Stephen K. Vann and Kevin R. Roberts join host Stephen K. Van Zandt (The Heritage Foundation's Senior Fellow at the Heritage Foundation) to discuss the need for a return of America's colleges and universities.
00:00:28.000I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
00:00:33.000Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
00:00:37.000If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
00:00:43.000War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Vann.
00:00:52.000Kevin Roberts from the Heritage Foundation on the War Room with us.
00:00:56.000He just teed us up with pure gold, absolute agreement on God created us with free will.
00:01:03.000On the other hand, the academic left and the political left have been deconstructing huge swaths of the Judeo-Christian West for centuries,
00:01:59.000It's easier to do that than to build up the hospitals and the voluntary organizations and the universities and the churches and the communities that have made us such a rich country in so many ways.
00:02:36.000As an educator, Dave, educator and educator, you know, I'm going to talk about schools and colleges.
00:02:41.000But I want to give people a piece of encouragement here.
00:02:44.000At the K through 12 level, the two fastest growing segments of American education are classical schools, which honor our tradition and this philosophical understanding that you've so outlined so well this morning, but also homeschooling.
00:02:59.000And I think it's vital that we understand we have to take these rights into our own hands.
00:03:03.000But at the college level where it seems so hopeless, especially for two guys, you and me, who endured that in graduate school.
00:03:13.000Think about the near two century long example of Hillsdale College, Grove City College.
00:03:18.000I say that because there are institutions of higher learning that are showing us the way.
00:03:23.000And in fact, they are going to be the new Ivy League schools.
00:03:27.000By that, I don't mean to disparage them, but to say these are the places that are forming the statesmen and stateswomen of the next generation.
00:04:04.000She runs roughly a classical school, but shares the values and virtues of discipline, self-sacrifice, intellectual might, courage, all the classical virtues.
00:04:16.000And what a stunning example in that podcast.
00:04:19.000And so, Kevin Roberts, you're always so kind as to join us on the War Room and other venues.
00:04:27.000And we just want to thank you for all the heroic work you're doing, along with all your heritage peers.
00:04:51.000Stepping up, we've got Carolyn Wren, who's going to keep on some of the themes we've been exploring with the DNC, the massive shifts after the debate, some of the palace intrigue having to do with money, conventions, who's running the ship over there on the left, who's really in charge.
00:05:10.000Carolyn, why don't you lead us on that narrative?
00:05:13.000And we'll jump in and ask you a couple of good questions, because I'm sure you have a great story for us.
00:05:20.000So something I've been following and talking about on the show for a while is on May 15th, the Biden campaign proposed moving this debate to June.
00:05:28.000Now, this was significant and really surprising because, you know, never before has there been a presidential debate before both the candidates have become their official party nominees.
00:05:36.000And we've never had a presidential debate that's been televised prior to September.
00:05:41.000So when the Biden team proposed that, I was like, huh, that's strange.
00:05:43.000And then just a couple weeks later, May 28th, the DNC quietly buries in a CBS story that they were going to officially nominate their presidential nominee not at their convention in person on August 22nd, but in fact by a Zoom meeting of the delegates in late July.
00:06:00.000There was literally just one CBS story.
00:06:02.000And I saw that and I was like, that is so bizarre.
00:06:04.000One, they proposed moving up this debate and then also moving up their official nomination to a Zoom.
00:06:10.000And they claim the reason for the nomination was because that the Ohio ballot was due, the names are due August 7th per Ohio law.
00:06:18.000And so the governor, DeWine, a Republican governor, was rightfully shouting to Democrats saying, hey, we need to fix this because I have to submit a name on August 7th.
00:06:25.000Y'all don't nominate till August 22nd. It's an easy fix. Let's just have a special session.
00:06:29.000So then on May 31st, Governor DeWine called a special session and signed legislation to fix the ballot issue in Ohio to assure that their nominee would be on the ballot.
00:06:39.000We never heard anything more about the Zoom meeting, though, if that was still going to happen in July or they were going to officially nominate since the problem had been fixed.
00:06:45.000So while all this was unfolding, you know, I became highly suspicious and talked about it multiple times on The War Room the last six weeks and with Steve.
00:06:52.000And my theory was that Biden's team was setting him up. They had proposed this early debate so that they could send him out.
