Episode 4109： Watch Out For The Blanket Pardons
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After days of remaining conspicuously silent on the fate of Pete Hegseth, Donald Trump weighed in on the matter today, saying, Pete is a winner in all caps. But what Donald Trump is doing outside of posting on social media is a very different story.
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growing pile of allegations against him, from allegations of sexual misconduct and alcohol
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abuse, as well as alleged financial mismanagement, to say nothing of Hegsess extremist views about
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things like the medieval crusades and what the New York Times describes as Hegsess, quote,
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praise for the brutal religious military campaigns of the past, which according to the Times,
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Hegsess sees as, quote, a model for today. So it was notable when after days of
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remaining conspicuously silent on the fate of Hegsess nomination, today Donald Trump weighed in
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on how, quote, Pete Hegsess is doing very well and how, quote, Pete is a winner in all caps. But what
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Donald Trump is doing outside of posting on social media is a very different story. Washington Post
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reports this, quote, Hegsess has been told not to expect Donald Trump to apply pressure to Republican
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senators to get him over the finish line for confirmation next month. That is according to
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two people familiar with the discussions who spoke anonymously, meaning Donald Trump appears to be
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unwilling to spend any of his own political capital to save Hegsess, preferring what looks like a
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Hunger Games, may the odds be ever in your favor approach, a sink or swim gambit that could prove
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politically risky, given that after four straight days of a wannabe charm offensive on Capitol Hill,
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Hegsess still doesn't have the votes to be confirmed. The Hill crunched those numbers. Hegsess can only
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afford three Republican defections. But, quote, a Senate Republican aide told the Hill that as many as eight
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Republican senators are prepared to vote against Hegsess, most of them not willing to call publicly for Hegsess to
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resign because they don't want to be criticized by Trump's MAGA allies. One Republican senator put
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it a little more bluntly, telling the Hill this, quote, I think most people do not expect Hegsess to
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make it. There's seven or eight Republican votes against him. It's a matter of time. Hegsess nomination
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is on death watch, end quote. And the hurdles Hegsess still has to clear are formidable. Arguably one of the
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most influential Senate Republicans in terms of Hegsess nomination. Senator Joni Ernst, who yesterday
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told Fox that she is not yet a yes, has no plans to meet with Hegsess again today. Next week, Hegsess is
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expected to sit down with Republican Senator Susan Collins, who has stated that the charges of
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impropriety against Hegsess are exactly why cabinet picks ought to be subjected to FBI background checks.
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In other words, anything could happen. Buckle up.
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Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people.
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I got a free shot. All these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly full of it.
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I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that,
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but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen. And where do people like that go to share
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the big line? MAGA media. I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
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Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country,
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It's Friday, 6th December, year of our Lord, 2024. You're in the War Room. Thank you for tuning in to our
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late afternoon, early evening show. We're going to get into it, Pete Hegseth. What does Nicole Wallace say?
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Buckle up and get ready. Well, look, we know the tide is turning. The inside baseball is the tide is
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turning for Pete Hegseth. People know that. One of the reasons is Pete's a very charismatic
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individual. President Trump has seen the, you know, President Trump's not going to work the
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phones. He doesn't have to work the phones. Pete Hegseth has a responsibility to go up there and make
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his case to these folks in the Senate. He's making his case. He's charismatic. He's got good ideas.
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People are supporting him. And I think this is going to come down. I think when Joni Ernst says,
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hey, I support Pete Hegseth and Pete Hegseth is going to find, we're going to get this thing done.
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And I think the key thing for right now for Senator Ernst is we got to find an off ramp for her,
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right? She's a little bit out there on the limb. She didn't want to be primaried in, you know,
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in this, she's in cycle. You know, you don't want to, you don't want to have MAGA all over you in Iowa.
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No need to do that. Very unnecessary, particularly for a guy like Pete Hegseth,
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who can be a, and will be a great secretary of defense, especially in the time we're in the
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early years of the kinetic part of the third world war. I'm going to bring in somebody who
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knows him very well from the article three project, Mike Davis. We got Mark Lucas. He's
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one of Mike's partners over there. Mark, you've got a long history with Pete. Can you walk us through
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it, sir? Yes. Thank you, Steve. I've known Pete Hegseth for over 10 years and we served together
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in the 34th infantry division. He was in the Minnesota national guard. I was in the Iowa national
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guard is the famous red bull division. Our motto is attack, attack, attack. And I've also served with
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Pete, uh, with concerned veterans for America. Pete was my predecessor and I was able to see what Pete
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was, uh, able to accomplish with CVA. I inherited his executive team, his strategy and Pete Hegseth,
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along with president Donald Trump and myself, were able to usher in some of the most historic
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victories in the history of the VA. We were able to pass the VA accountability and whistleblower
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protection act and also the mission act. And Pete understood the VA inside and out. He's got
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incredible pedigree. He went to Harvard. He went to Princeton and Steve, you're absolutely right.
