Bannon's War Room - November 22, 2024


Episode 4075： Salting The Earth With The Remains Of The Deep State


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Former FBI Director Christopher Wray joins Jemele to discuss his time at the agency and what the FBI needs to do in order to regain trust from the American people and regain their confidence in the agency's ability to do its job.

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00:00:00.000 What does the FBI think of when they hear a comment like that?
00:00:05.000 You know, it's terrifying. It's frightening.
00:00:09.680 I have a lot of conversations with former colleagues,
00:00:14.300 people who are or were in the intelligence and law enforcement community
00:00:18.660 and may have worked in the Obama administration and other places.
00:00:23.100 And people are really trying to assess, like,
00:00:25.080 what is life going to be like if Donald Trump wins a second term?
00:00:29.060 And on a very personal level, I mean,
00:00:31.420 these are torturous discussions with their family members
00:00:34.320 about whether or not they have to leave the country
00:00:36.740 to avoid being unconstitutionally and illegally detained.
00:00:41.640 I mean, people are actually worried about being thrown in jail
00:00:45.020 or grabbed in some sort of extrajudicial detention.
00:00:49.160 And I think, you know, as crazy as this sounds in the United States of America,
00:00:52.420 I think people should really consider that these are possibilities.
00:00:57.300 Listen to what the man says.
00:00:58.920 He typically does what he says, as crazy as it seems.
00:01:03.340 And that's really all the indicators you need.
00:01:06.000 So let's talk about the FBI director.
00:01:07.660 Your background in the FBI.
00:01:09.140 Prior to that, it was the military.
00:01:10.700 Then you were the intelligence.
00:01:12.160 When you sit down with the president, it's confidential.
00:01:14.820 But what is your pitch to replace Christopher Wray?
00:01:19.020 Yeah.
00:01:19.460 And, of course, the president hasn't said he's going to do that yet.
00:01:22.120 But I and those deliberations probably were ongoing.
00:01:25.140 So I couldn't talk about any of those things.
00:01:26.980 But listen, the Bureau has lost confidence in the American people.
00:01:30.880 This is a tragedy.
00:01:31.840 You think of the serious problems we have, Brian, with human trafficking, 30,000 people in this country illegally who have been convicted of rape or murder.
00:01:41.580 This is where the FBI should be applying its resources.
00:01:45.320 It should not be engaged in politics.
00:01:48.060 And the culture of the FBI on the seventh floor needs to be changed.
00:01:53.720 And that has to have a kind of a reckoning.
00:01:56.380 You know, you can you can cure the cancer without killing the patient.
00:01:59.260 And that's exactly what needs to happen at the FBI.
00:02:01.380 With Pam Bondi, who understands how to go after fentanyl problems, who understands how to use the Department of Justice and prosecution of these cases, with a functioning FBI that is not focused on politics, that is actually focused on crimes that are happening in neighborhoods that are destroying lives.
00:02:20.500 That's kind of the thing that needs to happen.
00:02:23.140 And it's somebody who has been out there and put bracelets on people and done investigations from stem to stern.
00:02:30.000 I mean, I think that helps because you understand how you get agents refocused to their purpose.
00:02:35.920 And there's a lot of agents that want to get back to work.
00:02:38.420 The thing about if you talk to President Trump on or off camera, he'll say to you, I don't want to blanket criticize the FBI because he knows the agents.
00:02:46.380 And there's a huge difference between the agents out in the field, 35,000, and the ones that are in the building.
00:02:52.260 The Andy McCabe's of the world that clearly had a huge problem.
00:02:55.800 Peter Strzok had a huge problem with Trump as president.
00:02:58.820 And we saw the laptop being dropped off with Biden as president.
00:03:03.040 I don't want to go over the mechanics of that.
00:03:04.920 But the fact that there's people at the FBI that would look at a laptop and just keep it quiet till after the election.
00:03:12.820 How do you get rid of a culture that's almost waiting for somebody to challenge it?
00:03:18.380 Yeah, well, here's the good news.
00:03:20.260 I know how to challenge it and how to refocus them.
00:03:22.640 And some of this and that cultural rot has got to go.
00:03:26.360 Any personal animus that somebody would have politically that is still engaged in doing investigations is in the wrong business.
00:03:33.140 You know, the FBI, when I was in the FBI, we didn't have these problems because you never I didn't even know have what my the political affiliation was with everybody on my organized crime squad.
00:03:42.180 I couldn't tell you, you know, you had some ideas, but nobody talked about it.
00:03:45.640 Nobody talked about a president.
00:03:46.840 Nobody talked about what that president should or shouldn't be doing.
00:03:50.040 We were focused on what the FBI is supposed to do.
00:03:53.320 Listen, that's exactly what the FBI needs.
00:03:55.700 You have to change the culture at the top.
00:03:57.720 You have to get rid of all of these folks.
00:03:59.780 The public integrity unit unit has been trying to criminalize politics for the last 20 years.
00:04:05.100 That needs to be revamped.
00:04:06.960 All of that has to happen, has to happen soon.
00:04:09.720 And again, here's the good news.
00:04:11.000 If agents are really willing to get back to work, there's plenty of places they can go to get back to work and doing the things that made the FBI the premier law enforcement agency in the world.
00:04:20.560 So it can still be that.
00:04:22.860 But boy, does it need leadership and it needs to clean out the rot that's happening in the senior levels of the FBI as we watch it happen today.
00:04:30.080 What do you make of the combination here?
00:04:32.260 Because that's kind of been the struggle is Trump wants someone who can get confirmed by the Senate.
00:04:36.740 I mean, especially given what played out today.
00:04:39.060 But also he wants someone who is going to go in there and do what he wants.
00:04:43.560 And he's been encouraged by a lot of people on the right to put Cash Patel in.
00:04:47.880 What would a combination of that look like, do you think?
00:04:50.680 So in my estimation, Caitlin, no part of the FBI's mission is safe with Cash Patel in any position of leadership in the FBI and certainly not in the deputy director's job.
00:05:04.160 So just as an example, the deputy director's job in the FBI is unique because, of course, the director is a political appointee and the deputy director is typically a senior FBI agent.
00:05:16.880 Somebody spent their entire career learning about the FBI.
00:05:20.680 Understanding its people and doing its work.
00:05:22.940 So the deputy director actually runs the FBI on a day to day basis.
00:05:27.840 You're essentially the chief operating officer.
00:05:30.360 I can tell you from my own experience, there is no way I could have successfully performed in that role without having spent the first 10 years of my career doing criminal work in the FBI and the next 10 years doing national security work.
