Bannon's War Room - Episode 3881： Desperate Times Call For Russia Collusion Hoax

00:00:00.000 administration taking a series of actions to target what they allege are attempts by

00:00:04.760 Russian-backed actors to manipulate public opinion here in the U.S. ahead of the presidential

00:00:10.860 election, according to two senior U.S. officials. Joining us now is NBC's Ken Delaney. Ken,

00:00:16.280 what more have we learned?

00:00:18.720 Jose, this is being described by our sources as a whole-of-government action designed to target

00:00:23.920 Russian propaganda and disinformation aimed at interfering in the 2024 election. It is said to

00:00:30.820 include sanctions by the Treasury Department, law enforcement action by the Justice Department,

00:00:35.260 and one of the focuses is on RT, formerly known as Russia Today, that network of Russian government

00:00:41.820 funded English language websites and television platforms that was flagged all the way back in

00:00:46.380 2017 by the U.S. intelligence community as a vehicle for Russian disinformation and election

00:00:52.800 interference. And at that time, the Justice Department required RT to register as a foreign

00:00:57.400 agent. It remains to be seen exactly what actions the U.S. will take against RT today, but this does

00:01:03.880 appear to represent an escalation in the efforts to try to purge the system of Russian propaganda

00:01:10.240 and disinformation. What's interesting is that, look, the U.S. has been saying all along that not

00:01:15.020 only Russia, but Iran and China, but particularly Russia, has been consistently trying to manipulate

00:01:19.980 American public opinion with disinformation on social media platforms, use of fake accounts,

00:01:26.060 and through RT, through its state-sponsored platforms, as they did in 2016. The difference

00:01:32.780 now is that there are mechanisms in place, particularly on social media platforms, to try to stop and flag

00:01:38.980 fake accounts before the influence operations spread too widely. So it remains to be seen what impact this

00:01:45.620 Russian disinformation is having. But nonetheless, this is a stance by the Biden administration to

00:01:50.620 say, if you're violating U.S. laws and policies, we're going to come after you. And Attorney General

00:01:56.240 Merrick Garland is expected to chair a meeting of the government's election task force today, this

00:02:01.760 afternoon, with FBI Director Chris Wray and other officials. And he may have public comments to make

00:02:07.060 about this effort at that time, Jose. And so, Ken, this is, again, just breaking as we speak, but the DOJ

00:02:15.200 targeting. Welcome to the War Room. It's Wednesday, September 4th, in the year of our Lord, 2024. Natalie

00:02:22.880 Winters, I'm back. I feel like I've been gone for a few days. I guess I step out and we see the Russia hoax is

00:02:28.240 already being revived. Absolutely insane. We're going to have Dr. Darren J. Beattie joining us shortly to break all of

00:02:35.040 that down. But hey, if the FBI is now looking for foreign assets or foreign influence operations,

00:02:39.700 I think they should look no further than the Kamala Harris campaign. I'd start with Tim Waltz,

00:02:44.000 who's deeply in bed with the Chinese Communist Party. But we know that's not the sort of foreign 0.98

00:02:47.940 influence or interference they're actually looking for, because that's actually substantive and

00:02:51.540 well-documented. They want to chase random rabbit holes, where they always end up with the conclusion

00:02:56.140 of going after MAGA and people who actually spread truth on these social media platforms that they

00:03:00.660 love to say were what? I think it was the New York Times that said we're the number one spreader of

00:03:04.460 misinformation. Well, I wear that as a badge of honor, and I would say we're going to keep spreading

00:03:09.440 Russian disinformation, at least the way you guys like to use that phrase here on this show.

00:03:14.940 We will not be deterred. Got another story that we're going to get to later in the show having

00:03:19.820 to do with, that's right, the Ukrainian national anthem being embedded in election software,

00:03:25.260 not in Ukraine, not in Russia, but here in the United States, the very same people who are telling

00:03:30.820 us not only that our elections are secure, but that the biggest threat we need to face 1.00

00:03:34.380 is some random Russian hackers and some Russian bots, because Americans are apparently so dumb 0.99

00:03:39.280 that if you read an article from RT, you're all of a sudden going to change every ideology 0.99

00:03:42.780 and viewpoint you hold, because Russia bad, Russia bad, Russia bad. Yeah, we didn't fall for

00:03:47.760 it in 2016. We're not going to fall for it now. Now, I am sure, I don't want to get ahead

00:03:53.020 of myself, but I think that Darren probably shares my same viewpoint. But Darren, I'd love to get

00:03:57.960 your thoughts on sort of the re-upping of this narrative. They're choosing to single out Russia.

00:04:02.920 They didn't go with Iran. They didn't go with China. Why Russia? Why now? What does the audience

00:04:07.180 need to know? Well, great to be back with you, Natalie. And yes, this is an important and ever-evolving

00:04:15.000 saga. I mean, if we really wanted to start at the beginning, we'd have to say how basically this subset

00:04:23.420 of the national security community, this subset of the deep state called the Atlanticists or whatever

00:04:30.500 they're concerned geopolitically about, the Atlantic as opposed to the Pacific. They're obsessed with

00:04:37.420 Ukraine. They're obsessed with the geopolitics of energy. They're obsessed with things like the

00:04:42.420 Nord Stream pipeline, which magically blew up much in their favor. This is their orientation. And it just

00:04:50.400 so happens that this Atlanticist subset of the national security state was also deeply concerned

00:04:58.740 with the rise of populism because populism posed a variety of threats to the Atlanticists and their

00:05:07.580 geopolitical order. The Atlanticists also had a preferred methodology for dealing with political

00:05:16.500 leaders that they don't like called the color revolution methodology. And so you have this

00:05:22.540 specific group and you have turning back the clock, the twin events of Brexit and the election of Donald