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Pete is so charismatic. He connects with people all across the country. I brought him to my home
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state of Iowa. Uh, we live broadcasted my Iowa caucus and in Iowa city. And you should have seen
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the love that people had for Pete. Normal caucus goers absolutely love him. He can communicate to the
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grassroots, but he can also hold his own in serious in-depth policy conversations. And that's the one
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thing that Pete was so helpful for me too, was that when it came to reforming the bureaucracy of the VA,
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when it looked, when we're looking forward towards the DOD and understanding the threats inside the
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building, but also the threats OCONUS, uh, Pete understands all of that. So I think that Pete
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Hegseth, uh, is going to be one of the stars in the cabinet for president Trump. And I believe that,
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uh, he will sail through with the confirmation. Okay. I want to go back by the way, you know,
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when you get, when you're accepted as an undergraduate at Princeton, I would argue even more than Harvard
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and Yale, my beloved Harvard and Yale that it is. And I was in the graduate school there, the trade
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schools I'm talking about at the college level, Princeton, I think is at Stanford level is
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the hardest to get into. I mean, it's the most selective. So if you're, you're at Princeton,
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you're, you're, you're bringing some heat intellectually, but I want to go back to the
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34th infantry division. Yesterday, we had a tweet that, that Pete put up in Denver, if you'd be so
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kind, uh, had the battlefield cross on it. Uh, and Pete had tweeted it out about his experiences.
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Talk to me about the formative, the formative years of Pete Hegseth and yourself as, uh, as combat
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vets. Walk me through that. What, what were the lessons he learned and why is that important?
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We keep pushing the fact that we've had enough older guys. We've had enough, you know, what we
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need now. Clearly there's an issue with field grade officers. Some of these generals and admirals
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are being woke. What were the lessons you guys took from the battlefield and why are they
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important for application in the Pentagon today, sir?
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Well, Pete is a warfighter first. He's a true pipe hitter. We were both infantry platoon leaders.
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Uh, he served in Iraq and Afghanistan. Uh, I was an infantry platoon leader along the
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Afghan Pakistani border in 2010 and 2011. It was the deadliest period of the war. We had more KAs at
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that point than at any other point in the war. So Pete understands what it means to take fire.
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Washington DC is not going to scare him. He was a door kicker. He saw real combat. And that's part
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of the reason why these guys in the Pentagon are nervous. He never became a colonel or a general
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officer. He never worked within the military industrial complex. He comes from a junior officer
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mentality, which means he cares about his soldiers. You know, I introduced him to some young enlisted
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soldiers here in Iowa and he could cut it up with them. Like he was one of the guys and yet he could
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go to the Pentagon. And I'll tell you what, Steve, I don't care what rank these guys are. I don't care
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how long they spend in Washington. They will not be able to keep up with Pete Hegseth. So with his
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formidable years experiencing IDs and calling in close air support, he understands what it takes to win
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and he is not going to give up. He's in a fight. And I was so happy to see him this week,
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start talking with the media, engaging them because the best defender of Pete Hegseth and the best
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defender of the new direction that we need to go at the Pentagon is Pete Hegseth.
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Let me talk about that direction for a second. Besides the budgets and material,
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I mean, you guys are over there. We're fighting these two wars. They take 20 years combined.
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If you leave the contractors out, the contractors are all just former enlisted and junior officers,
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but you've got almost 10,000, I think, KIAs. You've got another 50,000, you know, wounded
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casualties. I've heard, I think the number is another 15,000 contractors who are all former military
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guys. And you look back in those years, do you think what you guys went through would inform his
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decisions of when we actually commit combat troops to a situation, sir?
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Absolutely. You know, I joined the military after 9-11. I remember that morning very vividly.
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It left a lasting impression on my life. And I wanted to go over there and get some,
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to be quite honest. I wanted to take the fight to these radicals who are willing to kill Americans,
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innocent Americans. And that's why Pete and I joined. But I didn't get to Afghanistan until 2010,
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nine years after the initial attack. And what I learned when my boots hit the ground was we had no
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strategy to win. My men and I, we did not lose a single fight. I told my men that we were going to
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be the dominant predator. We were going to be the most ruthless people the enemy's ever seen,
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but we were also going to be the most compassionate to the local populace. And so we were surging forces
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under General Petraeus nine years after the initial invasion. Year after year, their new strategy after
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new strategy. And I was young. I was in my 20s. But I quickly realized that this wasn't about winning.
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There was no plan to win. It was all about having a recurring revenue stream for the big military
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industrial complex. That's what it was all about. So Pete understands that. And because we had to
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endure this combat, because we know what the true cost of combat entails, we will ensure that when
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we dedicate forces overseas, that is the right thing to do. Because we learned from Iraq and from
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Afghanistan, we were duped once. We're not going to be duped again. This is so important. I think this
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is what the thing itself is. I want to go back over this. Because you're a pizza conservative,
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you're a Republican, you're a patriot. I'm going to volunteer, I'm going to sign up, I'm going to go.
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And you get there in 2010, you wake up, call. In 17, President Trump tasked me originally to be,
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let's get everything on the table about how do we wind down Afghanistan. This is seven years later.
