Bannon's War Room - Episode 3735： The White House Is Gaslighting The American People

00:00:00.000 out there. Let's that is what you call. Are you ready for it? You ready? Because I know we don't

00:00:07.520 have it here in the United States. You have no idea what it's what it's called. That's called

00:00:11.340 a peaceful transfer of power. Actually, that's what we had in the United States of America

00:00:17.660 from the late 1700s until the year 2020 when Donald Trump refused to do it.

00:00:25.120 See, it's better that way. It's better that way because you actually let the voters decide.

00:00:30.840 And that's what democracies, constitutional republics are all about.

00:00:40.240 This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going

00:00:47.920 medieval on these people. I got a free shot. All these networks lying about the people. The people

00:00:55.060 have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you've tried to do everything

00:00:58.980 in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen.

00:01:01.980 And where do people like that go to share the big lie? MAGA media. I wish in my soul, I wish

00:01:08.980 that any of these people had a conscience.

00:01:12.120 Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country,

00:01:18.760 this country will be saved.

00:01:22.120 War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Vann.

00:01:32.560 It's Hammer time on The War Room.

00:01:35.440 Josh Hammer from Newsweek is with us today to break down an article that we check out.

00:01:42.360 I check Newsweek basically every day. There was an interesting article today about the – yesterday,

00:01:50.920 excuse me – about this Lincoln Project video, which treated, in quite appalling terms, Steve.

00:01:57.540 And I sort of – it's created – in fact, it appears that the Lincoln Project has really overstepped

00:02:03.800 the bounds of decency, even within GOP quarters that don't like the war and that don't like

00:02:12.580 Bagger, don't like Steve. Could you just say a bit for us, please, Josh, about what

00:02:19.600 Lincoln Project did here and the fallout that Newsweek has reported on? Thanks.

00:02:28.520 Yeah, sure. So it's great to meet you, Ben. Great to join The War Room, as always, obviously.

00:02:33.940 Look, the Lincoln Project, I mean, what is there to say that hasn't already been said? This is a

00:02:38.040 disgusting outfit of slobbering, anti-Trump, slothful people. I mean, this is an organization 1.00

00:02:44.480 that has been filled with scandalous pedophilia, if I can just be so blunt. For many years now,

00:02:50.820 John Weaver, mainly the people that have been closely affiliated with the Lincoln Project,

00:02:54.160 have been involved in an extraordinarily scandalous and outrageous behavior. So this disgusting video

00:03:00.660 that they put out about Steve Bannon in prison is hardly something that I am particularly surprised

00:03:06.160 by. So just to make sure that we're on the same page so that the War Room viewers can understand what

00:03:10.920 you and I are talking about, if they haven't seen it, they basically, this is the Lincoln Project,

00:03:14.960 the vehemently anti-Trump organization. It was started by disaffected former Republican operatives.

00:03:21.060 As I've said, they've been involved in all sorts of scandalous affairs over the years. This is a

00:03:25.700 highly, highly disreputable outfit, would I think be a charitable way of saying it. I have far less

00:03:30.980 charitable, more colorful things to say, perhaps off camera. So in any event, they created this new

00:03:36.960 advertisement, not just mocking Steve Bannon, but essentially taunting him and saying that they hope 1.00

00:03:43.520 that he gets raped in prison. If I understand the ad, I'm pretty sure that's what they're saying 0.99

00:03:48.920 there. And if there are any boundaries, if there are any boundaries or any sense of ethics or anything

00:03:56.140 remotely approximating ethics when it comes to politics in the year 2024, this is over that line.

00:04:01.900 I wouldn't say that. Benjamin, I would not wish my worst political enemies to be raped. I would 0.98

00:04:09.280 never in a million years think that or let alone produce a video to that effect against Nancy Pelosi,

00:04:15.880 Chuck Schumer, Joe Biden, Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, John Podesta, you name it. None of these

00:04:20.700 people. I mean, there are some lines. There are some lines that you simply do not cross. And the whole

00:04:25.740 point of the news folks in Newsweek who wrote up a little article about this was just to highlight

00:04:30.380 that there was across the political spectrum backlash against this, not just from the anti-Trump

00:04:37.120 wing, but also from the pro-Trump wing, but everyone. And no one seemed to like this ad. The

00:04:41.020 Lincoln product has seemed to simultaneously pull off the impossible, which is to basically unite

00:04:45.680 everyone against you, to which I say, okay, that's actually a good reality check, frankly.

00:04:49.800 It's interesting, isn't it, Josh, how, and I think Burma did a similar stand-up gag against 0.91

00:04:57.240 Donald Trump about him, the idea, the possibility that even President Trump might be raped in prison.

00:05:03.760 It's worth taking a step back that the progressives who have dominated the conversation over recent 0.81

00:05:10.680 years with all sort of, um, with LGBTQ, um, uh, correctness, political correctness, at the first 0.92

00:05:20.980 drop of a hat, when it comes to the possibility of discrediting MAGA's political leadership,

00:05:26.780 they go straight in to the male rape jokes as if this is something that's amusing and everyone

00:05:32.840 can line up behind and laugh at. That is a slight contradiction, I think, there. I definitely think

00:05:38.580 these libs should be pulled up on, on, on, on what is effectively hypocrisy on that front. I don't

00:05:44.260 know what you say to that. Yeah. I mean, I, I, again, I think hypocrisy at a bare minimum. I mean,

00:05:50.500 this is just at a visceral human level disgusting though. I mean, like I said, you know, I, I tend

00:05:57.260 towards a more combative and pugnacious approach toward our, our domestic politics. I mean, I think

00:06:02.120 that ultimately our, our cold roiling civil war here in the United States ultimately ends with one side

00:06:07.240 winning and the other side of losing. And I, you know, I pray to God that it, that it is my side.

