Bannon's War Room - Episode 3754： The Corporate Push To End Trumpism

00:00:00.000 We begin tonight with a deep dive into what Donald Trump and his sycophants have planned

00:00:04.380 for the Department of Justice under Project 2025 and how they would use the DOJ to attack

00:00:10.800 American citizens. The 28-page section of the project's manifesto covering the Department

00:00:16.240 of Justice and the FBI is a nightmarish play-by-play on how to turn the DOJ into the

00:00:22.960 Office of Vengeance. According to Hamilton and the folks at the Heritage Foundation,

00:00:27.340 the Department of Justice would no longer be independent in a second Trump administration.

00:00:33.060 On page 559, Hamilton writes, while the supervision of litigation is a DOJ responsibility,

00:00:40.080 the department falls under the direct supervision and control of the President of the United States

00:00:45.760 as a component of the executive branch. Thus, and putting aside criminal prosecutions that can

00:00:51.600 warrant different treatment, litigation decisions must be made consistent with the President's

00:00:58.600 agenda. That's what Project 2024-2025 is calling about. Project 2025 will deploy the Department

00:01:06.760 of Justice to prosecute Trump's enemies. That was the President of the United States,

00:01:12.620 Joseph Robinette Biden holding a very spirited campaign rally in Detroit, Michigan tonight.

00:01:19.540 We just took that live, clocking in around 30 minutes before an exuberant crowd. I am Chris

00:01:25.920 Hayes here in New York. I'm joined by my colleague Joy Reid, of course, the host of the readout just

00:01:32.360 before me. And, Joy, I want to first get your, my first read on this, and again, I think we've been

00:01:38.900 honest throughout about the various performances we've seen from this President, from the debate,

00:01:44.560 the Stephanopoulos interview, to the press conference. You know, that was by far, I think,

00:01:51.120 the best performance he's given to the State of the Union and looked like, you know, that's the Joe

00:01:55.940 Biden that, that has been a very successful politician and won in 2020. The right-wing

00:02:00.800 Project 2025 agenda that we've been covering here on this program. Just days ago at a conservative

00:02:06.640 conference, Homan said this, quote, Trump comes back in January. I'll be on his heels coming back

00:02:12.540 and I will run the biggest deportation force this country has ever seen. They ain't seen

00:02:17.860 it yet. Wait till 2025. Wait till 2025. What Trump and his allies have proposed is the New York Times

00:02:26.760 reports, quote, amounts to an assault on immigration on a scale unseen in modern American history.

00:02:33.420 Millions of undocumented immigrants would be barred from the country or uprooted from it years or even

00:02:39.580 decades after settling here. Such a scale of planned removals would raise logistical, financial,

00:02:45.720 and diplomatic challenges and would be vigorously challenged in court. But there is no mistaking

00:02:51.420 the breadth and ambition of the shift Mr. Trump is eyeing. Quote, they would finish the border wall.

00:02:56.900 They would go after illegal immigrants or even those who live with someone who is not here legally. 0.97

00:03:02.340 They would target people not born here but currently receiving protections like DACA recipients, 0.74

00:03:08.060 Ukrainians fleeing their country while it's at war, and Afghanistan evacuees who came here after the

00:03:14.880 Taliban took over their country. They would restrict legal visas that help victims of crime and 0.91

00:03:21.320 trafficking. And they say this specifically, quote, ICE enforcement and removal operations should be

00:03:27.200 identified as being primarily responsible for enforcing civil immigration regulations, including

00:03:33.720 the civil arrest, detention, and removal of immigration violators anywhere in the United States

00:03:40.740 without warrant where appropriate, subject only to the civil warrant requirements of the Immigration

00:03:47.480 and Nationality Act where appropriate.

00:03:50.180 So I think we have to take very seriously everything that's coming out of Project 25 and that President

00:03:57.020 Trump is talking about. I think there's no limit to what he'll try. The one silver lining, I think,

00:04:03.360 is that if there is military in the streets or there's National Guard or they're going around

00:04:10.260 neighborhoods pulling people out of homes and schools, I think the American people will react

00:04:15.580 to that. And the one thing that we saw in family separation is that people across the political

00:04:20.320 spectrum, across the ideological spectrum, came out and were repulsed by little children being taken

00:04:26.660 away. I think we're going to see that. I hope that we're going to see people saying enough is enough.

00:04:33.700 We want to approach the immigration that's balanced. We want a constructive approach and an efficient 1.00

00:04:39.600 system at the border. But we're not going to go in that lens where we're just going to be going

00:04:45.540 through neighborhoods with the National Guard, with the military pulling people out. And I know we're

00:04:50.920 going to talk about this, but it's not just the humanitarian issue. If you start deporting,

00:04:56.460 11 million people who are workers in this country, it is going to have an enormous effect,

00:05:02.180 a devastating effect on the economy. That's right. Democracy Forward has put together the

00:05:07.080 People's Guide to Project 2025. Not everyone has to go read all 900 pages of it. We've done that for

00:05:13.520 them. But what it really does is show and make accessible all of the great harms and threats to

00:05:19.820 democracy that are contained in the extremist playbook. I mean, to be clear, Project 2025 is an

00:05:26.080 existential threat to our democracy. And with regard to public education, you laid it out so

00:05:32.540 well in your introduction. The attacks that are contained in Project 2025 are designed to

00:05:39.920 fundamentally disrupt and dismantle public education in our country as we know it. Public

00:05:45.280 education is so core and fundamental to our nation's democracy. And I have the great fortune of

00:05:50.460 being able to work with communities, families, students, teachers in states and cities across

00:05:56.920 the country where they're on the front lines of some of these horrific ideas and seeing firsthand the

00:06:05.440 harms that are being perpetuated in these communities. And then knowing that Project 2025 is

00:06:11.060 really moms for liberty on steroids. Let's be clear, the people behind Project 2025 aren't seeking 1.00

