Bannon's War Room - November 30, 2024


Episode 4094： Democrats Refuse To Accept 2024 Election Results

Topics
censorship efforts focused protection
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Steve Bannon
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Donald Trump Darren Beattie Andrew Ferguson Naomi Wolf Maha Jay Bhattacharya Jessica Brandt Marty McCary Mark Elias Norm Eisen Tucker Carlson Charlie Kirk Joe Rogan Stephen K. Mann Anthony Fauci Brendan Carr Chris Mays Jack Smith Mike Davis Joe Biden and 34 more
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On this episode of The War Room, Stephen K. Vann is joined by special guest Mark Elias, co-chair of Democracy 2025, a group dedicated to taking on the Trump administration. They discuss the need to fight back against the deep state, the dark money behind the Trump campaign, and why the media is the ultimate puppets.

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00:00:00.320 Donald Trump and the cynics want us to believe that he is all-powerful and that if you fight back, you will lose.
00:00:07.260 He wants you to believe that if you fight back, you may face danger.
00:00:10.840 And he wants you to believe that if you fight back, it won't matter because he is in control of everything.
00:00:15.060 And it is not true. It is time for us to build not a resistance, but an opposition, something that is durable,
00:00:20.440 something that will last for four years and beyond.
00:00:22.940 And we need to build that opposition now, and we need to all gird ourselves for the long run.
00:00:30.000 This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
00:00:36.600 Pray for our enemies, because we're going to medieval on these people.
00:00:41.760 Here's the time I got a free shot, all these networks lying about the people.
00:00:46.080 The people have had a belly full of it.
00:00:48.020 I know you don't like hearing that.
00:00:49.420 I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.
00:00:52.100 It's going to happen.
00:00:53.380 And where do people like that go to share the big lie?
00:00:56.780 Mega Media.
00:00:57.680 I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
00:01:03.560 Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
00:01:07.320 If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
00:01:13.740 War Room.
00:01:14.520 Here's your host, Stephen K. Vann.
00:01:16.860 You're back in the War Room, where it's 30 November in the year of our Lord 2024, and a happy Saturday to all of you.
00:01:31.840 I know the Saturday shows are always Steve's favorites, so by extension, they are mine too.
00:01:36.980 And all that I have to say to Mark Elias, of course, of fame, of infamy here on the War Room, I guess in the words of Corey Lewandowski,
00:01:45.620 Womp Womp, no one cares about your democracy, drivel, BS, talking points. 0.66
00:01:51.940 The American people rejected you guys in full force in early November.
00:01:57.280 And despite your best efforts to become what you so allegedly despise, right?
00:02:02.980 Election deniers.
00:02:04.140 Oh, you hate election deniers so much, Mark Elias.
00:02:07.900 Well, what were you trying to do in Pennsylvania?
00:02:11.000 Yeah, maybe when we, I don't know, audit and investigate the 2020 election, we'll throw in your, and I'll use the word President Trump does,
00:02:18.100 skullduggery of what you did out in the great state of Pennsylvania to try to overturn that Senate race,
00:02:23.940 but to no avail, because this audience and this show is on to you.
00:02:29.680 But we're also on to you in all the ways that you're trying to subvert the MAGA agenda.
00:02:35.300 Like you, frankly, always have.
00:02:38.100 You've been doing that for years now with a bunch of dark money donors and groups.
00:02:42.880 You know, Mark Elias, for someone who sits up there and says democracy almost every other word,
00:02:48.560 and then throw in Project 2025 every other other word, you know, you're not very transparent about your donors.
00:02:54.800 It's not very democratic of you.
00:02:56.960 I thought you would love transparency.
00:02:58.740 Yeah, but maybe you don't want to show that because, I don't know, I think maybe, frankly,
00:03:04.440 all roads probably lead overseas, but all roads lead to, I guess, the distinction between overseas and what's going on here.
00:03:10.520 Isn't all that great when you see the color revolution playbook that they've weaponized overseas across Eastern European countries galore,
00:03:18.960 bringing that home here, Mark Elias, of course, co-chairing Democracy 2025,
00:03:24.500 the sort of legal apparatchik hatchet group that's, what, getting ready to disseminate over 800 lawyers,
00:03:31.720 millions of dollars to come after the Trump agenda in partnership with none other than Norm Eisen,
00:03:37.300 and a bunch of people who also participated in those transition integrity project exercises,
00:03:42.280 are now all of a sudden back and helping, I don't know, state AGs out in Arizona draft cases against Trump supporters,
00:03:49.340 and President Donald J. Trump himself, right, the same AG who, what, Chris Mays, had never tried a case before. 0.99
00:03:56.360 It almost makes you think the reason why they want to fill our government with idiots, 0.99
00:04:01.520 and shall I use a word, listless vessels, people like Joe Biden, like Chris Mays, 1.00
00:04:06.340 people who have no experience,
00:04:08.120 not just morally bankrupt, but intellectually bankrupt,
00:04:12.340 so they can use them as puppets, right?
00:04:16.200 Joe Biden is the archetype, the ultimate unelected bureaucrat,
00:04:19.460 because he lost in 2020, and that entire White House is filled with unelected bureaucrats,
00:04:24.820 who I look forward to being mass-fired, if not mass-schedule-F'd, on January 20th.
00:04:31.560 How about this? Schedule-F around and find out.
00:04:35.900 I am honored to be joined by someone who knows a lot about all those, shall we say,
00:04:43.460 media matters buzzwords that I'm sure will get me a clip that is none other than,
00:04:48.480 I think, the person who sort of pushed the whole color revolution narrative
00:04:52.340 into the kind of forefront, the media lexicon, at least here on War Room,
00:04:56.960 and that is Dr. Darren J. Beattie, a Biden regime alum.
00:05:02.140 I'm so sorry for your loss.
