Episode 3735： The White House Is Gaslighting The American People
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Ben Shapiro joins The War Room with Stephen K. Van Zandt and Josh Hammer to discuss the Lincoln Project's new anti-Trump ad, and the fallout from it. Plus, a special guest appearance from Ben Shapiro.
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out there. Let's that is what you call. Are you ready for it? You ready? Because I know we don't
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have it here in the United States. You have no idea what it's what it's called. That's called
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a peaceful transfer of power. Actually, that's what we had in the United States of America
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from the late 1700s until the year 2020 when Donald Trump refused to do it.
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See, it's better that way. It's better that way because you actually let the voters decide.
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And that's what democracies, constitutional republics are all about.
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This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going
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medieval on these people. I got a free shot. All these networks lying about the people. The people
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have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you've tried to do everything
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in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen.
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And where do people like that go to share the big lie? MAGA media. I wish in my soul, I wish
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Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country,
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Josh Hammer from Newsweek is with us today to break down an article that we check out.
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I check Newsweek basically every day. There was an interesting article today about the – yesterday,
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excuse me – about this Lincoln Project video, which treated, in quite appalling terms, Steve.
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And I sort of – it's created – in fact, it appears that the Lincoln Project has really overstepped
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the bounds of decency, even within GOP quarters that don't like the war and that don't like
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Bagger, don't like Steve. Could you just say a bit for us, please, Josh, about what
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Lincoln Project did here and the fallout that Newsweek has reported on? Thanks.
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Yeah, sure. So it's great to meet you, Ben. Great to join The War Room, as always, obviously.
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Look, the Lincoln Project, I mean, what is there to say that hasn't already been said? This is a
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disgusting outfit of slobbering, anti-Trump, slothful people. I mean, this is an organization
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that has been filled with scandalous pedophilia, if I can just be so blunt. For many years now,
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John Weaver, mainly the people that have been closely affiliated with the Lincoln Project,
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have been involved in an extraordinarily scandalous and outrageous behavior. So this disgusting video
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that they put out about Steve Bannon in prison is hardly something that I am particularly surprised
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by. So just to make sure that we're on the same page so that the War Room viewers can understand what
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you and I are talking about, if they haven't seen it, they basically, this is the Lincoln Project,
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the vehemently anti-Trump organization. It was started by disaffected former Republican operatives.
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As I've said, they've been involved in all sorts of scandalous affairs over the years. This is a
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highly, highly disreputable outfit, would I think be a charitable way of saying it. I have far less
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charitable, more colorful things to say, perhaps off camera. So in any event, they created this new
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advertisement, not just mocking Steve Bannon, but essentially taunting him and saying that they hope
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that he gets raped in prison. If I understand the ad, I'm pretty sure that's what they're saying
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there. And if there are any boundaries, if there are any boundaries or any sense of ethics or anything
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remotely approximating ethics when it comes to politics in the year 2024, this is over that line.
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I wouldn't say that. Benjamin, I would not wish my worst political enemies to be raped. I would
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never in a million years think that or let alone produce a video to that effect against Nancy Pelosi,
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Chuck Schumer, Joe Biden, Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, John Podesta, you name it. None of these
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people. I mean, there are some lines. There are some lines that you simply do not cross. And the whole
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point of the news folks in Newsweek who wrote up a little article about this was just to highlight
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that there was across the political spectrum backlash against this, not just from the anti-Trump
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wing, but also from the pro-Trump wing, but everyone. And no one seemed to like this ad. The
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Lincoln product has seemed to simultaneously pull off the impossible, which is to basically unite
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everyone against you, to which I say, okay, that's actually a good reality check, frankly.
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It's interesting, isn't it, Josh, how, and I think Burma did a similar stand-up gag against
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Donald Trump about him, the idea, the possibility that even President Trump might be raped in prison.
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It's worth taking a step back that the progressives who have dominated the conversation over recent
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years with all sort of, um, with LGBTQ, um, uh, correctness, political correctness, at the first
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drop of a hat, when it comes to the possibility of discrediting MAGA's political leadership,
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they go straight in to the male rape jokes as if this is something that's amusing and everyone
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can line up behind and laugh at. That is a slight contradiction, I think, there. I definitely think
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these libs should be pulled up on, on, on, on what is effectively hypocrisy on that front. I don't
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know what you say to that. Yeah. I mean, I, I, again, I think hypocrisy at a bare minimum. I mean,
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this is just at a visceral human level disgusting though. I mean, like I said, you know, I, I tend
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towards a more combative and pugnacious approach toward our, our domestic politics. I mean, I think
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that ultimately our, our cold roiling civil war here in the United States ultimately ends with one side
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winning and the other side of losing. And I, you know, I pray to God that it, that it is my side.
