Stephen K. Bannon delivers a blistering attack on the liberal media and its obsession with hyperventilating over the 2020 election, and why it s time to wake up to the fact that we could be losing our democracy to a fascist.
00:00:28.000I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
00:00:33.000Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
00:00:37.000If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
00:00:44.000War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
00:00:53.000But that chamboree happening right now, you see it there on your screen.
00:00:57.000In that place is particularly chilling.
00:01:00.000Because in 1939, more than 20,000 supporters of a different fascist leader,
00:01:06.000Adolf Hitler, packed the garden for a so-called pro-America rally.
00:01:11.000A rally where speakers voiced anti-Semitic rhetoric from a stage draped with Nazi banners.
00:01:17.000When a Jewish protester rushed the stage, the Associated Press reported, quote,
00:01:22.000instantly a dozen or more storm troopers set upon him,
00:01:26.000knocking him down and beating him as he held his head in his arms.
00:01:30.000Most of his clothing was torn from his body.
00:01:33.000Later, he was booked for disorderly conduct.
00:01:37.000Now, against that backdrop of history, Donald Trump, the man who has threatened to use the military against opponents he calls enemies from within,
00:01:47.000who has threatened to use the troops to quell what he says are lawless cities,
00:01:53.000and to use those troops to carry out mass deportations of immigrants,
00:01:57.000is once again turning Madison Square Garden into a staging ground for extremism.
00:02:36.000Donald Trump is not a normal candidate.
00:02:38.000Yet the perception and treatment of this election as a normal contest between competing candidates persists
00:02:43.000because some of us are not treating this with the urgency and the gravity that it deserves.
00:02:48.000What we're seeing, it isn't only so much what Donald Trump does, it's what his followers do.
00:02:54.000I think it's pretty clear that Donald Trump believes that his followers want to hear that he will be dictator for a day
00:03:03.000or that he will rule in an authoritarian fashion because the more he talks about it, the more enthusiasm he seems to have on his side.
00:03:11.000So we have to face the reality that a significant chunk of the American public is in a way weary or disgruntled with democracy, not just with the Democratic Party, and are willing to see a strong man take power.
00:03:27.000No matter what happens with the presidential election, we have a very big problem with Christian nationalism in the United States today.
00:03:34.000And we can see that not just on the national level, but also on the state level.
00:03:39.000I live in Texas, where we have had a concerted push towards authoritarian theocracy over the last several years.
00:03:47.000So Christian nationalism remains a problem no matter what happens on November 5th.
00:03:54.000Monday 28th of October, Anno Domini 2024.
00:03:58.000Hanrahe at the helm, filling in for the last time for Stephen K. Bannon.
00:04:03.000Look, we're going to have so much to break down on the show today, but I've just got to respond to some of this stuff that they were saying when MSNBC in the cold open just now.
00:04:11.000Why are they pushing this line so hard, so aggressively and accelerating the tone in the last full week before the elections?
00:04:19.000It's absolutely clear. We know the reason is because the Democrats have no record to stand on.
00:04:25.000Kamala Harris is doing everything she can to distance herself from Joe Biden, not being invited out to campaign with her.
00:04:31.000This is all they have left. This shtick is all they have left.
00:04:34.000It's so outrageous. Even Mayor Eric Adams said a couple of days ago to the Democrats they need to tone this rhetoric down about fascism in the Republican Party.
00:04:45.000Just a quick rewind in history. In 2008, there were 3,144 counties in the United States. In 2008, when Barack Obama defeated John McCain,
00:05:04.000two-thirds of all those counties, you remember the map how it was in 2016 when Trump won.
00:05:21.000Two-thirds of those counties voted for Barack Obama once out of those two cycles when Obama won.
00:05:29.000One-third of all your counties in the United States voted for Obama twice in both of those cycles.
00:05:36.000And then, as I say, 2016, it was a sea of red, right?
00:05:40.000This country, therefore, America, did not become white nationalist, fascist from one moment to the next.
00:05:48.000This is an absolute deception that the Democrats in their desperation are attempting, and the mainstream media is absolutely complicit in this.
00:05:57.000Back in the beginning of October, I think October the 6th, CBS interviewed its interview with Bill Whittaker, 60 Minutes.
