Episode 4064： The Elite Should Be Panicked
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Matt Gaetz is a firebrand of firebrands. He is the firebrand who is going to hit the Department of Justice with a blow torch. And that blowtorch is a guy named Matt Gaetz. Here's how Steve Bannon reacted to the choice.
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days and weeks, Republicans are going to be asked to confirm appointees who don't agree
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with their ideological views or priorities and who all the Republicans know are not up
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Here's how Steve Bannon reacted to the choice of Matt Gaetz as AT.
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Matt Gaetz is the fiercest of the fierce warriors.
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He's going to hit the Department of Justice with a blowtorch.
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I could say a lot of things about Bannon, but at least he says it all out loud, right?
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Trump's picks are part of this project that Bannon has described for years now publicly
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as the destruction of the administrative state,
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the fulfillment of a vision Bannon has been fighting for for years.
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We're going to burn some of these institutions down to the ground because you know why?
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I think Bannon started with this effort, which, again, was always out in the open of destroying the administrative state.
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If I remember the reporting correctly, with a whiteboard in his West Wing office during the short time that he was in the administration.
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And it may have taken longer to arrive at this, but it seems very intentional that the cabinet picks from Trump are meant to divide newsrooms
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and send them chasing their tails to see if the ethics investigation into Gaetz is going to break or Tulsi Gabbard's comments that even Sean Hannity found offensive
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are going to get any reaction from the mighty Senate Republicans or if Peg says myriad scandals are going to.
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I mean, it seems that the sum of the reaction to those is intended to advance the broader project of Bannon's.
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I think that the first time that Steve Bannon ever said the phrase, and it actually is the deconstruction of the administrative state,
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which is the same thing as the destruction of it.
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But I think the first time he said it out loud to everybody in the world was in February of 2017 at CPAC,
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where he was the Trump forces were ascendant at that point.
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Steve was in the White House at that point, and he was, I think, interviewed on stage at CPAC by Reince Priebus,
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or at least was on stage with Reince Priebus, but I think it was Priebus talking to Bannon,
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and Bannon talked about the big priorities in the Trump term.
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He talked about nationalism in terms of foreign policy.
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He talked about nationalism in terms of economic policy.
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And then the third thing he talked about was this deconstruction of the administrative state.
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And, you know, it's a, the one thing you can, Steve is not only someone who's been saying this out loud forever,
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for, you know, through that entire, from the moment they walked in the doors there in January of 2017
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until now, when he was out, when Trump was out of office.
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He's also someone who's very, who is unlike Donald Trump, an extraordinarily well-read and sophisticated thinker.
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And when I say sophisticated, I don't want anybody to think that that means I think he's a good thing
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But, I mean, he is someone who has thought a lot about this stuff.
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And I think to your point, Nicole, I think there's a lot of things going on with these, with these.
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And that's the frame that you were just putting on it, which is to create chaos in terms of how we cover it.
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But it's also, really importantly, these are tests of the Republicans in the Senate.
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It is not a coincidence that Trump dropped the Matt Gaetz announcement to basically break up John Thune's welcome party,
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his victory party, as having won his majority leader on the Senate side, on the Republican Senate side.
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It was like dropping a turd in his punch bowl at his party, basically, and sort of saying,
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OK, this is the most unacceptable or among the most unacceptable people you could ever put in this job.
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And unlike their leadership vote, which is a secret vote, Trump did not want John Thune to be leader.
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He would rather have had Rick Scott or John Cornyn.
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So now every Republican senator is facing the same dynamic that they faced every other time in Trump's political history,
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which is do what I say or I will bring the wrath of MAGA down on you.
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And I think even in this negotiation, we're seeing go back and forth on the question of recess appointments.
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He is testing the Senate and he's trying to make it clear that either you will be my rubber stamp willingly
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or you will be my rubber stamp because I force you to be my rubber stamp.
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He's trying to take away advice and consent from the Senate effectively.
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And you saw John Thune last night with Brett Baier on Fox News and he said, well, I'd really rather do it the normal way.
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But the last words out of his mouth were nothing's off the table, meaning doing these things by recess appointment is on the table.
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And you can already see a very familiar dynamic where Donald Trump may end up incredibly, I mean, just mind bogglingly.
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He might not be getting his way on these nominees.
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Hegseth, Tulsi Gabbard, even RFK Jr. to run these departments.
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These complaints and these concerns that we are airing right now are actually there's a catch 22 here.
