Episode 3723： WarRoom Special： Next Man Up
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Summary
Steve Bannon is going to prison for the next four months. This after the Supreme Court rejected his last-minute appeal to stave off his four month sentence for defying subpoenas from the House Judiciary Committee. In a new interview, former White House strategist Steve Bannon talks about why he thinks President Trump will win re-election in 2020.
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in Connecticut. This after the Supreme Court rejected his last-minute appeal to stave off
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his four-month sentence for defying subpoenas from the House January 6th Committee.
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Vaughn, you spoke with Steve Bannon on Saturday. What did he have to say?
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Mika, I think Steve Bannon is important for two reasons. Number one, he's going to prison because
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he defied the January 6th Select Committee. He did not, therefore, answer questions under oath.
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About his two phone calls with Donald Trump on January 5th. His two phone calls with Donald
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Trump on January 6th. He did not have to turn over any evidence. That is why Steve Bannon is going to
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prison for the next four months. Number two, Steve Bannon has, his microphone has only grown ever since
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leaving the White House's chief strategist. He's essentially modern-day Rush Limbaugh. He has a
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daily podcast that is simulcasted online and on TV. It's called War Room. There are a major
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subsect of the American population, fervent Trump loyalists that watch Steve Bannon on a daily basis,
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and I think that he is a real signal as to where the MAGA movement goes even beyond Donald Trump's
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presidency or potential presidency. Take a listen to part of our conversation.
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Just this month, in Detroit, up on a stage, you said that there is no chance that the Democrats are
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going to win this. No chance. If they declare that they do, then it was stolen. They're stealing it,
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100%. But you know that elections in the United States are close. You know that there is a very
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reasonable chance that the Democrats win the White House again. To go, why go and sow that distrust in
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the American? Why go and sow that distrust in the American? Because, Von Heriard, I knew that Thursday
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night was going to happen. How can you sit there, unrelated to the facts? I sat there because we
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know and we follow every day that Joe Biden is feeble, that Joe Biden is feeble. And MSNBC stopped.
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That doesn't mean that the American public may not vote for him again.
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Are you kidding me? Have you seen the polls? Have you seen the New York Times? Have you seen MSNBC?
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That is not evidence of voter fraud. That is not evidence.
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I didn't say that. It is zero chance that Democrats can win this.
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But you know it's not zero chance, though. It's zero chance.
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That's not how elections work. Voters go vote. They're not zero percent chance.
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What does the MAGA movement look like after Donald Trump? Five, ten, ten years from now?
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I think the MAGA movement, I think you see it right now. And one thing, on the spectrum of MAGA,
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I believe that President Trump, who's a very kind-hearted guy and a big-hearted guy,
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I would say President Trump is a moderate in our movement. And I think they're,
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the MAGA movement is shifting day by day, farther right.
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Yeah, definitely. President Trump's a moderate.
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Steve Bannon is an important voice that we have to keep coming back to,
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because regardless of how November turns out for Donald Trump,
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there's people like Steve Bannon, whose microphone will continue to reign.
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And clearly, based off of the results in France yesterday,
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we know that the MAGA movement will continue to exist in some form.
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He is a major source of disinformation in this country.
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We have the full interview here with Steve Bannon online,
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but he is somebody who continues to propagate information like the fact that there is no way
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He's the one who suggests that the January 6th was a federal government setup,
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yet in our interview, he could not name a single individual or accuse a single individual
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who was a federal agent there at the Capitol on January 6th.
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But Steve Bannon will be at about noon hour here this morning going to prison for the next four months.
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He will be released the week before this 2024 election.
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So the entire interview available online, Vaughn, that was incredible.
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No, I'm excited because, hey, I don't give two f*** about going to Danbury prison, okay?
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We're going to take down Merrick Garland, Lisa Monaco, and the corrupt DOJ, and the FBI, and all of it.
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I'm excited because MAGA's going to let out a roar tonight and tomorrow and the next day and the next day
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and burn it all down until we get to November 5th, where President Trump's going to win in a landslide.
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So I'm very excited, and I'm particularly excited for the audience of Turning Point, Real America's Voice, War Room, all of it.
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Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people.
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Here's what I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.
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I know you've tried to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.
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And where do people like that go to share the big lie?
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I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
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Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
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If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
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It's Monday, 1 July in the year of our Lord, 2024.
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We are live from just down the road from Danbury Prison.
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We're going to go live outside the prison with Marjorie Taylor Greene and Real America's Voice, Brian Glenn, in a moment, as soon as we get some sound set up.
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We've got Mike Davis on the steps of the Supreme Court, as the immunity opinion should be coming out any second.
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And we've got Dave Bratt in the studio, Ben Harnwell in the studio.
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In a total meltdown, we did a couple interviews over the weekend with MSNBC and ABC, and their heads are blowing up.
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David Brooks has got a big column out in the New York Times.
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They're not handling the fact that the war room is going to continue and even be bigger.
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They thought they were shutting the whole place down.
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You're going to be one of the 10 to 20 co-hosts who are going to be rotating through here to make sure we hit it every day.
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You've looked around the corner years ahead of time.
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We are the force multiplier here on the war room.
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Everybody today is going to spread the word, spread this clip to all their friends, texting, emailing, sharing in church, getting out the vote, so that this period of history can never continue.
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The morning Mika's are freaking out because they've been lying to the American people for years.
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This administrative state is being overturned by Chevron.
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The Supreme Court is hopefully coming out with another very strong decision.
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So far, two or three just earth-shaking Supreme Court decisions that will shape the next decade to come structurally.
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The debate has the left in just a total freefall right now.
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They went from let's kick Joe Biden out to now they're circling the wagons.
