On this episode of The War Room, host Stephen K.K. Bannon and his co-host Lisa Abdurrahman discuss the Georgia and Michigan election board decisions that could have a major impact on the outcome of the mid-term elections.
00:00:29.000I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
00:00:34.000Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
00:00:38.000If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
00:00:44.000War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
00:00:53.000Let's talk about Georgia as well, Lisa.
00:00:56.000Yesterday, the state election board there unanimously approved a new rule that would make pictures, photographs of ballots available to the public within three days after an election.
00:01:06.000It would give candidates and voters the ability to check the vote count and identify concerns more quickly.
00:01:11.000Unclear if the new rule will be finalized in time for November's election.
00:01:15.000Also, Georgia's Board of Elections opened an investigation into eight county election boards and how they handled thousands of challenges to voter registration.
00:01:25.000So help us sort through what both of those stories mean.
00:01:27.000Well, let's start with the first one about making the ballot images transparent.
00:01:31.000You noted, Willie, that all five members of Georgia election board voted for that.
00:01:35.000And I think it's because it represents something different to each side.
00:01:38.000Remember, this is not happening in a vacuum.
00:01:40.000The Georgia election board has been considering change after change to its rules.
00:01:45.000We have a trial coming up on October 1st about two of the most controversial of those rules.
00:01:50.000One that allows county election board members to conduct a reasonable inquiry after an election and before certification.
00:01:57.000And the other that allows them to demand any and all election related documentation.
00:02:02.000You can see then why how the two non MAGA board members might favor a system where you get to see the transparent images of ballots,
00:02:12.000because that will allow people to be their own check on counties that say, oh, wait, I couldn't possibly certify these election results because there's irregularity X or alleged fraud.
00:02:24.000Why? By making those images available to everyone, perhaps they're hoping that that will serve as a check.
00:02:30.000On the other hand, for the three MAGA board members, this is also an opportunity to give the voting public and all sorts of citizen activists,
00:02:38.000the kinds of people maybe trained by Cleta Mitchell, the opportunity to sow that doubt themselves and distrust in the results.
00:02:45.000In other states like Georgia, lawsuits are being filed already challenging the way elections are being run.
00:02:52.000We will all be up on pins and needles on November 5th or whenever the peach state finishes hand counting the millions of ballots that will likely be generated.
00:03:01.000However, in the world, they're going to do that.
00:03:04.000And whether lawsuits will prevent whoever wins these states where Republican election deniers have a role from being certified in their state elections at all.
00:03:13.000Tuesday, 24th of September, Hanwell Dormini, 2000 and 24, Hanwell here at the helm, filling in for Stephen K. Bannon.
00:03:24.000We're concentrating on the battleground states today.
00:03:28.000Specifically, we're going to be deep diving onto Georgia and Michigan.
00:03:32.000And first up, however, I guessed Mark Mitchell from Rasmussen polling.
00:03:39.000And tell me, it seems to me that the fix is in.
00:03:42.000Mike, no Johnson Johnson, the testicle-less wonder who passes himself off as Speaker of the House of Representatives, has sold MAGA short yet again.
00:03:54.000And tell me, how is this playing in the battleground states?
00:03:59.000Apparently, there's going to be a continuing resolution, a CR, that will last up until December, that is to say, to push the debate funding this bloated federal government until after the elections.
00:04:13.000Firstly, how is this playing in the battleground states?
00:04:17.000But specifically, you know, according to your polling expertise, what point is there for Republican voters and actually voting Republican in November if the uni party is going to kick in at every opportunity?
00:04:30.000This is the second time that the so-called speaker is going to be dependent on Democrat votes to push through his agenda.
00:04:38.000What is the point of voting Republican in November?
00:04:43.000And how is this playing in the battleground states?
00:04:47.000That's such a tough question to answer.
00:04:50.000But I think I would say, like, what other choice do Republican voters have?
00:04:55.000Seriously, we just did another set of states.
00:05:57.000Mark, repeat this, because the GOP establishment is hardline on this idea, on the narrative that a shutdown before the election is going to be suicidal for the party that causes the shutdown.
00:06:11.000Now, it's only ever the Republicans that caused the shutdown.
00:06:15.000And as far as I'm aware, that's not actually borne out in actual election results.
00:06:20.000But in terms of the polling, it would seem to suggest that your Rasmussen polling here doesn't even corroborate this argument.
00:06:31.000American taxpayers want to spend less.
00:06:33.000They don't want to keep funding this bloated, incompetent government, the federal bureaucracy.
