After the Vice Presidential Debates, Democratic National Committee Chairwoman Joe Crowley and Vice President Joe Biden weigh in on the Joe Biden vs. Donald Trump debate, and whether he should continue to run for President in 2020. They also discuss why they think he should leave the race.
00:01:43.720Look, what I said was, instead of my every day starting at 7 and going to bed at midnight, it'd be smarter for me to pace myself a little more.
00:01:57.080And I said, for example, the 8, 7, 6 stuff, instead of starting a fundraiser at 9 o'clock, start at 8 o'clock.
00:02:09.600And if you look at my schedule since I've since I made that stupid mistake in the campaign, in the debate, I mean, my schedule has been full bore.
00:02:58.980In the next debate, I'm not going to be traveling in the 15 time zones a week before.
00:03:03.960When there's an excess of love and loyalty, you get 70 million Americans who will not budge from their support for a felon, from a criminal, from an adjudicated rapist who has promised to turn this country into an authoritarian country.
00:03:17.500That's what happens when you won't set aside loyalty and love and emotion.
00:03:21.300So the stakes are so high that right now the question is, you know, not that, not how loyal are you, but can we avert, forget about, and we can talk more if you like about, you know, the event that Joe Biden were reelected.
00:03:34.920But can you avert a second Trump presidency?
00:03:37.600And there is not a single number out there, not one, you know, Cook Report telling us that we may lose the House that says that Joe Biden is going to win.
00:03:45.840And so the answer to that, which is a fair answer, is that, yeah, there's still time.
00:03:49.940There's four or five months to the election.
00:03:51.740So then you need to ask yourself, what's the trajectory look like here?
00:03:57.040If you believe that the problem the Democrats have is that we haven't gotten our message across, the message of the bipartisan infrastructure law, the message of capping out-of-pocket expenses in Medicare at $2,000,
00:04:07.480and capping insulin costs at $35, and standing up for veterans,
00:04:10.540if you believe that our problem is that we haven't gotten that message across well, and if you also believe that the president has the biggest megaphone,
00:04:18.560you have to drop the emotion and the loyalty and love and say, in the next four or five months, is that story going to be told with such precision and poetry and beauty
00:04:29.400that you will turn around all the numbers that say we are going to lose?
00:04:33.600And I did this painful thing tonight because, for me, the answer to that is I just don't see that trajectory.
00:05:35.400I'm Congressman Matt Gaetz, and I've got the watch here in the War Room for the next two hours.
00:05:39.920We've got Congresswoman Paulina Luna going to join us later in the show talking about inherent contempt.
00:05:44.600Andy Biggs, the latest fights on spending on the House floor.
00:05:49.160Jim Himes, the lead Democrat on the Intelligence Committee, was just there in our cold open wanting you to fully experience his bug out and his pain with the state of the Biden campaign.
00:06:00.080Joe Biden wants you to know that he does not have a bedtime.
00:06:02.940Just because he wants the fundraisers to start an hour earlier, he does not have a bedtime.
00:06:08.200And I've got to say, for a guy who didn't know that Donald Trump wasn't his vice president and didn't know that Vladimir Putin wasn't the president of Ukraine,
00:06:18.760I would say Biden had a pretty decent night maybe staving off some of the immediacy of this effort to try to remove him in the bloodless coup of the Democratic Party.
00:06:28.940Joining me right now to discuss this and much more, the brilliant Chip Roy from Texas.
00:06:35.500I want to get to your efforts to secure the vote and stop the tens of millions of illegal aliens in this country from getting access to the ballot and diluting the power of our movement in this upcoming election.
00:06:47.060But first, I've just got to get your take on what's going on with our Democrat congressional colleagues right now after that Biden press conference.
00:06:55.240Assess how you think Biden did and what stage of grief our Democrats find themselves in.
00:07:01.640You know, I was reminded last night there was a great Dennis Miller skit from the 1980s.
00:07:07.300And he's talking about when Reagan was going to be 77 by the end of his second term.
00:07:11.040And he quipped, he goes, you know, 77.
00:07:13.720My grandfather is 77 years old and we won't let him use the remote control.
00:07:17.480And, you know, that's all I could think about last night while I was watching Joe Biden kind of daughter around the stage.
00:07:23.740And as you said, he's set the bar so low in terms of our expectations while we watch him, you know, in his diminished capacity that he actually had an OK night.
00:07:32.260So to answer your question, our Democratic colleagues are in the worst possible situation right now because there's a block of them that are looking at this guy and going because they know the truth.
