Sen. Amy Klobuchar (D-D.C.) joins CNN's Rachel Maddow to discuss the Supreme Court's decision to grant President Donald Trump immunity from prosecution in the Russia investigation, and why she thinks he won't win re-election.
00:00:00.000Last week's presidential immunity ruling by the Leonard Leo-appointed Supreme Court
00:00:03.800conservative majority all but put a nail in the coffin of the efforts to hold Donald Trump
00:00:08.220accountable for his many alleged crimes before November's election. The federal election
00:00:13.060interference case won't be returned back to D.C. Circuit Court Judge Tanya Chutkin
00:00:17.580until next month, when the Supreme Court officially issues its judgment in the immunity case.
00:00:23.660At that point, Judge Chutkin would need to parse through what parts of the indictment
00:00:28.100could still be charged against Trump and that would likely require and that would likely require
00:00:33.440evidentiary hearings to be held. That would be the last opportunity before the election for Jack
00:00:39.760Smith to make public any of the damning evidence against Trump, including the possibility of having
00:00:45.400high profile officials like Trump's former vice president, Mike Pence, testify at the hearings.
00:00:51.300The Guardian reports that Trump's team is already preparing to fight to stop such hearings from
00:00:55.980occurring. According to the Guardian, in the coming months, Trump's lawyers are expected to argue
00:01:00.600that the judge can decide whether the conduct is immune based on legal arguments alone. If
00:01:07.380prosecutors try to call Pence or his chief of staff, Mark Short, to testify about meetings where Trump
00:01:12.420discussed stopping the January 6th certification, Trump would try to block that testimony by asserting
00:01:18.660executive privilege and having Pence assert the speech or debate.
00:01:22.680I heard from Senator Schumer there. There was this long, lengthy lunch that Senate Democrats had
00:01:27.580today. And after my colleague, Dana Bash, reported that you, Senator John Tester and Senator Sherrod Brown
00:01:33.720all said during that lunch that you don't think President Biden can win in 2024. Is that true?
00:01:39.180Well, it's true that I said that. And I did say that behind closed doors. And you guys and others asked
00:01:46.620whether I'd said it. And that is what I said. So I figured I should come here and say it publicly.
00:01:51.160Why do you think he can't win in November?
00:01:53.120I just think this race is on a trajectory that is very worrisome, if you care about the future of
00:02:00.880this country. Joe Biden was nine points up at this time, the last time he was running. Hillary Clinton
00:02:06.440was five points up. This is the first time in more than 20 years that a Republican president
00:02:11.100has been up in this part of the campaign. Donald Trump is on track, I think, to win this election
00:02:17.880and maybe win it by a landslide and take with him the Senate and the House. So for me, this isn't a
00:02:25.000question about polling. It's not a question about politics. It's a moral question about the future of
00:02:30.440our country. And I think it's critically important for us to come to grips with what we face if
00:02:37.020together we put this country on the path of electing Donald Trump again.
00:02:41.300So you're worried that your party is not just going to lose the White House if Joe Biden is
00:02:45.700at the top of the ticket, but that you're also going to lose both chambers of Congress?
00:02:49.780I think that we could lose the whole thing. And it's staggering to me. I mean, Donald Trump's
00:02:54.120already been president. I thought he was the worst president that we've ever had.
00:02:57.980How do we stop this case from going back to the Supreme Court? Because I feel like their best shot
00:03:03.220would be to somehow appeal her attempt to hold the evidentiary hearing and somehow get it back into the
00:03:10.180hands of the pro-insurrectionist majority on the court. Because if they did that, we already know
00:03:15.460that whether it's John Roberts or Alito or Thomas, they'll shut it down.
00:03:19.860So that's a really interesting question. I mean, obviously, all roads do lead back to the Supreme
00:03:24.220Court. There would be a hearing before Judge Kachukkin about whether or not the hearing could happen.