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They are fueling Trump world to double down on these nominees because what they what we see as legitimate concerns about the lack of experience,
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about the capacity to handle the jobs they look at as virtues.
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They want these people to not just disrupt government, but to totally upend the agencies they're supposed to be running.
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And that complemented with whatever Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy are doing at their doji department is going to likely end up being a massive,
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massive revamping of the government and shuttering of even whole agencies within departments.
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And so I think we're sort of underselling the radical transformation that might be coming.
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Again, you go back to what Steve Bannon said back in 2016, said, I'm a Leninist.
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But again, because so many of these selections forget about what Democrats are saying, forget about what the media is saying.
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Just look at what Rupert Murdoch's newspapers are saying.
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I mean, we've talked about the Wall Street Journal editorial page being very critical of several of these selections that we're talking about.
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But even the New York Post had an editorial that, of course, the show talked about on Friday that called RFK Jr.
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I basically a nut job that he had crazy ideas, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
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So forget it's like during the campaign to said, don't listen to what Kamala Harris is saying.
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Listen to what Donald Trump is saying and judge him by that.
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But here, I would just say, don't listen to what Democrats or the media is saying.
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If you want to hear critiques of, you know, some of these nominations, listen to what the New York Post is saying, what the Wall Street Journal editorial page is saying.
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Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people.
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Here's what I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.
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I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.
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And where do people like that go to share the big line?
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I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
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Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
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If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
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Natalie, thank you so much for sitting in for the first hour.
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I appreciate if you hang around just here momentarily as we get into it.
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I got Mike Davis, Darren Beattie, Jeff Clark's going to join us.
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As I said over the weekend of the speeches I gave at Mar-a-Lago on Friday morning or Friday
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afternoon and then back here in D.C. on Friday night, President Trump took a bullet to the
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head and then four months later won a landslide victory.
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Jeff Clark's going to join us with an amazing piece coming out of Center for Renewing America
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about the recess appointments and President Trump's ability to actually force the action
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It's obvious President Trump is not just getting disruptors.
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If you take the doge aspect of this, of rethinking the government and finding a trillion dollars
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led by Elon and Vivek, if you couple that with now a CR is going to get kicked in, so President
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Trump will get a chance to do this first budget.
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And if you look at the quality of people of Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and Hegseth at Defense,
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and particularly Matt Gaetz, the Matt Gaetz at Justice, because that's the key one, you see
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that people are serious about basically taking this government apart and getting it back to
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a limited government with maximum liberty for her citizens.
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Now we have a huge piece up at revolver.news, which is the definitive piece, not only on why
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Matt Gaetz is the sole individual to run the DOJ, but a list of very creative and very impactful
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So I encourage everyone, revolver.news, this is the definitive piece.
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Before we get into what Attorney General Gaetz will be able to do, just some of the things,
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First of all, we hear this term democracy from the people who have done nothing but subvert
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the democratic process and will of the people for basically since Trump entered the political
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If a man can run against the coordinated hostility of every single corrupt and powerful institution
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in the country, if he can sustain smears, if he can sustain an avalanche of politically
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motivated sham lawfare attacks, if he can get a bullet in the head and survive, and if
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he can deliver an historic victory, including the popular vote, and he's not able to appoint
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the people that he needs who have the requisite intelligence and courage to implement the mandate
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that the American people delivered, this is not a democracy.
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And I celebrate all of these appointments, but I really think, and I've always thought from
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the beginning, DOJ is the most important appointment.
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So the fact that he picked Matt Gaetz to be at the DOJ, that symbolically sets the tone.
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It sets the narrative that contextualizes all of these other exceptional appointments.
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We've learned from the past, the presidency can only be as strong as the DOJ.
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What was the Achilles heel from the very beginning was an attorney general wasn't up to the task.
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Because you need, if anyone you need to be loyal and a fighter, you need that person running
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And so that's why it's so critical for Matt Gaetz.
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A democracy, I just want to go back, something I made in these speeches, the left, the controllers
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of the apparatus, the controllers of the system, the elite globalists, they put democracy on
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They force it, it was even higher than abortion.
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They put democracy on the ballot and the American people rendered a verdict.
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They said, we want Donald Trump's version of this.
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And Donald Trump's version of this is to get the state out of your grill, to deconstruct
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Like the Supreme Court has backed us up with the Chevron deference ruling that Judge Gorsuch
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Davis, everything has been going towards, just not Jeff Sessions, who was maybe not the
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But there's a different mindset here about what the Justice Department can do and the
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Give me your summary and I'm going to bring you back at the top of the next block, sir.
