Episode 3754: The Corporate Push To End Trumpism
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Project 2025 has a mission: turn the Justice Department into the office of vengeance. In a second Trump administration, the DOJ would no longer be independent from the president s agenda. It would be run by the White House, and the FBI would be tasked with bringing the president's enemies to trial.
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We begin tonight with a deep dive into what Donald Trump and his sycophants have planned
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for the Department of Justice under Project 2025 and how they would use the DOJ to attack
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American citizens. The 28-page section of the project's manifesto covering the Department
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of Justice and the FBI is a nightmarish play-by-play on how to turn the DOJ into the
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Office of Vengeance. According to Hamilton and the folks at the Heritage Foundation,
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the Department of Justice would no longer be independent in a second Trump administration.
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On page 559, Hamilton writes, while the supervision of litigation is a DOJ responsibility,
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the department falls under the direct supervision and control of the President of the United States
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as a component of the executive branch. Thus, and putting aside criminal prosecutions that can
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warrant different treatment, litigation decisions must be made consistent with the President's
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agenda. That's what Project 2024-2025 is calling about. Project 2025 will deploy the Department
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of Justice to prosecute Trump's enemies. That was the President of the United States,
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Joseph Robinette Biden holding a very spirited campaign rally in Detroit, Michigan tonight.
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We just took that live, clocking in around 30 minutes before an exuberant crowd. I am Chris
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Hayes here in New York. I'm joined by my colleague Joy Reid, of course, the host of the readout just
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before me. And, Joy, I want to first get your, my first read on this, and again, I think we've been
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honest throughout about the various performances we've seen from this President, from the debate,
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the Stephanopoulos interview, to the press conference. You know, that was by far, I think,
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the best performance he's given to the State of the Union and looked like, you know, that's the Joe
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Biden that, that has been a very successful politician and won in 2020. The right-wing
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Project 2025 agenda that we've been covering here on this program. Just days ago at a conservative
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conference, Homan said this, quote, Trump comes back in January. I'll be on his heels coming back
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and I will run the biggest deportation force this country has ever seen. They ain't seen
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it yet. Wait till 2025. Wait till 2025. What Trump and his allies have proposed is the New York Times
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reports, quote, amounts to an assault on immigration on a scale unseen in modern American history.
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Millions of undocumented immigrants would be barred from the country or uprooted from it years or even
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decades after settling here. Such a scale of planned removals would raise logistical, financial,
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and diplomatic challenges and would be vigorously challenged in court. But there is no mistaking
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the breadth and ambition of the shift Mr. Trump is eyeing. Quote, they would finish the border wall.
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They would go after illegal immigrants or even those who live with someone who is not here legally.
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They would target people not born here but currently receiving protections like DACA recipients,
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Ukrainians fleeing their country while it's at war, and Afghanistan evacuees who came here after the
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Taliban took over their country. They would restrict legal visas that help victims of crime and
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trafficking. And they say this specifically, quote, ICE enforcement and removal operations should be
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identified as being primarily responsible for enforcing civil immigration regulations, including
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the civil arrest, detention, and removal of immigration violators anywhere in the United States
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without warrant where appropriate, subject only to the civil warrant requirements of the Immigration
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So I think we have to take very seriously everything that's coming out of Project 25 and that President
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Trump is talking about. I think there's no limit to what he'll try. The one silver lining, I think,
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is that if there is military in the streets or there's National Guard or they're going around
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neighborhoods pulling people out of homes and schools, I think the American people will react
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to that. And the one thing that we saw in family separation is that people across the political
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spectrum, across the ideological spectrum, came out and were repulsed by little children being taken
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away. I think we're going to see that. I hope that we're going to see people saying enough is enough.
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We want to approach the immigration that's balanced. We want a constructive approach and an efficient
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system at the border. But we're not going to go in that lens where we're just going to be going
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through neighborhoods with the National Guard, with the military pulling people out. And I know we're
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going to talk about this, but it's not just the humanitarian issue. If you start deporting,
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11 million people who are workers in this country, it is going to have an enormous effect,
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a devastating effect on the economy. That's right. Democracy Forward has put together the
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People's Guide to Project 2025. Not everyone has to go read all 900 pages of it. We've done that for
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them. But what it really does is show and make accessible all of the great harms and threats to
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democracy that are contained in the extremist playbook. I mean, to be clear, Project 2025 is an
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existential threat to our democracy. And with regard to public education, you laid it out so
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well in your introduction. The attacks that are contained in Project 2025 are designed to
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fundamentally disrupt and dismantle public education in our country as we know it. Public
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education is so core and fundamental to our nation's democracy. And I have the great fortune of
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being able to work with communities, families, students, teachers in states and cities across
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the country where they're on the front lines of some of these horrific ideas and seeing firsthand the
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harms that are being perpetuated in these communities. And then knowing that Project 2025 is
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really moms for liberty on steroids. Let's be clear, the people behind Project 2025 aren't seeking
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just to undermine public education. They're seeking to undermine our democracy, delegitimize,
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defund public education, roll back protections for marginalized groups, reduce funding for low-income
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students, expand school privatization, and ultimately eradicate the Department of Education. And that is
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something that will really hurt all of the students across the country. And people should be very worried
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about that. I think folks know how extreme Donald Trump is. And I think one of the key factors that
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folks need to know also is that less immigration means higher costs for American citizens. Right now we
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have a significant labor shortage all across our country in our construction industry alone. We are
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1 million workers short. Immigration, immigrants contribute to our economy, contribute to our GDP growth,
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and are a significant factor on housing costs. And so the fact that we don't have enough workers,
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even in the construction industry, and many other industries means higher costs. Those are the
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economic implications of policies like Donald Trump's are going to result in increased costs for
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American families. We cannot allow another Trump presidency to stain our nation's progress. And this
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economic factor is a key one that also needs to be considered.
