Bannon's War Room - October 28, 2024


Episode 4007： Overreach Of The FCC; Inflation Continues To Soar


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53 minutes

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610

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Misogyny

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Stephen K. Bannon delivers a blistering attack on the liberal media and its obsession with hyperventilating over the 2020 election, and why it s time to wake up to the fact that we could be losing our democracy to a fascist.

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00:00:00.000 This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
00:00:06.000 Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people.
00:00:11.000 I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.
00:00:16.000 The people have had a belly full of it.
00:00:18.000 I know you don't like hearing that.
00:00:19.000 I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that,
00:00:21.000 but you're not going to stop it.
00:00:22.000 It's going to happen.
00:00:23.000 And where do people like that go to share the big lie?
00:00:26.000 MAGA Media.
00:00:28.000 I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
00:00:33.000 Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
00:00:37.000 If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
00:00:44.000 War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
00:00:53.000 But that chamboree happening right now, you see it there on your screen.
00:00:57.000 In that place is particularly chilling.
00:01:00.000 Because in 1939, more than 20,000 supporters of a different fascist leader,
00:01:06.000 Adolf Hitler, packed the garden for a so-called pro-America rally.
00:01:11.000 A rally where speakers voiced anti-Semitic rhetoric from a stage draped with Nazi banners.
00:01:17.000 When a Jewish protester rushed the stage, the Associated Press reported, quote,
00:01:22.000 instantly a dozen or more storm troopers set upon him,
00:01:26.000 knocking him down and beating him as he held his head in his arms.
00:01:30.000 Most of his clothing was torn from his body.
00:01:33.000 Later, he was booked for disorderly conduct.
00:01:37.000 Now, against that backdrop of history, Donald Trump, the man who has threatened to use the military against opponents he calls enemies from within,
00:01:47.000 who has threatened to use the troops to quell what he says are lawless cities,
00:01:53.000 and to use those troops to carry out mass deportations of immigrants,
00:01:57.000 is once again turning Madison Square Garden into a staging ground for extremism.
00:02:02.000 It should virtually be nothing else.
00:02:05.000 We could be nine days away from losing our democracy as we know it,
00:02:08.000 and yet there are still people complaining about a lack of policy details coming from Kamala Harris.
00:02:13.000 Now, don't get me wrong. I like policy discussions.
00:02:16.000 I live for the detail and the minutia of public policy.
00:02:20.000 But if we lose our democracy to a fascist, we will never have those kinds of nuanced and important discussions again.
00:02:27.000 Under Trump, we will not be debating climate or universal health care or collective bargaining or Gaza.
00:02:34.000 This is not a normal election.
00:02:36.000 Donald Trump is not a normal candidate.
00:02:38.000 Yet the perception and treatment of this election as a normal contest between competing candidates persists
00:02:43.000 because some of us are not treating this with the urgency and the gravity that it deserves.
00:02:48.000 What we're seeing, it isn't only so much what Donald Trump does, it's what his followers do.
00:02:54.000 I think it's pretty clear that Donald Trump believes that his followers want to hear that he will be dictator for a day
00:03:03.000 or that he will rule in an authoritarian fashion because the more he talks about it, the more enthusiasm he seems to have on his side.
00:03:11.000 So we have to face the reality that a significant chunk of the American public is in a way weary or disgruntled with democracy, not just with the Democratic Party, and are willing to see a strong man take power.
00:03:27.000 No matter what happens with the presidential election, we have a very big problem with Christian nationalism in the United States today.
00:03:34.000 And we can see that not just on the national level, but also on the state level.
00:03:39.000 I live in Texas, where we have had a concerted push towards authoritarian theocracy over the last several years.
00:03:47.000 So Christian nationalism remains a problem no matter what happens on November 5th.
00:03:54.000 Monday 28th of October, Anno Domini 2024.
00:03:58.000 Hanrahe at the helm, filling in for the last time for Stephen K. Bannon.
00:04:03.000 Look, we're going to have so much to break down on the show today, but I've just got to respond to some of this stuff that they were saying when MSNBC in the cold open just now.
00:04:11.000 Why are they pushing this line so hard, so aggressively and accelerating the tone in the last full week before the elections?
00:04:19.000 It's absolutely clear. We know the reason is because the Democrats have no record to stand on.
00:04:25.000 Kamala Harris is doing everything she can to distance herself from Joe Biden, not being invited out to campaign with her.
00:04:31.000 This is all they have left. This shtick is all they have left.
00:04:34.000 It's so outrageous. Even Mayor Eric Adams said a couple of days ago to the Democrats they need to tone this rhetoric down about fascism in the Republican Party.
00:04:45.000 Just a quick rewind in history. In 2008, there were 3,144 counties in the United States. In 2008, when Barack Obama defeated John McCain,
00:05:04.000 two-thirds of all those counties, you remember the map how it was in 2016 when Trump won.
