Bannon's War Room - June 12, 2024


Episode 3680： Proven Evidence To Impeach Joe Biden


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On today's show, host Stephen K. Bannon is joined by Rep. Andy Biggs (R-VA) and Rep. Steve Israel (D-NJ) as they discuss the latest in the Joe Biden scandal and whether or not he should be impeached.

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00:00:00.000 On this vote, the yeas are 216, the nays are 207. 0.97
00:00:04.800 The resolution is adopted.
00:00:06.800 Without objection, the motion to reconsider is laid on the table.
00:00:16.040 This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
00:00:21.080 Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people.
00:00:24.980 The reason I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.
00:00:30.620 The people have had a belly full of it.
00:00:32.600 I know you don't like hearing that.
00:00:34.020 I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.
00:00:36.660 It's going to happen.
00:00:37.920 And where do people like that go to share the big lie?
00:00:41.320 MAGA media.
00:00:42.720 I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
00:00:48.060 Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
00:00:51.220 If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
00:00:58.140 War Room.
00:00:59.060 Here's your host, Stephen K.
00:01:01.140 Bannon.
00:01:07.580 It's Wednesday, 12 June, in the year of our Lord, 2024.
00:01:11.320 History was just made moments ago on the floor of the House of Representatives.
00:01:15.060 Natalie Winters will co-host for me from Palm Beach.
00:01:17.680 We've got Congressman Andy Biggs alive from Capitol Hill.
00:01:21.840 Congressman Biggs, walk us through what just happened.
00:01:25.480 What just happened is most Republicans, all but one Republican voted to hold Merrick Garland,
00:01:31.640 who's the Attorney General of the United States of America, in contempt of Congress for failure to respond to the subpoena.
00:01:39.660 Even after we gave him every benefit, every break, three committees subpoenaed him, and he basically thumbed his nose at us.
00:01:49.580 We had a hearing, and he refused and acknowledged that he was not going to give us the documents, the evidence that we had requested multiple times.
00:02:01.000 And so we held him in contempt.
00:02:02.560 Next step is it will be referred.
00:02:07.500 Okay, this is only the third time in the history of this republic this has ever happened, that Attorney General's ever been held in contempt of Congress.
00:02:15.160 Let's go back to the basics, because you've been on this kind of from the beginning.
00:02:19.400 What is the big deal about this tape, and why are they making such a big deal about holding them back?
00:02:24.380 What about her, the tapes, all of it?
00:02:26.680 Why have they decided to draw the line in the sand against the Republican House, which you guys have been pretty amenable to them up until now?
00:02:34.900 Why this issue?
00:02:36.480 Why the line in the sand now?
00:02:39.580 Well, here's the deal.
00:02:42.300 Special Counsel Hurt interviewed Joe Biden and also interviewed Joe Biden's biographer.
00:02:51.340 The transcript, they gave us the written transcript.
00:02:54.080 We wanted the audio, because Mr. Hurt, the nub of what he said is Joe Biden committed crimes.
00:03:01.580 He committed crimes by taking illegally classified information when he left the White House after his vice presidency.
00:03:08.920 He had them all the way back to the time he was a U.S. senator for almost 50 years ago, brother.
00:03:13.520 And so he had those, and then not only did he wrongfully have those, he actually disclosed still classified documents to his biographer and told his biographer they were classified.
00:03:28.880 So Hurt actually had every element to prosecute Joe Biden for.
00:03:36.120 However, Mr. Hurt decided that he wasn't going to prosecute or file charges because he said Joe Biden's memory was faulty and he would be sympathetic to a jury because he would seem like an old man with a faulty memory with good intentions or whatever.
00:03:53.840 So we, Liz, we look into whether he should be impeached, Joe Biden should be impeached for that and other things.
00:04:03.960 And also, when we're looking to oversee to say, well, is that the appropriate remedy and is that the way that special counsel should conduct an investigation of a sitting president, that became, we have that authority under the Constitution to actually acquire this information.
00:04:23.000 Mr. Hurt said that Joe Biden demonstrated faulty memory, but the transcript indicates that, but the audio is important because the DOJ just two weeks ago, Steve, admitted in a court proceeding that they actually edited the transcript.
00:04:44.560 And the cases are very clear on this. If you've edited the transcript or they've been changed or we can find out that they've been changed, then the subpoena party, which is us, Congress, has a right to get the audio because that's the best evidence and we can determine how material your changes were and we can determine what was going on.
00:05:06.620 They don't want us to have that evidence because, quite frankly, we believe that it will demonstrate two things.
00:05:13.740 Number one, Joe Biden engaged in criminal conduct.
00:05:17.860 And number two, that mentally he does have mental acuity problems.
00:05:23.920 And so that's why it's so important for us to have this information because with those two pieces of information, we can make a determination whether to impeach, we can make a decision whether we need to legislate differently and change policy.
00:05:37.100 To say this is a huge deal is to understate it because it's only the third time in the history of this republic that an attorney general, sitting attorney general, has been held in contempt of Congress.
00:05:49.620 Let me go back to your first point.
00:05:51.560 Are you saying that you need to hear the tapes because you, after reading the report and having testimony from her, you actually believe you need to hear the tapes to satisfy yourself and other members of Congress, I guess,
00:06:04.440 but you're a former prosecutor that crimes were actually, you don't buy hers assessment.
00:06:11.940 You believe the crimes might be committed, but you need to hear that audio tape to come to your own independent decision on that, your own independent judgment on that.
00:06:20.820 Yeah, here's the deal.
00:06:22.700 Her determined crimes had been committed.