00:05:44.920 The scope of authority is enormous.
00:05:47.660 I think I had about 78 or 80 direct reports when I served as FBI deputy director.
00:05:54.320 Fifty-six of those people ran entire field offices.
00:05:58.160 So you are enmeshed in every aspect of the FBI's work.
00:06:02.700 If you enter into that position with nothing more than a desire to disrupt and destroy the organization,
00:06:09.200 there is a lot of damage someone like Kash Patel could do in a position like deputy director at the FBI.
00:06:16.880 This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
00:06:25.320 Pray for our enemies.
00:06:27.280 Because we're going medieval on these people.
00:06:30.540 You're just not going to get a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.
00:06:34.800 The people have had a belly full of it.
00:06:36.720 I know you don't like hearing that.
00:06:38.140 I know you've tried to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.
00:06:40.820 It's going to happen.
00:06:41.880 And where do people like that go to share the big line?
00:06:45.500 Mega Media.
00:06:46.840 I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
00:06:52.300 Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
00:06:56.040 If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
00:07:02.380 War Room.
00:07:03.260 Here's your host, Stephen K. Band.
00:07:05.560 Okay, and welcome to Friday, 22 November, Year of the Lord, 2024.
00:07:15.920 Important, I think, discussions, one might even say fights all over with Treasury and this issue about recess appointments.
00:07:27.220 Of course, you have both inter-squad scrimmages going on, let me say, inter-squad scrimmages or fights.
00:07:38.240 And then you've got huge battles against the resistance and up on Capitol Hill.
00:07:42.020 We're going to walk through all of it as we try to drive the narrative and assist the transition here for President Trump's, you know, massive, incredible victory.
00:07:51.840 Jack Posobiec, first things first.
00:07:53.260 We may do a little wet work today, Jack.
00:07:54.960 It just, you know, we've got to talk about Mark Rowan.
00:07:57.980 How do we have a progressive Democrat?
00:08:00.200 How do we have a progressive Democrat that they're even considering being Secretary of the Treasury?
00:08:04.060 I don't know.
00:08:06.040 Right?
00:08:07.140 And this is not about Mark Rowan.
00:08:08.540 Mark Rowan is actually a quite brilliant guy.
00:08:10.480 This is about Apollo and everything that comes, all the baggage, all the deal baggage that comes with Apollo.
00:08:15.400 So Rowan himself, in and of himself, is a bright guy and I hear a good guy.
00:08:19.600 But it's not about him.
00:08:20.720 It's about the organization he runs.
00:08:22.460 But we have many, many other fights like that.
00:08:25.660 I want to start with the FBI, Cash Patel, but particularly Mike Rogers.
00:08:29.320 So, Poso, in what universe?
00:08:32.740 And folks, understand something.
00:08:34.980 This is why we had the great Carly Bonet on yesterday. 1.00
00:08:39.520 As Carly delineated, she could already tell that the Murdoch, you know, the Fox couch was getting jiggy on Gates.
00:08:48.720 They had flipped on Gates.
00:08:50.040 And you saw shortly thereafter, Gates is gone.
00:08:53.640 The best of the best.
00:08:56.080 Gates is gone.
00:08:56.740 Today, they're coming out hard.
00:08:59.240 I mean, Murdoch is selling Rogers.
00:09:01.200 It's a hard sell.
00:09:03.660 In what universe does this make sense for President Trump as the chief magistrate of the United States in the MAGA movement overall, in America First overall, Jack Posovic?
00:09:16.120 Steve, I got to tell you, that Mike Rogers interview this morning on Fox News was probably the best one I've ever seen.
00:09:25.920 Wow.
00:09:26.120 I'd love if that Mike Rogers were the one that had been there all along.
00:09:30.380 But unfortunately, this guy's up there, you know, today saying, oh, I love, you know, President Trump and that seventh floor over there.
00:09:39.420 They need a reality check and they need an attitude adjustment.
00:09:42.240 And we got to we got to clean out the cancer.
00:09:44.120 So, wow, that's incredible.
00:09:45.200 Except, oh, wait a minute.
00:09:46.580 I've got all the receipts on Mike Rogers.
00:09:50.220 And let me just tell you something.
00:09:52.020 You have been weighed and measured and you have been found wanting.
00:09:57.380 OK, this guy was all in on Russiagate.
00:10:01.160 This guy was all in on the wiretapping of Trump Tower the first time.
00:10:06.020 Who knows with if Mar-a-Lago is being wiretapped right now?
00:10:09.020 I don't even know, but I wouldn't put it past any of these guys.
00:10:12.480 And Mike Rogers is sitting there the entire time hanging out with James Clapper, hanging out with John Brennan, sitting next to General Michael Hayden of the NSA.
00:10:21.240 But hang on.
00:10:21.680 The NSA.
00:10:22.100 But hang on.
00:10:22.760 No.
00:10:23.340 No, hang on.
00:10:23.900 No, hang on.
00:10:24.240 No, hang on.
00:10:26.780 The billet, you got to make sure people understand the context.
00:10:30.900 The billet, he was House Intel chairman.
00:10:35.100 He was deep in bed with these guys.
00:10:36.980 It was Devin Nunez after we won Devin Nunez, right?
00:10:40.520 I think I think took over here or Rogers, one of the senior guys.
00:10:43.760 That's why he was in bed with these guys from the beginning.
00:10:46.360 Devin Nunez became the chairman of the House Intel Committee and actually started to dig into the truth about what was coming together in terms of Russiagate and in terms of James Comey.
00:10:58.180 By the way, it was Mike Rogers who came up.
00:11:01.520 I was there.
00:11:02.440 I was literally physically in the White House on the day that Comey got fired.
00:11:06.980 I was there.
00:11:07.320 Tanya Tay was there, too, by the way.
00:11:09.120 And we were there.
00:11:10.100 We get the news.
00:11:11.660 Run back to the room.
00:11:12.660 It's all coming down.
00:11:13.460 We've got the briefing sheet.
00:11:14.760 And then all of a sudden, all of a sudden, who goes up on TV?
00:11:17.860 It's Mike Rogers.
00:11:18.920 And Mike Rogers on TV saying, I don't believe any of this stuff about Comey.
00:11:22.080 I think he's a good man.
00:11:23.520 He's a good man.
00:11:24.340 We should believe him.
00:11:25.400 We should believe Comey.
00:11:26.560 He's great.
00:11:27.300 No.
00:11:28.000 Comey was lying.
00:11:29.040 They were all lying.
00:11:29.960 The whole thing was alive.
00:11:31.120 And by the way, we what do we find out now?
