On today's show, Steve and Chris discuss the latest in the Biden/Pelosi/Schumer saga, the latest on Biden's injury, and how the media handled the aftermath of Trump's speech. Plus, a look at why it's time for the media to move on from Trump.
00:05:26.100So the Chinese Communist Party is, as the name indicates, a Communist Party.
00:05:33.160And so they rule in that totalitarian fashion.
00:05:38.320And the party essentially addresses the major issues that it confronts and the direction it wants to move ahead in what are called party congresses.
00:05:48.100And then in October of 2022, they had the 20th party congress.
00:05:53.780And then in the wake of those party congresses, there are plenary sessions or plenums that address specific issues that are broken down really by inner party issues.
00:06:05.100Ideology, for example, which is addressed at the fourth and the sixth plenums typically.
00:06:10.100And then the third covers economic and social issues and the economic, of course, are critical.
00:06:18.600The fact that this plenary session, the third plenum, should have been held previously and was not and is only now being held, just concluded, of course, on Thursday, is an indication that they don't know what to do.
00:06:31.700They face dire, the Chinese Communist Party faces dire economic circumstances, and they're trying to figure out what they need to do to solve their economic problems.
00:06:45.420The most critical economic problem that they have been is to ensure that U.S. investment and trade continue to flow into the People's Republic of China.
00:06:58.280That's critical for their economic growth.
00:07:00.520Then within Xi Jinping, how much of China's current panic in its inability to draw up its five-year economic plan, how much of this panic is due to the Trump-China tariffs, which the Biden administration has largely held on to?
00:07:23.600Well, Ben, that's a very significant question.
00:07:26.680And Xi Jinping has got his thumb on the scale.
00:07:30.060He wants Biden or the Democrat candidate if it's not Biden.
00:07:35.640He does not want Trump to return to office because Trump is going to end the flow of investment and trade.
00:07:46.560And again, J.D. Vance as vice president was an excellent pick in this regard.
00:07:53.140So Xi Jinping does not want Trump back in office.
00:07:58.140He wants the Democrats to continue because the Democrats sustain what Jim Fennell and I call the neo-engagement school, right?
00:08:07.140That is the idea that investment trade is going to continue to flow into the People's Republic of China, and thereby the Chinese Communist Party is going to stay in power.
00:08:18.380They're going to be supported, and they're going to be able to work through their economic difficulties potentially because we're funding it in essence.
00:08:27.380The United States and the West more broadly are funding the Chinese Communist Party.
00:08:34.620And that's why they don't want him to return to office.
00:08:39.240But fundamentally, many of their problems also are their own, and that is the result of their misrule.
00:08:45.500The fact that communist governments, wherever they're in office, of course, are illegitimate and commit, you know, obviously are disastrous when it comes to human rights, social and economic rights, and, of course, economic prosperity.
00:09:07.500Are you drawing, to go back to something you were saying about 30 seconds ago, are you drawing a direct parallel between the imminent prospect of the return of the Trump administration from January the 20th of next year, and the fact that China is in a panic with regards to its quinquennial economic strategy?
00:09:30.280They're in a panic, Ben, for two major reasons.
00:09:33.740One, because they see that Trump does have the possibility of returning to office.
00:09:39.200We should not underestimate the measures that the Chinese Communist Party is going to take to keep Trump from office in terms of election interference and other means that the many tens of thousands of Chinese individuals who've come into this country may attempt to execute.
00:10:02.620But then also they have profound economic problems because of their misrule, right?
00:10:09.180Because wherever communists show up, the economy is going to be obviously destroyed.
00:10:26.940I know your speciality is the CCP and China specifically, but this show has been pretty big on election integrity in the United States following on from the last presidential election.
00:10:42.900Are you suggesting, when you say that the CCP will do all that it can to stop President Trump from returning to the White House, are you suggesting that the election integrity dynamic is important for that reason, that this is something that Republicans and Trump specifically ought to be engaged on?
00:11:10.040Now, there are a whole other load of reasons why Republicans and Donald Trump should be interested on election integrity, right?