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This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on
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these people. Here's one time I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people. The
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people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything
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in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen.
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And where do people like that go to share the big line? Mega Media. I wish in my soul, I wish
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that any of these people had a conscience. Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
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If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard today's edition of The War Room here live from Washington,
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D.C. Today is 13 July 2024, year of our Lord. And as we sit looking across the landscape,
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looking across the horizon, the waterfront is what's going on. RNC starts on Monday. People are
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flying in. I'll be flying into Milwaukee tomorrow because we are going straight to the Rust Belt to
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figure out everything that happens. Joe Biden up on this rally that he holds in Michigan. He comes on
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strong and you got Joy Reid, you got Chris Hayes up there. Oh, he's great. He's fantastic. But he can't
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even tell you Project 2025. He can't even get the words out. He can't even figure out what he's going
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to say because this is a presidency that has launched a national security crisis. This is not
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a Republican or Democrat issue. This is an American issue. Who's in control of our nuclear arsenal?
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Who's in control of Stratcom? Who's actually pressing the button? And you got all the stories
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out now from Axios and Politico and all the rest. And it's amazing, by the way, because they'll say
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Republicans and conservatives are pushing the conspiracy that Joe's age was a cover up. And then they put
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my picture up there and Stephen Miller and Hannity and some other people. And I go, but wait a minute,
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I'm reading your own articles that are talking about the fact that it was covered up. You're the
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one saying that it's covered up. You're the one saying that the family running around in there,
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like it's the Adams family hiding this guy, hiding the fact that he can't put two words together.
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Then he goes up and starts growing around the DOJ, the DOJ, and Joy Reid saying how great it is. Yeah,
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total sycophant. Don't worry, Joy. Don't worry. Everything's going to be fine. Everything's
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going to be great. Joy Reid. Don't worry. 2025 is going to be glorious. In fact, I think it's going
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to be one of your favorite years of your entire life. But then you've looked on the other side of
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the ball. And what do we have on the other side of the ball? It's Rupert Murdoch. Let me tell you
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something. I want to deliver a message directly to Rupert Murdoch. You do not get to pick the vice
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president, Donald Trump, who was the choice of the voters of the party, the choice of the grassroots
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and the choice of the people. He gets to pick who the vice president is, not you. And you got this
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story out from notice. Rupert Murdoch lobbying Trump to pick Doug Burgum and not J.D. Vance.
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Retired media mogul has been they say Rupert's calling him again and again and again saying,
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oh, you got to you got to stay away from Vance. You know, he's no good. He's no good. He's terrible.
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And here's what the consultant from Fox has been saying. Rupert has always viewed Trump as
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subservient to him and wants to install a vice president who's there as a check on him. And it
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bothers him. He's not looking to another four forward to another four years. Will he have to
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kiss Trump's a double SS? They don't want Trump on Fox. And so they get Burgum on there and groom him
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for the next four years and make him president. That's his way of ending Trumpism. They want to
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install a corporate candidate to end Trumpism and to off ramp this stuff. I don't have any problem,
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by the way, with this guy. I think he's I think he's a good guy. Fine, whatever. But the point is
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the factions, the factions are now lined up to push someone who's pro Ukraine spending, who's pro open
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borders, who's pro whatever the U.S. Chamber of Commerce wants. And that's what we want to stop. And I've
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got sources on this, by the way. It's not just Rupert Murdoch. You got Ken Griffin. You got Paul
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Singer. Karl Rove has been completely activated. McConnell's activating his networks even. And I'll
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just say it. I'm going to say it. Kellyanne Conway has been activated. And I've got multiple sources
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telling me that KAC, Kellyanne Conway, has been telling people that J.D. won't be the vice president.
