Bannon's War Room - July 05, 2024


Episode 3734： Victory In England


Episode Stats

Length

52 minutes

Words per Minute

158.70625

Word Count

8,358

Sentence Count

633

Misogynist Sentences

4

Hate Speech Sentences

7


Summary

Stephen Kamb breaks down the results of the UK general election, and talks about the rise of the far-right Freedom Party in the Netherlands. He's joined by journalist Sid Lukasen to discuss this and much more.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
00:00:07.000 Pray for our enemies.
00:00:09.000 Because we're going medieval on these people.
00:00:12.000 Here's another time I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.
00:00:17.000 The people have had a belly full of it.
00:00:19.000 I know you don't like hearing that.
00:00:20.000 I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that,
00:00:22.000 but you're not going to stop it.
00:00:23.000 It's going to happen.
00:00:24.000 And where do people like that go to share the big lie?
00:00:27.000 MAGA Media.
00:00:29.000 I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
00:00:34.000 Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
00:00:38.000 If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
00:00:44.000 War Room.
00:00:45.000 Here's your host, Stephen K. Band.
00:00:53.000 Good morning.
00:00:55.000 It's Friday, 5th of July and Dormini, 2024.
00:01:02.000 Big news today is the results of the UK general election.
00:01:08.000 Sir Keir Starmer is now Prime Minister.
00:01:12.000 Rishi Sunak has announced he'll be standing down as leader of the Conservative Party.
00:01:17.000 I think the headline figures will be going, hopefully, to Raheem and Ben Burkram, who are presently with Nigel Farage, member of parliament, at a press conference.
00:01:32.000 And we'll be going to them at some point if we can resolve a couple of technical issues first.
00:01:37.000 But I thought I'd just quickly break down what I think of the immediate takeaways on this.
00:01:43.000 But for me, the first statistic is this, of importance, that Reform UK, a new party formed not so long ago, wasn't even around at the last general election, came second to the Labour Party in 90 seats out of 650, which is a phenomenal result.
00:02:05.000 It has four MPs now.
00:02:08.000 And just to quickly take a look at this, I just want to break this down, 9.6 million votes, right, went to Labour, 9.6 million.
00:02:16.000 They got 410 seats.
00:02:18.000 Slightly less than that, 6.7 million votes to the Tories.
00:02:24.000 They got 119 seats.
00:02:26.000 This is all a consequence of the first-past-the-post system that we have in the UK and that you have in America as well.
00:02:35.000 And in fact, by the way, I'll interrupt myself to say that, Nigel Farage has just come out and called for electoral reform in the UK.
00:02:43.000 And there are a number of other smaller parties that have been pushing the electoral reform issue for quite some time.
00:02:49.000 We'll find out whether they're going to be able to work together on that.
00:02:53.000 Four million votes, that's about 42%, 43% of what the Labour Party got, came out with, for reform, four seats.
00:03:01.000 So they got about 40%, 45% of the votes that Labour had, and they came out with less than a hundredth of the parliamentary representation.
00:03:10.000 Less votes than reform, 3.5 million votes for the Liberal Democrats, the traditional progressive-ish, or radically woke progressive-ish traditional third party in UK politics.
00:03:27.000 They came out with 71 seats.
00:03:30.000 So we'll be breaking those results down with Raheem, who is there, Raheem Kassan, who is there in Clacton with Nigel.
00:03:38.000 But first, let's discuss something that we'd wanted to talk about to break down last week on the show.
00:03:45.000 We just weren't able to do it.
00:03:47.000 And that is in the Netherlands, because we're following this populist nationalist movement as it's breaking waves right across the European continent.
00:03:56.000 Over in the Netherlands, Kurt Wilders, who has been under armed guard for 20 years in fear of his life from Islamic militants, has for the first time broken through this cordon sanitaire.
00:04:15.000 And we'll be discussing what exactly that is in just a few moments.
00:04:18.000 He's broken through this pushing to one side by the mainstream parties.
00:04:25.000 And they're portioning out of 15 ministerial seats in the Netherlands.
00:04:32.000 Kurt Wilders' Freedom Party has five.
00:04:37.000 With me to discuss this is author and journalist Sid Lukasen.
00:04:41.000 Sid, good morning to you.
00:04:42.000 Thank you for joining us.
00:04:44.000 Could you just sort of break down for the war room posse?
00:04:49.000 How important is this after years of trying to not even recognize the existence of Kurt Wilders, all the popular support behind it?
00:04:59.000 This guy now has five out of 15 ministerial positions.
00:05:03.000 How important is this in the Netherlands?
00:05:07.000 And what does it mean for the next five years?
00:05:11.000 Hi, thank you so much for inviting me into the program.
00:05:16.000 Yeah, I'm happy to be of service and elucidate the situation for you.
00:05:20.000 So in the Netherlands, we have different chambers where the representation of the public takes place.
00:05:26.000 The most important which one is the Tweede Kamer.
00:05:31.000 So it's the House of Parliament, where the people have a directly representative system.
00:05:36.000 So unlike the United States and unlike the UK, you need an X amount of votes to get a seat.
00:05:43.000 So the total amount of seats is then divided by the total amount of votes.
00:05:49.000 So it's a representative system in a way.
00:05:52.000 And Geert Wilders made a huge win in the elections.
00:05:57.000 He does not have an absolute majority.
00:05:59.000 Because for an absolute majority, you would need 75 or 76 out of 150 seats, which never happened and never happened before in the history of the Dutch Parliament.
00:06:09.000 However, he's very close to a big majority.
00:06:12.000 He's roughly 40 votes.
00:06:15.000 So it's almost a third.