00:06:58.000They knew that he would fall on his face and that when he did fall on his face, that would be their chance to say, OK, you can go away now and we are going to nominate someone else.
00:07:06.000But they don't want to have a, you know, messy floor fight in August on the convention floor.
00:07:11.000So you have this grayed out to have this Zoom meeting because it is much easier to control a messy Zoom meeting than it is a messy convention fight.
00:07:18.000Steve and I talked about it. We both ultimately decided, yeah, we think that this debate is a trap and that we don't think Trump should participate in it because he's going to crush fight.
00:07:26.000And anyone who's paying attention knows he has extreme cognitive decline.
00:07:29.000And so, in fact, I even texted multiple reporters back the first week of June and said, hey, when does the Democrat nominee officially become the nominee?
00:07:38.000Every one of them replied. This is New York Times, Politico. They all said in August at the convention.
00:07:43.000And I said, no, no, no. It is a Zoom meeting. Here's the story.
00:07:46.000They all thought I was crazy. They thought Steve and I were both crazy by talking about this.
00:07:50.000Now we fast forward to now. And even I couldn't have predicted how bad Biden did.
00:07:55.000But again, I believe it was a setup by his own team to force all of these dominoes that are happening.
00:08:00.000And yesterday, a Bloomberg story comes out with the headline was Democrat National Committee considering formally nominating Biden as early as mid-July to ensure that the president is on the November ballot.
00:08:11.000And I'm thinking to myself, no, that's not new information. That information came out six weeks ago.
00:08:16.000We've been talking about it on War Room for six weeks. And then the DNC comms director, you know, comes out a response to the Bloomberg story and says, actually, this is false.
00:08:24.000We've said for weeks the DNC was going to hold a virtual vote in the lead up to our in-person convention as a result of the Ohio GOP's bad faith attempt to keep Biden off the ballot.
00:08:33.000So now what everyone needs to be asking and reporters are two different things. One, Governor DeWine passed legislation fixing the Ohio ballot issue.
00:08:41.000So why is the DNC still proceeding with a Zoom nomination in July since that's been fixed?
00:08:46.000And then whose decision was it to move up the debate and also to move up their convention?
00:08:51.000Because whoever it was, I think, was setting up their own candidate to fail. And I'm worried that we walked into the trap because personally, I want to run against Biden.
00:08:58.000Yeah, good. Caroline, in that narrative, right before you told the story about texting the reporters, you said Biden's team set up part of this.
00:09:12.000And so give us the horse race here. What part of this shenanigans did the Biden administration set up?
00:09:19.000And what part did the opponents set up to produce failure?
00:09:24.000Well, Biden's team is who proposed this June debate, which Trump was smart. Trump immediately accepted. Right.
00:09:30.000He's like, I'll debate you anywhere, any place. But I thought it was strange they would send their candidate out that early.
00:09:36.000Like it's never happened in history. No debate has ever happened until September.
00:09:39.000They don't they don't become official nominees. Trump's the Republican National Convention is in two weeks.
00:09:44.000The Dems is very late. It is like August 19th or 22nd. So officially Biden becomes their nominee on the 22nd.
00:09:50.000So if I'm the powers that be in the Democratic Party, which I think the powers that be are Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi and Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton.
00:09:58.000And I'm looking at Joe Biden thinking this man cannot be our nominee, but he won't go willingly.
00:10:03.000Then I would say, hey, you guys should propose a June debate knowing he's going to fall on his face and that there would be this big call to, hey, we need to replace him.
00:10:12.000And then you have time to replace him. And the reason why it was so strange that they announced these two things within a week from each other one moving up the debate.
00:10:19.000Also moving to a zoom convention is again, a messy floor fight convention fight is not what the Democrats want.
00:10:26.000They're gonna have their whole free Palestine people out there screaming saying we need AOC as a nominee.
00:10:30.000It is very easy to control a zoom meeting. So as of now, the Democrats are nominating their presidential nominee via a zoom meeting on July 21st.
00:10:39.000And no one in the press is asking why. And the DNC is claiming, oh, because the Ohio ballot issue, the ballot issue got solved.
00:10:46.000May 31st, Governor DeWine signed a signed a legislation saying that moving back the date that they could give their official nomination.