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So, so I do not necessarily view my political opposition with, with, with, with a particularly
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favorable light, let alone what has happened over the past few years with this great coverup,
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this great lie when it comes to Joe Biden's declining faculties and all that. So I, I harbor
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an immense disdain for my political opposition, but like I said, I would never in a million years
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wish that they be sent to prison on nonsensical charges and then to be raped in prison. I mean,
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again, there were, there were just some lines that you don't cross into your point, Benjamin about
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hypocrisy. Yeah. Well, these are the, these are the same people that tend towards being overly
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faux moralistic, that tend towards a holier than thou posture. They're the ones who, who are yelling at
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us for flying our planes while they're simultaneously flying their private G sevens to these environmentalist
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confabs and oil producing countries like the UAE and Qatar and so forth. I mean, the, to say that
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these people have no sense of shame and are just completely inundated in a, in a roiling hypocrisy
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would be, would be an incredible understatement. They're the prototypical limousine liberals,
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the Los Angeles, San Francisco socialists and whatnot there who live in gated communities while they want
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to defund the police who have private security while they want to strip you of your second amendment
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right to keep and bear arms. So they think that they are holier than thou. While on the other hand,
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they are openly clamoring and hoping that their political opposition, not just loses the ballot box,
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but actually gets raped. That says everything you need to know about the moral caliber or lack thereof
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of these people. Now, Josh, you mentioned just now this, the fact that they lied to us. And we're
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going to kick that after the break, uh, cause that's a very important article that you've just put
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out. Um, a really substantial article, which says up clear that the democratic establishment from,
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for, for basically from the get go about room on discussions to do with Biden's mental capacity,
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they have been lying. Um, and I will add parenthetically gaslighting as well. I will break
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down your article. However, after the break, I want to stay on this point, however, just for now
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on the, um, on the Lincoln projects, I think absolute revelations that these guys have no moral decency
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whatsoever. Um, and yet they have been pervading themselves, um, since the emergence of, of Donald
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Trump and raising a lot of money, by the way, doing so by assuming, um, presuming that they have the
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moral high ground, um, this ad that they paid, they spent donors money and they put an adverts
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together, which we were showing as you, as you were talking just a few moments ago, fantasizing,
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salivating over the fact that Steve Bannon, when he's in prison is going to get raped by other men.
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These are the people that have been combating, have been dominating the political discourse,
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Lincoln project within the GOP, stabbing MAGA in the back, stabbing Donald Trump in the back
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by portraying themselves as people who have the moral high ground. And it's totally fake and it's
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totally performative. This is where they are spending their donors money. I think it's absolutely
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outrageous. Um, and I, I'd like to ask you, Josh, and I'm very grateful that you've come on the show
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today to talk about this and, um, and, um, and your own article. Um, I just like to ask you whether
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you think this, the graphicness of this disgusting publicity that they assumed presumably that people
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would be lining up and applauding them and patting them on the back, whether this will have any permanent
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knock on consequences for, for, for, for, I think what, what is visibly now a shabby disreputable
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outfit. Well, I think the purpose of the Newsweek article, which, which wrote this up was to collect
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responses from really all across the political spectrum. I mean, you had former Obama, if I recall,
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even Biden staffers who I saw on social media come out and say, this is a step too far. Again,
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this is not just an, an intra Republican party, an intra conservative movement dispute between the
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pro Trump wing and the never Trump wing. This is going beyond that. I mean, I mean, at this point,
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the reaction to this particular advertisement has, has literally, as I just said, included former
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Obama and former Biden staffers, because the relevant metric is not whether you support Donald
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Trump. It's not whether you support Steve Bannon. It's not whether you're part of the war room posse.
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It's not whether you voted for a certain political candidate. It's nothing to do with that.
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The relevant metric as to whether or not you look at this ad with appreciation or on the contrary,
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something closely approximating visceral disgust and utter and complete contempt.
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The relevant metric is whether you have any moral fiber in your, in your being whatsoever.
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And frankly, if you have more than one brain cell between the two ears, because again,
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there are just some lines that you do not cross. Now, look, Benjamin, I, I'm a fairly right wing guy.
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I have obviously always despised the Lincoln project essentially since day one when they first
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formed. This was, I mean, they formed many years ago. It wasn't entirely obvious what at the very
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beginning, what they were going to become. But within like weeks or months, it rapidly became
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clear that they were going to become a visceral way over the top outfit. And like I said, John Weaver,
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who's been involved with Lincoln project for a very long, long time has a sad and scandalous history
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of trying to slide in, into the direct messages of other men. And they, they, they, they've been
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associated with all sorts of allegations of pedophilia. I mean, this is a, a, a, a sordid,
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sordid organization. So this is, this has not surprised me at all that an organization that again,
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has a history with John Weaver of pedophilia and sliding into other men's DMS like that in social
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media. I'm not surprised that we went from this to making light of rape. I mean, you can connect
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the dots there fairly easily, I guess the point that I'm trying to make there, but yes, I guess
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if there are some people out there who were not previously familiar with the Lincoln project and
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this, you know, God forbid is your, is your first exposure to this horrific organization, then I have
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to think that whatever shred of remaining credibility you, you might have, which you shouldn't
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have had in the first place, but whatever shred of credibility you might've had left for these guys,
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I think after this, it has to just totally vanish and go away.