00:05:30.540 Trump. And basically you have this group saying, why don't we use the same exact tactics against Trump

00:05:38.700 to undermine Trump and his supporters that we would use in an Eastern European country who's

00:05:44.340 recently elected leader we want to subvert or depose. Hence the color revolution directed inward. Hence

00:05:52.160 killing two birds with one stone, geopolitically demonizing Russia by amplifying it, but also 0.75

00:06:00.340 irrigating the imprimatur of national security by saying that Trump came into office on the basis of

00:06:09.560 Russian collaboration. There it no longer just the ordinary course of political combat. Trump and his

00:06:18.960 supporters are no longer just people you disagree with, not even no longer just racists who are morally

00:06:25.180 wrong. They become national security threats. So by combining the Trump issue with the Russia issue,

00:06:32.220 it was two birds with one stone. And that was really the original framework that the regime used in

00:06:40.800 order to reorient and weaponize the national security state domestically against against Trump supporters.

00:06:49.680 So that's sort of one framework here that I think is relevant. Another framework, though, is as this

00:06:56.420 process has played out. I mean, the premise here is always questionable. They're constantly talking

00:07:02.440 about democracy. And yet you kind of alluded to it in your in your monologue there when you said,

00:07:09.860 is it really the case that if Americans read RT or some other outlet that Americans are so stupid 0.98

00:07:17.700 that to read RT or some foreign outlet that's going to somehow subvert the democratic process? 0.99

00:07:25.100 I mean, maybe that's the case. But if that's the case, we're screwed anyway, because there's no way

00:07:31.040 the democratic process could work domestically either. If Americans are so broken in terms of

00:07:38.720 their deliberative functioning that they can be misled and manipulated by foreign propaganda,

00:07:46.540 the same thing applies to domestic propaganda. And the whole premise that people are able to make

00:07:52.740 their own political decisions based on weighing and sifting through information is proven to be

00:07:58.720 false. And therefore, we need to rethink democracy as such. So maybe that's the case, but it's certainly

00:08:05.720 not Russia's fault or any other foreign adversary. So I think it's interesting how these types of attacks

00:08:14.140 implicitly question the very premise of democracy, even though democracy is the number one word

00:08:21.400 that these types like to use in order to advance their agenda. So that's a second point. And I think

00:08:28.060 there's a third point here that's also relevant, which is notwithstanding all of this talk about

00:08:35.080 Russia, talk about China, this or that or that. At the end of the day, the only game in town,

00:08:42.300 the only game that matters is the game in America. I've propounded this thesis in a variety of contexts.

00:08:48.820 The wokeness comes from America. The political poison comes from America. If anything, other

00:08:55.760 nations should be very concerned about American influence on their countries, because all of a

00:09:01.200 sudden, where the U.S. flag goes up, there you have the rainbow flag and the drag queen shows are not far

00:09:07.100 behind. But all of these attempts and, you know, and in some cases, they're true. But the fundamental

00:09:14.700 truth is that the poison comes from home. The game that matters is here in America. The bad guys are

00:09:22.100 American and the good guys are American. And foreigners are just a footnote. Because let me 1.00

00:09:28.580 tell you something else, and I don't mean to give offense to anybody, but foreigners actually really 0.99

00:09:33.600 suck at propaganda. They are not good at propaganda. If you see, if you look at Russian propaganda, 0.98

00:09:40.960 let alone Chinese propaganda, which is a complete joke. It's horrible. As someone who's read way too

00:09:46.820 much Chinese state media, it's absolutely. But I think there's an important point to make that,

00:09:52.940 and I know Mike Benz makes this point a lot, that the distinction, this idea that America has a foreign

00:09:57.420 policy and a domestic policy isn't really true. Our foreign policy, I would argue, is really just more

00:10:02.660 of an extension of the domestic policy we have here, whether it's in terms of censorship or projecting

00:10:08.080 these pro-democratic values at home. And I want to link this story to something bigger that I was

00:10:13.300 discussing last week, but haven't been back on air since, at least in a few days. And that is Norm

00:10:19.300 Eisen, who is a name that people who follow Revolver News know very well. But he, in addition to Obama's

00:10:24.860 former campaign manager, as well as high-level staffers to the Harris campaign, they're being pulled

00:10:29.460 off. They're being whipped out of retirement to create this thing called, of course, the Democracy

00:10:34.480 Defenders Pack. And they're going to be spending millions of dollars in up and down ballot races,

00:10:39.300 not to even promote candidates, but to go after election lawfare, right, to challenge what they

00:10:45.220 say is going to be this massive Republican effort to strip everyone and their mother of their right

00:10:49.540 to vote. So can you sort of link the resurgence of Norm Eisen, who, by the way, it seems like every

00:10:54.520 day he's writing a new op-ed, most recently calling for those Georgia election workers to be stripped

00:10:59.700 of their position on that election board, the ones who pushed those election laws, saying just the

00:11:04.660 most absolutely ridiculous thing, saying the Supreme Court's going to, you know, come in at the 11th

00:11:08.400 hour and save President Trump. His resurgence, who he is, and how this dovetailing with the Russia 0.80

00:11:15.040 narrative, it's not looking good in terms of how they are stepping up their efforts to rig this

00:11:20.640 election. And I use that word intentionally. Absolutely. First, a quick point about what you said

00:11:26.300 about foreign policy. That's absolutely true. And it's an extension of what I was saying is we don't

00:11:30.500 have a foreign policy per se. All of our foreign policy is simply just a manifestation, a proxy for

00:11:38.800 domestic disputes. And the Trump-Russia thing, I think, recapitulates that well. To a certain extent,

00:11:45.060 even the Israel question recapitulates that. Our domestic political concerns completely overwhelm what

00:11:52.580 one might objectively think would be our geopolitical interests. One quick example of that,

00:11:58.800 Brazil. Bolsonaro was anti-China compared to Lula. Geopolitically, that would have been the way to go.