00:05:03.960 But, Darren, I just wanted to sort of get your thoughts before we get into sort of the path forward,
00:05:08.960 the fun stuff on January 6th, the pipe bomb, all that stuff.
00:05:11.800 Your thoughts on sort of where the resistance stands now
00:05:14.820 and what you think it's going to look like this time around.
00:05:18.460 You know, that's a really interesting question,
00:05:21.100 and I think it might be premature to say.
00:05:24.940 I think the dynamic is very different from what it was in the aftermath of 2016
00:05:30.520 in the specific sense that I think the left is largely demoralized.
00:05:36.780 I think there's enormous effect of Trump winning the popular vote,
00:05:43.340 this decisive mandate, the left losing Latino men.
00:05:50.400 It really doesn't leave any readily available excuse to them of,
00:05:56.920 oh, he was too racist or, oh, you know, the Russians stepped in
00:06:02.160 and just marginally got him over the line.
00:06:04.580 They're really kind of, for once, really forced to confront
00:06:08.740 how profoundly unpopular they are
00:06:13.880 and how unpopular their message is and what they represent is.
00:06:18.640 And so I think they're still in this regrouping stage
00:06:23.280 to figure out what's going on.
00:06:25.540 And, of course, they're all blaming each other,
00:06:27.720 and we've seen glorious representations of that on MSNBC and so forth.
00:06:34.140 If anything, and this ties into some of the other things
00:06:37.700 you've been talking about and that we might talk about,
00:06:40.620 I think the resistance might actually migrate over to intensify in
00:06:49.440 and express itself through other countries.
00:06:55.520 UK, you see the intensification with Starmer and his role.
00:07:00.120 You see Australia making similar gestures.
00:07:05.720 One could imagine even the EU as a whole
00:07:09.140 in light of Trump's victory will kind of double down
00:07:13.780 on this oppositional identity to the United States,
00:07:18.280 kind of like how they did with George W. Bush
00:07:21.560 when Europe, you had Jacques Chirac and Schroeder
00:07:27.520 and these other guys in similar fashion,
00:07:31.660 but for very different reasons.
00:07:33.420 Then you could argue the Europeans were the good guys. 0.99
00:07:36.060 Here, they're unquestionably the bad guys.
00:07:39.140 And they would be promoting the censorship regime.
00:07:42.180 And a lot of the poisonous stuff that maybe reached its apex around 2020
00:07:49.380 remained pernicious throughout and seems to be on a bit of a retreat
00:07:54.780 even at the domestic level in the United States.
00:07:58.040 So I kind of predict at this point, although, as I said, premature,
00:08:02.060 that the resistance could actually migrate to and intensify in and express itself through foreign entities,
00:08:12.300 not the Russia, Russia, not the, you know, China, China,
00:08:15.600 but actually in the rest of the Anglosphere and in the EU.
00:08:20.200 This is something that we've definitely been covering on War Room,
00:08:25.320 since they don't control the levers of power here at home to carry out the mass censorship.
00:08:30.020 Like we said, like they always do, they're going to have to outsource it.
00:08:33.480 And to that point, too, maybe it won't be government funding,
00:08:36.200 but it's always been the sort of weird merger, right,
00:08:38.180 where they sort of outsource it to the NGOs, the dark money, the whole kind of apparatus.
00:08:42.860 I'm curious, though, your thoughts on how the sort of Norm Eisen's
00:08:48.800 and more particularly that color revolution playbook,
00:08:52.860 if you think that they will try to carry that out again.
00:08:56.220 I know it's premature, but when you see this sort of pivot,
00:08:59.400 they're now attacking Trump as an autocrat.
00:09:01.220 You got Norm Eisen really, I think, vindicating that piece that you guys wrote
00:09:04.880 all the way back in the Transition Integrity Project days,
00:09:07.520 quite literally tweeting out his democracy playbook from Brookings and saying,
00:09:11.820 yeah, Trump may have won, but here are all the ways that we can hold him accountable.
00:09:15.920 How do you think that sort of sect of, you know, resistance 2.0
00:09:20.660 interplays with the foreign element?
00:09:24.560 Yeah, that's an interesting question.
00:09:26.320 Of course, these people haven't gone away.
00:09:28.460 Norm Eisen in particular has been, I have to admire his persistence and energy.
00:09:33.940 He has not stopped.
00:09:35.360 He is relentless in working towards his objective.
00:09:40.160 So I think these people will remain players,
00:09:43.360 but the overall picture as compared to 2020 or 2016,
00:09:49.960 I think they're very weakened.
00:09:53.000 And the idea of launching a kind of color revolution scenario,
00:09:58.940 you know, the two major dimensions of that are lawfare and mass demonstrations.
00:10:06.100 And you really need some degree of popular buy-in and legitimacy in order to do that.
00:10:13.060 And I think they've really sustained major losses in the media, for one,
00:10:18.980 because Elon took over Twitter and that was a major vehicle for their operations.
00:10:24.500 So I think that's severely curtailed their ability to achieve narrative control
00:10:30.540 and also to engineer these mobilizations.
00:10:35.100 And also on the lawfare front, we see a significant retreat.
00:10:38.840 You see what's happening with Jack Smith and others and almost a kind of public discrediting
00:10:44.460 of the avalanche of false and politically motivated cases that were levied against Trump and his supporters.
00:10:52.520 So, of course, these people will still be around perhaps once they regroup
00:10:57.500 and maybe things will change as we get closer to the midterms.
00:11:01.060 If they don't go our way in the midterms, they might use that opportunity to pounce.
00:11:05.840 But I think right now they're really licking their wounds
00:11:08.320 and they haven't been weaker in a very, very long time.
00:11:13.640 And insofar as one sees any real expression of energy,
00:11:18.980 it's actually come through the foreign dimension, in this case, in the UK, Australia,
00:11:28.780 perhaps a little bit in Germany.