00:11:17.520But are you adding specifically here China into the mix in the same way that the Russians were dragged in erroneously, as we now know, but they were dragged in paranoically by the Democrats in the last cycle?
00:11:33.540Do you think there's a threat that the Chinese might actually intend to do, what the Democrats outright accused the Russians of doing in the last cycle?
00:11:49.260Trump represents an existential threat to the Chinese Communist Party, and they do not want him to return to office.
00:11:58.020And the avenues of election interference include the machines, of course, they include the individuals who've come over the border illegally, and many other avenues that they have, the employment of deep fakes, artificial intelligence.
00:12:13.160Brian Kennedy has written an exceptional piece on this in American Mind, which I'll have posted, which really illuminates the pathways they can have to interfere in the election.
00:12:28.500There are many foreign countries that want to interfere in our election, but the Chinese Communist Party is most determined to do so because they cannot have Trump return to office.
00:12:41.720Their hope for survival is that Biden or the Democrat candidate is elected and sustains the neo-engagement, the flawed neo-engagement policy, which is their lifeline at a time in economic, when they're in dire economic straits.
00:13:00.440If Trump's elected, of course, there's the possibility of putting real pressure on the Chinese Communist Party so that ideally they fall from power and the Chinese people are free to make their own decisions about what they want to do, free from the tyranny of the Chinese Communist Party.
00:13:17.900So, Ben, there's so much work to be done on machines, of course, on every aspect of election integrity.
00:13:43.020And I wish it received more attention than it does in terms of how—
00:13:49.060We'll do what we can here on the war room to point the spotlight on this.
00:13:55.720Just coming up to the break, Dr. Thayer, just a quick question for you.
00:13:59.760You were tying in earlier how these various—I don't know, the plural would be planar sessions, right?
00:14:11.740The third planum had been postponed since last autumn, and that was specifically—as all these planary sessions are, they're tied into the five-yearly Congress meeting.
00:14:24.460Were there any other planary sessions that were similarly postponed from last year to this year, or was it only the one tied to developing their five-year economic plan?
00:16:27.900Dr. Thayer, there's been a lot of talk about the United States underwriting or U.S. taxpayers underwriting Taiwan's security vis-a-vis China.
00:16:41.160Obviously, there's a lot of speculation that President Xi himself has been gearing up for many years for an eventual invasion.
00:16:50.800President Trump has intervened last week, I think, with an interview in Bloomberg when he said that Taiwan doesn't pay the United States anything for the defense that the U.S. provides and that they should do.
00:17:08.920Could you break down the implications of this?
00:17:12.560And firstly, before we discuss that, perhaps just say a few words of what it would mean to the United States were Taiwan to cede military, militaristically, if you will, under the CCP authority into the Chinese orbit.
00:17:28.500Sure, Ben, that's a great question and a very important issue.
00:17:33.860Taiwan matters for the United States for three big reasons.
00:17:42.100Because Taiwan produces most of the world's chips, our economy and the economy of the West depends on the chips that are made in Taiwan.
00:17:53.660So if those facilities, if those factories were destroyed or damaged, the outlook, obviously, for the Western economy is going to be greatly diminished.
00:18:04.880And the U.S. economy in particular, you'd be flirting with a depression if they were destroyed.
00:18:11.360So economically, Taiwan is a vibrant economy, and the chips are absolutely essential for all Americans and for the health and well-being, of course, of the American economy.
00:18:22.140Secondly, Taiwan matters geostrategically and in a military sense because of its location.
00:18:29.300Taiwan, of course, essentially 110 miles, its closest point from the mainland of China, is a very important base for defensive measures against China, for intelligence bases, and to help bottle up the PRC's navy.
00:18:51.960Thirdly, it matters because of, in the sense of political warfare, Taiwan shows what China might be.
00:19:00.480That is, Taiwan is a thriving democracy.
00:19:03.000This year, of course, in January, very important elections were held.