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If you think of the last 72-90 hours, we've had the fall of Macron in France.
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Nigel Farage have Trump-like rallies in England.
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The end of the Tory party, as we know it, Nigel will take that over in opposition.
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You've had the overturning of Fisher, which is going to lead to a major and massive investigation of the Justice Department,
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why innocent Americans are in prison right now on felony charges.
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Of course, you had the debacle of the debate and really exposing the same people that lied to you about stealing the 2020 election
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are the same people that were lying to you about the cadaver that currently sits in the White House and causing this national security issue.
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We have Congressman Marjorie Taylor Greene and Real America's Voice own Brian Glenn outside of Danbury Prison,
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Well, Steve, we're now surrounded by the war room posse.
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Free betting, free betting, free betting, free betting, free betting.
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But, Steve, as you know, we had a little counter protesters out here as well, but all it takes is for these guys to show up.
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I know Marjorie was excited to see them as well.
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You've got a lot of support here in Connecticut, but we know you have more support all over the country.
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There are so many people in the war room posse, and I'm telling you, this is going to multiply it by 10,000.
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Congressman Greene, one of the things we wanted to do was to make sure that we appreciate Speaker Johnson having the blag
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But this is not going to stop until we stop it.
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What is your recommendation for folks in the House of Representatives?
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Well, you know, I said earlier, Steve, I've been very upset with my conference, our Republican-controlled House.
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And, you know, I feel like this situation was handled like starving dogs at the dinner table
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where you toss a few crumbs out in the late midnight hour to try to make everybody happy.
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This situation should have been dealt with when we took the majority.
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We should have voted that the January 6th committee was illegitimate.
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We should have voted that none of the contempt of Congress charges should have any merit.
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This is something that we should have done right away, and I really wish that we would have.
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We have four months, four months before the November 5th election.
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Republicans in Congress need to show the American people that they aren't going to allow American citizens
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to be locked up like so many of the January 6th defendants.
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We have to show up and we have to vote to defund Jack Smith.
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We have to work harder to stop the weaponized government, and that's what I'm going to be carrying this message back to my colleagues.
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Real quickly, Steve wants to know what's your name, where you're from, and why'd you turn out today?
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I'm from Westchester County, New York, and I've been on the posse for years.
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We watch you for four hours a day, four years in a row.
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I'm Rosie from the Villages, but I also live in Connecticut.
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Now, show of raise of hands and voice for President Trump and where you live.
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Does he have overwhelming support for this election?
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People are poor where I'm staying, and they're all for Trump.
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Biggest issues on the ballot this year or what?
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And I know that, Margie, you've had something to say.
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We've got to break up the administrative state because it's 40 years, and there's a big change.
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Of course, the immigration, the border's a big deal.
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Oh, yeah, and there's people in parts are driving by.
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The people right there are telling you what the top issues are.
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Those are the same issues that you talk to President Trump about all the time, every day?
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The issues that matter to the people that have showed up here today are the exact issues that President Trump talks about at every single rally.
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They're the issues that his campaign has worked together.
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Agenda 47, these are all the most important issues for President Trump.
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We've had over 12 million people enter the United States since Joe Biden took office.
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That should matter to every American, no matter how you vote, because women and children are being raped and murdered.
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People are being killed by illegal alien crime.
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300 people are dying every single day from fentanyl poisoning.
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And this is the number one issue for President Trump.
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One lady here mentioned there's many poor people where she lives.
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People are being crippled and crushed under inflation.
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But everything that the war room posse and supporters here today, Trump supporters, Steve Bannon supporters are talking about,
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are exactly what President Trump is campaigning hard, that he's going to fix when he becomes president again.
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A lot of voters that I've talked to that have been agnostic before have never voted in any kind of election.
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See the weaponization of our DOJ against you and against President Trump.
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So they can identify with that and they're coming to the voting booth coming over by 5th as well.
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President Trump says they're coming for him, but they're really coming for the audience.
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Well, we're going to have a major decision come out today from the Supreme Court on whether the president of the United States, any president of the United States, is immune from criminal prosecution for his official acts.
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And I think, based upon what we heard at oral arguments, at least five justices on the Supreme Court are going to side with President Trump on this case in a very narrow holding.
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It should be nine to nothing if these justices actually understood that if you do not find that there is immunity, criminal immunity for the president of the United States for his official acts,
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you're going to destroy the presidency and therefore destroy our country.
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But that decision is going to come out at any moment.
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How do you – did you hear the scuttlebutt that there's going to be five justices on a narrow definition of immunity?
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That's just what, based upon, you know, when I clerked on the Supreme Court and knowing these justices and knowing how they think and listening to them at oral arguments,
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it seems there's going to be at least five justices in the majority.
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Maybe Barrett is somewhere in the middle or maybe she even joins the three liberals on the dissent.
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But I would say that this is so much bigger than one president.
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If you do not hold that the presidents are immune from criminal prosecution for their official acts,
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you're going to see the Trump 47 Justice Department potentially prosecuting President Obama
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for his illegal drone strike on two American citizens.
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You could see President Trump's Justice Department prosecuting President Biden
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for his illegal mass parole of 10 million-plus illegal immigrants into our country
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You could see President Trump, Trump's 47 Justice Department even prosecute George W. Bush
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for lying about weapons of mass destruction and the resulting hundreds of thousands of deaths in Iraq.
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The Supreme Court understands that if they do not protect the presidency here,
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On a practical basis about President Trump and lawfare against President Trump,
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Friday's Fisher decision and then the immunity,
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is it your belief that completely guts Chuck and Jack Smith's efforts
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to try to imprison President Trump in Washington, D.C. with these federal charges?
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Well, there are four January 6th charges against President Trump in D.C.