00:06:25.460 That's Steve.
00:06:26.540 He basically was saying I might get a prosecutorial decision using prosecutorial discretion to say I'm not going to prosecute.
00:06:33.340 Well, we need to know how valid, how valid that was.
00:06:37.340 And one of the things that drove that was he said he was a feeble old man that had troubles with his memory, had trouble communicating.
00:06:46.520 And that and thus it's imperative for us to actually hear that best evidence to see if that warranted what Mr.
00:06:54.820 Her's decision was.
00:06:56.100 So, I mean, in my opinion, we already have impeachable evidence against Joe Biden on that issue alone, just on the classified.
00:07:05.160 But we also have it on all the, you know, selling of access and and influence peddling and that type of thing.
00:07:10.720 Those all come together.
00:07:12.260 But Mr.
00:07:13.040 Her made a decision and we need to determine how valid that was.
00:07:17.240 And the audio would help us determine that.
00:07:19.340 That's why I want to hear it.
00:07:20.520 You said he the Merrick Garland thumbed his nose at two or three committees already on this very topic, not even other things.
00:07:33.160 There was a whole bunch of consternation of whether you were going to get the vote.
00:07:37.040 And this has been like delayed a couple of weeks.
00:07:38.900 Are people in the House now because of this saying, yes, we've got to hear these tapes and that they're actually an interest in going forward with a potential impeachment if the audio is as bad as you think it may be?
00:07:55.340 Yeah, I think I think there is more interest.
00:07:58.080 And look, I'll be the first to admit that I think that that your case, I think, is elevated interest.
00:08:05.080 I think President Trump's case is elevated interest.
00:08:08.180 But I think the reality that Merrick Garland basically cannot defend his decision and people understand when you say, look, we just want to hear the hear the tape.
00:08:18.740 Let's let's hear what what actually was said and judge the veracity of the the script.
00:08:25.580 I think people say, yeah, that's not an unreasonable ask.
00:08:30.020 And so for him, for Merrick Garland to take the position that he did, he basically is saying, I don't care how rational it is.
00:08:39.600 And it's it speaks to a political purpose that the Democrats are engaged in a political cover up and people don't like cover ups.
00:08:49.240 I want to go back to your former prosecutor is Merrick Garland trying to stand or Jamie Raskin and his arguments today.
00:08:58.500 Are they trying to take a high moral ground on some reason or is there any reason a prosecutor wouldn't normally turn it over to a supervising group or a because you have a duty and an obligation by the Constitution of oversight of the executive branch?
00:09:15.160 Is there any higher moral ground that Raskin or Garland's hiding behind or Raskin's arguing?
00:09:22.000 And can you see any rationale yourself being a former prosecutor just not to turn it over?
00:09:27.280 No, here's the deal.
00:09:28.600 The arguments that they're making are specious.
00:09:30.520 The case law is pretty clear.
00:09:31.880 It's all on our side.
00:09:33.600 Their argument, which is, I think, really bad is, I mean, Merrick Garland, they made this weird argument that if we if we put it out there,
00:09:41.320 maybe somebody will get hold of it with A.I. and create deep fakes like there's no deep fakes that you could make of Joe Biden already.
00:09:47.960 OK, so that's nutty.
00:09:49.360 Then then the next thing that they're saying is, hey, we've got this deal where we sometimes we interview people.
00:09:55.200 And if they think that it's going to be released, we can release a transcript.
00:09:59.540 But if they think that an audio is going to be released, then they're not they're going to clam up.
00:10:03.020 That's about as loopy as you can get when you think about it, because the case law on this is is pretty clear.
00:10:11.160 I mean, the case that they're relying on basically said because Richard Nixon released the transcript of the audio tapes, he waived privilege.
00:10:21.160 And so for them to try to make a privilege argument or to say that that they have to protect witnesses, that just that's almost nonsensical.
00:10:31.380 So there is no moral high ground for them.
00:10:34.140 That's why it smacks and feels very much like they're trying to cover something up.
00:10:38.680 They just don't want this out there.
00:10:40.580 And, Mike, don't be don't be shocked if this thing goes on when they try to drag this thing out past the November election, because the last thing they want, in my opinion, is for this audio recording to be in in our hands before the election, because it would give us impetus to actually determine the validity of of the prosecutorial discretion claim made by Mr. Herr.
00:11:10.580 This now let's go to process.
00:11:12.900 This goes to the to the U.S. attorney.
00:11:14.940 What happens next?
00:11:16.840 Well, that's the deal is if he's if Merrick Garland is going to play it straight, like he said he was going to play it straight.
00:11:23.120 This should go probably to David Weiss, who's who's the guy who just prosecuted Hunter Biden.
00:11:31.120 But he's also the guy that gave Hunter Biden the sweetheart deal.
00:11:34.180 And it's almost impossible to determine where David Weiss is on this stuff.
00:11:38.180 But but that's where it should end up, where David Weiss gets it and should prosecute this, because this is a contempt case arising out of of Merrick Garland's withholding of evidence.
00:11:51.380 And so at the end of the day, though, that means correct me if I'm wrong.
00:11:57.500 That means was Merrick Garland, would he have to recuse himself or he'd be the overall decision maker?
00:12:04.140 Don't they have to go up and run it by the guy that heads DOJ, the attorney general?
00:12:09.060 Well, you would think that's what happened.
00:12:12.540 But Merrick Garland has assured us that David Weiss is an independent counsel, special prosecutor and that he can operate totally independently.
00:12:21.420 Now, we all view that with great deal of skepticism.