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Matt Gaetz is exactly the type of a bold, fearless reformer we need in the Justice Department.
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Matt Gaetz has demonstrated that he's willing to take on sacred cows.
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He was the tip of the spear in the House of Representatives on bipartisan antitrust reforms
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to take on Google, Amazon, Facebook, and Apple.
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He also took on the Republican establishment, including Speaker Kevin McCarthy.
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And so you have Republicans in D.C. hate him as well.
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So that makes me think he is the best pick for President Trump.
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We're going to be joined with a brilliant paper written about these recess appointments.
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The one and only Jeff Clark, also Jim Rickards, is going to join us.
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I'm going to get Philip Patrick on, I think, in the next couple of days.
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No head of the National Economic Council picked.
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President Trump is going through and thinking through, not his plan.
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He's thinking through, you know, the team like he's got a justice.
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The justice team will have Mike Davis coming and comment, you know, the lawyers of justice
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who are crying and weeping as NBC News reports on election night are now all leaving in a flood.
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It's going to have to be, as you know, because Biden, hey, yesterday or over the weekend,
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it allowed Zelensky to start launching those long-range missiles or medium-range missiles,
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I guess they are, that we gave them into Russia.
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You know, World War III is not going to happen there, is it?
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Mike Davis, you did confirmations of the most important confirmations, even more important
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than cabinet positions, Supreme Court justices.
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So you're an expert in this, on the confirmation process.
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But you're also an expert at Article III and your time in town here.
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On MSNBC the other day, they actually referred to, I don't think they went as far as Clark.
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I think they went as far as you and pay a letter.
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Talk to me about the team that you see Gates pulling together over justice and some recommendations
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you've got, because we've got to keep all gas, no brake, all pedal to the metal, no brake
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I've spent, what, the last two years on your show trolling the left, that I'm going to
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be the acting attorney general and all the crazy stuff that I was saying.
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We've shifted the Overton window so much now that with Matt Gates as the pick, he's such
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a bold and fearless reformer that now MSNBC thinks Mike Davis is suddenly acceptable.
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That tells you we've got the right guy with Matt Gates.
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He's been in Washington long enough to know how the place works, but he is definitely
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He is despised by the swamp creatures in Washington because Matt Gates is bold.
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He took on the Republican establishment, including Kevin McCarthy.
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So there are a lot of dives out for Matt Gates, and that makes him an ideal pick to go into
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the Justice Department to bring serious reforms to the Justice Department.
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We need to end this weaponization of intel agencies and law enforcement, and that is going
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to require accountability, investigations, and if appropriate, prosecutions of this Democrat
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lawfare and election interference going back to Obama with Crossfire Hurricane and an ongoing
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criminal conspiracy with Hunter Biden's laptop and these four indictments and naming Trump
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as an unindicted co-conspirator in Arizona and the New York Attorney General's office's
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But OK, OK, here's here's you know, we've had Davis on here for two years now, going to
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And, you know, when they they always cut clips, they got Davis up here and myself and there's
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all these crazy people were yelling, screaming about investigations.
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NBC News reports this morning that Merrick Garland was stunned on election night and that
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senior Justice Department officials were weeping.
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If you go to Citizens Free Press right now in Kane, what does that tell you, Davis?
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That and they're all worried about going bankrupt, lawyering up, you know, like none of us had
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to pay millions of dollars of legal fees or some people like Rudy are actually going into
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What does it tell you when NBC News reports a well-reported, deeply sourced story that
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They should be crying because they have politicized and weaponized our justice systems at every
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They did this with the intel agencies with Crossfire Hurricane.
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And these people who participated in this unprecedented republic-ending lawfare on election
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interference against President Trump, his top aides like you, Steve Bannon, and Peter
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Navarro, who went to prison, his supporters on January 6th who were politically persecuted
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under the Supreme Court's Fisher decision, parents getting targeted by the Biden FBI for raising
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hell about gender chaos in schools and the resulting rapes in high school bathrooms.
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They sent pro-life Christians, including a 75-year-old Christian to prison under the FACE Act because
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of this corrupt civil rights division by the Biden-Harris Justice Department, Kristen Clark,
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who's corrupt, who perjured herself to get the job, right?
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There has to be accountability for what happens.