00:11:33.900 And Solomon's got the reports and Lee Smith and some of the other guys have the reports that this was even going on before they had the Steele dossier, that the Steele dossier comes up later because they heard that Comey was looking for reasons to investigate Trump.
00:11:48.900 OK, so let's go back and let's let's be serious here for a minute.
00:11:52.980 These guys are trying to take out the populist nationalist movement.
00:11:57.760 Full stop.
00:11:58.860 Mike Rogers is someone who played footsies and patty cake with them the entire time.
00:12:04.780 So, yeah, they're all slipping and sliding on the couch over there on on Fox this morning.
00:12:08.600 But look, I'm not buying it because I've got the receipts and because, yes, I actually watched the great Caitlin Collins show last night.
00:12:16.860 Oh, that was a wonderful show to watch.
00:12:18.600 And who do I see up there praising and extolling Mike Rogers?
00:12:22.240 It's Andy McCabe, Andy McCabe, who was fired, by the way, not fired because of his politics, fired because of his lies, fired because of his corruption and fired because of his actions.
00:12:36.180 That was justice.
00:12:37.500 That's why he was fired three days before his pension.
00:12:39.400 And let's go back, by the way, Steve, you just you just buried the lead there, Steve, because when Devin Nunez was made House Intel chairman ahead of Mike Rogers, who did Devin Nunez appoint to write the memo to be the lead investigator into Russiagate?
00:12:56.760 Who was the guy?
00:12:57.780 This is what it all comes back to.
00:12:59.420 Who was the guy?
00:13:00.280 Oh, right.
00:13:00.760 It was a guy by the guy.
00:13:02.140 I got a guy named Patel.
00:13:03.660 Cash Patel.
00:13:05.460 You got to remember how corrupt this was, folks.
00:13:08.660 Hang on, hang on.
00:13:09.560 I'm going to take it a step farther.
00:13:11.340 When I was down and grilled for 25 or 30 hours in the skiff, Paul Ryan had removed Devin Nunez from head of the committee, a committee the Republicans controlled, and put Trey Gowdy in charge with the Republicans.
00:13:27.780 This is Paul Ryan, put his bitch Trey Gowdy in charge and let Shifty Shift and Swalwell run it. 1.00
00:13:34.720 Okay.
00:13:35.120 I was there and I got the legal bills to show it.
00:13:38.420 This is how corrupt it is.
00:13:39.720 And they tried to ice out cash.
00:13:41.740 Paul Ryan, who's on the board with the Murdochs right now, this is a Murdoch's power play.
00:13:46.280 This is a Murdoch's power play.
00:13:48.140 100%.
00:13:48.580 They want to take over this.
00:13:50.640 They want to take over the Trump administration underneath President Trump and surround him with a bunch of spongy, and I got a problem. 1.00
00:13:59.420 I want to cut the kill me thing.
00:14:00.380 Kill me, you're dead wrong about this.
00:14:03.140 President Trump is livid about the FBI as an institution.
00:14:07.320 And brother, if there's so many great FBI agents, where are the whistleblowers?
00:14:12.620 Why didn't they step forward and stop, you know, the assaults on the right to life people, the parents?
00:14:17.640 Where were they?
00:14:18.100 Why didn't they come forward?
00:14:19.940 You're saying 35,000 are all good except for a couple of bad eggs.
00:14:22.800 No.
00:14:23.100 This is, once again, the Fox den.
00:14:24.820 It's not replacing just bad people.
00:14:26.960 We're going to go through brick by brick.
00:14:29.400 We're going to take the FBI down, and we're going to rebuild it into something that serves the American people.
00:14:35.600 We're not listening to Fox.
00:14:37.280 Fox is poison.
00:14:38.860 It's the Murdoch's neocon, neoliberal poison into the system.
00:14:43.380 And we're going to fight that every step, expose it and fight it every step.
00:14:46.840 So it's much more poisonous than MSNBC, the hate network.
00:14:52.160 Okay.
00:14:54.160 Ready for a throwdown on a Friday?
00:14:56.100 We're going to have a throwdown on a Friday.
00:14:57.760 Post is going to stick with us.
00:14:58.860 Next.
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00:16:20.260 Rogers is a totally reasonable, logical selection for FBI director.
00:16:26.960 In fact, that's the decision President-elect Trump makes.
00:16:30.300 I had many interactions with then-Representative Rogers.
00:16:37.500 During his time as chairman of the House Intelligence Committee.
00:16:41.500 So he's, as you mentioned, someone with history with the FBI.
00:16:45.040 He understands the organization.
00:16:46.880 He served as an FBI agent for several years before he went off on his political career.
00:16:50.900 He, in his capacity in the House, I think the strongest qualification in my own opinion about Mr. Rogers is the respect and awareness and knowledge that he has for the intelligence community, for the work they do, for the seriousness of that work, for how those secrets and that sensitive information needs to be protected.
00:17:17.300 So in all those counts, I think Mike Rogers fills the bill pretty well.
00:17:21.880 The thing about, if you talk to President Trump on or off camera, he'll say to you, I don't want to blanket criticize the FBI because he knows the agents.
00:17:30.620 And there's a huge difference between the agents out in the field, 35,000, and the ones that are in the building.
00:17:36.460 The Andy McCabe's of the world that clearly had a huge problem.
00:17:39.660 Peter Strzok had a huge problem with Trump as president.
00:17:42.880 And we saw the laptop being dropped off with Biden as president.
00:17:47.120 I don't want to go over the mechanics of that.
00:17:48.960 But the fact that there's.
00:17:49.920 OK, these are these are these are the ways this is the why this is the way Washington is what it is.
00:17:57.120 This is why all these Republicans come up here and you voted him in and work for him and gave him money.
00:18:01.740 And you're disappointed.
00:18:02.880 Why?
00:18:03.280 This is the way the game's played.
00:18:04.540 No, kill me.
00:18:05.280 You were absolutely dead wrong.
00:18:06.620 You couldn't be more dead wrong.
00:18:09.780 It's not a couple of guys at the top.
00:18:11.980 It's a systemic problem.
00:18:14.260 Where are the 35,000?
00:18:15.420 Where are the whistleblowers?
00:18:17.080 Why do they not come forward?
00:18:19.480 After World War Two, didn't we didn't we hold accountable the SS guys?
00:18:23.740 Hey, if you're a Gestapo.
00:18:25.940 Oh, I was just taking orders.
00:18:27.540 I, you know, I had I've just taken orders.
00:18:29.360 Is that cool?
00:18:30.700 No, it is systemic inside that apparatus.