00:06:17.520 just to undermine public education. They're seeking to undermine our democracy, delegitimize,

00:06:24.080 defund public education, roll back protections for marginalized groups, reduce funding for low-income

00:06:30.260 students, expand school privatization, and ultimately eradicate the Department of Education. And that is

00:06:35.660 something that will really hurt all of the students across the country. And people should be very worried

00:06:39.840 about that. I think folks know how extreme Donald Trump is. And I think one of the key factors that

00:06:46.140 folks need to know also is that less immigration means higher costs for American citizens. Right now we

00:06:52.040 have a significant labor shortage all across our country in our construction industry alone. We are

00:06:57.940 1 million workers short. Immigration, immigrants contribute to our economy, contribute to our GDP growth, 0.88

00:07:05.980 and are a significant factor on housing costs. And so the fact that we don't have enough workers,

00:07:11.480 even in the construction industry, and many other industries means higher costs. Those are the

00:07:16.320 economic implications of policies like Donald Trump's are going to result in increased costs for

00:07:23.640 American families. We cannot allow another Trump presidency to stain our nation's progress. And this

00:07:29.500 economic factor is a key one that also needs to be considered.

00:07:35.500 This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on

00:07:43.820 these people. Here's one time I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people. The

00:07:49.980 people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything

00:07:54.160 in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen.

00:07:56.960 And where do people like that go to share the big line? Mega Media. I wish in my soul, I wish

00:08:04.160 that any of these people had a conscience. Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?

00:08:11.120 If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.

00:08:17.300 War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.

00:08:20.740 Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard today's edition of The War Room here live from Washington,

00:08:32.340 D.C. Today is 13 July 2024, year of our Lord. And as we sit looking across the landscape,

00:08:40.440 looking across the horizon, the waterfront is what's going on. RNC starts on Monday. People are

00:08:46.540 flying in. I'll be flying into Milwaukee tomorrow because we are going straight to the Rust Belt to

00:08:52.340 figure out everything that happens. Joe Biden up on this rally that he holds in Michigan. He comes on

00:08:59.620 strong and you got Joy Reid, you got Chris Hayes up there. Oh, he's great. He's fantastic. But he can't

00:09:04.340 even tell you Project 2025. He can't even get the words out. He can't even figure out what he's going

00:09:09.100 to say because this is a presidency that has launched a national security crisis. This is not

00:09:16.860 a Republican or Democrat issue. This is an American issue. Who's in control of our nuclear arsenal?

00:09:24.280 Who's in control of Stratcom? Who's actually pressing the button? And you got all the stories

00:09:29.500 out now from Axios and Politico and all the rest. And it's amazing, by the way, because they'll say

00:09:33.920 Republicans and conservatives are pushing the conspiracy that Joe's age was a cover up. And then they put

00:09:38.900 my picture up there and Stephen Miller and Hannity and some other people. And I go, but wait a minute,

00:09:43.300 I'm reading your own articles that are talking about the fact that it was covered up. You're the

00:09:47.700 one saying that it's covered up. You're the one saying that the family running around in there,

00:09:51.620 like it's the Adams family hiding this guy, hiding the fact that he can't put two words together.

00:09:56.460 Then he goes up and starts growing around the DOJ, the DOJ, and Joy Reid saying how great it is. Yeah,

00:10:01.880 total sycophant. Don't worry, Joy. Don't worry. Everything's going to be fine. Everything's

00:10:06.640 going to be great. Joy Reid. Don't worry. 2025 is going to be glorious. In fact, I think it's going

00:10:13.900 to be one of your favorite years of your entire life. But then you've looked on the other side of

00:10:19.120 the ball. And what do we have on the other side of the ball? It's Rupert Murdoch. Let me tell you

00:10:24.020 something. I want to deliver a message directly to Rupert Murdoch. You do not get to pick the vice

00:10:30.240 president, Donald Trump, who was the choice of the voters of the party, the choice of the grassroots

00:10:36.880 and the choice of the people. He gets to pick who the vice president is, not you. And you got this

00:10:42.260 story out from notice. Rupert Murdoch lobbying Trump to pick Doug Burgum and not J.D. Vance.

00:10:47.220 Retired media mogul has been they say Rupert's calling him again and again and again saying,

00:10:51.380 oh, you got to you got to stay away from Vance. You know, he's no good. He's no good. He's terrible.

00:10:55.500 And here's what the consultant from Fox has been saying. Rupert has always viewed Trump as

00:11:01.940 subservient to him and wants to install a vice president who's there as a check on him. And it 0.92

00:11:08.880 bothers him. He's not looking to another four forward to another four years. Will he have to

00:11:13.700 kiss Trump's a double SS? They don't want Trump on Fox. And so they get Burgum on there and groom him 0.98

00:11:20.460 for the next four years and make him president. That's his way of ending Trumpism. They want to

00:11:26.020 install a corporate candidate to end Trumpism and to off ramp this stuff. I don't have any problem,

00:11:32.240 by the way, with this guy. I think he's I think he's a good guy. Fine, whatever. But the point is

00:11:36.200 the factions, the factions are now lined up to push someone who's pro Ukraine spending, who's pro open

00:11:43.640 borders, who's pro whatever the U.S. Chamber of Commerce wants. And that's what we want to stop. And I've

00:11:49.980 got sources on this, by the way. It's not just Rupert Murdoch. You got Ken Griffin. You got Paul

00:11:54.380 Singer. Karl Rove has been completely activated. McConnell's activating his networks even. And I'll

00:12:00.460 just say it. I'm going to say it. Kellyanne Conway has been activated. And I've got multiple sources

00:12:05.340 telling me that KAC, Kellyanne Conway, has been telling people that J.D. won't be the vice president.