00:06:40.000And yet, when it comes down to the wire, American voters, sort of Republican Party members specifically, are being betrayed by their elected representation in the Congress and in the Senate, because these two groups will bend over backwards to keep it going.
00:07:01.000But repeat that figure, if you wouldn't mind, Mark.
00:07:06.000The idea that a shutdown before the election would be suicide and that Mike, no Johnson Johnson, has the big pressure to stop that from happening.
00:07:17.000Your polling here suggests that this isn't the case.
00:07:20.000This is a narrative that they have invented themselves to keep the regime going.
00:07:25.000I would go even farther and say it isn't just about spending.
00:07:36.000They want action on literally everything.
00:07:39.000So this budget shutdown when we did, I mean, it showed that seventy three percent to twenty two percent Republicans wanted to shut down to lower spending.
00:07:49.000But independence, it was also fifty six to thirty.
00:07:52.000And then new numbers that aren't even out yet show that sixty three percent of all voters support shutting down the government to try and pass new laws requiring proof of citizenship, including a stunning sixty one percent of independence.
00:08:08.000And I'll go even one more out of our swing state polling out of this is Pennsylvania numbers are reading, but we have it for Georgia also.
00:08:16.000If given a choice between two candidates, one of whom favored granting amnesty to all illegal aliens or one whom favored deporting all illegal aliens.
00:08:25.000Deportation wins in Pennsylvania fifty percent to thirty three percent with Republicans.
00:08:41.000And I'll tell you, I don't think quite frankly what I think now is that if you're a Republican in Congress, the odds are that the light at the end of the tunnel probably looks the brightest right now than it's ever looked.
00:08:53.000Because in my opinion, they never really wanted to take action.
00:09:01.000Try and think back to the last three years at any one single instance of any thought work, any polling that came out about messaging or the topics that was funded by a Republican think tank.
00:09:16.000I don't think you're going to be able to remember any because they're not doing it.
00:09:20.000Listen, if they wanted to fight on things like abortion, I have the numbers.
00:09:25.000The country says that it's pro choice, fifty three percent to thirty seven percent.
00:09:30.000But only fifteen percent of voters want abortion after six months.
00:10:48.000Even forty seven percent of Democrats.
00:10:50.000Even forty seven percent of Democrats at least somewhat support shutting down the government to pass laws requiring proof of citizen to register to vote.
00:11:37.000And still more than sixty percent of voters think the outcome of this election will be affected by cheating.
00:11:43.000And it's like roughly half of Democrats.
00:11:46.000So, I mean, like everybody grades Congress poorly.
00:11:51.000And I think only now has it really been exposed that it's not this kabuki theater where they're just constantly locked in this policy battle.
00:11:59.000They just don't want to upset the status quo.
00:13:08.000What was that 54 percent and that 63 percent figure, please?
00:13:12.000Yeah, let me first say that all these crosstabs are public because of our gracious sponsor, American Thinker, who gave us a huge check to run into the field and get 10 states.
00:13:21.000That means everybody can look at these crosstabs and they are so dense.
00:13:24.000This is the biggest poll I've ever put in the field.
00:13:58.000Listen, there's a silver lining to this storm cloud.
00:14:01.000The storm cloud is the level of gaslighting here has reached absolutely epic epic proportions.
00:14:07.000Anybody who reads these Pennsylvania and Georgia and later today the Arizona crosstabs will be able to palpably feel the level of brainwashing here.
00:14:17.000Number one issue, 41 percent is abortion.
00:14:20.000And but this little like one to punch here when considering gender and sexual identity issues, which candidates values are closer to your own.
00:14:30.00047 percent say Trump, 46 percent say Harris in Pennsylvania.
00:16:21.000We're here with Mark Mitchell from Rasmussen Reports.
00:16:25.000Mark, these data are absolutely astonishing.
00:16:29.000Not surprising, but astonishing to see these things confirmed.
00:16:36.000I'm at a loss to explain why the Trump campaign team seems to be so instinctively blind as to the underlying reality that your data here is indicating.
00:16:49.000It would seem to me, from what you are confirming, that the GOP leadership in both houses are deliberately trying to sabotage any attempt at victory in November.
00:17:02.000Tell me something, please, if you will.
00:17:05.000You have some other news that Democrats, for the first time ever, have been revealed, according to your polling, to be the largest, most significant, the biggest enemy for the first time ever.
00:17:21.000Now, I'd say it's not just Republican leadership, but the entire conservative infrastructure.
00:17:26.000I can pull between one half and one tenth as cheaply as any other pollster in the field.
00:17:33.000And I've done all of this thought leadership work and not one single nonprofit think tank, except for like the two that have been our longtime clients, care at all about what Americans think.