00:07:41.800He has no business being in the White House right now, much less being a candidate.
00:07:47.280But there's a bunch that are looking at the polls.
00:07:56.140And, look, I think we just got to keep focusing on what President Trump's going to say next week, talking about all the great policies, be organized, be solid Republicans.
00:08:04.460But we got to keep turning the screws on them on this.
00:08:07.280They know this guy is not mentally competent.
00:08:10.040He cannot carry out the powers and duties of the office.
00:08:12.680They know their vice president, who was literally a DEI vice president.
00:08:17.060Like, they got mad at me because I said that.
00:08:19.520They literally, in Biden's Senate, in the summer of 19, he said, I'm going to pick a female minority.
00:08:24.840That's not the same as President Trump, who says, I'm going to pick the best candidate.
00:08:28.220I don't care who they are, what their race is, where they're, you know.
00:08:31.040And so I think we got to just keep putting the screws on them.
00:10:57.420Because I am not aware of a single proof of citizenship document that does not cost an individual money to get it.
00:11:04.560Unless we are requiring every state to provide one for free, and then it's on unfunded mandate.
00:11:09.500This is the 2024 version of the Jim Crow poll tax, and we should vote against it.
00:11:16.460Only citizens can vote for the United States Senate.
00:11:19.100Only citizens can vote for the presidency of the United States.
00:11:23.860So, this extreme mega-republican voter suppression bill is not designed to solve any problem on behalf of the American people.
00:11:34.920It is designed to jam people up and prevent Americans from voting.
00:11:42.840So, Chip Roy, are you trying to prevent Americans from voting, or would legislation that empowers states and local governments to check citizenship stop the non-Americans from voting?
00:11:56.500Who are you trying to jam up, Congressman Roy?
00:11:59.860Yeah, you know, what's really funny is they try to turn this into the race card, right?
00:12:06.240And I would note five Democrats voted for this bill, five, 198 voted against it.
00:12:11.980And of those five, two that I know of were Hispanic members of Congress from South Texas.
00:12:17.400So, I'm sure they're going to be really interested in hearing how their colleagues think that they voted for a so-called poll tax.
00:12:22.660Or maybe our good friend, mutual friend, Byron Donalds or Burgess Owens or any number of our members of the Republican Conference that are being accused of advancing a poll tax.
00:12:33.080What we're doing is simply saying you've got to be a citizen to vote.
00:12:36.240We provide all manners of ways to be able to prove that, following Supreme Court precedent and making sure there's not too much of a burden.
00:12:50.540They've got the woman, I can't remember, the congresswoman from New York who literally last year said, yeah, we need more illegals so we can put them in our districts so they can pack them, you know, after the census so they can get more districts.
00:13:00.860I mean, look, we know what they're trying to do.
00:13:18.520President Trump makes the key point, which is that if this is not attached to must-pass legislation, then the United States Senate has no interest in this.
00:13:27.400They want to be able to have the illegals here packing districts for reapportionment.
00:13:30.860They don't want more congressional allocation to Florida and to Texas and the places people actually want to live.
00:13:37.700They want to create sanctuary cities, let these folks fill in every luxury hotel there, consume the resources that are intended for the people there, drive out anyone who thinks differently, and then absorb the representation.
00:13:54.640Other than government funding, any other must-pass bill you think this dovetails well with?
00:13:59.620I mean, honestly, between now and September 30th, I'm not sure there's another one that it's going to be able to jump on that's going to be a must-pass piece of legislation that we really need to do this before September because it's so critical to send this message before November.
00:14:12.100So I think absolutely the spending vehicle is the right approach to continuing resolution if that's what we're going to do come September.
00:14:19.220And as usual, again, President Trump is looking around the curve, which is exactly what we want to do.
00:14:23.840But only in Washington will Republicans go, oh, gosh, we can't have that kind of a fight in September.
00:14:42.840We don't have to advance any of these priorities.
00:14:45.120And you've got the right answer, Chip Roy, forcing an actual bill that protects our vote, forcing a lot of the action.
00:14:52.440Chip Roy, congressman from Texas, great fighter.
00:14:55.460Thanks for joining me in the War Room.
00:14:57.000We'll be right back with Richard Barris.
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00:16:11.260And he said, oh, who believes the polls are right?
00:16:13.340And he has defied the polls in the past, and the Democrats defied the polls under his leadership in 2022 with the midterm, sure.
00:16:19.780But if the polls broadly, for the entire duration of this race, have broadly been accurate, he is losing.
00:16:26.820And so the thing that people need to hear in order to know that he can beat Donald Trump is how he's going to turn those polls around.