00:19:06.460And Taiwan shows what the mainland could be, what the People's Republic of China might be, and that is a vibrant democracy where the people rule themselves, which is why the CCP hates it and wants to obviously conquer it and destroy it, so that it's brought in like Hong Kong and like Tibet and other places, brought under the thumb of the CCP's tyranny.
00:19:31.680So Taiwan matters for all of those reasons.
00:20:01.660Let me use that term, let me use that term, to the United States for providing its defensive oversight of the island.
00:20:09.720Well, I read Trump's remarks in the following way.
00:20:14.800I see Trump employing what he does from time to time, which is a way to get allies and partners to contribute more to their defense.
00:20:25.920And there's much more that Taiwan could do to defend itself.
00:20:35.220It's not a formal treaty ally in the way the Philippines is, for example.
00:20:40.460So Trump's remarks, which is echoed, of course, to European states and other states, is a way to focus Taiwan on contributing more to it.
00:20:52.100But we want to remember that Trump has strongly supported Taiwan in the face of the tyranny and in the face of the belligerence, hyper belligerence, really, from the People's Republic of China.
00:21:04.200In December 2016, Ben, if you recall, Taiwan's president at the time called President-elect Trump, right?
00:21:12.740The first foreign leader really with whom he had, I think, a meaningful and lengthy exchange was with the Taiwanese president at that time, which was a very important step.
00:21:24.440And signaled to the People's Republic of China that things were not going to continue as they were under previous presidents.
00:21:33.020And then when he was in office, of course, in his first term, President Trump greatly supported Taiwan for the strategic reasons I've indicated.
00:21:44.580So I see his remarks, the interview on July 17th to Bloomberg, as really being an aspect to signal allies and partners around the world that we need to go back really to the way things were in the Cold War, where allies contributed greatly to their own defense and contributed mightily to their own actions, for example, whether those were NATO allies or other allies.
00:22:10.300So you're suggesting that these pronouncements on behalf of President Trump with regards to Taiwan, of the same order and for the same scope as his similar statements regarding NATO allies with their own subscriptions towards NATO, pronouncements on behalf of Donald Trump that have actually produced fruit in NATO?
00:22:34.740And so Taiwan has contributed very much and has worked with the U.S. in many ways and partners and allies like Japan as well.
00:22:46.560So I think Trump is signaling there's much work to do, and the United States can do a lot of the heavy lifting, but allies and partners around the world also have to increasingly share the burden to deal with the threats that the U.S. allies and partners around the world face, and that's principally the Chinese Communist Party.
00:23:10.840So in synthesis, then, Dr. Thayer, today on the show, you've basically been saying that from the fact that their third plenum has been delayed from last autumn to this year, the CCP is in disarray with regards to its economic planning, its five-year planning.
00:23:29.120And the prospect of this Trump-Vance ticket now is only going to be keeping up the pressure against the CCP.
00:23:39.360That's why J.D. Vance was such an important signal, Ben, where J.D. Vance, with obviously coming from Ohio, communities decimated by fentanyl and other drug use, and then, of course, with the loss of trade, the loss, of course, of U.S. manufacturing to China, the People's Republic of China,
00:24:00.060is a very important symbol where J.D. Vance, the pick of J.D. Vance, is absolutely key to signal to Beijing that Trump is going to continue many of the policies, and he's going to even double down on the policies of his first term.
00:24:20.440And that is to have U.S. trade, obviously to have our manufacturing base on shore, right, to take it away from China, back to the United States, other countries.
00:24:33.260And most importantly, or equally importantly, is to end the investment, right?
00:24:36.960Wall Street continues to invest in the People's Republic of China.
00:24:41.420We're funding our enemy, which is supremely foolish to do, and particularly when our enemy is in bad economic straits.
00:24:54.680So that has to end, and Trump, I'm sure, will take many measures to restrict that flow, or ideally to end that flow, so that there's no investment of going into China.
00:25:09.500That investment goes to Ohio, investment goes to Michigan, investment goes to Wisconsin, Illinois, Indiana, not to our enemy.