00:12:11.700 I won't allow it. Well, here's the thing to Kellyanne Conway and to Rupert Murdoch and Ken Griffin

00:12:17.800 and everybody else out there. It's Donald Trump's decision. It's not your decision. You get to be a

00:12:24.260 voice in the room. He'll listen to people. But that's who he is. He's always been a man of the

00:12:30.060 people. He's always had an open door policy. But you don't get to make that choice. That is a choice

00:12:34.940 made by Donald Trump and Donald Trump only. And I and I want to be clear about this, that this is

00:12:41.200 something where I know J.D. wasn't there in 2016. I get that. OK. But you know what? J.D. has been there

00:12:46.700 holding the line when it comes to the globalist expansion of the NATO of the NATO national security

00:12:51.020 state. He's been there holding the line on immigration. And he's someone who's actually

00:12:55.220 been fighting the fight for taking MAGA forward in to the future, which is what we need. The choice,

00:13:02.720 of course, will be Donald Trump's. But you see what's going on, folks. You see the factions lining

00:13:07.420 up. You see the money lining up and the implied the implied understanding that, you know, if you block

00:13:13.980 this guy, maybe, maybe we'll write you a text. Let me tell you something. Donald J. Trump doesn't

00:13:18.740 need your money. Donald J. Trump doesn't need money with all of those strings attached because

00:13:25.140 this movement is a people's movement. This movement is about the working class people. And yet in the

00:13:31.860 Rust Belt, people like and I love the fact that the East Palestine mayor, they just announced he's

00:13:35.860 going to be speaking at the RNC. I think that's fantastic. Tucker Carlson, the news has come out

00:13:40.500 that he'll be speaking. AP's got a story that Peter Navarro. Yeah, that's right. Peter Navarro

00:13:46.240 will be leaving prison. And I don't know if there's been said in the war room yet. Peter Navarro will be

00:13:50.220 leaving prison down there, FCI Miami, flying directly to Milwaukee next Wednesday, and will be

00:13:57.120 addressing the RNC as well as appearing right here on the war room. So make sure you watch this. As we

00:14:04.500 know, Stephen K. Bannon, who I've been in contact with over email, is still serving is still serving

00:14:11.280 in this fight. He's behind bars. They've tried to lock him up. They have locked him up because they

00:14:16.380 want to try to silence him. It's not going to work because they can't silence all of us. We've got a

00:14:22.060 huge show pack show this morning. It's a busy Saturday. Look, I know it's Saturday, but the work

00:14:26.500 never stops because we're going to go all the way in. We're going to go in on Project 2025. And I know

00:14:31.600 that Joy Reid is going to be paying very close attention. I hope you do. I hope you do. Joy

00:14:35.880 Reid, sharpen your number two pencil because we're going to be having a fantastic conversation. We've

00:14:41.080 got Rasmussen coming on, Brian Costello, and then Raheem Kassam to give us a dispatch of what he

00:14:45.780 learned while he was over in Europe. Stay tuned. Huge show. Short break. We'll be right back here in

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00:16:21.300 Jack Selby back in the war room. By the way, I hadn't even seen this just crossed my desk over the

00:16:33.160 break here. The great Carly Bonet, shout out to the Midnight Rider, sends me the new press release, 1.00

00:16:40.340 Fox Nation, Rupert Murdoch's Fox Nation to debut weekly series, Here's the Deal, starring, oh,

00:16:47.460 Kellyanne Conway. So Rupert Murdoch is giving a special deal to Kellyanne Conway. How interesting.

00:16:54.420 That's very interesting. I'm so interested to see the same guy who's doing everything he can

00:17:00.300 to support the Ukraine war lobby, to support the U.S. Chamber of Commerce open borders lobby,

00:17:06.480 is now also activated with Kellyanne Conway. Okay, interesting. We're just following folks. We're

00:17:12.600 just following the news. We're just following what's going on out there. We're just

00:17:16.700 noticing things. We're just paying attention. And we're going to see where it is that the places

00:17:23.740 we find that the establishment gets very upset about. Now, one group of people that the establishment

00:17:29.480 is extremely upset about, as you guys all know, is called Project 2025. And so I said, you know what,

00:17:37.120 I'm sick of hearing the media talk about Project 2025. I'm sick of hearing MSNBC and Joy Reid. She's 0.87

00:17:42.880 going on and on and on about Project 25. And I said, why don't we go and actually talk to the guys

00:17:47.920 who were in charge of 2020? I'm not scared about it. I'm not terrified. I'm not going to cower. No,

00:17:52.960 we're going to have a conversation. And so that's why I'm excited to bring on now Steve Groves of the

00:17:57.660 Heritage Foundation, the co-editor of Project 2025, joins the war room. Steve, how are you today?

00:18:02.860 We may have lost Steve there for one second. So guys, let's check that out. I wasn't sure if that

00:18:17.660 was an audio issue on my end. We're just talking to him over the break. Let's make sure we can go

00:18:21.920 to get him back in. In the meantime, guys, do we have Mark Mitchell?

00:18:31.640 I am here. Testing.

00:18:34.180 So Denver, let's bring, hey, Mark Mitchell. So we're going to produce this on the fly here. So

00:18:40.820 Mark Mitchell, of course, the lead pollster for Rasmussen. I know I just did the intro for Heritage.

00:18:45.940 Looks like they're having some audio issues. We're going to figure that out. But I figure, hey,

00:18:48.960 let's switch things around. We're doing it live. It's a Saturday morning here in the war room.

00:18:53.580 And we are fired up. Mark Mitchell, now you've been looking at the polls. We've all seen the

00:18:58.240 collapse of Joe Biden. Here's my challenge to you. Do you think there's, and I've got this theory,

00:19:05.240 I've got this theory that Joe Biden has a way to turn this all around. And this is what I want to

00:19:11.460 talk about. Because he started to kind of do it where we know the American people love an underdog

00:19:18.720 story. We know they love an anti-establishment story. This has been Trump's story all along.