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Seven years later. In the Pentagon, in the apparatus, the intelligence, they just want to
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tap you along. They want to completely tap you along. We didn't get out until Biden's watch and
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then a fiasco in 20 years. This is why Pete Hegseth, in the angle of attack that Pete Hegseth has,
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and how his formation as a combat leader will be so important when you're sitting there and having to
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make those decisions, not in the Pentagon. I'm talking about over the National Security Council
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and the Kennedy Conference Room. Your thoughts, Mark? No, you're absolutely right. I also volunteered
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to go to South Korea at the height of the crisis with Kim Jong-un. And what I saw during that experience
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was how much of a disruptor President Donald Trump was in foreign policy. And Pete Hegseth shares that
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mentality. I thought we were destined for war. I remember going over there. I worked in a bunker
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every day. I was looking at high-resolution imagery of North Korean soldiers. It was getting very
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serious. But Donald Trump completely challenged the status quo. And he said, well, why don't I talk to
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Kim Jong-un? I think it's good to talk to people with nuclear weapons. And I saw President Trump's
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leadership completely change the dynamics on the peninsula. And the American people don't understand
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it would have been one of the most mass casualty events in the history of the world. I don't think
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people would be prepared for that. Pete Hegseth shares that same mentality. He's not going to go
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along with all these policy think tank policy wonks who say, oh, we have to do this or we have to do that
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because we've been doing it for generation after generation. He's going to challenge things. He's
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going to be fully aligned with President Trump. And that's going to be refreshing.
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Mark, hang on for one second. We'll hold you through the break. Natalie Winters is going to
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join us. She's going to be riding shotgun. We've got a lot to talk about. Some of our favorite folks
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over at the White House trying to get themselves some blanket preemptive pardons, whatever in the
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hell that is. Some of the folks in back of these color revolutions. Short commercial break.
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We're in return. We've got Mark Lewis from Article 3 talking about his buddy, Pete Hegseth. Short break.
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Welcome back. Mark Lucas from Article 3 joins us. This morning, if you caught the morning show,
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we started this morning with a clip from Stanley Kubrick's masterpiece, 1957, Paths of Glory.
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And the famous scene where Kirk Douglas is about to lead his troops. It's a French army about to lead
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their troops over the top into no man's land. As we told you, it was fixed bayonets on defense of Pete Hegseth
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and Kash Patel and Tulsi Gabbard and Bobby Kennedy. Because if you don't, if we don't have the backs of
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these folks, they're going to pick them off one at a time, Linsky-like. And Pete was looking a little grim
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yesterday. And I think President Trump was seeing what Pete could do, the resilience of Pete. What
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President Trump likes is resilience. The ability to take a punch and to respond to a punch. Pick
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yourself up off the mat and punch back. And you're seeing that from Pete Hegseth. And I think we've
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turned this thing around. One of the reasons we've done that or how we've done it is, Mark, tell us
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about the Article 3 Action Center. What do you guys have over there? Because we're looking for as many
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touch points as possible. We got Bill Blaster. You guys had the Action Center. We want people
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engaged as possible. The War Room Posse throws a big punch. People know that. Got a lot of media
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attention today on our open. And quite frankly, this block of shows that Real America's Voice in the
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morning, the two hours of War Room, two hours of Charlie Kirk, one hour of Jack Posobiec, kind of five
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hours with a break and then back to another two hours of the War Room that has Pete's back and making
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a priority because, you know, Jack and I are former military, knowing how important this Secretary of
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Defense is. So tell me about the Action Center. What can people do now to help Pete out in the
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audience? Yes, Steve. If you remember, Kash Patel was supposed to be dead on arrival, but you quickly
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went to his defense. So did Mike Davis. The Article 3 project launched our Action Alert to encourage
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the U.S. Senate to confirm Kash Patel. And we had over 20,000 messages lobbed in to U.S. senators all
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across the country. And because of you doing your shaping operation, Steve, on War Room, because of the
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grassroots efforts from Bill Blaster and also from the A3P Action Center, Kash went from being DOA to he's
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going to need a speedy confirmation. And even Joni Ernst, my home state senator, who's experienced some
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speed bumps with Pete Hegseth, she came out strongly in support of Kash Patel. And with Pete Hegseth, we
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just launched our Action Alert yesterday. Just a little less than 24 hours ago, we've been able to
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recruit close to 3,000 activists who have taken close to 6,000 actions. So if you go to A3Paction.com
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or the article number three project.org, you can click on our Action Center and you can contact both
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your U.S. senators. You can email them. You can tweet at them. You can even call them. You can
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conduct all those actions in less than two minutes. So go to A3Paction.com. And I think Joni Ernst is
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going to become a yes on Pete Hegseth. We've got to let her know that the grassroots support Pete
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Hegseth. They support President Trump. And I believe she'll come along just like she did with Kash Patel.
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And look, I agree with like women in combat. I mean, Mo went to West Point, served in Iraq. I
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disagree with Pete on some stuff. A lot of, you know, you're not going to agree on everything.
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You know, Pete's an open, open minded guy. And Senator Ernst is a combat vet. You know,
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she's a colonel, a tenant colonel. I want to go back because another hit on Pete is that he's on the
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curvy couch on weekends and he's never run anything more than an organization with five people.