00:03:28.640That could be appealed onto the D.C. Circuit. And then any decision from the D.C. Circuit could be
00:03:33.720appealed to the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court, however, does not have to take this. And again,
00:03:37.880so many Americans are up in arms about this immunity decision. 75 percent of Americans don't
00:03:43.480believe that the president should have complete immunity from criminal prosecution. And they worry
00:03:48.900that although the court has not given the president complete immunity, it has opened a quite wide door
00:03:53.500to the president having immunity from criminal liability in the future. And they are understandably
00:03:58.840upset about it. And so I wonder if the court, which has to rely on public opinion to some degree for its
00:04:03.540own legitimacy, might think twice about taking up this case and handing another win to Donald Trump.
00:04:08.840But the delay is really where all of the action is.
00:04:11.640This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies, because we're going
00:04:22.820medieval on these people. I got a free shot. All these networks lying about the people,
00:04:29.580the people had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do
00:04:33.660everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen.
00:04:36.660And where do people like that go to share the big line? Mega media. I wish in my soul,
00:04:43.420I wish that any of these people had a conscience. Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my
00:04:49.800purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
00:04:57.020War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Bann.
00:05:00.440Dave Brad in the War Room with Stephen K. Bannon. We open every show in honor of Steve. Behind him,
00:05:11.760he's got a sign of the cross in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. We all are praying
00:05:18.680for Stephen K. Bannon. We're praying for our country. We're all praying in the little cold open there.
00:05:24.720Everybody's bringing up morality lately. And so maybe now is the time to go back to first principles
00:05:33.380and all the great principles our founders set up to form a good republic. We've improved it along the
00:05:43.080way. And so we're hopeful on the War Room that we have a great conversation. We got the Supreme Court,
00:05:50.040Mark Paoletta is going to be coming in. But first, we're going in to continue the dialogue from this
00:05:56.000morning with Dr. Naomi Wolf. She set up early this morning a bit on the piece she wrote in defense of
00:06:06.480liberty. When conservatives and independents and classical liberals are missing from the fray,
00:06:13.680she wrote a piece called What Time Is It? Implying it's late in the game and made some historical
00:06:20.680references to that effect. And I think after that, I think we got enough time in this segment. I
00:06:27.560apologize for earlier in the day. We had a quick, quick out. But Dr. Naomi Wolf, I think she's also
00:06:32.800going to go into some big pharma news as well. And so, Naomi, thanks for coming back on with us at the
00:06:38.800five o'clock hour. Great to have you on the War Room. And why don't you just take off where you left off?
00:06:43.120Sure. Well, we were talking about this essay I wrote about Steve Bannon's incarceration.
00:06:50.120And what I'm saying in the earlier show is that so much of the conditions at Federal Correctional
00:06:58.120Institute Danbury are the outcome is to silence him. Right. And that, I think, is one of the goals
00:07:06.620of this so assiduously sought sentencing. He can't speak to us, even in a recording. He can't,
00:07:15.200as I understand it, access the Internet in such a way as to follow the convention. He can't advise
00:07:22.680the president in real time. He can't text people. He's really, his voice is really silenced. He has
00:07:30.960limited snail mail privileges, right? He can only be in possession of 20 postage stamps at one time.
00:07:39.960And they're like what seemed just emotionally cruel, like psychologically burdensome conditions.
00:07:46.320For instance, if a family member visits him, they can only kiss or shake hands at the start and end
00:07:52.400of the visit, no hugging, no touching during the visit, even for family. And he has a limited number
00:07:59.920of visitors allowed or visits allowed. And the restrictions depend on things as random as how
00:08:05.960far they have to travel. I guess all of that being said, the takeaway for me is he's this alone achieved
00:08:13.260what they've been wanting to achieve for so long, which is the silencing of Steve Bannon at this critical
00:08:18.060four-month period leading up to the most important election of our time, in which his candidate is
00:08:25.300now being acknowledged, even by the opposition, by the leading administration, the ones in power,
00:08:31.440as at risk of winning in a landslide, right? So this is not a coincidence. It's not accidental.
00:08:38.680But the second more important thing I want to say is this is not just about Steve Bannon.
00:08:43.560I was very horrified to see a pretty muted response from even conservatives, with the exception of a few
00:08:52.080outraged podcasts and articles in the alternative media. Many conservatives have been pretty silent
00:08:59.160about Steve Bannon's incarceration. Libertarians have been silent. Centrists have been silent.