00:05:21.000 Two-thirds of those counties voted for Barack Obama once out of those two cycles when Obama won.
00:05:29.000 One-third of all your counties in the United States voted for Obama twice in both of those cycles.
00:05:36.000 And then, as I say, 2016, it was a sea of red, right?
00:05:40.000 This country, therefore, America, did not become white nationalist, fascist from one moment to the next.
00:05:48.000 This is an absolute deception that the Democrats in their desperation are attempting, and the mainstream media is absolutely complicit in this.
00:05:57.000 Back in the beginning of October, I think October the 6th, CBS interviewed its interview with Bill Whittaker, 60 Minutes.
00:06:07.000 A lot of suggestions that this interview had been heavily edited that would compromise news distortion.
00:06:16.000 So, who better to discuss this with now than Nathan Symington, a Trump-appointed commissioner on the Federal Communications Commission.
00:06:29.000 Commissioner Symington, good morning. Thank you for joining us on the show.
00:06:33.000 Now, I think you're the only commissioner to flag this outrage up with the chairwoman, Rebecca Wurzel-Rosen.
00:06:44.000 Tell us a bit, if you wouldn't mind, about what has driven you to do this, and are we going to see the full, unedited interview?
00:06:54.000 Well, that very much remains to be seen. Delighted to be here and glad to have the chance to discuss this issue.
00:07:01.000 So, with the Federal Communications Commission, what we do, we don't regulate media.
00:07:07.000 The United States has a much more robust free speech regime, even today, than most other democracies.
00:07:14.000 So, we don't regulate media, but we do say that since the airwaves are public property, no one's entitled to a broadcast license.
00:07:21.000 And in order to have a broadcast license, there are certain standards that you have to meet.
00:07:26.000 Broadcast news distortion is a very interesting situation, because there hasn't been a good claim brought on it for years and years.
00:07:33.000 Usually, we get broadcast news distortion complaints when someone just doesn't like coverage, or they feel that the coverage is slanted.
00:07:39.000 The problem is that's protected editorial discretion under the First Amendment.
00:07:43.000 What makes this claim interesting is that transcript you were talking about.
00:07:47.000 You see, if you film coverage on an event, and in this case, the event being an interview, and then you alter the meaning of that footage in some way that deceives the public, you may find yourself within actionable broadcast news distortion.
00:08:04.000 And so, you're asking, are we going to see the transcript?
00:08:07.000 I guess my answer is it would be very easy for CBS to immunize itself against any possible claims for broadcast news distortion by releasing the transcript and showing that the editorial decisions that they made, you always make them when you're preparing a show.
00:08:25.000 You cut a little bit here, you film 40 minutes of footage, but you can only use 20, whatever it is.
00:08:30.000 If they show that their decisions were typical editorial decisions, then there's no case, and the entire thing falls apart, and there's no grounds for any investigation.
00:08:38.000 On the other hand, if they don't release the transcript, you have to ask yourself, why is it exactly that they are so reluctant to take this simple step that would remove any possible FCC claim?
00:08:48.000 So, in some ways, I'm as much in the dark as you.
00:08:52.000 Commissioner Symington, one of the aspects here of this interview that has led to a lot of suspicion and complaints is the fact that when they previewed this the time before, they had Bill Whittaker ask a certain question, right, about E.B. Netanyahu, and she answered it one way.
00:09:09.000 And then when the show went out the following day, the answer was the exact same question, the answer was totally different.
00:09:17.000 So, it's not just a suspicion, is it? It's absolutely in your face.
00:09:21.000 It's uncontrovertible that they have edited this somehow to give Kamala Harris the opportunity to be more coherent, let's put it like that, changing substantially the response that she gave.
00:09:36.000 Now, the FCC chairwoman, Jessica Rosen-Warsall, is she obligated to do anything? 0.99
00:09:45.000 I know that individual commissioners don't have the power to hit these broadcasting institutions.
00:09:53.000 But if one of the commissioners, such as yourselves, flags up something like this, what is she obligated to do? How is she obligated to respond?
00:10:02.000 Well, there, again, we don't really have an established process for dealing with broadcast news distortion because there have been so few successful claims under it.
00:10:12.000 That's, again, what makes the instant case rather interesting because, you know, the last time I can find a major case that was litigated under this, it was in the last century.
00:10:22.000 It was in the late 90s. And so the FCC just doesn't really have standard policies and procedures for dealing with something like this.
00:10:29.000 And it's really hard to figure out exactly what, if anything, the chair can be made to do.
00:10:34.000 Now, just because a lot of what we do at the commission is discretionary, it therefore turns to how is that discretion going to be exercised?
00:10:44.000 And and regardless of who wins the election, it's traditional for the chair to step down on the inauguration day.
00:10:50.000 So so it's so no doubt we're going to have a new chair pretty soon.
00:10:55.000 And at that point, it the question sort of comes back up in terms of what can what can the chair be forced to do?