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So in the Pentagon is the most complex industrial entity institution in the world. So you know,
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this guy for a long time and you particularly know him in a professional. How is he going to scale up?
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I mean, what's the leadership style here that people are going to feel comfortable
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that Pete Hegseth can come from a Saturday morning, you know, talk show hosts where they're cooking
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pancakes and having run a small veterans organization to actually enforce his will
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into what they call the building, sir. Yeah. So there's this misnomer that concerned
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veterans for America was just a complete train wreck when Pete Hegseth left. Well,
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I became the CVA executive director after Pete left and I retained his top staff. He had three people
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in particular that are just incredible. Some of the brightest policy minds. And also he had a
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grassroots army. And so before I joined CVA, I worked for a group called Americans for Prosperity.
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And we were very well known in state capitals for being effective in passing tax cuts, reducing
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spending and regulation. But we really struggled in D.C. and we had conversations. Do we just kind of
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take a step back and focus on state capitals? Well, when I went to CVA, it was completely a different
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story. Pete had CVA's grassroots army ready to deploy once President Trump got elected. He had a
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shaping operation that was unbelievable on Capitol Hill with the VA House Committee and the Senate
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Committee. And so when I came in the CVA, I saw an incredible leadership team. I had an incredible plan
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that I took from Pete Hegseth. And we were able to pass two of the largest reforms in the history of the
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CVA because of Pete Hegseth. And those grassroots volunteers all across the country, it's not easy
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to wrangle those guys. And so Pete has the leadership experience, but he also has the vision.
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So I was able to brief President Trump on CVA's plan, which was Pete Hegseth's plan. And I was able
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to tell President Trump that the CVA plan will help him achieve all of his objectives, the 10 objectives
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he had on the campaign trail when he campaigned for President on helping our vets. And we were able
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to implement that in two quick years. And I see that Pete Hegseth understands the vision, but he also
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knows how to put together a team. And I know that because I inherited this team and it was world class.
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Well, you know, over at MSNBC, which we break down every night with CNN, you know, brother Chris Hayes,
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Lawrence O'Donnell, Joy Ann Reed, the whole crowd over there. I thought CVA was a complete
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train wreck. I thought it was destroyed. I thought he ran everybody off. Either he made passes at the
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women or got drunk in front of the guys and everybody was repulsed. So there was nothing.
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Are you, you're, you're breaking some news here. You're actually saying that you relieved the watch
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in a real organization and were actually able to take that organization, go brief President Trump.
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And that was one of the foundational elements of the big VA changes President Trump made in his first
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term. Absolutely. And I remember when I briefed President Trump on the VA plan,
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it was the VA accountability and whistleblower protection act. And I was really pushing the
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president and his staff in the room that they need to put that bill on Mitch McConnell's desk
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in the first hundred days. And I was able to also leverage Pete Hegseth because I told President
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Trump that he was my predecessor and President Trump's eyes lit up. He said, you know, Pete,
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I love Pete. I want to hire him. But he said that my staff is telling me he's better for me on Fox,
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which was kind of true because Pete was able to come down from time to time,
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part time on his own time to help us with some serious policy conversations along with other
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veteran service organizations. And so Pete Hegseth is really responsible along with President Trump
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for some of those big reforms that delivered those key victories, Steve, that you remember early on in
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his first term when, you know, Paul Ryan and those guys in Congress are trying to figure out
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who's President Trump and we couldn't get tax reform done quicker enough because Congress is
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in the way. Pete Hegseth and his vision for the VA was the biggest and earliest policy victory for
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No, this is the 2017, that and the tax cut because Paul Ryan and the guys did a face plant on the
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Obamacare. Mark, where can people get you? I think you're going to be doing a lot of media here
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because here's the thing that's shocking. I'm going to get Natalie here in a second.
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But if you watch the mainstream media, literally they say Pete Hegseth destroyed both veterans
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groups. And here we got Mark Lucas, who said, no, he didn't destroy it. Turn it over. Great.
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I was able to go to President Trump. And this was one of the big, this is one of the foundational
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elements for President Trump's wins in 2017. It just shows you the complete lies and how they
00:25:06.460
spin things. So I want to make sure this word gets out that Hegseth is the real deal.
00:25:10.700
And Steve, also, I'm putting my name and my face on all of this. I'm not doing anonymous
00:25:18.180
sources. I volunteered this morning to testify in front of the Senate Armed Service Committee
00:25:23.980
to be a character witness for Pete's nomination. My good friend, Mike Davis, who I've known since
00:25:28.440
college, who's the expert on confirmations. Article 3 Project is all in on Pete Hegseth.
00:25:35.620
And you can go to article3project.org. I'm not quite as hot on Twitter or X or Getter as my
00:25:41.640
friend Mike Davis. I'm not nearly as angry or as Irish, but you can follow me at LucasIowa
00:25:49.760
Hang on a second, Lucas. When Davis first came on, he was a nice, calm guy like you. Now
00:25:55.220
he's the Viceroy. He's a whole thing. So we're going to watch the arc of you over at Article 3.