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I won't allow it. Well, here's the thing to Kellyanne Conway and to Rupert Murdoch and Ken Griffin
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and everybody else out there. It's Donald Trump's decision. It's not your decision. You get to be a
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voice in the room. He'll listen to people. But that's who he is. He's always been a man of the
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people. He's always had an open door policy. But you don't get to make that choice. That is a choice
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made by Donald Trump and Donald Trump only. And I and I want to be clear about this, that this is
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something where I know J.D. wasn't there in 2016. I get that. OK. But you know what? J.D. has been there
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holding the line when it comes to the globalist expansion of the NATO of the NATO national security
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state. He's been there holding the line on immigration. And he's someone who's actually
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been fighting the fight for taking MAGA forward in to the future, which is what we need. The choice,
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of course, will be Donald Trump's. But you see what's going on, folks. You see the factions lining
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up. You see the money lining up and the implied the implied understanding that, you know, if you block
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this guy, maybe, maybe we'll write you a text. Let me tell you something. Donald J. Trump doesn't
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need your money. Donald J. Trump doesn't need money with all of those strings attached because
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this movement is a people's movement. This movement is about the working class people. And yet in the
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Rust Belt, people like and I love the fact that the East Palestine mayor, they just announced he's
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going to be speaking at the RNC. I think that's fantastic. Tucker Carlson, the news has come out
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that he'll be speaking. AP's got a story that Peter Navarro. Yeah, that's right. Peter Navarro
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will be leaving prison. And I don't know if there's been said in the war room yet. Peter Navarro will be
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leaving prison down there, FCI Miami, flying directly to Milwaukee next Wednesday, and will be
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addressing the RNC as well as appearing right here on the war room. So make sure you watch this. As we
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know, Stephen K. Bannon, who I've been in contact with over email, is still serving is still serving
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in this fight. He's behind bars. They've tried to lock him up. They have locked him up because they
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want to try to silence him. It's not going to work because they can't silence all of us. We've got a
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huge show pack show this morning. It's a busy Saturday. Look, I know it's Saturday, but the work
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never stops because we're going to go all the way in. We're going to go in on Project 2025. And I know
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that Joy Reid is going to be paying very close attention. I hope you do. I hope you do. Joy
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Reid, sharpen your number two pencil because we're going to be having a fantastic conversation. We've
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got Rasmussen coming on, Brian Costello, and then Raheem Kassam to give us a dispatch of what he
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learned while he was over in Europe. Stay tuned. Huge show. Short break. We'll be right back here in
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Jack Selby back in the war room. By the way, I hadn't even seen this just crossed my desk over the
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break here. The great Carly Bonet, shout out to the Midnight Rider, sends me the new press release,
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Fox Nation, Rupert Murdoch's Fox Nation to debut weekly series, Here's the Deal, starring, oh,
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Kellyanne Conway. So Rupert Murdoch is giving a special deal to Kellyanne Conway. How interesting.
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That's very interesting. I'm so interested to see the same guy who's doing everything he can
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to support the Ukraine war lobby, to support the U.S. Chamber of Commerce open borders lobby,
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is now also activated with Kellyanne Conway. Okay, interesting. We're just following folks. We're
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just following the news. We're just following what's going on out there. We're just
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noticing things. We're just paying attention. And we're going to see where it is that the places
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we find that the establishment gets very upset about. Now, one group of people that the establishment
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is extremely upset about, as you guys all know, is called Project 2025. And so I said, you know what,
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I'm sick of hearing the media talk about Project 2025. I'm sick of hearing MSNBC and Joy Reid. She's
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going on and on and on about Project 25. And I said, why don't we go and actually talk to the guys
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who were in charge of 2020? I'm not scared about it. I'm not terrified. I'm not going to cower. No,
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we're going to have a conversation. And so that's why I'm excited to bring on now Steve Groves of the
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Heritage Foundation, the co-editor of Project 2025, joins the war room. Steve, how are you today?
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We may have lost Steve there for one second. So guys, let's check that out. I wasn't sure if that
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was an audio issue on my end. We're just talking to him over the break. Let's make sure we can go
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to get him back in. In the meantime, guys, do we have Mark Mitchell?
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So Denver, let's bring, hey, Mark Mitchell. So we're going to produce this on the fly here. So
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Mark Mitchell, of course, the lead pollster for Rasmussen. I know I just did the intro for Heritage.
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Looks like they're having some audio issues. We're going to figure that out. But I figure, hey,
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let's switch things around. We're doing it live. It's a Saturday morning here in the war room.
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And we are fired up. Mark Mitchell, now you've been looking at the polls. We've all seen the
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collapse of Joe Biden. Here's my challenge to you. Do you think there's, and I've got this theory,
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I've got this theory that Joe Biden has a way to turn this all around. And this is what I want to
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talk about. Because he started to kind of do it where we know the American people love an underdog
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story. We know they love an anti-establishment story. This has been Trump's story all along.
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And now all of a sudden, Biden and some of his allies have started circling around this narrative
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that it's Biden versus the elites, that it's Biden versus the establishment. And I see this as an
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actual potential threat because he used to throw out this populist rhetoric throughout his career and
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throughout the past. But of course, everyone knew that he was always on the side of the establishment
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for 50 years up until literally the last two weeks. Mark Mitchell, what are you seeing in the
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numbers? And is there a path forward here for Biden to actually cobble back some of that support?
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Well, he did cobble back some of the support. There's no way Joe Biden is ever going to wash the
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stink of establishment off of himself. I mean, just in our COVID polling, a majority of Joe Biden's
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strong supporters wanted to throw the unvaccinated in jail. People aren't going to forget that.
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And every time I run a poll, the biggest signal is always in Biden approval. I really do think
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this is a referendum on Biden. And a vast majority of Republicans and a really strong majority of
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independents really don't trust authority and blame it all on Joe Biden. But from where the race is
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at, we have new post-debate matchup numbers back. And the headline here is Trump still leading by a
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pretty solid margin. He's up six points. But that's actually down from 10 points pre-debate.
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Now, where we were at is we showed Joe Biden imploding like all of the way through the spring
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and all the other pollsters weren't there yet. It's almost like the debate gave them permission
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to catch up to where we're at. But we poll a lot and we catch these swings. And the truth is
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the big movements pre and post-debate is that Democrats circled the wagon around this guy.