00:10:53.000So they're lying. And no one in the media is pushing them on it.
00:10:57.000Yep. Yep. Excellent. Go back to your text to the mainstream media.
00:11:02.000I think that bears repeating and give the full implications of what that tells us about the knowledge of the typists and stenographers that Steve Bannon calls them.
00:11:15.000What these are the leaders, the thought leaders in our country, supposedly at the highest levels, go over those texts again, what what they imply.
00:11:24.000So it's actually Steve that convinced me to do it. I call it this the first week of June when all this was happening.
00:11:29.000And I said, Steve, like this something is up. And he goes, well, what are these big reporters saying about it?
00:11:34.000I said, I don't I've seen no reports on it other than the one CBS. So I texted five reporters, New York Times, Politico, and just asked a simple question.
00:11:41.000When does the Joe Biden become the official Democrat nominee? Every one of them replied at the convention in August.
00:11:48.000And I sent them back the story of CBS and said, no, actually, the DNC changed the rules.
00:11:54.000They are going to officially nominate the last week of July via a Zoom meeting.
00:11:58.000And like they all thought I was crazy or didn't believe me or were like, no, that doesn't really make sense.
00:12:04.000And I didn't think it made much sense either. Now, yesterday, like the DNC comm director came out and confirmed.
00:12:10.000Yes, we are doing a Zoom meeting and they're blaming something that has been fixed.
00:12:14.000They're blaming this Ohio ballot initiative ballot initiative that was fixed May 31st.
00:12:21.000Unbelievable. Where do we stand right now, Carolyn, on this side of the football?
00:12:27.000The war room side. Where do we stand? And based on all this information, what's our game plan with that information you just conveyed to us?
00:12:38.000And then even beyond that, how do we become force multipliers across the board?
00:12:44.000Right. Well, first, I would like to point out the just irony.
00:12:47.000Given all the talk of challenging Biden at the convention, can we just recognize the irony that the same people who accused us of an insurrection are now openly talking about storming an official proceeding to challenge the official results of President Biden during his certification?
00:13:01.000I just it's too good. Yeah. But, you know, as far as the worm, I think right now this just needs to be talked about and brought sunlight.
00:13:08.000We need to be pushing reporters to ask these questions, pushing reporters to ask the DNC, the Biden campaign, these questions.
00:13:13.000Now, I want to run against Biden. I do not want Biden to drop out. Don't get me wrong.
00:13:17.000But I think that the Democrats are so they're so calculated, especially at the very top, that we need to know exactly what they're doing.
00:13:24.000We need to be thinking like they are and plotting one step ahead to know what's going on.
00:13:27.000But there's not much that we can do to control it. It's up to Biden to choose to run.
00:13:32.000There's not a way to force him out. He has to step aside himself.
00:13:35.000And so right now we're in a wait and hold position, but we've got to be ready for any scenario.
00:13:40.000But if he steps aside, I think it has to be Kamala Harris because there's about 100 million dollars cash on hand in the Biden-Harris campaign.
00:13:47.000She's the only one that could spend that.
00:13:50.000Yep. Threat to democracy. Say it once again. I think you had the line of the day there, Caroline.
00:13:56.000Give a spell out the hypocrisy on the left. They're calling us out on hypocrisy every five seconds.
00:14:02.000Right. I don't think they can sustain it. Say that one more time.
00:14:06.000I just think given the talk of challenging Biden at the convention, let's recognize the irony that the same people who accused us of an insurrection are now openly talking about storming an official proceeding.
00:14:17.000The Democrat National Convention to challenge the official results of President Biden during his official certification.
00:16:25.000All right, Dave Bratt sitting in with Stephen K. Bannon.
00:16:29.000One of the great honors of my life getting to sit in this chair today and talking with some of the finest minds, scholars, souls, human beings that I've been friends with for years.
00:18:35.000When we're here in the War Room, this is not conservative entertainment.
00:18:39.000This is about fighting the political war America finds itself in today.
00:18:45.000One of the things that Steve wanted to do was to organize conservatives, the MAGA movement, Republicans,
00:18:54.000to understand the war by Communist China against the United States.