00:26:02.840
You guys do amazing work. And I think this center that's Mike is known as the pro's pro for these
00:26:08.680
confirmations. So it's so it's so, I think, powerful and necessary for President Trump to
00:26:13.640
have outside groups like yourselves that really know the ins and outs of this. So really thank
00:26:17.620
you. Do you have once again, do you have personal Twitter? Can we get that up? What is it?
00:26:21.980
Yes, it's at LucasIowa. And be sure to also go to the Article 3 Project's website to take action
00:26:28.740
to let Joni Ernst and every U.S. Senator know that we need to support Pete Hegseth. So thank you so
00:26:33.820
much, Steve, for having me on. Thank you, brother. Appreciate you.
00:26:41.000
I tell you what, I'm going to do whatever I'm going to hold Natalie. I want to play her call
00:26:44.260
open and I'll bring her in there. We're going to bring in Natalie Winters who's going to join us
00:26:47.280
for the next block. We've got a lot to talk about. Some of the folks that Natalie focuses on,
00:26:52.280
on color revolution and some of her investigative reporting, you know where they're spending their
00:26:56.000
time, they're spending their time over the White House, burning the midnight oil because
00:27:02.400
Kash Patel, Natalie Winters, Mike Benz, Darren Beattie have been picking on them, have been
00:27:09.920
picking on Fauci and, you know, picking on these people, throw in Julie Kelly, been picking on
00:27:15.560
these people, Jack Smith. They're over there looking for, they're working on a new concept,
00:27:19.840
a new contract. Take your number two pencil out. We have some nomenclature. A blanket,
00:27:24.680
preemptive pardon. A blanket, preemptive pardon. For any known or unknown crime now or anywhere at
00:27:33.400
any time in eternity or back to the beginning of time or even beforehand in any part of the
00:27:38.860
universe. How about that? Natalie Winters is going to join us. Have a short commercial break.
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I handled tax and weapons cases over my many years as a defense lawyer. Nobody else,
00:29:37.820
not named Biden, would have been prosecuted for these tax peccadilloes. Certainly,
00:29:45.080
the no-jail plea, which was agreed with the government, would have been proper. Hunter Biden
00:29:51.960
is at risk of being persecuted by a coming Trump administration. The former president and incoming
00:30:00.040
future president has said he would target the Bidens. So the larger logic of justice says a
00:30:08.720
partner is proper. Whereas when you look at other worthy people who are targets of likely persecution,
00:30:16.340
like Mr. Cohen, they'd serve their sentences. So I think this was a start, but I hope the White
00:30:25.820
House will proceed, President Biden will proceed to, in the name of justice, pardon others as well.
00:30:34.220
Dr. Bonham's case in England, and it's still true today. And there's another limitation
00:30:40.580
on the president's pardon power. Nobody thinks the president could take bribes to issue pardons.
00:30:47.460
So if the president were to act corruptly, for example, if he were to pardon Michael Flynn or Paul
00:30:55.020
Manafort or Donald Trump Jr. in order that the president himself avoided being implicated by those
00:31:02.840
individuals, if they testified at their trials, that would be a corrupt pardon.
00:31:07.660
Depends on the breadth of the wording, and that's why folks like me will sit and wordsmith some of
00:31:13.620
these things if President Biden decides to do them, because they want to insulate these preemptive
00:31:19.120
pardons from challenge. But, Jose, a preemptive pardon is not without its own dangers. Remember, if you
00:31:24.960
pardon someone, you're removing their criminal exposure in the past, I mean, for their past
00:31:30.240
actions. And that means they can't invoke the Fifth Amendment, for example, with respect to that
00:31:35.000
conduct if they're called upon to testify in other criminal proceedings or even before Congress.
00:31:40.000
That would mean if Joe Biden were to preemptively pardon, for example, Jack Smith and others on his
00:31:44.780
team, he would also be subjecting them to lengthy congressional hearings, potentially, at which they
00:31:50.900
could not say, I invoke the Fifth Amendment. They may have other privileges, including the attorney-client
00:31:55.560
privilege that applies to their work for the Justice Department. But it could expose other people
00:32:00.580
to having to talk ad nauseum about what they have done and, of course, subject themselves to future
00:32:06.500
charges for perjury if they're found not to be telling the truth.
00:32:10.360
Whoa. Natalie Winters. Oh, my God. Thank you, guys. Great cuts. Let's take the first one.
00:32:17.180
One of your nemesis, Norm Eisen. Explain to the audience who he is and why is he becoming such a big
00:32:23.420
deal? He wrote a huge op-ed in Newsweek magazine. He's becoming a major player in these. I want people to get
00:32:30.440
the number two pencils out. Blanket preemptive pardons. This is what the Biden regime is spending
00:32:37.640
their time on in the closing days of the regime. Norm Eisen, who is he? Why is he important? And why
00:32:45.920
has he become such a player in this process, ma'am? Well, Norm Eisen is a complete and utter hack,
00:32:52.640
and I think you see it on full display right there. But I think you have to contextualize
00:32:57.600
this moment, particularly of the sort of democracy protectorate class, which Norm Eisen is one of the
00:33:03.660
leading voices of. You know, the same people who sit up there and say that, well, we can't have
00:33:08.160
Pete Hegseth because he tarnished the reputation of an organization that advocated for veterans.