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Well, you know, one can certainly hope that that's the case. But, you know, I, I looked at this,
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I literally couldn't believe it when I saw this video, sort of, as I say, salivate, these, these
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haters salivating at the idea that Stephen K. Bannon, one of the greatest American patriots of his age,
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in what the Washington Times editorial has called a political prisoner, that a man who, in obedience
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to his lawyers and to President Donald J. Trump, was sent to prison, right, for, for, for, for not
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obeying a subpoena of an invalidly constituted committee, an inquiry. And here these people are
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salivating at the idea, the people who've not stopped presuming that they have the moral high
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grant salivating at the idea that the greatest, one of the greatest American patriots of his age
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is going to be raped in prison by other convicts. And that they think this is abusing, and that they
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can all get together and laugh about it. It is absolutely outrageous. And I hope, my hope is that people
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watching this, Josh, people seeing this video, and I'm talking about the Lincoln Project's video,
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but also people watching the show right now, and because we have people from all sides of the
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political spectrum following the war. I hope that people will see this, this, this production of
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theirs, and realize that this article, this outfit, that has not stopped fundraising money in order to
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attack Donald J. Trump, is nothing more than a grifting operation, an immoral, disreputable,
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disgraceful, grifting operation. And as you say, there's a line here, that these people have
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clearly walked over. And it just shows, I think, an indication of their narcissism,
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that they weren't able to see this before they produced this and pushed it out. And they are
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Back with Josh Hammer, opinion editor of Newsweek, now here on The War Room. Josh, what I liked about
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your article here is that it's not participating in the pretense that the rest of the world's
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mainstream media is indulging in, which is saying, oh, we had no idea. We had no idea that Joe Biden
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had declined so much. We're surprised, shocked, as Claude Rains would have done it in Casablanca,
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shocked, shocked that Joe Biden has declined so much. Your article just rips this apart and exposes it
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for what it is, which is lies plus gaslighting. Do you want to say a bit about how you came to this?
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Because this is 100% correct, but this is not what the mainstream media, this is not their official
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approved and sanctioned line, is it? You strayed somewhat from the quiet on this, and I think very
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courageously too. Do you want to say a bit about how you put this together?
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Sure, yeah. So look, I mean, I work for Newsweek, which is obviously a mainstream media company,
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but I myself am a very conservative guy. But I call it like I see it at every column that I write.
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In this particular case, what you've seen, Benjamin, over the past week since the catastrophe heard
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around the world in Joe Biden's octogenarian doddering, going to keel over and die performance
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last Thursday in Atlanta, Georgia during the debate. What you've seen is the media pull this
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180. You know, if you go back as recently as two weeks ago, a week and a half, two weeks ago,
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you will find New York Times articles calling these videos of Joe Biden staring off into outer space,
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of wandering off, of him just freezing. They said it was misleading. They said these videos were
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cheap fakes. And then literally as soon as Jake Tapper and Dana Bash finished that debate last Thursday
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night and CNN, it all, they pulled a 180 on us immediately. You know, CNN, Van Jones, MSNBC,
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Rachel Maddow, New York Times editorial board, Washington Post editorial board,
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they immediately flipped a switch and they went all in. The New York Times started pumping out
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daily, multiple times a day pieces saying, you know what? The signs of Joe Biden declining
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actually are pretty frequent and are pretty obvious. Just yesterday, on July 4th, you had this
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long article that I read and I thought it was actually very good by Olivia Nuzzi, who I think
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is a liberal writing for New York Magazine about the fact that every conversation that she has had
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since January with activists, officials, donors within the Democratic Party orbit, all of this
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has led her to one conclusion, which is that everyone here is involved in a coverup. So you're starting
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now not just to see the media just pull a 180 degree term, you're starting to see the coverup exposed.
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And the point of this column that I wrote today, they lied to you. The point of this column is
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just to say in as blunt and straightforward as fashion as possible. There have been a lot of
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lies in American history. There have been a lot of lies since the Donald Trump presidency in 2016,
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the Russia collusion delusion, a lot of COVID-19, Anthony Fauci, vaccine, masking related lies.
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I wouldn't even know where to stop. But from my perspective, I actually genuinely honest to God
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think that this is the single greatest lie and single greatest years long extensive gaslighting
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operation in the history of the United States. Because for years now, those of us on the right
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who've been pointing out the obvious, that Joe Biden is in the throes of a palpable, palpable
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senescence, that he has his mental and physical faculties declining right before our eyes.
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You know, my column two years ago, July 2022, said this. I said very clearly, there is something
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very, very clearly wrong with the president of the United States. And with some very, very rare
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exceptions, there actually were some very rare, intellectually honest, even liberal journalists,
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Michelle Goldberg at the New York Times, David Ignatius, the Washington Post. They are very rare.
