On this episode of War Room, we're joined by Dr. Darren J. Beattie to discuss the latest on the case of Pavel Durov and his arrest by the French intelligence services, and why the U.S. government may have a hand in it.
00:02:12.000We're gonna get into that much later in this show.
00:02:14.000But I want to start off with a story that we are not going to let up on.
00:02:18.000Not just because like I said a few days ago.
00:02:20.000I actually think with our first guest, Dr. Darren J. Beattie, that we will show the United States government was intimately involved with the arrest of Pavel Durov in France.
00:02:29.000Of course, the CEO of Telegram, there's been a lot of developments on that front.
00:02:34.000He, of course, being released from custody, I think awaiting trial.
00:02:38.000But until then, there's a lot of information that's unraveling that's coming out that I want Darren to walk us through.
00:02:44.000Of course, the Atlantic Council always involved.
00:02:56.000It involves a lot of interesting intersections of both geopolitics and sort of the censorship cat and mouse game.
00:03:05.000We have a fresh new piece up at Revolver.News that gets into the intricacies of all of it.
00:03:11.000But we featured a video that we found published by the Atlantic Council's DFR Lab,
00:03:19.000which anyone who's been following the great work of people like Mike Benz and the Twitter files generally and all of the weaponization hearings,
00:03:30.000Or going back to Revolver News's color revolution coverage from years ago, you'll know that the Atlantic Council is a nefarious organization.
00:03:38.000It is one of those NGOs that functions as a cutout for the U.S. security establishment.
00:03:45.000And the DFR Lab is it's basically censorship institute that's been a pioneer in weaponizing the so-called disinformation scam as a censorship predicate, a censorship pretext.
00:04:01.000And this group has been funded by the U.S. government.
00:04:04.000It's funded by the British government.
00:04:06.000It's also curiously funded by a major Ukrainian oligarch, Viktor Pinchuk, which is interesting because they did a whole segment two months ago attacking none other than Telegram.
00:04:21.000Because in their view, it's not sufficiently censorious of on the ground war material that is embarrassing or contra indicates the policies advocated by the U.S. government with respect to Ukraine.
00:04:39.000So it's in line with our earlier conversation, Natalie, on why Telegram is upsetting so many stakeholders in the censorship regime.
00:04:48.000One of the reasons is it's a major source of unmediated on the ground footage and information from hot button conflict zones, principally Ukraine.
00:04:59.000And so the fact that the Atlantic Council, with such close ties to the U.S. establishment, put out a video targeting Telegram no more than two months before his arrest in France.
00:05:11.000I think it's not dispositive, but it's certainly powerful circumstantial evidence that the U.S. regime deep state had a very heavy hand in the arrest of Durov.
00:05:24.000They were certainly telegraphing, I think, their interest in going after a social media platform that doesn't comply with regulators here in the United States or just more broadly the administrative state, the deep state, whatever you want to call it.
00:05:39.000Of course, those of you who watched the show yesterday, you saw my long-winded rant going off on Mark Zuckerberg, how his letter that House Republicans are hailing as a, quote, big win for free speech is nothing but it's actually sort of a telltale sign that more censorship is indeed coming.
00:05:53.560But, Darren, I'd love to get your thoughts on how that letter, the timing of that, sort of interplays with this story more broadly.
00:06:00.420And if you agree that you think this letter should not be hailed as a victory, but rather sort of an opening salvo for what could be the sort of second front of the censorship war against the American people ahead of the 2024 election.
00:06:12.380Well, you know, that's a really fantastic question, Natalie, and the intersections are multifarious here.
00:06:20.020The story of Mark Zuckerberg is a story of a very concerted and to some degree successful rebranding PR campaign that involves part of the packaging of, you know, Zuckerberg and the wind sale or, you know, water skiing, whatever it is, with the American flag.
00:06:39.840More recently, Zuckerberg has said positive things about Trump.
00:06:44.380I think he praised his reaction to the assassination attempt.
00:06:49.440And now we have this kind of mea culpa and acknowledgement of Facebook's role in censorship in 2020.
