to Jack Posobiec last night on on my podcast.

00:27:04.520 We did a whole hour on this on this European results.

00:27:07.520 And he sort of said, well, look, you know, isn't the left's losses, the progressive left's losses, a ding to the climate change stuff?

00:27:14.380 I said, well, look, with the EPP, the centrist party, you know, climate change is as much dogma is as much religion to them as it is the Social Democrat parties.

00:27:22.300 So they kind of shifted the Overton window on that issue.

00:27:24.540 But but on things like migration, especially on the economy, the the Overton window has shifted so far to the margar right now that actually I was stunned when I looked at some of the CBS and YouGov polling that came out over this weekend.

00:27:38.420 I took a very early look this morning at that.

00:27:41.060 And and, you know, I have to say, last week, I wrote a piece about some of the numbers in the Rasmussen polls not looking so good on the back of the conviction.

00:27:50.420 These updated numbers actually give me more hope.

00:27:53.400 We're showing now.

00:27:54.620 Hang on. Hang on one second.

00:27:58.040 I'm going to hold a cliffhanger.

00:28:00.320 Raheem Kassam breaks it all down for you.

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00:29:37.560 I mean, you're all about women's rights issues. 0.82

00:29:39.840 I mean, what was the reason for the big change?

00:29:42.340 Is Donald Trump not for women's rights issues?

00:29:45.180 I mean, I guess a lot of people were asking.

00:29:46.900 He's trying to make America great again.

00:29:48.340 That's for women too, right? 1.00

00:29:49.840 That's true.

00:29:50.680 I mean, there you go.

00:29:52.480 I know.

00:29:52.920 Does him getting convicted like change the way you knew him?

00:29:55.960 Not at all.

00:29:56.940 I mean, do you think you'll help his chances like getting like reelected or like you'll hurt him?

00:30:01.900 I think it helps him more.

00:30:03.540 Oh, it helps him more.

00:30:04.640 Yeah, absolutely.

00:30:05.900 I think people see the injustice in what happened and they want to vote for him more than ever.

00:30:11.760 I know.

00:30:12.060 I wanted to ask you.

00:30:12.800 So it seems like a lot of celebrities are kind of like voting for Trump now.

00:30:17.080 I mean, why do you think people are kind of like changing their way of like-

00:30:20.400 I think we're just, we just did our research and we're just, you know, we're not brainwashed anymore by the left.

00:30:27.460 I can say that about myself.

00:30:29.500 All these years I've been brainwashed and I'm not anymore.

00:30:33.500 Still the most powerful 90 seconds of this entire campaign right there.

00:30:41.080 Gave it to TMZ with both barrels.

00:30:44.180 Incredible.

00:30:45.100 Incredible.

00:30:45.560 Off the top of the head.

00:30:47.380 She's on my short list for White House spokesmen.

00:30:51.660 Raheem, you've got some math you've looked at in this big CBS poll over the weekend.

00:30:57.000 The cross tabs, as we call it.

00:30:58.440 And it's got some very powerful news there.

00:31:00.860 I make the statement, Raheem, that Biden's the cooler because he was there for D-Day, but Macron went out of his way to go all over France and to Paris on national team over and over and over again with Biden and make it like a state visit, make it the biggest deal.

00:31:13.480 They had the formal dinners, all that, made sure all the media was there.

00:31:17.200 Biden's the cooler.

00:31:18.420 The brother finished up with 15% of the vote.

00:31:20.720 He had to dissolve parliament, call a new election.

00:31:23.860 It's a massive roll of the dice.

00:31:25.240 But even best case, he's going to get away with the skin of his teeth and he could get totally blown out and maybe even resign.

00:31:32.380 Biden's the cooler.

00:31:33.400 Is that not show up in the U.S. numbers, too?

00:31:35.560 And I predict you're going to see very few.

00:31:38.320 No Democrats are in trouble.

00:31:39.900 You're never going to see Tester or Sherrod Brown or these guys on a stage with Joe Biden because he is the cooler, brother.

00:31:45.180 Your thoughts?

00:31:45.720 Yeah, so it absolutely is showing up in the U.S. numbers as well now.

00:31:50.140 And these numbers, by the way, getting buried by the corporate media when they report these things out at the National Pulse.

00:31:56.380 We have we have an analysis up this morning about some of the most critical numbers in the YouGov and CBS poll, a 2000 person poll, 3.2 percent margin of error.