00:16:35.200What he's going to change in the campaign, what is going to change so that the current status quo, which is him losing, is not going to be the outcome.
00:16:45.580We've all been having what indicate, and certainly not as much as Republicans hoped.
00:16:53.380I mean, if you want to know what the polls say, listen to the Democrats who are desperate for Joe Biden to drop out of the race.
00:16:58.940I mean, regardless of what public data you see, when elected officials with access to their private polling, when high-ranking Democrats are out begging for Joe Biden to do the right thing and step aside, you know what the polls say.
00:17:11.360The fact is a tied race nationally means Donald Trump is going to win the Electoral College.
00:17:16.260I don't think this press conference, by the way, is going to change anything, whether he does well, whether he does poorly, or whether he does somewhere in the middle.
00:17:22.520First of all, he's already committed the gaffe of the day.
00:17:25.060I mean, he was trying to introduce President Zelensky of Ukraine.
00:17:30.340In terms of what the average American sees over the next 24 hours, they're going to see that clip of him messing up on the world stage over and over and over.
00:17:39.140And this press conference is not going to change it.
00:17:41.460But one press conference doesn't change what we know.
00:17:49.020I do think he's coming out on a carpet of prayer, and I'm one of them.
00:17:52.360I'm praying for him and his family to think hard about whether he's the right person to lead this country right now and certainly whether he can look into a camera with a straight face and tell the American people, I'm capable of leading it for the next four years.
00:19:45.120And I don't know that you can do a press conference and turn that around.
00:19:50.020There's the biggest problem he has is that he's running against a guy who was president, and he has a record.
00:19:56.140And the retrospective approval rating of that presidency is skyrocketing right now.
00:20:01.020So unless he can somehow get the economy to grow at, you know, five or greater every quarter from, you know, I mean, just the quarters are over.
00:20:10.840So, you know, again, I'm not trying to sow complacency.
00:20:13.400I just don't know what Biden can do to put people's fear at rest.
00:20:18.800I don't know that I buy that this race is quite that dynamic, Richard.
00:20:23.360To be honest with you, I think that you get dynamic races that shift as circumstances change, right?
00:20:29.540But here, what has caused this collapse in the Biden vote seems to be this searing image of a man in great decline without anyone in control.
00:20:39.960And it's unsettling, and it's just hard to get off of.
00:20:43.060Like, I don't know that good job numbers are going to fundamentally change how people are viewing Joe Biden right now.
00:20:48.860And one thing I noticed in the data I saw is that the Biden collapse seems to be quite gendered, actually.
00:20:54.600That women are not abandoning him as the same rate as men, but that President Trump's lead among men right now is like 28 points,
00:21:05.120which is really a ballast against any other type of shift that Biden could try to manufacture.
00:21:13.840Why do you think it's such a gendered split in how people have reacted following the debate?
00:21:18.660Yeah, I think part of that is human nature, and we see this in numbers among Hispanics.
00:21:25.000There are just, you know, there's something about human nature.
00:21:27.800Men are just uncomfortable with weakness.
00:21:31.380You know, and then I think men generally, you know, get older, and they know how different they are personally.
00:21:38.800You know, how much they can go out and, you know, do physical work or how much they could go out and tolerate a long day.
00:21:44.840So, you know, I do think there's something—
00:21:50.960Like, you go to any nursing home, and the ladies are all, like, gathered up, playing canasta together, high-fiving, hanging out.
00:21:59.320And the dudes, for the most part, are, like, you know, wondering who's going to change the bedpan next.
00:22:04.880So maybe it's that men kind of get the fact that women age better, and they see what they see in Joe Biden.
00:22:11.040And, you know, we see it all too often just to, you know—I think Axelrod was the commentator who's repeatedly gone to the line that father time is undefeated.
00:22:20.720There's also a lot of reporting right now that the Biden campaign is testing Harris straight up on Trump.
00:22:26.740And I want to get into this with you because either they've gone rogue and someone has just ordered a vendor to do this poll as part of the broader campaign to try to push Joe Biden out of the contest.
00:22:39.060Or there are some Biden people who actually believe Harris will test worse.
00:22:43.580We saw that Harris X poll that showed that Kamala Harris was actually losing by almost double the margin as Joe Biden.
00:22:50.900And I've looked at some of these swing state polls, and a lot of the voters there that Biden was able to appeal to in 2020 that might have voted for Trump in 2016,
00:22:59.660they look at Harris a lot more, like, through an image rating of a Hillary Clinton than they do a Joe Biden.