00:09:06.800Certainly liberals, even those who claim to care about due process of law and the Constitution have been
00:09:11.880silent. And this is really stupid and scary because it's not just about this prisoner, right? Just like
00:09:20.040Julian Assange wasn't just about that prisoner. This is about all of us. And what people really need to
00:09:25.780understand, which is why the title is What Time It Is, is it's one thing to be at the stage of a dying
00:09:32.260democracy in which people are deplatformed, de-licensed, debanked, persecuted, lawfare, right? All of that is a mere
00:09:43.880annoyance indicating the decline of a formerly robust democracy. But once the state starts to take
00:09:51.600opponents into physical custody, once they take your body, then we've passed a point of no return.
00:09:58.740And there are historic precedents. So what I keep saying is, it's the first six months of 1933.
00:10:05.240And this is before the Nazis actually had a formal majority in the Reichstag. The SS and the SA were
00:10:13.000mopping up. It's the mopping up of the opposition physically. They were arresting informally, right,
00:10:19.680opposition leaders, critics, editors, journalists, clergy members who were outspoken, union leaders,
00:10:27.240people who just didn't agree with them, and were standing fast in opposition to them. And they
00:10:33.560took these people informally into basement prisons. They beat them up, or they disappeared them. And
00:10:39.880it was no secret, right? And then the ones who survived went back and told the tale of their being
00:10:45.740mistreated or silenced or beaten. And then within six months, all of German civil society had gone quiet.
00:10:53.800The people who would be expected to stand up against Nazis didn't do so because they, too,
00:10:59.000were afraid. And that's what I'm seeing, this silence, as if you let them have Steve Bannon,
00:11:05.180they won't come after you, right? Or your podcast gets market share. Whatever nonsense is the
00:11:10.180reason for the silence, relative silence, about Steve Bannon's incarceration is really wrongheaded,
00:11:16.540because if they can take him, you know, quarantine camps, which they've set up right here in New York
00:11:23.300State, we had to sue, or actually Bobby Ann Cox, a lawyer, had to sue the governor of this state where
00:11:31.040I'm sitting to not open quarantine camps where people like us could be quarantined. They have
00:11:36.620them in Australia, right? Dissidents are quarantined. Or hospitals where your loved ones can't come see you,
00:11:43.440which happens often in lockdowns. All of these are conditions in which anything can be done
00:11:47.860to the person whose body is in custody. And one of the things that really scared me about
00:11:53.680FCI Danbury is that it's the prisoner's responsibility to go along with not to refuse
00:12:00.640medical protocols. What does that mean, right? That's really scary. So in many ways, this is dangerous,
00:12:07.460not just for Steve Bannon, but for all of us. And if we don't speak up now, in support of him,
00:12:13.720but also in just opposition to having political prisoners in the United States of America,
00:12:19.320which is not how our system is supposed to work, then it's not like, oh, they got him,
00:12:23.480they won't get me, they won't get you. It's because of our silence that we will be next.
00:12:27.480Yeah, well said, Naomi. And I applaud you and your logic, the way you generalize from what happens to
00:12:36.840any individual in this country happens to us all, right? That's kind of at the guts of the moral
00:12:44.760fiber that made this country special from its inception, right? That hope. It hasn't been
00:12:50.360perfected. We were all, you know, fall short of perfection. But the way you put that is just
00:12:58.920perfect. And it is interesting. I have some classical liberal in me, right? Uncle Milton Friedman.
00:13:05.640And I liked, you know, many elements of the enlightenment, even though on the moral theory,
00:13:11.080I don't think it closed the circle quite fully. And so it's very interesting. Sometimes it's hard for
00:13:18.520conservatives, maybe to see our own selves clearly, but maybe you can see it better. And so
00:13:22.300what do you think it is about conservatives? Liberals, right? The ACLU was initially formed
00:13:27.660back when you had classical liberals, and they were shouting and screaming on behalf of minority
00:13:31.900communities, which was the right thing to do for the liberty of every single person. And the
00:13:37.360conservatives, we weren't doing it back then. And now conservatives are awfully quiet. As you say,
00:13:42.780are we defective in some manner when it comes to making noise and protesting?