00:32:04.900 And in that, 84 percent of Americans, likely voters, have said that they expect to be worse off under a second Biden term.

00:32:14.640 That is to say that they expect financially things to either get worse or stay on the same downward trajectory as currently.

00:32:22.620 Eighty four percent of Americans.

00:32:24.920 These are unprecedented, depressive numbers that are going towards the end.

00:32:30.560 They are totally, totally in an indictment of Joe Biden and his economic campaign.

00:32:34.900 Hang on.

00:32:35.340 Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

00:32:36.420 Hang on.

00:32:36.920 Hang on.

00:32:37.320 Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

00:32:38.280 Give me that number.

00:32:39.440 What is that number you just said?

00:32:41.520 It's not 84 percent.

00:32:43.860 84 percent?

00:32:44.680 Yeah, that is 84 percent.

00:32:46.620 Eight, four.

00:32:47.640 Nearly 98 percent.

00:32:49.620 Hold it.

00:32:51.280 84 percent of the – 84 percent of the American people don't agree on anything.

00:32:55.520 They say – 84 percent of the people say that they'll be in the same shape as the downward trajectory or worse under Biden economically if he gets a second term.

00:33:04.900 That is correct.

00:33:05.900 That is correct.

00:33:07.200 That is correct.

00:33:08.260 It's a stunning number.

00:33:09.460 It's a staggering number.

00:33:10.500 And it's a bruising number for the Biden campaign.

00:33:13.700 The numbers across this poll play into line with that as well.

00:33:18.640 We've got – you know, you can look at the – well, I looked at the strength.

00:33:22.960 Okay, let's look at the strength of conviction behind people's votes.

00:33:28.360 So for the Biden supporters, 69 percent of his supporters say that they have decided and that their support is strong.

00:33:37.520 But that number is 78 percent for Donald Trump.

00:33:41.400 So there is a massive margin of difference there.

00:33:44.260 The other difference is no Trump supporters, as in 0 percent of Trump supporters in this poll, say that they will probably change at some point.

00:33:52.360 That does not apply to Biden voters.

00:33:54.600 There's 6 percent of people who say they're supporting Joe Biden's to say that they still might or probably will change, and 24 percent of them say that there is a likelihood of them changing.

00:34:08.140 So these are incredibly flimsy numbers for Joe Biden that shows that there is not a strong base.

00:34:13.020 But that shows – but hang on.

00:34:15.020 And not just that, the turnout.

00:34:16.600 That shows you guys are saying, hey, maybe I can't vote for Trump, but I can't go vote for this guy.

00:34:20.500 I'll just stay home.

00:34:21.280 It's their – MAGA is more focused and more on fire than we've ever been.

00:34:27.160 These show the Biden numbers are going to be weak as far as turnout?

00:34:30.360 Yeah, it does.

00:34:31.340 Let's go through some of those others.

00:34:34.400 Registered voters.

00:34:35.580 Do you think Joe Biden has a vision of where he wants to lead the country?

00:34:39.240 51 percent say yes.

00:34:40.780 The same question asked about Donald Trump, 67 percent of people say yes.

00:34:46.060 What is the main reason you would vote for Joe Biden over Donald Trump?

00:34:49.580 Because I like Joe Biden is 27 percent.

00:34:54.980 Mainly to oppose Donald Trump is 54 percent.

00:34:58.760 Now, you flip that around.

00:34:59.900 You ask Trump supporters that question.

00:35:01.800 52 percent say it's because they like Donald Trump.

00:35:05.780 14 percent say it's because Trump is a Republican nominee.

00:35:08.780 34 percent, a minority.

00:35:10.540 Say it's mainly to oppose Joe Biden and his government.

00:35:14.200 These go on, by the way, and on.

00:35:16.380 And you can see in terms of migration, we have similar numbers.

00:35:19.760 Again, we talked about the economic numbers there as well.

00:35:22.920 One of the things that I thought was really interesting here, Steve, is that while people thought – while people are pretty split, 57-43, on whether or not the trial in New York was fair,

00:35:34.420 71 percent of people responded by saying the conviction of President Trump is not a factor either way in how they will vote.

00:35:43.100 I think that is another serious, massive number, an indictment against this process, against the DOJ's process.

00:35:49.860 And there's only probably one thing that you might dislike in this poll, and that's that 72 percent of people say they do not want Donald Trump to seek retribution in a second term.