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by this Biden special counsel, Jack Smith, and this Obama judge, Tanya Shutkin.
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Two of those four charges are mortally wounded with the Fisher decision,
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and then presidential immunity will probably get rid of another 20 or 30 percent of Jack Smith's case.
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So you might have 20 or 30 percent of Jack Smith's case that comes out on the other side of this.
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And this case is almost certainly not going to go to trial before the election.
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And then when President Trump wins, his acting attorney general is going to dismiss this garbage on day one.
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Mike Davis, we're going to come back to you as soon as the immunity opinion comes out.
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And this is, I think, the first round of the French vote for the French parliament,
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which was a blowout for the what we call the right wing or they call the far right.
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This is Front National now or National Rally is their new name under Marine Le Pen.
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But complete repudiation of the neocon neoliberal Macron, who is one of Zelensky's biggest supporters.
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Nigel Farage has completely trashed the Tory party and standing in opposition in labor.
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But what happened in France yesterday is absolutely equivalent in 2016, the Brexit vote.
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And that was a predicate for President Trump's sweeping victory in November of 16.
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Deutschland, 100,000 Antifa, bad guys, far leftist radicals with Sharia supremacists and Islamists.
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Tried to shut down the Alternative for Deutschland conference over the weekend.
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AFD is now at 34 percent polling as, I think, the leading party in Germany right now when you break down all the different groups.
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So you see the rise of the Alternative for Deutschland, the right in Germany.
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Second round, she's this close from taking absolute power.
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He's going to be in the U.K. on July 4th and 5th.
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It probably won't be called until late at night, at least the breakdown between the Reform Party and the Tories.
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Labor, called for labor will happen two minutes after the polls close.
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Dave Bratt, your assessment, what's happened in the last 72 hours has been nothing short of breathtakingly historic.
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From Biden's, the exposure of the cadaver with Biden on Thursday night, the overturning fissure, which is going to lead to a major investigation of DOJ in the federal bench.
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The really, you know, Lawrence Tribe came out and tweeted, and he's the dean of the left-wing constitutional lawyers.
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Yesterday, you had in France a sweeping victory of Front National.
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It had the first Trump-like rally I've ever seen in the United Kingdom.
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And this, the momentum of our movement just continues and continues.
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And, of course, the biggest date on the calendar for the lawfare crowd is July 11th, when they're going to sentence President Trump to prison in New York.
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And I keep telling people, it ain't going to stop until we stop.
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Yeah, well, all the dots you just connected, which is a Herculean task, what you do every day is incredible.
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But all of those things show a giant cracking in the globalist, elitist power structure that's been set up over the past 30 years.
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The one uniting theme of everything you just mentioned is return to the American people and to the return of the European people under freedom.
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The central act in the Hebrew Scriptures is the exodus.
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We have the African-American, Hispanic, blue-collar workers coming our way toward this populist movement for a reason.
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There's a border invasion that has harmed the middle class of this country.
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Every court decision you just said, including the Mirtha decision, right, on freedom of speech and the big Facebook entities and the social media entities.
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Biden accused Facebook, people may have forgotten, of killing people, right?
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The president of the United States accused Facebook of killing people.
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Alito weighed in on that decision very forcefully, said it's the most important free speech case that's made it to the White House in years.
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And so today I think we're going to get good news on the immunity piece, as Mike just said.
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If that does not happen, that's got huge repercussions for any presidency going forward.
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And on top of all this, the current White House in total disarray after the debate, President Trump kind of just stunning victory in the debate, just stood his ground, made the major points.
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And now to watch the mainstream media, right, who's in charge of the truth in this country, not give us the truth for four years and now turn around 180, 180 turnaround by all of them.
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And hang on, now they're going to try to turn around again as they find out Biden can't be removed from the ticket.
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We have to make the process so toxic, the Democrat Party process, that nobody votes for them.
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No matter who they switch him out with, they're down five.
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I don't know how these people end up in Danbury.
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I got the Royce White, the Senate nominated from the Republican convention in Minnesota, ran against Amy Klobuchar.
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Klobuchar's polling, she's under 40, I think she's a 47.
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You played, you had the big game down in Baltimore.
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So tell me, we've had your campaign, the polling came out last week, you're closing on Klobuchar.
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And I should say, he's closing on Klobuchar with no money.
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We had that very disturbing incident yesterday in, I think, Minnesota with Omar.
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You've had Le Pen in France, Alternative for Deutschland in Germany.
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Trump, you've seen, you saw what happened to deconstruct the administrative state.
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I mean, it's one of the reasons I'm going to prison.
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They still work under the thing, oh, if we can take out a couple of their leaders, everybody would just suck their thumbs, go get in the corner.
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I mean, that's why Klobuchar is on her way down.
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And mostly, you know, we talk about this neocon, neoliberal order.
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And the history of it goes back to this idea of being an Atlanticist, this Atlantic charter.
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Yeah, you know, Europe is higher up on the trough than American safety.
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European and territorial integrity is higher up on the trough than American territorial integrity.
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And the real scam of it, and I think people are starting to see it clear, is, you know, we were going to go make all these countries self-determining.
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That was what we told the entire European Union.
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We're going to go around the world and make sure everybody can be a self-determining nation.
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But all we did was make them a global welfare nation, right?
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All of them are on the teat, and we're paying for all of it.
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Do you think that word is getting out to the people?
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Do you think more and more there's a bigger awakening, particularly in some minority communities, that this system is rigged and that you're never – you know, we have a system.
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We have a late-stage capitalist or techno-feudalism system with no capitalists.
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Nobody – you know, you have 1% that owns everything.
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The other 4% or 5% own whatever scraps are left.