00:25:23.420Dr. Thayer, that's perfect, a perfect synthesis.
00:25:26.420It's absolutely insane to be funding, financially bankrolling, your own mortal enemy.
00:25:32.180And I think people can have a reasonable confidence in that, that with a change of administration on November the 5th, that folly, that suicidal policy will finally come to an end.
00:25:44.640Dr. Thayer, where can people go to catch up with your analysis as events unfold in China?
00:25:54.140But we want to keep in mind that, again, the CCP will be interfering in our election.
00:25:59.120So that's critical to pay attention to that issue and the avenues that they'll use to interfere with it.
00:26:07.040I'm at Brad Thayer on X or Bradley Thayer at Getter and Truth, and Jim Fennell and I wrote Embracing Communist China, America's Greatest Strategic Failure, and that's available wherever the audience buys books.
00:26:44.320So the New York Times then has this article, bus by bus, that migrants are being sent in across the border.
00:26:57.740Could you just sort of – we only have like a couple of moments, a minute or so after the break.
00:27:01.600Could you just give us a teaser as to what's going on now, why the New York Times itself of all newspapers is starting to show attention on this, and then we'll have your clip after the break.
00:27:14.060I think this article is a signal that sort of mainstream Democratic Party campaigners want to create this new talking point in the immigration debate in the campaign,
00:27:29.260which is that it's the Republicans, it's Greg Abbott that is really causing a lot of angst and pain with immigration by busing illegal immigrants who just crossed the border into Texas,
00:27:45.540into New York and Denver and Washington and all these northern cities and creating a kind of a chaos there.
00:33:33.600I mean, I mean, it's pretty clear that the Democrats have exactly the same flexibility that they do as they have on borders, open borders, as they do to ballot boxes.
00:33:43.300When they want open ballot boxes, basically, that anyone can stuff a whole load into.
00:33:49.680And for the same reasons, I think, you know, we heard in the first segment with Dr. Bradley Thayer on the same subject that the Chinese, the CCP, is interested, has an interest, I should say, in ensuring that Donald Trump doesn't return to the White House in November.
00:34:09.620And so there's obviously the whole suspicion of the importance of the election integrity issue with regards to the CCP coming into play as well.
00:34:18.460So, look, we just heard on that short video clip from Chris Hayes talking in sort of clutching at his pearls at the idea of this great deportation.
00:34:29.380Could you sort of break that down a little bit and sort of give a fore, an anticipation, an anticipation to the war in posse, what they might expect post-January the 20th of 2025 with regards to this great deportation?
00:34:48.160Sure. First, you have to you have to establish and recognize that the greatest inflow of illegal immigrants into the United States has just taken place for three and a half years now.
00:35:01.140So if you're going to reverse the effects of that or you're going to just kind of reverse the consequences of that, you have to have an equal and opposite reaction to it in policy, which is going to be the largest deportation operation in U.S. history, too.
00:35:20.700I mean, you have the biggest inflow that I didn't hear anybody complaining about that.
00:35:26.220So a deportation operation like what they're talking about is going to be huge.
00:35:34.040It has to be because there will be literally, you know, eight, nine million people in the country illegally that just got here illegally.
00:35:44.320I'm not even talking about the population that was here before.
00:35:47.380And a significant percentage, a two significant percentage of them are going to be criminal aliens.
00:35:54.500We're seeing this happen all the time.
00:35:56.900In his speech, the president said, we're going to reverse.
00:36:00.280We're going to put your your criminals back home.
00:36:04.080So that is going to require a ramping up of personnel.
00:36:08.560ICE only has about six thousand officers right now.
00:36:12.160They've been chained to their desks for the last three and a half years.
00:36:15.300He's going to have to unchain them, give them new priorities.
00:36:18.400But he's going to have to expand their ranks significantly.
00:36:22.080What that means and how he's going to do that, he's not saying.
00:36:25.620But he's going to have to increase that from six thousand to whatever, ten thousand or more to actually do this.
00:36:32.560He's going to have to expand the detention facility infrastructure.