00:33:13.800
I'm sorry. What has Norm Eisen or, frankly, any senator done in the past to actually help American
00:33:19.180
veterans? You know, absolutely nothing, right? It's selective outrage, and it's performative.
00:33:23.860
I wish these senators would audit the, what is it, trillion-dollar black hole that the Pentagon has
00:33:28.560
with the same level of intensity and scrutiny that they're going after Pete Hegseth's character.
00:33:33.920
But I think that you can sort of extrapolate out that critique and, just frankly, the double standard
00:33:39.340
BS performative activism coming from these people all the way to, like I said, the sort of democracy
00:33:46.460
sect of people, of which Norm Eisen has been one of the leading voices, the people who pushed for months,
00:33:52.400
for years, saying that, you know, Donald Trump is the largest existential threat to American
00:33:57.140
democracy. He's Hitler 2.0. If anything, he's probably worse. Remember, this is the same Norm
00:34:02.400
Eisen, who quite literally wrote the Color Revolution textbook playbook for the Brookings
00:34:08.580
Institution, talking about how in countries abroad like Hungary, particularly, it's interesting,
00:34:14.860
it's the countries that they always like to invoke in the mainstream media of the sort of think tank
00:34:19.500
Washington, D.C. groups, to draw parallels to President Trump here domestically, because they're
00:34:24.640
trying to bridge that gap so they can lay the pretext to roll out similar color revolution tactics
00:34:30.100
here at home. And why Norm Eisen is so important, right? He's the chosen lackey to hit the airwaves on CNN
00:34:36.820
to defend these blanket preemptive pardons. We're not even talking about just run-of-the-mill pardons.
00:34:41.800
We're talking about the fantastical creation of an entirely new form of pardon derived for what?
00:34:48.060
The most innocent people who I only ever hear them say, you know, how they've never committed
00:34:52.380
any crimes, yet they have to create an entirely new form. I mean, it is next-level gaslighting.
00:34:59.260
The carbon footprint of it would make the environmentalists mad. But the most wild part
00:35:03.640
of it, Steve, is that clip that I played after. And maybe people were able to tell that it was from
00:35:09.360
2017, because he didn't have the, like, Victorian lady white powder makeup on like he did for CNN.
00:35:16.420
But in that exact clip for a—I'm really making you laugh—for a clip for the Brookings Institution,
00:35:24.000
he literally says that Trump cannot pardon his son. And you know we love receipts here in the war room,
00:35:29.960
so I'll remind Norm, who loves Norm so much. He probably created his name to be named after it.
00:35:34.580
But he tweeted then in December 2017, and I quote, why Trump can't pardon himself at all,
00:35:40.460
or Jared, Don Jr., and others. He literally said that Trump could not pardon his family members,
00:35:45.860
and he went on an entire social media and think tank terror about why they couldn't do this.
00:35:50.720
But besides the obvious top-line hypocrisy, how easy it is to dunk on Norm for this double standard,
00:35:56.640
it's something much deeper, right? And this goes all the way back, like it always does,
00:36:01.940
to the Transition Integrity Project, which was, of course, that Soros, even Chinese Communist Party-funded
00:36:06.940
operation to steal the election from Donald Trump in 2020. And what was so interesting about this was
00:36:13.280
that they actually had an entire section in the memo where they were gamed out all the ways that
00:36:19.380
Donald Trump—and if Denver wants to put the picture up on screen, you can see it—how they thought
00:36:23.760
that President Trump was gonna go on a pardoning spree. They had a whole entire section called
00:36:27.980
Pardon Everyone. In almost every Transition Integrity Project scenario, Team Trump executed or prepared
00:36:33.700
for the pardon of relatives, campaign associates, and himself. In other words, you can't get a more
00:36:41.060
clear example of projection. And just to cap this all off, because again, like I said, you talk about
00:36:47.240
seizing the institutions right now. This is also about dominating the narrative against these people
00:36:53.240
who have bashed us over the head with the word democracy. They can't get through a sentence
00:36:58.700
without saying it 27 times. That these are the people who are now quite literally using the same
00:37:04.960
tactics and playbook that they have written Soros-funded white papers on about how countries
00:37:11.360
in Eastern Europe and countries that have taken up the populist mantle, the same tactics that they have
00:37:16.820
used that they call corrupt, so much so that Norm Eisen back in 2021, Steve, felt the need to write
00:37:22.980
an entire New York Times op-ed—we can toss the headline up on screen—the problem with Trump's
00:37:29.120
odious pardon of Steve Bannon. Wow, Norm, thank you. Hey, I want to play—Natalie, hang on for one second.