00:18:34.960 It's been turned into a political police force.
00:18:39.760 Kill me.
00:18:40.420 They get people in Danbury, men in Danbury.
00:18:43.100 They're the holiest, best men I've ever seen that the FBI jackbooted, kicked their doors in, dragged them out like common criminals.
00:18:51.420 Then they get three, four or five years for praying the rosary outside of abortion clinics.
00:18:57.520 You got you got the parents at the school boards.
00:19:01.520 No, sir.
00:19:02.320 Where are the whistleblowers?
00:19:03.240 Kill me.
00:19:03.580 Where are you?
00:19:04.240 Thirty five thousand.
00:19:05.020 Where are they?
00:19:06.320 Where are they?
00:19:07.460 You got a handful.
00:19:08.740 Posobiec.
00:19:10.520 And Posobiec, Mike Rogers, he's tapping you along, too.
00:19:13.080 Oh, I can do it.
00:19:13.960 No, no, no.
00:19:14.940 You think McCabe's you think McCabe in this crowd is afraid of Mike Rogers?
00:19:18.500 They're selling him.
00:19:19.920 They're trying to sell him as they're trying to normalize him.
00:19:23.220 So the cash Patel and the real heroes and the patriots, because Jack, isn't what this come down to?
00:19:30.420 Patriots versus people that are, let's be blunt.
00:19:33.420 McCabe's guilty of treason.
00:19:35.460 He's got to be investigated, tried, and then whatever happens, happens.
00:19:39.820 And that's why he's that's why he's wetting himself.
00:19:41.800 We start thinking he's wetting himself on CNN, thinking he'll leave in the country.
00:19:45.320 Jack Posobiec.
00:19:46.240 No, he'll he'll be leaving the country with the rest of the Diddy celebrities from the Diddy parties.
00:19:52.140 Take your little Diddy spoon with you there, Andy McCabe.
00:19:55.180 Look, at the end of the day, it's it goes to show you how profoundly dumb Andy McCabe is.
00:20:00.460 Oh, I got 70 to 80 direct reports.
00:20:02.380 Look at me.
00:20:02.820 I'm so smart.
00:20:03.520 No, you're so dumb because you're going to sit there and endorse Mike Rogers and say, oh, this guy is great.
00:20:10.240 That's the kiss of death, dude.
00:20:11.600 That's the kiss of death.
00:20:12.580 And then meanwhile, you turn around and you attack Kash Patel.
00:20:16.340 Now you're going to have people turn around saying, wait a minute, wait, wait, wait a minute.
00:20:19.280 Hold on a second.
00:20:19.960 Hold up.
00:20:20.380 Wait, wait, wait.
00:20:21.380 If one of the worst absolute people is attacking Kash Patel, is terrified of Kash Patel, doesn't want Kash Patel in there, opening up documents, unsealing things, finding out what you've done in your FBI archives.
00:20:37.580 That's why they got the big shredders out there right now.
00:20:40.200 They don't want Kash Patel doing.
00:20:41.480 And look at what Kash Patel was able to do when he was just the investigative director of the House on the House side of the House Intel Committee.
00:20:51.460 All right.
00:20:51.760 That's a legislative function.
00:20:53.000 That's not even an executive branch.
00:20:54.240 Now, he eventually made it to the NSC and he was bounced around a little bit in the admin at the end there.
00:20:59.820 But imagine if you actually put him right there in the J. Edgar Hoover building.
00:21:06.440 And something that a lot of not a lot of people know about Kash, Kash spent 10 years as a public defender.
00:21:10.580 All right.
00:21:11.640 Kash wasn't some guy who's some Johnny-come-lately sitting there going, oh, well, you know, I'm against this stuff because it's Trump.
00:21:17.500 No, no, no.
00:21:17.980 He helped out regular people.
00:21:19.740 He helped out the same type of people that Steve Bannon is talking about here in Danbury Prison that the FBI went after, wrongfully accused or trumped up charges or went after on the barest of circumstances and went after them, barest of pretexts.
00:21:34.120 And Kash helped those people.
00:21:35.580 So they do not want a guy like that actually looking over the books, checking your homework, checking the math.
00:21:44.540 That's why they don't want to Kash Patel in there. 0.89
00:21:46.340 And by the way, show me – by the way, you know, the controversial Kash Patel.
00:21:50.160 That's the other one they keep saying.
00:21:51.060 The controversial – what controversies?
00:21:53.240 What controversies has Kash done other than exposed what they have done?
00:21:57.760 See, that's controversial to CNN and Caitlyn Collins.
00:22:01.520 The controversy is what?
00:22:03.040 The whole J6 – the guy is completely patriot.
00:22:05.720 He exposed all – he's not some party boy either.
00:22:08.400 He's not one of these party boys.
00:22:10.140 They try to Shanghai – they try to Shanghai President Trump about J6.
00:22:15.000 He was there.
00:22:16.460 He knows where all the bodies are buried in J6. 0.98
00:22:19.040 Come on, man.
00:22:21.040 This is – but here's the point for the audience.
00:22:24.560 Watch Fox.
00:22:26.540 You see the moves they're making.
00:22:28.280 They want to surround President Trump with the worst because it's all performative.
00:22:33.000 They're going to be performative of what they're going to do, but nothing's going to change.
00:22:35.780 In fact, it's going to get worse.
00:22:38.020 So until – and by the way, I want to thank Dan – go ahead, sir.
00:22:42.180 Did we elect Rupert Murdoch?
00:22:43.400 Did Rupert Murdoch win all the swing states and the popular vote and all of the bellwether counties?
00:22:49.640 Was that Rupert Murdoch who did that?
00:22:51.300 Because I think it was somebody else.
00:22:52.740 I think it was somebody named Donald J. Trump.
00:22:54.640 Donald J. Trump who ran ahead of Dave McCormick in the Collar counties of Philadelphia, by the way.
00:22:59.240 When everybody said he couldn't do it, it was Donald Trump who won the suburbs.
00:23:03.240 It wasn't anybody else, and it certainly wasn't Rupert Murdoch.
00:23:08.000 James Murdoch had a fundraiser for Biden.
00:23:11.320 It's reported in Woodward's book, and it has not been – the Murdochs have not come out and said it's wrong.
00:23:15.020 In October 22, when we're in a dogfight to take control of the house from Nancy Pelosi, he has a fundraiser for those guys, they're neoliberal.
00:23:24.600 They play both sides, and they sucker in the right. 0.96
00:23:27.540 But this thing they did today on Rogers exposes them 100 percent for what they are, okay?