00:12:07.840 If anything, if our deep state were acting in America's geopolitical interests, they would have

00:12:13.520 helped Bolsonaro win. But the cultural affinity between the Bolsonaro movement and the Trump movement

00:12:22.520 was so much more important that our national security apparatus, which normally is hostile

00:12:28.520 to China, was willing to accept the relatively pro-China person because the affinity with the

00:12:35.960 Trump movement was considered to be the larger threat. So as to this Norm Eisen figure, we called

00:12:42.520 him out years ago. There was a famous segment with me and Tucker Carlson talking about Norm Eisen,

00:12:47.600 who was basically the chief legal hatchet man. He is the lawfare czar extraordinaire responsible for

00:12:56.040 basically every operation against Trump that you can imagine. He is a color revolution professional.

00:13:01.620 Incidentally, he wrote a book on how to effectuate color revolutions. He's applied pretty much every

00:13:08.260 single tactic he's recommended in that book against Trump, including these lawfare tactics. He also

00:13:14.660 has his fingerprints all over the January 6th operation. In fact, his legal partner is the one

00:13:22.680 who originally wrote the brief that became the basis for Benny Johnson's lawsuit against Trump,

00:13:31.060 which became the basis for subsequent indictments and the whole January 6th committee report.

00:13:37.200 So Norm Eisen is involved in everything. He's never taken a hiatus.

00:13:40.700 And so it doesn't surprise me at all to see that he's redoubling his efforts now in order to really

00:13:48.680 lean on this ridiculous censorship pretext of pointing fingers at Russia and some alleged

00:13:57.220 collusion or affinity, which has been disproven time and time again.

00:14:02.480 I wonder if these people ever get tired of having to say, Russia, Russia, Russia,

00:14:06.720 Russia, I think, apparently not evidenced by today. There's a lot of money in it.

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00:16:18.660 Welcome back to the war room, where I think we warned you about two weeks ago that they were 0.96

00:16:26.600 going to re-up this foreign election interference narrative because they know they are taking

00:16:31.100 a nosedive in the polls, the so-called Kamala momentum. I think they're doing a disservice to

00:16:36.680 the word momentum is, of course, petering out. So I guess Russia's back doing the bidding of the 0.93

00:16:42.460 Trump campaign, even though, if I'm not mistaken, they came out a few days ago, actually sort of

00:16:46.200 indirectly endorsing the Harris campaign. But I know nuance doesn't matter to our Atlanticist

00:16:51.140 elites. They're so used to lying, so I guess they don't even read their own rags. But anyways,

00:16:57.000 we still got Darren with us. Darren, before we let you go, I know you came on the show a few weeks

00:17:01.180 ago. You talked about some sort of campaign strategies that you thought the Trump campaign

00:17:05.260 should adopt. The clip went viral. Some good suggestions in there. Seems like he took another

00:17:10.000 one to heart suggesting on the Lex Friedman podcast. I'll digress on Lex Friedman, but to

00:17:15.480 discuss or rather to release the Epstein client list. Can you walk us through sort of your piece

00:17:20.960 and how we continue to see the ramifications of it today? Yes, this might be a case in which

00:17:26.100 the vaunted Lex algorithm will end up changing the course of history for the better. I never thought

00:17:31.820 this would be the case. But yes, Trump was on Lex Friedman, which is consistent with the strategy

00:17:37.640 I've advocated of maximum exposure, one-on-one interviews. And within the context of this

00:17:43.200 interview, Trump did something that was also, I think, quite intelligent. He said he would release

00:17:49.360 the Epstein list, among other things, JFK files. And these fall into the categories what I call

00:17:55.860 low-cost, high-leverage promises. There are a lot of people who are really passionate about this,

00:18:02.880 and there's nothing really to lose by pledging to do these things. And you can capture a passionate

00:18:09.900 segment of the electorate. And so I think he should continue on with these types of promises.

00:18:19.060 The one thing he remains to do, he needs to talk more about the airports. He needs to say,

00:18:23.600 you get me back in the White House and you won't have to take your shoes off for the TSA,

00:18:28.000 and we're going to have an infrastructure overhaul, and we're going to go to Congress and figure out

00:18:32.980 what the hell Biden and Kamala did with the $1.23 trillion spent on infrastructure,

00:18:41.940 pledged to infrastructure. We still have crumbling bridges and roads. In fact, Buttigieg,

00:18:47.700 with billions and billions of dollars, managed to build like seven electric charger stations.

00:18:54.380 Something ridiculous. It's like the transportation equivalent of that famous exchange with the

00:19:00.020 general in Congress. They said, how many Sunni rebels did you end up training? And he's like,

00:19:04.700 well, maybe five. It's exactly that kind of moment. So there needs to be accountability there as well.

00:19:12.140 But I think Trump is doing a very good job with these interviews. We need to see more of that.

00:19:17.660 And I hope the debate goes very well.

00:19:19.500 Darren, if people want to follow you, stay up to date with everything you're working on at

00:19:25.800 Revolver, where can they go to do all that? Revolver.news, Revolver.news. If there's one

00:19:30.820 lesson people should understand from all this Russia, Russia, Russia, this or that, this or that,

00:19:35.460 America is the only game in town. We've got the bad guys. We have the good guys. The foreigners 1.00

00:19:40.360 are a footnote. And yes, sorry to say it, guys, they suck at propaganda. Foreigners suck at 1.00

00:19:46.100 propaganda. The only game in town is right here in the United States. 1.00

00:19:49.500 Darren, thank you so much for joining us. We'll have you back on soon.

