On this episode of War Room, host Stephen K. Brodsky sits down with Tucker Carlson to discuss the latest in the ongoing saga of the Trump 2020 campaign and what it means for the future of the country.
00:01:13.000And I just want to say directly to you what I've said to everyone you and I are friends with in common, which is that your courage right before you went into prison was one of the most amazing and inspiring things I've ever seen.
00:01:26.000You were you were you behave like the man I want to be on your way into prison unfairly on fake charges.
00:01:55.000And what I'm really struck by is how virtually every Trump voter I talked to and maybe even some on the fence voters says basically the same thing.
00:02:04.000You know, it's just a question of how much the Democratic Party cheats in this election, which is another way of saying the whole country seems to have accepted the reality that, you know, one of the two big political parties doesn't believe in democracy is willing to cheat and ignore the will of the population of the citizenry.
00:02:34.000And the last thing I would say is as someone who spent, you know, I don't know, something like 15 hours in depositions imposed on me by voting machine companies.
00:02:43.000And I was never named in any suit by a voting machine company, but they went out of their way to harass me, I think funded by Reid Hoffman, stole my text messages, leaked into the New York Times.
00:02:54.000But, you know, for the last year and a half, the whole, you know, conservative media has been cowed into ignoring what's really obvious, which is we should not have electronic voting machines.
00:03:05.000They're they're not better at counting and they don't produce the result faster.
00:03:09.000The only reason to have electronic voting machines is if, you know, you want to subvert them.
00:03:13.000It's insane that we have them and no one feels free to say that.
00:03:16.000So I just want to I want to I think I've been proven right on this.
00:03:19.000And we have every reason to be suspicious of electronic voting machines.
00:03:22.000I don't want anyone to tell you otherwise.
00:03:27.000What in seeing the opposition that we have here, it's deeper than just a political party and it's deeper even then.
00:03:35.000And you you've come out of and know the media as well as anybody we have.
00:03:39.000There's this apparatus that used to be called the military industrial complex.
00:03:43.000But now it's the intelligence community, it's the tech community and it's the legal apparatus that has gotten into a formidable beyond an administrative state and something that, you know, people call the deep state.
00:03:57.000What is going to have the victory that we have here is a populist uprising and really grassroots because Trump didn't have a lot of support at the beginning of this of this of this part of the journey.
00:04:08.000How do we confront that? Because that's what's going to be quite evident, I think, starting in the next couple of days.
00:04:14.000And because, Tucker, you know this, they're just not going to sit there and pat us on the head and say, hey, this is great.
00:04:20.000You know, you guys turned out more voters in North Carolina and Arizona and Wisconsin.
00:04:26.000And isn't it lovely, you know, that Tucker and Elon and Tulsi Gabbard and RFK and all these new people who come to this to this movement think they have ideas about the country.
00:04:37.000They're just not going to sit there and say, this is great.
00:04:45.000I mean, there are three components to the coalition that Trump is facing off against and all three of them see their very existence threatened by his candidacy.
00:04:54.000The first is, you know, the actual deep state, the bureaucracies that control our country and have since at least November of 1963.
00:05:04.000And they're utterly vested in the current system and they fear above all disclosure.
00:05:12.000In other words, they've committed a lot of crimes.
00:05:14.000We have the outline of some of those crimes beginning with the murder of the president 60 years ago, but a lot subsequent to that.
00:05:21.000And, you know, where did all the Ukraine money go?
00:05:39.000And there are businesses, particularly in the finance sector, that are totally dependent on this system in order to get rich.
00:05:48.000I mean, if you're Larry Fink or anybody in Larry Fink's category, you know, you can't continue to make billions of dollars without the pension funds who are all public employee pension funds are all part of the system.
00:06:00.000And so you're really vested in this for financial reasons.
00:06:03.000And the third and most obvious part of this coalition is an entire social class, upper middle class, mostly white urban people who have jobs that are basically going away because they're not necessary.
00:06:18.000This would be the entire NGO sector, the education sector, all the soft jobs, the marketing jobs that that our economy doesn't actually need that are, in fact, to drain on the economy.