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They should lawyer up because nobody is above the law, as they always told us.
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And if they didn't commit a crime, they have no reason to be fearful.
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Because, of course, you don't prosecute for non-crimes, do you?
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So, Darren Beattie, the centrality of Gates and what Gates brings, because remember, we
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fought long-eyes with Matt Gates before taking down the Speaker of the House, winning in
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22, the midterms, where Gates was central to, getting the appropriations bill, all the
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Why is Matt Gates the key that picks a lot here?
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Of all these other great choices, why is he central?
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And why is it an imperative that we show strength by not having a recess appointment on him,
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but we actually get him passed by the United States Senate, sir?
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First of all, he has a demonstrated and unwavering loyalty, not only to Trump, but to the MAGA
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agenda that was just approved by an historic majority by the electorate.
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And like I alluded to earlier, we've seen in previous instances how a weak and disloyal
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Weak AGs have traditionally been the Achilles heel of the presidency as far as Trump.
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And so I think this is why part of the reason why Trump is, quote, all in on the Gates confirmation,
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because he understands how central it is, how indispensable it is to have someone who is loyal
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not only to him, but to the agenda that the American people resoundingly approved, how critical
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that is to getting the job done more generally.
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Because if you're bogged down in all of this nonsense like he was in the first term, that
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not only affects what's going on in the DOJ, that affects the bandwidth that you have to
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implement the agenda across the institutions of government.
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And also about Gates is, yes, he's a firebrand.
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This isn't just someone who's going to go in and break things willy nilly.
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But he also knows how to deal with the bureaucracy.
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And I think that's also what's going to make him tremendously effective.
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You know, in our piece at Revolver News, we had just a couple of creative things that
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if you have someone who's open to creative thinking, can absolutely do.
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You know, in the first term, there was a religious liberty task force in the DOJ.
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It's kind of a nerve center to deal with all of the censorship and First Amendment issues.
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And even if it comes out, as it has a bit in the Twitter files, that there have been people
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violating the law in terms of the First Amendment, you can go after them.
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Here's one of my favorite ideas, False Claims Act.
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It's a very little known act that dates back to the Civil War.
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But effectively, what it says is it gives any potential whistleblower standing to expose
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Now, this is traditionally used for health care, in the health care arena, in tax arena.
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But there's no reason this can't be extended, for instance, to say, if universities say they're
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not doing affirmative action, and they actually are, people can expose this and get a bounty.
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President Trump and Jeff Clark jump in at breaking.
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Trump has told Senate Majority Leader Thune that if Matt Gaetz is not confirmed by the
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Senate, he will appoint him using the Federal Vacancies Reform Act of 1998.
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Now, you just wrote a piece on the power of the executive branch on these resource appointments.
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Jeff Clark, Mike, if you and Darren can hang on for a second.
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Is that along the lines of where President Trump just tweeted this out, or is there something
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That's different from the recess appointment clause.
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So, President Trump has both tools in his quiver, Steve.
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He has the recess appointment power, which is a constitutional power.
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And then he has the Congress giving him power under the Federal Vacancies Reform Act, or what
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we call the FBRA, that allows putting in officials temporarily.
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And, you know, I'd actually written some internal papers and done a lot of research about the
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And the last thing I would say is that, you know, Darren Beatty got on talking about the
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That was the act that the Civil Division administered, which I had charge of during the Trump administration
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And also, the Civil Division has charge of defending FBRA challenges, and we faced a lot
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of them against Chad Wolf, especially at the Department of Homeland Security.
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So, this is a key tool that President Trump also has to fill out his cabinet and subcabinet.
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Does your paper, and we'll get it at it, does your paper and analysis say that basically
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President Trump can force the hands of both houses of Congress to basically put him into
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recess, and then he does his recess appointments?
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I just want to make sure that, Rachel, that Nicole Wallace's head blows up appropriately
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Are you saying that President Trump can actually force the houses into recess and do his appointments
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So, Steve, under the Constitution, if the two houses disagree about whether to adjourn or
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stay in session, then the president has the power to send them into recess, both houses,
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It hasn't been wielded in the past before, but the framers were keen on giving that power
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It's an analog of a power that existed at English law.
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Darren Beattie, the founder, editor, publisher of Revolver News.
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Mike Davis, the founder of Article 3, and the individual who got the Supreme Court justices,
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Kavanaugh and Gorsuch, confirmed with Don McGahn and Grassley's staff, all of it, a warrior.