00:37:38.960
If Denver could play the lawyer at the second part, because I want to—I want you to—when she talks about,
00:37:44.880
hey, these pardons aren't free, because then you take about the Fifth Amendment,
00:37:49.040
listen to what she talks about of what will happen to these people. Let's go ahead and—can we play
00:37:53.180
that again? Depends on the breadth of the wording, and that's why folks like me will sit and wordsmith
00:37:59.420
some of these things if President Biden decides to do them, because they want to insulate these
00:38:04.900
preemptive pardons from challenge. But, Jose, a preemptive pardon is not without its own dangers.
00:38:09.680
Remember, if you pardon someone, you're removing their criminal exposure in the past—I mean,
00:38:15.320
for their past actions. And that means they can't invoke the Fifth Amendment, for example,
00:38:20.400
with respect to that conduct if they're called upon to testify in other criminal proceedings or
00:38:24.800
even before Congress. That would mean if Joe Biden were to preemptively pardon, for example,
00:38:29.520
Jack Smith and others on his team, he would also be subjecting them to lengthy congressional
00:38:35.560
hearings, potentially, at which they could not say, I invoke the Fifth Amendment. They may have
00:38:39.820
other privileges, including the attorney-client privilege that applies to their work for the
00:38:43.900
Justice Department, but it could expose other people to having to talk ad nauseum about what
00:38:49.580
they have done and, of course, subject themselves to future charges for perjury if they're found not
00:38:57.460
Natalie, talk ad nauseum about what they've done. I mean, come on, baby. Isn't this what we want? I
00:39:04.400
mean, I think we went either way because this is a search for truth and a search for justice.
00:39:11.260
Retribution is going to be President Trump having four amazing years and get, you know,
00:39:15.880
we get to close to the sunlit uplands. But we can never again allow to happen what happened over the
00:39:22.760
last four years. So if they give the pardons, they strip away their Fifth Amendment rights.
00:39:28.340
And then at both congressional hearings and other inquests, they can't hide behind the Fifth Amendment.
00:39:34.360
Correct. So what's it's a we got a win win going here. Yeah. I mean, also, too, I love her admission
00:39:40.340
where they're saying that in the media they're going to have to quote wordsmith President Biden's
00:39:45.060
pardons. I mean, what kind of collaboration is going on there? I think that's an interesting
00:39:49.500
admission that I probably look forward to Lisa Rubin testifying about in some capacity.
00:39:55.280
But I think the sort of buried lead, if not the tacit admission and everything she says,
00:40:00.640
I mean, she's the one that uses the word and I quote expose. They're worried about testifying.
00:40:06.000
What do you have to hide? I mean, that was what they bashed us over the head with with all things
00:40:09.920
President Donald J. Trump. And like you said, the best revenge is and always has been,
00:40:14.080
you know, making America great again. It's not retribution. It's actual accountability
00:40:18.160
and justice. So if they want to issue these preemptive pardons, then sure, go ahead. I guess
00:40:23.940
we'll have to just use, you know, other levers and mechanisms of justice to get them. But I think
00:40:28.740
the audience shouldn't underestimate the extent to which they are really planning and plotting on
00:40:34.540
actually doing this. Right now, you're sort of seeing them lay the media and narrative groundwork
00:40:40.100
to bring up normize. And again, it was just yesterday in Newsweek that he had a long
00:40:43.620
op-ed, pardons may be key to protecting people from political persecution. And in the same vein,
00:40:50.560
Steve, the Jonathan Martin Politico piece that sort of broke this whole story, they were saying
00:40:55.560
that they wanted to pardon people who, quote, may be in President Trump's crosshairs. So they're
00:41:01.160
playing a very, very funny and cunning analytical game where they're trying to, I always say victim
00:41:07.980
blame the American people. No, no, no. It's not the American people or Donald Trump who has a vendetta
00:41:13.440
for these people. These people brought it on themselves. And I think the best evidence that
00:41:17.880
you need for all of this is just the fact that Hunter Biden's pardon extends back so far
00:41:22.340
to 2014, to what was going on in Ukraine with all things Burisma. Because the most important part,
00:41:28.700
and Steve, frankly, I think the messaging opportunity that House Republicans and James Comer really
00:41:35.120
failed to hit and hammer home is that Hunter Biden was not an isolated incident. There were lasting,
00:41:41.900
enduring ramifications that we have seen to the present day that affect Joe Biden's approach to
00:41:46.720
Ukraine and that region more broadly. And I don't think that they ever really did an effective job
00:41:52.160
of getting that message across. But Joe Biden did just that by placing that pardon all the way back
00:41:57.760
to the year 2014. Natalie, hang around for a second. We're a little jammed for time, but I want to
00:42:03.560
work some out. Mike Benz gave a great account of himself the other day on Joe Rogan. He's got a clip in
00:42:09.440
there. I want to play and get your response. Also, I want to talk about color revolutions for a second.