00:11:03.000 That's, again, an especially interesting question, because we're just coming out of 40 years of Chevron deference to the behavior of administration, administrative agencies in interpreting their own statutes.
00:11:15.000 And so there's, I guess, a longer term question, the degree to which FCC precedents of the last 40 years are still good, because it may be that we have been somewhat outside the bounds of our statute,
00:11:26.000 that we've allowed, for example, too much discretion to go down to the office and bureau level or too much power to concentrate in the chair.
00:11:34.000 Those are questions that really are not going to ripen prior to the next administration taking office.
00:11:41.000 So I think it really falls to the next administration to grapple with Supreme Court developments and to figure out what the future of the FCC looks like.
00:11:49.000 And, of course, when we talk about this, we can't avoid talking about Congress.
00:11:52.000 At the end of the day, Congress writes our statute.
00:11:54.000 We're accountable to Congress.
00:11:55.000 And if Congress tells us you're chronically outside of your statute and and we're going to, you know, perhaps make a little amendment saying so.
00:12:02.000 Well, then that's that's again, that's some new direction for us.
00:12:07.000 But in terms of immediate prospects, nothing's going to happen before Inauguration Day.
00:12:11.000 There's no process in place to force anything like that.
00:12:13.000 On the other hand, if the public becomes sufficiently outraged with an issue, well, that's where democratic accountability comes from.
00:12:19.000 Commissioner Symington, my final question to you is and you've mentioned that there's not a huge area of jurisprudence here to lean back on.
00:12:30.000 But I gather that there's a specific threat here to broadcasters is the to do with the license license renewal, the potential to resell that license if it's formally censured.
00:12:43.000 Could you just tell the war in posse a little bit about how that works and how it might come into play moving forward into the next administration?
00:12:51.000 Absolutely. Well, as I said at the beginning of our conversation, the airwaves are a public trust.
00:12:57.000 They belong to the American public and no one has an inherent right to use the airwaves.
00:13:01.000 That's why the FCC exists to in order to handle claims or handle handle privileges to use the airwaves. 0.88
00:13:09.000 And in the case of broadcasters, they're subject to a public interest obligation.
00:13:13.000 And so we say if the if the broadcasters are not acting in the public interest, then FCC sanctions can include not just, for example, a fine.
00:13:23.000 In fact, I'm not sure that we can find people right now.
00:13:25.000 That's another Supreme Court development. We'll leave that for another time.
00:13:28.000 But they definitely do include possible sanctions against the license and that the termination of a license is an extreme sanction that amounts to killing a TV or radio station.
00:13:37.000 Conditions on a license renewal, on the other hand, have become a commonplace mechanism for exerting a degree of control over over the behavior of a broadcaster.
00:13:48.000 And I guess I would just make one additional note in respect to that.
00:13:52.000 So when we're talking about the last broadcast news distortion case to be brought, that case wound up.
00:13:58.000 Well, the plaintiffs wound up losing in court and then they took it to appeals.
00:14:02.000 And there the D.C. Circuit said something very interesting.
00:14:04.000 The D.C. Circuit said that actually the FCC was a little bit insufficiently aggressive in considering evidentiary standards.
00:14:12.000 So they said that the FCC should be or at least have the ability to look to a wider range of evidence to infer the intent to distort that the FCC actually did have some rights to second guess broadcasters editorial choices.
00:14:25.000 For example, the quality of sources or depth of research that there are actually affirmative obligations on broadcasters to investigate a truth and the truth whenever a story involves inflammatory claims.
00:14:35.000 So right now, at least at least at least on the basis of the last major case to be litigated, it seems to me that the FCC should maybe revive this question of whether broadcast news distortion is taking place or is taking place systematically.
00:14:50.000 We need to trust the news.
00:14:52.000 We'll be back in two minutes after this short break with Commissioner Nathan Symington.
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00:16:12.000 Here's your host, Stephen K. Mann.
00:16:16.000 Welcome back.
00:16:23.000 Commissioner Symington, could you just perhaps give us a quick word?
00:16:28.000 How is it you're the only person to flag this up?
00:16:31.000 This whole thing has been occupying sort of column inches and broadcast minutes since October the 6th itself.
00:16:39.000 And you're the only person who's stepped up on the entire commission to say, hang on, we need to look into this.
00:16:45.000 How is that possible?
00:16:46.000 Well, I'm happy to say that my colleague Brendan Carr has also started discussing this issue.
00:16:54.000 He mentioned it on Glenn Beck and on Maria Bartiromo's show and perhaps other venues, but those are the two where I've seen it come up.
00:17:03.000 And I think he's across the issue as well.
00:17:05.000 So at this point, we have two of the five commissioners flagging this as a potential problem.
00:17:10.000 I think the commission got used to not pursuing news distortion.
00:17:13.000 I mean, Section 326 of our statute says that the commission doesn't get to have any powers of censorship over any kind of broadcast.