00:06:57.040But, of course, also the larger story that, you know, anyone who's been paying any remote attention doesn't even need to be cutting edge people on War Room and people read Revolver.
00:07:06.460Or even the average citizen by now knows that Facebook and other companies, including Twitter under previous management, censored heavily in 2020 at the behest of government organizations like the Department of Homeland Security and like these NGO cutouts like the Atlantic Council.
00:07:37.780I think there are two factors to consider.
00:07:39.980One is there is this broader sort of alignment of many within the tech elite toward MAGA, either directly or sort of this adjacency playing footsie.
00:07:51.880You have the most prominent figure being Elon, who's endorsed Trump and then sort of more minor but still important venture capitalists like, you know, David Sachs and others.
00:08:03.760And so there's this broader realignment and it doesn't come out of nowhere.
00:08:10.220And yes, I think a lot of this comes out of conviction, but a lot of this comes out of an understanding that in this day and age, in this environment, you can't go halfway.
00:08:23.380You can't be part of one side, part of the other, because the fact that he's gone out even a little bit means that the regime has him in the crosshairs.
00:08:43.480And I think that, you know, Durov himself learned that neutrality is not as easy as it would seem.
00:08:49.600You know, he tried to be neutral in this geopolitical sense of, you know, rebuffing Russia's entreaties to Russia wanted him to censor and give information.
00:09:06.380And he said no, probably to France and every other party.
00:09:09.040And so he thought, oh, I can live in the UAE, which is sort of emerged as this geopolitical Switzerland and try to live this life of neutrality with a privacy based app.
00:09:25.300And so he tried neutrality in a certain way and it hasn't worked.
00:09:29.320And in a different context, I think Elon and these tech moguls are learning that it's harder to do that.
00:09:38.560And so Zuckerberg's recent gestures may be signaling that he understands if he has to pick a side at this point, he might be leaning more toward the Elon side.
00:09:49.560And the Elon has already kind of provided some social cover by going first.
00:09:55.200Just a quick thing about Facebook's backstory, you know, going all the way back to 2016, Facebook became the nemesis of the left because of the ridiculous Cambridge Analytica scandal.
00:10:11.640And Facebook thought that it could sort of compensate for that great sin against the left orthodoxy by leaning so hard in the other direction in 2020.
00:10:23.720And that's where all this censorship came.
00:10:25.200But the thing is, all they ended up doing was infuriating patriotic Americans who understand that they played a major role in election meddling in 2020.
00:10:35.040But they didn't really ingratiate themselves to the left that never forgave that.
00:10:39.560And so they were in this, you know, worst of all worlds type position.
00:10:43.880And again, so I think Mark Zuckerberg understands that that's no longer tenable for Facebook.
00:10:50.020And he kind of has to choose sides at a certain point.
00:10:52.560And now he seems to be leaning in the direction of where Elon has has gone.
00:10:59.160The letters clearly a psyop and House Republicans are too dumb and stupid to rush in and call it a victory.
00:11:04.700Just, I think, giving them exactly what they want.
00:11:07.640I know I certainly hit a nerve with the rant I did yesterday.
00:11:10.940The hacker group Anonymous, the audience may recall, they were big more in the 2010s.
00:11:16.420But they would hack world governments, all these large political movements.
00:11:20.240Then they sort of went woke or maybe they just got co-opted by the CIA.
00:11:45.700Not a conspiracy theory, her own words.
00:11:47.460But I'd love if you could sort of walk the audience through the significance of that clip and how it dovetails, whether it's a pipe bomb investigation or just all January 6th developments more broadly.
00:11:57.940I mean, there's a lot of dimensions to this.
00:11:59.980And one of the dimensions is the security.
00:12:02.360I mean, there are a number of things that went together that allowed January 6th to unfold the way that it did.
00:12:08.580One is the role of these kind of provocateurs with a very questionable providence and intent.
00:12:14.240People like Ray Epps, people like the group congregated at the Peace Monument and, of course, the pipe bomb and its very suspicious timing and all the details in there.