00:18:59.000He and I and Frank Gaffney founded the Committee on the Present Danger back in 2019, in February of 2019, just to explain to Americans the threat from Communist China.
00:19:10.000They had written a book called Unrestricted Warfare back in 1999 to Chinese colonels from the PLA.
00:19:19.000I'm sure you can find it right on the desk there that you're sitting at, Dave.
00:19:24.000And in it, it describes all the measures they would take to take down the United States.
00:19:29.000We have that song on the war room, take down the CCP.
00:19:32.000I guarantee you there are millions of people in Communist China figuring out today how do you take down the United States.
00:19:40.000And unfortunately, we are ill prepared to deal with that other than the people on the war room and the MAGA movement more broadly,
00:19:49.000making sure we can make these arguments to the American people.
00:19:52.000I have this essay on the American mind, AmericanMind.org, over at the Claremont Institute, where I'm arguing today that the odds of having a free and fair election are very, very slim.
00:20:07.000Partly because Communist China can engage in political warfare against us.
00:20:13.000I'm among those people who think the election was stolen in 2020.
00:20:17.000I think most of this audience does too.
00:20:22.000But I worry that the Communist Chinese could spend much of their 16 billion annual budget on intelligence and influence operations in the United States to be able to steal the 2024 election.
00:20:39.000Someone very important called recently and asked me if, you know, who was going to win this election, whether it was Trump and Joe Biden or Trump and someone else.
00:20:50.000And I said there's 100 percent chance that there's going to be an attempt to steal the election.
00:20:56.000There is a 95 percent chance they'll succeed.
00:21:01.000But I myself have my money on the 5 percent because of the American people, if they understand it can be stolen, will go to unprecedented lengths to make sure either it is not or that they vote in such extraordinary numbers that they'll be able to outvote the steal.
00:21:18.000And so even though I think we're going to win and I very much agree with Kevin Roberts that we're going to save this country and change it back to what it should be, the amount of work we have to do between now and November will be unprecedented.
00:21:35.000And no one in the war room should have any illusion that is a foregone conclusion that Donald Trump is going to win.
00:21:42.000The debate performance, his debate performance the other day was fabulous.
00:21:46.000President Biden was, as everyone saw, awful.
00:21:51.000That does not mean that Biden won't be the nominee.
00:21:55.000And even in a very feeble position like he is in, that doesn't mean that the election couldn't be stolen.
00:22:08.000I speculate in this essay that we know communist China has all sorts of factories and warehouses around the country, warehouses primarily.
00:22:19.000But in those warehouses, why couldn't they produce a million ballots in each of the seven swing states?
00:22:25.000And all the seven swing states are going to allow mail-in ballots and nothing has been done by the Republican Party from 2020 to today to make sure that that's not the case.
00:22:35.000Why couldn't communist China produce ballots, counterfeit ballots essentially?
00:22:42.000We know they can counterfeit $100 bills.
00:23:06.000And so unless we vote in November in historic numbers, persuade people not merely to watch the war room, but to actually go door to door and get people to go and vote.
00:23:18.000If that does not happen, Joe Biden or some Democrat will be the president again.
00:23:25.000So I'm very optimistic that we can win, but only if we go to unprecedented lengths to make sure that our countrymen understand what is at stake.
00:23:38.000They're in a war with communist China.
00:23:40.000They're in a war here in this country with Marxists and communists who would like to fundamentally change this country.
00:23:48.000And unless they wake up to what is lost, get away from their televisions and Netflix and all of that and engage politically, then the country will be lost.
00:23:59.000The election will be lost, and I fear for some time, if that happens, the country could be lost because the radical lengths that the American left will go to alter this country fundamentally if they're able to get through November.
00:25:02.000One, you're talking about the leftists.
00:25:04.000Some of that are the globalists, right?
00:25:06.000The Davos crowd, the billionaire crowd, the Wall Street money crowd.
00:25:10.000My friend Scott Perry has the receipts of checks going to the Biden family from China.
00:25:16.000After Biden's debate, Steve Bannon couched in terms of a national security crisis that would merge into a constitutional crisis because everyone with common sense that night saw what happened.
00:25:29.000And CNN, MSNBC, Bob Woodward from Watergate gave the most scathing remarks that are unrecoverable.