00:06:07.000A lot of suggestions that this interview had been heavily edited that would compromise news distortion.
00:06:16.000So, who better to discuss this with now than Nathan Symington, a Trump-appointed commissioner on the Federal Communications Commission.
00:06:29.000Commissioner Symington, good morning. Thank you for joining us on the show.
00:06:33.000Now, I think you're the only commissioner to flag this outrage up with the chairwoman, Rebecca Wurzel-Rosen.
00:06:44.000Tell us a bit, if you wouldn't mind, about what has driven you to do this, and are we going to see the full, unedited interview?
00:06:54.000Well, that very much remains to be seen. Delighted to be here and glad to have the chance to discuss this issue.
00:07:01.000So, with the Federal Communications Commission, what we do, we don't regulate media.
00:07:07.000The United States has a much more robust free speech regime, even today, than most other democracies.
00:07:14.000So, we don't regulate media, but we do say that since the airwaves are public property, no one's entitled to a broadcast license.
00:07:21.000And in order to have a broadcast license, there are certain standards that you have to meet.
00:07:26.000Broadcast news distortion is a very interesting situation, because there hasn't been a good claim brought on it for years and years.
00:07:33.000Usually, we get broadcast news distortion complaints when someone just doesn't like coverage, or they feel that the coverage is slanted.
00:07:39.000The problem is that's protected editorial discretion under the First Amendment.
00:07:43.000What makes this claim interesting is that transcript you were talking about.
00:07:47.000You see, if you film coverage on an event, and in this case, the event being an interview, and then you alter the meaning of that footage in some way that deceives the public, you may find yourself within actionable broadcast news distortion.
00:08:04.000And so, you're asking, are we going to see the transcript?
00:08:07.000I guess my answer is it would be very easy for CBS to immunize itself against any possible claims for broadcast news distortion by releasing the transcript and showing that the editorial decisions that they made, you always make them when you're preparing a show.
00:08:25.000You cut a little bit here, you film 40 minutes of footage, but you can only use 20, whatever it is.
00:08:30.000If they show that their decisions were typical editorial decisions, then there's no case, and the entire thing falls apart, and there's no grounds for any investigation.
00:08:38.000On the other hand, if they don't release the transcript, you have to ask yourself, why is it exactly that they are so reluctant to take this simple step that would remove any possible FCC claim?
00:08:48.000So, in some ways, I'm as much in the dark as you.
00:08:52.000Commissioner Symington, one of the aspects here of this interview that has led to a lot of suspicion and complaints is the fact that when they previewed this the time before, they had Bill Whittaker ask a certain question, right, about E.B. Netanyahu, and she answered it one way.
00:09:09.000And then when the show went out the following day, the answer was the exact same question, the answer was totally different.
00:09:17.000So, it's not just a suspicion, is it? It's absolutely in your face.
00:09:21.000It's uncontrovertible that they have edited this somehow to give Kamala Harris the opportunity to be more coherent, let's put it like that, changing substantially the response that she gave.
00:09:36.000Now, the FCC chairwoman, Jessica Rosen-Warsall, is she obligated to do anything?
00:09:45.000I know that individual commissioners don't have the power to hit these broadcasting institutions.
00:09:53.000But if one of the commissioners, such as yourselves, flags up something like this, what is she obligated to do? How is she obligated to respond?
00:10:02.000Well, there, again, we don't really have an established process for dealing with broadcast news distortion because there have been so few successful claims under it.
00:10:12.000That's, again, what makes the instant case rather interesting because, you know, the last time I can find a major case that was litigated under this, it was in the last century.
00:10:22.000It was in the late 90s. And so the FCC just doesn't really have standard policies and procedures for dealing with something like this.
00:10:29.000And it's really hard to figure out exactly what, if anything, the chair can be made to do.
00:10:34.000Now, just because a lot of what we do at the commission is discretionary, it therefore turns to how is that discretion going to be exercised?
00:10:44.000And and regardless of who wins the election, it's traditional for the chair to step down on the inauguration day.
00:10:50.000So so it's so no doubt we're going to have a new chair pretty soon.
00:10:55.000And at that point, it the question sort of comes back up in terms of what can what can the chair be forced to do?