00:12:24.840But then there's a larger question of security as to why they were able to do that in the first place.
00:12:33.620And it's not as though the Capitol had just ordinary security on a day that anyone would understand you need heightened security.
00:12:42.920After all, just any time Trump's speaking in an area, that's a reason to have heightened security.
00:12:48.360But here Trump's speaking in that area, not at the Capitol, but in D.C. close enough.
00:12:56.000He's speaking in that area with a big crowd on a day that this controversial certification proceeding was to happen.
00:13:05.800It doesn't take a genius in security to know that this is going to be a very high profile and targeted event.
00:13:13.220And you need, at the very least, heightened security.
00:13:17.060But they didn't even have heightened security.
00:13:18.580They didn't even have normal security.
00:13:20.420They seem to have uniquely poor security.
00:13:23.040And now we're learning more about Nancy Pelosi's role in this, which is questionable to say the least.
00:13:30.900Now, I don't know if we can really put it all on her shoulders.
00:13:35.460I think there's blame to go around there.
00:13:37.660But it is very weird that every single government agency we now know had advance warning.
00:13:46.940They had informants littered in every single militia group that they ultimately blamed on this.
00:13:53.020So there were informants, they were presumably informed in advance, and yet they seem to have gone out of their way to create the conditions that could allow for the chaos that ensued so that they could promote this narrative of domestic terror,
00:14:10.060which, of course, has become the number one pretext whereby the regime has weaponized the national security institutions politically against Trump supporters across the country.
00:14:23.780So Nancy Pelosi, by virtue of her failure in this regard, certainly bears culpability.
00:14:30.800And, Darren, we've got to jump to break.
00:21:30.100In the headline, they say it's a program racked with fraud.
00:21:33.120And you know if the mainstream media is admitting that a program facilitating immigration has problems,
00:21:37.900that it's 10, 100, probably 1,000 times worse than they're actually letting on.
00:21:41.240But thanks, guys, for subpoenaing someone who, what is it, three, four months after this show has been banging the drum.
00:21:48.480You guys need to actually do something.
00:21:49.840You guys finally got around to doing it.
00:21:51.620Yeah, I'm kind of getting deja vu to the whole Biden impeachment inquiry where this show and other independent journalists have been telling you for years this audience is smart enough to get it.
00:22:01.180You guys need to issue the subpoenas, drop the subpoenas, drop the frickin' hammer, and it takes you guys.
00:22:22.200They're, of course, working with the Brennan Center, too, the same group that's behind the lawsuit trying to get Trump off the ballot in Colorado.
00:22:42.380Nero works harder than our congressmen do.
00:22:44.840Someone who knows this firsthand is Mike Howell, of course, of Heritage Oversight.
00:22:49.180Now, Mike, before we get into interesting ballot challenges, you guys have done some interesting analysis on just the copious amount of federal funding that have been plowed into these investigations, the superseding indictments.
00:23:01.220There's so many indictments even to keep track of.
00:23:03.680But can you walk the audience through the federal funding that is behind this and just in general your thoughts on this subpoena, how long overdue it is?
00:23:10.300Yeah, so I'll remind folks that a couple months ago the promises from Capitol Hill were that they would defund the prosecutions and lawfare into President Trump.
00:23:19.340And, obviously, that did not happen, and they just continue to resurrect themselves.
00:23:23.340So the special counsels, they issue these reports.
00:23:26.240They try to hide away on the Department of Justice websites.
00:23:30.500And, lo and behold, we ducked through the numbers, and Jack Smith's reckless and unconstitutional abuse is more than double the combined expenses of the special counsels looking into Hunter and Joe Biden.
00:23:44.980I mean, obviously, it's out of control.
00:23:47.720But the simplest case should be the Jack Smith one.
00:23:51.400They're essentially looking into where the classified documents were that Trump, by the way, had complete authority to take with them because he declassified them.
00:24:42.860And, of course, Congress applauded like they won the Super Bowl.