00:13:48.520What's wrong with the conservative movement, where we, we can't make any noise?
00:13:54.320Yeah, that's a great question. Well, I, I've actually thought about that a lot,
00:13:58.180because I would have, there are critical points in the last few years, since I kind of, I don't think
00:14:04.320I've switched sides, but, you know, I'm much more friends with you all than I am with my own former
00:14:09.620team right now, certainly, where I would have thought that there would be a forceful show of unity
00:14:16.600and resistance from conservatives, and there hasn't been. So I think one thing which is true is that
00:14:24.040liberals do seem to be, or the left seems to be better able to organize, partly because we're not
00:14:31.320philosophically committed to individualism. And so all of, all of you guys are like, you know, we're a bunch
00:14:40.180of individuals, you know, we, we decide for ourselves, and that's awesome, but it makes it hard to, I gather, it makes it hard to kind of coordinate.
00:14:47.620I would have thought, though, that the fact that so many of you have military training, that's just the best, but it's time to...
00:14:54.680Very good. Back with Naomi Wolf in a second.
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00:16:13.000War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
00:16:18.700Dave Bratt, in the War Room with Stephen K. Bannon.
00:16:22.640And our special guest was in this morning.
00:16:26.040Had the moral courage to write a fine piece in defense of Stephen K. Bannon and all the work they've done together over the years in the pharmaceutical industry on the Fauci mischief, etc.
00:16:41.900And so, Naomi Wolf, why don't you, if you were done with the freedom argument, or if you wanted to close the loop on that,
00:16:51.120and then give us the latest breaking news on the pharmaceutical industries as well.
00:16:55.620And thanks again for being with us today.
00:16:58.700Yeah, just to wrap up, it's, I think, it's interesting, you asked why conservatives don't seem to mobilize and kind of rise up as a group the way that I think they should at critical moments,
00:17:13.420for instance, when one of their chief leaders is taken into custody.
00:17:17.060And I think also one reason is they have an optimism about this country that is sometimes respectfully naive, given what history knows can happen.
00:17:28.620And so I think they believe that, you know, it can never get that bad in the United States of America,
00:17:35.020because they have this boundless faith in America, but America depends on people, right, to defend it.
00:17:41.200So I think they need a little bit of kind of dark awareness of the 20th century in Europe to see what can happen in America.
00:17:50.140So that's what I would say about liberty.
00:25:46.020So White House and Senator White House and Senator Wyden, two big Democrat senators, sent a letter to the Justice Department asking Merrick Garland
00:25:57.700to appoint a special prosecutor on Justice Thomas.
00:26:01.200And so, again, unprecedented, you know, attacks on Justice Thomas in particular, where with the end of the term, the term just ended July 1st, an epic term, you know, not everything, but a great, great term.
00:26:14.920This is the best Supreme Court in 80 years, OK, in a very, very long time.
00:26:29.240And this is on these bogus ethics charges and recusal charges against Justice Thomas.
00:26:36.680And finally, in a good development, Ted Olson, who is a longtime Supreme Court appellate litigator, one of the top lawyers in the Supreme Court bar, as it's called, he was a solicitor general under President Bush.
00:26:53.200He won Bush v. Gore in the Supreme Court in 2000 during that election.
00:26:57.640You know, a very, very talented lawyer, but not a MAGA lawyer in any sense, not a Trump supporter in any sense.
00:27:03.240He issued, he wrote an op-ed in the Wall Street Journal yesterday calling out the left for these attacks.
00:27:10.460And it was really, I was glad to see Ted Olson step up and defend the court, defend Justices Thomas and Alito, not by name, but just essentially the left's attacks that were dangerous, trying to undermine the integrity of the court, and that citizens and lawyers should stand up and call this out.
00:27:30.820And I've talked about this with Steve on this show before, Dave, that lawyers at the Supreme Court bar who practice before the Supreme Court, who know these justices, right, have worked for them.
00:27:42.540Many of them are former Supreme Court clerks, should step up and say, this is outrageous.
00:27:48.360And that has been one of the deafening silences to me of none, very, very few lawyers.
