Stephen K. Bannon and Jim Rifkin join host Jake Tapper in the War Room to discuss the Democratic Party's stunning loss to Donald Trump in Tuesday's midterms, and what it means for the 2020 Democratic primary race.
00:06:11.000That was the hand of God that gave us the opportunity, the inflection point, for you to use your agency three months later, four months later, and deliver this stunning victory.
00:06:28.000The same divine providence to put me in a prison, right?
00:07:52.000We are a red country with blue cities and university towns.
00:08:00.000We've made inroads into both of those.
00:08:05.000We held and added a little bit to the suburban and ex-suburban and the rural, and the rural stood up like nobody's business.
00:08:13.000But we've made meaningful and significant inroads to the university towns with young people, particularly men, young men, and into the blue cities.
00:08:23.000We're now in New York City, the South Bronx, Trump.
00:08:29.000We have in front of us a duty and an obligation to the country, to the citizens, and to Trump to make this work.
00:08:43.000Two things that we need to do, I think, immediately is, number one, with everything that's happening on transition, and I'll get into this in a second, is that I think if you ask President Trump right now on his transition, what he would tell you the one thing he wants is for people to get along.
00:09:09.000And for people to figure out how to make it work.
00:09:14.000You're not going to have all MAGA in the White House.
00:09:18.000You're not going to have all MAGA in these cabinet positions.
00:09:29.000What President Trump, I think, wants, and I think you can see how tired he is tired.
00:09:35.000He's tired because, look, he put the whole thing on his shoulders for months and months, but for years back from 2021.
00:09:43.000You know that you've been here from the beginning.
00:09:45.000But in the last year, and particularly the last six months, it's almost superhuman what he did.
00:09:54.000He put the whole thing on his shoulders and every day delivered.
00:10:00.000He deserves people to try to make this work and to try to get along.
00:10:09.000There's obviously some things we have to fight and we have to make sure that we have his back in this fight, like against the lobbyists in the swamp that clearly wants to come and just take over right now.
00:10:22.000The other thing that we have to do is outside – I had an opportunity to talk to the Freedom Caucus in their conference last night.
00:10:27.000Dave Brett went over with me and Natalie and some of the producers because Congress – the House is going to be everything.
00:10:37.000The House is where the action is, and hey, this is kind of the way the framers set it up.
00:10:40.000They built it upon the House of Commons.
00:10:43.000The Senate was always supposed to be a more deliberative body, kind of adults in the room, but very removed from the day-to-day action.
00:10:51.000They wanted the action to be in the House.
00:10:55.000And what I would tell folks, particularly as we work through this program or what this program is going to be in the Trump's first hundred days or first six months, because that is about as much time as you're going to get.
00:11:11.000We have to say that we – they voted for Trump, but we got the benefits of Trump in the House and some of these Senate races.
00:11:26.000But what they're doing, particularly the black community, Hispanic community, where we got these pickups, young men who may have never been involved before, low-profensity voters, it's almost a cry for help.
00:11:39.000It's saying, hey, I can't stand and I can't take what the Biden-Harris ruling class is doing to the country and doing to me personally.
00:12:01.000I'm told every day that you're the worst people on earth.
00:12:04.000But I'll give you a shot because of Trump.
00:12:10.000In crafting this program that focuses on the economy and the sovereignty of the country, the immigration deportations, which are the first thing that have to happen, just drive this into the ground.
00:12:29.000Hakeem Jeffries could be, will be the Speaker of the House in two years.
00:12:40.000And the first thing he will do in the early days of 2027 is move to impeach Donald Trump.
00:13:12.000The Reid Hoffman is of the world going to put $10 billion in back of him to win a couple of seats, a handful of seats in places that are kind of democratic anyway.
00:13:25.000Everything we do, you have to understand, how do we deliver?
00:14:09.000In this country, it's come along through divine providence, a General Washington, a President Lincoln, a President Trump, a Reagan, an FDR, an Andrew Jackson.
00:17:15.000But the thing that is before us – and maybe we can do the cuts on deportation because I told you this was going to happen.
00:17:25.000Now on the left, it's the point of contact.
00:17:27.000The point of contact to stop us is on the mass deportation.
00:17:30.000So that's going to be the point of contact.
00:17:32.000And you've got Benzman and Oscar Blue saying, hey, they're going to get another 500,000 to a million in here before they get cut off.
00:17:41.000So the economy, the capital markets, the massive debts that were kind of stuck in the system and how do you actually unwind it, that they now get everybody on the government payroll, not just people – not just the people on the government payroll.
00:17:57.000But they've handed out so much stuff to kind of entrap the working class and the middle class.
00:18:47.000Productivity has been going down for 70 years.
00:18:49.000No human being, even President Trump, with all the great things he's going to do, he's going to turn that around and pay off $35 trillion in debt.
00:18:56.000And when you've got Warren Buffett going from—
00:22:14.000And a lot of this is mainstream media.
00:22:16.000And President Trump is going to come out now and explain the carnage due to the CIA and the FBI and Department of Homeland Security like we've been laying out on the war room.
