Episode 3881： Desperate Times Call For Russia Collusion Hoax
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The U.S. is taking steps to target what they allege are attempts by Russian-backed actors to influence public opinion here in the United States ahead of the 2020 presidential election, according to two senior officials. Natalie Winters, Ken Delaney, and Jose Andrade break down the latest in a growing list of government actions targeting Russian propaganda and disinformation aimed at interfering in the 2024 election.
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administration taking a series of actions to target what they allege are attempts by
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Russian-backed actors to manipulate public opinion here in the U.S. ahead of the presidential
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election, according to two senior U.S. officials. Joining us now is NBC's Ken Delaney. Ken,
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Jose, this is being described by our sources as a whole-of-government action designed to target
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Russian propaganda and disinformation aimed at interfering in the 2024 election. It is said to
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include sanctions by the Treasury Department, law enforcement action by the Justice Department,
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and one of the focuses is on RT, formerly known as Russia Today, that network of Russian government
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funded English language websites and television platforms that was flagged all the way back in
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2017 by the U.S. intelligence community as a vehicle for Russian disinformation and election
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interference. And at that time, the Justice Department required RT to register as a foreign
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agent. It remains to be seen exactly what actions the U.S. will take against RT today, but this does
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appear to represent an escalation in the efforts to try to purge the system of Russian propaganda
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and disinformation. What's interesting is that, look, the U.S. has been saying all along that not
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only Russia, but Iran and China, but particularly Russia, has been consistently trying to manipulate
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American public opinion with disinformation on social media platforms, use of fake accounts,
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and through RT, through its state-sponsored platforms, as they did in 2016. The difference
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now is that there are mechanisms in place, particularly on social media platforms, to try to stop and flag
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fake accounts before the influence operations spread too widely. So it remains to be seen what impact this
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Russian disinformation is having. But nonetheless, this is a stance by the Biden administration to
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say, if you're violating U.S. laws and policies, we're going to come after you. And Attorney General
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Merrick Garland is expected to chair a meeting of the government's election task force today, this
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afternoon, with FBI Director Chris Wray and other officials. And he may have public comments to make
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about this effort at that time, Jose. And so, Ken, this is, again, just breaking as we speak, but the DOJ
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targeting. Welcome to the War Room. It's Wednesday, September 4th, in the year of our Lord, 2024. Natalie
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Winters, I'm back. I feel like I've been gone for a few days. I guess I step out and we see the Russia hoax is
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already being revived. Absolutely insane. We're going to have Dr. Darren J. Beattie joining us shortly to break all of
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that down. But hey, if the FBI is now looking for foreign assets or foreign influence operations,
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I think they should look no further than the Kamala Harris campaign. I'd start with Tim Waltz,
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who's deeply in bed with the Chinese Communist Party. But we know that's not the sort of foreign
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influence or interference they're actually looking for, because that's actually substantive and
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well-documented. They want to chase random rabbit holes, where they always end up with the conclusion
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of going after MAGA and people who actually spread truth on these social media platforms that they
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love to say were what? I think it was the New York Times that said we're the number one spreader of
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misinformation. Well, I wear that as a badge of honor, and I would say we're going to keep spreading
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Russian disinformation, at least the way you guys like to use that phrase here on this show.
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We will not be deterred. Got another story that we're going to get to later in the show having
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to do with, that's right, the Ukrainian national anthem being embedded in election software,
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not in Ukraine, not in Russia, but here in the United States, the very same people who are telling
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us not only that our elections are secure, but that the biggest threat we need to face
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is some random Russian hackers and some Russian bots, because Americans are apparently so dumb
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that if you read an article from RT, you're all of a sudden going to change every ideology
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and viewpoint you hold, because Russia bad, Russia bad, Russia bad. Yeah, we didn't fall for
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it in 2016. We're not going to fall for it now. Now, I am sure, I don't want to get ahead
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of myself, but I think that Darren probably shares my same viewpoint. But Darren, I'd love to get
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your thoughts on sort of the re-upping of this narrative. They're choosing to single out Russia.
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They didn't go with Iran. They didn't go with China. Why Russia? Why now? What does the audience
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need to know? Well, great to be back with you, Natalie. And yes, this is an important and ever-evolving
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saga. I mean, if we really wanted to start at the beginning, we'd have to say how basically this subset
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of the national security community, this subset of the deep state called the Atlanticists or whatever
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they're concerned geopolitically about, the Atlantic as opposed to the Pacific. They're obsessed with
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Ukraine. They're obsessed with the geopolitics of energy. They're obsessed with things like the
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Nord Stream pipeline, which magically blew up much in their favor. This is their orientation. And it just
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so happens that this Atlanticist subset of the national security state was also deeply concerned
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with the rise of populism because populism posed a variety of threats to the Atlanticists and their
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geopolitical order. The Atlanticists also had a preferred methodology for dealing with political
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leaders that they don't like called the color revolution methodology. And so you have this
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specific group and you have turning back the clock, the twin events of Brexit and the election of Donald
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Trump. And basically you have this group saying, why don't we use the same exact tactics against Trump
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to undermine Trump and his supporters that we would use in an Eastern European country who's
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recently elected leader we want to subvert or depose. Hence the color revolution directed inward. Hence
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killing two birds with one stone, geopolitically demonizing Russia by amplifying it, but also
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irrigating the imprimatur of national security by saying that Trump came into office on the basis of
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Russian collaboration. There it no longer just the ordinary course of political combat. Trump and his
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supporters are no longer just people you disagree with, not even no longer just racists who are morally
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wrong. They become national security threats. So by combining the Trump issue with the Russia issue,
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it was two birds with one stone. And that was really the original framework that the regime used in
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order to reorient and weaponize the national security state domestically against against Trump supporters.
