On today's show, John Avlon and Raheem Shahan discuss a new CNN/ORC poll that shows that 72% of Americans don't want Donald Trump to seek re-election in 2020. They also discuss the Biden-Harris campaign's obsession with the idea of retribution, and why they think it's a good idea.
00:00:00.000There's only probably one thing that you might dislike in this poll, and that's that 72 percent of people say they do not want Donald Trump to seek retribution in a second term.
00:00:10.540Well, you know, it's not retribution. It's called justice.
00:00:13.740If you ask it's retribution, nobody wants retribution.
00:00:15.920Last thing, Raheem, this is why, well, maybe a tiny bit, small R.
00:00:24.120OK, this the Biden-Harris campaign, which is all over War Room, they do a clip.
00:00:31.640It looks like every day. Raheem and Max Evans over at Getter did a great remix.
00:00:37.000We'll try to play later. Raheem, why are they so maniacally focused on this show and particularly the fact that people are standing up to the fact that it's just not going to go when we win in November?
00:00:49.080It's just not going to go back to normal that they have committed tremendous crimes and we're going to use the Constitution, the rule of law.
00:00:56.940And as we keep saying, this is why we just want the House to adjudicate stuff, but the legal system to make sure that this can never happen again.
00:01:04.060Why does that freak them out? And why do they think that's sellable?
00:01:07.040Because right now their democracy thing's not sellable, their J6 thing's not sellable.
00:01:11.640None of it's sellable because people look at their lived experience and they look how out of control this apparatus is, sir.
00:01:19.080Well, since I was talking about Boris Johnson in the last segment, allow me to quote Boris Johnson to greet the Biden-Harris clips, they, them, who is watching this right now.
00:01:31.140The great supine, invertebrate, protoplasmic intern that they've got over there who has to watch this show every day.
00:01:40.340They might learn something. Who knows? Maybe we'll get a convert inside.
00:01:44.440By the way, we're always looking for tipsters. If you're listening, if you've got some whistles to blow from inside the campaign, feel free to reach out.
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00:01:58.140Listen, this raises – I've had so many people reach out to me over the last couple of hours, yesterday night as well, about this clip, about how the Biden-Harris campaign pulled this clip.
00:02:10.180But most notably, right, they picked up on that word, retribution, and said, listen, if that question were asked in a different way in that poll, you would get 100 percent, a 180-degree different answer on that.
00:02:24.680You know, if you said – if you didn't use the word retribution and you used the word like you did, right, you say justice or accountability or anything like that, I guarantee you you would have had 72 percent in agreement saying that is what we want, that is what the American public should get.
00:02:38.480And it goes to show you how these polls work, especially how these kind of push polls push people in certain directions to how they answer certain questions.
00:02:46.460So I think they're freaking out. I think they're having a daily freakout every day over there. They're looking at what isn't working. They're looking at basically everything, right?
00:02:56.280And it's not just everything that they're doing. It's everything that their apparatus is supposed to be doing too.
00:03:01.760You look at the decline and impending fall of the Washington Post as a prime example of this.
00:03:08.020You know, democracy dies in darkness. We're going to have all these activists out there. You've got Taylor Lawrence doing TikToks and all of this stuff.
00:03:13.880I mean, it's on a complete hiding to nowhere. They understand that, as you say, the famous quote, the American public have had a belly full of it.
00:03:25.280No, 50 percent drop in readership over at WAPO.
00:03:28.800Raheem, you're going to go to and be with us in Detroit at the People's Convention, Charlotte Kirks.
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00:03:40.260We're going to be wall-to-wall on coverage. I'll be there. We'll do meet and greets, etc.
00:03:46.580Raheem, then you head to the United Kingdom and you stick around for France.
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00:04:40.500Thank you, brother. It seems like all in home week. I've got the great Matt Boyle joins us now.
00:04:46.880Raheem used to be London. Matt Boyle's national political editor, still national political editor
00:04:50.560of Breitbart in an extraordinary talent. Our greatest reporter in MAGA joins us. Also,
00:04:57.240Matt Boyle is going to be in Detroit and be part of the show live, hopefully on Friday,
00:05:02.520right? The great Matt Boyle. Matt Boyle joins us. We'll get into all the politics and
00:05:06.900in the details of that on Friday later in the week. But I got to go to an extraordinary piece
00:05:11.540you wrote about the European parliamentary elections and what happened at the national
00:05:15.940level. And now this morning, Steve Collinson, the smartest guy at CNN, he's up there saying,
00:05:21.940hey, is this reverberation? Is this Brexit again? Are we going back to 2016? Is Europe and the rise of the
00:05:28.380right, particularly alternative for Deutschland, what happened in Germany and particularly what
00:05:32.600happened in France? Is this a foreshadowing of a big landslide tectonic plate shift in November?
00:05:39.440Your article is amazing. Can you walk our audience to it, sir?