00:24:46.300And so those numbers on the left side, you know, of the screen, they should have shown Hurr and Weiss with numbers through the roof looking into the corrupt conduct.
00:24:54.920And instead, it's Jack Smith fully funded by this Republican Congress going absolutely reckless, engaging in lawfare.
00:25:01.980And for every dollar Jack Smith spends prosecuting Donald J. Trump, he probably takes 20 more dollars off the board having to defend it.
00:25:21.020And they think that a letter from Mark Zuckerberg.
00:25:23.100Yeah, sorry I rigged the 2020 election.
00:25:26.400Sorry I censored all of your constituents.
00:25:29.160Here's a weak-worded letter where I can't even go out of my way to cite the so-called analysis that I found that says that all the grants, the nearly billion dollars that I gave out, didn't just go to Democrats.
00:25:39.620Because you guys are probably too stupid to read it.
00:25:42.740I think we're going to need a little more.
00:25:43.900That could be the opening bid for us to accept your apology.
00:25:46.540You're going to need to go a lot further than that.
00:25:49.060But speaking of Democrats who are actually willing to engage in lawfare and, frankly, political war, in some ways I think it's almost kinetic warfare.
00:25:57.260They're working to make sure that RFK can potentially still be on the ballot to try to, you know, pull some votes from Trump.
00:26:02.420But you guys made an interesting point that the DNC still technically has two candidates running.
00:26:07.480The way they've done this process, it's sort of maybe extra legal is the way I'd put it.
00:26:11.360But can you walk the audience through that sort of critique and just what's going on on the ballot warfare front?
00:26:17.660Yeah, there's basically a war going on right now and only one side's fighting to win it.
00:26:21.860You have the left trying to prevent RFK from getting off the ballots.
00:26:26.140You have them suing to make sure Cornel West and Jill Stein can't get on the ballots.
00:26:30.060And then you have the right who's looking at this, you know, novel situation in which in the dying days of Biden's campaign, they were freaking out.
00:26:38.860They basically started referring to him formally and officially as the nominee before the convention ever happened.
00:26:57.420Then he resigns via Instagram from the campaign and, you know, Harris is anointed and they move up the nomination process to a virtual Zoom call in the dead of night just so they can get ahead of any deadlines.
00:27:11.640What they didn't think about is the fact they didn't properly substitute and take Joe Biden off.
00:27:17.080So where they're at right now is they have two nominees for president.
00:27:21.000I don't know why secretaries of state aren't asking the question to the DNC.
00:27:39.120And I think they absolutely should, because you cannot have this situation be blessed where we're basically saying this is a democratic process.
00:27:46.800And I'll tell you who I agree with here.
00:27:48.900Mike, I'm going to hold you there because we've got it.
00:33:42.820We've been focusing a lot on this show, obviously, always, but, you know, government censorship.
00:33:48.320And I'm just curious, from your perspective, with the narratives that you guys talk about, you know,
00:33:53.320are you guys ever on sort of the receiving end of a lot of this pushback, you know, being dismissed as crazy conspiracy theorists, spreading misinformation,
00:34:00.620especially when you see the Fed, Janet Yellen, I think, always lying about the true state of the economy.
00:34:04.800Then, you know, six, nine months down the line, they then finally admit that we were right,
00:34:08.380or they revised the job numbers to the tune of nearly a million jobs.
00:34:11.700But what do you think it shows that they're trying to push back on a lot of these, you know, economic narratives
00:34:15.740that I think really reveal the true issue of the Harris-Biden presidency?
00:37:03.540You guys have some great data that you've put out from Troy from sort of your anti-woke business center that you guys run.
00:37:10.140But before we get into that, I would just love to get your perspective on this sort of media cover-up operation that we're seeing unfold on price controls,
00:37:18.120on price gouging, on all these ridiculous policies that the Harris campaign is pushing.
00:37:23.100Well, thank you for having me on, Natalie.
00:45:05.880We know because there are only 813 billionaires in the United States, according to Forbes, only about 2,700 in the world.