00:11:03.000That's, again, an especially interesting question, because we're just coming out of 40 years of Chevron deference to the behavior of administration, administrative agencies in interpreting their own statutes.
00:11:15.000And so there's, I guess, a longer term question, the degree to which FCC precedents of the last 40 years are still good, because it may be that we have been somewhat outside the bounds of our statute,
00:11:26.000that we've allowed, for example, too much discretion to go down to the office and bureau level or too much power to concentrate in the chair.
00:11:34.000Those are questions that really are not going to ripen prior to the next administration taking office.
00:11:41.000So I think it really falls to the next administration to grapple with Supreme Court developments and to figure out what the future of the FCC looks like.
00:11:49.000And, of course, when we talk about this, we can't avoid talking about Congress.
00:11:52.000At the end of the day, Congress writes our statute.
00:11:55.000And if Congress tells us you're chronically outside of your statute and and we're going to, you know, perhaps make a little amendment saying so.
00:12:02.000Well, then that's that's again, that's some new direction for us.
00:12:07.000But in terms of immediate prospects, nothing's going to happen before Inauguration Day.
00:12:11.000There's no process in place to force anything like that.
00:12:13.000On the other hand, if the public becomes sufficiently outraged with an issue, well, that's where democratic accountability comes from.
00:12:19.000Commissioner Symington, my final question to you is and you've mentioned that there's not a huge area of jurisprudence here to lean back on.
00:12:30.000But I gather that there's a specific threat here to broadcasters is the to do with the license license renewal, the potential to resell that license if it's formally censured.
00:12:43.000Could you just tell the war in posse a little bit about how that works and how it might come into play moving forward into the next administration?
00:12:51.000Absolutely. Well, as I said at the beginning of our conversation, the airwaves are a public trust.
00:12:57.000They belong to the American public and no one has an inherent right to use the airwaves.
00:13:01.000That's why the FCC exists to in order to handle claims or handle handle privileges to use the airwaves.
00:13:09.000And in the case of broadcasters, they're subject to a public interest obligation.
00:13:13.000And so we say if the if the broadcasters are not acting in the public interest, then FCC sanctions can include not just, for example, a fine.
00:13:23.000In fact, I'm not sure that we can find people right now.
00:13:25.000That's another Supreme Court development. We'll leave that for another time.
00:13:28.000But they definitely do include possible sanctions against the license and that the termination of a license is an extreme sanction that amounts to killing a TV or radio station.
00:13:37.000Conditions on a license renewal, on the other hand, have become a commonplace mechanism for exerting a degree of control over over the behavior of a broadcaster.
00:13:48.000And I guess I would just make one additional note in respect to that.
00:13:52.000So when we're talking about the last broadcast news distortion case to be brought, that case wound up.
00:13:58.000Well, the plaintiffs wound up losing in court and then they took it to appeals.
00:14:02.000And there the D.C. Circuit said something very interesting.
00:14:04.000The D.C. Circuit said that actually the FCC was a little bit insufficiently aggressive in considering evidentiary standards.
00:14:12.000So they said that the FCC should be or at least have the ability to look to a wider range of evidence to infer the intent to distort that the FCC actually did have some rights to second guess broadcasters editorial choices.
00:14:25.000For example, the quality of sources or depth of research that there are actually affirmative obligations on broadcasters to investigate a truth and the truth whenever a story involves inflammatory claims.
00:14:35.000So right now, at least at least at least on the basis of the last major case to be litigated, it seems to me that the FCC should maybe revive this question of whether broadcast news distortion is taking place or is taking place systematically.
00:16:46.000Well, I'm happy to say that my colleague Brendan Carr has also started discussing this issue.
00:16:54.000He mentioned it on Glenn Beck and on Maria Bartiromo's show and perhaps other venues, but those are the two where I've seen it come up.
00:17:03.000And I think he's across the issue as well.
00:17:05.000So at this point, we have two of the five commissioners flagging this as a potential problem.
00:17:10.000I think the commission got used to not pursuing news distortion.
00:17:13.000I mean, Section 326 of our statute says that the commission doesn't get to have any powers of censorship over any kind of broadcast.
00:17:22.000And I think we've, you know, we've grown accustomed to trusting the news and to assuming that that the news that comes out over broadcast is going to be is going to be honest and faithful and good journalism.
