Episode 4088: Immigrants Want Strong Border Laws
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Melissa Sanchez and Micah Rosenberg talk about how Latino voters voted for Donald Trump in 2016, and why they think he s a good fit for them. They talk about the resentment they feel toward the government's handling of the surge of immigrants entering the country, and how that resentment led to their support for Trump.
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spoke of feeling resentment as they watched the government ease the transition of large numbers
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of asylum seekers into the U.S. by giving them access to work permits, IDs, and in some cities
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spending millions of dollars to provide them with food and shelter. Melissa, you and your colleagues
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spoke with dozens of longtime immigrants, undocumented immigrants, and legal immigrants
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in the Midwest and along the Texas border. How deep is that frustration?
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You know, almost everybody that I spoke with in my reporting and in my personal life, I live here
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in Chicago, who is Latino, whose parents are immigrants or immigrants themselves, either
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express this resentment or have relatives who feel this way. So I think it's pretty overwhelming.
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It's not the driving force for every single person I talk to in terms of who they ultimately decided
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to vote for, but I think it's something that everybody is very intimately familiar with,
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this feeling of this new group of people got something that we didn't get when we got here.
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Are you surprised at the fact that your article, which highlights something so obvious for many,
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You know, I'm really glad you asked that. I think about that a lot because when I talk to people who
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look like me, who look like us, then it's not a surprise. But you talk to white folks and they are
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really surprised. A lot of Democrats, a lot of liberals feel this way. I think you just have
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to go outside and talk to an immigrant, though. It's I think it does speak to like a bit of a
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disconnect between kind of like what the party rhetoric is and what people on the ground are
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saying. And I'm you know, I'm talking to people who are immigrants almost every day. So it's it's not
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a surprise. But I think a lot of people are just completely out of touch with with what regular
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folks are saying. How do immigrants see Trump's promise of the largest deportation operation in
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U.S. history, regardless of where they stand on the differences between immigration and migrants?
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Well, I think for a long time, there was a general tolerance for irregular immigration in the country.
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And obviously, Latino communities perhaps had an even greater tolerance than more mainstream
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communities. However, I think what was different this time is, number one, the volume. And we've
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seen those images of so many people crossing the border. People really felt overwhelmed by those
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images. And then, number two, you all just discussed this issue of the benefits programs. I really do get a
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sense that of those who came perhaps decades ago, even if they came through an irregular process,
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felt that these days the benefits are just too many. I even hear this in asylum and exile communities
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like the Cuban American community, where people say, well, you know, the benefits are just too
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generous. Now, if people are coming to the country and they want to work hard and struggle like we did,
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you know, we can understand that. But the generous benefits programs, the accommodations, I think
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at a time of high inflation, that really caused a lot of tension and opposition to illegal immigration
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regime. Pray for our enemies, because we're going to medieval on these people.
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Here's when I got a free shot, all these networks lying about the people. The people have had a
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belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world
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to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen. And where do people like that go
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to share the big lie? MAGA Media. I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
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Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country,
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It's Wednesday, 27 November in the year of our Lord, 2024. Welcome to the late afternoon,
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early evening edition of the War Room. So right there, you have Melissa Sanchez
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and Micah Rosenberg from ProPublica. And ProPublica is not, it's not a pro-Trump,
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it's not a pro-Trump publication. It's sponsored, I think, source, a bunch of nefarious billionaires.
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It used to be just a research institute. I think they actually kind of a little media company now.
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The headline of this piece, this report, is Immigrants' Resentment Over New Arrivals
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Helped Boost Trump's Popularity with Latino Voters. I kid you not, this is from a left-wing
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organization. Melissa Sanchez and Micah Rosenberg. Let me repeat the headline.
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And if Grace and Moe, because this is one of the signals, not the noise. Immigrants'
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resentment over new arrivals helped boost Trump's popularity with Latino voters.
