Bannon's War Room - November 19, 2024


Episode 4065： Investing Into A Healthy Country


Episode Stats

Length

55 minutes

Words per Minute

161.69382

Word Count

9,023

Sentence Count

600

Misogynist Sentences

7

Hate Speech Sentences

5


Summary


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Together, Trump's candidates constitute an attempt to wreck the American government.
00:00:05.380 All three of Trump's most high-profile picks, Tulsi Gabbard, Pete Hegseth, and Matt Gaetz,
00:00:11.480 are defined publicly, both by the things they've said in the contempt they have for the role of
00:00:19.500 the departments they're now going to lead, and the views that they have that are in stark contrast
00:00:24.680 to many of the Republicans who have now been asked to vote to confirm them to lead those agencies.
00:00:30.460 Here's how Steve Bannon reacted to the choice of Matt Gaetz as A.T.
00:00:34.900 Matt Gaetz is the fiercest of the fierce warriors. He is the firebrand of firebrands.
00:00:40.240 He's going to hit the Department of Justice with a blowtorch, and that blowtorch is a guy named Matt Gaetz.
00:00:48.500 I could say a lot of things about Bannon, but at least he says it all out loud, right?
00:00:55.440 And he's been saying it for years.
00:00:58.300 Trump's picks are part of this project that Bannon has described for years now publicly
00:01:04.660 as the destruction of the administrative state, the fulfillment of a vision Bannon has been fighting for for years.
00:01:12.700 Here he is making that point earlier today.
00:01:14.560 We're going to burn some of these institutions down to the ground because you know why?
00:01:20.200 They need to be burned down to the ground.
00:01:22.680 I think that the first time that Steve Bannon ever said the phrase, and it actually is the deconstruction
00:01:28.180 of the administrative state, which is the same thing as the destruction of it, but I think the
00:01:32.280 first time he said it out loud to everybody in the world was in February of 2017 at CPAC,
00:01:38.440 where he was, the Trump forces were ascendant at that point.
00:01:43.200 Steve was in the White House at that point, and he was, I think, interviewed on stage at
00:01:47.760 CPAC by Reince Priebus, or at least was on stage with Reince Priebus, but I think it was Priebus
00:01:52.600 talking to Bannon, and Bannon talked about the big priorities in the Trump term.
00:01:57.180 He talked about nationalism in terms of foreign policy.
00:02:00.160 He talked about nationalism in terms of economic policy.
00:02:02.340 And then the third thing he talked about was this deconstruction of the administrative state.
00:02:06.840 And, you know, it's a, the one thing you can, Steve is not only someone who's been saying
00:02:10.940 this out loud forever, for, you know, through that entire, from the moment they walked in
00:02:15.600 the doors there in January of 2017 until now, when he was out, when Trump was out of office,
00:02:21.300 he's also someone who's very, he's, who is unlike Donald Trump, an extraordinarily well-read
00:02:26.980 and sophisticated thinker.
00:02:29.620 And, and when I say sophisticated, I don't want anybody to think that that means I think he's
00:02:32.880 a good thing in terms of some of these thoughts, but I mean, he is someone who has thought a lot
00:02:38.180 about this stuff.
00:02:38.840 He's read his, he's read his Lenin, and that's what this is really.
00:02:42.020 It's a, it's a Leninist project.
00:02:44.040 And I think to your point, Nicole, I think there's a lot of things going on with these,
00:02:48.120 with these, some of it is directed at the media, and that's the frame that you were just putting
00:02:51.800 on it, which is to create chaos in, in terms of how we cover it.
00:02:54.880 But it's also, I really importantly, these are tests of the Republicans in the Senate.
00:03:02.640 It is not a coincidence that, that Trump dropped the Matt Gaetz announcement to basically break
00:03:08.340 up John Thune's welcome party, his victory party, as having won as majority leader on
00:03:13.520 the, on the Senate side, on the Republican Senate side.
00:03:15.740 It was, it was like dropping a, a turd in his punch bowl at his party, basically, and sort
00:03:21.480 of saying, okay, um, this is the most unacceptable, or among the most unacceptable people you could
00:03:27.120 ever put in this job.
00:03:28.660 Now, Mr. Thune, pass him, please.
00:03:33.980 This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
00:03:38.880 Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people.
00:03:44.100 Here's the one that I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.
00:03:48.360 The people have had a belly full of it.
00:03:49.860 I know you don't like hearing that.
00:03:51.780 I know you've tried to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to
00:03:53.940 stop it.
00:03:54.400 It's going to happen.
00:03:55.680 And where do people like that go to share the big line?
00:03:59.080 Mega media.
00:04:00.420 I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
00:04:05.840 Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
00:04:09.620 If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
00:04:15.800 War Room.
00:04:16.820 Here's your host, Stephen K.
00:04:18.760 It's Monday, 18 November, Year of the Lord, 2024.
00:04:27.280 Okay, we're going to have Jeff Clark is going to do a reprise of the little bit we had on
00:04:31.560 the morning show.
00:04:33.060 Because we have to talk about the big fight is the confirmation fight.
00:04:38.020 They're getting to the judges fight, which we will talk about in the second hour.
00:04:41.740 Clark's here on this.
00:04:45.020 I guess what they're taking to be a radical idea about the president forcing both houses
00:04:50.520 of Congress into recess where he would put some of these nominees forward.
00:04:56.560 Of course, a firestorm at Capitol Hill today.
00:04:58.460 Really, Pete Hexeth and Matt Gaetz drawing the fire.
00:05:01.980 I think it says a lot when you see Nicole Wallace and Hallman and all of MSNBC in the focus on
00:05:08.400 Tulsi Gabbard, Pete Hexeth, Matt Gaetz.