00:19:54.480 Thank you, Natalie.

00:19:56.580 Now, War Room Posse. Like I warned, I think, what was it, two, three weeks ago in the special edition

00:20:01.700 of War Room that I did, Ballot Warfare. I told you they were going to re-up this foreign election 0.99

00:20:06.200 interference narrative, though at the time they were going down the Iran rabbit hole. Now they seem to

00:20:11.160 have pivoted back to what is comfortable, that is the Russia, Russia, Russia hoax. Make no mistake,

00:20:16.700 whether it's Norm Eisen re-emerging, whether it's this foreign election interference popping up again,

00:20:21.700 whether it's the continued vamping in CNN, MSNBC, The New York Times, you name it, about how there are

00:20:27.240 shortages in election offices of staffers. Because you guessed it, MAGA is violent. MAGA is radical.

00:20:33.620 MAGA is even racist, even sexist. That's a new angle of attack that they're going with.

00:20:37.580 That there's no one who wants to work in elections anymore. They've been intimidated.

00:20:41.460 They've been edged out. They've been pushed out. So naturally, you're seeing even more reporting

00:20:45.560 that there's going to be delays in election results. I'm sure they'll probably find shortages

00:20:49.200 of paper ballots. And oh, if you push for voter ID laws, it's also racist. And if you don't attach

00:20:55.920 the SAVE Act, or if you do, then it's also bad. Because apparently non-citizens, even though they're 0.99

00:21:01.600 not a threat and not voting in this election, if we institute legislation that would prevent

00:21:05.780 them from doing so, the entire left and Democratic media apparatus is going to melt down.

00:21:10.980 But here's the best part. While they sit there from their ivory tower and lecture us that we

00:21:15.540 are radical anti-democracy activists for, I don't know, daring to support a few days, maybe

00:21:20.980 a week or two longer extension in the certification of election results. And not just the most important

00:21:26.260 election in the history of this country, but of the, what? I think there's over 60, 90 years,

00:21:31.540 or so countries having elections in 2024, the most important election of all of those.

00:21:36.560 We want to make sure we get it right. So shout out to those patriots down in Georgia who were

00:21:40.540 daring to stick their neck out. Brian Kemp is offering them no cover. He's come out and

00:21:45.040 said, oh, actually, we don't support this law. But in the same breath that Democrats and

00:21:50.060 their mainstream media lackeys, their henchmen, are saying that shows like this, who dare to 0.70

00:21:54.720 actually defend election integrity, that we're crazy and that we're burning down this country.

00:21:59.920 Do you know what they're saying on MSNBC? They're quite literally saying that we need to do away

00:22:06.000 with the Constitution and that that is the number one threat plaguing American democracy

00:22:10.960 right now. Listen to what MSNBC had to say just last week. Denver, if you can roll that clip.

00:22:15.680 The most consequential elections in American history, the political divide is wide with both

00:22:25.380 sides of the aisle believing a win for their opponent could doom the country. But the dean

00:22:30.120 of Berkeley Law School argues it's not just politics, but America's founding document, the

00:22:35.640 Constitution, that needs a bit of an overhaul. Joining us now is Dean Erwin Chemerinsky. His new book

00:22:41.280 is titled No Democracy Lasts Forever, How the Constitution Threatens the United States. Dean

00:22:47.680 Chemerinsky, thanks for being with us this morning. So how, in your view, does the Constitution that this

00:22:52.740 country was built on and has been for nearly 250 years is a threat, actually, to the country?

00:22:59.860 Choices that were made in adopting the Constitution have come to haunt us. The Electoral College

00:23:06.200 increasingly is choosing the president who lost the popular vote. Two senators per state is

00:23:13.180 undermining democracy. In the last session of Congress, there were 50 Democratic senators and 50

00:23:19.060 Republican senators, but the 50 Democratic senators represented 42 million people. Life tenure for Supreme

00:23:26.060 Court justices is increasingly problematic. For much of American history, the tenure for Supreme Court

00:23:32.400 justice was an average of 15 years. Since 1970, it's been 27 years. All of these are choices made in

00:23:40.840 1787, but they've become much more salient in recent years. An overhaul of the United States

00:23:48.240 Constitution that's coming from the same people who say that patriots down in Georgia who dare to

00:23:54.880 extend the certification process when it comes to election results, that those people are anti-democratic,

00:24:01.300 that those people hate the United States. But it's okay to go on primetime MSNBC and say that we need

00:24:08.240 to effectively put the Constitution through a paper shredder. Now, we know that they've been wanting

00:24:13.720 to do that forever, right? That's not any major conspiracy, though I use that word intentionally.

00:24:20.880 But it's the timing that matters. We know the media works in lies of omission. And for them to be now

00:24:26.900 upping their assault on the United States Constitution, we know they deal in projection,

00:24:31.620 while simultaneously saying that we are burning democracy to the ground. We're using a torch and

00:24:37.780 quite literally setting this country ablaze because we actually want to demand election integrity.