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80% to 90% of the American people have no financial assets, no meaningful – no real assets, no intellectual property assets.
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Are people waking up to the fact that the fundamentals of this have to change?
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Even at the big three, we have a huge African-American audience, especially in the live audience, in person, in the arena.
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The two referendums – the two referendums – look, after the debate the other day, everybody came up to me and they went, dude, what about the debate, right?
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Because you've got – on your head, you don't really have a Trump 24.
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You know, and there are those out there in the audience that want to boo, but they dare not because I'm tough as nails, right?
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But I think the two referendums for the black community –
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Hold on, people come up to you and say about that debate.
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They said, you know, what did you think about the debate?
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But the referendum – the two referendum issues are the Ukraine war and the LGBTQ, bottom line.
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Even single black mothers are upset that their children are being forced to listen to pornographic, you know, sex education material in their public schools.
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And that's supposed to be the cornerstone of the Democrat platform.
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The single black woman is highest up on the identity politics chart.
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And no working-class citizen wants to send their money to a war, a world the way that we can't win.
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Those are the two – two of the key items when you're talking to people in the minority community.
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And is that one of the things that's fueling your Senate run in Minnesota?
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Well, what's really fueling my Senate run in Minnesota is the war room posse and the precinct strategy.
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People went in to their caucuses with a plan, with a certain mindset, and they weren't going to let the establishment decide this election.
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Everywhere I go in Minnesota, it's always, how's Bannon doing?
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So the war room posse is why I'm having success in Minnesota.
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Yeah, into Minneapolis, into St. Paul, into Little Mogadishu.
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You know, the Somali community, in my opinion, is really no different than the black community in that they have these prolific talking heads that were selected,
00:30:00.800
and they're subsidized by who we could speculate.
00:30:04.420
But ultimately, they don't really speak on behalf of the Somali community.
00:30:08.440
Look, I ride Ubers all the time in Minneapolis, and I always ask every Uber driver about Ilhan.
00:30:17.960
The same way I would be counted on behalf of the Barack Obamas and the Kamala Harris's had Steve Bannon not pulled me out of the group and said,
00:30:26.660
I think you pulled yourself up when you went to the Federal Reserve during the –
00:30:32.240
Are you going to lead a march down there in your campaign?
00:30:46.280
You're going to do the Independence Day march to the Federal Reserve, to what's put us in bondage.
00:30:50.500
There are 12 Federal Reserves all across the country, and it would be my wish that people would show up and peacefully demonstrate at the Federal Reserve on July 4th.
00:31:05.000
This is why worse, white, is – real quickly on Klobuchar.
00:31:10.100
Because you can – with President Trump, President Trump I think is going to win Minnesota.
00:31:27.860
And how do they participate in your crusade against a progressive neoliberal, neocon like Klobuchar?
00:31:41.480
You know, there's no July 4th celebration for me because we're in times of absolute tyranny.
00:31:45.940
And this is what our founding father spoke about.
00:31:48.440
So I'll be spending my July 4th, not at the beautiful lakes of Minneapolis and Minnesota,
00:31:54.840
And once again, where do people go if they want to participate?
00:31:59.840
Brother White, you're going to join me in going up to the – Royce is going to be one of –
00:32:10.240
After the Fed, I'll head back out to Newark and we'll try and get a win.
00:32:15.940
Let's go back to – oh, let's go to Mike Davis now on the steps of the Supreme Court.
00:32:21.220
When today for President Trump, the court 6-3 held that the president of the United States
00:32:30.440
is immune from criminal prosecution for his official acts, this is one of the most consequential
00:32:37.460
opinions to come out of the Supreme Court because if the Supreme Court did not rule the
00:32:42.860
way it ruled today, they would destroy the presidency and therefore destroy our country.
00:32:48.300
The chief justice, John Roberts, wrote the opinion with the five conservative justices joining.
00:32:56.520
Barrett joined most of it, but she didn't join part of it.
00:32:59.800
Justice Sotomayor wrote the dissent with the two liberal justices, Jackson and Kagan, joining
00:33:10.680
This should have been a 9-0 decision because these three liberal justices put their partisan
00:33:18.540
politics and their Trump derangement above their most important job, which is to follow
00:33:25.000
And part of following the Constitution is protecting the presidency and therefore our country.
00:33:31.000
Do these liberal justices think that the Trump 47 Justice Department should prosecute President
00:33:36.320
Obama for his extrajudicial drone strike on two American citizens?
00:33:42.260
Do these three liberal justices think that the Trump 47 Justice Department should prosecute
00:33:47.660
President Biden for the migrant crime that he caused with his illegal mass parole of over
00:33:54.960
He's torn you of a huge change that could be coming to our money and our bank accounts.
00:33:57.960
First, think back to 9-11, shortly after the government pushed through the Patriot Act.
00:34:02.480
This gave the government power to spy on innocent Americans by monitoring our phone and email
00:34:10.820
Now, Jim Rickards, editor of the independent financial newsletter Strategic Intelligence and New
00:34:16.060
York Times bestselling author, is warning about a coming event that could elevate this governmental
00:34:24.060
In fact, some of the guests I've had on the war room believe that the government will soon
00:34:31.560
If we say the wrong things on social media, donate to the wrong causes, buy firearms, or even
00:34:37.440
vote MAGA, the government may be able to shut us out of our bank accounts.
00:34:42.440
I can't say for sure if this will happen, but it's an interesting and dire warning.
00:34:47.860
Fortunately, Jim Rickards, an American patriot and friend of mine, has made it his mission
00:34:52.080
to educate us on what he believes is coming and how to protect yourself from the possibility
00:35:00.500
Watch Jim's warning video now before it's censored like I've been in the past.