00:06:11.860 So, so I do not necessarily view my political opposition with, with, with, with a particularly

00:06:17.220 favorable light, let alone what has happened over the past few years with this great coverup,

00:06:22.040 this great lie when it comes to Joe Biden's declining faculties and all that. So I, I harbor

00:06:26.680 an immense disdain for my political opposition, but like I said, I would never in a million years 0.99

00:06:31.700 wish that they be sent to prison on nonsensical charges and then to be raped in prison. I mean, 0.98

00:06:38.760 again, there were, there were just some lines that you don't cross into your point, Benjamin about

00:06:42.940 hypocrisy. Yeah. Well, these are the, these are the same people that tend towards being overly

00:06:48.440 faux moralistic, that tend towards a holier than thou posture. They're the ones who, who are yelling at

00:06:55.000 us for flying our planes while they're simultaneously flying their private G sevens to these environmentalist

00:07:02.080 confabs and oil producing countries like the UAE and Qatar and so forth. I mean, the, to say that

00:07:07.360 these people have no sense of shame and are just completely inundated in a, in a roiling hypocrisy

00:07:12.280 would be, would be an incredible understatement. They're the prototypical limousine liberals, 0.53

00:07:16.400 the Los Angeles, San Francisco socialists and whatnot there who live in gated communities while they want

00:07:21.760 to defund the police who have private security while they want to strip you of your second amendment

00:07:26.120 right to keep and bear arms. So they think that they are holier than thou. While on the other hand,

00:07:31.120 they are openly clamoring and hoping that their political opposition, not just loses the ballot box, 0.99

00:07:36.900 but actually gets raped. That says everything you need to know about the moral caliber or lack thereof 0.98

00:07:42.360 of these people. Now, Josh, you mentioned just now this, the fact that they lied to us. And we're

00:07:51.000 going to kick that after the break, uh, cause that's a very important article that you've just put

00:07:56.360 out. Um, a really substantial article, which says up clear that the democratic establishment from,

00:08:02.880 for, for basically from the get go about room on discussions to do with Biden's mental capacity,

00:08:09.200 they have been lying. Um, and I will add parenthetically gaslighting as well. I will break

00:08:15.540 down your article. However, after the break, I want to stay on this point, however, just for now

00:08:19.360 on the, um, on the Lincoln projects, I think absolute revelations that these guys have no moral decency

00:08:26.900 whatsoever. Um, and yet they have been pervading themselves, um, since the emergence of, of Donald

00:08:34.260 Trump and raising a lot of money, by the way, doing so by assuming, um, presuming that they have the

00:08:42.500 moral high ground, um, this ad that they paid, they spent donors money and they put an adverts

00:08:49.200 together, which we were showing as you, as you were talking just a few moments ago, fantasizing, 0.97

00:08:56.780 salivating over the fact that Steve Bannon, when he's in prison is going to get raped by other men. 0.92

00:09:04.380 These are the people that have been combating, have been dominating the political discourse, 0.98

00:09:10.360 Lincoln project within the GOP, stabbing MAGA in the back, stabbing Donald Trump in the back

00:09:17.400 by portraying themselves as people who have the moral high ground. And it's totally fake and it's

00:09:24.880 totally performative. This is where they are spending their donors money. I think it's absolutely

00:09:30.140 outrageous. Um, and I, I'd like to ask you, Josh, and I'm very grateful that you've come on the show

00:09:35.100 today to talk about this and, um, and, um, and your own article. Um, I just like to ask you whether

00:09:41.760 you think this, the graphicness of this disgusting publicity that they assumed presumably that people

00:09:52.020 would be lining up and applauding them and patting them on the back, whether this will have any permanent

00:09:56.560 knock on consequences for, for, for, for, I think what, what is visibly now a shabby disreputable

00:10:03.660 outfit. Well, I think the purpose of the Newsweek article, which, which wrote this up was to collect

00:10:09.800 responses from really all across the political spectrum. I mean, you had former Obama, if I recall,

00:10:15.260 even Biden staffers who I saw on social media come out and say, this is a step too far. Again,

00:10:20.840 this is not just an, an intra Republican party, an intra conservative movement dispute between the

00:10:27.240 pro Trump wing and the never Trump wing. This is going beyond that. I mean, I mean, at this point,

00:10:32.500 the reaction to this particular advertisement has, has literally, as I just said, included former

00:10:38.060 Obama and former Biden staffers, because the relevant metric is not whether you support Donald

00:10:42.100 Trump. It's not whether you support Steve Bannon. It's not whether you're part of the war room posse.

00:10:46.620 It's not whether you voted for a certain political candidate. It's nothing to do with that.

00:10:49.860 The relevant metric as to whether or not you look at this ad with appreciation or on the contrary,

00:10:56.040 something closely approximating visceral disgust and utter and complete contempt.

00:11:00.740 The relevant metric is whether you have any moral fiber in your, in your being whatsoever.

00:11:05.720 And frankly, if you have more than one brain cell between the two ears, because again,

00:11:09.700 there are just some lines that you do not cross. Now, look, Benjamin, I, I'm a fairly right wing guy.