00:25:38.000Right. He was so scathing of the talk.
00:25:40.000And this cannot happen for the sake of the country.
00:25:43.000Right. And so after that, then Biden and the forces that be sharpened their pencils.
00:25:49.000What's your just quick response to that?
00:26:40.000They know his administration is filled with leftists who themselves agree fundamentally with the globalist premise and fundamentally share the world view of both communist China and Russia or who themselves are in a strategic alliance.
00:27:25.000And you had the national socialists in Germany as well with, you know, just horrible evil effects across the board.
00:27:36.000Brian, I just want to thank you for joining us on the war room.
00:27:40.000Breaking news right now, Rudy Giuliani, one of our heroes, America's, you know, New York City's mayor, America's mayor, just a beloved, very good man has been disbarred.
00:28:17.000I want to warn you of a huge change that could be coming to our money in our bank accounts.
00:28:22.000First, think back to 9-11 shortly after the government pushed through the Patriot Act.
00:28:27.000This gave the government power to spy on innocent Americans by monitoring our phone and email and tracking our movement across the Internet.
00:28:35.000Now, Jim Rickards, editor of the independent financial newsletter Strategic Intelligence and New York Times bestselling author,
00:28:42.000is warning about a coming event that could elevate this governmental surveillance to a terrifying new level.
00:28:48.000In fact, some of the guests I've had on the war room believe that the government will soon expand their powers to track our every move.
00:28:56.000If we say the wrong things on social media, donate to the wrong causes, buy firearms, or even vote MAGA,
00:29:03.000the government may be able to shut us out of our bank accounts.
00:29:07.000I can't say for sure if this will happen, but it's an interesting and dire warning.
00:29:12.000Fortunately, Jim Rickards, an American patriot and friend of mine, has made it his mission to educate us on what he believes is coming
00:29:19.000and how to protect yourself from the possibility of programmable money.
00:29:25.000Watch Jim's warning video now before it's censored like I've been in the past.
00:31:32.000My favorite China economist who got things right, Navarro, is in jail.
00:31:37.000Trump could have been in jail July 12th.
00:31:40.000Now they've got a couple of weeks, but they can put him in jail.
00:31:43.000And so everybody wants to know, you know, their side and their side.
00:31:47.000At the same time they put my friends in jail, they're talking about the threat to democracy in the future with President Trump and SEAL Team 6 and all this baloney.
00:31:58.000And so our side just wants to know, you know, where's Lady Justice?
00:32:02.000If our guys are in jail, do their guys, are they going to release our guys from jail or are their guys going to go to jail?
00:32:12.000I mean, we've got to push back every way possible.
00:32:15.000We've done, I think, 98 subpoenas I've sent from our committee this Congress.
00:32:20.000I think that's more than the rest of Congress combined.
00:32:22.000Obviously, yesterday we just sued, took Merrick Garland to court because he won't give us the, he won't give us the audio tape of the special counsel, hers investigation to Joe Biden and his definite mishandling of classified information.
00:32:35.000He says on page one of the report, Joe Biden willfully, kept willfully disclosed classified information.
00:32:41.000He gave it to someone who wasn't allowed to receive it, namely his ghostwriter, the book writer.
00:32:46.000And then he told us on page 231 why he did so.
00:32:49.000He said Joe Biden had strong motivations for ignoring classified procedures because he was writing a book for which he got paid eight million bucks.
00:32:56.000So his motive was an eight million dollar motive.
00:32:58.000And he met the elements of the crime, but nothing happened there.
00:33:01.000So we've got to just continue to push.
00:33:04.000I remember the day that they did this to, to, to Steve, uh, on the house floor, there were, I think there were only four of us who stood up and said, this is wrong.
00:33:14.000What they're doing to Steve Bannon, Peter Navarro, what they also tried to do to Mark Meadows and Dan Scavino, four people they held in contempt.
00:33:23.000And they only brought charges on, on Steve Bannon and, and, uh, and of course Peter Navarro, but it's all wrong.
00:33:28.000And it's why we're pushing back with every way we know how, including the amicus that the house signed off on for, for, uh, for Steve.
00:33:36.000Um, so we'll, we've got to keep, we've got to keep all that up.