00:06:17.000 And then there were opinion polls recently where Geert Wilders' PVV, Partij voor de Vrijheid, Freedom Party, went as much as up to one third of the votes.
00:06:27.000 So in recent opinion polls, even after the election.
00:06:31.000 So after the elections, when negotiations about the government started, he became even more popular.
00:06:36.000 The people recognized that Geert Wilders, instead of just trying to be polarizing, now wanted to be constructive.
00:06:42.000 He actually set forth to become part of a governing coalition together with other right-wing parties.
00:06:48.000 He wants to actually take initiative, take responsibility to form a government, which is what many people actually found that quite surprising.
00:06:56.000 As normally PVV, it's considered kind of a cult, given that Geert Wilders is the only member of his party and all the others who carry official functions for the party are basically only doing this on personal courtesy,
00:07:10.000 personal mandates of personal mandates of Geert Wilders as he is the only member of his party.
00:07:14.000 So it gave quite some troubles in setting up this government and actually appointing these ministries.
00:07:19.000 Sid, can I just stop you on that?
00:07:22.000 He is the only member of the party.
00:07:24.000 The party belongs to him.
00:07:26.000 I guess his reasoning is, in order to be absolutely sure that he has control over this political movement that he has started, he founded, and that is very much in his own image, in order not for there to be some kind of coup at some point in the future, that is the reason why he is the only member of this party.
00:07:47.000 It means that he is totally secure now, and that the deep state won't be able to make an approach to one of his parliamentary colleagues to try and stab him in the back and assume the mantle of leadership.
00:08:01.000 Is that the reasoning?
00:08:03.000 No, the exact opposite of that actually happened, Ben.
00:08:07.000 The exact opposite happened.
00:08:09.000 Because what happened is that his governing coalition party, which is the Farmers Party, the party for a new social contract, and the Liberal Party, which is three coalition friends parties,
00:08:21.000 they actually banned Geert Wilders from becoming the new prime minister.
00:08:26.000 So they had to push someone other than Geert.
00:08:29.000 Even though Geert won the elections, the parties that he is in a coalition with don't want him to be the official leader of the cabinet.
00:08:37.000 They don't want him to be the premier of the Netherlands.
00:08:40.000 That's a different discussion.
00:08:41.000 We can talk a lot about that as well.
00:08:43.000 Why?
00:08:44.000 Because it does mean that the leaders of the political parties stay in parliament to control their coalition government,
00:08:50.000 which means that they actually have to profile themselves more ideological.
00:08:53.000 So I suppose that this means that Geert Wilders does not become the new premier, that he has to make discussions more ideological,
00:09:00.000 more about party programs, which is a different break with Dutch politics thus far.
00:09:05.000 But instead they appointed as premier a former member of the Labour Party, who gave up his leadership some time ago,
00:09:13.000 and it was actually the member of the secret services.
00:09:16.000 So now the new premier of the Netherlands, called Dick Schoof, is actually the former chief of the military security agency and also the Dutch secret intelligence services.
00:09:27.000 So normally you would expect something like this as someone actually has the power behind the curtain, the deep state, the CIA, the FBI and so on.
00:09:36.000 Or Putin in Russia, for instance, KGB, former KGB.
00:09:40.000 You would expect that sort of thing not to happen in a Western democracy.
00:09:44.000 But actually now, yes, the former head of secret services is now suddenly a head of Dutch cabinet, a new prime minister of the Netherlands.
00:09:53.000 And another member that Geert Wilders actually had and wanted to push forward, Gidi Markersauer.
00:09:58.000 Geert Wilders got a file apparently by the secret services that listed some things about this guy, Gidi Markersauer,
00:10:06.000 that apparently he was in touch with Israeli intelligence.
00:10:11.000 No one really knows.
00:10:12.000 And then Geert Wilders looked at this file that he got from secret services and said, oh, no, I cannot put him forward for minister any longer.
00:10:19.000 So he had to actually retract one of his minister's suggestions and put other people in favor and suggest other candidates for this position.
00:10:27.000 So there actually is a lot of influence of the deep state, the Dutch secret services intelligence society on the formation of this cabinet.
00:10:36.000 It's actually very unprecedented in Dutch politics that this happens.
00:10:41.000 Normally, it's much more politicized that it's people who are already serving as city councilor or serving as a deputy in provinces or so on,
00:10:48.000 that all these people are put forward for ministerial positions, people with a distinct political profile.
00:10:53.000 But because Geert Wilders doesn't really have a party, he's a one man party, he has to get people from other positions.
00:11:00.000 So that's why suddenly they're now Dick Schoof, former member of former head of secret services,
00:11:06.000 who is suddenly being pushed forward, candidated as a head of government.
00:11:10.000 Just to be precise, I was asking about the fact that Geert Wilders is the only member now of the PVV.
00:11:20.000 That means there's no one in the party that can remove it.
00:11:23.000 Like, for example, there was in what is now the last parliament in the UK, Boris Johnson resigned as leader of the party
00:11:38.000 because he was going to be no confidence by the parliamentary party.
00:11:41.000 They got him out.
00:11:43.000 Having lost the position of leader of the party, it was then inevitable that he would cease to be prime minister if he hadn't resigned as prime minister.
00:11:51.000 This can't happen.
00:11:53.000 This can't happen with Geert Wilders, can it?