00:05:42.760Yeah, look, I think it might actually be bigger than Brexit was in 2016. I don't know. Well,
00:05:50.000time will tell, right? So we'll see when November rolls around. But the big thing is that if you look at
00:05:56.260the horse race polls and whatnot, Trump leads across the board, right? He leads national polls. He
00:06:01.580leads or it's tight, right? Like it's inside the margin of error. He leads in all the battleground
00:06:06.780states. In 2016, you remember this, Steve, there were hardly any polls that showed Trump in the lead
00:06:11.840and he ended up winning, right? Like, um, one of the, what was the tell-
00:06:15.960Oh, I remember. Oh, I remember. I remember. I remember. I remember. Do I remember?
00:06:21.360It was the tell that we knew Trump was going to win in the lead up to it. It was the issues,
00:06:26.260right? So if you look at the issue-based polls, um, look at questions on immigration, look at
00:06:31.720questions on trade, questions on the economy, et cetera. Uh, and you look at those numbers rather
00:06:37.040than, cause people don't like to tell the pollster they're voting for Trump, right? Some,
00:06:41.080you know, the, the hardcore, you know, your war room posse, regular, uh, uh, viewers, the,
00:06:47.260the Breitbart readers, they have no problem telling the pollster they're voting for Trump,
00:06:51.200right? The mega hat wearing folks, the, the middle of the road people in some of these battleground
00:06:56.260states, they, they might not tell anybody they're going to vote for Trump, but they stand with Trump
00:07:00.700on immigration. They stand with Trump on, uh, the economy. They stand with Trump on trade.
00:07:05.740And the, um, the tell is if you look at the issue polls, so like this weekend we saw a CBS news poll
00:07:11.540that showed Trump and Biden virtually tied, right? It has Trump at 50, Biden at 49. This is done
00:07:17.760entirely after the sham New York trial, uh, against Trump. Uh, and the, uh, so it's, that's all baked
00:07:25.020into the numbers. Uh, but then, uh, so, okay, horse race poll nationally tied, but look at the issues
00:07:30.980that they, they questioned. The immigration, the deportation, they ask people, do you support a
00:07:37.000national program to deport every illegal alien in America? Massive majority. It's more than 60%
00:07:43.220of Americans say yes, uh, including a majority of Hispanic Americans. Uh, so if you look at that,
00:07:50.780you pull those issue polls together, uh, with what we're seeing, uh, out of these election results
00:07:56.760overseas in, in, uh, across Europe, one can surmise here that there may be a global movement against
00:08:05.000globalism. That's really coming to together, uh, in much the same way that Brexit foreshadowed
00:08:11.820Donald Trump's victory in 2016. I think that, um, you know, look at other issue polls. There's an
00:08:17.940Associated Press poll out today asking people, uh, where do people stand on Joe Biden's student loan
00:08:24.820program, right? All the actions that he's taken on that. Only 30% said they support him. 40% said
00:08:31.080they're opposed and 30 something percent say they're, uh, they're unsure. But the fact is,
00:08:36.780is that across the board, what we're seeing is a massive disagreement with Biden and the globalist,
00:08:43.540uh, uh, establishment on the issues. And so people may be a little bit afraid to tell the pollsters
00:08:49.520they're going to vote for Trump, but when it comes to the issues and when it comes to, uh, uh, et cetera,
00:08:55.060then we're seeing that. And we're seeing that in the, uh, the broader election results across the board.
00:09:00.900I want to go back to what you said at first, because in, in 16, remember, um, we second,
00:09:07.260we seconded, uh, Rahim really got involved in the whole Brexit fight with, with, uh, with Nigel,
00:09:13.380you and Alex Marlowe really had to take up and pick up the slack of all overseeing also the
00:09:18.920international political coverage, particularly UK. The reason you explain this to me, the reason you
00:09:24.740said this actually may be more important. What happened is that in 16, it was one nation,
00:09:30.460obviously our mother country, some of you were very close to our, our most important ally. Uh,
00:09:35.480but that was about their sovereignty. And it was a vote on their sovereignty and getting their
00:09:39.720sovereignty back also about immigration, because that was the big issue that Nigel Farage led with
00:09:44.280here. You're saying, Hey, that was important, but that was one country in a, in a time. And that
00:09:50.260was Trump's big issue. Then the decline, you know, by our elites, uh, the managed decline of the
00:09:54.560country, losing our sovereignty and immigration. But now you're saying, if you look at the number
00:09:59.180one thing that drove this across the border, particularly the blowout in France and leading
00:10:03.540Macron to dissolve parliament, uh, in, in, in Germany with the leading anti-immigration,
00:10:09.240you're saying across an entire continent with 350 million eligible voters, this issue was the
00:10:15.680number one issue and brought down a couple of the most powerful governments in the world.