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Now, yeah, here you can see all of our presidential polling from the last year and a half, everything,
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this race. And I mean, like, I think to me, if you look, the big takeaway is that Donald Trump's
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numbers are kind of steady at 48, 49 percent. And Joe Biden is locked in there down at the bottom.
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He's got a long way to make up. What I will say is I've seen Republicans blow bigger leads. And so
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my advice to the Trump camp, it doesn't really matter what Democrats in there focus on winning
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down ballot, focus on a good turnout, focus on maintaining that five to 10 point lead.
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And I think over time, you're going to see that happen. If you can you have Denver bring up chart
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two. I think that's the most important one that really shows us where we're at. This is all of
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our polling with Donald Trump over the last 10 plus years. And everybody says all polling's inaccurate.
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Everybody says, well, Rasmussen's a right wing pollster. But I put the final reported vote,
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national popular vote margin on Trump versus Clinton. And these are moving averages to swing
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out, to smooth out all the swings. And we were dead accurate in 2016 and 2020. And if anything,
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in our polling, Joe Biden did better than he did in the final reported results. And now if you look
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at where Trump's at 2024 to 2020, he's solidly up. And if you look at where Biden's at, he's still
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down about 10 points from where he was four years ago. And, you know, polls change over time,
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but our waiting maybe changed one or two points over this period or methodology didn't change all
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that much. So like Biden, Biden is getting beat. Every time we test a Biden replacement, they poll
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about like where Biden is. People know who Trump and Biden are. I think they've mostly made up their
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minds. And it's going to be really tough for the Democrats to catch up. I don't think they can put
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anybody in there, but they have, as you know, and as you've mentioned, some aces up their sleeve.
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There's major ways they could change this race. And it's cynical to say, but one of the big ones is to
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put Trump in jail, which they do have the opportunity to do. Now, as a pollster, I can't
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at all predict how things like that are going to change the race. But this debate really didn't.
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And before the debate, voters told us, well, Trump's probably going to win 10 points lead
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they gave to Trump. After the debate, they said, well, Trump won by 35 points. But then if you see
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here. So when you go when you let's let's clue in on that specifically. So in the debate, pre-debate,
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post-debate, where did you see the biggest delta? Where did you see the biggest change in support
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demographic wise, age wise or gender wise, you know, education, non-education? Where
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where was that biggest shift? It was mostly in left or leaning groups. It was Democrats who said
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by and large, oh, no, there's no way Trump's going to win. Biden is so, so smart. He's been in DC for
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50 years. And then post-debate, I think the Democrats went from 70 or 67 points. Biden's going to win down
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to like 49 points. And more people, more Democrats said that Trump won. But the problem is, is that now
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more Democrats are supporting Biden in the race. I'd almost call it a pity bounce or circling the
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wagons. You know, after that performance, Joe Biden has an 80 point approval rating among Democrats
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right now, which is like the highest it's been all year. Now, will that abate some? Maybe. But I mean,
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maybe they just didn't like the mean orange man picking on their candidate. I think that's what
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couldn't, you know, I think Trump's doing the right thing right now. Let the Democrats have their
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circling firing squad. This is what people have called a civil war. I think that's probably really
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accurate. And all they're doing right now is probably hurting their candidates' chances,
00:25:18.020
throwing all these slings and arrows at Biden. It's not affecting the Democrats,
00:25:21.840
but it's affecting the independents. Trump's up like 15, 16 points among independents now in the
00:25:27.040
latest matchup numbers. And independents also said that Joe Biden got beat in that debate by a massive
00:25:33.280
amount. So you're seeing it twofold. It's two fronts now. So the independents are being driven
00:25:39.320
to Trump more because of the Democrat civil war that's ensued, but then also because they saw Joe
00:25:45.900
Biden's performance, his disastrous performance at the rally. What about this press conference? What
00:25:50.080
about this roundtable, this, you know, 20, we saw the numbers, if they're to be believed,
00:25:55.180
they're saying 24 million people tuned into this thing. Did you, have we seen, or is it early enough
00:26:00.020
that we've seen any shift in the numbers since that press conference?
00:26:04.300
You know, we're talking about minute movements in the news cycle when there's been videos of Joe
00:26:12.140
Biden falling downstairs for three years. At this point, if you're willing to have an open mind about
00:26:18.380
Joe Biden's incompetence or mental acuity problems, like 57 percent of voters already knew
00:26:25.880
going into the debate. So I don't think the press conference is going to solidify anything. I really
00:26:30.740
just think this is a test of the media's ability to either gaslight people or the Democrats' apparent
00:26:39.060
willingness to vote for a ham sandwich, basically. You know, really just bringing it back to the race.
00:26:45.940
Trump was leading by 10 before the debate. Now he's leading just by six. And you can look at where he
00:26:52.960
picked up and lost. And, you know, he picked up. Joe Biden is doing 13 points better among Democrats.