00:11:57.000 This can't happen with Geert Wilders.
00:11:59.000 His position as leader of the Freedom Party is secure.
00:12:04.000 Were they consulted on this decision?
00:12:06.000 So what you're describing about Boris Johnson, it seems more like some party elites, some members of parliament,
00:12:12.000 suddenly conspiraced against Johnson.
00:12:15.000 But were actually the members of the Tory party, were actually the members consulted on this decision to oust Boris Johnson or not?
00:12:23.000 Or was it just a random decision by some guys in parliament?
00:12:27.000 It was a vote.
00:12:31.000 If I remember correctly, Sidney, it was the parliamentary party and not the party membership.
00:12:40.000 Exactly.
00:12:41.000 If I remember correctly, I'm fairly sure that the party membership voted for Liz Truss.
00:12:50.000 Then she resigned and then the parliamentary party imposed Rishi Sunak.
00:12:56.000 If I remember correctly, the party membership never elected Rishi Sunak.
00:13:04.000 But I want to drill down on this.
00:13:06.000 In the Dutch situation, Geert Wilders is absolutely secure as leader of the Freedom Party.
00:13:12.000 There's no one being the sole member of it.
00:13:14.000 There's no owner of it.
00:13:16.000 There's nobody that can stab him in the back, is there?
00:13:19.000 It's true.
00:13:20.000 Yeah.
00:13:21.000 But it just proved that the Deepstein found other ways to influence him.
00:13:24.000 So if you want to influence the PVV, you only have to influence Geert Wilders.
00:13:28.000 And it's easy to influence Geert Wilders because Geert Wilders is dependent on the secret services
00:13:33.000 because there are so many Muslim radicals who want to kill him that he is dependent on the secret services
00:13:38.000 for all the intelligence of every step he can take in every day of his life is mediated by Dutch intelligence services.
00:13:44.000 So it's easy actually to influence the PVV because you only have to influence Wilders directly.
00:13:49.000 And in the case of the Tory party, it just points out that the party has been hijacked by a bunch of elites
00:13:55.000 who actually don't represent the will of the party members and that the party membership structure of the Tory party is weak
00:14:02.000 and that it doesn't abide by what the actual members of the party want.
00:14:06.000 It's been hijacked by a corrupt elite who wants to do something else.
00:14:09.000 Of course, in Wilders position, it's not possible for the members of parliament to really turn against him.
00:14:15.000 But at the same time, once you're elected to the parliament, then you're yeah.
00:14:21.000 Well, these things happened before in Dutch politics.
00:14:23.000 Actually, there was a PVV split up.
00:14:26.000 I think in 2017, there were a bunch of people who split up from the PPV and they started their own fraction.
00:14:32.000 Because here's the thing, once you're actually elected to the parliament, you only are indebted to the constitution.
00:14:38.000 So the constitution says you can keep your seat even if you leave the party, whatever.
00:14:43.000 Your seat is your personal possession.
00:14:45.000 That's what the constitution says.
00:14:46.000 The party has no constitutional basis.
00:14:48.000 The constitution does not include any political party structure.
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00:16:18.000 I would like to say first and foremost, I am sorry.
00:16:22.000 I have given this job my all.
00:16:25.000 But you have sent a clear signal that the government of the United Kingdom must change.
00:16:31.000 And yours is the only judgment that matters.
00:16:34.000 This is a difficult day at the end of a number of difficult days.
00:16:40.000 But I leave this job honored to have been your prime minister.
00:16:44.000 This is the best country in the world.
00:16:47.000 And it is thanks entirely to you, the British people, the true source of all our achievements, our strengths and our greatness.
00:16:56.000 Thank you.
00:16:57.000 Thank you.
00:16:58.000 Fans out there, let's that is what you call.
00:17:01.000 Are you ready for it?
00:17:03.000 You ready?
00:17:04.000 Because I know we don't have it here in the United States.
00:17:07.000 You have no idea what it's what it's called.
00:17:09.000 That's called a peaceful transfer of power.
00:17:12.000 Actually, that's what we had in the United States of America from the late 1700s until the year 2020 when Donald Trump refused to do it.
00:17:23.000 See, it's better that way.
00:17:25.000 It's better that way because you actually let the voters decide.
00:17:28.000 And that's what democracies, constitutional republics are all about.
00:17:35.000 It's midnight.
00:17:36.000 There were two results in from the northeast of England that put reform on 30 percent of the vote.
00:17:42.000 That is way more than any possible prediction or projection.
00:17:46.000 It's almost unbelievable.
00:17:48.000 And what does it mean?
00:17:49.000 It means we're going to win seats.
00:17:50.000 Many, many seats, I think, right now across the country.
00:17:53.000 But to watch the TV coverage, it's almost comical.
00:17:56.000 There's not a single representative on there from Reform UK.
00:18:00.000 Mainstream media are in denial just as much as our political parties.
00:18:05.000 This is going to be six million votes plus.
00:18:08.000 This, folks, is huge.
00:18:10.000 The conservatives were rewriting the map.
00:18:13.000 And a lot of talk about what was happening in the United States was happening there and that it was going to change forever.
00:18:19.000 Five years later, Johnson's Tories completely wiped out.
00:18:25.000 Oh, absolutely.
00:18:26.000 And it's one of the characteristics of a parliamentary system is that it's less difficult to affect wholesale change because you essentially have a single vote.
00:18:35.000 You vote nationally and has all sorts of repercussions.
00:18:38.000 And as Zannie pointed out, what's so interesting about this vote is if you add up the Tories and the Farage's reform movement, the conservatives, if you count them all as conservatives, were pretty competitive with labor.