00:23:07.920So is the Harris heads-up poll on Trump meant to bolster Biden or discourage him from your standpoint?
00:23:15.460And then how do you think that image rating is going to play out in the battlegrounds?
00:23:19.080Yeah, I totally agree with that analogy to Hillary Clinton.
00:23:22.840We asked an interesting question, which is how comfortable are you with Kamala Harris basically being, you know, Biden heartbeat away from the presidency?
00:26:38.740How do you convince them that Biden is the person that needs to have all the horses behind him?
00:26:45.280Okay, now that's two different issues.
00:26:50.140Let me speak to the first and then the second, okay?
00:26:52.120You put out an anonymous quote that someone claims that Biden's aides are shielding him and beating the stuffing out of them when they try to express something.
00:27:02.500I was personally on a call that lasted well over an hour last Saturday where our president kept asking for input, asking for, give it to me straight, tell us what you're hearing.
00:33:06.280And, I mean, this is what is causing the inflation.
00:33:08.680I think that is the disconnect that a lot of leaders in Washington don't understand,
00:33:13.260that inflation and higher prices did not just emerge because some Wizard of Oz-like character behind some curtain twisted some dial somewhere.
00:33:22.060It is a direct consequence of our irresponsible decisions on spending and on the debt.
00:33:28.180And then we demand single-subject bills so that we can have amendments to put downward pressure on that spending.
00:33:33.500And it's our Republican colleagues who are off voting with the Democrats.
00:33:39.000So if there's going to be some fund-the-whole-government-all-at-once thing rolling our way,
00:33:45.020there absolutely has to be the attachment of the SAVE Act and some of the protections that President Trump has called for for election integrity.
00:33:53.380And, Andy, you're from right in the heart of this battle in Arizona, big Senate race, a number of very important House races.
00:34:02.040Of course, the electoral votes of Arizona are up for grabs.
00:34:05.820How do you assess the political climate in the state right now?
00:34:09.360You know, Cary Lake running an energetic campaign.
00:34:11.820A number of these House campaigns, like for the Lesko seat, getting very competitive.
00:34:16.380How hot is the Arizona political climate in July?
00:34:21.040Well, it's hotter than the 120-degree temperatures we have here, Matt.
00:35:59.120And I'm hoping that everybody comes back together and Donald Trump will be the reason that they come back together and the anti-Biden vote as well.
00:36:10.360One of those lively primaries involves our good friend Congressman Eli Crane in Arizona's 2nd District.
00:36:16.540Kevin McCarthy recruited a candidate to run against Eli Crane.
00:36:20.060But hilariously, the candidate that Kevin McCarthy recruited, their name was Jack Smith.
00:36:26.720So I guess, like, Hannibal Lecter IV wasn't available, and they ended up with Jack Smith.
00:36:31.780But what we've seen there is after two weeks of intense spending on the part of McCarthy and his allies, they've functionally abandoned the race.
00:36:39.240It turns out it took them hundreds of thousands of dollars to figure this out.
00:36:42.700But you cannot move voters in Arizona 2 off of Eli Crane and on to someone called Jack Smith.
00:36:49.000I probably could have told them that with a swift kick to the nuts, and it would have been less painful than what they've endured.
00:36:55.140But nonetheless, some lessons have to be learned.
00:36:57.900I do want to talk to you, Andy, about what we're seeing going on right now with the Democrats and Biden and this big Pelosi-Obama summit that we have seen.
00:37:09.460It seems to indicate to me that the big meeting is coming where they sit Joe Biden down and they get Valerie Jarrett, Susan Rice, Obama, Ron Klain, and they sit down, Jill and Hunter and Joe, and they say,
00:37:27.840hey, it's time for your next patriotic act.
00:37:30.560You've got to step aside so that we can all endorse Kamala Harris.
00:39:07.460I view the discussion between the group that you're talking about who's going to come to Joe Biden.
00:39:15.220This is going to be like those of us who had older parents and we had to do this is that important thing, especially in Arizona where driving is all important, is to go to your ancient, aged parent who is a danger on the road and say, look, dad, it's time that we need to take the car keys away.
00:40:35.960But actually, you frame it up in a different way than I than I thought about it.
00:40:40.260I viewed this as a as a psyop that basically they had to encircle Biden with a group of people now gain his trust and that ultimately that would be the group that would push him out.
00:40:51.320Sort of the the Goldwater Nixon moment that they did the watershed moment.
00:40:55.380But what you're saying is that is is you can get rid of all of the psychoanalysis.