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We said this over and over again, and I think the damning thing right there on the MSNBC piece,
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and think about it, folks, they've buried this on early in the afternoon on the Wednesday before
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Thanksgiving. Yeah, you know, not many people are in the airport or in cars. So the viewership
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across the board, except for the War Room, is down dramatically. Obviously, in MSNBC, it's
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getting close to zero. You won't see this in primetime. Rachel Maddow will not have these
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people on next week in primetime. Highly unlikely. And what they say just makes sense that the Hispanic,
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the Latino and Hispanic community, they're American citizens. And they feel put upon when you have all
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these illegal aliens showing up, and it's crime-ridden, and they're messing up the schools,
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and the hospitals, and health care service. Of course, they're American citizens.
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And Trump knew this. This is why we're winning South Texas. This is why we're winning the Rio
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Grande Valley. This is why we spend so much time focused on the Rio Grande Valley. It's kind of
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like a canary in the mineshaft. This is a hugely important story. But this is why I also go back and
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I say, hey, I think we just should focus at least initially. And with, I don't know, eight or 10 million
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illegal aliens here just on the time period I'm going to give you. And that would be starting
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in the afternoon of the 20th of January of 2021, the moment Biden took over, to the moment Biden
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leaves, which is high noon on the 20th of 2025. In those four years, let's figure out how many came
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across illegally on his watch, who were essentially invited over. And they're the ones that have to go,
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obviously, the criminals first. But that would reinforce also, with the Hispanic and Latino
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community, we're not going to go back into the early points of time. And I'm not advocating for
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amnesty. Far be it. But I'm saying, yo, we got so many problems right now. Let's triage some
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problems. Let's take the 10 million here on Biden's watch that just came here, that the Hispanic and
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Latino community and the black community are supporting us, and they want them to go home too.
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Does that make sense? Everybody cool with that? Do we got that? Right there, they're telling you,
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and this is how we do, you know, Rachel Maddow is all about the autocratic breakthrough.
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Well, this is how, this is how we have a democratic breakthrough. Because they can't get over
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the fact, they can't get over the fact that we've built a coalition that has African American men,
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and it has Hispanic families and Hispanic men. And ProPublica, once again, it's just told you,
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it was a fascinating segment on MSNBC. What I think it was Melissa Sanchez said, hey,
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because the host is sitting there going, well, we heard all the time that they were against Trump,
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that the Hispanic voters are against Trump, they didn't like Trump, and that this huge thing about
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the mass deportation was going to flip it. And her answer was pretty blunt. She says, hey,
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I'm not so sure any of these credential class progressive Democrats have ever gone out and
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talked to a Hispanic citizen. They haven't gone in the community, they haven't gone in the neighborhoods.
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That's 100% right. This is what President Trump knew. This is one of the most significant
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events that have driven this new coalition. This is monumental. This is how you build a winning
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coalition. Like in 1932, like FDR is the re in the in the in the beginning phase of the stock,
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right after the stock market crash, the Great Depression that they formed and essentially
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governed for, I don't know, 50 or 60 years or longer.
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President Trump listened to these people. The war room listened to these people. We would say over
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and over and over again that this was all doable. Now, here's how you have to deliver.
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And I'm not saying, oh, I'm not getting soft. I'm trying to say, hey, let's try to think this
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room be humane. This is all this loose talk about the military. We just had Sheriff Mack on here
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yesterday. They said there's more than enough constitutional sheriffs and there's more than
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enough jail space to kind of help hold people temporarily. You don't need to build FEMA camps.
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You don't need the military. Military should be sent to the border to seal the border.
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However, we don't need the military for enforcement. We might need the military.
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I'm not saying it's 100 percent out. We might need the military.
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But I don't think we need it first. And this is why I'm an advocate of the president to go to
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and I'm picking up a random place, McAllen, Texas, the
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capital of the Rio Grande Valley. Go down there and let's have a, let's have a mini summit. Let's
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have a summit. Let's have a working group meeting, whatever you want to call it. Let's
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get the frontline nations around the table, including Panama. And I think Panama, we ought
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to assist Panama in building a wall that blocks off the Darien Gap. How many times have Burkwam
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and Oscar Blue Ramirez and Michael Yan and a dozens and Laura Loomer gone to the Darien Gap,
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gone through the Darien Gap. You see how dangerous the Darien Gap is that that connective tissue from
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Colombia to Panama that really connects Latin America to Central America. Then the cartel highway
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all the way up. The caravans always start down near there. We've covered this for years. People
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have put themselves in harm's way for years. We have documented this for years. Real America's
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Voice and the investigative apparatus in Burkwam,
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and Oscar Blue and Jan and Lou and many, many, many, many, many more. Benzman.