00:06:35.000They basically just leech off the system already in place.
00:06:38.000And these people, most of whom I don't think understand this consciously, but they know it on a gut level, these people are really threatened by any change.
00:06:45.000And by the way, change is coming in the form of A.I.
00:06:47.000Anyway, all these people are going to be out of work.
00:06:49.000They will never make it into the class they aspire to join, which is the ruling class ever.
00:06:54.000But in all the – you drive through the suburbs of our cities, Washington most famously, but also New York and Philadelphia and any city on the eastern seaboard or on the west coast, and you see clusters of Kamala Harris signs.
00:07:42.000No, they'll make up some justification for it.
00:07:43.000But what's really happening is their world is collapsing, and they know it's collapsing, and they're panicked.
00:07:49.000And very few of them are thoughtful enough or altruistic enough to put aside that fact, which is to say their future, and try to make the country better.
00:07:59.000So really it's everybody with power against Trump and Elon.
00:08:08.000The historical event in closing the win, right?
00:08:13.000Because remember, go back to 16, where it was immediately the nullification project of Russian interference, all of that.
00:08:19.000When you have those forces of the established order aligned against you, and this is obviously, I think, going to take us a while to work through on the voting, all that, what would be your recommendation to President Trump?
00:08:33.000Because you have to be maniacally focused.
00:08:35.000This is where you can't just be thrown outside.
00:08:37.000You have to be maniacally focused of how you close this victory and then rapidly, because you're not going to have unlimited amount of time.
00:08:46.000You're going to have some limited amount of time to start to make some pretty fundamental changes.
00:08:50.000What is Tucker Carlson's recommendation?
00:08:53.000Well, I mean, it's enormously complicated.
00:08:56.000In other words, what does Wednesday look like and Thursday, Friday, Saturday for the next two months until Inauguration Day?
00:11:07.000You've been very hesitant in the past.
00:11:10.000And to talk about your spiritual journey or to talk, you know, to get off topics of politics and culture and power and media.
00:11:18.000But I was fascinated about this revelation of this event that happened in your life.
00:11:22.000Do you think that there are deeper forces at play here?
00:11:26.000Is this more than just Steve Bannon and Tucker Carlson and Elon Musk and a bunch of guys running around talking about in this material world, you know, politics and being Democrats and taking on the intelligence, legal, financial apparatus?
00:11:43.000Is there something deeper going on here?
00:11:46.000Well, Breitbart, who I was thinking about yesterday, what a good man who's been gone for, gosh, 12 years anyway, I think, used to say famously say that politics is downstream from culture.
00:11:59.000Culture is downstream from the spiritual battle.
00:12:01.000So not only is the is this the battle in the unseen world, not only is it part of what we're seeing, it is it is actually what we're seeing.
00:12:07.000We're seeing the physical manifestations of something that's been going on for eternity as for why I don't talk about that stuff.
00:12:14.000I mean, on the one hand, I'm a wasp sort of trained not to talk about that kind of stuff.
00:12:19.000And no, I'm just true. It's a cultural thing.
00:12:21.000It is don't talk about money or religion in public ever.
00:12:25.000It's hard for me to talk about it with my wife.
00:12:27.000And for another, I never want to hold myself out as some paragon of virtue because I'm very non virtuous and I've let a really pretty spotted.
00:12:34.000I have a pretty spotted record, I would say. So I don't I don't want to be I don't want to discredit in any way the faith that I have.
00:12:40.000But I will say, yes, I have experienced that personally.
00:12:43.000That sort of popped out in a conversation I was having with an old friend of mine called Scooter Downey and it wound up on camera.
00:12:49.000I was a little bit shocked to see it. But, yeah, no, I was on February 20th, 2023.
00:12:54.000I was attacked in my bed by a spiritual being and clawed and left bleeding and scarred.
00:13:01.000And do I understand what happened? No, of course I don't. I don't really understand anything.
00:13:05.000But that did happen to me. I don't care if people believe me or not.