00:18:51.000 It was really a lot of this was the characteristics of the British voting system.
00:18:56.000 But your point's exactly right, Joe.
00:19:01.000 And it's a little bit more difficult to bring that about here because we have all the separate elections for Congress.
00:19:07.000 The other thing is where you began.
00:19:09.000 I had the same reaction you did.
00:19:10.000 The concession speech by the outgoing crime minister had grace notes.
00:19:15.000 He was generous towards his successor.
00:19:17.000 He talked about how remarkable a country Britain was as someone such as himself, given his his roots in India.
00:19:25.000 He talked about his daughters lighting the Bali candles at 10 Downing Street.
00:19:29.000 It was a remarkably generous, gracious comment.
00:19:32.000 And it's it's it was a little bit of it to me.
00:19:35.000 I actually found it poignant as an American how we no longer have quite those grace notes, shall we say, in American politics.
00:19:43.000 Well, Mr. Returning Officer, all here at 10 Dring.
00:19:47.000 And I have to say, fellow candidates, it's been a well run, well thought and remarkably clean election battle.
00:19:53.000 I think we'd all agree on that. And thank you for your services.
00:19:57.000 I promise that I will do my absolute best as a member of parliament.
00:20:03.000 I had 20 years as an MEP, but it's not quite the same link or same responsibility with constituents.
00:20:09.000 I will do my absolute best to put Clacton on the map.
00:20:13.000 I'll do my best to bring more tourists.
00:20:15.000 I'll do my best to try and bring some private investment.
00:20:19.000 It's over 30 years ago that I fought my first parliamentary by-election.
00:20:25.000 And I fought lots of them over the years.
00:20:27.000 And I've had big successes in European elections and perhaps less so under first-past-the-post,
00:20:32.000 which is a very demanding, very, very demanding problem for smaller parties.
00:20:38.000 I will say this. It's four weeks and three days since I decided to come out of retirement and throw my hat in the ring.
00:20:44.000 I think what Reform UK has achieved in those just few short weeks is truly extraordinary.
00:20:51.000 Given that we had no money, no branch structure, virtually nothing across the country,
00:20:57.000 we are going to come second in hundreds of constituencies.
00:21:02.000 How many seats we're going to win, I don't know.
00:21:05.000 But to have done this in such a short space of time says something very fundamental is happening.
00:21:12.000 It's not just disappointment with the Conservative Party.
00:21:14.000 There is a massive gap on the centre-right of British politics.
00:21:18.000 And my job is to fill it.
00:21:20.000 And that's exactly what I'm going to do.
00:21:23.000 But it's not just what we do in Parliament as a national party that matters.
00:21:27.000 It's what we do out round the country.
00:21:29.000 Getting 5,000 people in that room in Birmingham last week, the energy, the optimism, the enthusiasm,
00:21:35.000 the belief that Westminster is just completely out of touch with ordinary people,
00:21:40.000 says to me that my plan is to build a mass national movement over the course of the next few years
00:21:47.000 and hopefully be big enough to challenge the general election properly in 2029.
00:21:54.000 What is interesting is there's no enthusiasm for Labour.
00:21:58.000 There's no enthusiasm for Starmer whatsoever.
00:22:01.000 In fact, about half of the vote is simply an anti-conservative vote.
00:22:06.000 This Labour government will be in trouble very, very quickly.
00:22:10.000 And we will now be targeting Labour votes.
00:22:14.000 We're coming for Labour. Be in no doubt about that.
00:22:17.000 I want to thank the team that have helped me do this over the last few weeks.
00:22:21.000 My fellow candidates for behaving as impeccably as they have.
00:22:25.000 Believe me, folks, this is just the first step of something that is going to stun all of you.
00:22:33.000 History being made there in the UK.
00:22:38.000 We'll be breaking this down with Rahim and Peter McIlvenna shortly.
00:22:43.000 Stand by for that.
00:22:44.000 If I can just finish off, please, Sid, with what you were saying.
00:22:50.000 I've got an article, if Dan would be very kindly just to put it up here,
00:22:54.000 because this is very illustrative.
00:22:56.000 This is the Guardian here saying that the new Dutch government's sworn in amid concerns over far-right ministers.
00:23:05.000 There seems to be – this is something that we do on the war room.
00:23:09.000 We do follow the populist nationalist wave as we have been doing for years,
00:23:15.000 as it breaks across the various countries in continental Europe.
00:23:23.000 And we look at the similarities, the commonalities, and the common denominator in all of these populist nationalist movements is immigration.
00:23:33.000 That is a fundamental issue that binds these various iterations together, these non-establishment right, centre-right parties together.
00:23:45.000 But we also look at the differences, and if – just in a couple of minutes, can you just sort of – it is my instinct that when the Guardian says that the Freedom Party is right-wing, I think that's really missing the point.
00:23:58.000 Look, is it true that Kurt Bilders isn't – I mean, he's not like, for example, Giorgio Maloney here in Italy.
00:24:06.000 He doesn't have a background within the reformed fascist movement.
00:24:12.000 This guy seems to me to be a progressive liberal who entered politics because he saw in militant Islam a threat against the liberal values that motivate him.
00:24:25.000 Is that an accurate reading or not?
00:24:27.000 Well, we have to keep in mind that Geert Wilders had actually a long career with the VVD,
00:24:33.000 the people's party for freedom and democracy that he's now in coalition with.
00:24:38.000 So there's actually some videos of Geert Wilders still saying things like, well, Islam is just a religion like any other religion.
00:24:44.000 How can you call this an existential threat to liberties?
00:24:47.000 But quickly after he got in a disagreement with the VVD, and there was disagreement about the Turkish entry to the EU.