00:27:54.640So I'm hoping, I'm always an optimist, that Ted Olson's op-ed is going to unleash a lot of lawyers to defend the court, and specifically Justice Thomas.
00:28:05.040Back with Mark Paoletta in one minute.
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00:30:40.340They rarely take on more than one issue at a time.
00:30:44.620And so for two senators to come out blasting the Supreme Court, that calls into question, something new is going on here.
00:30:52.560There are new rules of the game up in Washington, D.C.
00:30:56.640And it's a transition from classical liberalism, the kind that Naomi Wolf was describing, where we could all rely on the same rules of the game, to now just maybe irreconcilable philosophical differences.
00:31:11.700And so what are the new rules of the game, where they just continually attack?
00:31:17.700And it's just kind of Marxist deconstruction across the board.
00:32:07.060And again, Biden attacked him, a former senator, you know, back in 1991 when he was a chairman, right?
00:32:13.060Threw everything at him, lied about him, didn't believe in Anita Hill.
00:32:17.140And that's contemporaneous evidence that he did not believe in Anita Hill.
00:32:20.460And he led that high-tech lynching, as Justice Thomas called it.
00:32:23.520And again, those attacks, you know, launched our greatest justice, the beginning tenure, right, of our greatest justice, which is Clarence Thomas.
00:32:45.000You see Senator Menendez right now standing trial.
00:32:47.920The Senate Ethics Committee has done nothing on him, right?
00:32:50.080I think it's something, like I've written on this, 1,800 complaints filed since 2004, and not a single time have they sanctioned a U.S. senator or any staffer, I think, for anything.
00:33:02.060And so, you know, there's a complaint against Senator Whitehouse for him helping his wife repeatedly and her clients.
00:33:10.020She's an environmental consultant, and he's done all these things, you know, that benefit her clients and her pocketbook.
00:33:16.980So that's what you see, the senators that just want to destroy the Supreme Court.
00:33:22.540And again, one of the other things that Whitehouse is doing, the Judicial Conference under law is charged with administering the ethics laws for the judiciary, OK?
00:33:31.020And he is bullying them to take actions against Justice Thomas, against other justices.
00:33:53.560And it's all to delegitimize the Supreme Court so that they can pack it, right?
00:33:57.800Now, we're seeing President Trump, thank God, he made those three appointments, and he is going to win in 2024.
00:34:03.840And so we won't have a packing of the court, you know, but that's why it's so important to win in 2024, because I do believe that the Democrats won.
00:34:12.380They would get rid of the filibuster, and they would pack the Supreme Court and put four additional justices on the court to essentially control it and make it their, you know, their entity to implement their left agenda.
00:34:24.620That's why it's important to get out and vote, to support President Trump, to make sure the Democrats do not have that opportunity to do that.
00:34:34.160Yeah, well, as Stephen K. Bannon always says, it's just a good thing we're heading to polls because the left is just going to hand over the car keys to us, and then we'll run things flawlessly following constitutional principles.
00:34:46.220Not, right? That's the opposite of what he always says. They're not going to hand over the car keys.
00:34:52.960Naomi Wolf just explained that conservatives are, in her quotes, respectfully naive, right?
00:34:59.500Our side thinks we play constitutional rules that we're Cub Scouts, we're Christians, and the left is doing exactly what Mark Paoletta just showed.
00:35:10.600And so we need to rethink, and then whenever we fight back, they gaslight us for our fighting language, and we're not used to it.
00:35:21.320And so, Mark, thank you for that great summary. Where do people get you?
00:35:25.680And you might want to call out Russ Vogt and the other great team members you got with you.
00:35:30.200Sure. Russ is a great American, great patriot, doing great things.
00:35:33.100I'm on X at Mark Paoletta, and I have a website, markpaoletta.com, where all my articles, I've written 50 of them that are up there on testimony.
00:35:42.540And I'm at the Center for Renewing America, which is a superb organization supporting President Trump and his ideas.
00:35:50.280Russ and I worked together in OMB in the Trump White House, and he's done terrific work.
00:35:55.440It's a terrific organization. So thanks for having me on, Dave.
00:35:57.560Yeah, no, thanks, Mark. Everybody support Mark, Russ, their group. Support them in every way possible, including your prayers, right?