00:13:08.000It did. And I think it was just a just a momentary glimpse of something that's happening at all times, which is, again, this war between forces that we can't see.
00:13:21.000But that has been ongoing and has been, in fact, described by every culture since the beginning.
00:13:25.000Every culture that we know about has described this battle.
00:13:28.000And in fact, it's been the basis of every religion.
00:13:30.000It's certainly the basis of Christianity, which I think is true, by the way, factually speaking, that Christianity is true.
00:13:35.000But even if you don't, I think you can acknowledge that we're the only culture that hasn't been really absorbed in thinking and talking about this.
00:13:41.000Not since we dropped the atomic bomb in Nagasaki, the second one in August of 1945, and decided that we were gods and the god himself no longer existed.
00:13:50.000Since then, we have been a secular society, and that's why we're now being destroyed, in my view.
00:13:54.000But even if you don't buy any of that, you have to acknowledge that we're living in an anomalous time.
00:14:00.000This is the only period, these 80 years, where people haven't been daily discussing the spiritual battle around them.
00:14:08.000And in fact, the remote ones still do.
00:14:09.000And they're all right, and we're wrong.
00:14:11.000And the big change in the moment that we're living in is people are awakening to this fact that we've been on this vacation from reality, a vacation from spiritual reality.
00:14:20.000And, of course, it's not just a part of what we're seeing.
00:14:29.000I have been evil many times in my life and, unfortunately, will be again.
00:14:32.000So I'm not, again, I just want to be really clear that I'm not sort of holding myself up as like, you know, as a great person or a perfect Christian or anything like that.
00:14:44.000But this exists quite apart from me or my behavior.
00:15:03.000And that is exactly what they're doing, as every culture before us has.
00:15:06.000But to see the Treasury secretary that dwarf Janet Yellen get up and say, you know, you can do your part to help the American economy by killing your child.
00:15:14.000That's no different than the Canaanites, actually.
00:15:17.000So if people who don't see that clearly, that's exactly what it is.
00:15:21.000Worshipping abortion, the killing of kids, not as something that needs to happen, unfortunately, but as something that is good.
00:15:41.000You can't kill children on purpose, knowing that you're doing that in exchange for power, freedom or happiness, whatever you think you're getting in return.
00:15:48.000You can't participate in human sacrifice without consequences.
00:16:46.000How's it informing you as one of the most significant figures, public intellectuals on the world stage?
00:16:55.000Well, I mean, I I think it's just reminded me of what I don't understand, which is always a good starting place to wisdom.
00:17:03.000I mean, if you seek to be wise, not just informed, which is simple, but to be wise, to make sense of the facts that you've accumulated, which is is the goal of adulthood.
00:17:12.000Um, then you really have to begin with a profound understanding of your own ignorance, lack of foresight with your own with your own lack of wisdom.
00:17:21.000The root of wisdom is knowing how unwise you are, I guess, is another way of putting it.
00:17:24.000And this has just reminded me of that.
00:17:45.000And human disasters always begin in the same place, which is in hubris, which is in the false certainty that you know what's going to happen.
00:17:52.000You know, the consequences of something, you know what the future will be.
00:17:55.000Um, and you know that your God basically is what you're saying.
00:17:59.000And this is just another reminder to me that I'm not.
00:18:01.000So that's I'm really grateful for that.
00:18:02.000Second, I would say it's an it's another reminder of what the goal is.
00:18:08.000The goal is and the goal is to get right with eternity.
00:18:12.000The goal is not just to win an election and elections do come and go.
00:18:15.000I think this is the most significant in the history of the United States.
00:18:19.000The crimes being committed against the country are more profound than at any time.
00:18:23.000The open border invasion is a larger crime that's been committed to get committed against than Imperial Japan or Nazi Germany committed against the United States.
00:18:30.000It's the worst thing that's ever happened to the US.
00:18:33.000But it's still nothing compared to, I don't know, the end of history or eternity.
00:18:39.000And so it's just important to keep your eyes on the bigger on the bigger prize on the only prize that matters.