00:17:35.000The difficulty is that the difficulty is that right now in today's broadcast environment, maybe that's maybe that assumption needs a little testing.
00:17:45.000If you if you saw the beginning of the show and the cold open we had with some of the output from MSNBC, there was a commentator there who literally basically said that what Donald Trump was doing at Madison Square Gardens was a rerun of fascism.
00:18:05.000And and it was there that wasn't editorial that was absolutely put out there as if that was an objective statement of fact that will appall many, many people in the country and all of the audience of this show.
00:18:27.000How can they use the fact that there were two good commissioners on this on this commission to force back against the arrogance of the left wing cable news channels and say, well, hang on, you know, you can't say this kind of thing with impunity without there being consequences.
00:18:44.000Every day, commissioner, we have on the show, we normally open with something from either CNN or MSNBC.
00:18:49.000And it's just based on an outright lie.
00:18:51.000And people are quite justifiably angry and fed up with it.
00:18:54.000I think they want to feel empowered to be able to fight back.
00:18:59.000And as you say, the airwaves belong to them, right?
00:19:04.000The airwaves absolutely do belong to the American people.
00:19:06.000It's you know, it's worth noting that when we auction spectrum license rights to, for example, wireless telecommunications providers, those rights routinely go for the tens of billions of dollars.
00:19:18.000So, you know, the airwaves are and just the right to use the airwaves and thus to reach the American people is is those are very valuable rights.
00:19:27.000And no one should feel entitled to them.
00:19:30.000I guess what I would say is broadcast news distortion.
00:19:33.000It's in a way it's a very narrow category because if you want to go on TV and say, you know, this is communism or this is fascism or, you know, this so and so is the worst person ever to live.
00:19:44.000That is unfortunately protected editorial discretion.
00:19:47.000I mean, you know, it's it no matter how incredibly disagreeable it might be, no matter how wrong you might think it might be.
00:19:54.000Broadcast news distortion can't reach those points of view because we we take a very strong view of First Amendment protections here.
00:20:03.000And we say that the commission is not going to set itself up as a truth commission to decide what's right and wrong.
00:20:09.000So but with broadcast news distortion, on the other hand, in terms of what we can do, I think what we could do is talk about where there is deliberate misrepresentation or alteration of coverage.
00:20:20.000And it's maybe that alteration of coverage point that's the most interesting, because when you have a presentation of an interview, for example, or some other newsworthy event in which the editorial choices that are made go beyond mere editorial choices to actual changes of meaning.
00:20:37.000Then that's an area where we're not accustomed to being watchdogs because we've got a feeling of learned helplessness about the broadcasting industry.
00:20:44.000And I think it would do everyone good to let go of that feeling of learned helplessness and to say we are going to we are going to demand that broadcasters present interviews and present newsworthy events in the way that they occurred.
00:21:00.000It's that it that because that's how you get within broadcast news distortion.
00:21:05.000You see, if you present it as something different from what occurred, that's where you have the problem.
00:21:09.000Commissioner Symington, we're going to definitely invite you to come back on the show and expand on some of these themes.
00:21:15.000Warren Posse, if I may make a direct statement to you, you're probably feeling very angry right now hearing that broadcast networks have first protection rights to call you and Donald Trump fascists.
00:21:28.000But someone like Rudy Giuliani, who's an American hero, has been bankrupted because he expressed his right to free speech.
00:21:49.000Now, if I could jump in just for one second.
00:21:51.000Now, I just want to emphasize because you have just because you have a First Amendment right to say something, that doesn't mean that there aren't potential other avenues by which you might have liability.
00:22:02.000So we don't exercise prior restraint on speech, but there is such a thing as illegal speech.
00:22:08.000I think everyone should be very aware of when they're potentially coming within a tort claim that now that's that's outside of the direct FCC world because we're just looking at broadcast regulation, regulation of broadcasting over the airwaves.
00:22:24.000But you can but you absolutely can get yourself in legal trouble by defaming people or or by engaging in illegal speech.
00:22:32.000And again, we shouldn't have a sense of learned helplessness about that.
00:22:35.000If there's a specific person who could bring a claim, then they absolutely should.
00:22:39.000Commissioner Nathan Symington, thanks very much.