00:12:24.020 Right. So the the proof will be in the pudding.
00:12:27.660 Does he actually send this over to Weiss and say it's up to you?
00:12:30.940 And will Weiss have the the this spine, let's put it that way, to actually in engage in a prosecution, which is why I'm viewing this very skeptically.
00:12:44.180 And so this is why I've been encouraging my position is that the speaker has the authority without Congress, without even taking a vote, to appoint a special House counsel to actually engage in in a kind of a civil prosecution, if you will, of of this this contempt citation.
00:13:04.220 Is this is this show us now more combative, you've been pushing, whether it's the border, whether it's DOJ, the rule of law, you've been one of the people on the tip of the spear, I think, because you're a former prosecutor to say we have to be much more aggressive in our oversight, we have to be much more aggressive in what they're doing with the rule of law.
00:13:24.700 Do you think today is a signal and a signal sent to the Democrats, you guys are tired of playing happy clappy and you're going to start taking some action?
00:13:34.220 I think this does. This is a shot across the bow. I think there's another big item that that myself and Gates, say Massey Burleson from Missouri, a few others we've been working on.
00:13:46.440 If it comes to pass, you will hear about it in the next day or two, and it will be another shot across the bow to say we're tired of the weaponized DOJ, we're tired of the weaponized federal government.
00:14:01.880 And that that's what we're pushing hard on now, Steve. And yes, the reality is we have we've sent a signal to them that we've had enough because I'm a big believer and I've told you this before.
00:14:12.860 The pendulum is so far to the left right now. And it is attacking Americans of all stripes, but particularly conservatives. And when it does, it's we're not going to get back to equilibrium until we actually bring this back and impose pain on the left like they've imposed pain on conservatives and everyday Americans.
00:14:36.920 And that is the way you get back to equilibrium. And by equilibrium, I mean a fair and impartial administration of the law. You can't have freedom if you don't have the rule of law.
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00:16:19.200 War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
00:16:22.500 Congressman, just real quickly, I know everyone, you know, Morning Joe's about it every night, Rachel Maddow, they talk about, you know, retribution, revenge, all that.
00:16:36.920 That's not what this is.
00:16:38.100 Just walk our audience through, because you're a pretty even-handed guy, and guys like John Yoo and Andy McCarthy.
00:16:43.760 When you say the pendulum has to be brought back through action, what do you mean by that?
00:16:48.420 Well, what I mean is, right now, the weaponization is so far and so manifest and spread in the federal government, and they're inflicting pain on people.
00:17:00.400 And a lot of times, the pain isn't a conviction necessarily.
00:17:04.280 It is the process itself.
00:17:05.700 They're trying to bankrupt people and harm people.
00:17:08.160 To get back to the rule of law, you have to let them experience the pain of that.
00:17:12.600 So, for instance, in the Merrick Garland case, what I've suggested is two things.
00:17:17.580 First of all, you actually have House counsel, which is nonpartisan.
00:17:21.080 I believe that actually they're ready to actually take civil action to enforce this contempt citation.
00:17:29.100 So, that would be one way.
00:17:30.280 The other way is actually to appoint a special House counsel from the Speaker's office who is ready to go out there, who is a bulldog,
00:17:39.780 and will litigate this, and demand injunctive relief if necessary, basically go forward and say, look, if you're not going to prosecute it, we want it civilly,
00:17:53.600 and cause them to have to respond.
00:17:57.280 If the other side is always on the offense, then you never get back to equilibrium because we're always defensive.
00:18:04.580 And so, that's why I'm saying we have to use the courts.
00:18:07.920 We have to use litigation necessarily.
00:18:11.380 We have to use the funding that we're supposed to have.
00:18:15.900 Those types of things are critical.
00:18:18.780 So, I've mentioned the litigation, and I think that we can make that effective.
00:18:22.500 But, Steve, I just have to tell you, don't be surprised if you see a lot of people who talk like I do about funding,
00:18:31.680 who refuse to actually do something on funding, and they'll vote to just continue funding at the current levels for DOJ.
00:18:41.020 That is unacceptable.
00:18:42.740 That's unacceptable.
00:18:44.320 We have to hold them accountable.
00:18:46.480 If you're not going to hold somebody accountable, then you'd have no business being here.
00:18:50.600 Congressman, social media and website, people are going to want to follow this closely.
00:18:56.860 You're one of the leaders of this, a former prosecutor, a very tough hombre.
00:19:02.580 Where can people go?
00:19:04.280 Yeah, please go to bigs.house.gov.
00:19:06.480 That's where you'll find links to all of my stuff, my newsletters, all my videos, everything that we put out.
00:19:13.460 And I put out a lot of information because I'm trying to keep people informed, but that's the best way to get me, Steve.
00:19:18.280 Congressman, thank you for taking time, coming off the floor to do this.
00:19:22.880 Appreciate it.
00:19:23.260 I know you're busy.
00:19:24.520 Thanks, Steve.
00:19:25.120 Appreciate it.
00:19:27.280 Natalie, you've been at this for investigations, Fauci, you know, everything to do with CDC, all of it.
00:19:33.920 Your thoughts today, only third time in American history.
00:19:36.860 And finally, it looks like the sleeping giant may be waking up.
00:19:41.360 Your thoughts, ma'am?
00:19:41.960 I would just say, let the subpoenas fly.
00:19:46.500 I'm glad we're holding Merrick Garland in contempt of Congress.
00:19:49.020 But there are so many more people that we need to go after.
00:19:52.280 Just pulling a number out of my head.