00:36:06.140The whole country's in need of prayer right now so that we can gain the courage that Eric Metaxas was talking about earlier in the program this morning.
00:36:15.500Right now, we're shifting over to Sandy Smith. Sandy has some evidence of CCP involvement, right?
00:36:22.920When we talk about the CCP, we're talking about the Chinese Communist Party, not the Lao Bajing, that Stephen K. Bannon is trying to liberate from this totalitarian surveillance state rule.
00:36:35.600And so, Sandy, great to have you in the war room.
00:36:39.860Why don't you tell us the breaking news down there from Carolina and what you're working on?
00:36:45.560Thanks, Dave. Great to be with you and Mo this afternoon.
00:36:47.760Hey, we had a great article come out of the New York Post this week in regards to Congressman Don Davis and his ties to the CCP.
00:36:57.520We're finding out that we have more and more people in Congress and in government that have heavy, strong ties to the CCP.
00:37:06.740Matter of fact, they're financing trips for these folks to go over to China through an organization by the name of Chinese People's Association of Friendship with Foreign Countries.
00:37:17.440It's a fully paid trip, and this is so they can have control of these legislators.
00:37:23.940And, you know, we all thought it was just Fang Fang's boyfriend that was tied to China.
00:37:27.760No, we have a ton of them, and it's on both sides of the aisle, and we need to sound the alarms and protect our country.
00:37:34.960They own here in North Carolina over 380,000 acres of farmland.
00:37:43.140In my district alone, I think it's 6,500 acres.
00:37:51.180And the thing is, this farmland is strategic not only to our food supply but also to national security.
00:37:58.060They are purchasing these land that's, you know, very close to our military bases.
00:38:03.900Here in North Carolina, we have over 13 military installations and bases here that are some of the most important in our country.
00:38:12.220And we allow, you know, the Chinese weather balloons to come flying over, and now we're allowing them to freely come across our open border.
00:38:20.920And now we're letting them control our food supply.
00:38:24.100What's really interesting is one of the biggest holders of land here in North Carolina is a company by the name of Smith Foods, who owns, I believe, over 146,000 acres alone here in North Carolina.
00:38:39.080They are one of the top four meat producers here in our country.
00:38:44.660And if you don't think that is a national security, I really don't know what is, because if they control the food, they control the people.
00:38:51.680And if we let them control our politicians, they control us.
00:40:05.600Caroline, so I know that you've come on here and talked about a Mr. Ringfield.
00:40:12.820I believe that he was indicted and made an appearance in court.
00:40:17.780So could you please provide us an update about Mr. Ringfield?
00:40:21.720Yes, back to the most corrupt county in the country, Maricopa County, where, you know, we've been up in arms for weeks on this show.
00:40:30.640Oh, the posse has about the arrest of Walter Ringfield Jr., who was a employee at the Maricopa County Elections Department, who was arrested about three weeks ago for stealing critical or access bobs at the Maricopa County Tabulation Center, which access critical infrastructure and the actual tabulators.
00:40:47.800The press has largely not been covering this.
00:40:50.540It's been a war room really pushing people to look into this.
00:40:53.180And so yesterday, the Maricopa County Attorney's Office announced that he had been indicted, and he was indicted for three felonies and one misdemeanor charge, which they were in relation to stealing the ballot tabulator key fob from Maricopa County.
00:41:05.040Then he also stole from the Arizona State Legislature one week before that.
00:41:08.440And then also they came out last week that he was also caught on video surveillance stealing $9,500 worth of jewelry from the Phoenix Art Museum about one month prior to when he committed the felony of the key fobs at Maricopa County.
00:41:21.960And so this morning, he actually entered a not guilty plea, which is interesting, and he's being held without bail.
00:41:27.860But this is the part that is mind-blowing to me.
00:41:30.000They set his trial date, and you won't believe, guess when this man is set to go to trial?
00:41:35.440That means they're going to hold him in a jail cell without access to be able to speak to others, talk to press, until the day after the election.
00:41:45.500As your dad says, Maureen, there are not coincidences.
00:41:48.500This is not a coincidence that they set the trial date for November 6th and the general election is November 5th.