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And Jeff Clark, who is a senior leader in the Justice Department under President Trump and
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Can President Trump force the hand of the legislative branch if needed?
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He just put a shot across the bow of John Thune in the Republican-controlled Senate, or the
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Our own Cash Patel, just named the director of the FBI.
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And President Trump, whether he's got to use the Appointments Act of 1998 or use for the
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first time in the history of forcing him into going to recess, President Trump's laid down.
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Matt Gates is going to be his attorney general.
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Gates at Main Justice, at DOJ, and Cash Patel at FBI, sir.
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Cash Patel is another grand slam pick by President Trump to lead the FBI, the most broken and corrupt
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Cash has serious legal credentials, serious national security credentials, and he will go
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in there and make the necessary reforms to fix the FBI that has been so badly politicized
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and weaponized against Trump, his top aides, his allies since at least Crossfire Hurricane,
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the biggest scandal in American history where the Obama-Biden administration weaponized the FBI and intel
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agencies to go after Trump on Crossfire Hurricane because Hillary had her illegal home server as Secretary of State
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hacked with our nation's most classified secrets and her foreign bribery schemes.
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And that's what this lawfare against Trump is all about.
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It's an ongoing criminal conspiracy starting under Crossfire Hurricane.
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He has the loyalty to go clean house at the FBI.
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I don't want to say it's because of his book and then the movie we did.
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I produced Government Gangsters, but we'll make sure we show that.
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You were the only professor at an Ivy League or Ivy League equivalent university that endorsed publicly
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Your reward for that was that you got thrown out and vilified and they tried to crush you.
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You've been in the trenches, fixed bayonets with us for many years.
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Your thoughts about the Cash Patel has now been nominated to be director of the FBI, sir.
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Again, he's somebody who has the intelligence and the capability to do what needs to be done.
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If I could offer my own kind of personal wish list, which I think he is very interested in doing because we've talked about it and he's been on board with it.
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You know, the FBI is the epicenter of the cover up for the January 6th fed surrection.
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In fact, it just came out that the head of the Washington field office lied to Congress when he told them that the telecom data was corrupted that could help identify this pipe bomber.
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So this is just one of the many things that Patel will be in a position to do.
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And I think he has every interest in doing that because this is the part of the deep cleaning process.
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And the deep cleaning process is not just about exposing the criminals who have run the country into the ground.
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It's about the arguably more important task of restoring much needed legitimacy to our institutions in this country.
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Without this restoration process, the country will not be on a proper footing to dominate and thrive into the century.
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The work that this administration will do with people like Patel, people like Matt Gaetz, people like Elon from the outside, the work that they're doing is critical to setting our nation on a footing for success into the century.
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And that's why Trump, who understands those stakes, is not making any compromises in terms of his appointments.
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And Kash Patel, just the latest of these excellent people that he's chosen to carry on this task.
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Darren, where do people go to get the definitive piece on Matt Gaetz?
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You must read it today, folks, and you must share it.
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This is a huge piece, not just why he's the guy to do it, but many, many creative and absolutely incisive
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and effective things that you can do when you have someone like that at the helm.
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OK, we're going to address this again in the five and six o'clock show tonight.
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Jeff Clark, you've had the jackboots of the FBI up in your grill in your house.
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What are your first thoughts about the Kash Patel, nominated by Donald J. Trump to be the
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director of the FBI to take the position of J. Edgar Hoover, sir?
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First thought is congrats, Kash, my friend and former colleague at the Center for Renewing
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Steve, Kash has an excellent background for this and a diverse background.
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He comes from being an attorney at the National Security Division of the Justice Department,
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And so he has excellent national security credentials right there.
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And then obviously we know that he exposed the Russia collusion hoax, working with Devin
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And Steve, did you have something to interrupt me with?
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They're saying that if he's nominated, he's going to destroy the FBI.
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If he is, if he does get this nomination, by the way, we got to get this nomination.
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The deputy runs the building, but cash has got to be the front page.
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And so I'll hold back my congratulations until we see what the decision is.
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But for cash, there's some more, there's all this concern that, oh, they can't get, they
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Talk about, you got two, Trump's got two alternatives.
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And he said, you just did the one in 1998 that he's going to, he's going to use the vacancies
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What can President Trump do to get Gates confirmed and to get Patel confirmed if he needs it?
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Well, before I unpack the recess appointments clause a little bit, Steve, let me say this.