00:22:44.000Yeah, I guess we could chew on this all day.
00:23:09.000I haven't been very active on social media because my my personality and disposition is to be a little bit of a beside behind the scenes technical legal expert.
00:23:19.000And I like working on the engineering issues more than on any sort of public facing issues.
00:23:25.000And but that said, I think this with this live controversy that we have right now, I will be continuing to post clips and analysis on X, formerly known as Twitter.
00:23:37.000And and then and then, of course, people are always welcome to engage directly with my office, my my email and my staff emails are all on the commission website.
00:23:49.000And if if there are people out there who feel that they need help navigating these waters, we really do answer our email.
00:23:56.000We're public servants. We're accountable for that. So I encourage people to reach out.
00:24:00.000Commissioner Nathan Symington, thanks very much for coming on the one.
00:24:03.000We'll definitely be catching up with you again soon. God bless for now.
00:24:06.000OK, E.J. and Tony, we've got a couple of minutes left before we go to the break.
00:24:13.000I know that the Wall Street Journal seems to have its knickers in a twist regarding the potential of an incoming Trump administration doing scare scare tactics about inflation.
00:24:26.000Why don't you just break this down for us? What's going on now? What's this debate all about?
00:24:31.000Well, the first thing to remember is all the people who are saying that the sky is going to fall essentially if Trump gets a second term are the same people who said that the sky was going to fall during Trump's first term.
00:24:42.000They said that he was going to cause runaway inflation, that he was going to set off trade and tariff wars, etc.
00:24:49.000And none of those things happened. Ironically, all of the inflation came during the Biden administration when the runaway spending, which those same experts said would not cause inflation, set off that inflationary fire, which then also gave us not only 40 year high inflation, but also the fastest interest rate hikes in 40 years.
00:25:07.000All of this has combined, of course, to create essentially a cost of living crisis for most Americans.
00:25:13.000And again, all of the experts, a lot of whom are at the center of this Wall Street Journal piece who are saying that the economy will essentially fall apart under another Trump administration.
00:25:25.000They said the same thing under the first Trump term, and they were completely wrong.
00:25:29.000They said it was going to be a new age of prosperity under Biden. They were completely wrong.
00:25:34.000There is no reason to believe that they are right this time around.
00:25:38.000Furthermore, the evidence and the record of history says that they're not going to be right this time around either.
00:25:44.000E.J., we've got half a minute up until the break. Can you just say I think they've got some important U.S. jobs data coming out this week, right?
00:25:53.000Yes, Friday will get the last jobs report before the election.
00:25:58.000And, you know, unfortunately, something that we've talked about quite a bit before has been the inaccuracy of these reports where we get what initially looks like a very good number, but then it's always revised lower in later months.
00:26:10.000And we've also seen not only those monthly revisions, but also the annual revision process as well knock off a lot of those jobs.
00:26:18.000And and just to show you how bad things are in manufacturing, for example, you're off over one hundred and forty thousand jobs since the start of January twenty twenty three.
00:26:29.000E.J., stand by. We're back in two minutes after this short break.
00:26:32.000There's a lot at stake in this upcoming election.
00:26:35.000But regardless of who is sitting in the White House, the fuse on the economy has already been lit.
00:26:40.000Even four years of a conservative presidency will not be enough to turn the tide on our thirty five trillion dollar national debt.
00:26:48.000And if the left wins, it's like throwing gas on a dumpster fire.
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00:31:59.000You know, we have a completely frozen over housing market for the first time since the Great Depression.
00:32:03.000An entire generation of young people likely will never be able to afford a home in their lifetimes.
00:32:09.000In other words, a majority of that generation will probably not become homeowners, at least not until one of their parents dies and leaves a home to that younger generation.
00:32:17.000I mean, things are really, really terrible right now in the American economy.
00:32:22.000But going back to the data question, when you continue to have numbers that are initially wildly overestimated, it looks like a beat to Wall Street estimates.
00:32:31.000And then you get the downward revisions and you realize that all of those beats were actually misses.
00:32:36.000But for some reason, no one wants to pay attention to those things.
00:32:39.000E.J. Antony, you're doing excellent work at the Heritage Foundation and you're telling the warring posse the truth.
00:32:46.000Where do they go if they want to digest some of your analysis more profoundly?