00:17:22.000 And I think we've, you know, we've grown accustomed to trusting the news and to assuming that that the news that comes out over broadcast is going to be is going to be honest and faithful and good journalism.
00:17:35.000 The difficulty is that the difficulty is that right now in today's broadcast environment, maybe that's maybe that assumption needs a little testing.
00:17:45.000 If you if you saw the beginning of the show and the cold open we had with some of the output from MSNBC, there was a commentator there who literally basically said that what Donald Trump was doing at Madison Square Gardens was a rerun of fascism.
00:18:05.000 And and it was there that wasn't editorial that was absolutely put out there as if that was an objective statement of fact that will appall many, many people in the country and all of the audience of this show.
00:18:19.000 What can they do?
00:18:20.000 What can the woman possibly do in the future, assuming Trump wins on November the 5th? 0.95
00:18:25.000 What can people do?
00:18:27.000 How can they use the fact that there were two good commissioners on this on this commission to force back against the arrogance of the left wing cable news channels and say, well, hang on, you know, you can't say this kind of thing with impunity without there being consequences.
00:18:44.000 Every day, commissioner, we have on the show, we normally open with something from either CNN or MSNBC.
00:18:49.000 And it's just based on an outright lie.
00:18:51.000 And people are quite justifiably angry and fed up with it.
00:18:54.000 I think they want to feel empowered to be able to fight back.
00:18:59.000 And as you say, the airwaves belong to them, right?
00:19:02.000 The airwaves do.
00:19:04.000 The airwaves absolutely do belong to the American people.
00:19:06.000 It's you know, it's worth noting that when we auction spectrum license rights to, for example, wireless telecommunications providers, those rights routinely go for the tens of billions of dollars.
00:19:18.000 So, you know, the airwaves are and just the right to use the airwaves and thus to reach the American people is is those are very valuable rights.
00:19:27.000 And no one should feel entitled to them.
00:19:30.000 I guess what I would say is broadcast news distortion.
00:19:33.000 It's in a way it's a very narrow category because if you want to go on TV and say, you know, this is communism or this is fascism or, you know, this so and so is the worst person ever to live.
00:19:44.000 That is unfortunately protected editorial discretion.
00:19:47.000 I mean, you know, it's it no matter how incredibly disagreeable it might be, no matter how wrong you might think it might be.
00:19:54.000 Broadcast news distortion can't reach those points of view because we we take a very strong view of First Amendment protections here.
00:20:03.000 And we say that the commission is not going to set itself up as a truth commission to decide what's right and wrong.
00:20:09.000 So but with broadcast news distortion, on the other hand, in terms of what we can do, I think what we could do is talk about where there is deliberate misrepresentation or alteration of coverage.
00:20:20.000 And it's maybe that alteration of coverage point that's the most interesting, because when you have a presentation of an interview, for example, or some other newsworthy event in which the editorial choices that are made go beyond mere editorial choices to actual changes of meaning.
00:20:37.000 Then that's an area where we're not accustomed to being watchdogs because we've got a feeling of learned helplessness about the broadcasting industry.
00:20:44.000 And I think it would do everyone good to let go of that feeling of learned helplessness and to say we are going to we are going to demand that broadcasters present interviews and present newsworthy events in the way that they occurred.
00:21:00.000 It's that it that because that's how you get within broadcast news distortion.
00:21:05.000 You see, if you present it as something different from what occurred, that's where you have the problem.
00:21:09.000 Commissioner Symington, we're going to definitely invite you to come back on the show and expand on some of these themes.
00:21:15.000 Warren Posse, if I may make a direct statement to you, you're probably feeling very angry right now hearing that broadcast networks have first protection rights to call you and Donald Trump fascists.
00:21:28.000 But someone like Rudy Giuliani, who's an American hero, has been bankrupted because he expressed his right to free speech.
00:21:36.000 Take that anger with you.
00:21:39.000 Nurture that anger.
00:21:40.000 Right.
00:21:41.000 Nurture that anger.
00:21:42.000 Take it with you until all the way up until November the 5th.
00:21:45.000 That is the arrogance of the system.
00:21:46.000 Right.
00:21:47.000 That you need to confront.
00:21:49.000 Now, if I could jump in just for one second.
00:21:51.000 Now, I just want to emphasize because you have just because you have a First Amendment right to say something, that doesn't mean that there aren't potential other avenues by which you might have liability.
00:22:02.000 So we don't exercise prior restraint on speech, but there is such a thing as illegal speech.
00:22:07.000 There is such a thing as defamation.
00:22:08.000 I think everyone should be very aware of when they're potentially coming within a tort claim that now that's that's outside of the direct FCC world because we're just looking at broadcast regulation, regulation of broadcasting over the airwaves.
00:22:24.000 But you can but you absolutely can get yourself in legal trouble by defaming people or or by engaging in illegal speech.
00:22:32.000 And again, we shouldn't have a sense of learned helplessness about that.
00:22:35.000 If there's a specific person who could bring a claim, then they absolutely should.