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The norm, the norm from the media and certainly from the Biden administration,
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from Jen Psaki and then Kareem Jean-Pierre and from Biden himself. The norm has been to say,
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shut up. You are an idiot. This is just old Uncle Joe, hardscrabble Joe from Scranton,
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Pennsylvania. He's just doing what he does best. How dare you? Are you an ageist? Do you harbor
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bigotry against people who are in their 80s or whatever? They basically said that we were kooks and
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to just shut up and take it. And now in the aftermath of their lie and their gaslighting operation
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being exposed before the world last Thursday night, now they are forced. They are forced to either
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admit the obvious, which is what Olivia Newsy of New York Magazine is doing, or to just plead
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ignorance, as you said, and say, oh, we actually didn't know. We were kept in the dark. But that
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doesn't work because, as I said, the dam is starting to break. You're starting to have these
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pieces written now by liberal journalists inside the cordon sanitaire, where they are basically
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saying, OK, well, you know what? Now it's fair game to get it out there. And it just stinks to high
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heaven, Benjamin. I don't really know how to say it stinks to high heaven, because this is the fate
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of the United States of America that these people are playing with fire with. We are not talking
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about here the fate of a small state like Delaware, Joe Biden's home state. We are talking about the
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fate of the greatest country in the world, a country that once upon a time commanded a presence
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on the world stage. And now during this presidency with this clearly addle-brained octogenarian
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president, you've seen Hamas go into Israel. You've seen, obviously, Russia, the Ukraine situation.
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Looks like Xi Jinping is probably going to take Taiwan any day now at this point, if I had to
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guess. Where does it stop? I mean, our enemies know that they are dealing with a corpse in the
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White House. And, you know, I guess I'll end on this note. The media does all this, perhaps most
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ironically, Benjamin. They do it in the name of our democracy, because there is nothing more
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democratic than hiding from the American people your job as the fourth estate to actually present an
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authentic picture of the commander in chief. Because there's nothing more democratic, I guess,
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than hiding from the American people who is actually running the country. Because Lord knows
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it's not Joe Biden. I've said all along, I think it's Barack Obama personally. But we don't know who
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it is. The Washington Post tagline is democracy dies in darkness. They put that in there in February
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2017, a couple of weeks after Trump was sworn in, democracy dies in darkness. Well, how about the fact
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that the republic dies in darkness when we don't even know who has his hands on the nuclear football? So
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it's just appalling and disgusting stuff. Yeah, I mean, you have WAPOs, the democracy dies in
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darkness. How about this? Because they knew and they've been lying as well, just like everyone
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else. How about this, WAPO? Democracy dies in darkness, credibility dies in the Washington Post.
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How about that as a new tagline for them? Because they, you know, I don't see how you just take the
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moral high ground. Your democracy dies in darkness, high ground, and deliberately keep the American
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people in the dark with regards to Joe Biden's mental state. Again, hypocrisy. Denver, I wonder
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if you very kindly just play while I'm talking to Josh, the clip that you have about Joe Biden.
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Um, if you have that, do you have that? They don't have that. Okay. They don't have it. Um,
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I, okay. It's, it's Joe Biden basically saying he's the first, let me pull this up saying that
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he's the, um, the first, yeah, you got it. Joe Biden here saying that he's the first black woman
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to serve with a black president, right? Joe Biden saying that he's the first black woman to serve
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with a black president. Um, how do you, how, right? How do you even make that kind of mistake?
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Yeah. I, I mean, every, every, every single adjective is wrong there, right? And every single
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adjective, every single noun in that is wrong. He's the first black woman to serve with a black
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president. Um, look, it's America, right? In America, you can be whatever you want to be.
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That's fine. Okay. But that is someone who has basically zero correlation with reality.
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This is the guy with the nuclear football. This is the guy with the hands,
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hand, his finger on the button. And this is the guy that the white house,
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green, Jean-Pierre, and all the commentators, morning psycho and all the morning meek and all
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the commentators have been telling us day after day is absolutely compass mentis. And as you say,
00:25:30.780
it's been a lie. It is a lie. It's been a lie. And it is gaslight at this stage. It's gaslighting.
00:25:35.980
Josh, we've got a break in two minutes. I'd be very grateful if you just stay on and just for a
00:25:41.760
moment till after the break. Um, I want to ask you a question because there are diverging opinions
00:25:47.500
on this one. Um, it will get your answer after the break. Um, I believe not everyone does. I believe
00:25:54.300
that the, uh, whoever was responsible for pushing within the democratic party for pushing the debate
00:26:01.740
so early did unprecedentedly early did so because they knew that Joe wasn't going to be able to,
00:26:09.740
to handle it, to cope. Um, and they pushed that as a means to, to get rid of him, to get him out.