00:23:34.640 And we haven't seen – I want to thank Dan Scavino.
00:23:38.040 Dan Scavino went to the president.
00:23:40.220 Dan's the best of the best.
00:23:41.440 And the president is – Dan's put out a thing saying no way on Mike Rogers.
00:23:44.700 But, hey, Dan, we love you, brother.
00:23:47.320 But the war room – we believe in Carthaginian peace of the – like the Romans.
00:23:51.820 Rough Roman justice and the Carthaginian peace.
00:23:54.580 We've got to salt the earth around this.
00:23:56.900 So it's like a – these people are like vampires.
00:23:58.780 They keep coming back, right?
00:24:00.400 We've got to salt the earth around the Rogers situation.
00:24:03.460 And, look, it's not that Mike Rogers is not an okay guy and he ran for Senate, and we kind of supported that because it wasn't a primary, and President Trump thought he could win in Michigan.
00:24:12.640 That's fine, but this is different.
00:24:14.020 This is different.
00:24:15.300 And my question to the FBI agents, where are you?
00:24:18.300 Why are you not coming forward?
00:24:20.180 Forward.
00:24:21.980 You know, you're supposed to be such great guys.
00:24:23.720 Prove it.
00:24:24.580 Prove it.
00:24:25.060 Now's your time to prove it because McCabe's going down, Comey's going down, Ray's going down, Merrick Garland's going down, Lisa Monaco's going down.
00:24:35.220 Why do you think they're reporting that Morning Mika is running down to Mar-a-Lago?
00:24:39.680 The Daily Mail leads stories.
00:24:41.000 They're worried about the investigation into the dead intern, right?
00:24:47.340 They report – I think it was Axios or Politico reports that Garland was stunned because he's watching MSN.
00:24:54.940 You see, he's stunned on Tuesday the 5th that Trump won and that there was weeping among the senior lawyers at the Justice Department.
00:25:05.400 Why?
00:25:06.560 They understand.
00:25:07.600 In fact, I'll play that clip here in a minute before I get Jeff Clark on.
00:25:11.380 Poso, two things before I let you go, and I thank you for doing this.
00:25:15.140 And by the way, Cash is the man.
00:25:17.500 Government Gangsters is the film.
00:25:19.120 Cash is the man.
00:25:20.600 He stood by President Trump.
00:25:21.860 He knows where all the bodies are buried.
00:25:23.240 He's got plenty of gravitas, more so than the guys they're talking about.
00:25:27.900 Tell me about – we got Viktor Orban in Hungary with Netanyahu, and we got the Russians. 0.71
00:25:34.020 It looks like in reports, are they about to light up Poland, the American missile bases sites in Poland?
00:25:39.220 Is this thing metastasizing in front of us, Jack?
00:25:43.020 Well, Steve, here's what's going on regarding Russia, regarding obviously Orban.
00:25:47.760 He's played a bit of a middleman between NATO and Russia throughout the entire Ukraine war.
00:25:53.060 He said that he doesn't want war.
00:25:54.160 He wants peace deals.
00:25:54.960 He's kept at a great controversy.
00:25:57.060 He's kept some of the oil contracts going, Russia, and so the basic through line of all of this –
00:26:04.760 and yet, of course, bringing Netanyahu over in defiance of this ICC, this ICC warrant,
00:26:09.360 which has come down for himself and the plebiscite and Israeli military defense –
00:26:13.540 that what they're doing is they're offering us two doors.
00:26:18.180 There's two doors before us right now.
00:26:20.100 There's the door of Donald Trump and Tulsi Gabbard and peace,
00:26:24.420 and we're not going to go down World War III, but the Russians are telling us,
00:26:28.300 like they've told us from the very start, that if you want a wider war,
00:26:32.880 we are more than happy to give you one because the Russians have changed their nuclear stance now.
00:26:37.700 They've changed their nuclear readiness posture to this.
00:26:40.360 If you threaten Russia, then we can use nuclear arms as a preemptive first strike to defend the motherland. 0.92
00:26:47.420 And look, if you know anything about Russia – I say this as a Polish guy –
00:26:50.680 you know anything about Russia, there's one thing that they will always go to absolute war for,
00:26:56.340 and that's to defend the motherland.
00:26:58.080 Look what they did to Napoleon.
00:26:59.260 Look what they did to Hitler.
00:27:00.440 You really want to start with these guys?
00:27:02.260 Come on.
00:27:05.300 Amen.
00:27:06.320 By the way, our ally, the Russian people, our ally that took, I don't know,
00:27:09.640 35 or 40 million casualties in World War II.
00:27:12.200 Jack, real quickly, Viktor Orban in Hungary, he's embracing Netanyahu and going against the ICC, right?
00:27:22.080 100%.
00:27:22.480 So Viktor Orban is thumbing his nose and saying, look, no, we are going to be on side with this.
00:27:28.460 We are going to defend civilization.
00:27:30.040 We are on the side of those who are against barbarism, and that's what this is about.
00:27:35.420 The Judeo-Christian West. 0.58
00:27:36.640 Jack, where do people follow you on Twitter, sir?
00:27:39.100 Of course, I'll be up on Twitter, at Jack Posobiec, all day, human events, daily, here at later 2 p.m.
00:27:46.120 Shout out to the great Dan Scavino.
00:27:47.980 By the way, Steve, I think Dan Scavino lives a little close to Elise Stefanik's district.
00:27:52.120 Kind of interesting about that, huh?
00:27:56.300 Ha, ha, ha.
00:27:58.720 You want to talk about exploding heads?
00:28:00.300 I love that one, baby.
00:28:01.340 By the way, to the deep state, to the deep state, to the deep state,
00:28:05.480 if you want to find out what our plans for you are, go ask the Carthaginians. 0.98
00:28:10.100 The Carthaginians, I love it.
00:28:11.840 A Carthaginian peace.
00:28:13.380 We're going to salt the earth around these guys.
00:28:16.740 Short break.
00:28:17.680 Jeff Clark on the other side.
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00:29:47.000 Public institutions the most are the most enthusiastic about fresh eyes and reform.
00:29:53.420 But I think what's so stark is that what he's making clear there is that that's not what they're doing at all.
00:29:59.680 It is about rubble.
00:30:01.380 It is about destroying these agencies.
00:30:05.600 Yeah, I think that there are two insights there that are just worth kind of sitting on.
00:30:09.140 One is an observation about this incoming administration and what they want to do.
00:30:13.140 And it's plain as day.
00:30:14.340 They say they want to dismantle the administrative state.
00:30:18.460 That is their plan.