00:36:00.840 Well, you know, it's not retribution.

00:36:05.000 It's called justice.

00:36:06.120 If you ask it for retribution, nobody wants retribution.

00:36:08.600 We just want justice.

00:36:09.980 Last thing, Raheem.

00:36:11.300 This is why – well, maybe a tiny bit.

00:36:16.000 Small R. 0.71

00:36:16.500 This is why you saw all the stories last week about the Republican operatives and the money as it's coming in turning to are you better off today than you were four years ago.

00:36:29.300 That gets back to the 84 percent number.

00:36:31.220 People are – the Republic – people should know.

00:36:33.660 Smart people are on top of this.

00:36:35.420 You're seeing a pivot already into the campaign.

00:36:38.140 Raheem, we need to get you to the UK.

00:36:40.400 We need to keep you there for the French election.

00:36:42.220 I want as many people as possible to go to National Pulse.

00:36:45.480 Behind your paywall is amazing stuff.

00:36:47.540 This side of the paywall is pretty good too.

00:36:49.340 It's one of my first stops every morning.

00:36:50.780 Where do folks go to sign up?

00:36:52.560 Yeah, listen, ladies and gentlemen, I can't stress this enough.

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00:36:58.580 So everything you see yesterday from the long podcast that we put out, all the coverage of this this morning, going through these polls.

00:37:05.000 This was an 80-page poll, by the way.

00:37:07.160 We had the story up before 9 o'clock this morning.

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00:37:36.540 Let's try to get 200 people signing up for annual memberships today and basically take that budgetary consideration off my mind.

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00:37:51.220 Raheem to Charlie Kirk.

00:37:52.540 Make sure you go to our site right now, or TPUSA, about the People's Convention this week, 25 percent off if you're a war room person.

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00:38:08.180 I will meet and greet everybody as I normally do, so it's going to be a great, great, fun time.

00:38:12.660 Raheem, thank you so much.

00:38:13.780 I know you've got other big interviews you're going to, so thank you so much.

00:38:16.500 Appreciate it, sir.

00:38:17.560 Yes, thank you.

00:38:18.660 Go to the National Pulse.

00:38:20.540 Let's get Raheem to Europe.

00:38:22.420 Not keep him there, but let's get him to cover these elections.

00:38:25.640 Ben Harnwell, Amber Rose.

00:38:28.140 They don't believe the propaganda anymore.

00:38:29.880 They do their own research.

00:38:31.240 It's such a powerful piece.

00:38:32.500 They do their own research.

00:38:33.680 People do their own research.

00:38:34.780 Your thoughts of her beatdown of the – not just the mainstream media, but the ruling party in this country and the world.

00:38:43.400 Well, it's word perfect.

00:38:44.920 Her description about that people do their own research and they're not going to be brainwashed anymore is word perfect.

00:38:52.000 And you can pivot directly from that to exactly what's happened in the European Parliament over the last 48 hours.

00:39:01.220 Let me pick up one example.

00:39:02.720 On this show, we have been hitting for the last 18 months the farmers' protests, the tractor protests, day after day at some points.

00:39:15.020 But these things were growing and growing.

00:39:16.900 What is the net consequence of those protests across Europe?

00:39:21.200 The green vote fell by 34% of their seats in the European Parliament.

00:39:27.220 This is people waking up and thinking for themselves and realising that they're not going to accept the official propaganda that comes at them from the mainstream media and making the jump, right?

00:39:39.700 Now, they haven't all jumped over to the nationalists.

00:39:42.480 As I was saying before, a lot of them seem to have gone over to the European People's Party.

00:39:46.700 But it's a first step.

00:39:47.780 When they're in the European People's Party, they're going to realise it's totally performative and it's not actually going to do anything for them.

00:39:54.900 But having made the jump, they're going to, I think, find themselves refined and come further on in our direction.

00:40:02.480 So, you know, the Amber Rose thing is perfect.

00:40:04.760 Yeah, it's the process here.

00:40:08.180 People start to wake up.

00:40:09.100 They start to do their own research.

00:40:10.360 They realise there's been propaganda.

00:40:12.080 They go from not voting for Democrats, not voting for Biden, staying home, to, hey, maybe I'll listen to some of these Republicans.

00:40:18.920 Then all of a sudden, hey, Trump, MAGA, these guys are talking about what I believe because now I've done my own research.