00:27:01.500
So essentially the crossover advantage that Trump had all year is gone. Trump is doing way better
00:27:08.800
among Hispanic and other race voters. But that, you know, swings around. He's awash with Republicans
00:27:15.960
and it's awash with independents on the debate. Now, you know, independents were horrified by that
00:27:21.340
debate performance. But again, it just hasn't it hasn't changed the race much. Younger voters,
00:27:28.940
Biden is doing four and a half points better than he was doing pre-debate. I think at the end of the
00:27:34.100
day, we may call this noise. Trump is winning solidly. But again, I think, you know, we could talk
00:27:42.260
about election integrity issues. National popular vote may not matter as much as it does in a post
00:27:49.220
2020 world. And voters have a lot of concern about election integrity and integrity. I can tell you
00:27:56.180
that. Mark Mitchell, thank you so much. Joining us from Rasmussen reports, top pollster. We need to be
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I got a comment in here from Eric Balling, who just sent me a comment in on Twitter, because we know
00:31:09.340
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00:31:14.540
Balling comments. So does Fox cut away from Tucker Carlson in primetime or do they hold their
00:31:21.380
collective nose and run the speech? And he says, whatever it is, I'll be watching there intently.
00:31:26.560
So there's a question for you, Rupert. Rupert, are you going to carry Tucker Carlson's speech after you
00:31:31.160
fired him? Are you going to leave him up on your network? Are you going to be forced to have him on or
00:31:36.100
not after you let him go? So you're trying. So Rupert Murdoch is trying to pick who the vice
00:31:40.420
president is going to be while Donald Trump is putting a man on stage who Rupert Murdoch
00:31:46.320
just fired. Kind of interesting, kind of interesting how that all works out. Talking about someone else
00:31:50.540
who's on the outs with the establishment. I mentioned before, I think we've got him back
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now. Steve Grobes, the co-editor of Project 2025 from the Heritage Foundation. Steve, I want to make
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sure. Do we have you? Guys, do we have Steve? I'm not sure what's going on with that, folks,
00:32:14.440
but we're going to go. So, you know, they must be working double hard to keep Project 2025 away from
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the war room, but never fear because we've got to back up and play, as they say, in the military.
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Two is one, one is none. Brian Costello now from Shift AI joined the war room. Brian, how are you
00:32:31.040
today? Good, Jack. How are you doing? Someone doesn't want you to have that segment, huh?
00:32:35.960
I'm telling you, we keep talking, and I'll just be clear with the audience. We keep talking to him
00:32:39.980
during the break and everything's fine. And then we go, I call him up here and it just doesn't
00:32:44.380
happen. But Brian, it's interesting because you and I, I think, have been of a mind in talking about
00:32:49.820
the shadowy forces that are trying to push Joe Biden out of office right now. Because what we are
00:32:54.940
looking at, and I was on with Darren Beattie here the other day, and I said, we need to bring back
00:32:58.740
hashtag Stop the Steal, but for Joe Biden, because they're trying to coup him out of the White House.
00:33:03.980
And it seems to me that a lot of the congressmen, Mark Warner over in the Senate, Jim Himes of the
00:33:10.320
House Intel Committee and the Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, then Mark Warner, of
00:33:14.380
course, the chair, very powerful chair of the Senate Intel Committee, who's joined with the
00:33:17.840
intelligence community at the hip, all of these forces conspiring against Biden, who's really behind
00:33:25.960
You know, it's pretty amazing, Jack, right? Because you look at like, we'll go into the Garland thing
00:33:33.280
for a second, right? So here you have a president who they said wasn't fit to stand trial. But at that
00:33:39.300
time, nobody had a problem with him running for four more years of president, right? And now we're seeing
00:33:45.240
the tapes hidden by the attorney general who controls, you know, obviously has tight relationships
00:33:51.060
into the intelligence community. You see an organized apparatus, right? All of a sudden,
00:33:57.580
the media, I actually didn't think Biden did too bad in his public speech for a guy that's been,
00:34:03.080
as he said, falling downstairs for three years, right? And but all of a sudden, the media is lockstep
00:34:08.580
in sync, right? And we know the media typically gets its marching orders from the intelligence
00:34:13.320
community, right? The leaks get put in by different people. So I think there's an all out effort. It's
00:34:19.480
a question of do we see the tapes come up, you know, at some point. So there's a lot of people
00:34:26.140
Well, Brian, let me let me let me just pop in here real quick, because it's not just about
00:34:29.920
do we see the tapes come out? This is highly incumbent on Speaker Johnson, everyone who's in
00:34:36.740
the House Republican Committee right now. It's it's clear. Okay. And Anna Paulina Luna had the
00:34:42.120
inherent contempt petition that was up there on the House floor, and they wouldn't vote for it.
00:34:47.420
And who voted against it? Who was protecting Garland? It was also these congressmen who have
00:34:51.740
direct ties to the intelligence community. Because I think to me, from my mind, I'll put money on this,
00:34:56.520
I will put money on this. The content and enjoy read and Midas touch and Patriot takes and all you
00:35:03.020
little all you little Midas touchers out there, pay very close attention to what I'm about to say,
00:35:07.200
because I want you to print this. The tapes from special counsel her do not match the transcription.
00:35:16.080
I'm telling you right now, we already know that Biden staff is running around and they're doctoring
00:35:20.460
all the tapes. When he does these interviews, they're planning questions, they're doing everything
00:35:24.600
they can to protect this guy. Why are they so terrified of the her tapes? Why won't they let
00:35:29.000
the her tapes come out? Why won't they do this? I'll tell you right now, because it doesn't match
00:35:32.780
the transcription because the transcription is sanitized. I guarantee you that what you will
00:35:37.560
see on those tapes does not match. They are lying to you. That is why they won't release the tapes.