00:33:47.000And speaker, uh, Mike Johnson, uh, gave some strong comments, went on the mainstream media, which takes some guts and said this, uh, this J six committee was improperly constructed.
00:33:58.000That, uh, speaker McCarthy could not name any of the Republicans.
00:34:02.000They put two Republicans on the Democrat side who were actually Democrats.
00:34:05.000Uh, none of the fighters, you and, uh, the Indiana Congressman, uh, couldn't, uh, Nancy Pelosi would not allow you guys on.
00:34:14.000You weren't allowed minority counsel, et cetera.
00:34:23.000And then the legal beagle say, well, that's, you know, uh, the, the legal aspect, uh, happened prior, but it can, can the speaker of the U S house, right?
00:34:32.000The head of the Congress article one in the constitution, they're the voice.
00:34:45.000Well, I, I, it's a different Congress.
00:34:47.000So I'd, I'd have to, I'd have to, we have to do some legal work and figure out, I doubt it.
00:34:51.000But, uh, I, I do think the speaker is exactly right that this is the first committee formed where there wasn't a real, uh, there wasn't a real cross examination element to the committee.
00:35:03.000Every other committee, there's, there's, there's two sides.
00:35:13.000And, and of course, as you pointed out, Dave, first time in history where the leader of one of the major parties in the Congress is not allowed to point on a point to a select committee, the individuals he or she selected.
00:35:23.000Uh, Kevin McCarthy selected the people and, and, and Pelosi said no.
00:35:26.000Uh, and she said no to me and she said no to banks.
00:35:28.000And then once this committee was formed, the number of things, number of times we caught them lying.
00:35:33.000Not only because I caught them lying about me several times, but other members, other things too, that they lied about.
00:35:38.000Um, I think the whole thing as, as speaker Johnson has said, was not constituted properly.
00:35:44.000And was frankly a joke, particularly now that we're getting a chance to look back and see what they, what they did wrong and how they lied about so many things and misled the American people.
00:36:03.000Our side lets all of us go off and run individual campaigns.
00:36:06.000Uh, and the, the, the downside of that is as a Congressman, uh, I had a small microphone, uh, in comparison with the speaker's office, et cetera, or with the presidency.
00:36:16.000And so it's incumbent on the speaker to go out now, uh, and leadership to go out on our side of the football and all political views are my own, but I'm just speaking of principles here.
00:36:29.000What is our Republican message right now, right?
00:36:31.000The, the, the war room message is always the same.
00:36:34.000Uh, it's, uh, the border invasion, the, uh, $7 trillion budget, $2 trillion deficits that's funding the administrative state.
00:36:43.000And then we're in the middle of four wars.
00:36:45.000But if you pull the American people, I don't think they know that, uh, because our side, you know, you can do principled messaging on these simple messages.
00:36:53.000And so where's our side telling the American people, this is a travesty.
00:36:58.000This, this, this campaign is, I think, real basic.
00:37:01.000I think it's in three and a half years, we went from a secure border to no border.
00:37:05.000We've went from safe streets to record crime.
00:37:09.000And we went from stable prices to record inflation.
00:37:11.000That's what Joe Biden Democrats have given you in three and a half years.
00:37:15.000And oh, by the way, we went from a commander in chief who projected strength, where we weren't involved in these foreign conflicts, where we didn't have a terrorist group attack our dearest and best friend Israel.
00:37:23.000We went from that to what we have now, which is complete weakness in the Oval Office in Joe Biden.
00:37:29.000And then finally, we've, the other thing we've seen in the, in the three and a half years is these agencies be being turned on.
00:37:35.000We, the people, the very folks that are, that the government's supposed to serve, the government's been weaponized against.
00:37:40.000And that is the campaign. And do you want President Trump and Republicans?
00:37:44.000Or do you want Joe Biden and his weak leadership and the weaponization of government and record inflation and an open border?
00:37:50.000Or do you want that? I mean, that's the choice.
00:37:53.000And I think the country is seeing this.
00:37:55.000That's why President Trump is doing so well in every single poll in the seven key swing states.
00:38:00.000And frankly, some of the states that aren't considered the swing states.
00:38:04.000Yeah. Yeah. All right. Jimmy Jordan, my good friend, thank you very much for coming on the War Room.