00:11:30.840 And that could be where this force develops and sort of hibernates for the time being.
00:11:39.600 I noticed you didn't mention Haiti when you were rattling off those countries.
00:11:46.740 Darren, I feel like we also have to just take a quick moment to appreciate your new set,
00:11:52.500 your new backdrop.
00:11:53.660 I'm sure the audience is very, very excited about that, as are we in the war room.
00:11:59.020 We love the audio quality.
00:12:00.760 The shot looks great.
00:12:02.180 Give me a few minutes before we jump to break, though, on a happier note,
00:12:05.760 where you think kind of Team Trump, the DOJ, whatever department you think it needs to be,
00:12:12.960 on Jan 6th stuff, on the pipe bomb stuff, what that sort of battle plan looks like.
00:12:19.080 Well, that's a very important question.
00:12:21.460 And again, it's premature to say, I've said in other interviews,
00:12:26.200 that basically the pipe bomb investigation, January 6th story, we're at the very end stages.
00:12:34.700 We know it was a scam.
00:12:37.180 We know it was one of the biggest scandals in the nation's recent history.
00:12:41.740 I have a precise, exact itemized list of exactly what the future head of the FBI,
00:12:48.720 what future attorney general would need to do.
00:12:51.620 It's simply a question of how interested and how cooperative those office holders will be.
00:13:01.720 With Matt Gaetz, I would have been entirely confident that we would get to the bottom of it.
00:13:07.680 For now, I'm optimistic, but can't give any guarantees.
00:13:12.060 It depends.
00:13:13.180 But I can literally hand this on a silver platter.
00:13:16.700 We're so close.
00:13:18.800 You know, the FBI just got caught in a lie.
00:13:21.340 They lied about the telecom data.
00:13:23.440 They said it was corrupted.
00:13:24.960 They have the telecom data.
00:13:26.700 They have all the data they would need to identify the pipe bomber.
00:13:30.760 It's sitting in their offices.
00:13:33.380 There are two cover-up individuals in the FBI.
00:13:37.620 Their identities are sitting in the offices.
00:13:40.120 I know one of the identities, but it's not time to say it yet.
00:13:44.020 They're all in there.
00:13:45.660 All we need now is a cooperative and courageous head of the DOJ and head of the FBI to take us to that last step
00:13:56.240 and expose the biggest scandal in recent American history.
00:14:00.920 Darren, if you can hang with us through the break, there's so many more stories I want to get into.
00:14:05.600 I know you won't expose that one person, but I think maybe after the break, maybe Jessica Brandt we can do a little exposure on up at DNI.
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00:16:20.320 War Room.
00:16:21.280 Here's your host, Stephen K. Mann.
00:16:29.560 You're back in the War Room where we are still joined by Dr. Darren J. Beattie.
00:16:35.240 Darren, I would love for you to explain to the audience a little bit about Jessica Brandt, someone who uses the words disinformation way too much.
00:16:47.860 Absolutely.
00:16:48.820 And again, this is an extension of, if not the Marvel Universe, the Color Revolution Universe.
00:16:55.720 You know, the whole story of this Color Revolution segment are these Atlanticists, these people obsessed with Russia.
00:17:04.940 The whole censorship predicate disinformation comes out of this intelligence world dimension that's oriented toward Russia.
00:17:15.740 And a whole cottage industry of people who are using this term as a censorship pretext, created NGOs, created really an entire industry based on censoring American speech under the guise of some dubious foreign policy agenda with respect to Russia.
00:17:39.980 For those familiar with that general context, this Jessica Brandt will not be an exception, unfortunately.
00:17:52.180 She currently runs what is called the Foreign Malign Influence Center under the DNI, the Director of National Intelligence, which will soon, we hope, be run by Tulsi Gabbard.
00:18:06.920 Now, this foreign influence group basically replicates the function of other infamous organizations like the Global Engagement Center, which we've reported on extensively.
00:18:20.220 The great Mike Benz has talked about it.
00:18:22.240 You've talked about it.
00:18:25.020 And it replicates this, but it houses it within the DNI.
00:18:30.080 And I did a little digging into this Jessica Brandt.
00:18:33.120 And it's, as I said, exactly what you'd expect.
00:18:36.080 She has done reports at the Brookings Institution that involve attacking Tucker Carlson, Charlie Kirk, and Dan Bongino, among others.
00:18:46.420 For what?
00:18:47.480 For daring to suggest that Russia itself did not blow up Nord Stream 2. 1.00
00:18:55.360 That's how dumb it is. 0.92
00:18:57.040 For daring to suggest that Russia didn't blow up a critical piece of its own infrastructure, their disinformation agents of the Kremlin. 0.98
00:19:08.400 This is the tier of individual that's now running the whole foreign influence office at the DNI.
00:19:16.460 Some other examples, again, repeated pattern, attacking Tucker Carlson, attacking Charlie Kirk, obsession with Russia and linking Russia's interests to legitimate free speech actions of American citizens who dared to adopt a heterodox line with respect to the regime's talking points.
00:19:40.200 You see this repeated pattern.
00:19:43.200 But what's interesting is she bills herself as this, like, AI expert or emerging AI technologies things.
00:19:51.560 She has no history of involvement with AI or really technology.
00:19:56.480 And the funny thing is, if you trace her reports, they're all this misinformation slop dating back to, like, 2020.
00:20:07.520 But then before 2020, there's nothing about technology whatsoever.
00:20:12.280 However, it's all about chastising Trump for the so-called travel ban.
00:20:19.680 So her obsession was promoting immigration in the United States, chastising Trump for the travel ban, and, of course, a sprinkling of anti-Brexit stuff.
00:20:30.520 Oh, Brexit's horrible.
00:20:31.580 And then all of a sudden, in 2020, when the disinformation, this is the apogee of the disinformation scam, when that was real hot, guess what?