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So we know kind of what went on. And that's why I say, let's get very tight. We don't need to talk.
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And so, cause MSN, we see and say, Hey, you're going to go get grandma. You're going to get this.
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It shouldn't be lost anybody. They're voting for you now. And their grandchildren are definitely
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voting for you. Let's get what the problem is. The prop, the immediate problem we have is the,
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I'm picking a number, 10 million illegal alien invaders that were invited here. It's,
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it's not these people's fault. They did what you and I would do. If we're living in poverty and we
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hear that Biden isn't, Trump is gone. Biden's inviting everybody into the country and you can
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stay in the United States of America. Hell, I'm getting out to El Norte and I'm bringing,
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you know, I'm bringing people around and you're all going to go. They have to go home. We have to
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deport all of them, all of them. And the arguments they make now, the arguments they make now are now,
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oh, the tariffs are going to be inflationary, but also, also they take the exact wall street
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pitch right out of the book and say, well, if you send the illegal aliens home, it's going to cost
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more to pick your fruit, more to, you know, clean your house, more to build a home. Well, hey,
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I'm not so sure about that, but maybe I'm not so sure, but at least the other work is done by American
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citizens, not by people here illegally. You can't incentivize this. And now we know from ProPublica,
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and they go out of the way to say, we're definitive when we do something. They're not really a news
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publication or media, although they do do a lot of media. What they are is really a research,
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a left-wing research group. And the headline says it all. The headline is, the headline is all about how,
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how, you know, Hispanics here, immigrants' resentment over new arrivals help boost
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It answers itself. Okay. We're here on a Wednesday. It's the eve of Thanksgiving.
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to destroy the dollar, ma'am. We're trying to save the dollar because it is the prime reserve currency.
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Maybe we should have a debate about that. I'm open for that. Don't know if we should be,
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but I'd like to kind of, if we decide not to, we've got to kind of ease out of it. Just can't
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Thoughts one, I'm wrestling with a theory right now, Nicole, that this may have been an unwinnable race for Democrats, period.
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Vice President Harris was a fantastic candidate.
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It may not have mattered who the candidate was, because if you look at a post-pandemic world economy,
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70 to 80 percent of leading countries around the world, whether they're measured by being a leading economy or a developed democracy,
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in the last two years have thrown out their incumbents.
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And it may just be that season where a Biden, a Harris, a Shapiro, or anybody could not have toppled a Donald Trump
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simply because we're in a post-pandemic world economy.
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But the other theory that I wrestle with as well is the paradox that Democrats face is they are often,
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if not always, burdened with having to be the responsible party when Republicans refuse to be.
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So on the trans issue, it's not that Democrats are racing to embrace the trans lifestyle.
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It's just that they respect it and they understand that trans people deserve the same defense of liberty and personal freedom
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that every other American does when Republicans aren't willing to give it to them.
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On the economy and on taxes, consider the message of Biden and Harris.
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If a family makes less than $400,000, your taxes will not go up because they're being responsible about the debt and the deficit.
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Republicans are walking around saying, we're going to we're going to give you a tax cut anywhere you want it.
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From corporate taxes to no tax on tips to no tax on overtime, you name it, we're cutting your taxes.
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Biden and Harris were saying, they'll stay the same. You don't have to worry they won't go up.
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On regulations, Republicans are saying, we're not going to have regulations.
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We're not going to have lockdowns for health care.
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We're not going to have regulations on on labor or health care or energy or the environment because you deserve the personal freedom.
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Democrats are saying government has a responsibility to provide for the collective, for all people.
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By putting responsible regulations in place, that then holds a mirror up to us as a culture.
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Are we willing to recognize that we actually have to be responsible as well?
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Because the paradox that Democrats face, they're bearing the burden right now of being the responsible political party
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at a time when so many Americans are embracing irresponsibility.