00:19:24.340 And now all of a sudden, Biden and some of his allies have started circling around this narrative

00:19:30.140 that it's Biden versus the elites, that it's Biden versus the establishment. And I see this as an

00:19:38.520 actual potential threat because he used to throw out this populist rhetoric throughout his career and

00:19:43.180 throughout the past. But of course, everyone knew that he was always on the side of the establishment

00:19:46.280 for 50 years up until literally the last two weeks. Mark Mitchell, what are you seeing in the

00:19:53.720 numbers? And is there a path forward here for Biden to actually cobble back some of that support?

00:19:59.340 Well, he did cobble back some of the support. There's no way Joe Biden is ever going to wash the

00:20:06.180 stink of establishment off of himself. I mean, just in our COVID polling, a majority of Joe Biden's

00:20:12.520 strong supporters wanted to throw the unvaccinated in jail. People aren't going to forget that. 1.00

00:20:17.500 And every time I run a poll, the biggest signal is always in Biden approval. I really do think

00:20:23.340 this is a referendum on Biden. And a vast majority of Republicans and a really strong majority of

00:20:30.300 independents really don't trust authority and blame it all on Joe Biden. But from where the race is

00:20:36.940 at, we have new post-debate matchup numbers back. And the headline here is Trump still leading by a

00:20:44.300 pretty solid margin. He's up six points. But that's actually down from 10 points pre-debate.

00:20:51.380 Now, where we were at is we showed Joe Biden imploding like all of the way through the spring

00:20:57.320 and all the other pollsters weren't there yet. It's almost like the debate gave them permission

00:21:02.280 to catch up to where we're at. But we poll a lot and we catch these swings. And the truth is

00:21:08.060 the big movements pre and post-debate is that Democrats circled the wagon around this guy.

00:21:14.680 Now, yeah, here you can see all of our presidential polling from the last year and a half, everything,

00:21:21.700 this race. And I mean, like, I think to me, if you look, the big takeaway is that Donald Trump's

00:21:30.060 numbers are kind of steady at 48, 49 percent. And Joe Biden is locked in there down at the bottom.

00:21:38.140 He's got a long way to make up. What I will say is I've seen Republicans blow bigger leads. And so

00:21:47.680 my advice to the Trump camp, it doesn't really matter what Democrats in there focus on winning

00:21:53.800 down ballot, focus on a good turnout, focus on maintaining that five to 10 point lead.

00:22:00.040 And I think over time, you're going to see that happen. If you can you have Denver bring up chart

00:22:05.280 two. I think that's the most important one that really shows us where we're at. This is all of

00:22:09.440 our polling with Donald Trump over the last 10 plus years. And everybody says all polling's inaccurate.

00:22:15.380 Everybody says, well, Rasmussen's a right wing pollster. But I put the final reported vote,

00:22:20.280 national popular vote margin on Trump versus Clinton. And these are moving averages to swing

00:22:25.780 out, to smooth out all the swings. And we were dead accurate in 2016 and 2020. And if anything,

00:22:32.100 in our polling, Joe Biden did better than he did in the final reported results. And now if you look

00:22:37.680 at where Trump's at 2024 to 2020, he's solidly up. And if you look at where Biden's at, he's still

00:22:45.660 down about 10 points from where he was four years ago. And, you know, polls change over time,

00:22:52.040 but our waiting maybe changed one or two points over this period or methodology didn't change all

00:22:57.380 that much. So like Biden, Biden is getting beat. Every time we test a Biden replacement, they poll

00:23:04.540 about like where Biden is. People know who Trump and Biden are. I think they've mostly made up their

00:23:12.360 minds. And it's going to be really tough for the Democrats to catch up. I don't think they can put

00:23:18.560 anybody in there, but they have, as you know, and as you've mentioned, some aces up their sleeve.

00:23:24.520 There's major ways they could change this race. And it's cynical to say, but one of the big ones is to 0.99

00:23:30.600 put Trump in jail, which they do have the opportunity to do. Now, as a pollster, I can't

00:23:36.360 at all predict how things like that are going to change the race. But this debate really didn't.

00:23:41.940 And before the debate, voters told us, well, Trump's probably going to win 10 points lead

00:23:46.840 they gave to Trump. After the debate, they said, well, Trump won by 35 points. But then if you see

00:23:52.620 here. So when you go when you let's let's clue in on that specifically. So in the debate, pre-debate,

00:23:59.780 post-debate, where did you see the biggest delta? Where did you see the biggest change in support

00:24:05.200 demographic wise, age wise or gender wise, you know, education, non-education? Where

00:24:11.600 where was that biggest shift? It was mostly in left or leaning groups. It was Democrats who said

00:24:19.280 by and large, oh, no, there's no way Trump's going to win. Biden is so, so smart. He's been in DC for

00:24:26.140 50 years. And then post-debate, I think the Democrats went from 70 or 67 points. Biden's going to win down

00:24:33.160 to like 49 points. And more people, more Democrats said that Trump won. But the problem is, is that now

00:24:39.120 more Democrats are supporting Biden in the race. I'd almost call it a pity bounce or circling the

00:24:44.880 wagons. You know, after that performance, Joe Biden has an 80 point approval rating among Democrats

00:24:51.380 right now, which is like the highest it's been all year. Now, will that abate some? Maybe. But I mean,

00:24:57.400 maybe they just didn't like the mean orange man picking on their candidate. I think that's what

00:25:02.540 couldn't, you know, I think Trump's doing the right thing right now. Let the Democrats have their

00:25:07.500 circling firing squad. This is what people have called a civil war. I think that's probably really

00:25:13.560 accurate. And all they're doing right now is probably hurting their candidates' chances,

00:25:18.020 throwing all these slings and arrows at Biden. It's not affecting the Democrats,

00:25:21.840 but it's affecting the independents. Trump's up like 15, 16 points among independents now in the

00:25:27.040 latest matchup numbers. And independents also said that Joe Biden got beat in that debate by a massive

00:25:33.280 amount. So you're seeing it twofold. It's two fronts now. So the independents are being driven

00:25:39.320 to Trump more because of the Democrat civil war that's ensued, but then also because they saw Joe

00:25:45.900 Biden's performance, his disastrous performance at the rally. What about this press conference? What

00:25:50.080 about this roundtable, this, you know, 20, we saw the numbers, if they're to be believed,

00:25:55.180 they're saying 24 million people tuned into this thing. Did you, have we seen, or is it early enough

00:26:00.020 that we've seen any shift in the numbers since that press conference?