00:26:19.260
Um, not everyone thinks that some people think it was like an accident or coincidence. Um,
00:26:24.620
I think it was definitely organized by someone, uh, very close to power, obviously, um, in either in
00:26:32.220
the DNC or perhaps, um, in the direction of the vice president. I don't know. Um, but I'd like to
00:26:40.300
know, um, if you could do in a minute before the break, what do you think about this? Do you think
00:26:44.940
that what we're watching now is, is, um, is, is basically theater that this has been planned,
00:26:52.620
that this debate that we're having right now is to some extent, uh, has been planned and forced
00:26:57.980
by somebody for a specific end. So I, I have a lot of friends who think exactly what you just said.
00:27:05.980
So I, after the debate, my, my phone was inundated with text messages from friends basically saying
00:27:11.340
exactly that, that this was the, this was the plan all along. You can convince him to step aside,
00:27:15.820
therefore make him embarrass himself there. I, I, I'm skeptical for two reasons. One is that if you go
00:27:21.500
back, it was actually Joe Biden himself who put out that video back in April. I think it was
00:27:26.700
challenging Trump to this debate. Now, maybe he was forced to do it. Maybe they kind of put a gun
00:27:30.620
to his head and did it. Okay. That's possible. But the, the, the more structural problem is that
00:27:37.100
this is very, very difficult to pull off the switcheroo to actually switch out the horse at
00:27:42.300
the top of the ticket at this point. So I actually discussed this on my show, the Josh Hammer show
00:27:46.780
this week with Trey trainer, who was a Republican commissioner on the federal election commission.
00:27:51.420
There are campaign finance and legal obstacles that are very difficult at this point. Maybe,
00:27:55.020
maybe we can pick that up on, on the other side of the break, actually.
00:27:58.140
Yeah, we'll pick that up on the other side of the break. And even though, as you say,
00:28:01.580
it is difficult to affect this switcheroo from the democratic perspective, it's imperative that they
00:28:08.060
try because if they go into this election with a guy who's senile, they are going to lose against
00:28:17.180
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Harnwell here at the helm filling in for Stephen K. Bannon, here with Josh Hammer discussing the web of
00:29:53.660
lies, the institutional web of lies that has been covering for a man who is clearly President of the
00:29:59.740
United States Commander-in-Chief, a man who is clearly no longer in full position of his mental
00:30:08.140
faculties. Josh, I was saying before the break, and I'm absolutely convinced of this, absolutely
00:30:13.740
convinced of this, this is a theatre, what we're seeing now. This is part of a plan
00:30:20.460
on behalf of the Democratic Party. The Democratic Party is not a party of sentimentality. I often liken them
00:30:30.780
on my getter feed to having all the sentimentality as a pack of angry xenomorphs, if you know what a xenomorph
00:30:37.900
is. If you don't, Google. These are the Democrats, right? They're not a sentimental party. They know, as
00:30:46.140
Steve would say, as short as the turning of the air, that if they presented Donald, Joe Biden,
00:30:53.580
as their nominee on the 5th of November against Donald Trump, they will lose. They know this,
00:30:59.100
right? So as difficult as it is, you've got financial reasons to do with campaign and all
00:31:05.580
those issues. Those are secondary. For the Democrats, they're secondary. And I tell you one of the reasons
00:31:12.620
why, and I'll ask for your reaction to this, right? One of the reasons that you can detect, I think,
00:31:19.500
that this is planned, as you said just before the break yourself, against this possibility,
00:31:27.580
because the candidate himself won't stand down, is the fact that you now have key donors. I think
00:31:33.900
Abigail Disney this morning said that she's instructing, she's not going to donate. And you
00:31:40.780
have calls now. James Cardinal, for example, said that finance donations should be ceased to all
00:31:50.060
politicians in the Democratic Party that are still supporting Joe Biden. The fact that they now put
00:31:55.580
their money on their foot on the money pipe, I think, shows that they're serious. They are serious.
00:32:01.980
They cannot go into November the 5th with Joe Biden. And that's why I think this whole thing was
00:32:07.740
brought forward to June, July to give them the running time to affect, as you call it, the switcheroo.
00:32:16.540
Well, let me just offer one other possible way to look at this, though. Because two nights ago at
00:32:22.140
the White House, you had a bunch of Democrat governors who flew in to meet with Joe Biden in
00:32:26.220
person. Gavin Newsom flew in from California, Gretchen Whitmer from Michigan, Daniel Malloy from
00:32:30.300
Connecticut. A bunch of governors flew in. And if I understand correctly, Kathy Hochul from New York was
00:32:35.660
there. Most of the big Democrat governors were there at the White House two nights ago to meet
00:32:39.580
with the president face to face. Most of the rest of them zoomed in.
00:32:42.780
And while there were some hostile, not hostile, while there were some inquisitive questions,
00:32:47.340
probing questions asked of the president about his mental and physical condition,
00:32:51.980
after that meeting was over, you had this conference outside where the Democratic governors
00:32:56.380
basically stood up, ducks lined in a row, and said, we're with the president, he is running.
00:33:00.700
Which is a very different message than we're starting to get from some House Democrats.
00:33:04.380
There have not been two House Democrats who have come out and say, get this guy out.