00:19:53.780 How about the 51 intel officers who lied?
00:19:56.340 These are the people that we need to pull in and force to answer questions.
00:19:59.840 I don't really even like the private deposition-type style interviews, where they then take a few months to slow roll the release of everything they admit to.
00:20:08.420 I think we need in public hearings, sort of in the style of Anthony Fauci.
00:20:13.020 But I think we actually need to send our best and ask meaningful questions.
00:20:18.060 But look, Merrick Garland, I'm glad we're holding him in contempt of Congress.
00:20:22.260 But it's a little late, and these House Republicans need to get their act together and actually bring about some accountability.
00:20:28.980 And I think we need to make sure that we don't allow them to just sort of move the goalposts or use, frankly, what the left is using, I think, in some cases on us,
00:20:37.040 these kind of limited hangout-type strategies that we've been discussing very frequently on your show,
00:20:42.680 whether it's Peter Doshak or Hunter Biden, where they give the base some red meat, right?
00:20:47.100 The Fox News viewers, they think it'll appease them.
00:20:49.500 But let's actually roll in the same way that the Democrats do on people who defy congressional subpoenas.
00:20:55.220 I think you may have a little bit of experience with that, but it just shows you the double standard going on here.
00:21:02.960 Hang on, I'm going to come back to you in a second.
00:21:04.640 You're my co-host for this hour to talk about the meltdown that the Rachel Maddows, they're clearly worried, right, 0.98
00:21:12.440 because it's nonstop about us having retribution, you know, going after them unfairly.
00:21:17.500 It was you and I at CPAC who first said, it was CPAC, where I corrected you first, and I said,
00:21:23.200 Steve, it's not retribution, it's justice.
00:21:27.840 It's justice.
00:21:29.660 Perfect.
00:21:30.480 That'll be a red-letter day.
00:21:32.100 Julie Kelly now joins us from the actual worm itself at the nation's capitol on Capitol Hill.
00:21:38.800 Julie, historic day.
00:21:40.640 You have been at the tip of the spear of this.
00:21:42.380 You've dealt with Merrick Garland's Justice Department for years and what they've done to American citizens across the board,
00:21:49.420 not just J-6, Donald Trump, but also so many others.
00:21:53.760 Your thoughts today, ma'am?
00:21:56.380 I mean, I really applaud the Republicans for following through on this and for House leadership for making this happen.
00:22:03.320 You know, who knows what happens from here, but it definitely will get the attention of the American people
00:22:08.900 and to find out exactly why they voted for this contempt of Congress.
00:22:14.000 And, of course, quite frankly, not or refusing to release the audio version,
00:22:19.700 the recording of Joe Biden's interview with Robert Herr is probably one of the least offensive things
00:22:25.600 that Merrick Garland has done since he has been U.S. Attorney General.
00:22:29.140 To your point, weaponizing his office against Donald Trump, his associates, people like you, Peter Navarro,
00:22:35.840 and then 1,400 and counting January 6th protesters.
00:22:41.100 At the same time, Steve, as you know, following the classified documents case in Florida,
00:22:46.500 what a dirty, sloppy, corrupt racket the special counsel's office is.
00:22:53.160 And now all the details we're learning about the raid at Mar-a-Lago on August 8th of 2022
00:22:58.940 that Merrick Garland himself bragged about personally authorizing.
00:23:03.500 And that has become a disaster on many levels, not the least of which a motion this week filed by Trump's team
00:23:11.700 that again accuses Jack Smith's office and prosecutors and FBI investigators of mishandling evidence
00:23:20.180 while they were at Mar-a-Lago, and then, of course, after they left Mar-a-Lago.
00:23:25.560 So we're supposed to believe that Donald Trump willfully took, hoarded all of these national security files and materials
00:23:32.820 and hid them in Melania's bedroom suite where the FBI agents rummaged through there.
00:23:38.480 But then when the FBI actually got a hold of them, we know they were doctoring photos.
00:23:43.740 They were putting cover sheets on top of some of these files to make it look like that's how they were found.
00:23:48.240 And now they've said from the very beginning, the defense attorneys, that this has been sloppy while the raid was going on.
00:23:56.640 And they did not follow proper FBI protocol in the handling of not just classified files or papers that were responsive to the warrant,
00:24:06.140 but also privileged communications, including apparently correspondence between Donald Trump and his attorneys.
00:24:13.260 What's so interesting is why—because people are kind of lost the fact that what Merrick Garland held back the tapes
00:24:25.840 is the same, you know, except I think a bigger crime than what President Trump is.
00:24:31.100 I mean, you've kind of got this Jack Smith made up, you know, the raid on Mar-a-Lago.
00:24:35.480 They brought down, you know, the special operations teams that could start firing at people.
00:24:40.420 They ransacked the place.
00:24:41.840 They put phony things on there.
00:24:43.400 You're saying that the 27th, 28th, and 28th, I think originally, was going to be where Jack Smith was put on trial
00:24:49.720 with collusion between National Archives, White House Counsel's Office, Jack Smith.
00:24:54.160 You've got all that.
00:24:56.120 Is the Biden thing—because that was also classified documents.
00:24:59.260 Are these audio tapes that bad?
00:25:02.000 Is that why they have to—that's why he would take a contempt charge?
00:25:07.600 Because the audio tapes in the Biden situation is that bad, ma'am?
00:25:12.320 It must be.
00:25:13.760 Not only—we can imagine what Joe Biden sounded like these two days of interviews.