00:22:39.000 Commissioner Nathan Symington, thanks very much.
00:22:44.000 Yeah, I guess we could chew on this all day.
00:22:48.000 Yeah.
00:22:49.000 Where do people go?
00:22:50.000 I noticed that you put something out on X earlier.
00:22:53.000 Where do people go on social media to keep up with you and to support what you're doing here, holding a CBS to account?
00:23:01.000 Well, my my senior Republican colleague on the commission, Brandon Carr, has a very well known X account.
00:23:08.000 That's always worth following.
00:23:09.000 I haven't been very active on social media because my my personality and disposition is to be a little bit of a beside behind the scenes technical legal expert.
00:23:19.000 And I like working on the engineering issues more than on any sort of public facing issues.
00:23:25.000 And but that said, I think this with this live controversy that we have right now, I will be continuing to post clips and analysis on X, formerly known as Twitter.
00:23:37.000 And and then and then, of course, people are always welcome to engage directly with my office, my my email and my staff emails are all on the commission website.
00:23:49.000 And if if there are people out there who feel that they need help navigating these waters, we really do answer our email.
00:23:56.000 We're public servants. We're accountable for that. So I encourage people to reach out.
00:24:00.000 Commissioner Nathan Symington, thanks very much for coming on the one.
00:24:03.000 We'll definitely be catching up with you again soon. God bless for now.
00:24:06.000 OK, E.J. and Tony, we've got a couple of minutes left before we go to the break.
00:24:13.000 I know that the Wall Street Journal seems to have its knickers in a twist regarding the potential of an incoming Trump administration doing scare scare tactics about inflation.
00:24:26.000 Why don't you just break this down for us? What's going on now? What's this debate all about?
00:24:31.000 Well, the first thing to remember is all the people who are saying that the sky is going to fall essentially if Trump gets a second term are the same people who said that the sky was going to fall during Trump's first term.
00:24:42.000 They said that he was going to cause runaway inflation, that he was going to set off trade and tariff wars, etc.
00:24:49.000 And none of those things happened. Ironically, all of the inflation came during the Biden administration when the runaway spending, which those same experts said would not cause inflation, set off that inflationary fire, which then also gave us not only 40 year high inflation, but also the fastest interest rate hikes in 40 years.
00:25:07.000 All of this has combined, of course, to create essentially a cost of living crisis for most Americans.
00:25:13.000 And again, all of the experts, a lot of whom are at the center of this Wall Street Journal piece who are saying that the economy will essentially fall apart under another Trump administration.
00:25:25.000 They said the same thing under the first Trump term, and they were completely wrong.
00:25:29.000 They said it was going to be a new age of prosperity under Biden. They were completely wrong.
00:25:34.000 There is no reason to believe that they are right this time around.
00:25:38.000 Furthermore, the evidence and the record of history says that they're not going to be right this time around either.
00:25:44.000 E.J., we've got half a minute up until the break. Can you just say I think they've got some important U.S. jobs data coming out this week, right?
00:25:53.000 Yes, Friday will get the last jobs report before the election.
00:25:58.000 And, you know, unfortunately, something that we've talked about quite a bit before has been the inaccuracy of these reports where we get what initially looks like a very good number, but then it's always revised lower in later months.
00:26:10.000 And we've also seen not only those monthly revisions, but also the annual revision process as well knock off a lot of those jobs.
00:26:18.000 And and just to show you how bad things are in manufacturing, for example, you're off over one hundred and forty thousand jobs since the start of January twenty twenty three.
00:26:29.000 E.J., stand by. We're back in two minutes after this short break.
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00:29:15.000 Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
00:29:27.000 I'll go back.
00:29:28.000 There's just an article in the New York Times with the headline that came out a couple of days ago.
00:29:32.000 They used to be ahead in the American economy.
00:29:34.000 Now they've fallen behind.
00:29:36.000 One economic question that really matters in an election year.
00:29:40.000 Are others doing better than you?
00:29:42.000 The answer is, obviously, for so many people in America, especially those in the lower two quintiles,
00:29:48.000 know they're not doing better over the last four years.
00:29:51.000 And what the regime is trying to do is to gaslight you and to think, yeah, it's great.
00:29:57.000 Inflation is coming down.
00:29:58.000 You know, so these statistics are great.
00:30:01.000 But, of course, life has never been more expensive.
00:30:04.000 E.J. Antonio, what you were saying before the break is extremely important there.
00:30:08.000 On Friday, the U.S. jobs data will come out.
00:30:12.000 And the recent practices, these data are quite positive.
00:30:17.000 And then they're revised back down subsequently.
00:30:20.000 That's important, I think, for the Warren policy to bear in mind, because the regime and its apparatus
00:30:26.000 in the mainstream media is going to go hard on now, isn't it?
00:30:30.000 The last full week before the election, Friday before the election, they're going to fall on
00:30:35.000 and try and convince you not to trust your own lying eyes.