00:05:11.340 Right now, Christy Noem and believe it or not, RFK Jr. getting a pass, which I guess is some
00:05:18.280 strategy there.
00:05:19.760 We're going to talk about Tina Peters out in a nine-year prison sentence in Colorado.
00:05:25.540 I've got Julie Kelly here.
00:05:26.860 The NBC News is doing some amazing reporting on the Justice Department and the lawyers there
00:05:33.520 leaving in droves before Matt Gaetz arrives.
00:05:36.820 And also, we're going to go to Silicon Valley, talk about venture capital.
00:05:40.780 Brian Costello is going to be here talking about the venture capital firms there and their
00:05:45.940 involvement in all this.
00:05:47.100 So we'll get to that in a moment.
00:05:48.560 Honored to have Nicole Shanahan join us.
00:05:51.460 She was a vice presidential candidate with RFK, came forward and supported President Trump.
00:05:58.880 Nicole, the reason I wanted to have you on here is to kind of kick this off.
00:06:01.940 We haven't had a lot of opportunity to really focus on what RFK is doing over HHS as he
00:06:06.860 starts to man up and will be announcing it.
00:06:08.800 But in his whole thing of make America healthy again, a huge aspect of that that nobody's
00:06:15.300 talking about and that we pray President Trump is just as aggressive as he's been on
00:06:20.780 these other nominations is the U.S. Department of Agriculture.
00:06:25.020 Can you just walk our audience through?
00:06:26.160 Because you spent a lot of time on this.
00:06:27.500 That merger, when we talk about make America healthy again and everything RFK is going to
00:06:33.100 do with big pharma and big medicine and that whole biopharma, biopharmaceutical industrial
00:06:39.740 complex, you're coming at it from a different angle and that's agriculture.
00:06:43.780 Walk us through your construct, ma'am.
00:06:47.040 Yeah.
00:06:47.320 First, thanks for having me, Steve.
00:06:48.840 It's a real honor to be here on your show.
00:06:51.000 Well, it's going down right now.
00:06:53.740 The nomination for head of the USDA is happening right this moment and there's an opportunity
00:07:01.980 for the first time ever to get somebody in there who's a real farmer, who's going to look
00:07:08.720 out for the small family farms and who's going to revitalize our soil systems.
00:07:13.660 I came to agriculture through a very narrow lens of looking at climate change and this
00:07:22.820 is almost 10 years ago now and I'm a technologist here in Silicon Valley and I looked at every
00:07:30.040 one of the climate schemes that they had brought up that were being brought up and sold as these
00:07:39.340 green energy programs and none of them made sense to me looking at just the science and
00:07:45.420 just the business of it.
00:07:47.000 If we just look at carbon through this myopic lens of we have excess CO2 in the atmosphere
00:07:57.440 and that is allegedly leading to a heating and climate change and climate change patterning.
00:08:05.640 If you just look at it through that, you actually, and you spend time on the science and you realize
00:08:12.240 the opportunity of soil and you realize the many, many benefits of tending to our farmland.
00:08:19.320 There's about 900 million acres of farmland in the United States and you look at the history
00:08:26.320 of our relationship with soil.
00:08:28.140 When you don't take care of the soil, you get the dust bowl.
00:08:30.940 When you don't take care of the soil, people go hungry.
00:08:34.080 When you cut down American farmland, you get inflation, you get expensive food products
00:08:41.860 because the supply chain gets disrupted.
00:08:46.240 And we saw that during the COVID-19 pandemic and the lockdowns.
00:08:50.840 So you can't talk about any of these really big issues like inflation or climate without
00:08:55.320 actually addressing the soil.
00:08:57.500 You can't talk about health without addressing the soil.
00:09:00.620 In this country, we use an enormous amount of glyphosate.
00:09:05.360 Glyphosate has been tied for decades now to all kinds of autoimmune issues and cancers.
00:09:12.680 In fact, Bayer and Monsanto, Bayer acquired Monsanto, has paid out over $11 billion in damages
00:09:20.960 due to people getting sick from glyphosate and farmers getting sick.
00:09:26.500 And these very well-defined cancers that have been defined and linked conclusively to glyphosate
00:09:34.020 exposure.
00:09:35.280 You cannot address so many of the issues we have in America without addressing the USDA.
00:09:41.180 Tom Vilsack, the current head of the USDA, he was the head of the USDA under Obama as well,
00:09:47.500 is it's even hard to call him a commodities guy.
00:09:53.060 He's just he is somebody who is a puppet who's put in there to keep this whole system running as it is.
00:10:01.040 He's made no major changes to say that he's dedicated anything towards things that liberals
00:10:07.420 care about, such as conservation, is, you know, we've seen no movement there.
00:10:13.260 The farm bill is something we don't hear much about that we really ought to be listening and
00:10:19.740 paying much more close attention to in terms of what's going into it.
00:10:23.480 These are five and then 10-year bills, budgets.
00:10:27.700 The next one that's up right now is going to be the first 10-year farm bill that exceeds a trillion dollars.
00:10:35.640 So, you know, this is stuff that we have to be paying attention to.
00:10:41.000 The farm, calling it the farm bill doesn't even make sense.
00:10:44.440 It's over a trillion dollars mostly going to the SNAP program.
00:10:50.080 Fruit stamps and very unhealthy.
00:10:52.680 Hang on for a second.
00:10:54.060 As you know, this is a populist nationalist show with a huge mega audience and we always try to support
00:10:59.860 the little guy.
00:11:00.460 But when you have 900 million acres, and we love family farms and the family farmer and
00:11:07.140 the little guy, but isn't that just fond nostalgia for an America that's passed?
00:11:11.960 I mean, to feed America and to feed the world or to help feed the world, don't you need massive
00:11:18.600 agribusiness?
00:11:19.700 Don't you need Archer Daniel Midland?