00:20:41.920 She branded as, I'm an AI researcher.
00:20:45.400 I'm an expert in AI.
00:20:47.780 And by that, I mean censoring stuff that I don't like.
00:20:51.000 I'm an expert now.
00:20:53.160 Isn't that nice?
00:20:54.480 So she goes to all of his conferences, and overnight, she becomes an AI expert.
00:21:01.440 I don't even know if she knows how to boot up a computer, and she's an AI expert.
00:21:06.220 And what that means in practice is, again, all of these poorly written, poorly thought out, truly slop tier reports that effectively say,
00:21:18.200 uh-oh, Tucker Carlson says stuff we don't like, therefore, he's Russian, therefore, we should censor him, and any platform that hosts him. 0.96
00:21:29.600 And this is the type of person, in fact, in this case, the specific person who's running the Foreign Malign Influence Center under the DNI,
00:21:40.840 which formally sits on top of the entire intelligence community.
00:21:44.980 It's wild to me that Brookings still retains its tax-exempt status.
00:21:50.900 I think that's something we should go after, too, just putting that as a little aside.
00:21:56.580 But linking that to kind of what you're saying, you're talking about these patterns, not just recognizing them here domestically, but internationally, too, right?
00:22:04.380 There's sort of this outsourcing of just narrative building with the idea that American alternative media, you know, people like Charlie Kirk, Joe Rogan, they need to be censored, right?
00:22:14.140 They are a public health threat.
00:22:16.120 They're disinformation threats, because apparently, if you say, you know, in flood responses in North Carolina, if they're not doing a good job, that's apparently spreading disinformation.
00:22:25.500 Or how about this?
00:22:26.100 Maybe they're actually just, I don't know, doing a bad job.
00:22:28.620 But the Australian Broadcasting Corporation boss went on sort of a, shall we call it a Jim Vandehii-tier, unhinged speech about the media going after Joe Rogan, disinformation more broadly.
00:22:42.680 Your thoughts on what that sort of signals?
00:22:44.620 I mean, what a decline of the Australian population, or maybe the Australians just deserve better. 1.00
00:22:51.980 You know, when I think of Australians, I think of those Foster's beer commercials.
00:22:56.760 And this is a huge step down from that.
00:22:59.300 Here you have, nominally, the head of the entire Australian government media, what's equivalent to what used to be called in the United States the Broadcasting Board of Governors, our sort of propaganda arm to not, you know, they call it global public affairs now.
00:23:16.940 But here you have this guy who is asked about Joe Rogan and goes on to this extended rant saying how it's so horrific that Americans are entertained by this guy and, you know, just really amazing stuff coming from someone who represents the media in Australia.
00:23:37.180 And again, I think this is a great example of this general dynamic, which I think is a critical, maybe the most important dynamic going on now, is that this oppositional identity, including this kind of orientation towards censorship, the whole apparatus that was built, is now kind of licking its wounds domestically in the United States because of Trump, because of Elon and so forth.
00:24:01.780 But it's almost redoubling its intensity and its commitment in other areas of the Anglosphere.
00:24:10.060 And it seems like this is where it's hibernating, but not in a dormant state, in a very active state, just not so much what we saw domestically here.
00:24:18.980 And so I think these are real indications that this could be a major issue going forward and develop further in this troubling direction.
00:24:31.780 Darren, if people want to stay up to date with everything you're working on, all the wonderfully hot takes at Revolver, where can they go to do all that?
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00:25:02.520 Between the new set and the new trailer, are you taking a deep state cash?
00:25:08.800 Is Norm Eisen paying you?
00:25:11.540 I can't say that at all. I was joking. I'm going to go pro Mike Rogers or whoever it is who's the real bad guy.
00:25:18.780 No, no, no. No deep state cash here.
00:25:20.920 That's good. The only cash we want is Cash Patel, right? How about that? Darren, thank you so much for joining us.
00:25:28.840 We will see you soon, I am sure.
00:25:31.360 In War Room Posse, we got a PAC show coming up for you. I think we're going to be joined by FTC Commissioner, maybe FTC Chair, Andrew Ferguson, Dr. Naomi Wolf.
00:25:44.040 Kind of springboarding off of everything that we've just gone over with Darren.
00:25:47.460 The idea that because they lost here so overwhelmingly, they have to do what they always do, which is outsource, not the manufacturing this time.
00:25:56.720 But I guess it's the manufacturing of their fake and BS narratives.
00:26:00.840 The idea that what, I don't know, the strapline of this show, the idea that COVID originated in a lab, that the COVID vaccines don't work, that are dangerous.
00:26:10.280 That, I don't know, populist economics prevail over this weird neoliberal order that melts down if, I don't know, you want to institute tariffs.
00:26:18.320 That all of that is disinformation. So what do they have to do?
00:26:22.540 Well, I guess because they lost and they can't use CISA or DHS or any of, you know, pick your poison.
00:26:29.480 Now they're going to use weird money, dark money sources coming from, you know, take your pick.
00:26:34.560 I'm sure all roads will lead back, whether it's the George Soros type, Mark Zuckerberg, people who hate this country.
00:26:40.500 They're going to outsource it overseas, whether it's the Center for Countering Digital Hate, the Global Disinformation Index, right?
00:26:47.000 They already have this foreign apparatus set up and we know they only deal in projection.
00:26:52.660 So when they say that we're the ones who are guilty of foreign collusion and foreign manipulation of algorithms and all that.
00:26:58.980 No, no, no. The only reason that you would even know what that is in the same way that Anthony Fauci would be an expert in the origins of COVID is because you're responsible for it because you do it yourself.
00:27:10.280 I think Anthony Fauci is not going to have that hot of a 2025 or 2026, shall we say.
00:27:16.740 Dr. Naomi Wolf will be joining us to go through all of that and so much more.