00:30:40.000 Right.
00:30:41.000 And there's a reason why we see such an incredible disconnect today between the official government
00:30:47.000 produced data and polling on the economy.
00:30:50.000 And to be clear, this is not even politically driven.
00:30:53.000 So, in other words, when we ask people not just how do you do you approve of, let's say,
00:30:57.000 Biden or Harris is handling of the economy.
00:31:00.000 Forget those questions.
00:31:01.000 Let's look just for a moment at how are your personal finances or do you think the economy
00:31:06.000 is working for you and your family?
00:31:08.000 Questions like that, things that are purely apolitical.
00:31:10.000 The responses are terrible and have been for a couple of years now.
00:31:14.000 And a key reason why is because the official data that we keep getting are being completely skewed.
00:31:21.000 They are no longer accurate.
00:31:23.000 And there's a lot of different reasons for that.
00:31:25.000 But the fact of the matter is, again, the numbers we are getting do not reflect reality.
00:31:30.000 And so, ironically, the best objective measure we have right now of the economy is the subjective
00:31:36.000 measure of how people feel about it, because what that is reflecting is the fact that most
00:31:42.000 Americans have have maxed out at least one of their credit cards, for example.
00:31:47.000 It's reflecting the reality that there's well over a trillion dollars of credit card debt right now,
00:31:51.000 that the total interest paid on those credit cards is over three hundred billion dollars a year.
00:31:57.000 That's just the interest.
00:31:59.000 You know, we have a completely frozen over housing market for the first time since the Great Depression.
00:32:03.000 An entire generation of young people likely will never be able to afford a home in their lifetimes.
00:32:09.000 In other words, a majority of that generation will probably not become homeowners, at least not until one of their parents dies and leaves a home to that younger generation.
00:32:17.000 I mean, things are really, really terrible right now in the American economy.
00:32:22.000 But going back to the data question, when you continue to have numbers that are initially wildly overestimated, it looks like a beat to Wall Street estimates.
00:32:31.000 And then you get the downward revisions and you realize that all of those beats were actually misses.
00:32:36.000 But for some reason, no one wants to pay attention to those things.
00:32:39.000 E.J. Antony, you're doing excellent work at the Heritage Foundation and you're telling the warring posse the truth.
00:32:46.000 Where do they go if they want to digest some of your analysis more profoundly?
00:32:54.000 The best place to find me is going to be on X and the handle there is at real E.J. Antony.
00:33:00.000 E.J., thanks very much for coming on the show. We'll catch up again with you soon. God bless for now.
00:33:05.000 You too.
00:33:07.000 Let's talk now. We're going over to Virginia.
00:33:12.000 I think most people will have seen these comments from Governor Youngkin about criticizing the judge who had ruled.
00:33:21.000 I think over a thousand or so votes of non-citizens must be included, must be considered in the election.
00:33:29.000 They must be able to vote.
00:33:31.000 Erin Joyce from the Electoral Process Education Corp.
00:33:36.000 Thanks for coming back on the show.
00:33:38.000 Let's give a quick refresher on what is going on in the Commonwealth of Virginia and say what the recent developments are with regards to Governor Youngkin's appeal to the Supreme Court.
00:33:50.000 Sure, Ben. Thanks. Thanks for having us on. Very fast moving case.
00:33:55.000 Just last night, the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals rejected Virginia's appeal to stay a federal judge who ruled on Friday that the Commonwealth of Virginia must return to the voter rolls just under 1600 registrations that had been removed because the registrants had self-declared as non-citizens.
00:34:19.000 So under Virginia's own existing statute, a statute that then Democrat Governor Tim Kaine had signed about 18 years ago, as well as federal law, the National Voter Registration Act, Virginia did its routine maintenance of voter rolls and did not register non-citizens who do not have eligibility to be registered in the first place.
00:34:40.340 So it's kicked off quite an uproar since the judge ruled on Friday that you have to stop what you're doing, Virginia, and let these non-citizens back on your voter rolls. 0.99
00:34:51.180 So that's where we are.
00:34:53.020 So on Sunday, just last night, after Attorney General Mayeris filed an appeal to the Fourth Circuit, which is the path that you have to go down to get onto the Supreme Court, a very liberal court.
00:35:05.440 It's swung very liberal in the past few years, a Biden appointee and an Obama appointee rejected Virginia's appeal.
00:35:15.480 And so Attorney General Mayeris is now seeking an appeal to the United States Supreme Court.
00:35:22.160 And this is the, I think, if I understand, I've done my homework properly, this is the portion of the circuit that Chief Justice John Roberts oversees.
00:35:30.940 So we'll be waiting to hear if they decide to take the course, the case, rather.
00:35:36.120 Erin, can you help break this down for me?
00:35:38.080 Because I would have thought this was an open and shut case.
00:35:40.580 Non-citizens aren't allowed to vote in elections, right? 1.00
00:35:44.280 What is the legal argument that the Democrats are using here?