00:36:37.420The Biden administration has been constantly contracting the bed space, closing facilities, canceling contracts with private detention operators.
00:36:49.620Trump is going to have to get all that reverse so that there's a place to put all these people while we're finding air flights for them or scheduling their returns to Mexico or wherever they're going.
00:37:03.800There'll be a lag time to get to get this going.
00:37:07.660But the very first thing he has to do is stop the hemorrhaging, which is the easiest thing to do, really, inside of about an hour on day one inauguration hour at noon plus one hour.
00:37:21.820He can probably have the whole thing shut down so that there's no more significant numbers coming through.
00:37:55.080Todd, Benzman, I'm intrigued by what you were saying.
00:38:01.220I'm just slightly curious as to why you would want to let a whole hour, a whole 60 minute time frame lapse between putting the hand on the Bible and signing the executive order.
00:38:14.100I mean, surely it could be basically one fluid movement, right?
00:38:25.400Let's go back to this New York Times thing, because I think what you were saying here is important as an illustration of how the strategy of the mainstream media to implement its gaslighting here on the American public.
00:38:40.240You were saying before the break that they're pushing this argument now and they're finally talking like the New York Times is finally talking about the immigration crisis.
00:38:49.420But they're framing it in such a way and they're doing this to try and suggest that it's all the Republicans' fault.
00:38:59.420I could guess that for the people whose only source of news is MSNBC or the New York Times, some people in that audience might buy that.
00:39:10.820But for the wider American public, are they going to be persuaded by this, that the immigration crisis is actually Republicans' fault?
00:39:21.240Or will they just see this as an attempt at gaslighting so ludicrous it will just bounce back in Democrats' faces?
00:39:30.380Well, I think stories like the New York Times and some of the big talking points about it's the Republicans' fault and it's a broken border, it's Trump's fault, it's the Democrats' fault for killing that piece of legislation that was so terrible, that all of that is predicated on a presumption on the Democratic Party side that the American public is really stupid.
00:39:58.780And I think the American public is smart.
00:40:01.780They can see what's going on all around them.
00:40:04.820They believe that their eyes are not lying.
00:40:08.860They see all around them in all these cities what's going on.
00:40:12.720The mayor of Denver giving six months free all-paid residence to the hundreds of thousands of immigrants and all the free stuff that's attracting everybody.
00:40:24.460I think it's obvious that, you know, the crime that's being committed, murdered young women and little girls.
00:40:33.880I just don't think that the old style of the Democratic presumption that people are just too stupid to be able to catch on to what they're doing is going to fly this time because it's just all around us.
00:40:51.260You don't need the New York Times anymore.
00:40:52.900But about that New York Times story, if I could just say a couple things, it's trying to regurgitate this old story that it's the Republican governor of Texas that's creating crises in the interior for political reasons.
00:41:08.740And I just want to point out a couple of problems with that.
00:41:11.920One is that every immigrant that gets on those buses in Texas is on those buses voluntarily.
00:41:19.200They sign a waiver saying, I understand they're taking advantage of a free bus ride.
00:41:24.320They were going to go to these places anyway, with or without the free bus ride.
00:41:29.540And the reason that they were going to go to these cities anyway is because those cities are the ones that are providing all the free stuff.
00:41:41.420Because I've interviewed thousands of the immigrants while they were still in Mexico on their way in.
00:41:46.380And that's what they tell me all the time.
00:41:48.720Can I just give the context to what you're saying there?
00:41:52.160Because this article itself in the New York Times reports Muriel Bowser, the mayor of Washington, is coming on record as saying that people who are being bused in from Texas have been tricked.
00:42:06.220They've been tricked by Governor Abbott.
00:42:11.940You know, I listen to what you just said.
00:42:13.700I'm just wondering, there's a doubt in my mind now.
00:42:15.660Perhaps the governor of Texas is tricking these, is duplicitously tricking these illegal migrants, the invaders, as they call on this show, to go to Washington, D.C.
00:42:34.300And not all the free stuff that the Democrats are handing out.
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