00:30:19.880 It is their stated goal.
00:30:21.280 And I don't think that they care about whether there will be some shrapnel or some ancillary damage related to that.
00:30:29.460 And so I think that's something that people should be alarmed about.
00:30:32.580 And I think it's a clear-eyed assessment of what the incoming administration wants to do.
00:30:37.240 The second part of that is sort of the more interesting part for me, right?
00:30:40.380 Because the Democrats then get put in this box, right?
00:30:44.540 And I think it's one of the things that they struggled with during the election was Democrats and us, never-Trumpers, anti-pro-democracy types, are always in the position of having to defend these institutions and be the institutionalists and be someone that's like, we should keep the administrative state.
00:31:01.600 It's like, well, the administrative state's not that popular, for starters.
00:31:04.560 These elite institutions, many of them, the military says, but others aren't that popular.
00:31:08.100 And so finding a way to talk about what Millie just talked about, about how, yes, we need to reform, not destroy, I think that's a big challenge for the rest of us in the coming years.
00:31:20.240 Jeff Rosen and a bunch of other officials threatened to resign when Trump tried to put in Jeff Clark in 2020, who was also going to push the big lie.
00:31:27.880 So I think she has more management experience.
00:31:30.900 I think she's much smoother.
00:31:32.240 And I think she's got a good chance of being confirmed.
00:31:34.860 So she's much smoother than Gates, but she might follow the same things.
00:31:40.760 There was, I was quick, like everybody, looking at clippings.
00:31:43.220 At one point, she was decrying Jack Smith and the prosecutors, the people who they've talked about prosecuting.
00:31:48.800 And she called all of these people, Jack Smith, horrible people who had weaponized the Justice Department.
00:31:54.640 So we don't know.
00:31:56.900 I've talked to current Justice Department officials before this was announced, and they were all hiring lawyers.
00:32:02.160 Do you think, I mean, given the record of what she's done and what she said and, you know, sort of where her loyalties lie, do you imagine that that's going to have a tangible result on the staffing at the Department of Justice?
00:32:15.480 I mean, people, you're saying they're lawyering up.
00:32:17.760 Jack Smith is leaving.
00:32:19.380 Do you think that there's going to be an exodus, a significant exodus, if someone like Pam Bondi is the head of the DOJ?
00:32:25.040 With Gates, we did not hear about a significant exodus, and he was much more of a sort of in-your-face, you know, person who, like, you investigated me, now I'm going to investigate you.
00:32:35.340 I don't think people are going to leave, and you're hearing this in different government departments, that they're going to stay, they're going to follow rules, they're not going to violate, you know, procedures are not going to violate the law.
00:32:44.700 Many of them can't leave.
00:32:45.800 They don't make a lot of money in Washington, and they're all sort of waiting for pensions and paying off mortgages.
00:32:50.680 So, and then there's two scenarios.
00:32:52.820 There could be a special counsel who would be appointed by Trump and by Pam Bondi, if she's confirmed, that would carry out long investigations.
00:33:00.940 And another thing they're pushing at heart is sort of firing.
00:33:03.380 There's a belief that there's all these liberals embedded in the career workers who work for Republicans and Democrats.
00:33:09.200 You know, I haven't found that in my reporting, but they could be trying to force out a lot of those people.
00:33:15.100 But many, many people, they don't think they'll be convicted.
00:33:17.380 You know, Jack Smith, they didn't do anything improper, but they're expecting long legal battles, more congressional investigations, and they're lowering up.
00:33:28.860 Yo, they don't think they'll be convicted.
00:33:33.640 The reason they don't think they'll be convicted is that it'll be, they'll have to, a lot of these have to take place in Washington, D.C., and of course, with these juries that are 99% progressive left-wing Democrats, all made up of government employees, are people that suck on the government tit here in the imperial capital.
00:33:53.660 That's their only, that's with these radical judges that ought to be cleaned out of the D.C. circuit, right, and the D.C. district judges, which is the most corrupt judiciary in the nation. 0.99
00:34:06.420 They don't think they will be convicted.
00:34:11.140 Didn't say they haven't done anything wrong.
00:34:13.640 Didn't say they didn't have crimes.
00:34:16.000 Jeff Clark, and this is my point.
00:34:18.580 You better lawyer up.
00:34:20.780 You got, and the guys leaving the country?
00:34:22.940 Leave the country.
00:34:23.540 You see any of us leave the country?
00:34:24.880 No.
00:34:25.660 And you bankrupt.
00:34:26.780 Look how many people got bankrupt.
00:34:29.740 Rudy's just the top.
00:34:30.860 Many, many people have been bankrupt in this process.
00:34:34.120 Millions of dollars in legal fees.
00:34:37.100 You better lawyer up, folks, because you've committed grievous crimes.
00:34:41.280 And, hey, he says, oh, they want to stay.
00:34:44.520 We're going to take a trenching tool and dig you out. 0.98
00:34:48.240 The deep state is not going to exist.
00:34:51.680 We're going to hit it with a blowtorch.
00:34:53.840 They're going to fight, and they're going to fight hard.
00:34:56.900 Jeff Clark, and one of the best ways we got it is this magnificent, and it's already controversial.
00:35:02.100 Pence and these guys are already coming out.
00:35:03.560 You're seeing all the great thing about a process like this, it exposes all the rats, right?
00:35:09.420 So walk me through first what you just saw there with McCabe and all these reporters saying, oh, my gosh, over at Justice, they're all worried about this.
00:35:18.800 You need people over there that cannot just shake up that building because it's a systemic problem.
00:35:23.540 It's just not about a few bad apples.
00:35:25.840 Murdoch and Fox are going to give you always the simplistic response.
00:35:30.420 It's a few bad apples.
00:35:31.580 You take a few bad apples, no, we have a systems problem.
00:35:35.640 And MSNBC and Tim Miller, particularly smart, and Alex Wagner, they know we've boxed them into the back.
00:35:41.420 We've boxed them into a corner.
00:35:42.720 They have to defend the indefensible.
00:35:46.100 This is why their democracy move in the election failed because the American people understand this is not working.
00:35:52.880 And more importantly, we can't afford it.
00:35:54.600 We can't afford a destructive system.
00:35:57.780 Jeff Clark.
00:36:00.120 Steve, look, the FBI needs structural reform and it needs it, you know, not just yesterday, but last year, four years ago, et cetera.
00:36:10.200 It's been trending in a very bad direction.
00:36:12.160 It needs to be carefully supervised.
00:36:15.660 It needs to be restructured so that woke Democrats are not running all parts of it and running it to run political vindictiveness operations, trying to disproportionately destroy conservatives and MAGA and populists and religious people around the country.