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00:27:36.760 If we yank all the big pharma ads off of MSNBC, frankly, their profits are going to plummet even more.
00:27:43.760 I don't even want to know what those margins are, let alone if you take away their crutch, that is Pfizer.
00:27:50.740 Though I'd love to see how their programming changes.
00:27:54.380 Though I don't know if it'll change that much.
00:27:56.000 I think COVID vaccines will probably make it a little hard to tell the truth.
00:28:01.520 Like I said, stay with us.
00:28:03.120 We still got a packed show on this Saturday morning coming for you.
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00:29:23.900 You're back in the war room where I am honored to be joined by Andrew Ferguson, one of two Republican commissioners over at the Federal Trade Commission,
00:29:43.640 which I think before we get into this interview, it's sort of a testament to how I think robust and vast these censorship efforts have become,
00:29:52.040 that we're talking to someone from the FTC who I know has done shows with Mike Benz.
00:29:56.580 He's definitely on our side of the football on fighting the good fight, really the, I think, existential fight, our ability to, I don't know,
00:30:02.920 even air shows like War Room despite their best efforts to pull us, yank us from YouTube and Spotify.
00:30:08.720 It's okay, we're doing pretty well.
00:30:11.760 But Andrew has been sort of leading the charge over there on how to push back against these censorship efforts.
00:30:16.960 Andrew, we were just talking the last two blocks with Darren, how despite them losing in 2024,
00:30:24.620 they're obviously not going to give up on their censorship efforts, right?
00:30:27.560 They're sort of allocating their loss.
00:30:29.900 Oh, it was a result of misinformation, disinformation, laying the pretext, in my opinion,
00:30:33.900 to sort of crack down on dangerous disinformation, health, electoral or otherwise.
00:30:39.440 So I'm just curious your thoughts on, you know, how likely they'll be able to mount that offensive
00:30:44.160 and more importantly, what either you and your FTC capacity or just more broadly, the Trump admin can do to fight back.
00:30:51.360 Yeah, well, thanks. Thanks for having me.
00:30:53.660 So I think I divide the censorship problem into two buckets.
00:30:56.960 We've got one where we have like purely private censorship, where I think there's two kinds.
00:31:02.920 You could have decisions being made by sort of the platforms themselves or potentially in tandem with each other,
00:31:09.840 where the goal is to suppress, you know, disfavored speech.
00:31:13.620 The word we always hear is disinformation.
00:31:15.660 That's the like classic way that this is said.
00:31:17.820 That's just Orwellian newspeak for ideas that Silicon Valley and progressives don't like.
00:31:22.140 The second version of the private one that I think is most interesting that Brendan Carr,
00:31:27.580 the new chair of the FCC, has talked a lot about is the risk of potential advertising cartels.
00:31:34.400 So generally under our antitrust laws, private companies can sort of decide what they'd like to do with their own resources.
00:31:40.900 But one of the most important things the antitrust laws forbid is people getting in a room and agreeing we're not going to compete.
00:31:48.720 And, you know, if there are a bunch of powerful advertisers getting in a room together and saying,
00:31:55.680 hey, let's all agree not to advertise on this platform because we don't like that they have free speech on that platform,
00:32:01.780 or let's agree not to advertise about this podcast or this, you know, online show,
00:32:07.920 that can potentially violate the antitrust laws because the antitrust laws are designed to make sure that all of us get to participate in markets freely and fairly
00:32:16.700 and that there isn't a bunch of backdoor dealing among competitors to suppress people or ideas.
00:32:23.100 And so, you know, at the FTC, that's one of the concerns that I really hope that the new Trump FTC is going to look into
00:32:31.920 and that I've been calling for it to look into, which is if we've got agreements among the platforms to suppress ideas or speech,
00:32:40.160 we have to investigate those for potential antitrust violations.
00:32:43.960 And if we have advertiser cartels where advertisers are agreeing we're not going to advertise on this show, on this platform,
00:32:51.780 those also potentially violate the antitrust laws.
00:32:54.380 Group boycotts are illegal under the antitrust laws, and I think they cry out for antitrust scrutiny.
00:32:59.940 And then I think we have a second censorship problem,
00:33:02.820 and it's super important that President Trump won this election because it's the kind of thing that he and his new government can address directly.
00:33:11.080 And we saw this during COVID especially, but where the platforms would collaborate, collude, however you want to call it,
00:33:19.800 with government officials at the CDC, the Surgeon General's Office, the State Department, the FBI, and CISA,
00:33:26.320 where the government would call over to the platforms and say, hey, we don't like this thing being said about the vaccines.
00:33:33.420 We don't like this thing being said about COVID origins, you know, labs and the like.
00:33:38.820 We don't like this sort of discussion about what happened in the 2020 presidential election.
00:33:43.540 We don't like people talking about the Hunter Biden laptop.
00:33:47.360 And the platforms would say, okay, got it, we'll take it down, no problem.
00:33:51.660 Some states sued the government back in 2021 and said, hey, or 2022 and said, hey,
00:33:58.980 the government is coercing the platforms to take down speech that they don't like.
00:34:05.800 And this wound its way up through the courts.
00:34:08.320 Louisiana, Missouri got big wins in the lower courts, big injunctions where courts were saying,
00:34:13.260 you, the government, can't coerce these platforms to take down speech you don't like.
00:34:17.480 We have this little thing called the First Amendment. 0.87
00:34:19.440 And the main thing the First Amendment does is protect the right of every American to speak his or her mind
00:34:24.560 without the government interfering in that speech.
00:34:27.400 Then it left the Supreme Court.
00:34:28.660 And the Supreme Court, in a decision I don't fully agree with, said, well, we don't think there's enough evidence
00:34:33.500 that the platforms were taking this down because they felt coerced by the government,
00:34:39.140 you know, or the government was threatening them, rather than the platforms being willing to do it.