00:26:04.300 You know, we're talking about minute movements in the news cycle when there's been videos of Joe

00:26:12.140 Biden falling downstairs for three years. At this point, if you're willing to have an open mind about

00:26:18.380 Joe Biden's incompetence or mental acuity problems, like 57 percent of voters already knew

00:26:25.880 going into the debate. So I don't think the press conference is going to solidify anything. I really

00:26:30.740 just think this is a test of the media's ability to either gaslight people or the Democrats' apparent

00:26:39.060 willingness to vote for a ham sandwich, basically. You know, really just bringing it back to the race.

00:26:45.940 Trump was leading by 10 before the debate. Now he's leading just by six. And you can look at where he

00:26:52.960 picked up and lost. And, you know, he picked up. Joe Biden is doing 13 points better among Democrats.

00:27:01.500 So essentially the crossover advantage that Trump had all year is gone. Trump is doing way better

00:27:08.800 among Hispanic and other race voters. But that, you know, swings around. He's awash with Republicans

00:27:15.960 and it's awash with independents on the debate. Now, you know, independents were horrified by that

00:27:21.340 debate performance. But again, it just hasn't it hasn't changed the race much. Younger voters,

00:27:28.940 Biden is doing four and a half points better than he was doing pre-debate. I think at the end of the

00:27:34.100 day, we may call this noise. Trump is winning solidly. But again, I think, you know, we could talk

00:27:42.260 about election integrity issues. National popular vote may not matter as much as it does in a post

00:27:49.220 2020 world. And voters have a lot of concern about election integrity and integrity. I can tell you

00:27:56.180 that. Mark Mitchell, thank you so much. Joining us from Rasmussen reports, top pollster. We need to be

00:28:02.600 focused on those people. Signal, not noise. Don't listen to the noise. Focus on exactly what's going

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00:31:02.260 I got a comment in here from Eric Balling, who just sent me a comment in on Twitter, because we know

00:31:09.340 that. So I mentioned that Tucker Carlson is going to be speaking at the RNC and Eric Balling, Eric

00:31:14.540 Balling comments. So does Fox cut away from Tucker Carlson in primetime or do they hold their

00:31:21.380 collective nose and run the speech? And he says, whatever it is, I'll be watching there intently.

00:31:26.560 So there's a question for you, Rupert. Rupert, are you going to carry Tucker Carlson's speech after you

00:31:31.160 fired him? Are you going to leave him up on your network? Are you going to be forced to have him on or

00:31:36.100 not after you let him go? So you're trying. So Rupert Murdoch is trying to pick who the vice

00:31:40.420 president is going to be while Donald Trump is putting a man on stage who Rupert Murdoch

00:31:46.320 just fired. Kind of interesting, kind of interesting how that all works out. Talking about someone else

00:31:50.540 who's on the outs with the establishment. I mentioned before, I think we've got him back

00:31:53.420 now. Steve Grobes, the co-editor of Project 2025 from the Heritage Foundation. Steve, I want to make

00:31:59.180 sure. Do we have you? Guys, do we have Steve? I'm not sure what's going on with that, folks,

00:32:14.440 but we're going to go. So, you know, they must be working double hard to keep Project 2025 away from

00:32:20.600 the war room, but never fear because we've got to back up and play, as they say, in the military.

00:32:25.840 Two is one, one is none. Brian Costello now from Shift AI joined the war room. Brian, how are you

00:32:31.040 today? Good, Jack. How are you doing? Someone doesn't want you to have that segment, huh?

00:32:35.960 I'm telling you, we keep talking, and I'll just be clear with the audience. We keep talking to him

00:32:39.980 during the break and everything's fine. And then we go, I call him up here and it just doesn't

00:32:44.380 happen. But Brian, it's interesting because you and I, I think, have been of a mind in talking about

00:32:49.820 the shadowy forces that are trying to push Joe Biden out of office right now. Because what we are

00:32:54.940 looking at, and I was on with Darren Beattie here the other day, and I said, we need to bring back

00:32:58.740 hashtag Stop the Steal, but for Joe Biden, because they're trying to coup him out of the White House.

00:33:03.980 And it seems to me that a lot of the congressmen, Mark Warner over in the Senate, Jim Himes of the

00:33:10.320 House Intel Committee and the Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, then Mark Warner, of

00:33:14.380 course, the chair, very powerful chair of the Senate Intel Committee, who's joined with the

00:33:17.840 intelligence community at the hip, all of these forces conspiring against Biden, who's really behind

00:33:24.020 this push right now?

00:33:25.960 You know, it's pretty amazing, Jack, right? Because you look at like, we'll go into the Garland thing

00:33:33.280 for a second, right? So here you have a president who they said wasn't fit to stand trial. But at that

00:33:39.300 time, nobody had a problem with him running for four more years of president, right? And now we're seeing

00:33:45.240 the tapes hidden by the attorney general who controls, you know, obviously has tight relationships

00:33:51.060 into the intelligence community. You see an organized apparatus, right? All of a sudden,

00:33:57.580 the media, I actually didn't think Biden did too bad in his public speech for a guy that's been,

00:34:03.080 as he said, falling downstairs for three years, right? And but all of a sudden, the media is lockstep

00:34:08.580 in sync, right? And we know the media typically gets its marching orders from the intelligence

00:34:13.320 community, right? The leaks get put in by different people. So I think there's an all out effort. It's

00:34:19.480 a question of do we see the tapes come up, you know, at some point. So there's a lot of people

00:34:25.680 that want to.