00:36:34.100 And there's evidence that they were doing all of those things.
00:36:36.820 We need an audit right when the Trump administration comes in of all of their political enforcement cases coming out of their public integrity units, both in DOJ's criminal division and in the FBI and how they work together.
00:36:52.680 And I want to tell you about, you know, a dangerous idea I've seen floating around in conservative circles of trying to, you know, say that you can get better FBI accountability if you only place it under a duumvirate.
00:37:08.900 And let me explain what that is.
00:37:10.480 So specifically in this instance, it's a proposal to put part of the FBI under the supervision of the assistant attorney general for the criminal division and part of the FBI under the supervision of the assistant attorney general for national security.
00:37:25.420 And, Steve, I know that you are a student of history like I am, and you know that none of the Roman duumvirates worked out very well.
00:37:33.260 What they led to was instability.
00:37:35.200 They only lasted, you know, less than a decade, the first one with Caesar, Pompeii, and Crassus, and then the second one with Octavian failed as well, right?
00:37:46.720 Like, these structures don't work.
00:37:49.120 What we need is the full-on medicine of the unitary executive.
00:37:53.000 The president is in charge of the executive branch, and there needs to be a pyramid up to him.
00:37:58.260 You know, just like he's the person where the ultimate buck stops on his desk, as Harry Truman said.
00:38:03.580 There needs to be someone for whom, you know, the buck ultimately stops in each of the cabinet agencies and the key components like the FBI.
00:38:12.560 So, you know, what they want is they—
00:38:14.900 Yeah, hang on one second.
00:38:17.440 Hang on one second.
00:38:17.860 I want to make sure the audience understands this.
00:38:20.620 In this unitary executive theory, right, it's not trying to make—they're not trying to make it supremacy over the legislative or judicial.
00:38:30.640 But inside the executive—remember, the Constitution lays out he's the chief executive of the government, he's the commander-in-chief of the armed forces, and he's—wait for it, the chief magistrate and the chief law enforcement officer.
00:38:46.040 I understand the MSNBC, they want to make that some moderate-to-left-wing attorney general like Merrick Garland and some—curtain. 0.82
00:38:53.280 That's not how it worked.
00:38:54.820 These are these post-Watergate kind of ideas that seeped into the system so that the Democrats could run the town.
00:39:01.100 Right now, what Brennan and McCabe and these guys talk about is a check and balance inside the executive by the deep state and the administrative state.
00:39:08.180 That's not going to happen.
00:39:10.040 That is over.
00:39:11.200 We're finishing that.
00:39:12.240 You don't get a check and balance over the FBI because Brennan runs CIA and Comey runs FBI.
00:39:18.280 You get a check over who the people elected to be president of the United States?
00:39:23.820 Are you kidding me?
00:39:25.760 Clark, isn't that the problem we have?
00:39:27.200 The permanent government thinks they have a check over—this is why we are the true believers in the democratic process.
00:39:34.780 And they actually believe they're anti-democratic to their core because they think they have a check on the executive branch side against the chief executive, the commander-in-chief, and the chief magistrate.
00:39:46.560 A guy called the president of the United States, Jeff Clark.
00:39:49.980 Yeah, Steve, our constitutional structure is to have three branches of government, the president who is the only branch that is one person.
00:39:57.740 Then there is Congress split into two houses to protect liberty, and then there are the courts to decide particular cases in the application of law to fact.
00:40:07.400 Those are co-equal branches.
00:40:08.940 But what they have done with this administrative state, which started in the progressive era, the theorizing for it, and people like Woodrow Wilson, and then really metastasized under the New Deal era, and then got to the point where it's really out of control after the Nixon administration.
00:40:26.640 And then they started not even doing changes to the Constitution or the statutes anymore.
00:40:32.800 They were just new norms.
00:40:34.800 It is an idea that this fourth branch, which they have functionally created, is co-equal to the president.
00:40:41.160 Or in reality, you know, as you can tell from watching these people like McCain and John Brennan, you know, John Bolton, et cetera, they think that this fourth branch is actually the superior to the president.
00:40:53.520 That the president, they want to reduce the president to what, you know, Woodrow Wilson wanted to reduce it to, except for, you know, his transitional era trying to get there, where it's kind of a ceremonial office.
00:41:06.400 That it, you know, is kind of a presider-in-chief, but not the chief magistrate, not the chief executive, not the commander-in-chief.
00:41:14.720 The military should really be ruled by the likes of, you know, the Mark Millies that flit around. 1.00
00:41:20.320 And this is not the system the framers gave us.
00:41:22.600 In order to have the energy and dispatch and control and accountability that the system, you know, gives us, because the president, he has direct legitimacy across the entire country because the people vote for the electors who put him in office.
00:41:38.040 All of the career bureaucracy, you know, the 99.9% of all the people who are GS, XYZs, whether, you know, 10, 11, 12, et cetera, up to 15, or the SES, all of these people are not elected. 0.64
00:41:53.000 They're all accountable to the president, and the president has to direct them, and they just try to create so many different systems.
00:42:01.000 I call it political science disease.
00:42:03.320 Using their new modern, you know, political science ideas, they try to frustrate the system of the Constitution that the genius framers gave us.
00:42:11.300 Jeff, can you hang on for one second?
00:42:16.100 I want to keep you here.
00:42:16.780 We got the whole thing on the recess appointments, but I also want to talk a little bit more about this fourth branch of government, the administrative state and its rogue element, the deep state, about how they've really created something that has its own courts.
00:42:31.340 It has its own ability to execute, and it has really its own ability to legislate through rules.
00:42:37.720 It's an entire government within a government, and we're at war with that, and we're going to take it down, okay?
00:42:45.320 We're going to take it down like Carthage.
00:42:48.000 We're going to take it like the Romans took Carthage down. 0.64
00:42:50.420 We're going to take it down, and we're going to salt the earth around it.
00:42:54.460 Short commercial break.
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00:42:57.320 I think maybe we may be going to a little time of turbulence, you think?
00:43:01.680 Globally, you got the Russians talking about taking out American missile sites in Poland as the border in Ukraine metastasizes.
00:43:09.780 The International Criminal Court has said that the prime minister of Israel is a criminal, and they want to roll him up.
00:43:16.920 Of course, Viktor Orban steps into the brief, says, we want you to Hungary because we believe in the Judeo-Christian West.
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00:45:19.200 Here's your host, Stephen K. Vann.
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00:45:29.340 You can tell this is a quite tough fight.