00:11:21.620 Don't you need Masanto?
00:11:22.580 Don't you, isn't this something that scales up and why people, I think, appreciate the
00:11:27.960 fact, you know, your show, Back to the People and all your things are related to family farmers
00:11:32.700 and the soil and all the stuff that's going.
00:11:34.760 Isn't that, isn't that just nostalgia, ma'am?
00:11:38.840 I don't think so.
00:11:41.420 I've looked at the science and when you take care of the soil, you get long-term yields.
00:11:47.820 You get higher yield in the density, nutritional density of the food.
00:11:54.180 So if you really do want to feed people, you have to tend to the soil.
00:11:58.300 And look, if there's large-scale production that is producing high nutrient-dense foods,
00:12:07.460 I'm all for it.
00:12:08.680 But those nutrient-dense foods have to actually translate to healthy people.
00:12:14.520 And that's not what we have going on right now.
00:12:17.620 We have commodities, massive commodities, that a lot of it results in high-fructose corn syrup,
00:12:27.400 which we know doesn't nourish human bodies.
00:12:32.060 We know causes all kinds of dysregulated behavior in small children.
00:12:38.880 So this is, you know, not about nostalgia.
00:12:41.460 I mean, I'm not sure how to reference this idea of nostalgia.
00:12:45.040 I'm talking just strictly efficiency about if we want to invest dollars in to healthy people,
00:12:52.120 we have all the land.
00:12:53.960 We have more land.
00:12:55.120 Actually, you know, in the latest consensus of the 900 million acres that we have in the United States,
00:13:01.120 we're farming only about 500 million acres of them.
00:13:04.580 That number is going down year over year.
00:13:07.040 And, in fact, here in the state of California, where we produce half of the fruits and vegetables in this country,
00:13:15.320 half of the fruits and vegetables come from the state of California.
00:13:18.600 And the state of California currently has a plan to cut water down 40% to farmers,
00:13:24.620 which means we're going to lose 40% of the fruit and vegetable production coming from the state of California,
00:13:31.380 which is responsible for half.
00:13:34.160 I mean, so this is merely looking at it strictly through the lens of, you know, not flowers and bunnies and things.
00:13:43.440 I'm looking at it strictly from a business lens.
00:13:46.640 And hang on one second.
00:13:49.740 We're going to go to break.
00:13:50.560 That was a great answer.
00:13:51.560 No, we have nostalgia for the small farmer, too.
00:13:55.240 But you come at it from science and from technology.
00:13:58.360 We're going to take a short commercial break.
00:14:00.820 We're going to return in a moment.
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00:14:08.640 We're packed today.
00:14:10.640 These cabinet nominations, and I think Nicole Shanahan's got some recommendations.
00:14:16.540 As she tries to shake up the United States Department of Agriculture in the MAGA Revolution,
00:14:22.360 President Trump is a blunt force instrument for change, an anti-systems person, as is RFK, Tulsi Gabbard, Matt Gaetz,
00:14:33.920 and the rest of their compatriots now into the Department of Agriculture.
00:14:37.480 Incredibly important as it works together with HHS to make America healthy again.
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00:16:19.260 Okay.
00:16:21.080 RFK Jr. is putting together his team at HHS and getting ready for what will be a firestorm by Big Pharma and Big Medicine when he comes forward to end that nomination process.
00:16:33.260 I had a chance to spend a few minutes with RFK Jr. at Mar-a-Lago on Friday, and we caught up with the great Tony Lyons.
00:16:43.080 Nicole Shanahan was the vice presidential candidate running as an independent on the ticket with RFK.
00:16:49.660 She's very focused on the agricultural department.
00:16:52.080 I just want to frame this.
00:16:55.360 First time you've been on, and I want to make sure our audience is very focused on family farms and the small farmer.
00:17:03.180 The current head of the USDA, this is his second turn in the barrel.
00:17:07.280 I think it was Obama's.
00:17:09.180 He's now under Biden.
00:17:10.480 He's been the governor of Iowa, which is obviously one of the states that are the breadbasket of the country and the world.
00:17:18.100 Are you saying – and he's a guy with a liberal perspective, progressive.
00:17:24.300 Are you saying he's failed to make the changes that a Nicole Shanahan or the people she supports to head the USDA would make?
00:17:34.040 I mean I think most of the audience would find that shocking.
00:17:36.240 He's worked for Obama, arguably the most progressive president of modern times.
00:17:41.980 He's now back with Biden.
00:17:43.680 He's had two shots in Iowa.
00:17:45.900 I think people are kind of stunned.
00:17:48.100 He has not helped a small farmer.
00:17:49.680 He does not have the perspective you have that you think is a cornerstone of make America healthy again, ma'am.
00:17:57.040 Yeah, it's hard for me to categorize Tim Vilsack as either corrupt or uninformed and quite stupid.
00:18:07.400 I think it's more of the former.
00:18:11.460 I think that there's a great deal of corruption that has been hidden under the mask of progressive values around conservation and climate management.
00:18:25.960 And I'm really concerned, having seen some of the actions under this administration, how they have treated farmers around this country like criminals.
00:18:35.680 We've seen more raids of small family farms, organic farms.
00:18:40.720 I mean this wasn't happening in the 90s.
00:18:43.540 We've seen attacks on raw milk production.
00:18:48.140 We've seen raids of Amish farms in this country.
00:18:53.140 I've seen, you know, I've seen the words conservation and aquifers floated around.
00:18:59.420 But when you actually look at the behaviors here in the state of California, we've been out of a drought for the last three years.
00:19:05.700 Now would have been the time to invest.
00:19:08.280 I have a full map of every farm in the state of California and how we should have been investing in those farms and restoring those aquifers.