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And Donald Trump is feeding the affirmation to those Americans right now who are saying,
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I don't care about the country. I don't care about my neighbor. I just care about me and what you're going to do for me.
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And they're hearing it from Donald Trump. And I think they're missing it from Democrats.
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Can I be the devil on everybody's shoulder the day before Thanksgiving?
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Maybe the Democrats shouldn't be the responsible grownups for a year or so.
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I just think it's something to think about, because to me, I get something.
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we suggested how the Republicans should be more compassionate again and expand how we talk to immigrants and minorities and gay people and women.
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And then Donald Trump did the opposite of that and won.
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So a lot of time, all the geniuses on these shows don't really exactly know what the right thing to do is in the future.
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But here's one thing we do know, that we went through about five, six, seven, eight straight change elections in a row.
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And if the country and the people that aren't as engaged and aren't following politics every day are unhappy with how they're being governed,
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they're happy to throw the bums out. And Donald Trump has planned a lot of things that I think would be disastrous for this country.
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And I think that there's a big swath of voters out there that might decide to just throw that bum out one more time if they're given the opportunity to do so.
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And to me, I think there's a lot of the reflection the Democrats could do.
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And there's a big conversation about the right way forward.
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But Donald Trump failing is really probably the easiest path back to success for the Democrats.
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I mean, Tim, just quickly, the idea of this earnest and I totally respect it.
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It's what you and I used to do when we were on campaigns that lost.
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The last time the Republicans lost, they cooed.
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I'm like the asymmetry is as stark now as it has been in nine years.
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Yeah. It's like they're putting on this hair shirt.
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I felt this way as a never Trumper. I mean, how many times have I had to go around and I am happy to do it because I feel it.
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But it's been a decade. You know, everybody in the Democrats do this and they whip themselves.
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They're like, oh, you know, if we would have done this better.
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And then when that didn't work, the next day they went back and tried to do everything possible to make Joe Biden a failed president.
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And I'm not saying that the Democrats should be nihilist, but I am saying that maybe you should learn that there's something to be learned from that.
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I want to take a second. I want to play Tim's back in one minute.
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David Jolly is a failed Republican congressman.
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Nicole Wallace is a was a comms person and a White House practice for a war criminals, the Cheney Bush junta that lied to the American people and got us into Iraq and Afghanistan so deep we couldn't get out.
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He's the Tim was the comms director for the RNC when I first started getting involved with Andrew in politics.
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President Trump left on the 20th, we didn't curl up in a ball.
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This audience didn't curl up in the fetal position, start sucking their thumb, want to want to want a binky.
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And if you hadn't had the folks at the Capitol, we would have had gone through all the states.
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It would have gotten kicked back into the House of Representatives as a contingent election.
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And we would have won because President Trump did win.
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We didn't run over to foreign countries to hide out and say we can't live in America anymore and criticize American citizens.
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We're not like George Clooney, you know, a coward hiding over with the other billionaires hiding up in northern Italy near the tax haven of Switzerland to avoid American taxes.
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Because this is a quite this is a very important part of history that I think it's important for you to understand to see what the place is.
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Let's go to play Tim at the beginning and tell Denver I'm going to jump in here.
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Let's go and play Tim Miller from the beginning.
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Can I be the devil on everybody's shoulder the day before Thanksgiving?
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Maybe the Democrats shouldn't be the responsible grownups for a year or so.
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Because back in 2012, as part of that RNC autopsy, we suggested how the Republicans should be more compassionate again and expand how we talk to immigrants and minorities and gay people and women.
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And then Donald Trump did the opposite of that and won.
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So a lot of times all the geniuses on these shows don't really exactly know what the right thing to do is in the future.
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He talks about, and this is the beginning of the MAGA movement, ladies and gentlemen, begins right where Tim Miller says.
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So let's go back to that because you're going to see the beginning of the MAGA movement and beginning of President Trump.
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You had the Tea Party movement that came as very powerful in the 2010.
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And this came after the 2008 financial collapse and the defeat of McCain.
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But until the financial collapse, they were kind of dead even with Obama because nobody knew who Obama was.
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But people were voting for change because they knew something was wrong with the country, the direction of the country.