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So that's sort of one framework here that I think is relevant. Another framework, though, is as this
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process has played out. I mean, the premise here is always questionable. They're constantly talking
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about democracy. And yet you kind of alluded to it in your in your monologue there when you said,
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is it really the case that if Americans read RT or some other outlet that Americans are so stupid
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that to read RT or some foreign outlet that's going to somehow subvert the democratic process?
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I mean, maybe that's the case. But if that's the case, we're screwed anyway, because there's no way
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the democratic process could work domestically either. If Americans are so broken in terms of
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their deliberative functioning that they can be misled and manipulated by foreign propaganda,
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the same thing applies to domestic propaganda. And the whole premise that people are able to make
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their own political decisions based on weighing and sifting through information is proven to be
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false. And therefore, we need to rethink democracy as such. So maybe that's the case, but it's certainly
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not Russia's fault or any other foreign adversary. So I think it's interesting how these types of attacks
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implicitly question the very premise of democracy, even though democracy is the number one word
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that these types like to use in order to advance their agenda. So that's a second point. And I think
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there's a third point here that's also relevant, which is notwithstanding all of this talk about
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Russia, talk about China, this or that or that. At the end of the day, the only game in town,
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the only game that matters is the game in America. I've propounded this thesis in a variety of contexts.
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The wokeness comes from America. The political poison comes from America. If anything, other
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nations should be very concerned about American influence on their countries, because all of a
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sudden, where the U.S. flag goes up, there you have the rainbow flag and the drag queen shows are not far
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behind. But all of these attempts and, you know, and in some cases, they're true. But the fundamental
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truth is that the poison comes from home. The game that matters is here in America. The bad guys are
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American and the good guys are American. And foreigners are just a footnote. Because let me
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tell you something else, and I don't mean to give offense to anybody, but foreigners actually really
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suck at propaganda. They are not good at propaganda. If you see, if you look at Russian propaganda,
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let alone Chinese propaganda, which is a complete joke. It's horrible. As someone who's read way too
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much Chinese state media, it's absolutely. But I think there's an important point to make that,
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and I know Mike Benz makes this point a lot, that the distinction, this idea that America has a foreign
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policy and a domestic policy isn't really true. Our foreign policy, I would argue, is really just more
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of an extension of the domestic policy we have here, whether it's in terms of censorship or projecting
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these pro-democratic values at home. And I want to link this story to something bigger that I was
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discussing last week, but haven't been back on air since, at least in a few days. And that is Norm
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Eisen, who is a name that people who follow Revolver News know very well. But he, in addition to Obama's
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former campaign manager, as well as high-level staffers to the Harris campaign, they're being pulled
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off. They're being whipped out of retirement to create this thing called, of course, the Democracy
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Defenders Pack. And they're going to be spending millions of dollars in up and down ballot races,
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not to even promote candidates, but to go after election lawfare, right, to challenge what they
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say is going to be this massive Republican effort to strip everyone and their mother of their right
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to vote. So can you sort of link the resurgence of Norm Eisen, who, by the way, it seems like every
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day he's writing a new op-ed, most recently calling for those Georgia election workers to be stripped
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of their position on that election board, the ones who pushed those election laws, saying just the
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most absolutely ridiculous thing, saying the Supreme Court's going to, you know, come in at the 11th
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hour and save President Trump. His resurgence, who he is, and how this dovetailing with the Russia
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narrative, it's not looking good in terms of how they are stepping up their efforts to rig this
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election. And I use that word intentionally. Absolutely. First, a quick point about what you said
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about foreign policy. That's absolutely true. And it's an extension of what I was saying is we don't
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have a foreign policy per se. All of our foreign policy is simply just a manifestation, a proxy for
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domestic disputes. And the Trump-Russia thing, I think, recapitulates that well. To a certain extent,
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even the Israel question recapitulates that. Our domestic political concerns completely overwhelm what
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one might objectively think would be our geopolitical interests. One quick example of that,
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Brazil. Bolsonaro was anti-China compared to Lula. Geopolitically, that would have been the way to go.
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If anything, if our deep state were acting in America's geopolitical interests, they would have
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helped Bolsonaro win. But the cultural affinity between the Bolsonaro movement and the Trump movement
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was so much more important that our national security apparatus, which normally is hostile
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to China, was willing to accept the relatively pro-China person because the affinity with the
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Trump movement was considered to be the larger threat. So as to this Norm Eisen figure, we called
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him out years ago. There was a famous segment with me and Tucker Carlson talking about Norm Eisen,
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who was basically the chief legal hatchet man. He is the lawfare czar extraordinaire responsible for
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basically every operation against Trump that you can imagine. He is a color revolution professional.