00:35:49.340 How does this thing still have legs? 0.84
00:35:51.860 It all comes down to a read of the National Voter Registration Act, so-called Motor Voter, which allows people to register to vote at the Department of Motor Vehicles when they're transacting to get a driver's license.
00:36:06.320 Non-citizens are awarded driver's licenses through the DMV, but they have to submit legal presence codes to attest whether or not they're a citizen.
00:36:15.440 Because if you're not a citizen, you get a different kind of license.
00:36:18.760 You get, like, a limited duration license.
00:36:20.800 You might be a student here on a student visa, but you're not a citizen.
00:36:24.040 So the Department, the DMV sends those codes to the, excuse me, the Department of Elections.
00:36:29.800 They do a match to find out whether declared non-citizens through the DMV are on their rolls.
00:36:35.940 They send a notice to the declared non-citizens saying,
00:36:39.000 you declared non-citizen, could you please attest under penalty of perjury and possible deportation, whether you're a citizen or not.
00:36:46.080 They said no.
00:36:47.180 This is what Governor Youngkin was talking about over the weekend on his social media feed, saying they've already attested, they've submitted paperwork, they're not citizens.
00:36:56.360 But it's a read of the NVRA, the Motor Voter, that uses this term quiet period, the 90-day quiet period, 90 days prior to an election that says,
00:37:05.680 you can't do anything to your voter rolls.
00:37:08.720 And what this, what the read is all about, though, what that portion of the law addresses,
00:37:13.200 are people who were registered already, registered voters who have eligibility to be registered in the first place.
00:37:19.460 So non-citizens do not have eligibility to be on the rolls in the first place. 0.99
00:37:24.240 And that's where the fight is coming down to, because it's just a straight read of the NVRA,
00:37:30.520 that if you're a non-citizen, you really have no eligibility to be on the roll in the first place.
00:37:35.940 If you're somebody who's lived here in Virginia, for example, for five years,
00:37:39.960 and you moved about three weeks ago, and you haven't re-established your residency somewhere else,
00:37:46.260 that kind of gray area is what this quiet period is all about.
00:37:50.320 So that's kind of a rundown of where we are in this legal battle.
00:37:54.080 Aaron, just to give the Democrats here the benefit of the doubt, only on this issue,
00:38:01.340 only on the 90-day grace period, there is a certain reasonableness about that.
00:38:06.960 This is, look, the 28th of October.
00:38:09.400 The election is next week.
00:38:11.000 People have been screaming, you know, the war has been on election integrity every day since 2020.
00:38:17.340 It is a bit, you know, there ought to be, there are questions, right?
00:38:20.860 Is this simply performative on behalf of the Republicans going through the motions now
00:38:26.120 with last-minute appeals on Sunday, right?
00:38:30.840 They've had four years to sort this out.
00:38:33.660 They have, and we've documented, as we've been able to tell your audience and the posse before Ben,
00:38:42.680 EPIC, Electoral Process Education Corporation, has, we've qualified to look at the voter rolls.
00:38:47.840 We have documented evidence of non-citizens who leave a voting history before they're taken off the rolls,
00:38:54.220 before they attest, yes, I'm a non-citizen, or where they certify they are not a citizen.
00:39:00.340 They're declared non-citizens taken off the rolls and have a voting history and have cast,
00:39:05.080 even in the past 18 months, we have found over 1,000 ballots that have been cast by non-citizens
00:39:10.600 before they were removed.
00:39:12.320 So this is a political fight.
00:39:14.200 It's about, you know, a status quo and soft spots in the system of voting that exist.
00:39:21.120 And there's agreement that non-citizens are going on to the voter rolls through the automatic
00:39:26.520 registration process at DMV.
00:39:29.480 And the Department of Elections in Virginia has been following a state law for 18 years
00:39:34.740 to send a notice to the non-citizens who told the DMV, yep, I'm a non-citizen, and then asking
00:39:42.660 them to sign paperwork and attest.
00:39:44.300 So those are the citizens that we know about because they said they were non-citizens.
00:39:49.080 The Fourth Circuit is saying, well, we don't believe you, basically.
00:39:51.780 I mean, it's kind of, I'm reading the ruling in Fourth Circuit.
00:39:55.300 It says, well, you haven't put out any evidence that they're non-citizens, and they just might 1.00
00:39:59.320 be citizens.
00:40:00.560 And that's not true.
00:40:01.520 So they've all attested that they're non-citizens.
00:40:04.000 So this is probably a little forum shopping from the political aspect of using the Fourth
00:40:09.680 Circuit, using a judge who is, or going to a judge who's a Biden appointee, and then going
00:40:14.840 to a Fourth Circuit that is very, that leans very left in their ruling.
00:40:19.780 So that's the path to the Supreme Court.
00:40:22.340 And we'll see if the High Court accepts the emergency appeal.
00:40:26.480 Aaron, just one minute before the break, and then we need to close this.