00:18:46.000The only question that matters is what happens when you die.
00:18:48.000And it's crazy to me that I haven't spent every day for the last 55 years meditating on that, that I grew up in a culture that actively suppressed questions like that, that didn't want to talk about death, that considered any conversation about what happens when you die offensive or out of bounds.
00:19:03.000I can't believe I grew up in a place like that because it's so dumb.
00:19:44.000I wouldn't, I wouldn't change it if I could.
00:19:48.000You says that we'll go back to the, about the dropping of the atomic bomb and the beginning of secular society.
00:19:54.000You might, my dad and your, the greatest generation fought on the battlefields of, of that conflict.
00:20:02.000And, and we're the, one of the driving forces with obviously the Russian people and the Chinese people to deliver us from that time from Imperial Japan and fascist rule in Europe.
00:20:12.000But at the same time Oppenheimer, and this is what's so chilling when you say that secular, he used, I think it was the Hindu god Vishnu.
00:20:19.000They called the, they called the project, the Trinity project, right?
00:20:23.000And at the very test there in New Mexico, he quoted what the, the, the god Vishnu about now, you know, we have, I'm, I'm the destroyer of worlds, right?
00:20:36.000Don't you find that chilling or is that tied to your, since that time, it's been all, we've now dropped the spiritual, which even Oppenheimer realized in the greatest generation, we kind of went to what is a totally materialistic secular society that leads America to this place in 2024.
00:20:52.0002024 and the, the, the instrument of its turnaround or its rejuvenation is a guy like Donald Trump.
00:21:01.840Well, we didn't drop the spiritual, we just embraced, you know, another element of it.
00:21:06.720I mean, if you're quoting a pagan god as you're incinerating civilians with a nuclear weapon, I mean, I think it's pretty clear that that was the pivot point in America's history.
00:21:15.360And it's, it's just so interesting how resistant a lot of people who I consider friends who I agree with on most things are to acknowledging that, you know, that call you a pro Hitler, you're a Holocaust denier.
00:21:26.080If you question the nuclear weapons or, or whatever, I don't care.
00:21:29.980Of course, I'm, I'm none of those things.
00:21:31.440I, uh, it goes without saying, or it should, um, no, I'm just noting the obvious, which is that American society changed profoundly in August of 1945.
00:22:10.280And that anyone who claims otherwise is either ignorant or doing the bidding of the forces that created nuclear technology in the first place, which are not human forces, obviously.
00:22:18.820And let me just ask you this, which I've asked a million people at dinner parties, but never in public.
00:22:22.880What was the moment we can point to that nuclear technology was invented?
00:22:27.140You know, we can, we can point to Isaac Newton and say, well, an apple fell on his head, or we can, you know, we can point to Albert Hoffman in his lab messing around with the, you know, ergot bacteria.
00:24:32.580I'm a citizen in my name and with my money.
00:24:35.320Why wouldn't I in a much more profound and emotional way that I, than I do when I say, look at the CCP's treatment of the Uyghurs, which is clearly bad.
00:24:43.980I'm not, would never defend it, but I don't feel as emotional about it because it's not my country.
00:24:47.100It's not being done in my name with my money.
00:41:02.540And he's been attracting people that heretofore would not identify as Republicans, right?
00:41:11.500And people from every stage of life, every walk of life.
00:41:14.160This is my point about what I saw in Danbury, which I told you about the first step back and what President Trump had done in prison reform.
00:41:21.600And that African-American men and Hispanic men are just not going to vote for her.
00:41:24.740I'm not so sure majority of them are prepared to vote for President Trump yet, although many in the community, in those communities, admire President Trump and like his style.
00:41:37.300But we can do this in stages, and particularly we can do it in the stage of, hey, if you don't vote for it, and this is what's killing them in Pennsylvania right now.
00:41:49.180Look at those numbers coming out of Philadelphia.
00:41:50.440In 16, always remember the way we won in the blue wall, which Morning Joe, every day was these guys don't know what they're talking about.
00:42:24.520She came out of Philadelphia way beneath where they thought they were going to be, and she never made it up, and we won by 42,000 votes.