00:34:43.560 But in my view, after this election, the distinction is less important because even if the First Amendment doesn't apply
00:34:51.560 when the government picks up the phone and calls, you know, X or YouTube or Instagram or whatever and says,
00:34:56.920 I need you to take this thing down, the government can forbid its own officials from doing that.
00:35:02.060 So, you know, President Trump and his new cabinet that he's been rolling out over the last several days,
00:35:07.060 they can just order their subordinates, stop doing this.
00:35:10.140 Get off the phone with these platforms.
00:35:12.680 Stop suppressing the free speech of Americans.
00:35:15.000 Quit doing this.
00:35:15.840 And we don't even need the courts to intervene.
00:35:17.840 This can be done directly by the government.
00:35:19.840 Congress can also pass laws that forbid this sort of thing.
00:35:22.580 And I think that that would be a great idea.
00:35:24.840 But that is one of the most important results of this election is the problem that the states uncovered
00:35:30.180 in their litigation against the government, where you had the government cooperating, coordinating,
00:35:36.640 whatever you want to call it, with the platforms to take down, you know, misinformation and disinformation,
00:35:42.460 all the stuff that Silicon Valley and the progressives don't like.
00:35:46.320 That can end, even without the courts, because the new government can just say,
00:35:50.080 we're not going to do this anymore.
00:35:51.140 Americans get to speak their mind on these platforms.
00:35:53.520 And I think that's great news.
00:35:55.260 And also, Darren was just talking about this with you, but the giant constellation of sort
00:36:00.620 of government-funded or government-contracted NGOs that have participated in the suppression
00:36:06.920 of speech over the last several years, again, elections have consequences.
00:36:11.640 And this is one of the huge upsides of President Trump's re-election, is those contracts can come
00:36:18.080 to an end.
00:36:18.580 Now, obviously, you know, progressives, Silicon Valley, everyone who is fighting disinformation,
00:36:24.920 they're not going to give up just because of the election.
00:36:27.100 They're going to take this to new fronts.
00:36:29.060 And that's where I think that it's really important that the FTC take investigative steps
00:36:34.260 in the new administration under President Trump.
00:36:36.560 Because if the government is going to get out of the business here in the states of cooperating
00:36:41.940 and colluding with the platforms to suppress the speech that they don't like, then it's
00:36:47.020 up to the FTC to make sure that that sort of cooperation and collusion doesn't move into
00:36:51.840 the private sector.
00:36:53.100 No advertiser cartels, no cooperation among the platforms to say, hey, let's all just agree
00:36:58.280 we're not going to allow this type of speech.
00:36:59.940 And I think that that's where the FTC and the FCC, the way that future Chairman Carr has
00:37:05.400 talked about it, can do really, really important work.
00:37:08.000 And I'm very excited that, you know, I will get to be a part of what I hope is the Trump
00:37:12.640 administration's strong push to address the problem of antitrust violations that may cause
00:37:19.440 censorship.
00:37:19.940 So I'm curious your thoughts on what you think their pivot is going to look like, sort of on
00:37:26.120 two fronts, right?
00:37:26.700 You talk about this collusion, this sort of public-private partnership, that equation equals
00:37:31.660 then mass censorship of the American people, sort of taking out the public, right, aspect
00:37:38.060 of that partnership.
00:37:39.440 Do you think that they look sort of overseas?
00:37:41.900 Like we said, so much of the censorship stuff can sort of emanate, particularly from the UK.
00:37:46.720 There's a lot of activity there.
00:37:47.960 Even Australia is pushing sort of interesting bills.
00:37:50.920 And then also, too, sort of, I guess, a corollary to that question, you know, CISA, right?
00:37:55.100 You referenced that.
00:37:55.960 Even the sort of NGO type ones, at least those that receive the taxpayer funds, the National
00:38:00.740 Endowment of the Democracy, you know, those type of organizations.
00:38:04.400 Do you think that they can be reformed?
00:38:07.400 Or do you think that CISA and entities like that that have proven that they're really only
00:38:11.760 good for censorship, they haven't really had a stellar track record on anything cybersecurity
00:38:15.600 wise, or should they just be shut down and defunded?
00:38:19.160 Or can they be changed from within?
00:38:23.020 My general view is that there are lots of things that the government ought to get rid of entirely,
00:38:28.960 but that can be hard to do, especially at the beginning.
00:38:31.880 And my experience, especially, you know, when I worked in Congress, I clerked for Clarence
00:38:36.220 Thomas several years ago, and then I worked in Congress confirming President Trump's judges.
00:38:41.040 And my view of this is that personnel is policy.
00:38:43.800 And making these personnel decisions about who's going to run CISA, who's going to run
00:38:47.800 the FCC, who's going to be at the FTC, who's going to be at the State Department sort of
00:38:52.020 making these contracting decisions with these NGOs is critically important.
00:38:56.520 And, you know, some of this just has to be categorically shut down.
00:38:59.900 Some of it is too diseased to cure.
00:39:02.140 But others, you know, I think that there can be cures to this sort of thing.
00:39:06.560 But it becomes really important both to pick the right people to run these things.
00:39:10.520 And also, look, we have this problem.
00:39:13.180 I've written about it at the FTC.
00:39:14.780 We have this problem where we have like two different types of governments.
00:39:17.820 We have the government that we elect at the ballot box, which is the president who selects
00:39:22.100 his cabinet.
00:39:23.040 But then we have this massive bureaucratic apparatus underneath them that have been here
00:39:30.020 before the election.
00:39:31.440 And they think they're going to be here after the election.
00:39:33.740 And they often sort of like operate for their own interests without thinking of the common
00:39:38.440 good of you and me and our fellow Americans.