00:19:17.120 Instead, they're paying farmers to fallow their lands.
00:19:22.020 They have a pilot program here to fallow their lands.
00:19:24.500 And we know that California is a test bed for these policies.
00:19:27.640 And if they work here, they spin them out into the rest of the country.
00:19:30.780 Tom Vilsack has very much been a puppet of what I think is this climate death cult that looks at human and human needs through this very negative lens.
00:19:44.380 And they are blind to this whole other body of science, the body of soil science that says if we restore the soil organic matter, S-O-M, soil organic matter of our soil by like 5%,
00:19:58.560 we can pay off an enormity of our carbon debt and our emissions debt.
00:20:04.280 And we get the added benefit of feeding people healthy, nutritious food.
00:20:08.260 Because when you increase the soil organic matter of our lands, it goes directly into the seeds and the roots and the leaf.
00:20:17.100 And we get to consume all of that.
00:20:21.780 You're very focused on this, on the current, what's going to happen in the USDA.
00:20:25.300 Walk us through, who do you recommend that, if you were talking to President Trump right now,
00:20:30.220 who do you recommend that President Trump and his transition team put forward as the new leadership in the USDA?
00:20:37.160 And what do you want them to focus on?
00:20:40.200 You know, the beneficial remark that I'd like to share right now, full of optimism,
00:20:46.760 is that we have a list of 20 people who would all be amazing, amazing leadership of the USDA.
00:20:55.500 And these are farmers.
00:20:56.560 These are people who work with other farmers and train other farmers in need and help turn farms around who are going into debt.
00:21:04.600 Farming is a hard business.
00:21:05.960 And we have got some of the best farmers in the world in this country.
00:21:11.740 And we are not leveraging that expertise.
00:21:14.160 But if I'll give you some names, amongst those that we think would just be wonderful,
00:21:20.560 Congressman Thomas Massey would be wonderful.
00:21:24.560 We know he's very busy right now.
00:21:26.020 And if you know Massey, he's tried many times to present bills that are very pro-farmer,
00:21:33.440 very protective of the family farm, and really all about food freedom.
00:21:38.360 If not Thomas Massey, we've got this wonderful farmer, Jimmy Emmons,
00:21:44.780 who is loved by the left and loved by the right and loved by every farmer he meets
00:21:52.080 and is just this jovial, wonderful, brilliant man who's a farmer and a soil scientist.
00:21:58.020 He was a farmer first, became a soil scientist.
00:22:01.820 He's got a huge following.
00:22:04.160 And the list goes on.
00:22:05.460 There's Frank Nicely, who's wonderful.
00:22:08.560 He'd be a great deputy secretary at the USDA or ahead.
00:22:13.040 Um, he's a Republican member of the Tennessee State Senate.
00:22:17.640 He's fantastic.
00:22:19.180 Also a farmer, also understands the bureaucracy.
00:22:22.200 He understands where the money is, where the bodies are buried.
00:22:26.020 Um, and, you know, this list goes on and on.
00:22:28.480 And, and I've published it on my ex, uh, who I'd love to see out there.
00:22:34.000 Um, and I just, you know, the, the thing we have to remember is we have every tool to turn
00:22:39.580 this around.
00:22:40.120 And this is something that's going to impact every budget item related to the government.
00:22:47.440 Let me talk real quickly.
00:22:49.800 Uh, we'd love, um, the audience loves learning nomenclature.
00:22:54.320 When you've used this term food freedom, what does that mean?
00:22:58.060 It's the right to grow our own food and it's the right to, um, be able to afford a lifestyle
00:23:07.240 that lets us thrive as human beings.
00:23:11.680 Um, one of the, you know, biggest issues around food freedom today is that we aren't able to
00:23:20.120 grow, for example, dairy products the way that we'd like to.
00:23:26.200 Um, we are now on the precipice of being forced to inject our cattle with the mRNA vaccine.
00:23:34.820 So just like we talk about medical freedom for humans and the desire to not have mandates
00:23:41.220 telling us what we have to put in our bodies, food freedom is an extension of that.
00:23:48.020 We want the ability to eat meat that isn't, um, that full of these inputs.
00:23:55.580 Um, we'd also like to be fully informed.
00:23:57.980 I mean, let's talk about the Nuremberg trials, right?
00:24:00.460 The idea that humans have a right to be fully informed about what they're putting into their
00:24:07.000 bodies.
00:24:07.440 Um, food freedom is a really big part of that.
00:24:11.620 Okay.
00:24:12.100 Nicole, so hang on.
00:24:13.140 So MSMEC, the Progressive Channel, if they would say, in fact, when they see this tonight
00:24:19.480 or tomorrow, they'll say, look, if you let a nutcase like Bobby Kennedy take over, um,
00:24:25.640 HHS, every kid's going to have measles and every other disease.
00:24:29.080 And if Nicole Shanahan has her way at the USDA, you can be drinking raw milk and other dairy
00:24:34.100 products and getting all kind of, uh, uh, bacillus and diseases in you that, that these people
00:24:39.860 are anti-modern science.
00:24:41.600 In fact, they're anti-modernity.
00:24:43.380 They want to take America back to the 17th or 16th, 15th or 16th century.
00:24:49.020 Uh, and, and these things are impractical.
00:24:51.760 They can't scale.
00:24:53.100 And Shanahan's almost as dangerous as Bobby Kennedy.
00:24:56.360 Your response, ma'am?
00:24:57.460 I am very pro science.
00:25:00.740 In fact, we are just on the frontier of probably one of the most exciting, exciting scientific
00:25:06.200 discoveries, which is the soil microbiome.
00:25:10.360 There is so much life in a handful of healthy soil, and we're going to understand how that
00:25:18.340 soil interacts with our health and can actually feed us in ways that, you know, we haven't
00:25:25.440 even explored in terms of crop production.
00:25:28.720 Um, I, I think that if you talk to a PhD here at Stanford university, um, who's studying