00:24:28.000What President Trump is able to do when he does all the right things.
00:24:32.000Right. When he returns capital from China and puts that capital back in the hands of the American worker so they can make a wage again.
00:24:39.000When we deport the illegals and the criminals and get rid of the fentanyl and he goes down to the Mexicans and says you're cleaning up this border and all your drug cartels are going bye bye.
00:24:51.000He's going to do all the right things, even if he does all that, that we're the economic baseline is what it is, because we have had the worst economic policy for the past 20 years imaginable.
00:25:03.000And so that's the way I'm seeing it right now.
00:25:06.000And the American people, the good news, the hope is when you're raising your kids, your kids can still be utter success stories.
00:25:15.000Right. With God, with faith behind them, if they choose the right courses to study, they learn the right materials in college and university.
00:25:24.000I'm at Liberty University. I tried not to get too political prior, but proud to be there teaching the best young kids imaginable on the planet.
00:25:32.000There's hope because they can make it happen.
00:25:35.000And if they all do their part and study and work hard and have that work ethic, this country will return to its original status.
00:25:42.000And I'll just close on one footnote, which some people may not know.
00:25:47.000Back in 1776, when this country is going, economic growth had just started globally.
00:25:52.000Prior to 1700, everyone on the planet made about $1,000 a year.
00:25:57.000Everybody on the planet made $1,000 a year.
00:26:01.000Then modern economic growth started up in all Protestant countries under Adam Smith at first.
00:26:13.000But the shocker is, and Bradford DeLong backs this all up in high-end economic papers, the Judeo-Christian tradition is responsible for that economic growth.
00:26:23.000We just had two Nobel laureates win a Nobel Prize for this shocking conclusion.
00:26:55.000And then you get the – you get the Judeo-Christian West with science and then technology and then you get the steam engine and then you explode.
00:27:04.000That is what gave us all these opportunities, right?
00:29:28.000American voters actively chose him over her.
00:29:33.000Women all over this country know what it feels like to be the far more qualified woman who loses the job to mediocre or underqualified men.
00:30:16.000And even in a normal time, when an election goes sideways, it is tempting to feel kind of dumb for having ever believed that the change you dreamed of was possible at all.
00:30:27.000I mean, who were we to believe that America would ever elect a woman, let alone a black and Asian woman as its president?
00:30:34.000I mean, sure, Mexico just did it, but not us.
00:30:39.000Also, Latino men who, despite the utter disrespect shown by Trump and his promise to deport some of your mixed class, mixed status families, most of them voted in a 55 percent majority to make the deportations happen.
00:30:54.000Y'all voted with Stephen Miller and David Duke and against your own sisters and chose Kamala who chose Kamala Harris with 60 percent of their votes.
00:31:03.000So you own everything that happens to your mixed status families and to your wives, sisters and abuelas from here on in.
00:31:11.000However, we only have so much time for blame.
00:31:19.000And I have to say, you know, people are really terrified for my grandmother, who did not sleep on election night.
00:31:26.00087 year old naturalized American citizen from the Philippines and crying, calling me, asking me what was going to happen to students.
00:31:36.000I'm a trustee of the California State University system.
00:31:39.000Right. We have 10,000 estimated 10,000 undocumented students in our system to undocumented people that I've known now for the past 13 years of starting Define American.
00:32:07.000And I wanted to make sure I say that because I can only imagine how many teachers, employers, coworkers, neighbors who are neighbors to undocumented immigrants.
00:32:18.000Undocumented immigrants all across the country.
00:32:20.000Like what that conversation is like, how are you going to protect your people?
00:32:39.000And now the reality is our fate and our destiny is tied to what kind of risk American citizens from teachers to coworkers to employers to church people.
00:35:25.000Now, half of those contractors are the SEI guys, the guys, they clean the buildings, maintain the buildings, keep all this up and do other service related things.
00:35:34.000You know, essentially nine million, half of them are in some sort of contractual position.
00:35:40.000And I am told, let's say 4 million of those or 5 million are actually a kind of executive level.
00:35:50.000So this is all very, a little bit amorphous because they don't want you to actually know the number.
00:35:55.000So essentially, it kind of makes sense.
00:35:57.000So we have about 4 or 5 million employees, either military or civilian, right?
00:36:05.000And you have about another 4 or 5 million contractors.
00:36:08.000So let's say, and I'm just, these are round numbers.
00:36:11.000Let's say you have 8 to 10 million folks, billets that run what we call the government and every aspect of it.
00:36:20.000The current administration, whether it's Obama or whether it's Bush or whether it's Biden or Trump one or Trump two, you have 4,000 people.
00:36:34.000Now you've got committees and commissions, but basically 4,000 people, 3,000 of those do not have to be confirmed by the Senate.
00:36:43.000They literally are at the working level, that level beyond either cabinet secretaries or just below cabinet secretaries or the head of the bureau of prison, the deputy and just below that.
00:36:52.000These are the people that kind of, you come in and you manage part of that 8 or 10 million, right?
00:37:06.000The process of what we call transition and what's happening down there now.