00:24:55.000 So he said, I am, per definition, against Turkish accession to the EU.
00:25:00.000 Then he split off and he started his own freedom party, the PVV.
00:25:04.000 And now, many decades later, he is governing a coalition with his own PVV and his VVD, former party.
00:25:14.000 And Geert Wilders, is he a conservative guy?
00:25:16.000 Is he a true patriot and so on?
00:25:18.000 Well, it's a bit muddled in a way.
00:25:21.000 So Geert Wilders has some conservative instincts.
00:25:24.000 So he's a bit more on the conservative side when it comes to things like the EU.
00:25:29.000 He's very much pro national sovereignty.
00:25:31.000 He's very critical about transnational cooperation.
00:25:35.000 He's very critical about things like development aid.
00:25:38.000 But within the PVV, there is fierce discussion going on, even running up to the elections.
00:25:43.000 The PVV was internally divided about things like transgenderism for children.
00:25:49.000 Should children be having sex changes?
00:25:52.000 And from what age?
00:25:53.000 And how much freedom should parents have to decide this?
00:25:56.000 And so on.
00:25:57.000 His party was internally very divided on issues like that.
00:25:59.000 So it is kind of true that PVV is mainly anti-Islam, anti-immigration.
00:26:04.000 And then a bit more about health care and a little bit anti-EU sentiment into the mix.
00:26:09.000 But that's pretty much it.
00:26:10.000 So if you're going to say, hey, what's the opinion about PVV on the economy?
00:26:15.000 Or what's the opinion of PVV on things like digitalization?
00:26:18.000 Well, there isn't much to go about.
00:26:20.000 It's not an ideological party.
00:26:22.000 It's not really.
00:26:23.000 It doesn't have its own think tank, for example.
00:26:24.000 It doesn't have a membership structure.
00:26:26.000 And because it does not have a membership structure, it does not gain any subsidies.
00:26:30.000 So it doesn't have any think tank platform.
00:26:32.000 It has no magazines or no academic branches whatsoever.
00:26:36.000 It's mainly direct communication with the media.
00:26:39.000 Gerwild is making statements, usually polarizing statements.
00:26:42.000 And then that resonates with the audience.
00:26:44.000 And then there's a sort of political direction coming out of that.
00:26:47.000 That's how it operates, this party.
00:26:49.000 But Sid, the point is that he's not a proto-fascist.
00:26:53.000 That's the point I want to make.
00:26:55.000 There's nothing in his political background that makes him a proto-fascist.
00:27:00.000 Which is what I think the mainstream media seems to do.
00:27:02.000 They put everybody who's anti-immigration in the same box and treat everything as if it's monolithic.
00:27:08.000 Well, of course, it's not.
00:27:10.000 Sid, I'm very grateful for you coming on the show and breaking this down first,
00:27:14.000 because there are subtleties here.
00:27:16.000 And what's happening in the Netherlands is extremely important within the mix of the European Union generally.
00:27:22.000 Where can people get up with all the stuff that you're putting out on social media?
00:27:28.000 And do you want to say a quick word about the books, the various books that you've written?
00:27:33.000 Yes.
00:27:34.000 Thank you so much for this opportunity, Ben.
00:27:37.000 I've written some books, mainly Dutch books.
00:27:40.000 I still want to publish my English books.
00:27:43.000 But yeah, I need some support from that, preferably from the United States, Canada, United Kingdom,
00:27:47.000 to help me get my books all out also in English, to make them accessible to the English world.
00:27:52.000 People can follow me on my Telegram page.
00:27:54.000 I have my own Telegram page, Dr. Sid Canal.
00:27:57.000 I have a LinkedIn account, Sid Lucas, and you can find me on LinkedIn.
00:28:01.000 I've written many books on things like digitalization, light culture,
00:28:06.000 culture Marxism, identity, so many things.
00:28:09.000 My PhD was about democracy and the conditions of communication.
00:28:13.000 And I really hope that I can get in touch with people.
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00:29:36.000 Here's your host, Stephen K. Band.
00:29:43.000 Welcome back, folks.
00:29:45.000 We've now got Peter McIlvenna, the great legendary host of Hearts of Oak.
00:29:50.000 I have been very grateful to have been invited on a number of occasions to be as outrageous as I think I can get away with being.
00:29:59.000 The honour today, however, is for me to be host of Peter, which is the first.
00:30:07.000 Peter, you're very welcome here.
00:30:10.000 I know you've been on the show many times before.
00:30:12.000 It's a historic day in the UK, right?
00:30:17.000 Behind all of the statistics and the meltdown of the Tory party and everything, there are some sort of rather anomalous results.
00:30:31.000 Jeremy Corbyn's back in.
00:30:33.000 George Galloway's out.
00:30:36.000 Tory party's vote totally imploded.
00:30:39.000 I think that's probably one of the principal takeaways of the results.
00:30:45.000 The Labour Party got less votes in absolute terms than they did in 2019.
00:30:53.000 What are your takeaways on this, Peter?
00:30:57.000 Well, it's great to see you in the hot seat, Ben.
00:31:00.000 Great to be with you, as always.
00:31:03.000 So, obviously, our results came out quite quickly.
00:31:06.000 Can I just mention that, actually, we get ours all counted?
00:31:11.000 And I know you wish, actually, you were able to do that.
00:31:15.000 But we actually, we have a rush to get those votes in.
00:31:19.000 And you see people running with the boxes of ballots, trying to count them to get them in.
00:31:24.000 I think Sunderland usually is first and was first up in the northeast.
00:31:28.000 So, there are a lot of, it's a gloomy day.
00:31:31.000 It's gloomy in weather.
00:31:32.000 It's torrential red outside.
00:31:34.000 But it's gloomy in terms of outlook, because we are going to have five years of woke on steroids.
00:31:42.000 It's really concerning where we are going to that massive majority, over 400 seats for Labour, 170 majority.