00:24:42.580 I mean, that is some next-level psychological warfare that they're waging on us. And to this point

00:24:47.720 of timing. Now, there was a very important article that they put up over the Labor Day weekend

00:24:53.000 in Politico. Now, I tweeted it out, but I haven't been back on air since, and I wanted to give it

00:24:59.740 its due time because it dovetails quite nicely with the story we see coming out of DOJ, of State

00:25:07.180 Department today about Russian election interference. Now, this is not the war room, this is not Gateway

00:25:11.860 Pundit. This is not Real America's Voice. This is Politico. Hacking Blindspot. States struggle

00:25:18.920 to vet coders of election software. Let's read the tagline. In New Hampshire, a cyber security firm

00:25:27.200 found troubling security bugs in the Ukrainian national anthem written into a voter database

00:25:33.160 built with the help of an overseas subcontractor. Now, if I'm not mistaken, many of you guys in this

00:25:40.560 audience, this show, people who've hosted this show, have not just been censored and blacklisted,

00:25:45.840 but in some cases thrown in prison for daring to say stuff like this, such as our elections are not

00:25:51.820 safe. That is the same talking points that Democrats have used since 2016. But now it's okay that the

00:25:58.360 mainstream media says it. So it's not actually that I'm leaning in or embracing their narrative. The

00:26:02.680 question is, why now? And when you see that story come out in conjunction with just now,

00:26:08.600 the Biden regime saying that Russia is coming to hack our election results, not only does that,

00:26:14.380 of course, prove that they're in collusion, but it makes you wonder what they have planned

00:26:18.160 for election day. And if you read this story, I'll paraphrase it, but this is the quote.

00:26:23.180 Politico found during a six-month-long investigation there is little oversight of the supply chain

00:26:27.940 that produces crucial election software. Hackers could manipulate a state's voter list,

00:26:32.820 adding fictitious people to the rolls, changing real voters' information, or directing voters to the wrong

00:26:38.080 polling places on election day. That might have only a modest or indirect result on the vote.

00:26:44.940 Now, don't mind me, Politico, if I don't really take you at your word, because I'm pretty sure you

00:26:48.960 were the same news outlet that hyped the words of those 51 intel officers that told me that Hunter

00:26:54.560 Biden's hard drive was Russian disinformation. So when you guys sit back and tell me not to get upset

00:26:59.980 or concerned about the fact that the Ukrainian national anthem, as well as overseas subcontractors

00:27:06.080 using open source code, are backing our election software, I don't think I'm gonna take your word

00:27:12.080 for it that they're not gonna be able to manipulate the results of our election.

00:27:16.060 And the best part of this piece, they don't really even focus on what I would argue, not just the

00:27:20.340 buried lead, but the blazing lead should be, which is that foreign nationals are hacking our election 1.00

00:27:25.920 software. And I can tell you, the dude who put the Ukraine national anthem in there, he didn't just

00:27:29.940 stop at that. These people know what a Trump victory means for Ukraine. But these very same

00:27:35.140 people, the whole article, the number one point they make is we don't want to give any fodder

00:27:39.540 to conspiracy theorists. Oh, nothing's gonna happen. It's not actually gonna impact the results of the

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00:29:20.080 Here's your host, Stephen K. Mann.

00:29:28.520 Welcome back to The War Room. My production team reminded me that I needed to do a My Patriot

00:29:34.340 Supply read because they love My Patriot Supply that much. And I know this audience does too.

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00:29:49.140 ever need to defend your home and maybe from Russian disinformation. Apparently, that's

00:29:54.140 the new number one national security threat in this country. It's all our elites seem to

00:29:57.860 care about. Mike Benz, you join us now. I briefly mentioned your name when I was talking to Darren,

00:30:03.780 but I would love to just sort of get, not to sound narcissistic, but your thoughts on everything I

00:30:08.000 was just ranting on about. But the sort of the, you know, re-upped efforts on the Constitution,

00:30:14.480 the Russian disinformation narrative resurging, all of these narratives converging like I ended last

00:30:20.020 block. I don't think it bodes well for the election. What are your thoughts?

00:30:24.840 Well, starting with the amending the Constitution push that we're seeing in the New York Times,

00:30:29.960 in Politico, from the deans of law school. I think it's very important for people to keep in mind

00:30:35.500 when they see this, that this is all the Transition Integrity Project blueprint from 2020 being re-upped

00:30:43.000 now in case they need it for 2024. So in 2020, there was this group called the Transition Integrity

00:30:49.880 Project. It was headed by Rosa Brooks, who was a senior White House official for the Obama

00:30:54.140 administration with a CIA blue badge, who ran this, her and her group, the Transition Integrity

00:30:59.880 Project, ran this tabletop simulation for how to stop a Trump coup, was nominally what they did.

00:31:06.960 They basically said, listen, we're a bunch of military, intelligence, political, statecraft

00:31:12.300 people whose jobs in the past have been overthrowing foreign countries when they have authoritarian

00:31:17.620 dictators who are holding on to power. So we need to be able to create the same sort of mechanism

00:31:25.500 here at home in case Trump loses the election and refuses to leave office. That's what they said.

00:31:32.320 But if you look at the simulations they actually ran, they ran four simulations, but simulation three

00:31:36.980 was called Clear Trump Win. How can we still run Trump out of office, even if he wins fair and square

00:31:44.380 in the electoral college? And what they tabletopped with John Podesta, no less Hillary Clinton's campaign

00:31:51.360 manager. And now the climate czar in charge of nearly $400 billion of White House funds,

00:31:58.180 is they ran this simulation called Clear Trump Win, which involved invoking a breakdown on January 6th

00:32:06.640 to prevent Donald Trump's certification. They ran this in June 2020. So five months before election day

00:32:13.260 and seven months before January 6th, 2021, they ran a crisis simulator for how they could get their assets,

00:32:21.260 including in left wing street muscle paramilitary groups like Black Lives Matter and Antifa to take to the streets

00:32:29.580 and to be receptive to a Biden call to take to the streets, to shut down the country, to basically terrorize

00:32:37.540 the country, to even have states threatened to secede from the union. In the tabletop exercise,

00:32:45.060 they even created this sort of breakaway American region called Cascadia, which involved California,

00:32:51.800 Oregon, and Washington state seceding unless Donald Trump was prevented from taking the oath of office.