00:34:26.140 Well, Brian, let me let me let me just pop in here real quick, because it's not just about

00:34:29.920 do we see the tapes come out? This is highly incumbent on Speaker Johnson, everyone who's in

00:34:36.740 the House Republican Committee right now. It's it's clear. Okay. And Anna Paulina Luna had the

00:34:42.120 inherent contempt petition that was up there on the House floor, and they wouldn't vote for it.

00:34:47.420 And who voted against it? Who was protecting Garland? It was also these congressmen who have

00:34:51.740 direct ties to the intelligence community. Because I think to me, from my mind, I'll put money on this,

00:34:56.520 I will put money on this. The content and enjoy read and Midas touch and Patriot takes and all you

00:35:03.020 little all you little Midas touchers out there, pay very close attention to what I'm about to say,

00:35:07.200 because I want you to print this. The tapes from special counsel her do not match the transcription.

00:35:16.080 I'm telling you right now, we already know that Biden staff is running around and they're doctoring

00:35:20.460 all the tapes. When he does these interviews, they're planning questions, they're doing everything

00:35:24.600 they can to protect this guy. Why are they so terrified of the her tapes? Why won't they let

00:35:29.000 the her tapes come out? Why won't they do this? I'll tell you right now, because it doesn't match 0.91

00:35:32.780 the transcription because the transcription is sanitized. I guarantee you that what you will

00:35:37.560 see on those tapes does not match. They are lying to you. That is why they won't release the tapes.

00:35:43.320 That's why they're terrified of this. And her remember for all the attacks they threw on him and

00:35:47.300 they said, Oh, well, you know, he's he's making this political, he's making it partisan. He's the one who

00:35:52.160 said first that Joe from an independent position that Joe Biden has dementia. Well, guess what?

00:35:57.800 That aged pretty well, didn't it? Brian, go ahead. Yeah. I mean, listen, there's a disconnect,

00:36:02.340 right? If you read the transcripts, right? All they say was, Oh, there was some extra eyes and

00:36:06.400 ants. They decided from these transcripts that he wasn't fit to stand trial. Okay. So just on that,

00:36:12.620 you know, along the video says something different than the transcripts, right? And, you know,

00:36:17.120 this is a pretty consequential submission by the DOJ to a court, right? That he wasn't fit to stand

00:36:23.840 trial. And this is why they decided when they actually taking his political opponent through

00:36:29.280 trial for through trial for something that's not even as bad. So there's a there's a huge disconnect

00:36:33.580 there. And Jack, where you're circling around, and I think you're right. You know, President Trump

00:36:40.000 right now needs to call for the removal of Mike Turner as chairman of the House Intel. House Intel is a

00:36:46.400 place where we hold the gavel. We can subpoena. And I can tell you, I know specifically what

00:36:53.540 Turner's done since McCarthy put him in that role. He immediately fired all the investigators on the

00:36:58.460 Russia hoax team, remove them. He started going to dinners with Schiff. He literally voted the first

00:37:06.940 time not to censor Schiff, right? He first time he voted not to move forward with the impeachment of

00:37:12.180 Mallorca is. Now he's gone against 99% of his party, President Trump. And he's voted not to hold

00:37:18.940 Garland in content and inherent contempt for basically what we what we know is happening here

00:37:26.380 is there they doctored transcripts and they're hiding the video. This isn't, you know, this isn't

00:37:31.820 an executive privilege thing. This is, you know, you have a crime here.

00:37:35.240 And not only that, what was it? What was what was Turner? What was Turner immediately prior to Trump

00:37:43.120 taking office? He was the head of the NATO permanent parliamentary assembly, the president

00:37:49.300 of the NATO parliamentary assembly from 2014 to 2016. This is the guy who was holding stuff up.

00:37:55.660 That's why when Anna Paulina Luna goes up there and says, well, can we just watch the tapes? Can we

00:38:00.140 watch the tapes in the Schiff? And they say, no, you can't do that. Why can't we watch it in the

00:38:03.340 Schiff? This is protected. There's no disclosure. There's no leaks unless Adam Schiff is going to be

00:38:08.080 there. So why can't we see get Schiff in the Schiff? So why can't we do that? And it's very

00:38:12.300 clear. And I think Brian Costello, you are 100% correct. And I agree with you. And I'll stake

00:38:16.680 everything on this. They doctored that transcript. They're lying to the American people. And the only

00:38:21.700 person who isn't lying, by the way, right now is Robert Herr, because he's the one who came out and

00:38:27.300 said directly with all of the headwinds against him after being appointed by Garland himself,

00:38:33.340 and that's who's who is actually in charge of this stuff. You think Joe Biden is the one running up

00:38:37.360 there running all these operations. Biden doesn't even remember that he had the conversations even

00:38:42.200 know he was talking to that. That was a special counsel. They said this guy couldn't possibly

00:38:45.900 be brought up on charges because he doesn't realize he's got no mens rea. He doesn't have

00:38:50.800 the criminal culpability of mind, the mental state to actually be able to commit a crime because he

00:38:55.420 can't commit anything. That's what's going on to the American people. President Trump, I'm going to

00:39:00.160 co-sign this. President Trump should go to Speaker Johnson right now. Put it up on True Social.

00:39:05.900 President Trump, call for Mike Turner to lose his chairmanship of the committee on intelligence.

00:39:13.220 Have him lose this because he's protecting the intel community. He's protecting Merrick Garland.

00:39:17.540 And ultimately, he's protecting Joe Biden. Brian Costello.