00:31:52.000 That's kind of the huge black cloud that we have.
00:31:57.000 Now, there are a lot of silver linings within that.
00:32:01.000 And, obviously, the first silver lining is that people didn't really vote for Labour.
00:32:06.000 In fact, if you look at only 52% actually turned out to vote.
00:32:12.000 So, we've got 48 million registered voters.
00:32:14.000 I'm sure you've covered some of these stats, but only 52% actually turned out to vote.
00:32:19.000 So, if you look at the Labour vote, Labour got 33% of all the votes cast, but only 52% voted.
00:32:27.000 So, you've got a government that's in on 20% of those who are eligible to vote actually wanted them.
00:32:34.000 So, our government is in with one-fifth of the voting population saying we want them.
00:32:41.000 That shows a massive disconnect.
00:32:43.000 And it's down about five percentage points down on 2019.
00:32:47.000 And I think the silver lining is people have not voted for Labour.
00:32:51.000 They haven't voted for Keir Stormer because they don't know who he is.
00:32:54.000 He doesn't know who he is.
00:32:55.000 So, why would we know?
00:32:56.000 He doesn't know what a woman is.
00:32:57.000 So, he hardly knows what he is or what he's for, the poor guy.
00:33:01.000 But he is in there through strange circumstances that the Tories imploding.
00:33:08.000 Part of it seems to be intentionally.
00:33:10.000 And this has been handed to Keir Stormer.
00:33:13.000 He's taken this.
00:33:15.000 I saw Nigel Farage tweeted an hour ago.
00:33:20.000 He said Keir Stormer checked his notes 150 times in his speech outside Donny Street.
00:33:26.000 That's every 2.8 seconds.
00:33:29.000 And this shows where we are.
00:33:31.000 You've got an individual that is now in charge and doesn't know really how to do it.
00:33:37.000 One, doesn't enjoy the line, right?
00:33:38.000 So, he's the opposite of Nigel.
00:33:40.000 But two, he is not a big character.
00:33:43.000 And he doesn't seem to have that confidence.
00:33:45.000 Now, he may grow into that.
00:33:47.000 He's grown into it as Labour leader over his time.
00:33:50.000 Someone like Nigel, of course, has that innate charisma.
00:33:54.000 Some of that has been worked on 25 years through his time on UKIP.
00:33:59.000 And you see that now as him being the finished product.
00:34:02.000 But we have an individual who is stuttery, who isn't confident, doesn't know what his vision is.
00:34:09.000 So, to me, that's partially the silver lining that is as concerned as any Brit may be this morning.
00:34:17.000 That we are now under the dark clouds of Labour government for the next five years.
00:34:22.000 They're not very sure what to do with it.
00:34:24.000 And it's similar to Boris in 2019.
00:34:26.000 Whenever he got in charge, the people thought, wonderful.
00:34:29.000 But you're an individual who didn't know what to do with that power.
00:34:32.000 And I think that maybe Keir Stormer doesn't know what to do with that power either.
00:34:36.000 That's one big takeaway.
00:34:39.000 Lots of others.
00:34:40.000 Reform doing well.
00:34:41.000 Alternative media doing well.
00:34:43.000 Lots of other good takeaways.
00:34:44.000 But for me, that's the one.
00:34:46.000 It's not for Labour.
00:34:47.000 It's actually against the Tories.
00:34:49.000 Yeah, I mean, my takeaway is pretty much exactly the same thing.
00:34:53.000 I phrased it slightly differently.
00:34:54.000 It's that the Tory vote absolutely imploded.
00:34:57.000 The Tory party's vote has absolutely imploded.
00:35:01.000 And I think if you're going to say, well, what conclusions do you draw from that?
00:35:06.000 I would say it's basically that the British people have rejected a notional centre-right party that has the attitude that we will tell you what we are going to give you.
00:35:19.000 What you might want is immaterial to us.
00:35:22.000 We will tell you what we're going to give you.
00:35:24.000 And you will accept it.
00:35:25.000 You will be happy, in Klaus Schwab's famous words.
00:35:31.000 And I think that has really gone down very badly.
00:35:34.000 As you say, the Labour Party took a percentage of 33%.
00:35:40.000 Margaret Thatcher in 83, I think she got 44% of the nation.
00:35:47.000 So it's a totally different, totally different, there are different ways in the UK.
00:35:53.000 We first passed the systems of securing a mandate.
00:35:57.000 And there are very, very different ways.
00:36:00.000 It's a very different way that the Labour Party has obtained its mandate.
00:36:06.000 What do you think about the interplay then between the Tories now and reform?
00:36:11.000 Because in 90, and indeed between Labour and reform, because in 90 seats, reform now came second to Labour.
00:36:23.000 How do you think this dynamic is going to play out?
00:36:27.000 Do you think, Peter, that yesterday has marked a new paradigm in British electoral politics, in British politics?
00:36:37.000 Is there now a new paradigm in play in a way that there wasn't with the old SDP in the 1980s?
00:36:44.000 I think there is.
00:36:46.000 And I think there is for a number of reasons.
00:36:48.000 And you don't want to jump the gun.
00:36:50.000 But actually, this seems to be different.
00:36:53.000 One, all the parties are devoid of any way of getting us out of the financial crisis and the mass immigration crisis
00:37:03.000 and the lack of identity that Britain face.
00:37:06.000 None of them have a plan.
00:37:08.000 Labour don't.
00:37:09.000 The Tories certainly don't.
00:37:10.000 The Tories have got us into this mess.
00:37:12.000 Conservative in name only have got us into this mess after 14 years.
00:37:15.000 The Lib Dems having done well with 72 seats and the Liberal Democrats kind of centre left.
00:37:20.000 If you don't know who to vote for, you vote Lib Dems.
00:37:23.000 That's basically, they're the party to throw the rubbish in the trash bin if you don't know where to put it.
00:37:29.000 So they got 72 seats.
00:37:31.000 They've done well.
00:37:32.000 They don't really know what to do.
00:37:33.000 You've got the Green Party with four and they are full on net zero crazy environmental activists.