00:42:34.140You're seeing something here that's even deeper eight years into this, nine years into this, right?
00:42:39.280You're seeing something here more profound.
00:42:40.960And that is you're seeing the beginning of a new populist nationalist coalition that puts not simply the country first but also wants to put the American citizens first.
00:42:55.460The American citizens deserve a better deal than anybody.
00:44:29.460Also, we just added $100 billion into the debt on Friday.
00:44:34.140This is not a ticking time bomb anymore.
00:44:36.160This is what's driving inflation, the refinancing of that $36, $37 trillion, short term, one third of it.
00:44:42.820It's what's embedding inflation into it.
00:44:46.120We can't, you have to have that discussion now.
00:44:47.740You have to come up with a real program.
00:44:49.080Now, geopolitically, the massive issues of geopolitics, the massive issues of capital markets, and actually how this whole thing's pulled together.
00:44:58.340I call it the long con, because it has been a long con.
00:45:03.140Artificial intelligence, the singularity, the driving convergence of forces of biotechnology and advanced technology and artificial intelligence.
00:45:19.080And that's why you see this collection of people.
00:45:20.760Look, Elon Musk, you know, Elon Musk and I disagree on everything on Earth, except that President Trump's got to be president of the United States.
00:46:05.380Shortly after the government pushed through the Patriot Act.
00:46:07.880This gave the government power to spy on innocent Americans by monitoring our phone and email and tracking our movement across the Internet.
00:46:16.740Now, Jim Rickards, editor of the independent financial newsletter Strategic Intelligence and New York Times bestselling author, is warning about a coming event that could elevate this governmental surveillance to a terrifying new level.
00:46:29.960In fact, some of the guests I've had on the war room believe that the government will soon expand their powers to track our every move.
00:46:37.340If we say the wrong things on social media, donate to the wrong causes, buy firearms, or even vote MAGA, the government may be able to shut us out of our bank accounts.
00:46:48.380I can't say for sure if this will happen, but it's an interesting and dire warning.
00:46:53.900Fortunately, Jim Rickards, an American patriot and friend of mine, has made it his mission to educate us on what he believes is coming and how to protect yourself from the possibility of programmable money.
00:47:06.220Watch Jim's warning video now before it's censored like I've been in the past.
00:47:23.480A lot of what we're talking about, particularly on debt, we haven't discussed that a lot, in particular since I got back, because we're in the middle of a political war right here, as you know.
00:47:34.040We've got the armies lined up, and tomorrow is mass mobilization.
00:47:37.680Tuesday for the vote, but we'll get back to that.
00:47:40.380I've got all kind of stuff that's happening there.
00:48:16.720We have to get the rest of the vote out now in Georgia.
00:48:19.940But as far as election integrity, we have great people who are on election boards in the metro Atlanta counties and in our state election board.
00:48:29.200We've got poll watchers in place, and Trump's legal team and the Republican Party chairman, Josh McCune,
00:48:35.320are taking rapid and quick action when needed, like they had to do over this weekend.
00:48:40.740And they will continue to do that as problems arise.
00:48:44.180People are on the ground and activated, even in North Carolina, where there's been a hurricane.
00:48:57.540We have to make sure that we get out the rest of the vote.
00:49:01.400You hear President Trump and J.D. Vance and Elon Musk and you and all of us saying, talk to your friends and family and get them to vote.
00:49:08.180Well, our app with Tea Party Patriot Citizens Fund, if you go to winelections.com, winelections.com, we will match up your contacts with the leaning Republicans who have not yet voted in swing states.
00:49:24.560And then you know who you need to talk to to chase those ballots and make sure they vote.
00:49:28.720You can text them today, then text them tomorrow morning and text them tomorrow afternoon and make sure they vote.
00:49:33.980So, Steve, if it is as close as it officially was in 2020, every single vote matters, and we've got to make sure they turn out and vote.
00:49:45.280What's your – we'll have you back on, if not to deceive me, we'll have you back on tomorrow during the day.
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