00:35:43.320
That's why they're terrified of this. And her remember for all the attacks they threw on him and
00:35:47.300
they said, Oh, well, you know, he's he's making this political, he's making it partisan. He's the one who
00:35:52.160
said first that Joe from an independent position that Joe Biden has dementia. Well, guess what?
00:35:57.800
That aged pretty well, didn't it? Brian, go ahead. Yeah. I mean, listen, there's a disconnect,
00:36:02.340
right? If you read the transcripts, right? All they say was, Oh, there was some extra eyes and
00:36:06.400
ants. They decided from these transcripts that he wasn't fit to stand trial. Okay. So just on that,
00:36:12.620
you know, along the video says something different than the transcripts, right? And, you know,
00:36:17.120
this is a pretty consequential submission by the DOJ to a court, right? That he wasn't fit to stand
00:36:23.840
trial. And this is why they decided when they actually taking his political opponent through
00:36:29.280
trial for through trial for something that's not even as bad. So there's a there's a huge disconnect
00:36:33.580
there. And Jack, where you're circling around, and I think you're right. You know, President Trump
00:36:40.000
right now needs to call for the removal of Mike Turner as chairman of the House Intel. House Intel is a
00:36:46.400
place where we hold the gavel. We can subpoena. And I can tell you, I know specifically what
00:36:53.540
Turner's done since McCarthy put him in that role. He immediately fired all the investigators on the
00:36:58.460
Russia hoax team, remove them. He started going to dinners with Schiff. He literally voted the first
00:37:06.940
time not to censor Schiff, right? He first time he voted not to move forward with the impeachment of
00:37:12.180
Mallorca is. Now he's gone against 99% of his party, President Trump. And he's voted not to hold
00:37:18.940
Garland in content and inherent contempt for basically what we what we know is happening here
00:37:26.380
is there they doctored transcripts and they're hiding the video. This isn't, you know, this isn't
00:37:31.820
an executive privilege thing. This is, you know, you have a crime here.
00:37:35.240
And not only that, what was it? What was what was Turner? What was Turner immediately prior to Trump
00:37:43.120
taking office? He was the head of the NATO permanent parliamentary assembly, the president
00:37:49.300
of the NATO parliamentary assembly from 2014 to 2016. This is the guy who was holding stuff up.
00:37:55.660
That's why when Anna Paulina Luna goes up there and says, well, can we just watch the tapes? Can we
00:38:00.140
watch the tapes in the Schiff? And they say, no, you can't do that. Why can't we watch it in the
00:38:03.340
Schiff? This is protected. There's no disclosure. There's no leaks unless Adam Schiff is going to be
00:38:08.080
there. So why can't we see get Schiff in the Schiff? So why can't we do that? And it's very
00:38:12.300
clear. And I think Brian Costello, you are 100% correct. And I agree with you. And I'll stake
00:38:16.680
everything on this. They doctored that transcript. They're lying to the American people. And the only
00:38:21.700
person who isn't lying, by the way, right now is Robert Herr, because he's the one who came out and
00:38:27.300
said directly with all of the headwinds against him after being appointed by Garland himself,
00:38:33.340
and that's who's who is actually in charge of this stuff. You think Joe Biden is the one running up
00:38:37.360
there running all these operations. Biden doesn't even remember that he had the conversations even
00:38:42.200
know he was talking to that. That was a special counsel. They said this guy couldn't possibly
00:38:45.900
be brought up on charges because he doesn't realize he's got no mens rea. He doesn't have
00:38:50.800
the criminal culpability of mind, the mental state to actually be able to commit a crime because he
00:38:55.420
can't commit anything. That's what's going on to the American people. President Trump, I'm going to
00:39:00.160
co-sign this. President Trump should go to Speaker Johnson right now. Put it up on True Social.
00:39:05.900
President Trump, call for Mike Turner to lose his chairmanship of the committee on intelligence.
00:39:13.220
Have him lose this because he's protecting the intel community. He's protecting Merrick Garland.
00:39:17.540
And ultimately, he's protecting Joe Biden. Brian Costello.
00:39:21.100
Yeah, so the chair of the House Intel Committee is an extremely important position. This guy was
00:39:27.560
put in place by McCarthy, right? He serves. It's a select committee. So he serves at the bequest of
00:39:35.500
the Speaker of the House. OK, you need someone who is going to protect the integrity of the republic
00:39:42.840
in this position, not somebody who's trying to indoctrinate himself into the uniparty as part of
00:39:48.100
this. So it's very, I mean, the votes, if you look up and down his votes, I mean, this guy called
00:39:53.420
his colleague, this guy called his colleagues who were against Ukraine funding because they wanted
00:40:00.520
controls, Russia propagandists, right? This guy is not, he's not fit for this. His entire staff
00:40:07.940
is, you know, cronies he bought over who have no intelligence, you know, no intelligence background
00:40:13.280
whatsoever. You need somebody with some gumption, not the dunce from Dayton in this. And, you know,
00:40:19.160
Steve, Steve would be proud of me getting that in. And it's not Mike Turner. Mike Turner needs to be
00:40:28.260
Look, President Trump had a strong ally at House Intel at HIPC when Devin Nunes was there. And we
00:40:35.760
remember the power, I remember this, of hashtag release, the memo of everything that he was able
00:40:40.840
to put together with, oh, that's right. Also my friend and colleague, Cash Patel, who was there
00:40:45.600
working with Devin Nunes on HIPC to be able to put all this stuff out because they were running
00:40:50.480
the counter coup to everything that was going on during Russiagate. Russiagate, I might add,
00:40:55.440
by the way, something that has been completely championed and endorsed by who? That's right.