00:10:19.900You're saying, if you look at that and consider the, the issue set that's here, uh, this you're
00:10:26.260saying, Hey, this could be even bigger and could really be a blowout. Is that your thinking about
00:10:29.960why this one may be more important than even Brexit? Yes. And also Donald Trump is actually
00:10:35.820leading in many of the polls this time, right? Like, so, uh, he's up, but it's inside the margin of
00:10:41.520error, uh, in a lot of the battleground States. But I, my guess here is, is that Trump is actually
00:10:47.520a lot better off than the numbers, uh, would even pretend. Uh, and the, the tell is those,
00:10:54.080those issue questions, right? Like, and again, the issues that we saw play out across Europe,
00:10:59.900uh, and, uh, the, the major issues again, being immigration first and foremost, war being a
00:11:06.840very close second, right? Like people are very tired of the globalist elite, uh, with regard
00:11:12.520to war, right? Like you see this in the middle East right now, uh, with Israel and Amas, uh,
00:11:17.820you see this in Ukraine with the Ukraine and Russia and, uh, uh, especially across Europe,
00:11:22.880but even here in the, across the United States, people are questioning why we're spending tens
00:11:28.540of billions of dollars, hundreds of billions of dollars on all these foreign wars. Uh, and,
00:11:34.020uh, this was a huge part of the 2016 election. I, I look back at the 2016, I always tell people,
00:11:39.040I think the moment Donald Trump won the 2016 election was way back in the Republican primary,
00:11:44.620uh, during a debate, uh, where he, uh, uh, in South Carolina, if you remember this, he was,
00:11:51.520uh, arguing with Jeb Bush and they, they brought in George Bush into the audience, right? Like,
00:11:56.600uh, in, in Donald Trump, uh, just totally dressed down the Bush family, uh, with regard to Iraq,
00:12:03.180uh, and, uh, really, uh, laid into them over it. And, uh, it was the moment I think that Donald
00:12:09.720Trump really took control of the Republican party. He's never given it up since he's never
00:12:14.440looked back since, but it was, it was such a powerful moment because Trump was running against
00:12:18.320multiple different dynasties, similar type of a thing going on this year, but again, perhaps even
00:12:23.480more profound. Again, we'll have to wait and see the actual election results in November. I don't want
00:12:29.120to get too far ahead of ourselves here, but the things are looking very good.
00:12:34.120I, so, so I got to tell another Matt Boyle story. So, um, in that, in the South Carolina,
00:12:40.360remember it was the cheer from the audience that shocked people, right? I mean, Trump goes all in
00:12:45.480about Iraq being a failure and pointing to Bush and then is playing his family with the other
00:12:49.640president sitting in the audience saying, this is a failure. You're a failure. These forever wars,
00:12:54.680you know, and the audience is going nuts in support and the, uh, the moderators,
00:12:58.720the Bush. So Matt Boyle was still on, I think you were on getting on the Bush, uh, after you
00:13:04.020got blown out in South Carolina, you were getting on the Bush thing in Florida, Matt, as you know,
00:13:08.340he and the great Tony Lee with the tip of the spear in the Megyn Kelly fiasco, the other important
00:13:13.640part of those debates, the lead off. Uh, and then later, correct me if I'm wrong. Didn't we have you
00:13:19.740actually on the campaign bus in Florida after you've done those great write-ups about South Carolina?
00:13:27.060How did that, how did that play out? How did that play out? Given the fact that, uh,
00:13:36.640Breitbart was known as kind of a, I would say this, a, a, a, a neutral, but Trump leaning,
00:13:41.860leaning site at the time. Why, uh, why was, uh, I say that facetiously, we were about, we were
00:13:47.500very pro Trump and Matt was the tip of the spear. How did that go down? You sitting on the
00:13:52.040campaign bus to getting ready for a big interview. It was pretty, it was pretty funny. So like,
00:13:56.760look, I mean, I obviously would reach out to all the different candidates, right? Like,
00:14:00.780and I will have a conversation with anybody about the issues. Um, so the, uh, one of the things that
00:14:06.580we did was, uh, during the 2016 race and Jeb Bush was one of the only ones who wouldn't do a sit down
00:14:11.660with us. And so he finally, once he realizes he got smoked in that debate, uh, I remember, uh,
00:14:17.640talking with, uh, several of his campaign advisors. I was like, guys, if you want to do an issue-based
00:14:21.640interview, I'll let him say his piece, right? Like, and I remember doing it, uh, it was after
00:14:25.680some speech he did with Lindsey Graham. If you remember, Lindsey Graham was still campaigning
00:14:29.400with Jeb, Jeb Bush. He hadn't moved over to Ted Cruz and then eventually Trump yet. Um, so, uh,
00:14:36.540Lindsey Graham and him did some big town hall or something in, uh, Northern South Carolina. I think
00:14:41.620it was in Rock Hill, right? Uh, about an hour, uh, South of Charlotte. And, uh, the, uh,
00:14:46.980Matt, Matt, Matt, Matt, Matt, hang on, hang on one second. I want to take, we got to take a break.
00:14:50.920I got it. This story is a classic. Another Matt Boyle classic. Short break, Matt Boyle on the other
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