00:11:15.640 I have obviously always despised the Lincoln project essentially since day one when they first

00:11:21.480 formed. This was, I mean, they formed many years ago. It wasn't entirely obvious what at the very

00:11:26.100 beginning, what they were going to become. But within like weeks or months, it rapidly became

00:11:30.140 clear that they were going to become a visceral way over the top outfit. And like I said, John Weaver,

00:11:36.180 who's been involved with Lincoln project for a very long, long time has a sad and scandalous history

00:11:41.800 of trying to slide in, into the direct messages of other men. And they, they, they, they've been

00:11:46.940 associated with all sorts of allegations of pedophilia. I mean, this is a, a, a, a sordid,

00:11:52.320 sordid organization. So this is, this has not surprised me at all that an organization that again,

00:11:57.900 has a history with John Weaver of pedophilia and sliding into other men's DMS like that in social

00:12:04.180 media. I'm not surprised that we went from this to making light of rape. I mean, you can connect

00:12:08.740 the dots there fairly easily, I guess the point that I'm trying to make there, but yes, I guess

00:12:13.600 if there are some people out there who were not previously familiar with the Lincoln project and

00:12:18.040 this, you know, God forbid is your, is your first exposure to this horrific organization, then I have

00:12:23.260 to think that whatever shred of remaining credibility you, you might have, which you shouldn't

00:12:28.840 have had in the first place, but whatever shred of credibility you might've had left for these guys,

00:12:32.160 I think after this, it has to just totally vanish and go away.

00:12:37.060 Well, you know, one can certainly hope that that's the case. But, you know, I, I looked at this,

00:12:44.480 I literally couldn't believe it when I saw this video, sort of, as I say, salivate, these, these

00:12:51.140 haters salivating at the idea that Stephen K. Bannon, one of the greatest American patriots of his age,

00:12:58.900 in what the Washington Times editorial has called a political prisoner, that a man who, in obedience

00:13:08.220 to his lawyers and to President Donald J. Trump, was sent to prison, right, for, for, for, for not

00:13:15.900 obeying a subpoena of an invalidly constituted committee, an inquiry. And here these people are

00:13:24.500 salivating at the idea, the people who've not stopped presuming that they have the moral high

00:13:31.480 grant salivating at the idea that the greatest, one of the greatest American patriots of his age 0.93

00:13:38.200 is going to be raped in prison by other convicts. And that they think this is abusing, and that they 0.91

00:13:45.320 can all get together and laugh about it. It is absolutely outrageous. And I hope, my hope is that people

00:13:50.580 watching this, Josh, people seeing this video, and I'm talking about the Lincoln Project's video,

00:13:55.460 but also people watching the show right now, and because we have people from all sides of the

00:14:00.520 political spectrum following the war. I hope that people will see this, this, this production of

00:14:07.600 theirs, and realize that this article, this outfit, that has not stopped fundraising money in order to

00:14:16.060 attack Donald J. Trump, is nothing more than a grifting operation, an immoral, disreputable,

00:14:26.320 disgraceful, grifting operation. And as you say, there's a line here, that these people have

00:14:35.020 clearly walked over. And it just shows, I think, an indication of their narcissism,

00:14:43.980 that they weren't able to see this before they produced this and pushed it out. And they are

00:14:51.580 narcissists. Josh, please stand by. We'll two minutes wait, and then we'll come back and discuss your

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00:16:26.100 Back with Josh Hammer, opinion editor of Newsweek, now here on The War Room. Josh, what I liked about

00:16:33.720 your article here is that it's not participating in the pretense that the rest of the world's

00:16:42.860 mainstream media is indulging in, which is saying, oh, we had no idea. We had no idea that Joe Biden

00:16:50.180 had declined so much. We're surprised, shocked, as Claude Rains would have done it in Casablanca,

00:16:56.780 shocked, shocked that Joe Biden has declined so much. Your article just rips this apart and exposes it

00:17:05.920 for what it is, which is lies plus gaslighting. Do you want to say a bit about how you came to this?

00:17:14.620 Because this is 100% correct, but this is not what the mainstream media, this is not their official

00:17:22.480 approved and sanctioned line, is it? You strayed somewhat from the quiet on this, and I think very

00:17:29.900 courageously too. Do you want to say a bit about how you put this together?

00:17:35.620 Sure, yeah. So look, I mean, I work for Newsweek, which is obviously a mainstream media company,

00:17:40.400 but I myself am a very conservative guy. But I call it like I see it at every column that I write.

00:17:45.520 In this particular case, what you've seen, Benjamin, over the past week since the catastrophe heard

00:17:52.200 around the world in Joe Biden's octogenarian doddering, going to keel over and die performance

00:17:58.240 last Thursday in Atlanta, Georgia during the debate. What you've seen is the media pull this

00:18:03.080 180. You know, if you go back as recently as two weeks ago, a week and a half, two weeks ago,

00:18:09.040 you will find New York Times articles calling these videos of Joe Biden staring off into outer space,

00:18:16.000 of wandering off, of him just freezing. They said it was misleading. They said these videos were

00:18:20.920 cheap fakes. And then literally as soon as Jake Tapper and Dana Bash finished that debate last Thursday

00:18:27.340 night and CNN, it all, they pulled a 180 on us immediately. You know, CNN, Van Jones, MSNBC,

00:18:34.980 Rachel Maddow, New York Times editorial board, Washington Post editorial board,

00:18:38.820 they immediately flipped a switch and they went all in. The New York Times started pumping out

00:18:43.620 daily, multiple times a day pieces saying, you know what? The signs of Joe Biden declining

00:18:48.540 actually are pretty frequent and are pretty obvious. Just yesterday, on July 4th, you had this

00:18:54.220 long article that I read and I thought it was actually very good by Olivia Nuzzi, who I think

00:18:59.580 is a liberal writing for New York Magazine about the fact that every conversation that she has had

00:19:05.080 since January with activists, officials, donors within the Democratic Party orbit, all of this

00:19:10.640 has led her to one conclusion, which is that everyone here is involved in a coverup. So you're starting

00:19:15.700 now not just to see the media just pull a 180 degree term, you're starting to see the coverup exposed.