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Given the wars and the economics weren't working.
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That's when Obama really spurted ahead of McCain and won handily.
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Then, because Obama hadn't brought about change, he turned out to be not a populist, not an anti-war populist.
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He got in there and on the surface was super progressive, but he was just a neoliberal neocon.
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And, in fact, his bailouts of Wall Street, his bailouts of corporate America was sickening.
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In 2000, everybody thought, oh, gosh, we can beat Obama.
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I actually went around the country and made a film called The Hope and the Change.
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And I just took independents and Republicans that had voted for Obama that weren't going to vote for him again because he hadn't brought any change in four years.
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All the big donors, Paul Allen, all of them, they're all up.
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The Ricketts, the Mercers, they're all up at the Ritz-Carlton in Boston.
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And, you know, as soon as the exit polls came out, they realized, oh, my God, Frank Luntz came in and gave him a lecture.
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You should have treated Hispanic people better.
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And I want you to remember and refer back to the opening segment about what the Hispanic voters told you about what really bothered them and why they're voting for Trump more than ever.
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So Reince Priebus, and I didn't really know Reince then.
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And, okay, this is the, let me jump here for a second.
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I want to take time to walk through this because it's quite important.
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Because it gets to the beginning stages of the Tea Party kind of frittered out MAGA.
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It came around this thing called the 2012 RNC Autopsy for why Romney lost.
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Tim Miller said, oh, they didn't treat people nice.
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It was principally about amnesty and the Hispanic vote.
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A guy named Sean Trendy, a lawyer, I think, at Hunt and Williams in Richmond,
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who's a poll analyst, I think he does it full-time now,
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for RealClearPolitics, wrote a series of articles going through the analysis.
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And he came to a very radically different conclusion than the RNC Autopsy.
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I did some back-of-the-envelope math and just kind of got the sense of the country.
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I had tried to talk Sarah Palin in running in 2011.
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So to finish the story, Sean Trendy, and I said, no, Sean Trendy's right,
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and he was talking about policies that speak to the working class.
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And Reince and the RNC and Tim Miller were saying, no, we talk, we're too harsh to people,
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And immediately Marco Rubio, the gang of eight, remember they had that whole thing,
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Sean Hannity was part of it, Rupert Murdoch, they had the big dinner with Murdoch,
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and they were going to roll starting in 2013, and they rolled it out.
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They rolled out the amnesty plan on Hannity's show with Rubio.
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We killed that in the House, and we killed it in the Senate.
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Remember, up all night, if you guys were around at the time,
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Breitbart recovered, and there was Stephen Miller working for Sessions,
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But what it laid out is you needed, the people were looking for change,
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they were looking for populist change, and that's not the Republican Party.
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I don't need to name the commentators that you guys know very well.
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Yo, bro, where's your limited government under Bush?
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Bush, where's your limited government under Bush 1?
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Where's your limited government under even President Reagan?
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Because it's not just about taking a couple of regulations off,
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that's just you guys being toadies for your donors.
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If you're going to do it, you've got to take the state apart.
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It's quite obvious what has grown and metastasized,
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and there are tons of smart people that know that.
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But you need somebody to deliver the sledgehammer.
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Remember all this time with the Never Trumpers?
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and it had all the big names in media up there.
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At the time, I go, what are these people missing?
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No conventional Republican will ever be elected to President of the United States.
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That's when I saw Ron DeSantis and Nikki Haley.
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Forget Birdbrain's personality and lack of smarts,
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and forget DeSantis, the issues that he has, which are manifold.
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It's just that is not going to win national elections.
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You think that's going to turn out 80 million votes?
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You think that's going to turn it out in Pennsylvania, Michigan,
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They started to get left behind because in 2012,
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they couldn't even understand what was in front of them.
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And you compare what that autopsy said with what Trendy said
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Not too long, because Trump spoke at CPAC, and then in 14 CPAC,
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and then in 14, the moment of clarification was in Hanover, New Hampshire.
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Dave Bossie and Citizens United had the first kind of cattle call of that year.
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And these cattle calls are to get in front of the activists,
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people just like this audience, that turned out that if you want to run
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a successful campaign in New Hampshire, you have to have these people sign up.