00:33:08.860
And we know that there's far more than two that think that.
00:33:12.220
But you're even starting to see within the Democratic elected official class,
00:33:16.060
something of a divide between the governors and the congressmen.
00:33:19.020
Now, the more cynical approach, and when we talk about Democratic politics,
00:33:21.820
typically the more cynical, the more accurate, the better.
00:33:24.060
The more cynical view as to what the Democratic governors are doing is they want Joe Biden to
00:33:30.380
stay there so that Kamala Harris does not go in and then become the presumptive nominee in 2028
00:33:35.260
after she loses in 2024. So you want Gavin Newsom and Kathy Hochul and Gretchen Whitmer to basically
00:33:41.420
throw Joe Biden to the wolves and therefore leave 2028 open. I think that's basically the calculus
00:33:46.700
there. It's deeply cynical, but they're still doing it. They're still playing along right now.
00:33:50.620
Now, to your point, yes, you've had some major donors there. I saw the Disney thing. You have
00:33:56.140
what's named Reed Hoffman, the Netflix co-founder who's also calling for Biden to step aside.
00:34:01.020
So you have some major donor pressure right now. But a week after what happened,
00:34:06.940
it's still not unanimous. I would have expected it to be even more unanimous at this point.
00:34:12.380
They're really running out of time. I mean, Democrats don't play by the rules.
00:34:15.820
They don't really care about the law. They act, they shoot, they ask questions later.
00:34:20.140
But the closer and closer we get to their convention, every state has their ballot
00:34:24.940
deadline on the campaign finance issue. Who gets the money? Does it go back to the DNC?
00:34:29.100
Does it revert to the donors? I just don't know. So I'm not as convinced that it's purely theater,
00:34:35.500
but I do think that it is a viable and highly plausible theory.
00:34:38.380
I just want to, in the four or so, three or four minutes we've got left with you,
00:34:44.620
because I know you're going to bounce. I just want to mention this point, this observation.
00:34:50.220
It has been somewhat ironic, I think, and badly thought through on behalf of the first family,
00:34:56.460
that they were pushing out to the press quite heavily, that they were dissatisfied with Biden's
00:35:02.300
advisers. And I'll tell you why I think it's fundamentally counterproductive.
00:35:07.180
Because the takeaway of the debate is that Biden is not in possession of himself,
00:35:15.020
of his awareness, of his situational awareness. And the suggestion is, therefore, that if he's not
00:35:23.260
running the White House, who is? And the family have come in, Jill, Hunter especially,
00:35:29.900
have now have come in. They've been pushing out the press. It's all the fault of the advisors
00:35:35.260
for pushing Biden too much, when they should have given him a bit of a break. I think,
00:35:41.820
this is why I think it's an own goal, that particular line. They're basically affirming
00:35:46.060
the principle position, the position, in making that argument, they are affirming the veracity of
00:35:52.780
the most substantial argument against the continuation of Joe Biden's presidency, that he doesn't have the
00:35:58.860
force of will to act in what he thinks, as he's the guy who's been elected by the American public.
00:36:05.260
He hasn't got the force of will to resist against his advisers and those around him.
00:36:10.620
And they've basically confirmed that suggestion by saying that he was pushed too hard by his advisers
00:36:17.820
in the week-long Camp David prep before the debate. I mean, what do you think on that?
00:36:26.940
Yeah, I mean, that all does make sense to me. I mean, look, there are not enough bad things that
00:36:32.860
you can possibly say about Jill Biden right now, so-called Dr. Jill Biden. What a wretched harridan.
00:36:40.860
I mean, what an absolute abominable human being we are dealing with here. I mean,
00:36:47.420
I cannot possibly say enough terrible things about Jill Biden specifically.
00:36:52.780
And the reason that I am being so harsh on her is because she is obviously the reason that,
00:36:58.460
not just the Democratic Party, because I frankly couldn't care less about them,
00:37:01.660
but she is obviously the reason that the country is in this state in the first place.
00:37:06.380
Joe Biden, I mean, call her Lady Macbeth, I guess, if you will. I don't know what exactly it is. I
00:37:12.620
guess just the reins of power are just that intoxicating. But she obviously, palpably,
00:37:17.660
is the one who has been encouraging Joe Biden all along to not step down. She is obviously the one
00:37:23.100
who has been pushing him over this past week. Joe, put on the blinders. Ignore the New York Times.
00:37:28.620
Ignore the Washington Post. Ignore all the skeptics. Just keep on doing you, Joe. Just stay in there.
00:37:34.220
I don't claim to know what she wants. Like I said, I suspect that it's just power being intoxicated in
00:37:39.820
the same way that power has been intoxicating for men who govern other men for thousands and
00:37:44.460
thousands of years. But if you don't have any patriotism, Jill, in your body, which you probably
00:37:50.540
don't, surely you at least care about your husband. I mean, how can a wife actually go to sleep at night
00:37:57.580
after throwing her husband out to the wolves like that and humiliating himself in front of the entire
00:38:02.940
world? It's just, it's unconscionable. As a recently married man myself, I could never
00:38:08.060
think about putting my life partner in that position. Horrible stuff.