00:41:00.580
Marco Rubio. Little Marco went all in on Russiagate. He was always there to defend Mueller. He wasn't
00:41:07.020
helping to release the memo. He wasn't helping on the counter coup. No, it was Marco Rubio who worked
00:41:12.700
with them to deny President Trump a full first term in office because every single media story,
00:41:20.820
every narrative, every single day, it was the drip, drip, drip, drip, drip from the Mueller
00:41:24.200
investigation. And they held that over everyone's head. They held it over Steve Bannon's head. They
00:41:28.080
held it over the White House. They held it over everyone. They said, oh, Bannon was running around
00:41:32.460
the world, meeting with Russia. And it was all a joke. It was all a complete and utter joke. Brian
00:41:37.420
Costello, walk me through, how did they use the media in order to launder these narratives to get
00:41:43.700
leverage? How did House Intel use the media to deliver this? Well, the Intel community, the community.
00:41:51.380
Oh, so what you always see is, you know, they have great media contacts, right? So they'll see leaked
00:41:55.960
stories. So a lot of times people think when people are compromised, right, within Congress or within
00:42:02.340
these committees, what they're worried about, why they tend to always vote in line, isn't somebody
00:42:07.680
who sits in a room and says, you need to vote this way. What they know is that there's information on
00:42:12.860
them. And that information by the intelligence community will be leaked into the media. It might
00:42:18.660
be information on an affair. It might be information on, you know, another problem, right? And so the
00:42:25.520
intelligence community doesn't walk in and threaten congressmen. They just kind of know to fall in
00:42:30.640
line once there's some dirt on them that's actually surfaced. And that dirt might surface
00:42:35.500
as part of something like regularly. The FBI and different groups will look at, and I don't think
00:42:42.300
a lot of people know this, and it's not necessarily regularly. They'll go in and look at congressional
00:42:46.920
devices just to make sure there's no foreign actor that's influenced a cell phone or laptops or things
00:42:54.020
like that. And during that process, they actually find things, right, on occasion. So you know if
00:43:00.400
there's information on you out there and the intelligence community and the FBI and, you know,
00:43:05.800
the IC groups, there's a lot of IC groups know that, then, you know, this is, and this is what
00:43:09.960
we need to understand. Go ask Anthony Wiener about that. Brian Costello. Stay tuned right back. Quick
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Jack Posobiec back here in the war room. And I want to say something else about special counsel
00:44:38.040
Robert Herr, because Robert Herr isn't doing anything to get these tapes out either. Robert Herr,
00:44:43.740
by the way, made the special negotiation. And I'm hearing now from top DOJ officials that Robert Herr
00:44:50.480
made the negotiation with the Biden campaign, or excuse me, the Biden administration, so that
00:44:56.040
Robert Herr wouldn't have to video record Biden, that the entire interviews were audio recorded
00:45:03.520
only. So they got down the video. Ken Starr, when he was going and doing the depositions of
00:45:08.600
Bill Clinton, through the Lewinsky investigation, where Clinton lied repeatedly again and again,
00:45:14.140
that was on video. We know that was on video. But Biden was smart enough or able to at least to get
00:45:20.660
his people to go over to her and her didn't push for video. So I don't want people thinking that
00:45:25.860
Robert Herr is some big savior here that he's going to be like the next, you know, the next coming of
00:45:32.520
MAGA. He's not some MAGA guy. In fact, he's a DOJ guy. He's a guy like Bill Barr and Rod Rosenstein
00:45:39.900
and all these types who at the end of the day, we know where their loyalty lies. Their loyalty lies
00:45:46.160
with the company. Their loyalty lies with the department. Their loyalty lies with the people
00:45:51.680
who put them in power in the first place, not with the president. So don't think that you're going to
00:45:56.800
be able to pick someone as your AG or your deputy AG and slip them in there just because they did
00:46:01.480
a move on Biden. We know that they're trying to move on Biden, but they're going to move on Biden
00:46:06.420
and then try to get in with Trump again. Don't let it happen. This is my warning. Do not trust
00:46:12.060
special counsel Robert Herr either. Because remember, at the end of the day, he is one of
00:46:17.380
them. He's not one of us. Brian Costello, we were talking about this before about how this
00:46:22.420
permanent, this permanent bureaucracy has used places and people and influence and dirt all
00:46:29.080
throughout the years to be able to control these governments and control presidents. And this goes all
00:46:34.300
the way back to JFK and others, doesn't it? Yeah. And there's going to be there's going to be two
00:46:38.580
things in play here, Jack. Right. Obviously, there's hey, let's let's try and keep the establishment
00:46:44.940
in place and not clean out the swamp and the unit party in the intelligence state.
00:46:53.120
Let's try and keep the president in place. But the second thing is in play is like, OK,
00:46:57.260
how do they intimidate people in the event that when Trump wins? Right. How do they intimidate
00:47:02.580
people not to do the right thing and surface some of the things? And we know we saw the ultimate in
00:47:06.800
that with General Flynn, you know, who's going to run the National Security Council. So that
00:47:11.320
intimidation and all that stuff is is starting to take place. So you see guys like her, like,
00:47:16.860
you know, a lot of times they set out to kind of do the right thing. But then they have to make a
00:47:20.540
very difficult call in terms of going against the establishment. And a lot of them are on the side
00:47:26.480
of what's going to impact them personally. Right. So it's very difficult for people personally.