00:19:22.860 And the point of this column that I wrote today, they lied to you. The point of this column is

00:19:27.320 just to say in as blunt and straightforward as fashion as possible. There have been a lot of

00:19:32.440 lies in American history. There have been a lot of lies since the Donald Trump presidency in 2016,

00:19:37.920 the Russia collusion delusion, a lot of COVID-19, Anthony Fauci, vaccine, masking related lies.

00:19:44.260 I wouldn't even know where to stop. But from my perspective, I actually genuinely honest to God

00:19:50.180 think that this is the single greatest lie and single greatest years long extensive gaslighting

00:19:56.420 operation in the history of the United States. Because for years now, those of us on the right

00:20:01.780 who've been pointing out the obvious, that Joe Biden is in the throes of a palpable, palpable

00:20:07.660 senescence, that he has his mental and physical faculties declining right before our eyes.

00:20:12.620 You know, my column two years ago, July 2022, said this. I said very clearly, there is something

00:20:18.360 very, very clearly wrong with the president of the United States. And with some very, very rare

00:20:23.980 exceptions, there actually were some very rare, intellectually honest, even liberal journalists,

00:20:28.900 Michelle Goldberg at the New York Times, David Ignatius, the Washington Post. They are very rare.

00:20:33.660 The norm, the norm from the media and certainly from the Biden administration,

00:20:37.880 from Jen Psaki and then Kareem Jean-Pierre and from Biden himself. The norm has been to say,

00:20:42.660 shut up. You are an idiot. This is just old Uncle Joe, hardscrabble Joe from Scranton, 1.00

00:20:48.520 Pennsylvania. He's just doing what he does best. How dare you? Are you an ageist? Do you harbor

00:20:53.100 bigotry against people who are in their 80s or whatever? They basically said that we were kooks and

00:20:57.500 to just shut up and take it. And now in the aftermath of their lie and their gaslighting operation

00:21:02.300 being exposed before the world last Thursday night, now they are forced. They are forced to either

00:21:07.280 admit the obvious, which is what Olivia Newsy of New York Magazine is doing, or to just plead 1.00

00:21:12.400 ignorance, as you said, and say, oh, we actually didn't know. We were kept in the dark. But that

00:21:16.240 doesn't work because, as I said, the dam is starting to break. You're starting to have these

00:21:20.120 pieces written now by liberal journalists inside the cordon sanitaire, where they are basically

00:21:26.920 saying, OK, well, you know what? Now it's fair game to get it out there. And it just stinks to high

00:21:32.300 heaven, Benjamin. I don't really know how to say it stinks to high heaven, because this is the fate

00:21:36.920 of the United States of America that these people are playing with fire with. We are not talking

00:21:42.280 about here the fate of a small state like Delaware, Joe Biden's home state. We are talking about the

00:21:47.380 fate of the greatest country in the world, a country that once upon a time commanded a presence

00:21:54.720 on the world stage. And now during this presidency with this clearly addle-brained octogenarian

00:21:59.600 president, you've seen Hamas go into Israel. You've seen, obviously, Russia, the Ukraine situation.

00:22:05.100 Looks like Xi Jinping is probably going to take Taiwan any day now at this point, if I had to

00:22:08.880 guess. Where does it stop? I mean, our enemies know that they are dealing with a corpse in the

00:22:13.180 White House. And, you know, I guess I'll end on this note. The media does all this, perhaps most

00:22:18.260 ironically, Benjamin. They do it in the name of our democracy, because there is nothing more

00:22:23.940 democratic than hiding from the American people your job as the fourth estate to actually present an

00:22:30.420 authentic picture of the commander in chief. Because there's nothing more democratic, I guess,

00:22:34.660 than hiding from the American people who is actually running the country. Because Lord knows

00:22:39.080 it's not Joe Biden. I've said all along, I think it's Barack Obama personally. But we don't know who

00:22:43.340 it is. The Washington Post tagline is democracy dies in darkness. They put that in there in February

00:22:48.320 2017, a couple of weeks after Trump was sworn in, democracy dies in darkness. Well, how about the fact

00:22:54.020 that the republic dies in darkness when we don't even know who has his hands on the nuclear football? So

00:22:58.120 it's just appalling and disgusting stuff. Yeah, I mean, you have WAPOs, the democracy dies in 0.93

00:23:05.060 darkness. How about this? Because they knew and they've been lying as well, just like everyone

00:23:08.840 else. How about this, WAPO? Democracy dies in darkness, credibility dies in the Washington Post.

00:23:16.440 How about that as a new tagline for them? Because they, you know, I don't see how you just take the

00:23:23.000 moral high ground. Your democracy dies in darkness, high ground, and deliberately keep the American

00:23:30.440 people in the dark with regards to Joe Biden's mental state. Again, hypocrisy. Denver, I wonder 0.99

00:23:37.380 if you very kindly just play while I'm talking to Josh, the clip that you have about Joe Biden.