00:25:35.840 ecosystem science and you ask them, what is the most interesting breakthrough area of the
00:25:41.980 field of, of conservation?
00:25:43.880 They're going to tell you it's this microbiome.
00:25:47.280 There is this whole world of life under our feet and we can solve so many of humanity's
00:25:54.520 greatest issues, um, by exploring, uh, the majesty of soil.
00:25:58.720 Um, Nicole, you've got to know, you've got a foundation, you have a venture capital fund.
00:26:06.100 You've also got a media platform.
00:26:07.600 Walk people through where they can go.
00:26:09.480 Cause I'm telling you, the audience is fascinated about this.
00:26:12.000 We're a huge believer in, uh, the family farm and the, uh, and the little guy, uh, particularly
00:26:17.820 against agribusiness and this farm bill, which you're correct.
00:26:20.960 It's, it's not simply that snap is food stamps, but the food, they're not really buying food.
00:26:26.440 They're buying food product, right?
00:26:28.460 And this is what's destroying the health of the country.
00:26:30.480 So I think you and you and, uh, I would talk to Bobby though, about, about eating the big
00:26:34.760 max on, uh, on president Trump's plane coming back from the UFC.
00:26:37.540 I guess he gets so jacked up in the gladiator arena.
00:26:40.060 He lost himself on the French fries.
00:26:42.340 Um, where do people go for all your platforms and the following you on social media, ma'am?
00:26:46.860 Well, first of all, I'd like to put a plug in for big max.
00:26:50.080 I think we can make big max great again.
00:26:52.640 And, uh, I, I grew up eating McDonald's and it's, it's really not so much the fact that
00:26:58.620 it is a big Mac.
00:26:59.380 The big Mac is a genius invention.
00:27:00.840 It's delicious.
00:27:02.020 Um, but it's the contents of the big Mac.
00:27:04.880 It's, um, the quality of the meat.
00:27:07.760 It's the, um, dough conditioner in the dough that is linked to all kinds of GI issues.
00:27:14.300 Um, we can make big max great again.
00:27:16.680 And, and I, and, and, you know, frying French fries in seed oils, it'd be much better if
00:27:23.860 we could fry our French fries and beef tallow, um, or coconut oils.
00:27:28.160 I mean, there's so many, there's so much we can do and innovate around in terms of healthier
00:27:33.240 food science, especially at scale.
00:27:35.180 And especially with, you know, these branded American, um, nostalgic things.
00:27:41.160 Like I grew up eating, uh, happy meals.
00:27:44.320 So, um, but to answer your question, uh, you know, check me out on X.
00:27:49.120 I am very, very active on X.
00:27:51.180 Many of the posts, majority of the posts are my own.
00:27:54.700 And that's me just, you know, sharing what my heart wants to share and, uh, getting information
00:28:01.860 out there in a timely way.
00:28:04.260 Um, back to the people podcast as well.
00:28:06.820 We'll put the other ones up.
00:28:08.160 Yep.
00:28:08.740 Thank you very much.
00:28:09.320 Thank you, Nicole Shanahan.
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00:29:17.900 Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
00:29:23.700 Welcome back.
00:29:26.640 Jeff Clark joins me.
00:29:29.200 Jeff, Julie Kelly, we're going to get Julie Kelly in a moment.
00:29:32.920 NBC News is reporting that Merrick Garland was stunned and shocked about 5 November's results
00:29:40.940 and that their senior lawyers in the Justice Department were weeping openly about the results,
00:29:47.400 and now they're all panicked.
00:29:48.700 They're checking their passports.
00:29:50.260 They're lawyering up.
00:29:51.400 They say we didn't do anything wrong, but Trump and these evil people like Jeff Clark
00:29:57.320 are coming after us.
00:29:58.260 And Matt Gaetz, your thoughts, sir?
00:30:00.640 Look, Steve, I spent a total of six and a half plus years at the Justice Department in
00:30:07.180 two different presidential administrations.
00:30:08.800 I can tell you and the audience with great assurance that at no point did I ever break down weeping
00:30:14.480 about any election results or even any case results were supposed to be adults at this
00:30:21.820 point, right?
00:30:22.360 I was about to say men, and I recognize that maybe that's a little bit, you know, too male-centric.
00:30:28.400 But still, look, I think these reports are amazing in that they show the nature of the people who've
00:30:34.500 come in under the Democrat umbrella.
00:30:37.360 And, you know, I don't have a lot of sympathy for them.
00:30:40.540 I hear that they're making arguments of, you know, well, we're going to have to be bedeviled
00:30:44.560 by lawsuits and lawfare, et cetera.
00:30:47.100 Well, welcome to the club.
00:30:48.000 I've spent the last four years being bedeviled by those things just for doing my job at the
00:30:53.340 Justice Department.
00:30:54.660 And, you know, if there is some turnabout on that from the new Congress and from any
00:31:01.400 investigations that might take place, you know, that's what they signed up for when
00:31:06.320 they started weaponizing the Justice Department against their political opponents, Steve.
00:31:11.120 Walk us through.
00:31:11.900 It was pretty – they're freaking out about this proposal you put forward to actually get
00:31:17.980 – to get to that point, we've got to get Matt Gaetz and Todd Blanch and people actually
00:31:22.340 in the Justice Department.
00:31:25.200 And all day long, they're talking about, oh, they're going to block this, although
00:31:28.000 it's pretty evident no other Republican congressmen have come forward – well, first
00:31:32.420 of all, I don't think anybody's come forward and said they actually will not vote for Matt
00:31:35.240 Gaetz.
00:31:35.600 Murkowski and I think Collins have indicated that he's got a tough sell.
00:31:39.500 But walk us through – and if Denver can put up his report, at least the eight-pager,
00:31:46.420 and we have, I guess, a 37.
00:31:47.720 Walk us through this eight-pager because the president – there's two things out there
00:31:51.580 now.
00:31:52.180 President Trump's talked about this Act of 1998 that he's prepared to use, and you're