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Incidentally, he wrote a book on how to effectuate color revolutions. He's applied pretty much every
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single tactic he's recommended in that book against Trump, including these lawfare tactics. He also
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has his fingerprints all over the January 6th operation. In fact, his legal partner is the one
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who originally wrote the brief that became the basis for Benny Johnson's lawsuit against Trump,
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which became the basis for subsequent indictments and the whole January 6th committee report.
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So Norm Eisen is involved in everything. He's never taken a hiatus.
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And so it doesn't surprise me at all to see that he's redoubling his efforts now in order to really
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lean on this ridiculous censorship pretext of pointing fingers at Russia and some alleged
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collusion or affinity, which has been disproven time and time again.
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I wonder if these people ever get tired of having to say, Russia, Russia, Russia,
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Russia, I think, apparently not evidenced by today. There's a lot of money in it.
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Welcome back to the war room, where I think we warned you about two weeks ago that they were
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going to re-up this foreign election interference narrative because they know they are taking
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a nosedive in the polls, the so-called Kamala momentum. I think they're doing a disservice to
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the word momentum is, of course, petering out. So I guess Russia's back doing the bidding of the
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Trump campaign, even though, if I'm not mistaken, they came out a few days ago, actually sort of
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indirectly endorsing the Harris campaign. But I know nuance doesn't matter to our Atlanticist
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elites. They're so used to lying, so I guess they don't even read their own rags. But anyways,
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we still got Darren with us. Darren, before we let you go, I know you came on the show a few weeks
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ago. You talked about some sort of campaign strategies that you thought the Trump campaign
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should adopt. The clip went viral. Some good suggestions in there. Seems like he took another
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one to heart suggesting on the Lex Friedman podcast. I'll digress on Lex Friedman, but to
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discuss or rather to release the Epstein client list. Can you walk us through sort of your piece
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and how we continue to see the ramifications of it today? Yes, this might be a case in which
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the vaunted Lex algorithm will end up changing the course of history for the better. I never thought
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this would be the case. But yes, Trump was on Lex Friedman, which is consistent with the strategy
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I've advocated of maximum exposure, one-on-one interviews. And within the context of this
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interview, Trump did something that was also, I think, quite intelligent. He said he would release
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the Epstein list, among other things, JFK files. And these fall into the categories what I call
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low-cost, high-leverage promises. There are a lot of people who are really passionate about this,
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and there's nothing really to lose by pledging to do these things. And you can capture a passionate
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segment of the electorate. And so I think he should continue on with these types of promises.
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The one thing he remains to do, he needs to talk more about the airports. He needs to say,
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you get me back in the White House and you won't have to take your shoes off for the TSA,
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and we're going to have an infrastructure overhaul, and we're going to go to Congress and figure out
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what the hell Biden and Kamala did with the $1.23 trillion spent on infrastructure,
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pledged to infrastructure. We still have crumbling bridges and roads. In fact, Buttigieg,
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with billions and billions of dollars, managed to build like seven electric charger stations.
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Something ridiculous. It's like the transportation equivalent of that famous exchange with the
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general in Congress. They said, how many Sunni rebels did you end up training? And he's like,
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well, maybe five. It's exactly that kind of moment. So there needs to be accountability there as well.
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But I think Trump is doing a very good job with these interviews. We need to see more of that.
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Darren, if people want to follow you, stay up to date with everything you're working on at
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Revolver, where can they go to do all that? Revolver.news, Revolver.news. If there's one
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lesson people should understand from all this Russia, Russia, Russia, this or that, this or that,
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America is the only game in town. We've got the bad guys. We have the good guys. The foreigners
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are a footnote. And yes, sorry to say it, guys, they suck at propaganda. Foreigners suck at
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propaganda. The only game in town is right here in the United States.
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Darren, thank you so much for joining us. We'll have you back on soon.
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Now, War Room Posse. Like I warned, I think, what was it, two, three weeks ago in the special edition
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of War Room that I did, Ballot Warfare. I told you they were going to re-up this foreign election
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interference narrative, though at the time they were going down the Iran rabbit hole. Now they seem to
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have pivoted back to what is comfortable, that is the Russia, Russia, Russia hoax. Make no mistake,
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whether it's Norm Eisen re-emerging, whether it's this foreign election interference popping up again,
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whether it's the continued vamping in CNN, MSNBC, The New York Times, you name it, about how there are
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shortages in election offices of staffers. Because you guessed it, MAGA is violent. MAGA is radical.
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MAGA is even racist, even sexist. That's a new angle of attack that they're going with.
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That there's no one who wants to work in elections anymore. They've been intimidated.
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They've been edged out. They've been pushed out. So naturally, you're seeing even more reporting
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that there's going to be delays in election results. I'm sure they'll probably find shortages
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of paper ballots. And oh, if you push for voter ID laws, it's also racist. And if you don't attach
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the SAVE Act, or if you do, then it's also bad. Because apparently non-citizens, even though they're
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not a threat and not voting in this election, if we institute legislation that would prevent
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them from doing so, the entire left and Democratic media apparatus is going to melt down.