00:41:55.160You're 100 percent correct in the fact that he pleaded not guilty this morning when there is clear evidence that we've seen that you've shared on the show.
00:42:07.180But the fact that he was not only investigated prior to that, but you said that a month before he stole the key fob, that he went and stole jewelry.
00:42:21.400Why was he even allowed to be in the vicinity of that building to steal the key fob?
00:42:26.500Well, that's a really important question you just asked, because they did a press conference a couple days after the Maricopa County elections fraud, and they said, we do not think that this is politically motivated.
00:42:37.680Well, if it's not politically motivated, then what?
00:43:10.600So if you're going to be not guilty, it means you want to go to trial and you want to say, hey, someone told me to go do this, and, like, this is why.
00:43:16.000But this is why it's so incredible to me that the trial – we won't know this until after the election.
00:43:20.740So citizen journalists and the people need to continue to look into this.
00:43:24.020This guy did not do this on its own accord.
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00:45:58.620It's significant because, reminder, in 2022, in Maricopa County, 61 percent of the polling stations had the tabulators completely malfunctioned, which caused six-hour lines.
00:46:09.560And these were only the Election Day tabulators.
00:46:29.960Actually, if a temporary elections worker wants to go take a job at Maricopa County, they have access to and ability to steal key fobs that only access those certain machines and could tamper with them.
00:46:41.460Like, obviously, to me, that is what his intention would have been, or else why would you have stolen these specific fobs?
00:46:47.120It doesn't make any sense other than someone directed him to or paid him to.
00:46:52.020And this is why it's frustrating, because I don't know if or when we're going to be able to find that out, especially when you don't set a trial until after the general election in 2024.
00:47:00.820And like you said, there's no conspiracies, and my dad says no conspiracies and no coincidences.
00:47:05.380However, the fact that the trial date isn't set until the day after the election, something smells fishy, the fact that they don't want him to come out and speak to the media prior to the election.
00:47:17.120And speaking of that election, I know you are a senior advisor or the senior advisor to Cary Lake, and a new poll just came out putting Cary Lake ahead of Ruben Gallego.
00:47:29.320What is the way ahead for Cary between now and 30 July in order to seal a victory?
00:47:37.900Cary Lake's race is looking amazing right now, and we're looking good across the country, quite frankly.
00:47:42.360But Cary specifically, I'd say there's a top-three pickup.
00:47:45.360The first one is West Virginia that's safely in the Republican quarter.
00:47:48.120And then you have Montana, which should go our way.
00:48:53.960And where can the posse find you and find out more about this bus tour of Cary Lake's?
00:48:58.000They can find me at Caroline Wren on Twitter, Get Her in Truth Social, and you can go to CaryLake.com for updates on her schedule and different volunteer opportunities.
00:49:08.880Thank you so much for joining us tonight, Caroline.
00:49:12.300And talking about President Trump, Mike Lindell was down at the rally.
00:49:17.920And I know yesterday on The War Room, Jack Posobiec asked Mike if he would be President Trump's VP pick.
00:49:25.660I know that was not announced yesterday at the rally, but the media has now attacked Mike Lindell for what he said on the show.
00:49:32.160Mike, do you want to address what was talked about yesterday with Jack Posobiec?
00:49:37.600I know you didn't say you'd be the VP, but what did you say?
00:49:42.120Well, what I did say, I said, Jack, I said, no, he's never approached me on that.
00:49:45.420And I said, but if Donald Trump asked me to do anything for the administration, I would.
00:49:50.160And I said, I would hope that he would ask me to have something to do with maybe a new election bureau that we would have in the government, because our government deemed our elections critical infrastructure.
00:50:00.540And maybe it'd be part of Homeland Security.
00:51:28.800We're going to need this new evidence anyway, whether a real president gets in or not, if they steal it or he gets in.
00:51:35.780Either way, because he wants to get to same-day voting, paper ballots, hand counting, like they just did in the U.K. with the beautiful election, because the people got fed up with the five-year status quo, and they had a real election, not a selection.
00:51:49.740So I just want to set the record straight there, Maureen.
00:51:53.380And, Mike, we also, we need the deals.