00:32:59.320 And certain structural reforms are made, such as determining elections by a popular vote instead

00:33:03.540 of the electoral college. And part of the linchpin of that is they was to invoke a constitutional crisis

00:33:08.360 that the electoral college was no longer valid under what the constitution should be.

00:33:14.300 And so the winner should be the popular vote. So if it so happened, Trump won the electoral college,

00:33:19.120 they would still be able to run him out of office color revolution style and simply say, well,

00:33:24.020 whoever won the popular vote should really be the president if you want the destabilization and

00:33:28.140 destruction of our country to end. So what you're seeing right now is essentially this kind of

00:33:33.540 academic journalistic predicate being laid months before the election to be able to give gravitas,

00:33:40.440 to be able to give institutional support to this technique should they need to use it. And we know

00:33:45.760 that they are already considering running back that playbook because Rosa Brooks and her group just

00:33:50.940 a month ago published in The Guardian that they ran a similar tabletop exercise in 2024 and the

00:33:57.220 linchpin of it are public protests and destabilization. So I don't see any of this as an accident.

00:34:03.260 Not one bit. What they're doing is they are laying a predicate for extra constitutional action should

00:34:10.020 they decide they need to use it. An overhaul. That's a euphemism if I've ever heard one. I think

00:34:17.300 another fake distinction that we see, like you pointed out in your wonderful interview with Tucker,

00:34:23.000 is the distinction between America's foreign policy and domestic policy, right? There really is none.

00:34:28.480 And when you look overseas at what's happening, not even in the case of France and the telegram

00:34:33.120 arrests, but now Brazil and the sort of X back and forth, and frankly, the lack of United States

00:34:38.620 explicit involvement in terms of issuing statements, which to me means they're, you know, tacitly involved

00:34:43.960 on the underhanded side of things. Can you kind of walk the audience through where we stand on,

00:34:48.480 I guess, both those situations, but what that means, the implications for censorship here at home?

00:34:53.760 Yeah. If you recall, two years ago, the United States passed sanctions on Iran for censoring

00:35:01.100 their own people. In 2017, the State Department passed sanctions on North Korea for censoring

00:35:06.820 their own people. This is a common trick that we did. We did this in Belarus. But, you know, 0.98

00:35:12.440 people need to understand that free speech is an instrument of U.S. statecraft. But now,

00:35:17.880 after 2016, when the technology and institutional swell shored up into the censorship apparatus,

00:35:26.420 censorship became an instrument of statecraft. And all around the world, in 140 countries now,

00:35:31.300 the U.S. State Department has its tentacles into other countries' own censorship activities in order

00:35:37.640 to strategically censor rising political opposition who might rise to power and oppose the State

00:35:43.480 Department's agenda there. And what they're doing in Brazil against X is the culmination of six years 0.69

00:35:51.220 of State Department activity in the region. When I say State Department, I mean the State Department,

00:35:55.840 U.S. aid, and about 1,000 U.S.-funded government-organized non-governmental organizations,

00:36:02.020 essentially CIA cutouts and State Department grantees, who all swarmed into the region in order

00:36:07.960 to influence Brazil's own internal speech laws and speech edicts through their censorship court,

00:36:14.360 the TSE, in order to prevent any pro-Bolsonaro sentiment from being shared by and among the

00:36:21.580 Brazilian people. So it started really in 2018 when Bolsonaro was running. The State Department

00:36:27.580 had already basically gotten Facebook, YouTube, and Twitter under control in terms of censoring

00:36:32.340 Bolsonaro. This is the reason that most of Gab's first user base regionally came from Brazil.

00:36:37.960 It's because they were already censored by the U.S. censorship apparatus, who deemed them to be

00:36:43.180 far-right. And so we're kicking them off of social media for hate speech and the like,

00:36:49.540 for supporting Bolsonaro. So then these pro-Bolsonaro supporters in Brazil started flocking

00:36:55.560 to WhatsApp and Telegram. So the State Department leaned on Facebook, and that brought WhatsApp to

00:37:00.580 heel. WhatsApp folded to Brazil's censorship requirements within two and a half days. It took

00:37:06.880 Telegram about two and a half years of holding out before Telegram was actually banned in Brazil

00:37:12.100 for about 48 hours. It was illegal to access Telegram in Brazil in 2022 until they agreed to certain

00:37:20.720 misinformation reforms that would prevent anyone who supported Bolsonaro from being able to have a

00:37:27.100 popular Telegram channel. And so they brought Telegram to heel in 2022. But then a funny thing happened.

00:37:33.660 One of their little pawns, Twitter 1.0, was acquired by Elon Musk, which said about this heart attack

00:37:41.760 in the State Department that they were now going to—all the hard work, all the effort they had poured,

00:37:47.620 all the millions of dollars they had poured into targeting Bolsonaro supporters on all these

00:37:53.520 different U.S. platforms and non-U.S. platforms like Telegram was all coming undone because X was—is,

00:37:59.660 you know, the largest incubator of political thought. It's got long-form video, too, so it's basically an

00:38:05.340 everything app. And X was completely free from censorship in Brazil. So they cracked down,

00:38:12.900 and what we're seeing right now is a coordinated effort. And the way I describe it is Brazil,

00:38:18.880 like the United States, has a sprawling spiderweb of censorship institutions. You have the censorship

00:38:24.680 court, the TSE. You have the Brazilian Supreme Court, the STF, which oversees that. You have

00:38:31.840 these advisory committees, these external stakeholder groups on disinformation. You have legal scholarship

00:38:37.300 on disinformation there. You have these university centers dedicated to disinformation there. You have

00:38:42.340 these journalism outlets with disinformation beats there. You have these fact-checker networks

00:38:46.420 with disinformation beats there. You have these activists calling for dis—you have this totally

00:38:51.420 astroturfed, U.S. government-funded censorship spiderweb within Brazil that provides the political

00:38:57.460 support for Domores, this tyrant who's making these decrees, to have the political capacity to do what 0.99

00:39:04.880 he's currently doing. But that spiderweb comes from the United States. So when you see this Brazilian 1.00

00:39:11.860 spider sinking its fangs into the fly of a U.S. platform, those are star-spangled fangs. That is the U.S. State

00:39:22.480 Department and U.S. aid and the National Endowment for Democracy and a thousand U.S. government-funded

00:39:27.920 institutions coming from truck drivers. It's our members of Congress, too. And I know that you've been

00:39:33.940 hammering them time after time on Twitter. But you've been saying, fly me into D.C. Let me brief you guys.