00:32:54.000The best place to find me is going to be on X and the handle there is at real E.J. Antony.
00:33:00.000E.J., thanks very much for coming on the show. We'll catch up again with you soon. God bless for now.
00:33:38.000Let's give a quick refresher on what is going on in the Commonwealth of Virginia and say what the recent developments are with regards to Governor Youngkin's appeal to the Supreme Court.
00:33:50.000Sure, Ben. Thanks. Thanks for having us on. Very fast moving case.
00:33:55.000Just last night, the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals rejected Virginia's appeal to stay a federal judge who ruled on Friday that the Commonwealth of Virginia must return to the voter rolls just under 1600 registrations that had been removed because the registrants had self-declared as non-citizens.
00:34:19.000So under Virginia's own existing statute, a statute that then Democrat Governor Tim Kaine had signed about 18 years ago, as well as federal law, the National Voter Registration Act, Virginia did its routine maintenance of voter rolls and did not register non-citizens who do not have eligibility to be registered in the first place.
00:34:40.340So it's kicked off quite an uproar since the judge ruled on Friday that you have to stop what you're doing, Virginia, and let these non-citizens back on your voter rolls.
00:34:53.020So on Sunday, just last night, after Attorney General Mayeris filed an appeal to the Fourth Circuit, which is the path that you have to go down to get onto the Supreme Court, a very liberal court.
00:35:05.440It's swung very liberal in the past few years, a Biden appointee and an Obama appointee rejected Virginia's appeal.
00:35:15.480And so Attorney General Mayeris is now seeking an appeal to the United States Supreme Court.
00:35:22.160And this is the, I think, if I understand, I've done my homework properly, this is the portion of the circuit that Chief Justice John Roberts oversees.
00:35:30.940So we'll be waiting to hear if they decide to take the course, the case, rather.
00:35:36.120Erin, can you help break this down for me?
00:35:38.080Because I would have thought this was an open and shut case.
00:35:40.580Non-citizens aren't allowed to vote in elections, right?
00:35:44.280What is the legal argument that the Democrats are using here?
00:35:51.860It all comes down to a read of the National Voter Registration Act, so-called Motor Voter, which allows people to register to vote at the Department of Motor Vehicles when they're transacting to get a driver's license.
00:36:06.320Non-citizens are awarded driver's licenses through the DMV, but they have to submit legal presence codes to attest whether or not they're a citizen.
00:36:15.440Because if you're not a citizen, you get a different kind of license.
00:36:18.760You get, like, a limited duration license.
00:36:20.800You might be a student here on a student visa, but you're not a citizen.
00:36:24.040So the Department, the DMV sends those codes to the, excuse me, the Department of Elections.
00:36:29.800They do a match to find out whether declared non-citizens through the DMV are on their rolls.
00:36:35.940They send a notice to the declared non-citizens saying,
00:36:39.000you declared non-citizen, could you please attest under penalty of perjury and possible deportation, whether you're a citizen or not.
00:36:47.180This is what Governor Youngkin was talking about over the weekend on his social media feed, saying they've already attested, they've submitted paperwork, they're not citizens.
00:36:56.360But it's a read of the NVRA, the Motor Voter, that uses this term quiet period, the 90-day quiet period, 90 days prior to an election that says,
00:37:05.680you can't do anything to your voter rolls.
00:37:08.720And what this, what the read is all about, though, what that portion of the law addresses,
00:37:13.200are people who were registered already, registered voters who have eligibility to be registered in the first place.
00:37:19.460So non-citizens do not have eligibility to be on the rolls in the first place.
00:37:24.240And that's where the fight is coming down to, because it's just a straight read of the NVRA,
00:37:30.520that if you're a non-citizen, you really have no eligibility to be on the roll in the first place.
00:37:35.940If you're somebody who's lived here in Virginia, for example, for five years,
00:37:39.960and you moved about three weeks ago, and you haven't re-established your residency somewhere else,
00:37:46.260that kind of gray area is what this quiet period is all about.
00:37:50.320So that's kind of a rundown of where we are in this legal battle.
00:37:54.080Aaron, just to give the Democrats here the benefit of the doubt, only on this issue,
00:38:01.340only on the 90-day grace period, there is a certain reasonableness about that.