00:38:10.000Please spread the fire through the Freedom Caucus.
00:38:13.000My good friends, tell them all I said hi and God bless and keep the fight going hard.
00:38:27.000All right. Mike, you want to respond to Jim Jordan and any of the commentary there, the issues at stake?
00:38:34.000Or you can riff on your own on the court cases. Take it wherever you will.
00:38:39.000So one of the major fallouts of this recent Supreme Court presidential immunity case is the Supreme Court correctly held that you can't gather and use evidence of the president's internal deliberations
00:38:56.000on his official acts because that would chill his official acts.
00:39:00.000And guess what? That's exactly the evidence that Alvin Bragg and Matthew Colangelo and Judge Juan Mershon used in the bogus show trial in New York.
00:39:11.000And so for along with many, many other reasons that this for that for this case getting reversed on appeal, it looks like this Trump presidential immunity case has stopped.
00:39:24.000That New York case in its tracks where I think Judge Mershon is at a minimum going to have to declare a mistrial because they introduced evidence that the Supreme Court just said they're not allowed to introduce because it interferes with the official duties of the president of the United States.
00:39:45.000And it has a chilling effect on the ability of the president to do his job if he has to explain his internal decision making process to, you know, to Congress or courts.
00:39:55.040So you could see a mistrial here. They just delayed the July 11th sentencing.
00:40:00.780And maybe this Judge Mershon's finally coming to his senses and maybe he should understand that he's going to face a criminal probe or he should face a criminal probe under the Trump 47 Justice Department for his for being part of a criminal conspiracy to violate President Trump's constitutional rights,
00:40:20.820which is a very serious federal civil rights felony, 18 U.S.C. 241 and 242, and judges are not immune.
00:40:29.360Nobody's above the law, as they say on the Democrat side.
00:40:32.560Well, judges are certainly not above the law when they're conspiring with a Soros-funded Manhattan DA Alvin Bragg and an Obama and Biden senior political appointee Matthew Colangelo to violate Trump's constitutional rights.
00:40:48.020And they're doing this while Judge Mershon's adult daughter, Lauren Mershon, is lining her pockets, raising millions of dollars off this unprecedented case.
00:40:58.120Judge Mershon clearly should have recused, must have recused under New York statute, and instead he retaliated against Trump.
00:41:06.840This whole House of Cards, this whole Biden-Democrat lawfare and election interference House of Cards is collapsing and collapsing fast.
00:41:15.180Good. Hey, Mike, go over that one more time.
00:41:18.940The highest level argument for us non-lawyers, you just said something that, you know, now I get it, but I didn't have it in my head.
00:41:26.500So we're talking about the immunity case, and then you said it's up on appeal.
00:41:34.260And then the appeal leads to retroactive decision-making going back in time that has major implications.
00:41:42.980So just spell that out for us non-lawyers, how immunity and then the appeal gets us to go back in time to get this thing right.
00:41:51.920So the Supreme Court in the January 6th case in D.C. with Jack Smith and Biden's January 6th case against Trump, the Supreme Court just held that you cannot prosecute the president of the United States for his official acts, including the outer perimeter of his official acts.
00:42:11.880And that is just extending 40-year-old precedent in the civil context, the Nixon case, Nixon v. Fitzgerald.
00:42:18.660That's extending that to the criminal case.
00:42:20.980So now the president, like federal judges, like members of Congress, are immune from criminal prosecution for their official acts.
00:42:28.320And if you ruled any other way, you're going to destroy the presidency.
00:42:31.880Another part of that ruling, like the speech or debate clause, like congressional immunity, you can't use evidence of the deliberations on official acts against the member of Congress or against now the president of the United States.
00:42:48.120Because if you're able to do an end run around immunity by using evidence of the internal deliberations of the official decision-making, you're going to destroy the president's ability to make decisions like it would destroy a member of Congress.
00:43:04.460So what happened was Alvin Bragg used evidence of the president's internal decision-making in the New York trial.
00:43:13.160That is going to be reversible error, clearly reversible error.
00:43:17.420It's going to stop that case in its tracks because you're dealing with immunity.
00:43:21.600That case now could be toast, just like the January 6th case, just like Big Fanny's case.