00:35:08.100
That's RickardsWarRoom.com now to see the video.
00:35:11.540
Do these three liberal justices think, well, they probably do.
00:35:16.420
They think that the Trump 47 Justice Department should prosecute President George W. Bush for
00:35:21.280
lying about weapons of mass destruction and the hundreds of thousands of deaths.
00:35:25.220
These three liberal justices are a disgrace for ruling the way that they did.
00:35:34.940
Stay right there because I'm going to come back about absolute versus limited immunity.
00:35:42.320
Senator Paul, before I get to Tony Fauci, I've got to ask you your first take on what
00:35:47.640
you just heard about the immunity vote at the Supreme Court, sir.
00:35:54.040
The question I would have is, you know, they say official acts will be immune.
00:36:01.400
I think that's probably going to go back to the original court to make that decision.
00:36:11.460
So it's absolute immunity for official acts and then no immunity for unofficial acts.
00:36:16.640
So that's going to have to be we're going to break that down today.
00:36:22.360
Well, I think probably it's a good decision, it sounds like.
00:36:26.540
But my guess is, and this is what they've been saying and now analyzing this before the
00:36:30.380
decision came out, was it all likely that it goes back to the original court with jurisdiction
00:36:34.900
now to decide whether or not what was and what was not official action.
00:36:39.420
So it's a good step forward saying official actions are immune for prosecution.
00:36:45.420
You know, I have it all the time when I give a speech.
00:36:47.500
Is it a political speech or is it a partisan speech or is it part of my official duties?
00:36:52.180
Because my official duties are speaking and speaking to the public, not always the national
00:36:57.200
public, but speaking to people in Kentucky, speaking on the radio.
00:37:01.140
You know, what I'm doing right now, is this an official act of my office being on your
00:37:05.220
I'm being interviewed as a senator and talk to or ask about, you know, opinions on public
00:37:15.140
But that's what the real question is going to be, is deciding the facts.
00:37:21.620
And I think speeches by the president would be official acts.
00:37:26.280
Senator Paul, you and your father before you have been at the forefront of taking down the
00:37:32.040
leviathan that has been this metastasizing federal government.
00:37:35.220
What are your thoughts on the importance of the Chevron deference overturn on Friday
00:37:40.020
as basically the mac daddy of the administrative state, sir?
00:37:48.400
And if we keep going down this route, I keep talking to businesses each day that are beleaguered
00:37:55.360
And I tell every one of them, get into court, have your association of businesses nationwide
00:37:59.580
get into court and see if we can get this thing decided now that Chevron is gone.
00:38:04.140
Because as far as repealing regulations, I'm all for repealing regulations.
00:38:08.660
I have a bill called the RAINS Act, which would say any major regulations don't go into
00:38:13.380
effect unless they come back and are voted on by Congress first.
00:38:22.340
But at least the court now has reversed Chevron, which essentially the Chevron decision had said
00:38:29.700
If the law is ambiguous and the EPA says they have a power and it's ambiguous whether they
00:38:35.280
do or don't have that power, the government for the last 40 years has just been saying,
00:38:42.340
Randy Barnett, Judge Napolitano, have written about this.
00:38:45.100
And they say that tie should go to the individual, that there should be a presumption of liberty.
00:38:51.720
It's not a presumption that the government has the power.
00:38:54.040
The presumption is that the liberty lies with the individual and it's incumbent upon government
00:38:58.820
or the Constitution or, as the Constitution says in the Tenth Amendment, those powers not
00:39:03.020
granted are left to the states and the people respectively.
00:39:07.760
I think Chevron, repealing Chevron, will go down in history as one of the most important
00:39:15.680
Senator Paul, Tony Fauci, you've been rolling out a book over the last couple of weeks,
00:39:21.460
I gave an interview to ABC yesterday, News, Jonathan Karl, and then Tony Fauci interviewed
00:39:27.860
And he's once again, first off, I think what he says in his book, I think these interviews
00:39:33.940
One of the reasons I know that is my own research, but also your book, Deception.
00:39:38.740
And Tony Fauci is whining about this, whining about that.
00:39:43.680
And tell me about the book, about you really strip away the lies of Tony Fauci.
00:39:48.240
But as he's rolling out his book, you know, he denies gain-of-function.
00:39:53.860
What's your thoughts on Tony Fauci today, his book, and how does your book counter that?
00:39:59.960
You know, I'm a physician, spent, you know, 20, 30 years both in training and in practicing
00:40:06.620
medicine, have written scientific articles for journals.
00:40:09.300
So I'm aware of the way science, you know, accumulates knowledge and data, and that is
00:40:14.780
discussed and often in contention until you finally get to the truth.
00:40:18.420
When this first came out, you know, when 2020 happened and COVID occurred, I saw a note,
00:40:23.860
just a brief note, and I just read it briefly because I was concerned with all the crazy
00:40:27.420
mitigation things they were doing to us, masks and closing things down.
00:40:32.920
And a bunch of scientists said, oh, it probably came from animals.
00:40:37.160
But about a year later, I began to understand that the scientists were all self-motivated.
00:40:41.720
They were part of the people funding the lab in Wuhan.
00:40:46.060
I read an article by Nicholas Wade and it was an amazing article.
00:40:54.140
And in that, I became intrigued by where did the virus come from?
00:41:00.000
And so then I began writing Deception, the great COVID cover-up, about the time I began
00:41:09.300
And we were saying that dangerous research, gain-of-function research, where two viruses
00:41:13.840
are combined to become more dangerous than they are in nature, that this was occurring
00:41:18.860
in Wuhan and that Anthony Fauci had approved this.