00:23:45.960 Um, if you have that, do you have that? They don't have that. Okay. They don't have it. Um,

00:23:56.440 I, okay. It's, it's Joe Biden basically saying he's the first, let me pull this up saying that

00:24:02.300 he's the, um, the first, yeah, you got it. Joe Biden here saying that he's the first black woman

00:24:13.820 to serve with a black president, right? Joe Biden saying that he's the first black woman to serve 0.99

00:24:23.260 with a black president. Um, how do you, how, right? How do you even make that kind of mistake? 0.97

00:24:36.180 Yeah. I, I mean, every, every, every single adjective is wrong there, right? And every single

00:24:45.740 adjective, every single noun in that is wrong. He's the first black woman to serve with a black

00:24:52.340 president. Um, look, it's America, right? In America, you can be whatever you want to be.

00:24:58.540 That's fine. Okay. But that is someone who has basically zero correlation with reality.

00:25:06.880 This is the guy with the nuclear football. This is the guy with the hands,

00:25:11.240 hand, his finger on the button. And this is the guy that the white house,

00:25:16.900 green, Jean-Pierre, and all the commentators, morning psycho and all the morning meek and all

00:25:23.580 the commentators have been telling us day after day is absolutely compass mentis. And as you say,

00:25:30.780 it's been a lie. It is a lie. It's been a lie. And it is gaslight at this stage. It's gaslighting.

00:25:35.980 Josh, we've got a break in two minutes. I'd be very grateful if you just stay on and just for a

00:25:41.760 moment till after the break. Um, I want to ask you a question because there are diverging opinions

00:25:47.500 on this one. Um, it will get your answer after the break. Um, I believe not everyone does. I believe

00:25:54.300 that the, uh, whoever was responsible for pushing within the democratic party for pushing the debate

00:26:01.740 so early did unprecedentedly early did so because they knew that Joe wasn't going to be able to,

00:26:09.740 to handle it, to cope. Um, and they pushed that as a means to, to get rid of him, to get him out.

00:26:19.260 Um, not everyone thinks that some people think it was like an accident or coincidence. Um,

00:26:24.620 I think it was definitely organized by someone, uh, very close to power, obviously, um, in either in

00:26:32.220 the DNC or perhaps, um, in the direction of the vice president. I don't know. Um, but I'd like to

00:26:40.300 know, um, if you could do in a minute before the break, what do you think about this? Do you think

00:26:44.940 that what we're watching now is, is, um, is, is basically theater that this has been planned,

00:26:52.620 that this debate that we're having right now is to some extent, uh, has been planned and forced

00:26:57.980 by somebody for a specific end. So I, I have a lot of friends who think exactly what you just said.

00:27:05.980 So I, after the debate, my, my phone was inundated with text messages from friends basically saying

00:27:11.340 exactly that, that this was the, this was the plan all along. You can convince him to step aside,

00:27:15.820 therefore make him embarrass himself there. I, I, I'm skeptical for two reasons. One is that if you go

00:27:21.500 back, it was actually Joe Biden himself who put out that video back in April. I think it was

00:27:26.700 challenging Trump to this debate. Now, maybe he was forced to do it. Maybe they kind of put a gun

00:27:30.620 to his head and did it. Okay. That's possible. But the, the, the more structural problem is that 0.99

00:27:37.100 this is very, very difficult to pull off the switcheroo to actually switch out the horse at

00:27:42.300 the top of the ticket at this point. So I actually discussed this on my show, the Josh Hammer show

00:27:46.780 this week with Trey trainer, who was a Republican commissioner on the federal election commission.

00:27:51.420 There are campaign finance and legal obstacles that are very difficult at this point. Maybe,

00:27:55.020 maybe we can pick that up on, on the other side of the break, actually.

00:27:58.140 Yeah, we'll pick that up on the other side of the break. And even though, as you say,

00:28:01.580 it is difficult to affect this switcheroo from the democratic perspective, it's imperative that they

00:28:08.060 try because if they go into this election with a guy who's senile, they are going to lose against

00:28:13.900 Donald Trump. We'll be back after the break.

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00:28:43.820 event that could elevate this governmental surveillance to a terrifying new level. In fact,

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00:29:00.540 buy firearms, or even vote MAGA, the government may be able to shut us out of our bank accounts.

00:29:07.020 I can't say for sure if this will happen, but it's an interesting and dire warning. Fortunately,

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00:29:18.060 what he believes is coming and how to protect yourself from the possibility of programmable

00:29:24.620 money. Watch Jim's warning video now before it's censored like I've been in the past.

00:29:30.620 Go to rickardswarroom.com. That's rickardswarroom.com. Now to see the video.

00:29:37.100 Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.

00:29:45.500 Harnwell here at the helm filling in for Stephen K. Bannon, here with Josh Hammer discussing the web of

00:29:53.660 lies, the institutional web of lies that has been covering for a man who is clearly President of the

00:29:59.740 United States Commander-in-Chief, a man who is clearly no longer in full position of his mental

00:30:08.140 faculties. Josh, I was saying before the break, and I'm absolutely convinced of this, absolutely

00:30:13.740 convinced of this, this is a theatre, what we're seeing now. This is part of a plan

00:30:20.460 on behalf of the Democratic Party. The Democratic Party is not a party of sentimentality. I often liken them

00:30:30.780 on my getter feed to having all the sentimentality as a pack of angry xenomorphs, if you know what a xenomorph

00:30:37.900 is. If you don't, Google. These are the Democrats, right? They're not a sentimental party. They know, as

00:30:46.140 Steve would say, as short as the turning of the air, that if they presented Donald, Joe Biden,

00:30:53.580 as their nominee on the 5th of November against Donald Trump, they will lose. They know this,

00:30:59.100 right? So as difficult as it is, you've got financial reasons to do with campaign and all

00:31:05.580 those issues. Those are secondary. For the Democrats, they're secondary. And I tell you one of the reasons

00:31:12.620 why, and I'll ask for your reaction to this, right? One of the reasons that you can detect, I think,

00:31:19.500 that this is planned, as you said just before the break yourself, against this possibility,

00:31:27.580 because the candidate himself won't stand down, is the fact that you now have key donors. I think

00:31:33.900 Abigail Disney this morning said that she's instructing, she's not going to donate. And you

00:31:40.780 have calls now. James Cardinal, for example, said that finance donations should be ceased to all

00:31:50.060 politicians in the Democratic Party that are still supporting Joe Biden. The fact that they now put

00:31:55.580 their money on their foot on the money pipe, I think, shows that they're serious. They are serious.