00:31:57.520 offering him another alternative in case we can't go through the normal process of
00:32:02.220 advice and consent in the Senate to get his nominees across the finish line.
00:32:06.420 Let me start, if I could, Steve, by talking about English law.
00:32:11.720 So the English king had two sets of powers.
00:32:15.380 Eventually, the parliament made inroads against the first one especially.
00:32:19.820 But the king could have the power to dissolve the parliament or to suspend it or what was
00:32:27.180 called pro-rocket.
00:32:28.420 And the framers, in their wisdom, completely appropriate, since they wanted to have three
00:32:34.060 standing branches of government that were co-equal, they denied to the president the
00:32:38.980 analog of the power to dissolve Congress.
00:32:41.700 It's a body that continues in existence from election to election.
00:32:46.500 The president doesn't have the power to do that.
00:32:49.280 But they decided that some form of the power to prorogue essentially would be conferred on
00:32:54.480 the president.
00:32:54.940 But they put another check and balance on it, Steve.
00:32:57.860 They put on it the idea that the president can order the two houses of Congress into a
00:33:04.840 recess if the two houses disagree with each other as to whether to go into that recess.
00:33:11.660 And so if that disagreement between the houses exists, the president can send them into recess
00:33:16.700 for as long as he sees fit.
00:33:19.440 And there are arguments floating around from the Wall Street Journal, from Ed Whelan, for
00:33:25.460 the National Review, from Andy McCarthy.
00:33:28.520 Hang on for a second.
00:33:29.340 Hang on for a second.
00:33:31.000 The republic's been around.
00:33:32.320 The Constitution is, what, 235 years old.
00:33:34.460 We're coming up next April, folks, the 250th anniversary, so that's a quarter of a millennium,
00:33:41.440 of the shot heard around the world, Lexington and Concord, next 19 April 2025.
00:33:47.500 Has this ever been even talked—has it ever been tried anywhere in any presidency?
00:33:53.880 And has it even been discussed, what you're talking about?
00:33:57.740 Well, this is where one house would say, I want to go into recess.
00:34:00.580 The other house wouldn't.
00:34:01.800 And the president can use that one house saying they want to go into recess.
00:34:05.260 So this kind of is a reveal, but why Mike Johnson, who has nothing to do with confirmations,
00:34:12.580 said out of the blue, oh, well, I support the recess nominations process.
00:34:19.580 So Johnson could put the house into recess, and Trump could use that house recess to force
00:34:26.100 the Senate to force, if Mitch McConnell and John Thune didn't want to do it, to force the
00:34:30.700 house into a recess and then put his nominees through?
00:34:33.540 Short answer is yes, and what the president's given in the Constitution is a tie-breaking
00:34:37.860 power.
00:34:38.380 If the two houses disagree with each other, the president can send them both into recess.
00:34:43.340 Where is that in the Constitution?
00:34:44.820 That is in the article about adjournments.
00:34:50.380 And it goes to, you know, normally, right, the houses decide for themselves when they're
00:34:55.360 in session.
00:34:55.920 Well, the Senate has not been out of, was never out of session the entire first Trump
00:35:03.340 presidency.
00:35:04.220 Mitch McConnell did not trust, this was a, the only reason he did that was because he
00:35:08.700 did not trust Trump to slide in a couple of nominations, correct?
00:35:13.180 They created this pro forma process where they basically gaveled themselves in, and they were
00:35:20.760 supposedly in session, but they really weren't in session.
00:35:24.800 But the Supreme Court upheld that in this case called Noel Canning versus the NLRB.
00:35:29.780 And so, you know, now it's well established that the Senate can use these pro forma adjournments,
00:35:36.400 and they're not, you know, pro forma coming into session when they're actually not there
00:35:41.040 doing business.
00:35:42.020 The Obama administration tried to say that during those, you know, sessions where they're
00:35:47.080 really not available, they're actually in recess, and therefore President Obama had
00:35:51.140 the recess appointment power.
00:35:52.600 But the Supreme Court disagreed.
00:35:54.380 They said that as we read the Constitution and its history, a recess of three days or less
00:36:02.620 is clearly insufficient to trigger the recess appointment power.
00:36:06.400 For recesses 10 days and longer, they said that that is long enough, then the power definitely
00:36:11.920 exists in the president.
00:36:13.220 And then they said that recesses essentially between the three days and the 10 days presumptively
00:36:17.620 are not long enough in order for the president to use the power.
00:36:20.800 So if the president wants to use the power and not have it be questioned, a recess has to
00:36:25.560 last 10 days or longer.
00:36:27.780 And what, and that, could the House say, I want a 10-day recess?
00:36:31.740 Yes.
00:36:32.140 And the president can force the Senate into a 10-day recess, and then he can put certain
00:36:38.200 of his nominees through?
00:36:39.440 Yes.
00:36:40.280 And so here are the response arguments.
00:36:43.020 Whelan, is it Whelan or Whelan?
00:36:44.860 Whelan, Ed Whelan.
00:36:45.620 Ed Whelan at National Review, put up a National Review online?
00:36:49.600 Yes.
00:36:50.200 Ed Whelan disagreed with you?
00:36:52.400 Yes.
00:36:52.740 And who is Ed Whelan?
00:36:54.520 Ed Whelan was at the Office of Legal Counsel at the Justice Department.
00:36:58.180 So Office of Legal Counsel is the internal law firm for the Justice Department.
00:37:02.640 It kind of writes the opinion letters.
00:37:04.020 When you give them an executive order, they write essentially an opinion letter and helps
00:37:09.100 with the, make sure it's constitutional, correct?
00:37:11.200 Yes.
00:37:11.720 They're very serious people.
00:37:13.020 Yes.
00:37:13.520 And indeed, others...
00:37:14.740 And Ed Whelan is a very serious individual?
00:37:17.360 He is, yes.