00:41:27.560
They still, you know, the questions to him are more softball questions than I've ever
00:41:37.240
But the gain-of-function is very, very concerning because it still goes on.
00:41:42.620
In all likelihood, they're still doing it in China.
00:41:49.020
I've been trying to get more control by the government over this research since we fund
00:41:55.620
The NIH is actually more secretive than the CIA.
00:42:01.480
Why has it been, you know, you're a pretty prominent senator and you're a pretty tough
00:42:05.580
How has it been difficult for a U.S. senator that is an expert in this field or a physician
00:42:16.640
This is exactly what people need to hear is this discussion, because every day I see
00:42:22.420
people frustrated online responding to things that I'm doing and saying, well, why don't
00:42:28.200
The only way you can get things out of the executive branch, if you're in the legislative
00:42:31.580
branch, is you have to exercise the power of the purse.
00:42:35.160
And this is where I feel that most of the Republican leadership in the Senate, actually all of it,
00:42:39.840
and most of the Republican leadership continuing to this speaker are impotent.
00:42:46.420
So if the NIH won't give me information, the chairman of the Appropriations Committee
00:42:50.680
or the ranking member, it would be the chairman in the House and the ranking member, should
00:42:55.000
call them up and say, we're putting a hold on your money.
00:42:59.240
You can't hold it forever, but you can seriously tie up and take their resources from them.
00:43:06.200
And then what happens is the president then would relinquish the information.
00:43:09.660
In the past, there was a time in which congressional leaders had this kind of clout.
00:43:15.080
This is my biggest complaint about Mike Johnson, the same as McCarthy.
00:43:18.600
And I don't think Johnson's really any better than McCarthy, frankly, is that they don't
00:43:25.420
And this spring, what you saw with Johnson was that he voted with the majority of the
00:43:30.900
He was with the majority of the Republicans opposed the money going to Ukraine.
00:43:34.760
The majority of the Republicans voted against the spending bill.
00:43:37.500
And Johnson got these things through, not by using the power of the purse to get conservative
00:43:42.000
things done, but just by taking the Mitch McConnell argument, oh, the government might
00:43:52.300
And we need this is the whole fight is in primaries to try to get better people, you
00:43:56.880
know, to try not to elect more people that are just going to be rubber stamps for the,
00:44:02.400
Uh, Dave, Brett, do you have a, uh, you have some questions for, uh, for, uh, Senator Rand
00:44:13.440
And, uh, thanks for your fight for liberty over decades.
00:44:17.020
And, uh, just going back, there's one Supreme Court that got passed over a little bit.
00:44:24.140
Uh, it's the, uh, Murthy case, uh, where the government teamed up with all the big social
00:44:31.240
Uh, the Supreme Court, uh, Coney Barrett said, there's no standing Alito, uh, different Alito
00:44:37.860
said in quotes, this case was blatantly unconstitutional.
00:44:42.560
Uh, Alito also said in quotes, this was a campaign of coercion versus disfavored views, uh, and
00:44:50.260
said it was the most important free speech case, uh, to reach the court in years.
00:44:56.620
Uh, and so going back, this is July, 2021, Biden accused Facebook of killing people.
00:45:02.560
Uh, the chief counsel in the white house put extreme pressure on YouTube.
00:45:06.820
Uh, the white house, the federal government, the executive branch in particular was putting
00:45:11.780
huge pressure, uh, to get their view out, uh, preventing free speech.
00:45:15.960
The first amendment is the first amendment for a reason and, uh, your comments on, on that
00:45:21.180
case, uh, which hasn't gotten as much, uh, attention lately.
00:45:24.660
This was a huge disappointment, uh, Amy Coney Barrett and also Kavanaugh voted with the
00:45:31.700
liberal justices to basically allow government to continue to coerce, uh, social media platforms
00:45:40.300
Many people have referred to this as censorship by surrogate.
00:45:45.780
The first amendment says that government shall not censor, government shall not limit freedom
00:45:52.060
And this sometimes conservatives don't get this completely right.
00:45:55.100
They say, oh, well, Twitter shouldn't be allowed to do this.
00:45:57.820
Actually under the first amendment, Twitter is allowed to have content moderation in any
00:46:04.060
What's not allowed under the first amendment is the FBI can't meet with Twitter every week.
00:46:08.240
The FBI can't, after this interview, call you up and say, all right, guys, I want to
00:46:12.420
sit down with you and we're going to decide what you can air.
00:46:18.520
It's an egregious violation of the first amendment.
00:46:22.980
And I can remember when Kavanaugh's vote was coming up and he's been largely good, you
00:46:28.860
But the thing is, is once he's appointed by a Republican president, you sort of, you know,
00:46:32.880
unless he's just so awful, you can't vote for him.
00:46:36.200
I mean, Gorsuch was a great pick in the beginning.
00:46:43.740
They're sometimes good on Chevron, but on this first amendment, I mean, so it's such a
00:46:47.920
disappointment that Kavanaugh and Amy Coney Barrett went with the liberals.
00:46:53.120
Senator Paul, I know you've got to bounce, but one last thing.
00:46:55.560
As you've seen Fauci go around on TV and you remember his testimony, including in front of you,
00:47:02.400
do you think he perjured himself in front of both the Senate and the House, sir, in testimony,
00:47:12.960
And the reason we know he lied is we have an email, a Slack email from February 1st or
00:47:17.880
February 2nd, 2020, at which time he says, we're very worried that this virus is manipulated.
00:47:24.300
We think it came from the lab because we know that lab does gain-of-function research.
00:47:29.100
And he described the research that we're doing, but the research he described was the research
00:47:35.180
So he's basically called himself out in private emails, but then in public, they've done the
00:47:42.220
There's probably never before in our history been a cover-up where it was so completely
00:47:47.120
and thoroughly exposed to the public because we got all their emails from Freedom of Information.