00:17:44.000And when I looked at the swing state results here, what I see in a very scary manner is two different Americans.
00:17:51.000The Republicans in D.C. are not going to be able to hold their breath and come out on the other side of this and have this go away.
00:17:57.000The top two issues for Democrats are abortion rights and protecting our democracy.
00:18:39.000But what's crazy, the reason why Democrats are leading Republicans there is because independents agree with Republicans that the Democrat Party is the biggest enemy facing America.
00:18:51.000You know, like they like to talk about domestic extremists.
00:18:55.000Only seven and eight percent of Republicans and independents think that's a problem.
00:18:59.000And I mean, like we're literally talking about independents are three times more likely to say the Democrat Party is our biggest enemy than Russia.
00:19:10.000So now, again, it's like, OK, if Trump loses and establishment Republicans get their way and go back to all those fat policy work consulting gigs or whatever, you're not going to you're not going to be able to put this genie back in the bottle.
00:19:25.000Twenty one percent of people in this country think a civil war is happening in the next five years.
00:19:30.000And the two parties, of course, Democrats say Republicans are their biggest enemy.
00:19:35.000Again, that's not I mean, that's not like a majority of Democrats, but like Democrats by a two to one margin say Republicans are a bigger enemy than China.
00:19:46.000It's incredible. The only thing I would say instinctively here and the news coming out of today that I repeat this from what I said in the open of the show, that the speaker, the so-called Republican speaker, Maga Mike, he built himself as.
00:20:03.000Oh, by the way, let me interrupt myself. This guy claimed he said he had a he had a biblical worldview.
00:20:08.000I actually want to say it's absolutely true. He does have a biblical worldview.
00:20:11.000His worldview is based on Judas Iscariot, who is, of course, a character from the Bible.
00:20:18.000So I'm actually going to agree with him on this. He does have a biblical worldview if and only if you're considering Judas Iscariot.
00:20:26.000The Treasury here is incredible. The only thing I would say listening to you break this down mark is that as far as I'm concerned, the GOP establishment is equally dangerous to America as Democrats.
00:20:42.000I can't say I think the Democrats are worse. I think they are both equally bad, especially when they combine as the Uniparty, as they did both parties.
00:20:54.000It was a bipartisan vote to get back in in April, the 61 billion to Zelensky.
00:20:59.000It's going to be a bipartisan vote to pass this CR up until December.
00:21:05.000This is the Uniparty working in consort and it's in your face.
00:21:09.000Six weeks before an election, the message is going out, at least from from the so-called control, the sort of control of the House of Representatives.
00:21:19.000There is no point in voting Republican. Right.
00:21:23.000Right. That is the message they want you to know. They would rather lose seats in the House of Representatives and frustrate Donald Trump and his agenda than keep control of the House.
00:21:33.000They are they are signaling as as as brazenly as they can.
00:21:38.000Don't vote for this party in November because we will betray you.
00:21:42.000It's astonishing to behold. And it's astonishing here to hear your your your polling.
00:21:47.000Mark Mitchell, where can people go to to read deeper, look and analyze, investigate these crosstabs that you have?
00:22:58.000Oh, huge. And thank you for having me.
00:23:02.000The first thing to understand about the state election board is the context.
00:23:06.000The election integrity movement in Georgia has been steadily gaining ground ever since the 2020 election.
00:23:13.000And we now have basically a majority of the state election board that appears to be committed to election integrity issues and actually willing to fight for them.
00:23:25.000And it's got the establishment absolutely freaked out.
00:23:29.000And Raffensperger has been doing his best to keep a lid on a number of major issues ever since 2020.
00:23:39.000He has been actively stifling cases and preventing them from going before the board and playing all kinds of games ever since 2020.
00:23:49.000And they're scared to death that the state election board is going to wreck their world.
00:23:57.000And we're coming up against the statute of limitations for crimes committed in 2020.
00:24:04.000And there's been a deliberate effort to keep a lot of those issues from seeing the light of day.
00:24:10.000And they've been somewhat successful up until now.
00:24:13.000And if you look at what's going on with the board now, you've got this narrative that's been constructed.
00:24:18.000This major freak out with the Democrats and even some Republicans about simple common sense measures that the board has taken.
00:24:30.000Recently, they enacted a rule that allows calls on the counties to hand count ballots to make sure that the number of ballots matches the number on the machine.
00:24:43.000And we're not talking about votes here.
00:24:45.000We're just talking about making sure the number of ballots physically matches the number that the machines counted.
00:24:51.000And all of a sudden, that's a huge problem for everybody.
00:24:54.000And you've got folks claiming it's going to delay the elections and all this kind of stuff.