00:40:24.500 Hang around, Ben.

00:40:25.040 You're going to be with me for the morning.

00:40:26.960 I want to bring in Sheriff Mack, I think one of the most important guys in the country, the head of the constitutional sheriffs.

00:40:33.240 First off, Sheriff Mack, I thought all sheriffs were constitutional.

00:40:38.260 Are you telling me some are not?

00:40:39.420 And if that's the case, what is a constitutional sheriff?

00:40:43.240 Well, most of them are constitutionally elected.

00:40:46.960 But as far as adhering to the constitution as part of their job as sheriff, many of them are not.

00:40:53.600 And that's what I've been trying to fight against ever since I started the Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association.

00:41:02.340 And we do our training all over the country, inviting sheriffs and public officials, county commissioners, county attorneys.

00:41:10.500 All of them need a dose of the constitution and the performance of their job.

00:41:15.880 Let's take, for instance, Grady Judge, Sheriff Grady Judge in Polk County, Florida.

00:41:20.480 Great sheriff, great sheriff, great man, great leadership skills, but he supports red flag laws. 0.96

00:41:28.120 And all I would like to do is talk with Sheriff Judd and say we can still be constitutional sheriffs and we can still be the great leaders that we are, just like he is.

00:41:38.360 I think he's a tremendous man, tremendous sheriff, but he has got to add a dose of constitution to his persona as this great sheriff in America.

00:41:51.400 And so I would say Sheriff Ivey and Sheriff Lamb and Sheriff Judd and Sheriff Norris and Sheriff Skinner here in the Phoenix area, all of these sheriffs have got to focus on what is, who is violating the constitution today and take action.

00:42:11.120 For instance, the January 6th arrests that happened nationwide, hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of people are being arrested and pulled out of a jurisdiction that requires extradition.

00:42:24.320 The constitution requires one jurisdiction to another that you must go through the state to do an extradition.

00:42:31.680 The FBI did not do that one time and no sheriff said anything about it.

00:42:36.780 We have to follow the constitution.

00:42:38.980 The sheriffs now are in a position where they can stop these horrible federal and FBI attacks against President Trump and take a stand and stand in the way and interpose and stop the abuses that the federal agents in this country have been getting away with for decades.

00:43:01.320 And it's time to stand in the way and have stand up sheriffs that will enforce the constitution and make the other agencies in the federal government and sometimes the state governments as well, toe the line and adhere to the constitution and adhere to our oaths of office.

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00:46:27.340 So Sheriff Mack, and I want to get to your site because everybody's telling me, hey, who are the constitutional sheriffs?

00:46:33.860 Because you named some pretty good guys who people love who are not constitutional sheriffs.

00:46:38.040 And you made your case why.

00:46:38.960 But I got a question.

00:46:40.660 So in the worm, as you know, we break down in the information war, MSNBC, CNN, the New York Times.

00:46:47.220 We spend a lot of time on The Guardian because that's the most powerful progressive paper in the world out of England.

00:46:52.500 And I would have to say, Sheriff Mack, of the top five, of The Guardian's top five demons in this country, Donald Trump's obviously in a class by himself.

00:47:01.660 But you make the top five.

00:47:03.020 They think you're a lawless anarchist that interprets the constitution your own way.

00:47:07.960 They would essentially say you're a militia group.

00:47:10.480 Your response to The Guardian, brother?

00:47:13.060 Well, they've got it all wrong and they've lied about me numerous times.

00:47:19.040 I would like them for once to tell the truth about me.

00:47:22.680 I'm not a racist.

00:47:24.360 My mom did not raise any of us to be racist.

00:47:27.320 I find racism and white supremacy completely abhorrent.

00:47:31.820 It's completely antithetical to the American dream and the American way. 0.70

00:47:37.940 The constitution does not allow for that.

00:47:40.060 I totally believe all men are created equal.

00:47:43.560 I love that tenet from the Declaration of Independence.

00:47:48.620 I love our constitution.

00:47:50.220 I love peace.

00:47:51.980 And we are nonviolent.

00:47:54.080 Our organization has never advocated violence.

00:47:57.520 Yet they still say that we're a paramilitary organization.

00:48:00.620 That is a lie.

00:48:02.660 We are a peaceful and effective process for restoring civil rights to America.

00:48:09.680 Whatever happened to the civil rights movement?

00:48:13.000 No one stands for civil rights.