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But here's the best part. While they sit there from their ivory tower and lecture us that we
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are radical anti-democracy activists for, I don't know, daring to support a few days, maybe
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a week or two longer extension in the certification of election results. And not just the most important
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election in the history of this country, but of the, what? I think there's over 60, 90 years,
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or so countries having elections in 2024, the most important election of all of those.
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We want to make sure we get it right. So shout out to those patriots down in Georgia who were
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daring to stick their neck out. Brian Kemp is offering them no cover. He's come out and
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said, oh, actually, we don't support this law. But in the same breath that Democrats and
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their mainstream media lackeys, their henchmen, are saying that shows like this, who dare to
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actually defend election integrity, that we're crazy and that we're burning down this country.
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Do you know what they're saying on MSNBC? They're quite literally saying that we need to do away
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with the Constitution and that that is the number one threat plaguing American democracy
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right now. Listen to what MSNBC had to say just last week. Denver, if you can roll that clip.
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The most consequential elections in American history, the political divide is wide with both
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sides of the aisle believing a win for their opponent could doom the country. But the dean
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of Berkeley Law School argues it's not just politics, but America's founding document, the
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Constitution, that needs a bit of an overhaul. Joining us now is Dean Erwin Chemerinsky. His new book
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is titled No Democracy Lasts Forever, How the Constitution Threatens the United States. Dean
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Chemerinsky, thanks for being with us this morning. So how, in your view, does the Constitution that this
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country was built on and has been for nearly 250 years is a threat, actually, to the country?
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Choices that were made in adopting the Constitution have come to haunt us. The Electoral College
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increasingly is choosing the president who lost the popular vote. Two senators per state is
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undermining democracy. In the last session of Congress, there were 50 Democratic senators and 50
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Republican senators, but the 50 Democratic senators represented 42 million people. Life tenure for Supreme
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Court justices is increasingly problematic. For much of American history, the tenure for Supreme Court
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justice was an average of 15 years. Since 1970, it's been 27 years. All of these are choices made in
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1787, but they've become much more salient in recent years. An overhaul of the United States
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Constitution that's coming from the same people who say that patriots down in Georgia who dare to
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extend the certification process when it comes to election results, that those people are anti-democratic,
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that those people hate the United States. But it's okay to go on primetime MSNBC and say that we need
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to effectively put the Constitution through a paper shredder. Now, we know that they've been wanting
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to do that forever, right? That's not any major conspiracy, though I use that word intentionally.
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But it's the timing that matters. We know the media works in lies of omission. And for them to be now
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upping their assault on the United States Constitution, we know they deal in projection,
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while simultaneously saying that we are burning democracy to the ground. We're using a torch and
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quite literally setting this country ablaze because we actually want to demand election integrity.
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I mean, that is some next-level psychological warfare that they're waging on us. And to this point
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of timing. Now, there was a very important article that they put up over the Labor Day weekend
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in Politico. Now, I tweeted it out, but I haven't been back on air since, and I wanted to give it
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its due time because it dovetails quite nicely with the story we see coming out of DOJ, of State
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Department today about Russian election interference. Now, this is not the war room, this is not Gateway
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Pundit. This is not Real America's Voice. This is Politico. Hacking Blindspot. States struggle
00:25:18.920
to vet coders of election software. Let's read the tagline. In New Hampshire, a cyber security firm
00:25:27.200
found troubling security bugs in the Ukrainian national anthem written into a voter database
00:25:33.160
built with the help of an overseas subcontractor. Now, if I'm not mistaken, many of you guys in this
00:25:40.560
audience, this show, people who've hosted this show, have not just been censored and blacklisted,
00:25:45.840
but in some cases thrown in prison for daring to say stuff like this, such as our elections are not
00:25:51.820
safe. That is the same talking points that Democrats have used since 2016. But now it's okay that the
00:25:58.360
mainstream media says it. So it's not actually that I'm leaning in or embracing their narrative. The
00:26:02.680
question is, why now? And when you see that story come out in conjunction with just now,
00:26:08.600
the Biden regime saying that Russia is coming to hack our election results, not only does that,
00:26:14.380
of course, prove that they're in collusion, but it makes you wonder what they have planned
00:26:18.160
for election day. And if you read this story, I'll paraphrase it, but this is the quote.
00:26:23.180
Politico found during a six-month-long investigation there is little oversight of the supply chain
00:26:27.940
that produces crucial election software. Hackers could manipulate a state's voter list,
00:26:32.820
adding fictitious people to the rolls, changing real voters' information, or directing voters to the wrong
00:26:38.080
polling places on election day. That might have only a modest or indirect result on the vote.