00:24:59.000But this was standard operating procedure at one time until the Secretary of State's office told the counties to quit doing it.
00:25:50.000We're back in three minutes with Mark Davis.
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00:29:59.000He's been stifling cases that should have gone before the state election board a long time ago.
00:30:05.000And the crazy thing is there's funding being withheld from the state election board.
00:30:10.000They don't even have their own investigators.
00:30:12.000So when I put in a case that's actually against wrongdoing by the Secretary of State that I helped elect, the investigator for that case is not in the state election board office.
00:30:26.000It's in the Secretary of State's own office.
00:30:28.000It's literally asking the fox to account for the missing chickens in the hen house.
00:30:34.000So you're doing this with Linda Sinkiewicz, right?
00:31:15.000If you go to the phone call between Bratensperger and President Trump and you scroll down to where Kurt Hilbert starts talking, that's my analysis that was in there.
00:31:26.000And I took that data and I turned it into the Secretary of State's office in May of 2021 as an official complaint to try to get him to investigate basically the same data that President Trump was trying to get him to investigate.
00:31:39.000And that case was administratively dismissed on bogus grounds.
00:31:45.000If anybody wants to read about that, the story is on my author page at Federalist.
00:31:50.000But I did the same analysis in 2022, found even more unqualified voters that are evidence of unqualified voters that were voting in our elections.
00:32:20.000In fact, one of the cases that's going before the board at some point involves a sitting Republican member of Congress with a residency issue.
00:32:30.000And the awkward situation there is the board can't adjudicate that case without opening the barn door to discuss the tens of thousands of other cases that have gone uninvestigated.
00:32:45.000Where can folks go, Mark Davis, if they want to support what you're doing?
00:32:50.000I know that Marlee Hornick is a great, very much beloved here by the Warren Posse, and I don't want to support anything she's involved with.
00:33:01.000Where do folks go if they want to support these lawsuits that you're presenting in Georgia?
00:33:07.000I am Mark Davis GOP on X, not to be confused with the other Mark Davis, who's a talk radio show host in Texas.
00:33:17.000And my author page at the Federalist is a good source of information.
00:33:22.000And then, you know, the press conference will be 2 o'clock today if you want to tune in and follow that whole case.
00:33:32.000It's going to be really interesting to watch.
00:33:36.000You've got Kevin Moncla and the Fulton County mess that's involved there.
00:33:42.000You've got my analysis that's involved there.
00:33:44.000You've got a number of different analysts who have brought cases that have been stifled.
00:33:50.000It could end up being a pretty explosive situation there.
00:35:05.000It was the mayor of Hamtramck in Michigan that came out and endorsed Donald Trump over the weekend.
00:35:12.000You know, it just tells you what's going on within the Muslim community.
00:35:18.000They recognize the, you know, what happened during the Donald Trump era where there was peace and stability throughout the Middle East.
00:35:25.000We had the Abraham Accords versus the chaos that we are seeing with the war in Gaza, what's now happening in Lebanon.
00:35:33.000You know, again, they want the same thing that most people around the world.
00:35:38.000They want peace and prosperity and they recognize in the world of chaos that's not what they're going to get.
00:35:43.000So, you know, that was a big shift and a big win for the Trump campaign here in Michigan over the weekend.
00:35:50.000The unions, you know, Sean Fine, the head of the UAW came out a few, you know, a month or so ago.
00:35:58.000And, you know, they had endorsed Biden and then they endorsed Harrison.
00:36:01.000You know, and this is the head of the UAW, one of the most significant unions, if not the most significant union in the state of Michigan.
00:36:08.000And he says, you know, as the leadership, we are endorsing, you know, Kamala Harris.
00:36:13.000But we know that many of our vote or many of our members are going to be voting for Donald Trump.
00:36:18.000It's like, whoa, he's not talking about we're going to convince our members as to why Kamala Harris is the best candidate.
00:36:25.000He's just acknowledging that they're losing lots of their members to Donald Trump.
00:36:29.000Why? Because they recognize that this insane push by the Biden administration, by the Gretchen Whitmer administration here in Michigan for electric vehicles is going to put a lot of these UAW workers out of work.
00:36:46.000And it's going to move this auto industry.
00:40:52.000Well, I think, you know, I mean, we saw the inroads into the Muslim community, you know, over the last four to six years.
00:40:59.000And, you know, you and I are probably, yeah, we're both skeptics.
00:41:02.000You know, we're concerned about the threat from radical Islam.
00:41:05.000But at the same time, I've traveled throughout the Middle East.
00:41:08.000And we also both know more Muslims have been killed by radical extremists than they have been by other folks.