00:47:30.860
You know, you know, it's few and far between, like, you know, Steve Bannon and Peter Navarro,
00:47:35.720
who end up in in jail over the right position. Most people just kind of fall in line with the party.
00:47:41.060
So we have to be very careful. That's what also is being set up here is to intimidate people that
00:47:46.240
might go in should should, you know, when Trump wins the election.
00:47:51.320
Look, we talk about this. So we've got the book on humans. Steve Bannon wrote the forward to this
00:47:56.900
thing before he ended up where he is now. And we talked about the fact that they do not place
00:48:03.420
competence at the top of their list. They do not place virtue, loyalty to the country, loyalty to
00:48:10.200
the people. It's meaningless to these people. What are they loyal to? They're loyal to the party.
00:48:15.940
They're loyal to the cause. They're loyal to whatever. How else do you explain, by the way,
00:48:21.720
a Pete Buttigieg? How else do you explain a Kamala Harris rising to the heights of power in their
00:48:26.780
movement? Because it isn't it isn't centered around loyalty to people or certainly not competence in
00:48:32.860
either case. And in that instance, no, it has to do with who is more loyal to the cause, who's more
00:48:39.760
ruthless, who's more willing to take action based on those in power. Now, what's interesting now,
00:48:46.300
and this is what we see on the Democrat side and Mark Mitchell from Rasmussen was just talking about
00:48:49.700
it, is you're starting to see the Democrat civil war because the seams are starting to become
00:48:55.860
visible. They're starting to be revealed. And I'm telling people and I'm seeing people in the chat,
00:49:01.380
folks are going to look, folks are going to look and see that Biden is now up against the
00:49:08.760
establishment. And there are going to be people, there are going to start to be people that say,
00:49:12.560
you know what, maybe Biden is an anti-establishment guy. And I predict that you're going to see some
00:49:18.120
numbers tick back in his direction purely on the face of the fact that he won't leave in the same
00:49:24.060
way that people are going. That's why it's incumbent on folks to actually target him right now. That's
00:49:29.560
why I want these tapes to come out. And of course, yes, they are audio tapes. There's no video because
00:49:34.120
for some reason, special counsel Robert Herr wasn't interested in getting video of the president of
00:49:38.840
the United States committing these crimes. It's very interesting. Why is that, Brian?
00:49:43.720
You know, I don't know. I mean, Jack, I think you're right around the issue. Like what we better
00:49:50.680
be very careful of here is I think what's playing is exactly what you're saying. So Biden's now becoming
00:49:56.740
the anti-establishment candidate, right? The establishment's against him. And at the same time,
00:50:01.800
you're starting to see a lot of press around Trump, the establishment switching to Trump,
00:50:06.820
all these big donors with investments in China and everything else. And I'd be very careful here
00:50:11.960
because, you know, we haven't, my prediction is October surprises come before October and you're
00:50:18.520
going to see them do something with the weaponization of the DOJ, something that hasn't been done yet.
00:50:24.520
Right. And they're going to go after him in other ways. You know, Biden alluded to that. Remember the
00:50:30.280
video with him walking away saying like, you know, we're not done yet. There's going to be other
00:50:35.040
things that like actually happened. So I think you're spot on. I think Biden thinks he can win
00:50:40.220
because of what he's going to do moving forward and the people around him. And we better be very
00:50:45.680
careful. He's going to go for the sympathy play. He's going to go for, I'm standing up for the
00:50:51.240
working man. I'm the populist. I'm getting the crowd support. That's why I'm sticking in this.
00:50:57.020
I'm against the establishment. I'm against the elites, which by the way, even if he goes down that
00:51:02.320
road, the entire thing is going to be, as they would say in the pro wrestling world, a work,
00:51:07.240
it's called a work shoot. And a work shoot means when the establishment, now in that case, it's,
00:51:12.160
you know, it's Vince McMahon and the writer's room and Triple H and all those guys. And they come out
00:51:16.640
and say, Oh, this is all happening behind the scenes. And it's, it's terrible. It's horrible. But,
00:51:21.740
you know, we got to push forward, but ultimately they're all in on it and they will all be in on it
00:51:27.980
because if for whatever reason, they can't get rid of Biden, they're going to be in and controlling
00:51:32.340
his administration the same way they control him. Now, the real question is whether or not they
00:51:38.340
cut a deal. And I think you're going to see over the next 24, 48, 72 hours, a really, really strong
00:51:45.060
phase of pushing Biden up because they're, they're done with the asking phase. Now they're moving to
00:51:49.320
the telling phase. And after that comes the making phase, they're going to make him drop out. Brian
00:51:55.900
Costello, give people your coordinates where I can follow you. Yeah. Twitter, Twitter, BP
00:52:00.100
Costello. And it's, it's amazing, Jack, how they've, uh, how they've also normalized like
00:52:05.360
that he hasn't had a captive being in a while. The Obama's been running the whole thing all
00:52:10.220
along. Almost a full year. Go get Brian Costello a follow. You check him out. Stay tuned. Quick
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