00:25:18.640 I mean, we can read it in the transcripts, these rambling passages where he goes on and on about things
00:25:23.980 that had nothing to do with the investigation, bringing up his son's death, and then later
00:25:32.660 claiming that Robert Herr was the one who brought up the death of his son, when the transcript
00:25:37.720 demonstrates that Joe Biden himself did, because he couldn't even get the years right in his
00:25:43.620 mind as to where he was or when he would have taken these records after he was the vice president
00:25:51.080 and then take them home.
00:25:52.400 So—but again, I want to underscore and go back to some other points about Merrick Garland.
00:25:58.060 Merrick Garland is very good at attempting to conceal videos or any sort of recordings from
00:26:04.220 the American people.
00:26:05.380 He was the one—his Department of Justice, for years, tried to keep all of the security
00:26:10.980 footage from the Capitol on January 5th and 6th out of the hands of the American people,
00:26:17.620 even under the hands of defendants.
00:26:19.400 And so now we have Republicans in Congress, Barry Loudermilk, who is chairman of the subcommittee
00:26:25.180 investigating the J-6 committee and January 6th, now posting big chunks of that video.
00:26:32.560 So Merrick Garland, his DOJ, hopelessly corrupt, double standard of justice, as we all know,
00:26:40.960 heavily weaponized all of his authority against people on the right and concealing evidence that the
00:26:47.560 American people deserve to see and hear, whether it's the recording of this transcript or whether
00:26:53.920 it's videos related to what they call a domestic terror attack and, you know, one of the worst
00:26:59.120 things that's ever happened since Pearl Harbor.
00:27:01.300 That would be their made-up stuff about J-6. 1.00
00:27:07.880 I know you've got to go to a speech, but I just want to hold you through a break for a
00:27:11.120 second.
00:27:11.520 But can you get us—we've got about a minute.
00:27:13.660 Can you start to get us up to date?
00:27:15.320 Because I understand the motion to dismiss didn't go through.
00:27:17.920 What's actually happening in the Mar-a-Lago situation?
00:27:20.680 Well, there was one motion to dismiss.
00:27:24.020 There are probably eight or nine defense motions to dismiss this case.
00:27:28.580 This was one of the, I think, more far-fetched ones that she denied this week.
00:27:33.180 But she still has selective vindictive prosecution motion. 1.00
00:27:36.640 And this motion was to—was to—related to suppressing evidence that was collected during the
00:27:44.320 Mar-a-Lago raid because the warrant was falsified.
00:27:48.120 It was too broad.
00:27:49.440 Agents did not follow through on that warrant.
00:27:51.760 And they want to suppress that evidence and now dismiss it for spoilation of evidence that
00:27:57.400 they seized at Mar-a-Lago that day.
00:28:00.800 Julie, just hang on for one second. 0.89
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00:31:30.780 Julie Kelly, we're blessed to have you in the nation's capital.
00:31:35.460 You're actually coming for some pretty big events.
00:31:37.620 Before we talk about Nancy Pelosi, what could possibly happen tomorrow, ma'am?
00:31:41.820 So, as you know, the Supreme Court's term ends at the end of this month, and we are awaiting two big opinions.
00:31:50.720 The first, of course, is related to presidential immunity, whether a president, former president, is immune from criminal prosecution for acts in office.
00:31:59.760 That's out of the Jack Smith, January 6th indictment, so we're waiting for that.
00:32:04.560 But the one I'm most looking forward to, I think, is the opinion in Joseph Fisher, and that is one of the January 6th defendants, one of 350-plus who have been charged with 1512C2 obstruction of an official proceeding.
00:32:20.340 That is the post-Enron document shredding statute that Merrick Garland's DOJ, Lisa Monaco, Deputy Attorney General, have weaponized against J-6ers. 0.99
00:32:33.040 And it sounded like during oral arguments on April 16th that a pretty strong majority, or at least a good majority, of the justices were very skeptical about the DOJ's weaponizing of that statute,
00:32:48.060 intentionally misinterpreting the broad language in that statute to criminalize political dissent and to criminalize political demonstrations.
00:32:58.300 So we could get that tomorrow morning.
00:33:00.960 Opinions are announced at 10 a.m.
00:33:02.760 I will be standing by for that.
00:33:05.440 And, Steve, if they do reverse how DOJ has used 1512C2, this will create a you-know-what storm at the D.C. Federal Courthouse just down the street here,
00:33:18.140 because you have at least 17 judges on the D.C. District and Appellate Court who allowed that count to move forward, refused to dismiss it against J-6ers,
00:33:28.260 even though they knew this was not the intention of the law.
00:33:33.260 And you are going to see a deluge of motions at that courthouse asking for release from prison, to vacate convictions, to drop the cases.
00:33:44.260 The judges are preparing for it, but hang on, but hang on, but hang on, hang on.
00:33:51.360 That's the motions and everything for these guys to get out of jail.
00:33:53.820 But this could be one of the most important decisions in Supreme Court history.
00:33:58.160 This is why they've been on the Supreme Court attacking them relentlessly to trim their sails, hoping if they reverse this, this will be a firestorm.
00:34:08.040 You will actually – the Supreme Court will have said that not just the Justice Department, but the federal judiciary, including appellate courts,
00:34:15.500 have essentially weaponized the whole judicial system against a group of American citizens.
00:34:24.080 That has never happened before in the history of this republic, ma'am, or am I mistaken?
00:34:29.160 No, you are correct, and I've had other defense attorneys describe it just that way.
00:34:34.500 This will go to the heart.
00:34:36.180 The heart of the January 6th prosecution will be ripped out if this felony count is overturned.