00:26:44.940
Now, don't mind me, Politico, if I don't really take you at your word, because I'm pretty sure you
00:26:48.960
were the same news outlet that hyped the words of those 51 intel officers that told me that Hunter
00:26:54.560
Biden's hard drive was Russian disinformation. So when you guys sit back and tell me not to get upset
00:26:59.980
or concerned about the fact that the Ukrainian national anthem, as well as overseas subcontractors
00:27:06.080
using open source code, are backing our election software, I don't think I'm gonna take your word
00:27:12.080
for it that they're not gonna be able to manipulate the results of our election.
00:27:16.060
And the best part of this piece, they don't really even focus on what I would argue, not just the
00:27:20.340
buried lead, but the blazing lead should be, which is that foreign nationals are hacking our election
00:27:25.920
software. And I can tell you, the dude who put the Ukraine national anthem in there, he didn't just
00:27:29.940
stop at that. These people know what a Trump victory means for Ukraine. But these very same
00:27:35.140
people, the whole article, the number one point they make is we don't want to give any fodder
00:27:39.540
to conspiracy theorists. Oh, nothing's gonna happen. It's not actually gonna impact the results of the
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ever need to defend your home and maybe from Russian disinformation. Apparently, that's
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the new number one national security threat in this country. It's all our elites seem to
00:29:57.860
care about. Mike Benz, you join us now. I briefly mentioned your name when I was talking to Darren,
00:30:03.780
but I would love to just sort of get, not to sound narcissistic, but your thoughts on everything I
00:30:08.000
was just ranting on about. But the sort of the, you know, re-upped efforts on the Constitution,
00:30:14.480
the Russian disinformation narrative resurging, all of these narratives converging like I ended last
00:30:20.020
block. I don't think it bodes well for the election. What are your thoughts?
00:30:24.840
Well, starting with the amending the Constitution push that we're seeing in the New York Times,
00:30:29.960
in Politico, from the deans of law school. I think it's very important for people to keep in mind
00:30:35.500
when they see this, that this is all the Transition Integrity Project blueprint from 2020 being re-upped
00:30:43.000
now in case they need it for 2024. So in 2020, there was this group called the Transition Integrity
00:30:49.880
Project. It was headed by Rosa Brooks, who was a senior White House official for the Obama
00:30:54.140
administration with a CIA blue badge, who ran this, her and her group, the Transition Integrity
00:30:59.880
Project, ran this tabletop simulation for how to stop a Trump coup, was nominally what they did.
00:31:06.960
They basically said, listen, we're a bunch of military, intelligence, political, statecraft
00:31:12.300
people whose jobs in the past have been overthrowing foreign countries when they have authoritarian
00:31:17.620
dictators who are holding on to power. So we need to be able to create the same sort of mechanism
00:31:25.500
here at home in case Trump loses the election and refuses to leave office. That's what they said.
00:31:32.320
But if you look at the simulations they actually ran, they ran four simulations, but simulation three
00:31:36.980
was called Clear Trump Win. How can we still run Trump out of office, even if he wins fair and square
00:31:44.380
in the electoral college? And what they tabletopped with John Podesta, no less Hillary Clinton's campaign
00:31:51.360
manager. And now the climate czar in charge of nearly $400 billion of White House funds,
00:31:58.180
is they ran this simulation called Clear Trump Win, which involved invoking a breakdown on January 6th
00:32:06.640
to prevent Donald Trump's certification. They ran this in June 2020. So five months before election day
00:32:13.260
and seven months before January 6th, 2021, they ran a crisis simulator for how they could get their assets,
00:32:21.260
including in left wing street muscle paramilitary groups like Black Lives Matter and Antifa to take to the streets
00:32:29.580
and to be receptive to a Biden call to take to the streets, to shut down the country, to basically terrorize
00:32:37.540
the country, to even have states threatened to secede from the union. In the tabletop exercise,
00:32:45.060
they even created this sort of breakaway American region called Cascadia, which involved California,
00:32:51.800
Oregon, and Washington state seceding unless Donald Trump was prevented from taking the oath of office.
00:32:59.320
And certain structural reforms are made, such as determining elections by a popular vote instead
00:33:03.540
of the electoral college. And part of the linchpin of that is they was to invoke a constitutional crisis
00:33:08.360
that the electoral college was no longer valid under what the constitution should be.
00:33:14.300
And so the winner should be the popular vote. So if it so happened, Trump won the electoral college,
00:33:19.120
they would still be able to run him out of office color revolution style and simply say, well,
00:33:24.020
whoever won the popular vote should really be the president if you want the destabilization and
00:33:28.140
destruction of our country to end. So what you're seeing right now is essentially this kind of
00:33:33.540
academic journalistic predicate being laid months before the election to be able to give gravitas,
00:33:40.440
to be able to give institutional support to this technique should they need to use it. And we know
00:33:45.760
that they are already considering running back that playbook because Rosa Brooks and her group just
00:33:50.940
a month ago published in The Guardian that they ran a similar tabletop exercise in 2024 and the
00:33:57.220
linchpin of it are public protests and destabilization. So I don't see any of this as an accident.
00:34:03.260
Not one bit. What they're doing is they are laying a predicate for extra constitutional action should
00:34:10.020
they decide they need to use it. An overhaul. That's a euphemism if I've ever heard one. I think
00:34:17.300
another fake distinction that we see, like you pointed out in your wonderful interview with Tucker,
00:34:23.000
is the distinction between America's foreign policy and domestic policy, right? There really is none.