00:37:40.000 They know what they want to do and they will drive ahead.
00:37:43.000 Reform also know what they want to do.
00:37:45.000 And why do I think this is different than any other time?
00:37:49.000 I think it's different in that Nigel, you've got a leader who is charismatic, who engages with the people and has gone, has done, has got the party where they are in six weeks.
00:38:01.000 So in six weeks ago, they had, what, eight percent in the polls, maybe.
00:38:06.000 Now they've doubled that.
00:38:08.000 They had some name recognition, but not that much.
00:38:10.000 Richard Tice isn't the strongest of leaders, let's put it simply.
00:38:15.000 Nigel steps back into the ring.
00:38:17.000 And there isn't another politician who has the level of name recognition that Nigel has.
00:38:23.000 And it's Marmite, you hit him or loathe him.
00:38:26.000 It doesn't matter.
00:38:27.000 Actually, people know who he is.
00:38:29.000 And because I think it's something different, because of the situation we find ourselves in, that there is no solution for the mess we're in.
00:38:39.000 And the crazy woke ideology, the pendulum having swung too far, I think, certainly on the trans ideology and reform or common sense, they're calling it as it is.
00:38:50.000 The issue in the UK is we have tribal voting.
00:38:53.000 And we don't have, we have stuck with that uni party of left and more left, of red and blue, Labour Conservative.
00:39:01.000 And generally, people haven't moved away from that.
00:39:03.000 In some elections, we've had 88 percent voting for that block.
00:39:08.000 We now have a new game in town, rebranded from the Brexit party.
00:39:13.000 And Nigel's used social media better than anyone else.
00:39:16.000 I mean, the hits that Nigel has had on social media is like three times more than the other parties have had together.
00:39:23.000 He has set it ablaze.
00:39:25.000 He is connected with Gen Z voters as well, using TikTok, using social media in a way that the others cannot do.
00:39:34.000 And Nigel has not Nigel himself.
00:39:37.000 Nigel is probably a technophobe.
00:39:39.000 But actually, he has brought a team around.
00:39:42.000 And this is what it's all about.
00:39:44.000 No matter how good Nigel may be, if he doesn't have a team behind him that can actually have 650 candidates running across the country, that can actually run a media campaign, that can actually hit home with the voters.
00:39:56.000 If you don't have that, then actually you won't get anywhere.
00:39:58.000 Nigel has built up a whole team.
00:40:00.000 And I think into that vacuum that we find ourselves into the UK, you have an exciting proposition of reform.
00:40:07.000 And they only get bigger and bigger.
00:40:09.000 Their membership will grow.
00:40:10.000 Their publicity will grow.
00:40:11.000 I can see them going bigger and bigger and bigger.
00:40:14.000 And people say, actually, reforming our party, I want to join up.
00:40:17.000 I want to become a member.
00:40:18.000 Donors will come.
00:40:19.000 And Nigel will pull in like a magnet.
00:40:22.000 People, donors, and publicity.
00:40:25.000 Okay.
00:40:26.000 Okay.
00:40:27.000 On this point now, firstly, you mentioned the lack of charisma between Rishi Sunak and Keir Starmer.
00:40:35.000 And seeing the debate, it's like watching two Daleks having a pillow fight.
00:40:41.000 Each one of them is more uncharismatic.
00:40:45.000 Perhaps Rishi Sunak is more autistic as a Dalek than Keir Starmer.
00:40:50.000 But neither of them are compelling speakers.
00:40:52.000 That's actually for sure.
00:40:54.000 And Nigel Farage is.
00:40:56.000 In the two minutes that we've got left, before we go to the break, do you think there's a sort of a parallel between how, on the central right of the political spectrum, you have a charismatic leader that is bringing people into, reinvigorating people and bringing them into a movement, in the same way that Donald Trump is.
00:41:14.000 In the same way that Donald Trump is doing in the United States.
00:41:17.000 Oh, there is huge.
00:41:18.000 And I saw Donald Trump sent a message of congratulations to Nigel Farage.
00:41:24.000 It wasn't to the new prime minister.
00:41:26.000 That's so Trump.
00:41:28.000 So, yes, there is.
00:41:30.000 And in that battle on the right, the Tories have utterly failed.
00:41:33.000 No matter who they put in, I cannot see them winning against Nigel, even if they put put Kemi Patnock in, who's wonderful on many issues, but turned on Nigel.
00:41:43.000 I think that will do her damage.
00:41:45.000 She's one of the only ones standing on the right of the party.
00:41:48.000 So I think Nigel has stolen it from the Conservative Party.
00:41:52.000 And the anger you could see online is, why are the Tory party splitting the vote?
00:41:57.000 It's not, why are reform cutting in and taking votes away from Conservatives?
00:42:01.000 No.
00:42:02.000 Why is the Conservative Party taking away votes from reform?
00:42:05.000 Because reform speak common sense, connect with small government, connect with low taxes, connect with butt out of my life.
00:42:14.000 Let me get on and stop regulating and controlling and mandating everything I do.
00:42:19.000 That appeals to those on the right, those common sense individuals that have traditionally voted Conservative.
00:42:25.000 Conservatives haven't conserved anything.
00:42:27.000 So I think Nigel steps into that vacuum and I think he is the one for the right.
00:42:33.000 And no matter who the Conservatives put in power, I don't think people will forgive them for what they've done.
00:42:38.000 And I don't think they can compete against Nigel because Nigel is the man of the moment.
00:42:43.000 And I think he's the man going forward to 2029.
00:42:46.000 Peter, stand by, if you will.
00:42:49.000 We're just going to go to a break.
00:42:51.000 I'm going to come back, though, and I'm going to ask you the question now, OK?
00:42:55.000 In the same way that Brexit prefigured in 2015, prefigured the Trump victory in 2016, do you see any potential parallel between this huge result that he's achieved?