00:45:32.700 We're going to talk about judges.
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00:46:16.340 Clark, and this is where I bring the Clarks.
00:46:20.980 I went to a trade school at Harvard.
00:46:22.600 I just got my union card over at the business school.
00:46:25.800 Clark's actually educated.
00:46:26.960 He went to the college.
00:46:27.820 Clark, and Posobiec sends me from Gibbon's Decline and Fall.
00:46:34.200 After sacking the city, the Romans burned it to the ground, leaving not one stone on top of another, and then salted the earth around it.
00:46:43.460 That's what they thought, the poison of Carthage in regards to them.
00:46:47.520 You talk about the Tramorites.
00:46:50.100 Unable to actually decide and have a unitary kind of leader, the republic fell and came to an empire.
00:46:56.740 This is the fight right now.
00:46:58.720 This audience, you're the rebel forces.
00:47:00.940 You're the anti-imperial.
00:47:03.040 We're anti-system.
00:47:05.100 And Tim Miller and Alex Wagner and Chris Hayes, the smart ones over at MSNBC, understand.
00:47:12.720 We've jammed them up.
00:47:14.140 They're defenders of an imperial system.
00:47:16.240 That our founders and the revolutionary generation fought against.
00:47:21.000 And they also had enough wisdom to understand with the potentiality of North America that it could lead to empire.
00:47:32.300 And you had some guys like Hamilton, who's probably the most brilliant of them all, that, hey, maybe he was thinking maybe this is not a bad deal.
00:47:40.920 Maybe we ought to just copy what the British are doing but do it our way. 1.00
00:47:45.080 That's what we're fighting here.
00:47:46.380 However, this is metastasizing to an imperial power.
00:47:50.220 That's for the administrative state.
00:47:51.200 Talk about the fourth branch, the administrative state, because what they've created since the progressive era but really since the New Deal and World War II is in broad daylight, the fourth branch of government does everything.
00:48:06.020 They have their own ability.
00:48:07.120 They have their rules.
00:48:08.300 They really legislate because the laws are written but they're kind of general.
00:48:11.880 They put the rules in that define it, okay, they have their legislative branch.
00:48:17.100 Then they have their executive branch including their own enforcement.
00:48:20.100 IRA has got enforcement.
00:48:21.240 EPA has got enforcement.
00:48:22.880 And they have their own courts.
00:48:24.180 They don't have an entire administrative court system. 0.69
00:48:26.660 They have a court system bigger than the regular court system nobody even knows about.
00:48:31.020 Clark says that you literally have a fourth branch of government.
00:48:34.780 That is an entire government within a government, sir.
00:48:38.800 So, Steve, yes.
00:48:40.080 The administrative state and the deep state, which are closely allied, and I'll talk about the differences between them as I see it in a second.
00:48:48.800 But, look, I'm also a student of Latin.
00:48:51.360 And so, given how you started this segment, I have three Latin words for you.
00:48:56.640 Carthago delenda est.
00:48:58.640 Carthage must be destroyed.
00:49:00.180 And there were speeches on the Senate floor in their republic era where that was how each senate speech was ended in order to ensure that that which was such a threat to the republic was overthrown, destroyed.
00:49:16.100 We need to get back to the unitary executive system.
00:49:18.760 And accountability is one of the main reasons why, right?
00:49:22.380 If you have, you know, agencies and all these career people and it's not clear where the lines of accountability are, it always turns into a kind of this situation, right?
00:49:32.100 What, you know, where is the person who actually made this decision under the P?
00:49:36.020 It's like a shell game.
00:49:37.280 And that needs to end.
00:49:38.820 It needs to be a system that goes directly up to the president in a pyramid. 0.63
00:49:42.940 And that's what the framers gave us.
00:49:44.780 So, what has frustrated that?
00:49:46.640 There's one Supreme Court case that has frustrated that more than anything else.
00:49:50.860 And it's led to the fusion of all three sets of powers, the executive power, the legislative power, and the judicial power in one agency.
00:50:00.920 It's a case called Humphrey's Executor.
00:50:03.560 And it was decided, you know, to try to, like, brush back the New Deal, ironically, and the so-called four horsemen of the apocalypse,
00:50:11.700 who were standing in the way of the New Deal, they thought that by trying to keep in power a conservative head of the Federal Trade Commission
00:50:19.700 and not having to be removed by Roosevelt and replaced, you know, by a leftist, that they were doing good for the country.
00:50:26.020 But in reality, they gave the administrative state all the tools they needed to create these things called independent agencies.
00:50:32.880 And it's what led to this fusion of three powers, which the framers and Montesquieu, the originator of separation of powers theory,
00:50:41.840 recognizes the very definition of tyranny if you can fuse all those three powers in one.
00:50:46.480 So, the FTC, yes, it has the power to pass new regulations.
00:50:50.880 That's the lawmaking function.
00:50:52.740 To apply them to people, that's the law enforcement function.
00:50:56.260 And then to adjudicate the cases in front of their own administrative law judges.
00:51:01.220 And then it goes up to the board on appeal.
00:51:03.700 Only after that is it judicially reviewed.
00:51:06.180 The Supreme Court has been striking blows against this system.
00:51:09.220 But Humphrey's Executor needs to come down.
00:51:11.920 And I'd like to see the second Trump term not end before it is brought down.
00:51:16.640 And just last term in the Supreme Court, one other case to mention to you.
00:51:20.020 It's a big case called SEC versus Jarcacy.
00:51:22.720 And the Supreme Court held that the SEC could not run its own court system anymore for anything that was a common law fraud case.
00:51:32.360 That needs to go to the regular Article III courts.
00:51:37.320 That was a Security and Exchange Commission at the Southeast Conference.
00:51:43.000 Jeff, can you hang on?
00:51:43.960 Because we've still got the work I had you come on for, which is this massive analysis you've done of how President Trump could be the driver of the action in regards to recess appointments.
00:51:59.260 An amazing analysis you've done.
00:52:01.760 It'll be up, I think, shortly.
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00:52:37.900 Okay, packed second hour.
00:52:39.920 Natalie's going to join us.
00:52:41.140 Norm Eisen and the resistance.
00:52:42.900 We're going to talk about judges.
00:52:45.120 I think a deal was cut on Capitol Hill.
00:52:47.700 People are fleeing here to go for Thanksgiving already.
00:52:52.680 So I don't think they're going to be here, you know, chopping wood every day.
00:52:55.620 But they are down at the Transition in West Palm Beach and at Mar-a-Lago and also up here at the nation's capital.
00:53:01.600 We'll get it all to you.
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