00:34:28.480
And when you look overseas at what's happening, not even in the case of France and the telegram
00:34:33.120
arrests, but now Brazil and the sort of X back and forth, and frankly, the lack of United States
00:34:38.620
explicit involvement in terms of issuing statements, which to me means they're, you know, tacitly involved
00:34:43.960
on the underhanded side of things. Can you kind of walk the audience through where we stand on,
00:34:48.480
I guess, both those situations, but what that means, the implications for censorship here at home?
00:34:53.760
Yeah. If you recall, two years ago, the United States passed sanctions on Iran for censoring
00:35:01.100
their own people. In 2017, the State Department passed sanctions on North Korea for censoring
00:35:06.820
their own people. This is a common trick that we did. We did this in Belarus. But, you know,
00:35:12.440
people need to understand that free speech is an instrument of U.S. statecraft. But now,
00:35:17.880
after 2016, when the technology and institutional swell shored up into the censorship apparatus,
00:35:26.420
censorship became an instrument of statecraft. And all around the world, in 140 countries now,
00:35:31.300
the U.S. State Department has its tentacles into other countries' own censorship activities in order
00:35:37.640
to strategically censor rising political opposition who might rise to power and oppose the State
00:35:43.480
Department's agenda there. And what they're doing in Brazil against X is the culmination of six years
00:35:51.220
of State Department activity in the region. When I say State Department, I mean the State Department,
00:35:55.840
U.S. aid, and about 1,000 U.S.-funded government-organized non-governmental organizations,
00:36:02.020
essentially CIA cutouts and State Department grantees, who all swarmed into the region in order
00:36:07.960
to influence Brazil's own internal speech laws and speech edicts through their censorship court,
00:36:14.360
the TSE, in order to prevent any pro-Bolsonaro sentiment from being shared by and among the
00:36:21.580
Brazilian people. So it started really in 2018 when Bolsonaro was running. The State Department
00:36:27.580
had already basically gotten Facebook, YouTube, and Twitter under control in terms of censoring
00:36:32.340
Bolsonaro. This is the reason that most of Gab's first user base regionally came from Brazil.
00:36:37.960
It's because they were already censored by the U.S. censorship apparatus, who deemed them to be
00:36:43.180
far-right. And so we're kicking them off of social media for hate speech and the like,
00:36:49.540
for supporting Bolsonaro. So then these pro-Bolsonaro supporters in Brazil started flocking
00:36:55.560
to WhatsApp and Telegram. So the State Department leaned on Facebook, and that brought WhatsApp to
00:37:00.580
heel. WhatsApp folded to Brazil's censorship requirements within two and a half days. It took
00:37:06.880
Telegram about two and a half years of holding out before Telegram was actually banned in Brazil
00:37:12.100
for about 48 hours. It was illegal to access Telegram in Brazil in 2022 until they agreed to certain
00:37:20.720
misinformation reforms that would prevent anyone who supported Bolsonaro from being able to have a
00:37:27.100
popular Telegram channel. And so they brought Telegram to heel in 2022. But then a funny thing happened.
00:37:33.660
One of their little pawns, Twitter 1.0, was acquired by Elon Musk, which said about this heart attack
00:37:41.760
in the State Department that they were now going to—all the hard work, all the effort they had poured,
00:37:47.620
all the millions of dollars they had poured into targeting Bolsonaro supporters on all these
00:37:53.520
different U.S. platforms and non-U.S. platforms like Telegram was all coming undone because X was—is,
00:37:59.660
you know, the largest incubator of political thought. It's got long-form video, too, so it's basically an
00:38:05.340
everything app. And X was completely free from censorship in Brazil. So they cracked down,
00:38:12.900
and what we're seeing right now is a coordinated effort. And the way I describe it is Brazil,
00:38:18.880
like the United States, has a sprawling spiderweb of censorship institutions. You have the censorship
00:38:24.680
court, the TSE. You have the Brazilian Supreme Court, the STF, which oversees that. You have
00:38:31.840
these advisory committees, these external stakeholder groups on disinformation. You have legal scholarship
00:38:37.300
on disinformation there. You have these university centers dedicated to disinformation there. You have
00:38:42.340
these journalism outlets with disinformation beats there. You have these fact-checker networks
00:38:46.420
with disinformation beats there. You have these activists calling for dis—you have this totally
00:38:51.420
astroturfed, U.S. government-funded censorship spiderweb within Brazil that provides the political
00:38:57.460
support for Domores, this tyrant who's making these decrees, to have the political capacity to do what
00:39:04.880
he's currently doing. But that spiderweb comes from the United States. So when you see this Brazilian
00:39:11.860
spider sinking its fangs into the fly of a U.S. platform, those are star-spangled fangs. That is the U.S. State
00:39:22.480
Department and U.S. aid and the National Endowment for Democracy and a thousand U.S. government-funded
00:39:27.920
institutions coming from truck drivers. It's our members of Congress, too. And I know that you've been
00:39:33.940
hammering them time after time on Twitter. But you've been saying, fly me into D.C. Let me brief you guys.