00:42:14.580
The heat on cash that was white hot, Natalie, really has dissipated a lot, right, over the last
00:42:21.620
24, 48 hours. And I think because the Republicans in the Senate understand that there was some very
00:42:29.940
bad stuff that went on, not just the FBI, but in other places, and it has to be investigated. I think
00:42:34.660
the sea change we've seen here on Cash Patel is one of the most important sea changes I have seen in
00:42:40.380
Washington, D.C. I think as people have come to the conclusion that you're going to need somebody very
00:42:45.460
focused, very tough, that knows this and doesn't have to get, it doesn't need a learning curve. We're
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When Trump won in 2016, at the same time that all these right-wing populist parties who were just
00:45:08.260
like Trump also won between 2016 and 2018, primarily using free speech on social media and their popularity
00:45:15.420
there, they argued that right-wing populism was the same authoritarian threat that left-wing socialism
00:45:23.420
and left-wing communism was. They said, well, populism is the people's ground-up revolt against
00:45:30.320
institutions, against government, science, media, against the NGOs, the experts, the academics.
00:45:41.720
So, what they did is they argued that democracy has to be defended from demagoguery. Democracy
00:45:49.220
needs guardrails. We need bumper cars on democracy that go beyond what people vote for, because people
00:45:56.960
voted for Hitler. People voted for Trump. And they were doing this at U.S. government conferences,
00:46:01.500
by the way, in 2017. I can show you some funny ones if you're interested. But they were arguing that
00:46:08.000
we need these institutional guardrails against people voting for the wrong person. And those
00:46:16.180
institutional guardrails are so-called democratic institutions, which is another cute rhetorical trick,
00:46:21.580
because that's the CIA State Department watchword for asset. When USAID, for example, goes in and funds
00:46:30.120
university centers, media outlets, parliamentarian groups, activist groups, legal scholars, you name it
00:46:43.040
in a region. They are building up their assets to exert soft power influence on that society,
00:46:50.100
on that government, in order to influence the passage of laws, the span of operations that
00:46:56.920
they're doing that touch the U.S. embassy in the region. And so, what they argued is, actually,
00:47:01.640
democracy is not about the will of individuals. It's about the consensus of institutions. So, if there's
00:47:08.200
institutional consensus building between the military, the diplomatic sphere, the intelligence
00:47:15.380
community, the NGOs, the media outlets, the universities, that's really democracy. Those
00:47:22.580
are the institutional guardrails, the people who know best. That's a difficult process, by the way.
00:47:28.300
That's a process that takes months, years. That's why there are these major consensus-building
00:47:33.880
institutions, like the Atlantic Council, and the Council on Foreign Relations, and Wilson Center,
00:47:38.340
and the Carnegie Endowment. We have a whole suite of consensus-building institutions to bring
00:47:44.180
together the banks, the corporations, the government officials, the outside interests, so they all
00:47:49.760
get on the same page about a certain policy, or initiative, or regional drive, or industrial change.
00:47:56.720
If, at the end of that process, a bunch of people vote for a politician because he does funny TikTok
00:48:04.280
videos, or he's got a popular dance, and throws a monkey wrench in those years of consensus-building,
00:48:11.040
that they began to view as an attack on democracy. And so, they said democracy is really about
00:48:17.060
institutions. And you can actually look up, for example, Reid Hoffman. In 2019, they were doing all of
00:48:24.600
these conferences, where they said elections are a threat to democracy. Elections corrupt democracy,
00:48:31.320
because we can't think of democracy as elections anymore. For example, Ukraine has banned elections.
00:48:37.580
We don't, we still call, we still say we are providing $300 billion of military support to promote
00:48:43.040
democracy in Ukraine, even though they don't have elections. What's because of the, it's controlled
00:48:47.880
by US institutions. One of the smartest guys out there, Mike Benz. And man, I hope, I hope, I hope
00:48:56.460
that Mike Benz goes in and helps President Trump to so much that Mike Benz can add. I mean, one of the
00:49:02.280
heavyweight public intellectuals out there. What I'm going to do is I've got, I'm going to hold
00:49:07.820
Natalie over. Jack Posobiec is going to join me the next hour. There's a lot going on in Ukraine,
00:49:13.800
but in Syria, I think you may have Turkey involved. Syria has turned into a very serious
00:49:20.020
situation, not just for Israel, but for the entire region. And what we're going to have,
00:49:25.200
break it all down, what's happening in Syria. And also this, you know, their favorite playpen,
00:49:29.900
their favorite play box is a sandbox is Ukraine. We'd like to break down about that. That's Mike
00:49:35.800
Benz on Joe Rogan the other day. And that was a masterclass. We just cut three and a half minutes,
00:49:40.940
but you can listen to the whole thing. And if you haven't, you ought to go over it and listen to
00:49:44.140
Rogan. Natalie's going to stick with us for the six o'clock hour. I want to make sure, by the way,
00:49:48.680
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Mike Lindell joins us. Mike, tell us, sell us some Pellicer on a Friday afternoon.
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You've got to be sleeping well. Remember, you're waking up from that bed and you're back sore. You
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These are, we got very limited supplies of those two items. And then you have the things that made
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Let's hit it. Let's make, let's light those phones up. Mike Lindell, thank you very much.
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We'll see you tomorrow morning on Saturday, our favorite show of the week. Mike Lindell will
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join us. We're going to take a short commercial break. We're going to leave you with Billy Strings
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