00:39:40.140 They're willing to put out tweets talking a tough game when it comes to, you know, defending X in

00:39:45.220 Brazil. But then why are they still funding all these entities that are propping up this censorship

00:39:50.720 spider that you're alluding to? What does Congress need to do to actually move the needle on this

00:39:55.960 issue and not just put out another damn strongly worded letter? Well, there's any one of five 0.97

00:40:01.600 congressional committees which can get the ball rolling for momentum against this. House Foreign

00:40:05.740 Affairs, House Intelligence, House Weaponization, House Oversight, and House Appropriations. Part of

00:40:11.760 the issue is House Foreign Affairs has been a complete black box for protecting Americans against

00:40:18.080 censorship. I mean, think about this, Natalie. A month ago, the head of the EU Commission for

00:40:25.400 Enforcement of the Digital Services Act threatened Elon Musk with arrest and practically forbade him

00:40:31.860 from talking to the current presidential nominee of the Republican Party as well as the former U.S.

00:40:38.720 president. And the Republican-controlled House Foreign Affairs Committee said, I ain't looking.

00:40:44.020 Not a single reaction. Not a single statement. Not a single hearing. Not a single subpoena to the U.S.

00:40:49.960 ambassador to the EU. Not a single demand for all communications with the EU, between the EU and

00:40:57.420 the U.S. State Department ambassador to the EU. None of it. So the House Foreign Affairs Committee

00:41:03.980 has either been in a coma for six years now or they're captured. Now, hopefully that can start

00:41:12.580 to change over the course of the coming weeks as pressure, I think, is being applied to have them

00:41:17.560 actually wake up from this. Remember, it took about four or five years for House representatives

00:41:23.600 in Congress to take on the censorship issue. The fact is, in 2017 and 2018, when there was a

00:41:29.520 Republican-controlled Congress, all of this censorship infrastructure was being laid down.

00:41:34.120 I was screaming about it even then at the top of my lungs. But Republicans in Congress were holding

00:41:39.100 hearings about how Russia may have interfered on Facebook and they should actually do more to censor.

00:41:44.160 So now that has started to change as we've had, I think, excellent interrogations into the

00:41:50.620 censorship industry by folks like Jim Jordan at weaponization and oversight from James Comer

00:41:55.580 and Dan Bishop from the House Homeland Security Committee. But the fact is, is that the State

00:42:00.860 Department, the global blob, is not really their purview. It could be. But the fact is, is they

00:42:07.460 already have their hands full taking on weaponization of the Justice Department, the FBI, DHS, and so many

00:42:13.820 of these rogue agencies. The House Foreign Affairs Committee has one job. You oversee and hold to

00:42:20.260 account the U.S. State Department, USAID, NED, and all these other soft power institutions who do

00:42:27.300 democracy promotion programs. Well, guess what? Censorship is now part of the toolkit of democracy

00:42:33.320 promotion. Okay? Let me say it again.

00:42:35.160 And Mike, we're coming up against the end of the break, or rather the show. If people want to

00:42:40.600 follow you, get access. I know you guys are always putting up reports on this on your website. Where

00:42:44.540 can they go to do all that? I'm going to say that again. Democracy is a tool of, censorship is a tool

00:42:51.520 of democracy promotion. Censorship is a tool of democracy promotion. I'm always cutting you off. I'm

00:42:55.480 sorry. All of these democracy promotion programs have a censorship element to it now. And House Foreign

00:42:59.560 Affairs can defang it. House of Probes can defund it. Get to work, people. You can follow me at

00:43:03.620 MikeBenzCyber on X. At MikeBenzCyber on X. It's the show clock. It's not me before the audience

00:43:09.340 starts giving me hate. We'll be back after this short break. Mike Benz, as always, thank you for

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00:44:25.480 Welcome back to The War Room. You know we are championing the SAVE Act here in The War Room.

00:44:41.020 But if it seems like House Republicans, or frankly Republicans as a whole, are just used to losing,

00:44:47.900 you always are left wondering, wow, it's almost like it seems like they're controlled opposition.

00:44:52.720 Dare I use that C word when I critique our Republican bettors, the ones that we work so hard to elect and

00:45:00.100 doorknock and donate to. Well, if it feels like they want Trump to lose, it's almost because they do.

00:45:06.680 There's a new story in Politico today, which don't lose your breath when you read that headline.

00:45:13.020 If Republicans want to win, they need Trump to lose. EM-big. Now, if you go through the story,

00:45:18.900 there's two buried leads that I want to go through, but we'll start opening the firing squad,

00:45:24.420 metaphorically, of course, on House Republicans. Trump will never concede defeat, no matter how

00:45:29.380 thorough his loss. Or rather, you know what, we'll start here. In fact, asking around with Republicans

00:45:33.840 last week, the most fervent private debate I came across in the party was how best to accelerate

00:45:38.640 Trump's exit to the 19th hole. One high-level Republican conceded it may only be wishful thinking,

00:45:44.080 even floated the idea of a Harris victory followed by Biden pardons of both his son Hunter and Trump.