00:39:40.140
They're willing to put out tweets talking a tough game when it comes to, you know, defending X in
00:39:45.220
Brazil. But then why are they still funding all these entities that are propping up this censorship
00:39:50.720
spider that you're alluding to? What does Congress need to do to actually move the needle on this
00:39:55.960
issue and not just put out another damn strongly worded letter? Well, there's any one of five
00:40:01.600
congressional committees which can get the ball rolling for momentum against this. House Foreign
00:40:05.740
Affairs, House Intelligence, House Weaponization, House Oversight, and House Appropriations. Part of
00:40:11.760
the issue is House Foreign Affairs has been a complete black box for protecting Americans against
00:40:18.080
censorship. I mean, think about this, Natalie. A month ago, the head of the EU Commission for
00:40:25.400
Enforcement of the Digital Services Act threatened Elon Musk with arrest and practically forbade him
00:40:31.860
from talking to the current presidential nominee of the Republican Party as well as the former U.S.
00:40:38.720
president. And the Republican-controlled House Foreign Affairs Committee said, I ain't looking.
00:40:44.020
Not a single reaction. Not a single statement. Not a single hearing. Not a single subpoena to the U.S.
00:40:49.960
ambassador to the EU. Not a single demand for all communications with the EU, between the EU and
00:40:57.420
the U.S. State Department ambassador to the EU. None of it. So the House Foreign Affairs Committee
00:41:03.980
has either been in a coma for six years now or they're captured. Now, hopefully that can start
00:41:12.580
to change over the course of the coming weeks as pressure, I think, is being applied to have them
00:41:17.560
actually wake up from this. Remember, it took about four or five years for House representatives
00:41:23.600
in Congress to take on the censorship issue. The fact is, in 2017 and 2018, when there was a
00:41:29.520
Republican-controlled Congress, all of this censorship infrastructure was being laid down.
00:41:34.120
I was screaming about it even then at the top of my lungs. But Republicans in Congress were holding
00:41:39.100
hearings about how Russia may have interfered on Facebook and they should actually do more to censor.
00:41:44.160
So now that has started to change as we've had, I think, excellent interrogations into the
00:41:50.620
censorship industry by folks like Jim Jordan at weaponization and oversight from James Comer
00:41:55.580
and Dan Bishop from the House Homeland Security Committee. But the fact is, is that the State
00:42:00.860
Department, the global blob, is not really their purview. It could be. But the fact is, is they
00:42:07.460
already have their hands full taking on weaponization of the Justice Department, the FBI, DHS, and so many
00:42:13.820
of these rogue agencies. The House Foreign Affairs Committee has one job. You oversee and hold to
00:42:20.260
account the U.S. State Department, USAID, NED, and all these other soft power institutions who do
00:42:27.300
democracy promotion programs. Well, guess what? Censorship is now part of the toolkit of democracy
00:42:35.160
And Mike, we're coming up against the end of the break, or rather the show. If people want to
00:42:40.600
follow you, get access. I know you guys are always putting up reports on this on your website. Where
00:42:44.540
can they go to do all that? I'm going to say that again. Democracy is a tool of, censorship is a tool
00:42:51.520
of democracy promotion. Censorship is a tool of democracy promotion. I'm always cutting you off. I'm
00:42:55.480
sorry. All of these democracy promotion programs have a censorship element to it now. And House Foreign
00:42:59.560
Affairs can defang it. House of Probes can defund it. Get to work, people. You can follow me at
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MikeBenzCyber on X. At MikeBenzCyber on X. It's the show clock. It's not me before the audience
00:43:09.340
starts giving me hate. We'll be back after this short break. Mike Benz, as always, thank you for
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Welcome back to The War Room. You know we are championing the SAVE Act here in The War Room.
00:44:41.020
But if it seems like House Republicans, or frankly Republicans as a whole, are just used to losing,
00:44:47.900
you always are left wondering, wow, it's almost like it seems like they're controlled opposition.
00:44:52.720
Dare I use that C word when I critique our Republican bettors, the ones that we work so hard to elect and
00:45:00.100
doorknock and donate to. Well, if it feels like they want Trump to lose, it's almost because they do.
00:45:06.680
There's a new story in Politico today, which don't lose your breath when you read that headline.
00:45:13.020
If Republicans want to win, they need Trump to lose. EM-big. Now, if you go through the story,
00:45:18.900
there's two buried leads that I want to go through, but we'll start opening the firing squad,
00:45:24.420
metaphorically, of course, on House Republicans. Trump will never concede defeat, no matter how
00:45:29.380
thorough his loss. Or rather, you know what, we'll start here. In fact, asking around with Republicans
00:45:33.840
last week, the most fervent private debate I came across in the party was how best to accelerate
00:45:38.640
Trump's exit to the 19th hole. One high-level Republican conceded it may only be wishful thinking,
00:45:44.080
even floated the idea of a Harris victory followed by Biden pardons of both his son Hunter and Trump.