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They have to be part of your team, just like in Iowa,
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just like in South Carolina, those early states.
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And you had Rand Paul, and I think Rand Paul had just been on the cover
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Now, they didn't have Jeb, and they didn't have a couple of the moderates.
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Dave kind of tended towards more of the conservatives,
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but they must have had 20 people, and they had Donald Trump.
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And I'm sitting there with Breitbart Radio, and we're kind of off to the side.
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Jeremy Peters, who had followed Andrew Breitbart
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and had written an amazing piece in the New York Times about Andrew Breitbart.
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And then Andrew had passed away, and Jeremy wrote the incredible piece about his life
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because Jeremy was the New York Times guy kind of assigned to the fringes
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She had drawn the Saturday duty, and Trump spoke.
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And I sat in the back, and people leaned into it.
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They didn't fully understand what he was talking about because he was talking in a nomenclature
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that was totally different than Republicans had heard before.
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But the one thing I observed and started observing when I went around
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is that political speak, the talking points of the Republicans didn't resonate.
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It's also not, it doesn't comport with what's going on in modern life
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as far as the economic realities of how one lives.
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With everything going on in the world, go back to the debates,
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He's a good example because he's about a standard stock, a Republican,
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and not particularly bright that you're going to get because he's just repeating stuff.
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But hear what Birdbrain repeats, and hear what Chris Christie repeats.
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It doesn't really tie in with modern economic reality.
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It doesn't tie in with the geostrategic reality of the world.
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It's all this, you know, we're fighting for freedom in Ukraine.
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He didn't have any of the moves of a politician.
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Remember, Trump thinks all the polling numbers are made up anyway.
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Just the kind of the superficial marketing apparatus that's taken over modern politics.
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But you could see in that very early time that there was something that people had wanted
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to change, but they're not taught how the system works.
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Not only do we don't teach civics, they don't teach the classical Declaration of Independence,
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particularly the Constitution, how that ties in with the corporate world, how it ties in
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to the United States economy, and how that economy ties in to the global economy, and how
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the United States really ties in or connects into like the G7 or the G20 from national security
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basis and from a geopolitical basis and from a global capital markets and trade patterns.
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Why have people come to the war room to hear what we have to say here?
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Why at Danbury did the young prisoners, the black and Hispanic prisoners, lean forward
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and want it and thirst it, thirst it for more of this?
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They don't teach it because they don't want you to know it.
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They don't teach it because they don't want you to know it.
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They're not interested in you understanding it because if you understand it, you may have
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If you have a couple of questions and they don't get answered, then all of a sudden maybe
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you draw an opinion and maybe that opinion goes against what they, how they want things
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And so they want the politicians to stand up there and just talk about nonsense.
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If you ever get a chance, it's not a waste of time.
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If you ever go back and look at the debates on like early Republican debates in some of
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the years and like in 2012 or in 2008, go back and look at some of the questions and
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And you'll see how meaningless it is, how irrelevant it is.
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It's structured to be irrelevant, to be meaningless.
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Because the Murdochs who control Fox, they don't want change.
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You're, you're, you're the anti-system players that they're, they are the system.
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And, you know, uh, Alex Wagner and, and, and, uh, and Chris Hayes are two of the smartest
00:38:35.920
They talk about this all the time that they are now boxed into in, in, in box into, uh,
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unenviable position of defending a corrupt and incompetent and destructive system.
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And they said, well, of course the system, you know, needs change, but you know, you have
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We're institution that you have to, you have to have these institutions.
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Is that some part of, is that like the second law thermodynamics?
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This is like when Paul Ryan and them used to talk about Austrian economics and hand out
00:39:08.880
We're all going to be libertarian objectivists now, but I don't believe that.
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Not that I say that she's not a great novelist and that people get a lot of enjoyment in reading
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that, but the political philosophy of it is the political philosophy of a nine-year-old
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Atlas Shrugged and the thoughts of Atlas Shrugged and the Ubermensch and Nietzsche's will
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to power and all the Nietzschean philosophy that incorporates that leads to Auschwitz.
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Right there, crooked path, but you'll get there.