00:48:14.720 We do.

00:48:15.880 And we absolutely quote Martin Luther King in our presentation.

00:48:21.180 We tell the story of Rosa Parks.

00:48:22.940 I want to ask every sheriff and peace officer, if you were called back to Montgomery, Alabama, December 1st, 1955, would you have arrested Rosa Parks?

00:48:33.280 I hope every sheriff and cop in this country would say absolutely not.

00:48:37.600 I would not do that.

00:48:38.900 Well, then why are you doing it today to Christians and to parents who want to be involved in their school boards?

00:48:44.480 Why do you do it to the Amish farmers who won't pasteurize their milk?

00:48:48.680 Why are we going after innocent people?

00:48:50.820 Why are we going after gun owners who are law-abiding citizens?

00:48:54.000 But yet we still try to make them criminals.

00:48:56.220 Let's put the Constitution first.

00:48:59.740 We swore an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution.

00:49:03.520 And I believe that every sheriff in this country should be investigating, one, election fraud, and also the crimes committed by the FBI and other federal agents, the IRS, and others, and investigate these crimes.

00:49:17.000 And also the illegal arrests being conducted by other law enforcement agencies and AGs who are obviously using their positions to go after innocent people.

00:49:33.480 So continuing on with the critics, I would say, hey, look, that's fine, but your job is to enforce the law as the sheriffs and the peace officers.

00:49:42.520 You have local DAs, you have U.S. attorneys, you have Merrick Garland and Lisa Monica and that crowd.

00:49:50.040 That's really their responsibility, and you guys are just supposed to lock up the hooligans. 0.95

00:49:54.920 Your response, sir.

00:49:56.320 Well, I sued the federal government back in the 90s and won a case at the U.S. Supreme Court on this very issue.

00:50:01.480 The federal government cannot tell your sheriff what to do.

00:50:04.480 I won on that issue against the Clinton administration.

00:50:08.920 I actually sued the Clintons and lived to tell about it.

00:50:11.280 But the point is this.

00:50:13.520 The sheriff is another check and balance.

00:50:15.820 The states are a check and balance on the overreach of the federal government.

00:50:20.020 We sued on the overreach of the federal government.

00:50:23.920 And every sheriff has taken an oath to protect his people from all enemies, both foreign and domestic.

00:50:30.820 Are we really protecting our people from corruption and corrupt government?

00:50:35.380 And it's my job to enforce the law?

00:50:37.920 Well, what is the supreme law of the land?

00:50:40.660 I ask my friends from the liberal leftist rags that are lying about me.

00:50:49.200 The supreme law of the land is the Constitution, and every sheriff should stand and let everyone know in his county and in this country.

00:50:56.580 We will enforce and defend the Constitution just like we promised to do when we took our jobs.

00:51:04.020 And that is not a threat to anyone.

00:51:07.900 Why would that be a threat?

00:51:09.280 Why would somebody complain about that?

00:51:11.300 Because they are intentionally trying to destroy our Constitution, and the sheriffs of this country have an obligation to stand against that and do just the opposite, restore the Constitution as the supreme law of land and put it in its proper place as the rule of law.

00:51:28.920 I've got – I'd like to hold you for a few minutes on the other side.

00:51:34.580 We have about a 90-second break.

00:51:35.740 But before we go to that break, where the Guardian and people really lose it is when you just said election fraud.

00:51:41.180 They are absolutely concerned about you stepping in and making sure we have free, fair elections with only certifiable chain of custody, American city voting.

00:51:50.300 How high a priority for the Constitutional sheriffs is looking at making sure we don't have election fraud in November this year, sir?

00:51:58.060 That's in the top two of our entire programs, everything that we're trying to do.

00:52:03.620 You don't have a country if you don't have secure and safe, fair and honest elections.

00:52:09.280 And, yes, there are mountains of evidence of election fraud, and they have lied and used that as a talking point along with the White House saying there is no election fraud.

00:52:21.680 Well, if there's none, then what does it matter if we investigate it and look at it and try to guarantee that there is not?

00:52:28.640 But they get all squampus and out of control if we ever say anything about making sure there's some safeguards put into place so that we can make sure that the elections are fair and honest.

00:52:42.740 Sheriff Mack, just hang on.

00:52:43.940 90-second break.

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Bannon's War Room - June 10, 2024

Episode 3672： Globalists Weap As Populism Sweeps Europe

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