Peter K. Navarro and Steve L. Lance of the New Tang Dynasty join host Stephen K. Vance to discuss the horrific practice of forced organ harvesting by the Chinese Communist Party in order to supply organs to imprisoned Falun Gong practitioners.
00:00:55.000We're with Steve Lance of the Epoch Times, New Tang Dynasty.
00:00:59.000We were talking about how the Epoch Times got started out of the Falun Gong movement.
00:01:07.000The one thing I wanted to mention, Steve,
00:01:10.000with respect to the Falun Gong that everybody in this audience needs to know,
00:01:15.000and I think many of them do is the horrific organ harvesting that the Chinese Communist Party conducts on live prisoners.
00:01:28.000How many Falun Gong prisoners are in the Chinese gulags and how pervasive is that organ harvesting?
00:01:36.000Well, it's such a heavy subject because to just say it like casually, forced live organ harvesting, being from the United States, this is something that is just unfathomable.
00:01:49.000And it's not black market like you may see or hear about in India.
00:01:54.000This is state run by the Chinese Communist regime.
00:01:58.000And that's one of the things that I'm actually most proud of to be affiliated with NTD and the Epoch Times is the fact that we broke that story in around 2006 in a northeast province of Shenyang, or excuse me, Shenyang City in Liaoning province.
00:02:17.000I have interviewed people whose parents have disappeared and their bodies are then retained and they're unrecognizable dead and organs likely extracted from them.
00:02:31.000This is me personally meeting them in terms of documentation.
00:02:35.000Former Secretary of State David Kilgore of Canada and renowned human rights attorney David Mattis have thoroughly, thoroughly exposed this crime.
00:02:46.000There was the China Tribunal that took place in London in 2018 that is also unearthed this horrific crime.
00:02:54.000And to be clear, so people understand, the Chinese Communist Party arrests Falun Gong members, puts them in these gulags.
00:03:05.000They're the ones who make your clothes and other things that wind up in Walmart and the healthiest ones.
00:03:23.000And the one thing they have at these gulags is very good health care, not for everybody, but for the healthiest people who are there, because these are the ones that are going to be euthanized.
00:03:39.000And then as they're alive, as they're alive, they'll take out their corneas, their kidneys, their hearts.
00:03:50.000And that stuff goes into boxes of ice.
00:03:54.000And a lot of it services the elites in communist China, but it's also an export industry.
00:04:04.000There's something called transplant tourism.
00:04:07.000So it's not just the high ranking cadres in China.
00:04:10.000You also have wealthy people from all around the world.
00:04:13.000And to your point, when it comes to this investigation, there were independent investigators who would call military hospitals in China, where this was being sanctioned and being done, and they would pretend that they were somebody who needed an organ.
00:04:30.000And one of the questions that they would ask the officials at these hospitals were, are they coming from Falun Gong practitioners?
00:04:37.000And the other end of the line reassured them that they were.
00:04:45.000They're known to be extremely healthy individuals.
00:04:48.000And so what will happen is in China, because Falun Gong has been outlawed, there is an office called the 610 office that was created on June 10th, 1999, specifically to persecute Falun Gong.
00:05:02.000It has extra judicial power, and it will go around like the Gestapo, round up these practitioners.
00:05:10.000If their blood matches, you can get an organ in China in two weeks.
00:05:14.000In the United States, it took Dick Cheney over two years to get a heart transplant.
00:05:19.000And that's how quick, because they have that live pool of organs.
00:05:22.000Then, once they extract the organ while you're alive, because the organ is more valuable when the person is alive, that's why they do it when they're alive.
00:05:29.000They will then take the organ, cremate the body, so basically burn the evidence, and tell the family, here are the ashes.
00:05:44.000It continues to this day, and the world allows it.
00:05:53.000Let's talk a little bit about how you gather the news and disseminate it to Communist China, and how you fend off the cyber attacks, the DNS attacks, and things like that.
00:06:09.000Give the posse an idea of how big your audience is and the way you get the news to people on the Chinese mainland and to Peoria, Illinois.
00:06:22.000So before I answer that, which I will, I just want to make the distinction that when I speak here, I am speaking on behalf of NTD, New Tang Dynasty.
00:06:39.000In terms of what we are and how we do it, a lot of people might not realize we're actually the fourth largest in terms of paid subscription.
00:06:49.000So you have New York Times, Washington Post, Wall Street Journal, and then the Epoch Times.
00:06:55.000On the NTD side, we are broadcasting, we have satellites that actually have the ability, you have the ability in China, which is blocked off, to receive our satellite signal.
00:07:06.000And inside of mainland China, we have reports that many of the people are able to receive our information, read our sites through VPNs, and to bypass that firewall.
00:07:18.000But of course, we're blocked on your average internet service provider in China.
00:07:24.000And you've had the typical cyber attacks and all of that, the DNS attacks, were they?
00:07:33.000And so if, you know, I'm sure there's some cross-pollination we share, viewers and readers.
00:07:38.000So sometimes if you see our site having issues, the homepage not loading, it's highly likely that we are in the process of fending off a cyber attack.