00:37:18.480 You know him?
00:37:19.320 I do, yeah.
00:37:19.980 I've worked with him and, you know, I think he's a good guy.
00:37:23.940 I sort of tweeted about him today.
00:37:25.780 Look, you know, Ed, our kids had even played together at one point when we were both younger
00:37:29.660 men.
00:37:29.800 Had a play date?
00:37:30.900 We went, you know, mutual friend.
00:37:32.420 All of our kids were playing out in the house in Arlington.
00:37:36.340 And he's a very smart guy.
00:37:38.060 Like, I appreciate him, but I think...
00:37:39.800 Did he take you to task on this?
00:37:42.260 Or was it around the edges?
00:37:44.100 I think maybe he thinks he did, but I didn't think it was a very effective response.
00:37:48.240 So one of his responses, which he had launched before me, and now then he kind of used it
00:37:53.940 and put it in motion against me as well, is this idea that there would not be a disagreement
00:37:58.700 between the houses about recess, but rather the Senate would simply decide to stay in session.
00:38:04.040 So this seems to me to be quite a semantic argument, Steve.
00:38:09.000 So let me indulge your viewers and you to use what one of my law professors used to call a homely
00:38:14.480 analogy, by which he would mean he would try to take some complicated legal subject and turn it
00:38:19.600 into something everyone could understand.
00:38:21.420 So I'm going to blast back.
00:38:23.160 I'm 12 years old.
00:38:24.480 I'm over a friend's house, and we're shooting baskets, you know, against the backboard on his
00:38:30.660 driveway. And I say, hey, you know, this has been fun, but why don't you come over to my house
00:38:36.240 and we'll play air hockey? And, you know, he says, no, I want to keep playing basketball and
00:38:43.700 shoot the hoops, right? Well, what Ed is saying is that, you know, there's essentially an agreement
00:38:48.980 about, disagreement about whether to keep shooting hoops. There's not a disagreement about whether
00:38:53.920 to go over to my house and play air hockey, right? But in reality, they're just the flip side of each
00:38:58.440 other, right? A recess and a continuance of the Senate in session are just, you know, binaries,
00:39:04.340 like two different sides of the same coin. So to say that it's a dispute about staying in session
00:39:10.020 versus in recess, it's inherently a dispute about whether to take a recess. Therefore, if the two
00:39:14.800 houses disagree, whatever the Senate tries to say, like, well, we're not disagreeing with you about
00:39:19.160 a recess. We just want to stay in session. I don't think that's going to be good enough to stop
00:39:23.660 the president from using this power if he wants to. All right. Your scheme or your proposal here
00:39:29.700 to the president, would you use it after he tried? What was the act in 1998 that today he actually said
00:39:37.760 if I believe he said on a true social or said, if John Thune does not move my candidates,
00:39:45.400 my nominees through quickly on an orderly process, I will use this, what, the Avoidance Act of 1998?
00:39:56.360 So that statute's called the Federal Vacancies Reform Act, Steve, the FBRA. And it arose out of
00:40:03.640 disputes with a Clinton official, Lonnie Chen, who seemed to serve at the Civil Rights Division forever
00:40:11.220 without Senate confirmation. And so they put this act in place. But before I kind of unpack that act
00:40:16.120 a little bit, let me say, look, whenever you're dealing with relationships between the political
00:40:21.020 branches, you're dealing with a situation in which, you know, deals can be made, right, in which
00:40:27.020 arrangements can be struck. Maybe the president talks to the Senate and he, you know, leads senators,
00:40:33.700 and there are a few people that he wants to try to get recess appointed, you know, maybe,
00:40:38.840 and there are others that he makes an agreement, you know, they'll go through the full process or
00:40:42.540 whatever. These, these kinds of things may be taking place behind the scenes. And I think the
00:40:46.580 framers anticipated that before you go to the cudgels about something that might actually show up in
00:40:51.200 the courts, you exercise those softer persuasive, you know, tools that you have. All right. So now
00:40:58.040 about the Federal Vacancies Reform Act. So, hang on, because we're going to go to break. You can stick
00:41:02.940 around, right? Sure. What the, what the left is saying on TV and the Democrats are that these
00:41:12.220 appointments are in your face to actually take the government and start to tear it apart. And they,
00:41:20.260 defenders of the established order, are going to use the powers in the constitution of the Senate
00:41:27.720 basically being the human resources department. And that the FVRA option that President Trump,
00:41:34.420 I think, tweeted out earlier, and that Jeff Clark's idea are kind of these radical
00:41:40.160 tools that one reaches for when one can't get a cabinet nominee through a standard process.
00:41:51.460 Your response, sir?
00:41:52.340 Quick response is this case that I discussed with you, Noel Canning, which is the leading precedent on
00:41:58.260 the recess appointments clause. It's one where Obama was using it. He tried to put people on the
00:42:05.900 National Labor Relations Board during, you know, one of these short kinds of non-recesses because
00:42:12.640 they didn't go for long enough. I didn't hear anything from the Nicole Wallace's of the world
00:42:17.120 or the New York Times about like how terrible it was that Obama was trying to put recess
00:42:22.040 appointees in. It's only when they think their ox is being gored that they magically turn around.
00:42:27.100 Indeed, there was, I retweeted it today, there was, somebody put clips of Lawrence O'Donnell,
00:42:31.720 and I think it was Nicole Wallace, but it might have her wrong, but at least Lawrence O'Donnell
00:42:36.140 put out clips saying, you know, there's a constitutional power called the recess appointments
00:42:39.860 clause, and the president clearly has this power, right? So, you know, it's time for those