00:45:49.420
That would take the issue of both cases off Harris's plate. More to the point,
00:45:53.360
drain the energy behind Trump's persecution complex so that Republicans can get on with the
00:45:57.740
business of winning elections. The best possible outcome in November for the future of the Republican
00:46:02.440
party is for former President Donald Trump to lose and lose soundly. GOP leaders won't tell you
00:46:07.720
that on the record. I just did, end quote. That is Politico. Now, we know the mainstream media
00:46:13.960
lies, but they also calculate and curate narratives. And this story is so important
00:46:20.360
because it confirms, frankly, the reason that the war room exists, right? Which is that our
00:46:26.680
House Republicans are so-called allies. They don't have our backs. They want President Trump
00:46:31.220
to lose. That's why they negotiated the debt ceiling deal the way that they did, basically
00:46:35.020
handing away free leverage to the Democratic Party. Now, of course, we're seeing some engagement
00:46:39.920
when it comes to the SAVE Act. Maybe if that materializes, that'll give us a little bit
00:46:43.620
of a win. But they are doing everything in their power to prevent a Trump victory. They're laughing
00:46:49.420
in back rooms with Politico reporters. Imagine what they're saying off the record. Imagine what
00:46:54.160
they're doing off the record. But they're also doing everything in front of us to make President
00:46:58.180
Trump's victory a pyrrhic victory. What do I mean by that? That's why they haven't mounted any actual
00:47:03.920
offense to the pandemic treaty, which would effectively strip President Trump of any ability, should he win,
00:47:09.740
to do anything on the public health pandemic front? Because the WHO would have all the power
00:47:14.080
in that regard. That's why they made it so any president, no matter what, they can't back out
00:47:18.880
of NATO. That's why they've straddled him and just strapped him with unrecognizable amounts
00:47:24.340
of debt and irresponsible fiscal spending. Because they want to basically make it so that his hands
00:47:29.720
are tied, that he can't do anything. Because the number one beneficiary of that is the deep state,
00:47:34.240
is the permanent political class, is the administrative state. It's right, it's the Death Star critique of the
00:47:39.040
Washington, D.C. government. They don't like change. That's why you can't normalize President
00:47:44.880
Trump, because he represents really a blowing up of that system, metaphorically, of course.
00:47:51.300
But a much-needed reassortment and reassessment of what our so-called government is doing for we,
00:47:58.160
the people. Because last time I checked, they're not doing much except throwing us in prison.
00:48:02.420
Now, the other important takeaway from this story is this line right here.
00:48:08.260
Trump will never concede defeat, no matter how thorough his loss. Yet the more decisively
00:48:12.660
Vice President Kamala Harris wins the popular vote in Electoral College, the less political
00:48:17.260
oxygen he'll have to reprise his 2020 antics. And importantly, the faster Republicans can begin
00:48:23.180
building a post-Trump party. Obviously, they want to make the 2016 victory seem like an anomaly,
00:48:30.220
an aberration. So they can say that the Republican Party's shift to more populist policies, which
00:48:35.700
really is just aligning with the actual grassroots activist class, as opposed to the open borders
00:48:41.320
Koch brother-type donor class. Nothing radical there, just aligning the interests with the American
00:48:46.620
people. They want to say that 2016 was an aberration. So let's go back to pitching the Mitt Romneys
00:48:52.080
and the John McCains of the world, because those MAGA people are just too damn crazy.
00:48:56.240
The most important part of this article isn't to get you worked up, isn't to get you mad.
00:49:00.080
They're telling you the plan right there. They need Harris to win by such a margin, not only to
00:49:06.080
give for the so-called legitimacy and accountability that Joe Biden never had, but they need that margin
00:49:12.460
to be so high, so big, that they are going to do everything in their power when it comes to the legal
00:49:18.160
election challenges spearheaded by Mark Elias, by Norm Eisen, by all these shady, dark money groups.
00:49:23.660
They're not going to play fair. It's why they're accusing Trump. Do a Boolean search right now for
00:49:29.140
Trump in rigged election. Every other article that's coming out is saying that Trump is going
00:49:33.860
to rig the election. Trump is going to say it was a rigged election. These people deal in projection,
00:49:39.840
right? It's the Alinsky-ite rule. Accuses the enemy of what you're guilty of. They are going to make the
00:49:45.200
margins such that there's no way that the Trump campaign can even claw back or begin to have
00:49:51.000
victories in court because they're going to have so many non-citizens voting. That's why they're so
00:49:56.740
adamantly opposed to the SAVE Act in the same breath that they tell us that no non-citizens vote.
00:50:01.260
Then why the heck do you guys care if the SAVE Act gets passed, right? It doesn't make sense.
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Almost like it's Russian disinformation. Someone who knows probably, probably you've been accused of
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is Mike Lindell, who joins us now. Mike, spread some disinformation here in the war room.
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my biggest pushbacks are these uniparty Republicans, starting with Georgia, Wisconsin,
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Robin Voss, Brad Rassenberger. But all these states you think you could just go right into
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and get things done, get our cast vote records, get stuff, be proactive, like your Alabama, Arkansas,
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everybody. These are people that are against the people. And this is what we get one shot at this.
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