00:40:33.360 But I can't express, because I know, I read every comment posted on Getter.
00:40:38.080 I know the seething anger that exists out there in MAGA, in the movement generally, in the
00:40:44.740 war room policy.
00:40:46.260 Can they expect lawsuits after this election to officials that allowed non-citizens to vote?
00:40:53.820 Will these people be held to account, or will we just get more performance?
00:40:59.900 There is a lot of anger, Ben, I can tell you.
00:41:02.240 I mean, this has really sent shockwaves through the early voting period.
00:41:06.000 We're about 30 days into the early voting period.
00:41:08.560 There's also a concept in federal law known as the Purcell Principle, where federal courts
00:41:13.460 are asked to not make rulings that can have an impact.
00:41:17.440 And already we're seeing about a 400 percent increase in just one week in so-called same-day
00:41:23.940 registrations.
00:41:25.560 So that's people who walk in, they're not registered, and they essentially can cast what's known as
00:41:30.160 a provisional ballot that's reviewed after the November 5th general election.
00:41:35.180 So there's a lot of frustration, a lot of anger, because when more than 1,000 non-citizens are
00:41:41.000 casting ballots before they fess up, essentially, and say, oh, yeah, I'm not a citizen, take me off
00:41:45.900 the rules, those are civil rights issues for American citizens whose own ballots are being
00:41:51.260 effectively canceled out by people who had no eligibility to be on the roll in the first place.
00:41:57.060 And so Virginia's attorney general has been given a lot of criminal referrals about this.
00:42:03.020 And we have Virginia counties that are now referring for criminal investigation for this.
00:42:09.880 Stand by, we're back in two minutes.
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00:44:22.160 Welcome back. Aaron, would you quickly give your media, your social media contact? Where can people
00:44:36.280 go to get hold of you and support the great work that you're doing?
00:44:41.580 Thank you for having us on. It's always a pleasure. Exciting times these days to follow.
00:44:46.260 You can find out about Epic's work at epic.substack.com. We have a free newsletter.
00:44:51.560 We're publishing a lot more during this early voting period to really do an analysis and help
00:44:56.140 people understand the voting process and whatever anomalies we see. But also, you know, the good stuff,
00:45:01.280 too, because there's a lot of counties that are doing really good work and they deserve to be
00:45:05.200 called out for the good work they're doing to improve their process. Epic.substack.com.
00:45:10.940 You can find out about what we do, Epic, the nonprofit, at epicepec.info. And also read our
00:45:17.760 executive director, John LaRose, a very deeply analytical blog about all things election integrity
00:45:23.820 at digitalpolwatchers.org. And thanks again.
00:45:27.180 I mean, I just want to flag up for the war in posse. You said just before the break that a
00:45:31.860 thousand non-citizens had voted and you had this evidence. I repeat, the war in posse is so angry
00:45:38.420 on this. They want to see litigation. They want to see lawsuits. They want to see the people
00:45:43.800 responsible for ensuring non-citizens aren't voting. They want to see some action here. They want to, 0.54
00:45:50.780 you know, they're very angry.
00:45:53.140 It's a class six felony. To vote illegally in Virginia, in most states, it's a class six felony.
00:45:59.820 We have a lot of liberal Commonwealth attorneys, otherwise known as DAs in Virginia, who just do
00:46:05.260 not investigate these crimes. But the attorney general, Jason Mayares, is aware of a lot of
00:46:11.340 criminal referrals. We're aware that investigations are underway. But I think, Ben, what you're suggesting
00:46:16.780 is a class action type of a lawsuit where non-citizens are saying, are being allowed to cast a ballot.
00:46:22.880 Now we have said citizens need to be engaged in this process, and the left is berserk about that.
00:46:29.680 They call us a threat to democracy. It's a federal statute that poll observers must be protected.
00:46:35.860 It's state law. I mean, there's a reason why. It's because we should have transparency
00:46:41.260 in the election process. The only thing that should be a secret in the election process is who somebody
00:46:47.560 votes for. Everything else should be open for public inspection and review. And the left really hates
00:46:53.480 that. The New York Times hates that. You know, they talk about our subversive materials and how
00:46:58.980 they've gotten their hands on them. They're on our website, The Citizen's Guide to Building an Election
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00:47:27.880 Peter, I guess the reason they're pushing this article now out is that they know how effective
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00:47:39.920 is them pushing out this stuff to scare their own leadership. We will get this article out
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00:48:09.340 Well, I think the best place is on my Twitter account, my ex-account, at Clita Mitchell.
00:48:14.900 You can also go to – we have two websites. One, I really want people to go to www.votefair2024.com.
00:48:25.200 That's votefair2024.com. Look at the ballot issues. We have a map. Look at your state.
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00:49:20.740 Cleetha Mitchell, thanks very much. You had two points, right?
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00:49:28.040 I thought you had two points. That's fine. Okay. Thanks for coming on the show. We'll
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