00:07:49.000Because at the end of the day, the Chinese Communist Party looks at the Epoch Times and NTD as public enemy number one, more so than the United States government, more so than the CIA, more so than the FBI.
00:08:08.000This book right here is called The Nine Commentaries on the Chinese Communist Party.
00:08:12.000And when it was published by the Epoch Times editorial staff in 2004, we had heard that the CCP imposed martial law or was at the precipice because this book from the inside out exposes the CCP.
00:08:26.000It has caused over 480 million people to this day, maybe even more, to withdraw their affiliations from the Chinese Communist Party.
00:08:33.000And so for that reason, they view us as the single biggest threat to their power, although we have no interest in power.
00:08:42.000What's interesting, I'll give you a little personal story.
00:08:47.000When I did the film Death by China back in 2011 and was getting ready to release it to the theaters and streaming to Netflix and all of that, my distributor got a call from the Chinese embassy in L.A.
00:09:08.360warning him that if he distributed my film, his business and career would be over.
00:09:47.320Well, Dr. Navarro, to be honest with you, I'm losing track.
00:09:50.480But NTD, Newtong Dynasty Television, I believe we're on our 14th or 15th satellite provider.
00:09:56.460Because each time we start to gain a foothold, the CCP goes in and tries to influence them and pressures them similar to this.
00:10:05.360And the whole CCP lobby from K Street to Hollywood to everywhere else is a whole other topic of discussion that is a huge threat to our country.
00:10:14.340So if you have a satellite company servicing your company, they will get a call from the Chinese Communist Party?
00:10:23.340They will, and there's actually a twist to one of the companies.
00:10:25.900One of the companies actually – this is how devious things have become – knew that if they took us on, they knew that the Chinese Communist Party would come to them and pressure them.
00:10:37.020So they willingly took us on so that they could be outbid by us and accept essentially the CCP's bribe.
00:10:45.060The censorship that goes on with the CCP is one thing.
00:10:58.380Tell me a little bit about how Google has been a bad actor at times with respect to getting information out through your –
00:11:09.060So the Epoch Times and NTD have, you know, from the outset and from the founding have faced so many challenges of getting the information out.
00:11:19.700We are 90 percent, I should say, subscriber-based.
00:11:24.940And when it comes to what Google and Facebook and others have done to us in terms of de-platforming, throttling views, I'll give you one example.
00:12:01.700He did a documentary about the pandemic at the early stage that, you know, at that time got a lot of views.
00:12:10.280But Tiffany's program on YouTube, Google-affiliated, of course, was averaging, I want to say, about a million views per day.
00:12:19.100And then shortly after the last administration left office, maybe even the day after, all of a sudden it went from about a million to about 20,000 views.
00:12:43.360And another thing to look at when you look at Google, there's a lot of landmines and misinformation out there.
00:12:49.140You know, they're – I don't know what you call it.
00:12:51.900They're kind of smart search or they're assisted search.
00:12:54.740When you put a name in the bar and then it suggests another word, one of their favorite things to put is when you search Falun Gong, they will suggest cult.
00:13:08.320And, you know, that raises questions as to whether or not there are engineers, you know, out in Silicon Valley that don't have the United States' best interest at heart and maybe are more aligned with the CCP's way of thinking.
00:13:21.280I would imagine that Google has its share of CCP folks working there, right, because there's just a lot of workers from communist China that are working here in the U.S.
00:13:34.600And, I mean, even if you're not a party member, the Chinese Communist Party is going to track you and pressure you.
00:13:42.520I mean, from a university standpoint, I would see these cadres of students come in from communist China.
00:13:53.800And at every university they had, like, a proctor.
00:14:02.460And the whole point of those was to keep them pure with respect to CCP ideology.
00:14:11.920All right, when we come back, we're going to wrap it up with Steve Lance, and then later on we're going to talk to Ralph Reed about one of the opening themes I discussed, whether or not the evangelical vote is going to get out in this election and how we can make that happen here in the Posse.
00:16:57.500It's just moved to 7 p.m., a nice prime time slot.
00:17:01.520We're going to go to one hour starting next Monday, and we're covering everything that you can imagine under the sun at the Capitol, the looming CR.
00:17:14.040We'll see how that winds up playing out.
00:17:21.020And one thing that I'm really proud of, we're starting to build our segments, and our lead segment, and the one that I really want to focus on, is a segment called and named Civil Discourse, where we actually bring together some Republicans and Democrats to come together and talk about issues.
00:17:40.920Because at the end of the day, our news outlet, NTD, we're actually apolitical, and we do believe in facilitating substantive conversations from both sides and getting back to really where America was and founded.
00:19:15.240And so as it works its way through the Senate, Senator Rubio has sponsored it.
00:19:19.340And we're keeping a close eye on it and to see that it passes because this bill actually has teeth to hold the CCP accountable, not just the sanctions.
00:19:30.260So one of the biggest things – if you read it, it might not stick out, but it forces or prompts the State Department to issue an annual report.
00:19:40.440And so when you see the organ harvesting, if that's in black and white, then that opens up a lot of other doors.
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