00:45:12.480So this is government money being invested, pension money, state and federal pension money, sovereign wealth funds from oil-rich nations, municipal bonds, other forms of government bonds.
00:45:21.900And it's a loop where asset management firms are investing government money on the front end, then buying publicly traded companies on the back end that are most likely to get government subsidies.
00:45:31.160So this is a giant sort of taxpayer extraction business model.
00:45:35.120And what these companies do is when they buy shares of publicly traded companies, they push them into the woke direction.
00:45:42.160Now, in light of the pushback against ESG, this is slowing down quite a bit.
00:45:46.280My piece in the American mind argues that this isn't just a financial phenomenon but a psychological phenomenon and that it is a force that shapes behaviors and norms within the economic sphere.
00:45:57.600Financial institutions become arbiters of social and political acceptability.
00:46:02.260They wield the ability to grant or deny access to capital.
00:46:06.920But, for example, when banks close the accounts of conservatives or gun manufacturers or individuals deemed politically undesirable, what they're doing isn't just a denial of service.
00:46:17.680It's a performative act that demarcates the boundaries of acceptable economic citizenship.
00:46:23.660So everybody sees this happening and internalizes the norms that are being established by financial mechanisms.
00:46:30.820It's a power that's not merely prohibitive but generating.
00:46:34.920It creates new categories of financial deviance.
00:46:38.760And it shapes the conduct of everybody who has to navigate this new normative landscape to maintain their economic viability.
00:46:47.780So this phenomenon of ESG, as I say, is not just about institutions, regulations, bureaucracies, scientific statements, and philosophical propositions, and so on.
00:47:00.520It's also about the psychological internalization of these norms that happen through this system.
00:47:38.460Saw a lot of other conservative news outlets picking up the take that we had on the Zuckerberg letter in their editorial board opinion pieces today.
00:47:47.040They didn't credit us, but we know they're watching the war room.
00:47:49.900Like I said, we're ahead of the curve.
00:47:51.340So another predictive programming note on behalf of the global elite that I'd like to lay down comes in the realm of, of course, public health and pandemics, the interesting convergence between the two.
00:48:02.680Time magazine putting out a blockbuster piece yesterday saying that, catch this, the new pandemic, new weapons of biological destruction.
00:48:13.360Those are some scary words, pathogens, bioweapons.
00:48:17.020Now it's going to be caused by artificial intelligence.
00:48:21.200They're saying researchers warned that pandemics could be caused by AI now.
00:48:26.060So now we want to be able to blame the Wuhan Institute of Virology or the Chinese Communist Party or Anthony Fauci or any of these crazy science-obsessed overlords, sociopathic overlords, I might add, when the next pandemic breaks out.
00:48:40.140Because apparently now it's going to be AI's fault just in time for the 2024 election.
00:48:45.460I'm sure I guess the monkeypox narrative, I guess the bird flu pandemic, I guess that didn't quite hold.
00:48:51.060Shout out to you guys, the Warren Posse, for holding the line and not budging on that obvious psyop, almost as obvious as the Zuckerberg letter, almost as obvious as that clip that we opened the show with of Michigan Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson being all Karen-esque when she tries to warn you guys from not wanting to certify election results.
00:49:08.180My question, whether it's Jocelyn Benson or the people out in Georgia who have such an issue, take such umbrage with the fact that we want to extend the certification process and actually look through and check signatures and check the valid chain of custody on these ballots, what do you guys have to hide?
00:49:25.300Otherwise, Sunland is the best disinfectant.
00:49:27.580I thought you guys were the one who wanted to foster trust and build support for democracy, right?
00:49:32.520Well, I think more time to make sure all these ballots are cast legally and lawfully, that they're actually ballots and votes, not just ballots.
00:49:38.920There's an important distinction there.
00:49:41.060I see you guys should invite the time.
00:49:49.460Mike, I know you always have deals for the posse, and you're always in and out of legal phone calls, but let the posse know what you've got cooking over at MyPillow.
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