00:37:10.000And hey, and some of the knife fights right behind the scenes are staffing out those 3,000 of which approximately, I don't know, a hundred.
00:37:41.000It gets 3,000, but it's basically a couple of hundred what we call White House staff.
00:37:45.000And you see chief of staff and the, and the major people up on the, and you have assistants to the president, which are a dozen that report or that senior level.
00:37:56.000I was senior counselor, chief strategist and assistant to the president.
00:38:03.000There are 12 of them that basically report directly to the president or through the chief of staff to the president or have what's called walk-in privileges that are directly to the president.
00:38:13.000So you got the White House staff and that's, that's the one he sees every day and works for him every day.
00:38:17.000Then you have the other branch of government.
00:38:19.000So you got another, you got basically 3,000 going day one.
00:38:21.000And those people can hit the deck plates running day one.
00:38:24.000They want part of project 2025 was, Hey, and these other groups out there was to get resumes and train people up and make sure we had networking going.
00:38:32.000And we're doing all this so that you hit unlike 16.
00:40:45.000I mean, I remember I got briefed by the NSC guys because just like as a naval officer, when you go to a destroyer in the middle of the night, you know, as a young kid, you basically get up out of your rack.
00:42:29.000But they actually recreated the entire scene on the bridge from the log.
00:42:35.000The point, before high noon on the 20th of January of 2025, when Donald Trump puts his hand on his family's King James Bible and raises the right one, a whole group of people will relieve the watch.
00:42:51.000And at one minute after that, it's Trump's and this is all being worked.
00:42:56.000And very few or none of the top guys will be confirmed because that's a whole nother process.
00:43:04.000So we're going to talk transition, what it means and how you can help the president of the United States or the president elected United States.
00:43:12.000I guess he's president. He's our president since 2020. Short break.
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00:44:51.000OK, so this is all about remember controlling the government or when you say control the government, Trump's just got four thousand people.
00:45:00.000This is why when you sit in the Oval Office and you make decisions, go through.
00:45:05.000Do you think that the apparatus is going to sit there and give you a cheery eye eye and go, OK, fine, I got it's going to.
00:45:11.000No, this is what we talk about. The administrative state is this massive bureaucracy that the founders and framers never envisioned.
00:45:19.000And that's what the Chevron exemption has done. So the courts have said, hey, guess what?
00:45:27.000Either the courts make these decisions or this is empowered Congress.
00:45:31.000And quite frankly, even the executive branch, the one if you want to cut the size of the Leviathan, Dave Brat, you got to you got to like take programs out.
00:45:44.000You got to deconstruct the administrative state.
00:45:46.000This is why Russ Vogt, the great Russ Vogt, to me, has got to be OMB.
00:45:51.000He was he was he was OMB. He was OMB, the second OMB under Trump.
00:45:56.000It did amazing. This is how good Russ Vogt was. He was Mulvaney's deputy.
00:47:04.000There may be a couple, three programs down there that you've got to tap along.
00:47:09.000But that is what the staff does and OMB does.
00:47:13.000That's what's helping working with the president every day, different alternatives and kind of managing the government.
00:47:17.000OMB, and I think you get X amount of political appointees, they have a vast – they have like a 3,000 – they have like a 3,000-person apparatus.
00:47:26.000So this is what's happening right now.
00:47:31.000What people are fighting for are two basic things right now.
00:47:36.000And when I say it's a knife fight, it's always kind of a knife fight, Biden and them have it because you have different philosophies, even on the winners.
00:47:43.000We are still a coalition of MAGA and hardcore MAGA and ultra MAGA, but you still have rhinos.
00:47:53.000And look, to be brutally frank about it, the people that wrote checks and particularly towards the end, hey, they all have economic interests in making sure that their needs are provided.
00:48:13.000What you have to do is pick inside the apparatus those nodes of real power, of which I'm not going to mention because we're going to lose some of these guys.
00:48:24.000But I think from President Trump's perspective, and here's a guy that's been through it for four frickin years.
00:48:30.000Think of the I tell people the tension.
00:48:33.000Like last time I gave that speech, that's a little 500 speech thing.
00:48:37.000But you get so jacked up on adrenaline.
00:48:39.000He's doing it for hours, four and five times a day at 78 years old.
00:50:21.000You know, we, we, we, we, hey, and I realized it happened during the show, but we came out for Susie Wiles and against McCarthy and Jeff Miller, the swamp.
00:51:42.000So doesn't President Trump rate kind of peace?
00:51:47.000So when you pull this whole thing together and then hit on the 20th with what Robert Bartley used to call muzzle velocity on any decision so that you can own it and force it out through an apparatus that's going to be your natural enemy.
00:52:01.000Because they realize we're not just, we're coming for the administrative state and the deep state.
00:52:06.000We're going to deconstruct the administrative state and root out, destroy root and branch the deep state.
00:52:19.000At the same time, you save the country financially and economically.
00:52:22.000Oh, by the way, deport 15 million, think about that for a second, 15 million illegal alien invaders welcomed in here by an American government.
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