00:47:55.540
You know, the House should have subpoenaed his phone records.
00:48:00.320
He says he didn't use them, but we got this other one of his assistants, who's his assistant
00:48:05.300
for 20 years, saying, I know how to delete them.
00:48:10.920
We know that they were actually putting terms in.
00:48:13.580
So if they didn't want EcoHealth, this is the group that funded the research in Wuhan.
00:48:18.260
If they didn't want EcoHealth to be pulled up in a FOIA search, they would change the spelling
00:48:24.180
to, instead of ECO, they'd do EC dollar sign or EC number.
00:48:29.760
And so if you misspell words, you can trick the FOIA, and the FOIA only works in an exact
00:48:35.820
So what they started doing was purposely misspelling words.
00:48:39.500
Christian Anderson, the guy that got a $9 million grant from Fauci after he switched
00:48:44.760
his mind on whether it came from the lab, they started spelling Christian Anderson by changing
00:48:50.100
the vows to dollar signs, which I think has a great deal of irony, since it turns out
00:48:56.880
So, yeah, it's so much went on, but the biggest danger is, and Robert Redfield agrees with me
00:49:04.440
on this, is that this could happen again, and it could be a much worse virus the next time
00:49:09.200
They have viruses that they're working on in the lab that have between 15% and 50% mortality.
00:49:14.800
If that happens, it's a civilization potentially ending kind of occurrence, but it also is
00:49:22.860
something that might set civilization back 200 or 300 years, and all you've got to do
00:49:26.800
is read about the 14th century and the plague in the 14th century to know what it's like
00:49:34.420
Senator Paul, the book is Deception, the COVID cover-up.
00:49:38.820
Everybody watch this and read it, because there's going to be a massive investigation of Tony
00:49:43.620
Fauci in the not-tear-distance future that I believe will lead to multiple criminal referrals.
00:49:49.340
Senator Paul, how do people get you, how do they get the book, how do they follow you
00:49:56.440
We're on Facebook, we're on Twitter, we're on Instagram, and the book is available where
00:50:01.440
books can be purchased, which I like that description.
00:50:04.120
It's available wherever books are purchased, but anyplace online you can get the book, and
00:50:09.260
I think the story, once you bring it all together, is really riveting, the story of exactly what
00:50:17.080
We know so much of what went on behind the scenes, but without question, Anthony Fauci
00:50:22.280
I've referred him twice to Merrick Garland, and still people say, well, why is he not
00:50:26.980
Because that's controlled, basically, and I think we have political prosecutions in our
00:50:33.180
And Anthony Fauci, they just look away, but anybody to do with Trump, they take a much
00:50:42.020
Senator Rand Paul from Kentucky, thank you very much, sir.
00:50:52.400
Fauci is, as soon as Merrick Garland is removed, and he'll be removed on the afternoon of, on
00:50:59.360
the high noon on the 20th of January, 2025, a real attorney general will get to work on
00:51:04.440
the investigation, the vast investigation into Merrick Garland and what happened on the
00:51:09.520
cover-up, and actually what happened on the, on COVID, the pandemic.
00:51:15.740
Is Mike Davis still on the steps of the Supreme Court?
00:51:19.000
Mike, Senator Paul had the question, you've got absolute immunity on official acts and nothing
00:51:28.560
I thought you were thinking about a limited immunity.
00:51:31.000
Is that what this is, or is this absolute immunity?
00:51:36.060
So the, the Supreme Court, six to three, held that the President of the United States has
00:51:41.180
absolute immunity for his core constitutional responsibilities.
00:51:47.180
He has a rebuttable presumption of immunity for his official acts outside of his core constitutional
00:51:55.300
responsibilities, and he has no immunity for his personal acts.
00:52:00.600
And this is exactly what we've been saying that the Supreme Court should do and would do
00:52:07.620
So, as you look at the case that Jack Smith has brought with this radical judge, Chutkin,
00:52:16.820
They've overturned Fisher, but you still have this.
00:52:19.800
Is President Trump, is he immune for his acts on, on leading up to January 6th and January 6th,
00:52:29.020
Well, I would say this, there are going to be some acts that are immune and some acts
00:52:35.820
The Fisher decision gutted two of, four of the Jack Smith charges against President Trump
00:52:42.480
for January 6th, these bogus charges against President Trump for the non-crime of objecting
00:52:48.100
to a presidential election, which is allowed by the Electoral Count Act of 1887 and the First
00:52:54.340
And then you have the issue of the two remaining charges, whether he's immune.
00:52:59.920
For example, Jack Smith alleged that President Trump was contemplating firing his acting attorney
00:53:08.080
Under the Constitution, only the President of the United States can do that.
00:53:12.040
So that seems like he would be absolutely immune for that.
00:53:15.840
They also talked about the President not moving fast enough.
00:53:19.780
Well, if he's not moving fast enough, that might be his official act.
00:53:22.980
Where he is presumptively immune from criminal prosecution.
00:53:29.800
And then Jack Smith would have to put on evidence to show, to rebut that presumption and show
00:53:35.260
that he's not immune and he should be charged based upon that part of the indictment.
00:53:41.760
And that would require, what basically the bottom line is, this is going to get remanded back
00:53:50.240
And as I said, they're going to hold a mini trial and evidentiary hearing.
00:53:54.760
As I've been saying, this case is going to, they're not going to get the judgment on this
00:54:02.620
This case is going to, the bottom line, this case is not going to get tried before the election.
00:54:08.120
This lawfare, this election interference by President Biden and Merrick Garland and Jack
00:54:14.240
Smith and Jay Bratt and all these other Biden Democrat prosecutors is crumbling.