00:34:42.880 And you're right, there's nothing that's been similar to this in American history.
00:34:49.660 And it will go – speak directly to the wrongful prosecution of January 6th protesters.
00:34:57.680 And it will support all of us who have been describing January 6th defendants as political prisoners.
00:35:05.040 Because you will have the Supreme Court's imprimatur in terms of reversing how the DOJ and federal courts used – illegally, unlawfully used this statute –
00:35:19.040 to turn political protesters, many of whom committed no other violent act, to turn them into convicted lifelong felons.
00:35:26.880 And as you know, we have at least one individual, Matthew Perna, who committed suicide after he was told his plea deal for 1512C2 would result in a few years in prison.
00:35:40.020 And this has destroyed many lives.
00:35:42.980 There has to be accountability.
00:35:44.340 I know we talk about it over and over on this show.
00:35:47.240 But these judges and the former Chief Judge Beryl Howell, the current judge, James Bosberg, they have to be held to account for what they've done to 350-plus J6ers. 1.00
00:36:01.040 And the whole concept, the American judicial system.
00:36:05.100 And President Trump is charged with this, too, correct, ma'am?
00:36:08.360 Correct.
00:36:09.020 This represents half, two of the four counts in Jack Smith's four-count indictment against Donald Trump for January 6th.
00:36:15.360 So this could have repercussions all over the political spectrum.
00:36:20.120 And people are telling me, Chuck, and we'll get to this later at another time, but Chuck, and it's all bound.
00:36:24.520 If it's got to be October, she's going to go.
00:36:26.020 It's out of control, and that's why this decision of Fisher is so enormous.
00:36:29.120 And this is why they're attacking the Supreme Court.
00:36:31.720 Payoletta told you today to trim your sails on these decisions, immunity and Fisher.
00:36:38.720 Real quickly, I know you've got a bunch of speeches tomorrow night, but talk to me about the revelation of Nancy Pelosi and what she said in the car on the documentary footage.
00:36:48.900 Well, just think if the Fisher ruling is against the Department of Justice.
00:36:55.780 And now you've got another angle of the January 6th narrative completely disintegrating, and that is, of course, blaming Donald Trump for not deploying the National Guard.
00:37:05.000 And now we have Nancy Pelosi on tape, whether it was staged or not, not really sure what her motivation is.
00:37:11.760 She knew her daughter was filming her.
00:37:13.680 She knew what was happening that day.
00:37:15.100 She knew that this film would be produced at some point, saying that,
00:37:20.000 I take responsibility, this is what she said in the car driving from the Capitol to Fort McNair, I take responsibility for the Capitol not being secure.
00:37:29.680 Now, of course, it was her responsibility.
00:37:33.340 She was the Speaker of the House. 0.99
00:37:35.560 Her Sergeant at Arms, Paul Irving, and Mitch McConnell's Sergeant at Arms, Michael Stenger, repeatedly rebuffed calls for the National Guard by then Capitol Police Chief Steve Sund.
00:37:48.640 So we've been told, the American people, the J6 Committee, this was Donald Trump's fault.
00:37:54.600 It never was his fault.
00:37:56.400 It's actually a few individuals and agencies who were responsible for deploying the National Guard.
00:38:03.120 We now know it was delayed until after 5 o'clock that day.
00:38:07.080 This relates to the piece on my substack about Mark Milley and Ryan McCarthy.
00:38:11.200 So this has actually created more questions about the deployment of the National Guard.
00:38:18.140 And now Nancy Pelosi, knowing that she said that in the car, knowing this footage existed, House Republicans got a hold of it, and now Nancy Pelosi and MSNBC are trying to spin it.
00:38:30.540 But she said what she said, and she always was primarily responsible.
00:38:35.500 And the question is, why did they leave the Capitol so intentionally unsecure on January 6th?
00:38:44.200 Julie Kelly, where do people go to get your substack, your tweets, the website, all of it, your book?
00:38:53.280 Thanks, Steve.
00:38:54.040 Declassified with Julie Kelly at substack.
00:38:56.420 I'm also a contributor to Real Clear Investigations.
00:39:00.040 I post a lot of breaking news, court motions on ex-Twitter, Julie underscore Kelly, too.
00:39:05.500 Julie Kelly, thank you.
00:39:09.800 You almost look like a host there in the war room.
00:39:11.940 We're going to have to sign you up.
00:39:14.460 Thank you, ma'am.
00:39:17.040 Natalie, your thoughts, first off, you've been at this war for now a couple of three years, probably going on four years, maybe five years.
00:39:24.560 The Pelosi tapes and why they're coming out now.
00:39:27.060 I mean, we're in the run-up to an election.
00:39:29.260 You have this massive Fisher decision that's going to come out.
00:39:32.420 But why is it taking so long?
00:39:34.380 And why are all these things happening now?
00:39:36.240 Why is the Pelosi tapes happening now?
00:39:38.780 Did the Democrats just better at stonewalling? 1.00
00:39:42.000 Are they just better at the slow roll, ma'am?
00:39:45.820 Well, if we're throwing in other names for potential war room co-hosts, I think we've got to have Mrs. Justice Alito in the running, 1.00
00:39:53.900 because I think she would be an epic war room co-host.
00:39:57.240 I think she's who you should choose.
00:39:59.720 No, no.
00:40:00.700 No, no.
00:40:01.520 When I'm gone, when I'm gone, I want you and Martha Ann to co-host together in D.C.
00:40:09.400 Well, then I have one more question for you.
00:40:12.160 Can we change the logo to have the pride flag with shame in the middle?