00:41:17.000And so they're they're recognizing that for their future, their security, prosperity and all of that, the future is with Donald Trump and not with the current regime.
00:41:28.000I couldn't have said it better. Stand by. Ambassador, we'll wrap up in two minutes after the break.
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00:44:24.000Ambassador Hoekstra, where do folks go if they want to support, firstly to stay in touch with your analysis on events, but specifically in Michigan, if they're in the area, if they're in the state and they want to get involved in the closing six weeks of this campaign on social media, where do they go?
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00:45:22.000Well, there was an article in yesterday's New York Times, which really knocked me sideways, talking about the rise of the first time ever, in fact, not just the rise of men as an active presence in church going in Christianity.
00:45:37.000And so obviously the person I wanted to talk to this about is Ralph Reed.
00:45:53.000I think you stood for lieutenant governor in Georgia.
00:45:56.000You have, as it were, a foot in both camps politically and in the church.
00:46:01.000We hear a lot, the left, the woke, the people in control of the culture have made so much ground, haven't they, attacking the concept of men under the banner of patriarchy.
00:46:16.000When I saw this article and I read through it, there's a giveaway line in there that actually said that men respond to hard challenges.
00:46:23.000That's been very different from what's been coming out of Christianity over the last few decades.
00:46:28.000And I think it's done the presence of Christianity in the public square a great deal of damage.
00:46:34.000Now, I know you've seen this article, you've studied it.
00:46:37.000Can you just give me your first reflections on where you think this might indicate for the presence of the faith in our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ in the world today?
00:46:49.000Well, I think it's a very encouraging trend.
00:46:51.000Obviously, you know, we want to see all come to Christ, you know, regardless of gender, race, background, national origin, etc.
00:47:00.000But it's particularly encouraging to see these young men who are spiritually hungry, finding evangelical churches and Bible-believing churches, getting plugged in, getting integrated, getting into either Sunday schools or discipleship or fellowship groups with other young men that they can have fellowship with and can identify with.
00:47:25.000It's very important because many of these young men, as you know, have been consistently bombarded by the larger culture that, you know, they're less than good enough, that, you know, they're misogynist or that, you know, they are abusive to women or that they've been discriminatory towards others.
00:47:52.000There's a lot of negative messages that are hitting these young men.
00:47:57.000And for them to experience this kind of love and this grace and compassion, find meaning and purpose for their lives, really bodes well, not only for the future of the church, but for the family.
00:48:09.000Because, you know, these men, once they get exposed to the gospel, they're going to be better husbands, they're going to be better fathers, they're going to be better employees, they're going to be better citizens.
00:48:24.000You know, George Gilder, who wrote the great and just brilliant book, Wealth and Poverty and Men and Marriage, back in the 80s and 90s, said that a young man disconnected from the sublime love of a woman is a savage.
00:48:47.000And if you look at young men that are disconnected from the family of origin and are not in matrimony, they're not married, historically, high incidences of chemical addiction, high incidences of crime, of involvement in the criminal justice system, lots of issues with those young men if they're not in a loving unit.
00:49:11.000So the same could be said for the church, if they can, if this is the feeder for them to then meet that woman that they love, the future for our society candidly then is very bright.
00:49:25.000Look, you've got to come back on the show.
00:49:29.560I know you're on the warm quite a bit, but you have to come back on the show.
00:49:34.920As far as I can see, and you tell me with your experience here, whether this is right or wrong, but as far as I see it, the woke brigade are on to something when they criticize the patriarchy.
00:50:08.260But there is something in all three of these Abrahamic religions where men take leadership roles, both in worship, but also in the cultivating for the spiritual life in the family.
00:50:20.780Is that correct or is that outdated thinking?
00:50:43.360They hear that and through the secular ear and translated through the woke and left-wing agenda, they hear the subjugation of women.
00:50:55.880That is not what the Bible teaches at all.
00:50:58.860The Bible teaches that women are co-heirs of ours in Jesus Christ.
00:51:06.860They have all the benefits of and enjoy the full salvation and the fullness of the gospel.
00:51:13.380They should be treated as equals for that reason.
00:51:16.560God sent Christ to die for them as much as he did for us.
00:51:21.200It also teaches that a man is to give himself up for a woman, not to subjugate her or abuse her, but the opposite, to die for her, to give himself up for her, and to serve her needs.
00:51:37.020But a lot of times that gets lost in translation.
00:51:39.640But, yeah, there's no question that if men learn these principles, they learn how to be the spiritual head of a household, setting an example, sharing scripture with their wife and their children, the world will be a much better place.
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