00:32:01.980 They cannot go into November the 5th with Joe Biden. And that's why I think this whole thing was

00:32:07.740 brought forward to June, July to give them the running time to affect, as you call it, the switcheroo.

00:32:16.540 Well, let me just offer one other possible way to look at this, though. Because two nights ago at

00:32:22.140 the White House, you had a bunch of Democrat governors who flew in to meet with Joe Biden in

00:32:26.220 person. Gavin Newsom flew in from California, Gretchen Whitmer from Michigan, Daniel Malloy from

00:32:30.300 Connecticut. A bunch of governors flew in. And if I understand correctly, Kathy Hochul from New York was 0.98

00:32:35.660 there. Most of the big Democrat governors were there at the White House two nights ago to meet

00:32:39.580 with the president face to face. Most of the rest of them zoomed in.

00:32:42.780 And while there were some hostile, not hostile, while there were some inquisitive questions,

00:32:47.340 probing questions asked of the president about his mental and physical condition,

00:32:51.980 after that meeting was over, you had this conference outside where the Democratic governors

00:32:56.380 basically stood up, ducks lined in a row, and said, we're with the president, he is running.

00:33:00.700 Which is a very different message than we're starting to get from some House Democrats.

00:33:04.380 There have not been two House Democrats who have come out and say, get this guy out.

00:33:08.860 And we know that there's far more than two that think that.

00:33:12.220 But you're even starting to see within the Democratic elected official class,

00:33:16.060 something of a divide between the governors and the congressmen.

00:33:19.020 Now, the more cynical approach, and when we talk about Democratic politics,

00:33:21.820 typically the more cynical, the more accurate, the better.

00:33:24.060 The more cynical view as to what the Democratic governors are doing is they want Joe Biden to

00:33:30.380 stay there so that Kamala Harris does not go in and then become the presumptive nominee in 2028 1.00

00:33:35.260 after she loses in 2024. So you want Gavin Newsom and Kathy Hochul and Gretchen Whitmer to basically

00:33:41.420 throw Joe Biden to the wolves and therefore leave 2028 open. I think that's basically the calculus

00:33:46.700 there. It's deeply cynical, but they're still doing it. They're still playing along right now.

00:33:50.620 Now, to your point, yes, you've had some major donors there. I saw the Disney thing. You have

00:33:56.140 what's named Reed Hoffman, the Netflix co-founder who's also calling for Biden to step aside.

00:34:01.020 So you have some major donor pressure right now. But a week after what happened,

00:34:06.940 it's still not unanimous. I would have expected it to be even more unanimous at this point.

00:34:12.380 They're really running out of time. I mean, Democrats don't play by the rules.

00:34:15.820 They don't really care about the law. They act, they shoot, they ask questions later.

00:34:20.140 But the closer and closer we get to their convention, every state has their ballot

00:34:24.940 deadline on the campaign finance issue. Who gets the money? Does it go back to the DNC?

00:34:29.100 Does it revert to the donors? I just don't know. So I'm not as convinced that it's purely theater,

00:34:35.500 but I do think that it is a viable and highly plausible theory.

00:34:38.380 I just want to, in the four or so, three or four minutes we've got left with you,

00:34:44.620 because I know you're going to bounce. I just want to mention this point, this observation.

00:34:50.220 It has been somewhat ironic, I think, and badly thought through on behalf of the first family,

00:34:56.460 that they were pushing out to the press quite heavily, that they were dissatisfied with Biden's

00:35:02.300 advisers. And I'll tell you why I think it's fundamentally counterproductive.

00:35:07.180 Because the takeaway of the debate is that Biden is not in possession of himself,

00:35:15.020 of his awareness, of his situational awareness. And the suggestion is, therefore, that if he's not

00:35:23.260 running the White House, who is? And the family have come in, Jill, Hunter especially,

00:35:29.900 have now have come in. They've been pushing out the press. It's all the fault of the advisors

00:35:35.260 for pushing Biden too much, when they should have given him a bit of a break. I think,

00:35:41.820 this is why I think it's an own goal, that particular line. They're basically affirming

00:35:46.060 the principle position, the position, in making that argument, they are affirming the veracity of

00:35:52.780 the most substantial argument against the continuation of Joe Biden's presidency, that he doesn't have the

00:35:58.860 force of will to act in what he thinks, as he's the guy who's been elected by the American public.

00:36:05.260 He hasn't got the force of will to resist against his advisers and those around him.

00:36:10.620 And they've basically confirmed that suggestion by saying that he was pushed too hard by his advisers

00:36:17.820 in the week-long Camp David prep before the debate. I mean, what do you think on that?

00:36:26.940 Yeah, I mean, that all does make sense to me. I mean, look, there are not enough bad things that

00:36:32.860 you can possibly say about Jill Biden right now, so-called Dr. Jill Biden. What a wretched harridan. 1.00

00:36:40.860 I mean, what an absolute abominable human being we are dealing with here. I mean, 1.00

00:36:47.420 I cannot possibly say enough terrible things about Jill Biden specifically.