00:39:21.100 Yeah, so the chair of the House Intel Committee is an extremely important position. This guy was

00:39:27.560 put in place by McCarthy, right? He serves. It's a select committee. So he serves at the bequest of

00:39:35.500 the Speaker of the House. OK, you need someone who is going to protect the integrity of the republic

00:39:42.840 in this position, not somebody who's trying to indoctrinate himself into the uniparty as part of

00:39:48.100 this. So it's very, I mean, the votes, if you look up and down his votes, I mean, this guy called

00:39:53.420 his colleague, this guy called his colleagues who were against Ukraine funding because they wanted

00:40:00.520 controls, Russia propagandists, right? This guy is not, he's not fit for this. His entire staff

00:40:07.940 is, you know, cronies he bought over who have no intelligence, you know, no intelligence background

00:40:13.280 whatsoever. You need somebody with some gumption, not the dunce from Dayton in this. And, you know,

00:40:19.160 Steve, Steve would be proud of me getting that in. And it's not Mike Turner. Mike Turner needs to be

00:40:24.900 removed immediately from this position.

00:40:28.260 Look, President Trump had a strong ally at House Intel at HIPC when Devin Nunes was there. And we

00:40:35.760 remember the power, I remember this, of hashtag release, the memo of everything that he was able

00:40:40.840 to put together with, oh, that's right. Also my friend and colleague, Cash Patel, who was there

00:40:45.600 working with Devin Nunes on HIPC to be able to put all this stuff out because they were running

00:40:50.480 the counter coup to everything that was going on during Russiagate. Russiagate, I might add,

00:40:55.440 by the way, something that has been completely championed and endorsed by who? That's right.

00:41:00.580 Marco Rubio. Little Marco went all in on Russiagate. He was always there to defend Mueller. He wasn't

00:41:07.020 helping to release the memo. He wasn't helping on the counter coup. No, it was Marco Rubio who worked

00:41:12.700 with them to deny President Trump a full first term in office because every single media story,

00:41:20.820 every narrative, every single day, it was the drip, drip, drip, drip, drip from the Mueller

00:41:24.200 investigation. And they held that over everyone's head. They held it over Steve Bannon's head. They

00:41:28.080 held it over the White House. They held it over everyone. They said, oh, Bannon was running around

00:41:32.460 the world, meeting with Russia. And it was all a joke. It was all a complete and utter joke. Brian 0.79

00:41:37.420 Costello, walk me through, how did they use the media in order to launder these narratives to get

00:41:43.700 leverage? How did House Intel use the media to deliver this? Well, the Intel community, the community.

00:41:51.380 Oh, so what you always see is, you know, they have great media contacts, right? So they'll see leaked

00:41:55.960 stories. So a lot of times people think when people are compromised, right, within Congress or within

00:42:02.340 these committees, what they're worried about, why they tend to always vote in line, isn't somebody

00:42:07.680 who sits in a room and says, you need to vote this way. What they know is that there's information on

00:42:12.860 them. And that information by the intelligence community will be leaked into the media. It might

00:42:18.660 be information on an affair. It might be information on, you know, another problem, right? And so the

00:42:25.520 intelligence community doesn't walk in and threaten congressmen. They just kind of know to fall in

00:42:30.640 line once there's some dirt on them that's actually surfaced. And that dirt might surface

00:42:35.500 as part of something like regularly. The FBI and different groups will look at, and I don't think

00:42:42.300 a lot of people know this, and it's not necessarily regularly. They'll go in and look at congressional

00:42:46.920 devices just to make sure there's no foreign actor that's influenced a cell phone or laptops or things

00:42:54.020 like that. And during that process, they actually find things, right, on occasion. So you know if

00:43:00.400 there's information on you out there and the intelligence community and the FBI and, you know,

00:43:05.800 the IC groups, there's a lot of IC groups know that, then, you know, this is, and this is what

00:43:09.960 we need to understand. Go ask Anthony Wiener about that. Brian Costello. Stay tuned right back. Quick

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00:44:24.580 Here's your host, Stephen K. Mann.

00:44:33.700 Jack Posobiec back here in the war room. And I want to say something else about special counsel

00:44:38.040 Robert Herr, because Robert Herr isn't doing anything to get these tapes out either. Robert Herr,

00:44:43.740 by the way, made the special negotiation. And I'm hearing now from top DOJ officials that Robert Herr

00:44:50.480 made the negotiation with the Biden campaign, or excuse me, the Biden administration, so that

00:44:56.040 Robert Herr wouldn't have to video record Biden, that the entire interviews were audio recorded

00:45:03.520 only. So they got down the video. Ken Starr, when he was going and doing the depositions of

00:45:08.600 Bill Clinton, through the Lewinsky investigation, where Clinton lied repeatedly again and again,

00:45:14.140 that was on video. We know that was on video. But Biden was smart enough or able to at least to get

00:45:20.660 his people to go over to her and her didn't push for video. So I don't want people thinking that

00:45:25.860 Robert Herr is some big savior here that he's going to be like the next, you know, the next coming of

00:45:32.520 MAGA. He's not some MAGA guy. In fact, he's a DOJ guy. He's a guy like Bill Barr and Rod Rosenstein

00:45:39.900 and all these types who at the end of the day, we know where their loyalty lies. Their loyalty lies

00:45:46.160 with the company. Their loyalty lies with the department. Their loyalty lies with the people

00:45:51.680 who put them in power in the first place, not with the president. So don't think that you're going to

00:45:56.800 be able to pick someone as your AG or your deputy AG and slip them in there just because they did

00:46:01.480 a move on Biden. We know that they're trying to move on Biden, but they're going to move on Biden

00:46:06.420 and then try to get in with Trump again. Don't let it happen. This is my warning. Do not trust

00:46:12.060 special counsel Robert Herr either. Because remember, at the end of the day, he is one of

00:46:17.380 them. He's not one of us. Brian Costello, we were talking about this before about how this

00:46:22.420 permanent, this permanent bureaucracy has used places and people and influence and dirt all

00:46:29.080 throughout the years to be able to control these governments and control presidents. And this goes all

00:46:34.300 the way back to JFK and others, doesn't it? Yeah. And there's going to be there's going to be two

00:46:38.580 things in play here, Jack. Right. Obviously, there's hey, let's let's try and keep the establishment

00:46:44.940 in place and not clean out the swamp and the unit party in the intelligence state.