00:39:40.780 And I think that President Trump's election gives a real opportunity to the government and
00:39:46.440 to us as Americans to address that problem, which is how do we get control of sort of the
00:39:52.900 administrative state or the deep state, which is another name for it, that sort of operates
00:39:57.200 independently of the political part of the government that you and I have voted for and tends
00:40:02.980 to do stuff that's inconsistent with Americans' interests, even if that isn't what the American
00:40:06.980 people voted for.
00:40:07.860 And I think that that's one of the big, important fights that President Trump is going to have
00:40:14.920 is sort of getting his arms around the deep state and turning it toward the interests of
00:40:20.820 the American people.
00:40:22.220 At least in my own experience at the FTC, I think one of the most important ways to do
00:40:27.380 that is the power to remove officials.
00:40:30.540 And for a long time, Congress insulated officials kind of across the board from being removed by
00:40:36.620 the sort of political operations of the politically appointed people at these branches.
00:40:42.220 The court has been scaling that back.
00:40:43.900 The court has been striking down removal protections.
00:40:46.560 I think that's moving in the right direction.
00:40:48.580 But I don't think, you know, I don't think we should pin all our hopes on just shutting
00:40:52.400 down parts of the government.
00:40:53.620 Parts of it we're going to have to, but parts of it are going to be harder to do.
00:40:56.580 I think we need to pin our hopes on getting the right people politically appointed in the
00:41:00.800 government and then taking very seriously that everyone in the government, from the lowest
00:41:05.280 career official to the highest appointed official from President Trump, works for the American
00:41:10.700 people, and it is never in the interest of the American people to censor their speech.
00:41:15.200 This country depends on all of us being able to share our ideas, and bad speech doesn't go
00:41:21.060 away because of censorship.
00:41:22.400 The only way to counter misinformation is real information, and that means we need the free
00:41:28.220 exchange of ideas and a marketplace of ideas.
00:41:30.660 And I think that I am so excited about the prospects after this election of the president
00:41:36.000 getting control of the deep state and turning the government in favor of the interests of
00:41:40.380 the American people rather than against them.
00:41:44.120 Andrew, if people want to follow you, stay up to date with everything you're doing, I'm
00:41:49.360 sure the audience rests very well, sleeps very well at night knowing that people like you
00:41:54.080 are heading up the FTC, an actual government entity that we can support.
00:41:59.840 Truly, thank you for everything you've done.
00:42:01.380 Where can people go to stay up to date with everything you're working on?
00:42:05.000 You can follow me at afergusonftc on X, and you can go to the commission's website,
00:42:11.380 ftc.gov, and you can go to my biography page on ftc.gov website.
00:42:19.080 It's got all of my dissents and concurrences where I talk about AI, censorship, and promoting
00:42:25.740 innovation in our vibrant American economy.
00:42:29.000 You know you're a good guest when Mike Davis is texting me while you're on, talking, gassing
00:42:34.540 you up, hyping you up.
00:42:36.900 Obviously, the posse loves Mike Davis.
00:42:39.880 Yes, he is.
00:42:41.000 I think MSNBC agrees with me.
00:42:43.400 So does Jack Smith, maybe.
00:42:45.040 Andrew, thank you so much for joining us.
00:42:47.340 We will happily have you back on soon.
00:42:49.680 I would love to get more in-depth on all of these issues.
00:42:52.140 It's near and dear to the War Room Posse's heart and mine, too.
00:42:55.740 Andrew, thank you so much for joining us.
00:42:57.360 And War Room Posse, thank you for hanging with me.
00:42:59.440 We're going to come to Dr. Naomi Wolf after the break.
00:43:02.720 We've got to go through, give you the signal, not noise on the latest sort of HHS vaccine
00:43:09.240 health-adjacent picks in Trump's cabinet and how, indeed, we are going to Maha.
00:43:15.360 We're going to make America healthy again.
00:43:18.480 And Dr. Naomi Wolf is a crucial part of that.
00:43:20.660 We'll be right back.
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00:44:43.720 Here's your host, Stephen K.
00:44:45.800 Mann.
00:44:52.280 You're back in the War Room.
00:44:54.440 We are joined now by Dr. Naomi Wolf, who I just sort of want to tee it up for her and 0.94
00:44:58.680 let her go off until the end of the show. 0.98
00:45:01.560 Just your sort of broad, overarching analysis of a lot of Trump's cabinet picks, NIH director,
00:45:08.520 HHS secretary, kind of all that.
00:45:11.160 Your thoughts on where we stand?
00:45:13.000 Yeah, well, he's a fast learner.
00:45:15.720 I've got to hand it to President Trump.
00:45:19.920 He pivots very, very quickly.
00:45:21.680 And I don't know whether that's that his picks were made in advance for some key health
00:45:28.240 nominations.
00:45:28.900 And some were seen as duds by Maha and others were really, really good that just happened
00:45:35.780 to follow them.
00:45:36.400 Or if he actually learns in real time as he's choosing and seeing the reaction.
00:45:41.800 But there were a slate of nominees that ranged from kind of a three in their reception by
00:45:50.680 general audiences, but especially the Make America Healthy Again team, who's been watching
00:45:56.860 this avidly.
00:45:57.940 And then there was an absolute home run or several home runs.
00:46:01.980 So basically, we all know about RFK Jr. having been first tapped to lead HHS.
00:46:09.040 And that's going to be a fight.
00:46:10.440 Obviously, there's a lot at stake.
00:46:13.900 A lot of powerful industries don't want this pick to go through and don't want to give that
00:46:21.920 incredible amount of power to someone who, as I've said here recently on your show, knows
00:46:28.420 how to read the crimes that are buried in the records of the agencies that he'll be overseeing.
00:46:35.860 But last Friday, President Trump also released former Representative Dave Weldon to direct the
00:46:44.200 CDC, which is really interesting.
00:46:47.980 He's a Republican former congressman from Florida.
00:46:52.700 He is, I would say, an uncontroversial pick.