00:45:49.420 That would take the issue of both cases off Harris's plate. More to the point,

00:45:53.360 drain the energy behind Trump's persecution complex so that Republicans can get on with the

00:45:57.740 business of winning elections. The best possible outcome in November for the future of the Republican

00:46:02.440 party is for former President Donald Trump to lose and lose soundly. GOP leaders won't tell you

00:46:07.720 that on the record. I just did, end quote. That is Politico. Now, we know the mainstream media

00:46:13.960 lies, but they also calculate and curate narratives. And this story is so important

00:46:20.360 because it confirms, frankly, the reason that the war room exists, right? Which is that our

00:46:26.680 House Republicans are so-called allies. They don't have our backs. They want President Trump

00:46:31.220 to lose. That's why they negotiated the debt ceiling deal the way that they did, basically

00:46:35.020 handing away free leverage to the Democratic Party. Now, of course, we're seeing some engagement

00:46:39.920 when it comes to the SAVE Act. Maybe if that materializes, that'll give us a little bit

00:46:43.620 of a win. But they are doing everything in their power to prevent a Trump victory. They're laughing

00:46:49.420 in back rooms with Politico reporters. Imagine what they're saying off the record. Imagine what

00:46:54.160 they're doing off the record. But they're also doing everything in front of us to make President

00:46:58.180 Trump's victory a pyrrhic victory. What do I mean by that? That's why they haven't mounted any actual

00:47:03.920 offense to the pandemic treaty, which would effectively strip President Trump of any ability, should he win,

00:47:09.740 to do anything on the public health pandemic front? Because the WHO would have all the power

00:47:14.080 in that regard. That's why they made it so any president, no matter what, they can't back out

00:47:18.880 of NATO. That's why they've straddled him and just strapped him with unrecognizable amounts

00:47:24.340 of debt and irresponsible fiscal spending. Because they want to basically make it so that his hands

00:47:29.720 are tied, that he can't do anything. Because the number one beneficiary of that is the deep state,

00:47:34.240 is the permanent political class, is the administrative state. It's right, it's the Death Star critique of the

00:47:39.040 Washington, D.C. government. They don't like change. That's why you can't normalize President

00:47:44.880 Trump, because he represents really a blowing up of that system, metaphorically, of course.

00:47:51.300 But a much-needed reassortment and reassessment of what our so-called government is doing for we,

00:47:58.160 the people. Because last time I checked, they're not doing much except throwing us in prison.

00:48:02.420 Now, the other important takeaway from this story is this line right here.

00:48:08.260 Trump will never concede defeat, no matter how thorough his loss. Yet the more decisively

00:48:12.660 Vice President Kamala Harris wins the popular vote in Electoral College, the less political

00:48:17.260 oxygen he'll have to reprise his 2020 antics. And importantly, the faster Republicans can begin

00:48:23.180 building a post-Trump party. Obviously, they want to make the 2016 victory seem like an anomaly,

00:48:30.220 an aberration. So they can say that the Republican Party's shift to more populist policies, which

00:48:35.700 really is just aligning with the actual grassroots activist class, as opposed to the open borders

00:48:41.320 Koch brother-type donor class. Nothing radical there, just aligning the interests with the American

00:48:46.620 people. They want to say that 2016 was an aberration. So let's go back to pitching the Mitt Romneys

00:48:52.080 and the John McCains of the world, because those MAGA people are just too damn crazy. 0.96

00:48:56.240 The most important part of this article isn't to get you worked up, isn't to get you mad. 0.93

00:49:00.080 They're telling you the plan right there. They need Harris to win by such a margin, not only to

00:49:06.080 give for the so-called legitimacy and accountability that Joe Biden never had, but they need that margin

00:49:12.460 to be so high, so big, that they are going to do everything in their power when it comes to the legal

00:49:18.160 election challenges spearheaded by Mark Elias, by Norm Eisen, by all these shady, dark money groups.

00:49:23.660 They're not going to play fair. It's why they're accusing Trump. Do a Boolean search right now for

00:49:29.140 Trump in rigged election. Every other article that's coming out is saying that Trump is going

00:49:33.860 to rig the election. Trump is going to say it was a rigged election. These people deal in projection,

00:49:39.840 right? It's the Alinsky-ite rule. Accuses the enemy of what you're guilty of. They are going to make the 0.64

00:49:45.200 margins such that there's no way that the Trump campaign can even claw back or begin to have

00:49:51.000 victories in court because they're going to have so many non-citizens voting. That's why they're so 1.00

00:49:56.740 adamantly opposed to the SAVE Act in the same breath that they tell us that no non-citizens vote.

00:50:01.260 Then why the heck do you guys care if the SAVE Act gets passed, right? It doesn't make sense.

00:50:06.100 Almost like it's Russian disinformation. Someone who knows probably, probably you've been accused of

00:50:11.200 being a Russian disinformation agent way too many times. Probably every form of disinformation agent

00:50:16.680 is Mike Lindell, who joins us now. Mike, spread some disinformation here in the war room.

00:50:22.880 Well, I'm telling you, you're right. Probably the most attacked company in history because of me

00:50:27.940 speaking out for our election platforms. You're spot on. This uniparty, the Republican uniparty,

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00:50:41.200 my biggest pushbacks are these uniparty Republicans, starting with Georgia, Wisconsin,

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00:51:03.920 everybody. These are people that are against the people. And this is what we get one shot at this.

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00:52:19.000 Thank you, as always, Mike Lindell. And thank you, Warren Posse, for hanging with me. I will see you

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Bannon's War Room - September 04, 2024

Episode 3881： Desperate Times Call For Russia Collusion Hoax

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