00:46:53.120 Let's try and keep the president in place. But the second thing is in play is like, OK,

00:46:57.260 how do they intimidate people in the event that when Trump wins? Right. How do they intimidate

00:47:02.580 people not to do the right thing and surface some of the things? And we know we saw the ultimate in

00:47:06.800 that with General Flynn, you know, who's going to run the National Security Council. So that

00:47:11.320 intimidation and all that stuff is is starting to take place. So you see guys like her, like,

00:47:16.860 you know, a lot of times they set out to kind of do the right thing. But then they have to make a

00:47:20.540 very difficult call in terms of going against the establishment. And a lot of them are on the side

00:47:26.480 of what's going to impact them personally. Right. So it's very difficult for people personally.

00:47:30.860 You know, you know, it's few and far between, like, you know, Steve Bannon and Peter Navarro,

00:47:35.720 who end up in in jail over the right position. Most people just kind of fall in line with the party.

00:47:41.060 So we have to be very careful. That's what also is being set up here is to intimidate people that

00:47:46.240 might go in should should, you know, when Trump wins the election.

00:47:51.320 Look, we talk about this. So we've got the book on humans. Steve Bannon wrote the forward to this

00:47:56.900 thing before he ended up where he is now. And we talked about the fact that they do not place

00:48:03.420 competence at the top of their list. They do not place virtue, loyalty to the country, loyalty to

00:48:10.200 the people. It's meaningless to these people. What are they loyal to? They're loyal to the party.

00:48:15.940 They're loyal to the cause. They're loyal to whatever. How else do you explain, by the way,

00:48:21.720 a Pete Buttigieg? How else do you explain a Kamala Harris rising to the heights of power in their

00:48:26.780 movement? Because it isn't it isn't centered around loyalty to people or certainly not competence in

00:48:32.860 either case. And in that instance, no, it has to do with who is more loyal to the cause, who's more

00:48:39.760 ruthless, who's more willing to take action based on those in power. Now, what's interesting now,

00:48:46.300 and this is what we see on the Democrat side and Mark Mitchell from Rasmussen was just talking about

00:48:49.700 it, is you're starting to see the Democrat civil war because the seams are starting to become

00:48:55.860 visible. They're starting to be revealed. And I'm telling people and I'm seeing people in the chat,

00:49:01.380 folks are going to look, folks are going to look and see that Biden is now up against the

00:49:08.760 establishment. And there are going to be people, there are going to start to be people that say,

00:49:12.560 you know what, maybe Biden is an anti-establishment guy. And I predict that you're going to see some

00:49:18.120 numbers tick back in his direction purely on the face of the fact that he won't leave in the same

00:49:24.060 way that people are going. That's why it's incumbent on folks to actually target him right now. That's

00:49:29.560 why I want these tapes to come out. And of course, yes, they are audio tapes. There's no video because

00:49:34.120 for some reason, special counsel Robert Herr wasn't interested in getting video of the president of

00:49:38.840 the United States committing these crimes. It's very interesting. Why is that, Brian?

00:49:43.720 You know, I don't know. I mean, Jack, I think you're right around the issue. Like what we better

00:49:50.680 be very careful of here is I think what's playing is exactly what you're saying. So Biden's now becoming

00:49:56.740 the anti-establishment candidate, right? The establishment's against him. And at the same time,

00:50:01.800 you're starting to see a lot of press around Trump, the establishment switching to Trump,

00:50:06.820 all these big donors with investments in China and everything else. And I'd be very careful here

00:50:11.960 because, you know, we haven't, my prediction is October surprises come before October and you're

00:50:18.520 going to see them do something with the weaponization of the DOJ, something that hasn't been done yet.

00:50:24.520 Right. And they're going to go after him in other ways. You know, Biden alluded to that. Remember the

00:50:30.280 video with him walking away saying like, you know, we're not done yet. There's going to be other

00:50:35.040 things that like actually happened. So I think you're spot on. I think Biden thinks he can win

00:50:40.220 because of what he's going to do moving forward and the people around him. And we better be very

00:50:45.680 careful. He's going to go for the sympathy play. He's going to go for, I'm standing up for the

00:50:51.240 working man. I'm the populist. I'm getting the crowd support. That's why I'm sticking in this.

00:50:57.020 I'm against the establishment. I'm against the elites, which by the way, even if he goes down that

00:51:02.320 road, the entire thing is going to be, as they would say in the pro wrestling world, a work,

00:51:07.240 it's called a work shoot. And a work shoot means when the establishment, now in that case, it's,

00:51:12.160 you know, it's Vince McMahon and the writer's room and Triple H and all those guys. And they come out

00:51:16.640 and say, Oh, this is all happening behind the scenes. And it's, it's terrible. It's horrible. But,

00:51:21.740 you know, we got to push forward, but ultimately they're all in on it and they will all be in on it

00:51:27.980 because if for whatever reason, they can't get rid of Biden, they're going to be in and controlling

00:51:32.340 his administration the same way they control him. Now, the real question is whether or not they

00:51:38.340 cut a deal. And I think you're going to see over the next 24, 48, 72 hours, a really, really strong

00:51:45.060 phase of pushing Biden up because they're, they're done with the asking phase. Now they're moving to

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00:52:05.360 that he hasn't had a captive being in a while. The Obama's been running the whole thing all 0.76

00:52:10.220 along. Almost a full year. Go get Brian Costello a follow. You check him out. Stay tuned. Quick

00:52:16.640 break. Right back. Hour two. We'll read continues.

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Bannon's War Room - July 13, 2024

Episode 3754： The Corporate Push To End Trumpism

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