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There's like the autopsy with all the data and all the information.
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Oh, you know, we said we'd said mean things about gays and mean things about blacks and
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I got to know him a lot on the 16 campaign and then in the, in the white house and Reince
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I know a lot of people take shots at him and always this war between Reince and Bannon.
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We don't agree on a lot, but he's a good man, but he's also dead.
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You remember Miller, Tim Miller just said, well, then Trump comes along and he says everything
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bad about everybody and they win because Trump talks about the real issues in the country
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and it connects when they, when they stole the election and ran him out of town, when
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he got to Mar-a-Lago, he had every opportunity in the world just to say, I'm not going to
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I go buy more golf clubs and you know, they'll be in the British Rota or I'll get to the,
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you know, Bedminster will be in the PGA and I'll eventually get a host us open somewhere.
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He could have done that and been revered by the, by the 25 or the one third of the, of
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the, uh, the MAGA movement that would have hung around and always supported him, but he
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He had the moral courage to say, no, I must return.
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And I went again and people ask, how did you know so early it was going to have
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We're a providential country and divine providence works through human agency in the United States
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If you don't understand that, you don't understand anything.
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You're not going to understand anything that you hear this audience in this point in time,
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this place are making history like no other common citizens have made history since the
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You, this audience, the tip of the tip of the spear, because of your agency, you had Trump's
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Trump had the courage to step forward and say, I'll do it again.
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Trump took on all comers in the entire apparatus, the financial apparatus, the technology apparatus,
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the Hollywood apparatus, the political apparatus, the legal apparatus, 92 felonies, what, 400
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years in prison, never before in any, any, even a banana republic.
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It demands it of you, not of Trump, of you, of you.
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So to tie back to that autopsy, here we are in 2024, which is 12 years after the autopsy, 12 years, a decade plus.
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And ProPublica right there, two reporters, two investigators for ProPublica, a left-wing operation.
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Go out into the field and come back and say the quiet part out loud that Hispanic and Latinos were attracted to Trump because Trump protected their citizenship.
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About the invasion of the new arrivals, they hated this.
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One thing that MSNBC should understand, this is just not, your problem is deeper than just the fatigue of people to lose, even on the right.
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After Trump lost in 20, you see all the networks and websites, everything dropped off.
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I don't care if we get, and remember, we're permanently, between that and the pandemic, and we're the first ones to go to the pandemic in January 2020, between that and the pandemic, we're permanently in perpetuity banned on Facebook, on YouTube, on Spotify, and on Twitter up until a week ago.
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I think they came back and said, you can get your handle back, which I never had because it was never on Twitter.
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This is the reason of this new coalition coming together.
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As I keep saying, it's like what FDR did to end the Republican reign, essentially, from the Civil War, and I realize you had Woodrow Wilson and some other guys there, but essentially from the Civil War, from the ascension of Abraham Lincoln in 1860, all the way through basically, basically, FDR, it was all Republican rule.
00:47:05.560
And from FDR, essentially, I know you had Eisenhower, but he was kind of a corporatist.
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The President Reagan had Newt Gingrich's revolution, right?
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So until then, but really the big move, I think, was taking the House in 2010 with the Tea Party movement.
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And then a couple of years later, Trump won the presidency.
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Then Trump won again in 2020, had it stolen, came back, and won in 2024.
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Was the victory secured with all the bloodshed of what was fought for the Civil War?
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Was World War II, of all the bloodshed in the American participation, did we really win in World War II?
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When Stalin took over all of Eastern Europe, we gave up Berlin.
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All those questions that Senator McCarthy asked, how did that happen?
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And then a couple of years later, we gave over China to the Chinese Communist Party.
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You see all that bloodshed, all that sacrifice by the Russian people and the Chinese people,
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and they're enslaved by communist dictators every bit as bad as Hitler.
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And Mao Zedong may be even the greatest monster.
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That's why this moment on the eve of Thanksgiving, about what to give thanks for.
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Give thanks, not simply we have Donald Trump, but give thanks that you're here in this moment of history.
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From January of 2021 until November 5th of 2024, I saw you bend the arc of history.
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Mike, people are saying Mike's not showing us good enough deals.
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