00:38:11.260
Well, look, you know, Lady McBiden, okay, right? In addition to all the arguments
00:38:19.820
you've just raised against her, these people, their whole shtick is supposed to be that Donald Trump
00:38:26.700
represents an existential threat to the, um, to the democracy and the law and order of the United
00:38:34.940
States and around the world, right? This has been their shtick since he descended down the golden
00:38:39.500
escalator. And yet it is more important for Lady McBiden and Hunter. It is more important for them
00:38:47.260
that, and in Hunter's case, it probably is more important on a, on an almost existential level
00:38:53.100
that his father does remain in the white house, but he is going to lose. Joe Biden is going to lose
00:38:58.300
against Donald Trump. And it is interesting that against all the, all the, all the, um, the propaganda
00:39:05.260
that Donald Trump is so bad, you know, he's a dictator and all the rest of it, but the, that they're still
00:39:11.100
going to run a guy against him that they know will lose and let in what they claim to be, uh,
00:39:17.260
the worst possible fate for the United States. I think it just exposes, as you said in your article,
00:39:22.060
the lies behind the whole regime. Josh Hammer, thanks very much for coming on the show today. How can, uh,
00:39:28.620
people can stay in touch up to date with your, your great writing? Yeah, thanks so much for having me.
00:39:35.260
So I host two shows, the Josh Hammer show and America on trial with Josh Hammer, which are both
00:39:40.380
available everywhere. You get your podcasts. I write a weekly syndicated column that goes up
00:39:43.820
in Newsweek and a bunch of other right of center websites. And then I'm on Twitter X,
00:39:48.780
whatever we're calling it these days at Josh underscore hammer and also on Instagram at Josh
00:39:53.340
B hammer as well. Josh, thanks man. Thanks very much for coming on the show. Take care. God bless.
00:39:59.820
God bless you. Thank you. Um, I just want to take a quick moment now. Um, I was talking to Grace
00:40:06.460
Tron last night, war room CFO and, and to Cameron again yesterday about the live chat.
00:40:15.020
Uh, and I just want to give a shout out to all the great folks who follow the war room
00:40:21.260
on the live chat. Get ready with your heart emojis, folks. Sometimes on the getter account,
00:40:28.060
um, the war room getter, I will just tap in a quick hello to, to, to, to, to the, to the posse. Um,
00:40:36.620
but principally you've got shout out to the, to the live chat on war room on, on getter to the
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but, and to the RAV right great. Everyone's always telling me how great the live chat is on those
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four. So, all right, get ready with your heart emojis. So I say this, love you guys. Thanks very
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much for your support. Okay. That's supposed to be a heart. Oh, right. That's the, that's graphics for
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you. Right. Um, we have Ben Burkram live from the palace of Westminster, which we can see there
00:41:23.180
in the background. Ben, welcome to the war room today from London. Uh, what are your first takeaways
00:41:30.300
from this historic day and the huge victory for Nigel Farage and reform UK movement that he started?
00:41:42.540
Well, it's great to be with you, Ben. Uh, this is, you know, it's the first time I've ever been
00:41:47.020
in England, uh, celebrating independence day, America's independence day. And, uh, there is
00:41:52.140
a lot to talk about a lot of, uh, connections between what we celebrate in America, what we
00:41:57.740
fought for in America, the liberties that we fought for, and now what we see being destroyed around the
00:42:02.300
world. And, and really what you have happening in England, you know, as, as we celebrate our
00:42:08.380
independence and we fight to save Liberty in America, uh, we're seeing that destroyed from within
00:42:13.100
by the enemies that our founders warned us about the same thing is happening in England. It's the
00:42:17.820
same enemies within and the last beachhead, if you will, that last, uh, uh, hope for England right
00:42:25.260
now is Nigel Farage is the reform party and a huge win for Nigel yesterday. Uh, the, you know,
00:42:31.660
I was there with him at the watch party. We're there till five in the morning this morning. Then we drove
00:42:35.340
from Clacton on sea over here to London. So we're running on very few hours of sleep, uh, night or Raheem
00:42:40.940
Kassam is with me. Uh, he had to break away for a few minutes, but, uh, got the first exclusive
00:42:45.740
interview with Nigel last night. So big things coming. One thing to consider it's, it's only
00:42:50.540
four, they only have four seats. Now they're still fighting for one other in Essex, but, uh, the,
00:42:55.260
what's crazy about this, Ben is the, the, the results, the numbers that came out of this,
00:43:01.340
when you compare the labor party who received 34% of the overall vote, but now have 64% of the actual
00:43:09.180
seats compared to reform, which received 14% of the overall vote and only received less than 1%
00:43:16.780
of the, the seats. Uh, it's, it's clearly a place for, uh, proportional representation. There's a lot
00:43:22.380
to talk about there, but, uh, it's just, it's, it's an amazing time to be here and the connections
00:43:26.940
between America are very, very stark. Ben, thanks. Standby. We'll be back in 90 seconds after this quick
00:43:43.980
Welcome back on the show. Um, let's go quickly live to Ben Burkram in London, outside the British
00:43:51.580
House of Parliament. Ben, you've got about three or four minutes now. Can you just sort of, um,
00:43:56.780
three minutes? Can you just, uh, tell me from your perspective here in the campaign and talking to
00:44:03.180
people out there, how strong is the emotional connection now between the British people and Nigel
00:44:09.900
Farage? And is the underlying, um, which is present everywhere, the underlying issue against immigration
00:44:17.980
that you're seeing in the United States, is this a big part of what we saw, um, in, in, in the UK
00:44:24.940
yesterday, uh, at the general election? Is it part of the same movement that we're talking about every
00:44:30.460
day? Yeah. First off, the vote yesterday wasn't a referendum in favor of labor. It was really a
00:44:37.020
referendum against the conservative, the Tories. And if any, there was any clear victor outside of the,
00:44:43.420
the labor party, which I think is going to, uh, defeat itself in the end, it was Nigel Farage and
00:44:49.340
the reform party. And this is this railhead, this beachhead, uh, whatever you want to call it,
00:44:53.500
is that first step in a five-year plan that they have. And there's no question about it.