00:40:20.260 No.
00:40:21.300 She can.
00:40:22.280 Hey, she says she thinks them up in her head every day.
00:40:24.960 She can have it.
00:40:25.600 You guys can do whatever you want.
00:40:26.880 I love her.
00:40:28.540 Okay.
00:40:28.860 Julie Kelly's tough, but Alito's at the whole next level.
00:40:30.420 The feminine touch in the war room.
00:40:33.280 But no, to answer your question, you know the mainstream media works in lies of omission.
00:40:38.800 And I think you've got to juxtapose with the way that they typically handle stories that are unflattering, right, of the regime.
00:40:45.820 The typical playbook is the Russian disinformation story.
00:40:50.340 It's the Hunter Biden hard drive story, right?
00:40:52.520 It's the Russia collusion hoax.
00:40:54.020 We know that's sort of the jugular that they always go for.
00:40:57.740 But I think they know that that's not working.
00:40:59.700 And frankly, I think that's why we saw this sort of shoddy attempt at a limited hangout when it came to the Hunter Biden gun conviction, right?
00:41:07.120 They know that the American people are no longer falling for what could only be described as their BS, complete and utter BS, when it comes to just dismissing things as either, you know, products of Russian disinformation campaigns or, frankly, even just the D word disinformation itself.
00:41:22.840 So I think that's why you're starting to see the just curious times, this kind of trickling out of information, because I think they know their old playbooks, right?
00:41:32.980 The Praetorian Guard that you so frequently talk about.
00:41:36.180 It doesn't really have the same effect anymore, right?
00:41:39.200 You can only dismiss something as disinformation so much.
00:41:42.700 And frankly, I think the appetite of the American people for this, you know, democracy drivel, right, this narrative that they've been beating into our heads for years now, I think they're realizing that it's not cutting through, right?
00:41:55.800 That was sort of, I think, their second-ditch effort after all the lawfare.
00:41:59.840 But I think for them, maybe even the projection is too much.
00:42:03.140 You can't be the party that's prosecuting your political opponents and still, you know, standing on a shining hill and screaming about how we need to preserve and protect our democracy.
00:42:12.500 So I think we're really in it—I mean, I'm pretty black-pilled, but I think we're in very interesting times where they know their old tactics are no longer working, and they know that they quite literally have to throw their opposition in jail in order to silence us, because their typical tactics have kind of fallen or make moot points.
00:42:35.800 In seeing this—in seeing the tactics not work, is this also why—and by the way, I'm going to hold this, your answer, until after the break.
00:42:47.400 But is this why—because, you know, as you know, we curate this, you do this every day for a living and think this thing through on the information warfare side.
00:42:56.000 I've never seen a level of fear that you can see in these people now.
00:43:00.480 From Rachel Maddow being—I'm going to be thrown in jail, to AOC, to Comey and McCabe as deputy, I mean, mourning Joe, every—it's nonstop.
00:43:12.080 I know part of it is to say, oh, Trump's on retribution, you don't want to vote for him, but there's something, you know, it's almost like a—we call it a primal scream from a dying regime, but you can now feel it.
00:43:22.700 I'm going to ask you to give us your assessment. Is that another—is that another misdirection play or something to convince voters because they won't take the disinformation anymore, or is it more serious than that?
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00:45:46.440 A lot of people were shocked with your, you know, endorsement of Donald Trump.
00:45:50.380 I mean, you're all about women's rights issues. 0.82
00:45:52.660 I mean, what was the reason for the big change?
00:45:54.500 Is Donald Trump not for women's rights issues?
00:45:58.060 I mean, I guess a lot of people were asking.
00:45:59.720 He's trying to make America great again.
00:46:01.180 That's for women, too, right? 1.00
00:46:02.720 That's true.
00:46:03.480 I mean...
00:46:03.980 Okay.
00:46:04.240 Well, there you go.
00:46:05.260 I know.
00:46:05.700 Does him getting convicted, like, change the way you view him?
00:46:08.760 Not at all.
00:46:09.740 I mean, do you think he'll help his chances, like, getting, like, re-elected or, like, you'll hurt him?
00:46:14.700 I think it helps him more.
00:46:16.320 Oh, it helps him more.
00:46:17.440 Yeah, absolutely.
00:46:18.180 I think people see the injustice in what happened, and they want to vote for him more than ever.
00:46:24.580 I know.
00:46:24.880 I wanted to ask you.
00:46:25.680 So it seems like a lot of celebrities are kind of, like, voting for Trump now.
00:46:30.020 I mean, why do you think people are kind of, like, changing their way of, like...
00:46:33.220 I think we just did our research, and we're just, you know, we're not brainwashed anymore by the left.
00:46:40.320 I can say that about myself.
00:46:42.320 All these years, I've been brainwashed, and I'm not anymore.
00:46:46.320 So.
00:46:49.780 Natalie, you can smell the fear on one hand.
00:46:51.680 I think one of the reasons is what Amber Rose, the American people, and how she's just so straightforwardly cuts through all of it.
00:46:58.640 Your thoughts?
00:46:59.100 Well, to answer your previous question, because I think it ties in with that wonderful clip there that I usually don't trust celebrities, I guess a broken clock is right once a day, twice a day.
00:47:12.840 You know, Steve, when you look at the timing of things, I think that that is one of the most important things when it comes to following the news, understanding how the left, the regime, works in narratives, right?
00:47:23.480 They have a process, the wash, rinse, repeat, from the pages of the New York Times to the Washington Post to lead MSNBC.