00:36:52.780 And the reason that I am being so harsh on her is because she is obviously the reason that,

00:36:58.460 not just the Democratic Party, because I frankly couldn't care less about them,

00:37:01.660 but she is obviously the reason that the country is in this state in the first place.

00:37:06.380 Joe Biden, I mean, call her Lady Macbeth, I guess, if you will. I don't know what exactly it is. I

00:37:12.620 guess just the reins of power are just that intoxicating. But she obviously, palpably, 0.64

00:37:17.660 is the one who has been encouraging Joe Biden all along to not step down. She is obviously the one

00:37:23.100 who has been pushing him over this past week. Joe, put on the blinders. Ignore the New York Times.

00:37:28.620 Ignore the Washington Post. Ignore all the skeptics. Just keep on doing you, Joe. Just stay in there.

00:37:34.220 I don't claim to know what she wants. Like I said, I suspect that it's just power being intoxicated in

00:37:39.820 the same way that power has been intoxicating for men who govern other men for thousands and

00:37:44.460 thousands of years. But if you don't have any patriotism, Jill, in your body, which you probably

00:37:50.540 don't, surely you at least care about your husband. I mean, how can a wife actually go to sleep at night 1.00

00:37:57.580 after throwing her husband out to the wolves like that and humiliating himself in front of the entire

00:38:02.940 world? It's just, it's unconscionable. As a recently married man myself, I could never

00:38:08.060 think about putting my life partner in that position. Horrible stuff.

00:38:11.260 Well, look, you know, Lady McBiden, okay, right? In addition to all the arguments

00:38:19.820 you've just raised against her, these people, their whole shtick is supposed to be that Donald Trump

00:38:26.700 represents an existential threat to the, um, to the democracy and the law and order of the United

00:38:34.940 States and around the world, right? This has been their shtick since he descended down the golden

00:38:39.500 escalator. And yet it is more important for Lady McBiden and Hunter. It is more important for them

00:38:47.260 that, and in Hunter's case, it probably is more important on a, on an almost existential level

00:38:53.100 that his father does remain in the white house, but he is going to lose. Joe Biden is going to lose

00:38:58.300 against Donald Trump. And it is interesting that against all the, all the, all the, um, the propaganda

00:39:05.260 that Donald Trump is so bad, you know, he's a dictator and all the rest of it, but the, that they're still

00:39:11.100 going to run a guy against him that they know will lose and let in what they claim to be, uh,

00:39:17.260 the worst possible fate for the United States. I think it just exposes, as you said in your article,

00:39:22.060 the lies behind the whole regime. Josh Hammer, thanks very much for coming on the show today. How can, uh,

00:39:28.620 people can stay in touch up to date with your, your great writing? Yeah, thanks so much for having me.

00:39:35.260 So I host two shows, the Josh Hammer show and America on trial with Josh Hammer, which are both

00:39:40.380 available everywhere. You get your podcasts. I write a weekly syndicated column that goes up

00:39:43.820 in Newsweek and a bunch of other right of center websites. And then I'm on Twitter X,

00:39:48.780 whatever we're calling it these days at Josh underscore hammer and also on Instagram at Josh

00:39:53.340 B hammer as well. Josh, thanks man. Thanks very much for coming on the show. Take care. God bless.

00:39:59.820 God bless you. Thank you. Um, I just want to take a quick moment now. Um, I was talking to Grace

00:40:06.460 Tron last night, war room CFO and, and to Cameron again yesterday about the live chat.

00:40:15.020 Uh, and I just want to give a shout out to all the great folks who follow the war room

00:40:21.260 on the live chat. Get ready with your heart emojis, folks. Sometimes on the getter account,

00:40:28.060 um, the war room getter, I will just tap in a quick hello to, to, to, to, to the, to the posse. Um,

00:40:36.620 but principally you've got shout out to the, to the live chat on war room on, on getter to the

00:40:47.260 channel on rumble to the telegram rumble telegram channel. I don't really understand telegram so much,

00:40:54.380 but, and to the RAV right great. Everyone's always telling me how great the live chat is on those

00:41:01.340 four. So, all right, get ready with your heart emojis. So I say this, love you guys. Thanks very

00:41:07.980 much for your support. Okay. That's supposed to be a heart. Oh, right. That's the, that's graphics for

00:41:15.020 you. Right. Um, we have Ben Burkram live from the palace of Westminster, which we can see there

00:41:23.180 in the background. Ben, welcome to the war room today from London. Uh, what are your first takeaways

00:41:30.300 from this historic day and the huge victory for Nigel Farage and reform UK movement that he started?