00:44:58.220
The general average population in England are sick of politics as a whole. They were sick of the
00:45:03.340
conservatives. They were sick of the labor. And, and now Nigel is, is showing that third option
00:45:08.700
for the people. So that's yet to be seen, but they're in development. Big things are coming
00:45:13.020
from the Nigel team, from the reform team. And yes, it all goes back to illegal immigration,
00:45:17.580
the dismal failure that the Tories did when it comes to both illegal immigration and legal
00:45:23.260
immigration, inviting in over 2 million legal immigrants to take the jobs of the English people.
00:45:28.620
That, the, the, the English people were sick of it. Now, what's sad is it's going to get worse
00:45:32.780
under the labor government, which again becomes an opportunity for reform and Nigel. Bottom line,
00:45:38.380
though, in all of this is it all connects back. We're heading to France tomorrow. We're going to be
00:45:41.980
covering the elections there as the pendulum swings back to Le Pen and the, the, the conservatives,
00:45:47.260
the national populace over there. It's the same thing we're seeing in America. And ultimately it
00:45:51.580
comes down to the people of every one of these countries. Will we be free countries or will we be
00:45:56.700
countries run by, by tyrants who want to destroy us from within? That's the battle that every country
00:46:02.060
faces right now. And, and it is, as we cover illegal immigration in America, it is the number one issue
00:46:08.220
everywhere I go in the Western world. And that's why they're trying to tear down
00:46:11.820
President Trump. That's why they're trying to tear down Nigel Farage. That's why they have our very
00:46:15.820
own Steve Bannon locked up as a political prisoner right now. It's all connected and it's up to this
00:46:21.180
generation in particular, this year of voters to save the nations of the world. Ben, thanks very
00:46:28.140
much. I know exactly where you're standing. Cause I used to work at the House of Commons 25 or so years
00:46:33.980
ago. You're standing to your left is Westminster Abbey, right? Is that right? That's correct.
00:46:40.300
Yeah, straight over here. That's right. Beautiful building. Beautiful, beautiful,
00:46:44.300
historic building, uh, the emotional heart of Christianity, um, in, in the UK. Ben,
00:46:51.580
thanks very much for coming today. I won't keep you. I know you've got to prepare your travels.
00:46:55.420
Bon voyage, as they say in France, in your, your journey tomorrow. And we'll catch up with, um,
00:47:00.940
we'll catch up with you tomorrow from, from France. Ben, thanks very much.
00:47:04.220
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going on, remember, I'm out to secure our election platforms for our great real president this fall.
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And we've been working on over 300,000 people on the ground in all, in all 3,143 counties.
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And it's been, uh, it's been great. Mike, thanks so much for coming on the show today.
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We'll catch you tomorrow. Okay. Thanks Mike. My, my pillow.com my store.com public square.com
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and birch gold.com stroke and Bannon. Um, quickly, I'd like to say, I will join you tomorrow. Posse,
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um, would have been Burkram and Rahim from France. This is a historic day today.
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A new political party in the UK has taken, I think some 14 and a half percent nationally,
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uh, led by the great Nigel Farage. This news is coming in. Archbishop Viganò has been excommunicated.
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We'll be breaking that by the Vatican, by Pope Francis. We'll be breaking that down
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tomorrow. And what that might mean for the future of the Catholic church. Um,
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so standby for Charlie Kirk who's coming in at 12 o'clock. My thanks to Cameron Wallace,
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producer of the war room, say a prayer to Steve Bannon, who's in prison and I'll catch you
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tomorrow. God bless and have the rest of a great day.
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