00:43:11.000 And it has been him and his charisma.
00:43:13.000 Do you see any parallel, perhaps, between yesterday's result in the UK and what portends on the 5th of November 2014?
00:43:25.000 Hold by, please, Peter.
00:43:27.000 We'll come back after the break and we'll hear your thoughts to that question.
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00:45:17.000 So, look, do you think there is a parallel between Nigel Farage's incredible result yesterday and a possible, hopeful, presumed Donald Trump's super victory in November in the same way that Brexit heralded Trump's first electoral win?
00:45:40.000 I think so, but I think as amazing Brexit was and the hard fought battle, long time to win that.
00:45:49.000 That was just that was the UK.
00:45:51.000 Yes, connected to Europe and the UK getting free to some extent from Europe.
00:45:55.000 But we've seen something even wider because what we're seeing in the UK has come after those huge results across Europe.
00:46:03.000 So you've got a populist wave that's come across Europe.
00:46:06.000 I know, Ben, you've reported on this numerous times.
00:46:08.000 We have seen something happen in the UK with the Conservative Party's chest of ideas laid bare.
00:46:15.000 And people have, by four million, voted for reform.
00:46:20.000 And remember, you keep it as high, got 12.8 percent.
00:46:24.000 Reform got 14.4 percent, I think.
00:46:26.000 That was done in six weeks, putting together.
00:46:29.000 So imagine what is going to come to play, to play by 2029.
00:46:34.000 So there's a great ground game for Nigel to play.
00:46:38.000 And Nigel said he wanted to look at the US elections in November.
00:46:43.000 Initially, he was not going to get involved in the UK because he sees that those elections in the US are pivotal, not only to those in the US, but to us in the UK and to Europe.
00:46:57.000 And to Europe, in fact, worldwide for the Western civilization.
00:47:01.000 And I don't think it's saying it too strongly.
00:47:04.000 The vote in America to make sure Donald Trump gets back in the White House is seismic.
00:47:11.000 And I think this in the UK, Nigel has done something huge.
00:47:15.000 He is.
00:47:16.000 It would have been easier to focus on the US election because that's where the enthusiasm is.
00:47:22.000 We don't have a MAGIT movement.
00:47:24.000 We don't have that size of patriot movement in the UK as you have in the US.
00:47:28.000 And we are extremely jealous for that.
00:47:30.000 But Nigel is building something here.
00:47:33.000 And with this vote, 4 million, 14 and a half percent.
00:47:38.000 He has done that from a standing start in six weeks.
00:47:41.000 And I think that preceded by the vote across Europe actually leads into those US elections in November.
00:47:50.000 And I think it's really exciting because President Trump can have a connection, a bridge with Europe that he did not have whenever he was president the first time.
00:48:02.000 So now with those brighter populism, if we see Marine Le Pen doing very well in France, you think at FPO in Austria top, you've got obviously Orban being the man over in Hungary.
00:48:16.000 You've got George Maloney understanding how the game is played and I think has played it fairly well, although maybe slower than we would have wanted.
00:48:23.000 But actually all those figures across Europe and then the FD in Germany, that means that blocks that blocking in Europe because I'll do with the groupings.
00:48:32.000 That means there is a launch pad, a connection with Europe, with the US that there wasn't before.
00:48:39.000 And I think President Trump going into the White House in January, he is going to have a relationship and a connection with Europe that he did not have before.
00:48:49.000 And that is extremely positive.
00:48:52.000 And of course, we'll see what happens with Nigel being in Westminster.
00:48:57.000 Well, the last time Trump was not afforded a proper visit to the UK, it was downgraded.
00:49:05.000 Well, I think Nigel will maybe just invite him over, give him a tour of Parliament.
00:49:10.000 They understand politics like few others in the Western world.
00:49:14.000 That connection is intriguing, not only in a friendship level, but in a vision level for what we need to see for countries.
00:49:22.000 And I think, yes, what we're seeing in Europe, what we're seeing in the UK is the starter gun for what we are expecting huge success in the US in those November elections.
00:49:34.000 Thanks, Peter. Look at my final observation. This occurred to me just as you were talking, right?
00:49:41.000 I bet it looks, I bet, you know, the autistic Tory party, the autistic parliamentary party ought to be looking back on its decision to treat with contempt the idea of naming Nigel Farage as His Majesty's Ambassador to Washington as a missed opportunity for them.
00:50:04.000 Right. Because they could have done it. They didn't because they wanted to show instead how much contempt they had for him.
00:50:11.000 And, you know, how smart, you know, how smart are they feeling now?
00:50:19.000 OK, look, I just want to leave the last word to the Financial Times headline.
00:50:24.000 Starmer stands supreme, but he cannot ignore the reform surge. I think that sums it up well there in the FT.
00:50:32.000 Peter, a minute left. How do folks get hold of you? I know you've got an interesting guest coming up on the show tomorrow.
00:50:38.000 All our shows are interesting, Ben. Come on. You're on that often. That shows how interesting we have lots of guests on Thursday with Dr. Shea Bradley-File with us from Conjure Point Institute.
00:50:52.000 Love what she is doing, engaging in Hungary, very much part of CPAC Hungary.
00:50:58.000 On Saturday, we have Betty. And Betty, a high-profile figure here in the UK. She's been on before. Love having her on. Love her post she puts on Twitter.
00:51:07.000 So she's joining us, obviously, to unpack the election and then to go into a range of other issues.
00:51:13.000 So you can catch us 3 p.m. Eastern, whenever we're not bumped by President Trump or anyone else.
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