00:54:25.420
And then Trump should open a criminal probe on day one.
00:54:29.260
His acting attorney general should open a criminal probe on day one for this obvious criminal
00:54:35.120
conspiracy to violate the constitutional rights of Trump.
00:54:39.200
His top aides like Peter Navarro, who's in prison, like you, Steve Bannon, who's heading
00:54:46.060
His lawyers like John Eastman and Jeff Clark, his supporters on January 6th.
00:54:52.400
President Biden has politicized and weaponized his Justice Department, and he has received
00:54:58.040
two major rebukes by the Supreme Court over the last several days, in the Fisher case and
00:55:10.060
That's a complete face job, right, on a prosecutor to be basically blown out on two charges at this
00:55:17.680
high a level going against the President of the United States?
00:55:19.580
Yeah, so Merritt Garland, Lisa Monaco, the Deputy Attorney General, Vanita Gupta at the
00:55:27.900
time, the Associate Attorney General, Kristen Clark, the Assistant Attorney General for Civil
00:55:33.140
Rights, Matthew Graves, the D.C. U.S. Attorney, Jack Smith, the Special Counsel, Jay Bratt,
00:55:44.280
All of these people are bad actors who should be the target of this obvious criminal, probe
00:55:52.200
I would say to these bad actors, you better lawyer up, because there are going to be severe
00:55:56.320
legal, political, and financial consequences come January 20th, 2025.
00:56:07.900
I'm going to come right back to you in a minute.
00:56:08.920
Got another special guest here in the – I've got a pretty good crew to hear today, Eric
00:56:21.620
You shouldn't – I can't believe you did this.
00:56:26.360
I am here because this is absolutely ridiculous.
00:56:30.040
I'm also here because I know the Department of Injustice would gladly put me in next to
00:56:38.300
The weaponization of the myriad laws and nonsense of the U.S. government is – it's got to change.
00:56:48.780
And I think it's important for the people on the other side that have been abusing their
00:56:53.400
power that sometimes pendulums can swing like a scythe.
00:56:56.960
Are you – like a sit-through grant, are you seeing the pendulum shift in Germany and
00:57:06.620
The European voters are sick of the globalist leftist nonsense.
00:57:14.220
They're rejecting runaway migration and the welfare and the nonsense.
00:57:24.020
Are you seeing that here too with the invasions on the border?
00:57:26.440
You think that's what you're talking about, the pendulum swinging?
00:57:30.320
And I think people are going to expect President Trump to remove the millions of illegal people
00:57:36.420
that showed up here unwelcome, unannounced, and enough.
00:57:41.460
And if we – borders are supposed to be a delineation of sovereignty, of different methods,
00:57:49.740
And if our border means nothing, then we are like the rest of the third world.
00:57:54.900
If we import the third world, we're going to get the nonsense that goes on in Mexico and
00:58:00.600
the rest of – look, I don't blame people for wanting to come here.
00:58:04.000
But they come here through a proper procedure, not because they paid a cartel $20,000.
00:58:09.780
You're one of the people that first would brief President Trump and talk to President Trump,
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even in the early days when maybe he didn't fully realize it, about the deep state.
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What is your recommendation when we win this second time about what President Trump,
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the types of people he has to appoint, and what is he – now the Supreme Court's laid out
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the ability to deconstruct the administrative state.
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What do you do with the most dangerous part of that, the national security, the intelligence,
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the law enforcement that really is the Praetorian Guard of the ruling class in the imperial capital?
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I think if he draws from the same pool of D.C.-connected people as last time, he will be, again,
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sorely disappointed because there was a lot of options given to the president to get us off
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the road of endless war, and particularly in Afghanistan, and thwarted by the thousands
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And think tanks and the NGOs, and Senator Paul in the previous segment was right.
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And a lot of these organizations need to be zeroed out.
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There needs to be a run on moving vans, moving people away from Washington, D.C., permanently.
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So you think you really take a – you really got to start breaking apart things like the
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FBI, the CIA, things that have worked against the interests of the American people?
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Any organization that has unlimited funds thrown at it, and really because of GWAT, there's
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been a lot of spending in the national security space unnecessarily.
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The CIA, for example, really has the same amount of case officers that they did in 1980,
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yet the administrative staff, the support, has gone up by 20 and 30-fold.
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And that's where you get all the nonsense of all the political correctness and the hand-wringing
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and people that are not focused on actually collecting intelligence on what our enemies are doing,
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And that can go because the next director – civil service rules don't apply at the CIA, so the
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But the civil service rules do not apply to the central television.
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It's a unique aspect of the CIA from when it was formed, that it is not – those employees can be discharged immediately.
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So the next CIA director can clean up the organization in days and weeks, not months.
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What about the 51 – just as the tip, the 51 that signed the letter during the heat of the 2020 campaign saying that the –
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Should they have their security clearances pulled like immediately and their pensions also pulled as a starter?
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Look, at minimum, their clearances need to be pulled.
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And look, there is way too many cleared people in Washington.
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You wonder why there's leaks and there's a lack of seriousness is because the whole thing is massively obese.
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Do you think there may be investigations and potential criminal charges for what they did to President Trump in his first term,
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what they did to protect Biden in the election of 2020, and other things that they have done,
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particularly like Clapper and Comey, McCabe and others?
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The one problem is there has been such malfeasance of the deep state that the line will be long.
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The line will be long for criminal investigations.
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And so even the right team is going to be task-saturated quickly.
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I think it's important for the national security apparatus to be pared down very quickly and succinctly
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so that they can get on to the business of deterring enemies that have grown very, very strong and full of themselves
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