00:41:42.540 Well, it's great to be with you, Ben. Uh, this is, you know, it's the first time I've ever been

00:41:47.020 in England, uh, celebrating independence day, America's independence day. And, uh, there is

00:41:52.140 a lot to talk about a lot of, uh, connections between what we celebrate in America, what we

00:41:57.740 fought for in America, the liberties that we fought for, and now what we see being destroyed around the

00:42:02.300 world. And, and really what you have happening in England, you know, as, as we celebrate our

00:42:08.380 independence and we fight to save Liberty in America, uh, we're seeing that destroyed from within

00:42:13.100 by the enemies that our founders warned us about the same thing is happening in England. It's the

00:42:17.820 same enemies within and the last beachhead, if you will, that last, uh, uh, hope for England right 0.99

00:42:25.260 now is Nigel Farage is the reform party and a huge win for Nigel yesterday. Uh, the, you know,

00:42:31.660 I was there with him at the watch party. We're there till five in the morning this morning. Then we drove

00:42:35.340 from Clacton on sea over here to London. So we're running on very few hours of sleep, uh, night or Raheem

00:42:40.940 Kassam is with me. Uh, he had to break away for a few minutes, but, uh, got the first exclusive

00:42:45.740 interview with Nigel last night. So big things coming. One thing to consider it's, it's only

00:42:50.540 four, they only have four seats. Now they're still fighting for one other in Essex, but, uh, the,

00:42:55.260 what's crazy about this, Ben is the, the, the results, the numbers that came out of this,

00:43:01.340 when you compare the labor party who received 34% of the overall vote, but now have 64% of the actual

00:43:09.180 seats compared to reform, which received 14% of the overall vote and only received less than 1%

00:43:16.780 of the, the seats. Uh, it's, it's clearly a place for, uh, proportional representation. There's a lot

00:43:22.380 to talk about there, but, uh, it's just, it's, it's an amazing time to be here and the connections

00:43:26.940 between America are very, very stark. Ben, thanks. Standby. We'll be back in 90 seconds after this quick

00:43:33.580 late. Here's your host, Stephen K.

00:43:43.980 Welcome back on the show. Um, let's go quickly live to Ben Burkram in London, outside the British 0.63

00:43:51.580 House of Parliament. Ben, you've got about three or four minutes now. Can you just sort of, um,

00:43:56.780 three minutes? Can you just, uh, tell me from your perspective here in the campaign and talking to

00:44:03.180 people out there, how strong is the emotional connection now between the British people and Nigel

00:44:09.900 Farage? And is the underlying, um, which is present everywhere, the underlying issue against immigration

00:44:17.980 that you're seeing in the United States, is this a big part of what we saw, um, in, in, in the UK

00:44:24.940 yesterday, uh, at the general election? Is it part of the same movement that we're talking about every

00:44:30.460 day? Yeah. First off, the vote yesterday wasn't a referendum in favor of labor. It was really a

00:44:37.020 referendum against the conservative, the Tories. And if any, there was any clear victor outside of the,

00:44:43.420 the labor party, which I think is going to, uh, defeat itself in the end, it was Nigel Farage and

00:44:49.340 the reform party. And this is this railhead, this beachhead, uh, whatever you want to call it,

00:44:53.500 is that first step in a five-year plan that they have. And there's no question about it.

00:44:58.220 The general average population in England are sick of politics as a whole. They were sick of the

00:45:03.340 conservatives. They were sick of the labor. And, and now Nigel is, is showing that third option

00:45:08.700 for the people. So that's yet to be seen, but they're in development. Big things are coming

00:45:13.020 from the Nigel team, from the reform team. And yes, it all goes back to illegal immigration,

00:45:17.580 the dismal failure that the Tories did when it comes to both illegal immigration and legal

00:45:23.260 immigration, inviting in over 2 million legal immigrants to take the jobs of the English people. 0.86

00:45:28.620 That, the, the, the English people were sick of it. Now, what's sad is it's going to get worse 0.96

00:45:32.780 under the labor government, which again becomes an opportunity for reform and Nigel. Bottom line,

00:45:38.380 though, in all of this is it all connects back. We're heading to France tomorrow. We're going to be

00:45:41.980 covering the elections there as the pendulum swings back to Le Pen and the, the, the conservatives,

00:45:47.260 the national populace over there. It's the same thing we're seeing in America. And ultimately it

00:45:51.580 comes down to the people of every one of these countries. Will we be free countries or will we be

00:45:56.700 countries run by, by tyrants who want to destroy us from within? That's the battle that every country

00:46:02.060 faces right now. And, and it is, as we cover illegal immigration in America, it is the number one issue

00:46:08.220 everywhere I go in the Western world. And that's why they're trying to tear down

00:46:11.820 President Trump. That's why they're trying to tear down Nigel Farage. That's why they have our very

00:46:15.820 own Steve Bannon locked up as a political prisoner right now. It's all connected and it's up to this

00:46:21.180 generation in particular, this year of voters to save the nations of the world. Ben, thanks very

00:46:28.140 much. I know exactly where you're standing. Cause I used to work at the House of Commons 25 or so years

00:46:33.980 ago. You're standing to your left is Westminster Abbey, right? Is that right? That's correct.

00:46:40.300 Yeah, straight over here. That's right. Beautiful building. Beautiful, beautiful,

00:46:44.300 historic building, uh, the emotional heart of Christianity, um, in, in the UK. Ben,

00:46:51.580 thanks very much for coming today. I won't keep you. I know you've got to prepare your travels.

00:46:55.420 Bon voyage, as they say in France, in your, your journey tomorrow. And we'll catch up with, um,

00:47:00.940 we'll catch up with you tomorrow from, from France. Ben, thanks very much.

00:47:04.220 Sounds good. Thanks. Thanks, Ben. God bless. God bless. Um, look, I just want to make a quick

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00:50:43.740 um, would have been Burkram and Rahim from France. This is a historic day today.

00:50:49.740 A new political party in the UK has taken, I think some 14 and a half percent nationally,

00:50:55.020 uh, led by the great Nigel Farage. This news is coming in. Archbishop Viganò has been excommunicated.

00:51:03.420 We'll be breaking that by the Vatican, by Pope Francis. We'll be breaking that down

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Bannon's War Room - July 05, 2024

Episode 3735： The White House Is Gaslighting The American People

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