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It's even better than that because you can combine the two tools.
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You could recess appoint somebody, and then that lasts basically for two years until the
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end of the next session of Congress, each session being a year.
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And then you can tack on another 210 days as acting after that under the Federal Vacancy
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So the tools are additive, you know, like a kind of Karpowl synergy.
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So coming back to the recess appointments clause, the president has had this power since the
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Hundreds and hundreds of recess appointments have been made in our history, including by
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And for some reason, you know, surprise, surprise, the media and a lot of the never-Trumper types
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want to pretend that this is not a power that the president has, or if he exercises it, the
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And why is it that President Trump is looking at exercising that power now?
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It's because the confirmation process, especially as to Republicans, has gotten out of control.
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In my lifetime, I've seen Judge Bork, an honorable man, a Yale law professor, massive antitrust
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I've seen Clarence Thomas, them nearly take him out with their high-tech lynching.
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And I've seen them attempt to take out Brett Kavanaugh, which thankfully was stopped by
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Mike Davis and others working with Justice Kavanaugh.
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So in order to push back on that in the hurly-burly of the separation of powers, President Trump
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is talking about using this recess appointments clause power.
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And there are many of us who think that he should in order to set right the boundaries
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Davis, you've done confirmations in some of the toughest at the Supreme Court.
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Is that the confirmation, is the confirmation process gotten so bad, particularly for Trump,
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that he has to look at these, quite frankly, I guess, powers, but it looks like extraordinary
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powers, sir, including this one that Clark writes about, that he could force, essentially
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force Congress into recess and then do his recess appointments, sir?
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I was the chief counsel for nominations for the first year and a half for 18 months of
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And Jeff Clark was one of the nominees who languished in the Senate, along with many others,
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And it was because the Democrats used every obstruction tactic they could.
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They had the bogus Russian collusion hoax scaring the Republicans into thinking that Trump was
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appointing all these Russian assets into these key posts.
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I broke almost every piece of China in the Senate to make sure we confirmed President Trump's
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And if they don't want to, if the Senate doesn't want to move forward on Trump's qualified
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nominees, they have a constitutional duty in the Senate.
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They have to make sure that the people have good character and fitness and they're qualified,
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but they should also defer to the president on his cabinet picks and his other senior executive
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And if they want to obstruct, just to obstruct, then Trump needs to use the appointments, the
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vacancy act and the recess appointments to get his people picked.
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He is very qualified for this job as the FBI, and he should get confirmed, and he should
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get confirmed very quickly because he is very good at this job.
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I know that Grassley's office, his chief counsel for oversight and investigations, thinks very
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highly of Kash Patel and worked very closely with Kash Patel on Crossfire Hurricane and other
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critical oversight, and knows Kash Patel is a very serious lawyer, a very serious national
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Kash Patel is perfect to go reform the FBI, and I think he's going to have pretty strong
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support on the Senate Judiciary Committee with Chairman Chuck Grassley's office, and that's
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Because you're bringing up something that nobody—I've never heard anybody address.
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In fact, I didn't—I'm not an obviously expert anywhere near the people like the Mark
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Levins and these people that understand the Constitution so deeply.
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This is something, quite frankly, I haven't heard of before.
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What do you think we need to do to push this out there and to get this into the conversation?
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So, Steve, look, people should go to the Center for Renewing America website, americarenewing.com,
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It's also out on all of the social medias, and it's already drawn an attempted rebuttal
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piece from Ed Whelan, who was in the Bush Justice Department and, you know, who I consider
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Indeed, like back in that era, like our kids had played together on one occasion.
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But, you know, I think he's wrong that the president doesn't have this power as President
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He rushed out a piece on the National Review online to respond to my piece, which dropped
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They should go look at Ed Whelan's piece, and they should look at, you know, back and
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forth on Twitter about this with commentators and legal scholars.
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And what I say is, look, the president clearly has this power.
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Not only do we have this eight-page route, which is a summary that I think is accessible
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by any intelligent layperson, we're going to drop a 35-plus-page paper, which is an extensive
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And that's really aimed even more at the scholarly community.
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Where do they get your social media and your Hangout over at CRA?
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So on X and Getter, I'm at JeffClarkUS, and on Truth Social at RealJeffClark, and the Center
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Davis, I'll have you back on about the appointees.
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Jim, you've had, I call them the five horsemen of the deep state apocalypse led by Matt Gaetz at AG.