00:41:00.220This is a business transaction, according to Andy Biggs, that at the end of the day, this is going to be about business.
00:41:06.180This is going to be about money. This is going to be about evading accountability for the things that have happened to our country and that and that ultimately that's the glide path.
00:41:14.960We had Richard Barris on earlier talking about how Kamala Harris in those blue wall states in the Midwest.
00:41:21.580She has an image rating that reflects more Hillary Clinton energy than a Joe Biden energy.
00:41:27.320If ultimately Kamala Harris does replace Biden on the ticket, how do you think that affects the the desert winds in Arizona?
00:41:36.180Well, she she's not going to do well in Arizona, I don't believe.
00:41:41.100And I'll tell you why. Kamala Harris is not liked by you know this, too, by Democrats in Congress, Democrats in the National Party.
00:41:49.460They just don't like her and they they don't trust her and they don't think she can deliver.
00:41:53.260And and that same sentiment goes in Arizona as difficult as this these moments are for them to finally get a grip that Joe Biden is what every what you and I knew and every American who was watching knows that he has been incapable for years to actually run the country.
00:42:11.200So they get there. They're just now coming to light with that.
00:42:15.380They have never trusted Kamala Harris.
00:42:17.300The so-called borders are they all know in Arizona.
00:42:20.640They know what's going on with the border.
00:42:22.700You've got a so-called borders are who's never been to the border.
00:42:42.240You're telling me the borders are activities can't occur from from the Naval Observatory.
00:42:46.640No, I actually actually Joe Biden appointing Kamala Harris.
00:42:51.400The borders are might have been the first failed mental competency test that we have on record with Joe Biden,
00:42:58.320because anyone that would put Kamala Harris in charge of anything has obviously failed their their mental competency test as vice president.
00:43:06.160I guess the theory was, you know, you send her to some funerals.
00:45:48.520I've got Congressman Andy Biggs with me.
00:45:50.840We've got the watch as our good friend Steve Bannon continues as a political prisoner in this country fighting for each and every one of us.
00:45:59.160Andy, they're all waiting for Joe Biden to make the decision.
00:46:02.440But it kind of looks like Joe Biden and Jill and Hunter have decided and people aren't willing to accept the decision.
00:46:08.900What do you what do you make of a lot of these commentators on the left forecasting an upcoming decision while at the same time the sitting declining president says the decision has been made?
00:46:21.700Well, you're right. I think Biden family has made their decision and their decision is to stay in the race.
00:46:29.540I kind of hope they do stay in the race.
00:46:30.960But but the the the reality is the left wing media that has gaslit Americans for three and a half years over Joe Biden.
00:46:40.680They're now trying to backpedal to somehow say that they're that they're real journalists.
00:47:34.940Well, yeah, I mean, there are people in the witness protection program we have seen more of than Joe Biden before that debate.
00:47:43.220I mean, they had they had totally bubble wrapped the guy in an honest question.
00:47:46.680The country might ask is, how could we believe a political party that was lying to us for quite some time about the condition of the president of the United States?
00:47:56.140And you mentioned the media like I've noticed the media is big mad about this.
00:48:01.220And I can only assume it's because on most things there is an understanding between the media and Democrats that they're going to work together to lie to the country about us, about the America first conservatives.
00:48:15.220And it seems to me the reason the media is so mad now is because they weren't cut in on the lie like that.
00:48:21.880The Democrats actually made the media go peddle this fiction that Joe Biden was together and with it and sharp.
00:48:29.040And that now the media is like, wait a second, it was supposed to be us lying to the country about the Republicans.
00:48:51.920I mean, think of this, you have this propaganda machine and all of a sudden the propagandists who thought they were in the know, they missed out on it.
00:49:02.180I mean, they missed out because they did it willfully, by the way.
00:49:08.000They all knew that Joe Biden was incompetent because everybody knows that Joe Biden's incompetent.
00:49:13.340I mean, but they felt hoodwinked because KJP was in there saying, hey, look, these are deep fakes.
00:49:21.160You know, these videos have been altered.
00:49:23.140When he goes to sit in a chair that isn't there or he's shaking hands with a ghost, any of those things that have happened over the last years, the media was, you know, that they were out there.
00:49:34.820Oh, no, you know, that's just not happening and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
00:49:39.600Co-conspirators. Co-conspirators at worst, I would say.
00:49:42.100Yeah. And now and that and you've seen it when I was when I was in practicing law, when co-conspirators go bad, they go mad and they start ratting each other out.
00:49:51.820And that's what's happening here. They're ratting each other out.