00:42:43.900 clips to get jammed back in their face, right? If Obama's exercising the power, they're totally good
00:42:48.480 with it, but if Donald John Trump wants to, they say no. Okay, hang on. We got a lot to get to.
00:42:53.100 Julie Kelly's going to join us. We got Brian Costello about the venture capitalists and business
00:42:58.040 with the Chinese Communist Party. Now, maybe an investigation is going to go on. We're going to
00:43:02.640 talk to Tina Peter's lawyer. Jeff Clark's going to stick around. We've got a lot going on.
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00:46:58.220 And count the same day. Can we play the call over for Julie Kelly? Let's go and play it.
00:47:02.720 Yeah. How has the choice of Matt Gaetz changed the equation or has it?
00:47:08.340 It has. And that's the difference. There was worry about congressional investigations.
00:47:12.980 They expected that. But the choice of Gaetz, which was, I think, a real surprise to many people inside
00:47:17.760 the DOJ, you know, signaled everywhere, yes, that he, you know, he's a lawyer, but he's had no
00:47:23.180 experience prosecuting cases. But most of all, he is a firebrand loyalist, a very vocal supporter
00:47:29.000 of President Trump. And it's seen by people as a choice. It's someone who trusts, who Trump trusts,
00:47:35.780 and someone who, given the ethics investigation, sort of owes Trump. Trump is sort of protecting
00:47:40.560 him by giving him this new job just before the ethics report comes out. So it has raised fears
00:47:46.040 that there could actually be criminal investigations and prosecutions by the Trump administration of
00:47:51.760 career DOJ and FBI officials.
00:47:54.000 How would you quantify or can you quantify?
00:47:56.140 That plays much, much longer. We'll play that maybe in the next hour with Jeff Clark.
00:48:01.980 Julie Kelly, NBC News is reporting that Merrick Garland was shocked and stunned by the results,
00:48:09.360 that senior officials in DOJ were weeping on Tuesday the 5th in the evening as the results
00:48:17.240 came in. And now they're petrified. One of the segments all day long in every show,
00:48:21.980 one segment is about the fear inside the Justice Department for, of course, these uncalled for
00:48:28.660 criminal investigations. Your thoughts, ma'am?
00:48:32.100 Yes, I think it's legitimate. I've talked to people who are closer to DOJ than I am who say
00:48:36.800 that the fear and terror is real, not just among top DOJ officials, including Special Counsel Jack
00:48:44.480 Smith and his team. We could talk about his being a flight risk and leaving as Mark Zaid is recommending
00:48:52.220 top targets to flee the country around Inauguration Day. Just crazy talk. But that even lying prosecutors
00:48:59.660 are terrified that they are going to be investigated, which they should, for violating the 1A,
00:49:06.120 4A, 5A, 6A, 8A constitutional rights of January 6th defendants conspiring with the FBI and federal
00:49:15.260 judges to deny due process to Americans, most the overwhelming majority of whom had no criminal
00:49:22.020 record, committed no crime, but nonetheless had their lives destroyed at the hands of this bloodthirsty
00:49:28.860 DOJ led by Merrick Garland, Lisa Monaco, and of course, the D.C. U.S. attorney, Matthew Graves.
00:49:34.740 So the fear is real. It is gratifying to see the tables turn on this vengeful DOJ who has destroyed
00:49:43.000 so many lives over the past four years. And I'm sure that they're shocked, Steve, because I was in
00:49:51.060 courtrooms leading up to Election Day, seeing how they're treating J6ers. There was no indication
00:49:56.860 that they thought for a minute Donald Trump would win, that the January 6th, what they call the Capitol
00:50:02.520 siege investigation, would end, that pardons would take place, and furthermore, the tables turned,
00:50:10.060 as you said, the hunted becoming the hunters, which is precisely what's happening.
00:50:16.760 Mark Zayed, the lawyer, he's actually saying that Brother Jack Smith should exit the country
00:50:24.280 starting the afternoon of the 20th of January. Am I correct in saying that that's what he said?
00:50:29.180 He did not say it specifically, but Mark Zayed, as you know, the lawyer who represented Eric
00:50:36.240 Kiaramella, sorry, it's been a while since I've said his name, the so-called whistleblower in
00:50:43.460 Ukrainegate that prompted the first impeachment of Donald Trump, also Mark Zayed, just a long-time
00:50:49.100 dirty, dumb operative, openly recommending that people who fear prosecution, and this is DOJ officials,
00:50:57.400 but also past officials from the national security state, John Brennan, Jim Clapper. He also listed
00:51:03.500 Liz Cheney, this article in Politico listed Liz Cheney, to leave the country around Inauguration Day.
00:51:10.080 Now, why would he say that? Is he saying, well, these officials, former and current, should wait to see
00:51:16.520 what Donald Trump does on Inauguration Day, sign executive orders related to pardons or investigations?
00:51:23.580 Also, his acting attorney general and acting DCUS attorney, more importantly, will really decide how to
00:51:31.580 investigate those offices, right? Main justice, the special counsel's office, and then the DCUS attorney
00:51:38.020 investigating what happened in that office with those prosecutors and investigate. Are they going to
00:51:42.980 wait to see what happens the first few days and decide from there if they're going to become
00:51:47.080 fugitives and not return? Keep in mind, Steve, where was Jack Smith and David Harbaugh, also one of his
00:51:54.520 top prosecutors in a classified documents case that I covered? They were at the Hague in 2022,
00:52:01.620 overseeing the war crimes trial of the former president of Kosovo. Mayor Garland dispatched them here
00:52:08.460 from the U.S., they could easily go back.
00:52:11.060 Julie, just hang here for one second. You'll hold through the break. Tina Peters' lawyer,
00:52:17.100 Jeff Clark, will still be here. Tina Peters' lawyer is going to join us. And Brian Costello,
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