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It looks like there's some stirring with Cash Patel, either to be deputy or FBI director or there's something going on.
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Andrew Bailey of the AG of Missouri name also kicked around, but something's happening over there.
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Give your sense, you've been in and out of the intelligence community, you know capital markets very well.
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They're in total meltdown, not just the mainstream media, but inside the apparatus here in D.C.
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Your thoughts on President Trump's first wave brother?
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First of all, it stands in really marked contrast in a good way compared to 2016.
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We don't have to revisit all that, but he had a couple good appointments and got sidetracked with these, you know, Kelly and McMaster and all that.
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What's interesting is every time Trump makes an announcement, the left melts down and then he makes another one and they melt down some more.
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Tulsi Gabbard, can't think of anyone better for director of national intelligence.
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I've met her, just obviously smart, but she's the nicest person you ever want to meet.
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She's a lieutenant colonel, but she specializes with the Army.
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She specializes in PSYOP, psychological operations.
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I can't think of any better training for an intelligence director than someone who's good at psychological operations.
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Matt Gaetz got, you know, very brainy, got the right amount of aggressiveness.
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And the Department of Justice has been so, you know, weaponized and politicized that, you know, you just need a clean house there.
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Just kind of keep firing people to you to get to some strata that actually works.
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Steve, I've been mainly focused on the one big announcement that they haven't made, which is the Treasury secretary.
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I don't want to get, you know, I'm not in the transition deal.
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I don't want to get involved in all the names there.
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But I think it's interesting to talk about what the Treasury secretary actually does if you're going to try to pick the right name for it.
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So I'll talk about budget deficits and all that.
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The Treasury finances the budget deficit, but they're not really they don't really determine it.
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That's the OMB and the White House and the Congress.
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They run the bond market, of course, U.S. Treasury securities market.
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You just call up the primary dealers, you know, the big banks.
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That's very, I'm not being glib, but it's very important in terms of liquidity and not having a euro dollar money market meltdown.
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The chairman of the Fed will be the first one to tell you, we don't do that.
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You look at some of the great Treasury secretaries, Henry Morgenthau, James Baker, Bob Rubin.
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Now, the dollar is pretty strong against the currency, so Trump will be off to a good start.
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But inside the Treasury, they have the Office of Intelligence Analysis.
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They have an intelligence unit in the Treasury.
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It's one of the intelligent community members, which means that that's going to sync up with Tulsi Gabbard.
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So you want somebody with some intelligence chops.
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You say CFIUS is like, you know, does it itch or burn?
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That's the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States.
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Well, if you put up tariffs, what Trump's always saying is you can sell to Americans, but you've got to make it in the United States.
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And one way to do that is to buy U.S. companies.
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Well, CFIUS is the gatekeeper on whether a foreign country buying a U.S. company is a threat or not.
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And that's interagency, but that's coordinated with the Treasury.
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And, again, that's an important gatekeeper from a national security perspective on foreign investment.
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Financial warfare is conducted by the U.S. Treasury.
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And, again, this is what I teach at the U.S. Army War College.
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And just very quickly, the Iranian sanctions, Obama ran Iranian sanctions.
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They worked very well, got the Iranians to the table on the nuclear deal.
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He did a lousy deal, but he got them to the table.
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Trump ran what they call maximum pressure, maximum pressure against Iran.
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It was very little terrorism because Iran didn't have any money.
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Meanwhile, Biden comes along and they run sanctions against Russia.
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Why did sanctions work against Iran, but they failed completely against Russia?
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But the point is you have to understand that difference and understand why one works and
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So you're going to want someone who can do that.
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So kind of another financial crimes enforcement network, which is supposed to be for smugglers
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and money launders and so forth, has been weaponized, gave Hunter Biden a free pass.
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Lutnik's probably, Howard Lutnik's probably best qualified to run the bond market, but
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Scott Besant is probably, he probably has the intelligence jobs, partly because he, you
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know, he worked with Soros and ran a lot of money for Soros.
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By the way, getting back to Besant, he's come up with a three-hour plan, 3% real growth,
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3% deficit relative to GDP, and 3 million barrels of oil additional production.
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That tells me right there that he understands the problem.
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People say you have to pay off the national debt.
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The answer is grow the economy faster than the debt.
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So he gets it, but you don't have to be national economic.
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By the way, I think he's in the mix if he doesn't get Treasury for National Economic
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