00:46:56.480 But it is refreshing that the CDC, which was the site of so much wrongdoing, is going to be in
00:47:04.280 the hands of someone who's at least not in the pocket of pharma or not in the pocket of these
00:47:11.140 giant health care systems the way that Dr. Rochelle Walensky was.
00:47:15.900 There was a huge home run with the selection for running the FDA of Marty McCary.
00:47:22.880 And Marty McCary has been a favorite of kind of the Brownstone team.
00:47:27.160 That's a publication run by our friend Jeffrey Tucker, who has been promoting the work of Marty
00:47:34.580 McCary.
00:47:35.800 Marty McCary is a highly credentialed, highly trained kind of institutional health guy who
00:47:46.460 has come forward during the last two years to be publicly critical, including the Wall Street
00:47:52.100 Journal, you know, which was the first legacy media outlet, as I recall, to run that kind
00:47:57.100 of perspective, highly critical of the lockdowns and very critical of the mandates.
00:48:02.260 It doesn't mean that he has a perfect record from the very kind of demanding point of view
00:48:08.780 of hardcore Maha people like the health community leadership.
00:48:14.580 It's been an evolution for him, but he's a highly credentialed person.
00:48:18.540 I don't think he's going to have any problem, and I think he's popular.
00:48:22.240 There's been no resistance that I've seen from both Maha and legacy kind of establishment
00:48:30.260 figures.
00:48:31.680 Now, there was a dud, I think, just to be honest.
00:48:36.000 Jeanette Meshewa, as the next Surgeon General, really fell flat. 0.99
00:48:40.220 She's a former Fox commentator.
00:48:44.980 She's been a complete cheerleader. 0.62
00:48:47.140 It's a really surprising selection.
00:48:49.420 She's been a complete cheerleader for vaccines. 0.88
00:48:53.020 She's been on board repeating things that were just not true from the CDC about safe and
00:48:58.420 effective vaccines.
00:49:01.160 She was, believe it or not, in a dancing nurses video.
00:49:05.680 She has no record of having given any critical thought to the lockdowns or the mandates.
00:49:13.820 She's encouraged complete compliance, masking of children.
00:49:20.000 It's kind of a disastrous, from the point of view of Maha, it's a disastrous selection.
00:49:24.380 And I think that the home run that followed, I think just yesterday, I hope, was a reaction
00:49:32.720 to the very negative response of Maha to Neshewa's selection.
00:49:38.900 And so yesterday, our favorite, favorite, favorite epidemiologist, our favorite band doctor, our
00:49:46.640 favorite public health hero, Dr. Jay Bhattacharya of Stanford, was tapped to run the National
00:49:53.960 Institutes of Health.
00:49:56.580 And that's huge.
00:49:58.680 Why is that huge?
00:50:00.020 Dr. Bhattacharya is one of the signatories of the Great Barrington Declaration.
00:50:04.080 And the Great Barrington Declaration, as you recall, was an October 2020 manifesto, essentially,
00:50:16.560 that was signed by Dr. Bhattacharya, his colleague, Dr. Martin Kulldorff, then of Harvard, a distinguished
00:50:22.600 infectious diseases epidemiologist, disclosure, a friend of mine.
00:50:26.600 I like to believe that Jay Bhattacharya is also a friend of mine.
00:50:29.000 And also Dr. Sinatra Gupta of Oxford, who's a vaccine specialist and also an epidemiologist.
00:50:37.520 All of these distinguished public health experts.
00:50:41.260 But the Great Barrington Declaration was very controversial.
00:50:45.700 If you go read it now, which I encourage everyone to do, it's insanely moderate, right?
00:50:52.640 Basically, what the Great Barrington Declaration says, and again, remember, this is October 2020,
00:50:58.880 before the mandates and rollouts, the rollout of the vaccine, which took place a month later,
00:51:04.300 that people had been locked at home, kids had been forced away from the classroom.
00:51:09.180 And it basically says natural immunity is real.
00:51:12.320 Sooner or later, we're going to reach herd immunity.
00:51:14.680 Young, healthy people are at very little risk from this, less than a serious flu.
00:51:18.140 They should be left alone to go to class, go to work.
00:51:22.260 You know, everyone should go back to school.
00:51:24.620 And basically, the only people who are at serious risk from this disease are the very elderly
00:51:29.760 and immunocompromised.
00:51:31.300 And they should be supported in kind of being protected.
00:51:36.320 They called it focused protection.
00:51:38.440 So basically, they were saying, let everyone out of their cages.
00:51:42.180 And if people are at a special risk, give them support, help them get through this.
00:51:49.240 Completely same.
00:51:50.720 And Dr. Wolf, we're coming up against the end of the show.
00:51:53.520 We'll definitely have you back.
00:51:54.580 There's so much that we've got to go through.
00:51:55.840 But in the meantime, if people want to follow you, get all the Daily Cloud stuff, the books,
00:51:59.140 where can they go to do that?
00:52:00.880 Thank you.
00:52:01.420 They really should go to the Pfizer Papers on Amazon and order multiple copies and support
00:52:08.340 us at dailycloud.io and support me on Outspoken on Substack.
00:52:13.060 Thank you so much.
00:52:14.020 And I love your new set.
00:52:15.060 And happy, happy, happy Saturday.
00:52:18.180 Thank you.
00:52:18.880 Thank you.
00:52:19.480 I know the audience that used to move and then the audience was like, I'm getting seasick.
00:52:23.460 It needs to stop moving.
00:52:24.940 So I told the studio that they need to pause it.
00:52:27.080 A little upgrade from the palm trees.
00:52:29.300 Dr. Wolf, thank you so much for joining us.
00:52:31.420 On this lovely Saturday morning and warm posse, as always, thank you for hanging out with
00:52:36.620 me.
00:52:36.820 Quite a packed show.
00:52:38.180 I will see you back here on Monday.
00:52:40.640 Have a good one.
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