00:47:30.120 And it's not just lies, but it's more precisely, it's lies of a mission, right?
00:47:34.440 And I think timing is so important to these people.
00:47:37.180 You know, we always talk about pattern recognition here in the war room.
00:47:40.440 And make no mistake, Steve, the day when we heard that your appeal was not going to be granted, do you know what was so interesting about the previous day?
00:47:48.560 You and I were here hosting in Palm Beach, and we said stuff that we typically always say on air.
00:47:55.020 Media Matters, they took the quote from it.
00:47:57.320 The criminals and traitors around Biden, you should be very worried.
00:48:01.520 We also led the CNN political kind of roundup daily newsletter that day.
00:48:06.780 Now, that's sort of curious because we say things like that pretty frequently on this show, right?
00:48:11.020 But it's interesting to me that the timing of all this seems to converge and that the day after that we come out strongly advocating that we go after these people.
00:48:20.620 And I don't even like the term go after because it's justified.
00:48:22.960 It really is justice.
00:48:24.060 It's not retribution.
00:48:25.580 That you see them start to weaponize the state against the people that they know are an actual existential threat to the existing rules-based order, to the administrative state, to the swamp.
00:48:36.040 Again, that's too cutesy a term, but to the permanent political class, right?
00:48:39.560 And when you look at their outrage to a statement like that, the criminals and traitors around Biden, you should be very worried.
00:48:47.540 CNN was in meltdown over that.
00:48:49.560 You know what?
00:48:50.060 The criminals and traitors around Joe Biden should be worried.
00:48:53.740 I'm missing the mark.
00:48:54.840 I'm missing the point where that's a controversial statement to make.
00:48:57.840 But that shows you how far down the rabbit hole we've gotten where these criminals and traitors feel emboldened to get away with it.
00:49:04.780 Because you know why?
00:49:05.540 They do, because they have dozens of intel officers who will weaponize their security clearances to lie to the American people with no shame.
00:49:15.220 And when they're followed up by Fox News just yesterday for comment if they still stand by their signatures on that document, they said, of course.
00:49:22.720 Of course we do.
00:49:23.880 They know they can get away with it.
00:49:25.500 Maybe they'll get a vote to be held in contempt of Congress, but really, realistically, it's going to materialize from that.
00:49:30.660 They know the House Republicans that we have are controlled opposition, the people who are actual fighters.
00:49:36.180 I could count not even on two hands, on one hand.
00:49:39.220 But that's what we're up against.
00:49:40.560 We're up against people who think it is an outrageous thing to say we are going to go after and arrest criminals and traitors.
00:49:48.400 That's not a hot take.
00:49:49.880 That's called the rule of law.
00:49:51.260 Natalie, where do people follow you, ma'am?
00:49:56.900 Natalie G. Winters on all social media platforms.
00:50:01.500 I can't top that.
00:50:03.360 Media matters.
00:50:04.740 If they're doing their job, I'll have a clip right there.
00:50:07.040 Natalie Winters is spectacular.
00:50:07.940 I'm practicing.
00:50:08.360 Thank you very much, ma'am.
00:50:10.060 Thank you.
00:50:10.600 We'll see you.
00:50:11.240 You're going to get a lot of reps, as they say in football.
00:50:14.740 We'll see you in Detroit, ma'am.
00:50:15.920 Thank you so much.
00:50:17.600 Natalie G. Winters.
00:50:18.620 Mike Lindell.
00:50:20.660 We got big news, I think, on the Robin Voss situation.
00:50:24.160 Absolutely, Steve.
00:50:25.200 I'm just reading it here.
00:50:26.120 I just got it.
00:50:26.740 It was filed about 10 minutes ago, everybody.
00:50:29.740 And I want to do a shout out to the great lawyer, Kevin Scott, all the work he's done in Wisconsin to get this thing filed today.
00:50:37.060 And now the Wisconsin Election Committee or Commission, whatever you call it, is they've got to make a decision now to, which there's no other way they can not say that this recall will be on January, I mean, on July 9th, everybody.
00:50:53.280 Tuesday, July 9th.
00:50:54.820 And so great work for everybody on the ground.
00:50:59.940 And this took months, Steve.
00:51:01.600 You know, this was the second recall.
00:51:03.520 We learned a lot from the first one.
00:51:05.420 And the second one was we had it all together, and they've done such a great job.
00:51:10.140 And Robin Voss is off.
00:51:11.760 Mike, real quickly.
00:51:14.440 We only got a couple minutes.
00:51:15.500 Real quickly.
00:51:15.980 Why is it so important?
00:51:17.080 Tell this audience the blockers, like in Georgia and Wisconsin, particularly Wisconsin, because this election could come down to Wisconsin.
00:51:23.740 Why is it so important?
00:51:25.020 You guys, all of our things to secure our election platforms and everything we've been doing, all the stuff that they did illegally in 2020, Robin Voss has blocked everything to make that the status quo, basically.
00:51:38.660 Let's do the same stuff that went on in 2020.
00:51:41.600 And he has blocked everything we've done for our party and for the grassroots and everybody, for the mega movement, everything.
00:51:49.080 Robin Voss blocks everything we do.
00:51:51.960 And he's the Speaker of the House.
00:51:53.500 So you start at the top.
00:51:55.100 You get rid of him, and the doors are going to open for us in Wisconsin.
00:51:58.780 It's so important.
00:52:00.340 We've got to roll to the 6 o'clock show.
00:52:02.980 I've got a minute.
00:52:03.760 Give me a deal.
00:52:04.860 Our audience wants deals.
00:52:06.160 What do we got today?
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