Bannon's War Room - Episode 4109： Watch Out For The Blanket Pardons

00:00:00.000 growing pile of allegations against him, from allegations of sexual misconduct and alcohol

00:00:05.780 abuse, as well as alleged financial mismanagement, to say nothing of Hegsess extremist views about

00:00:12.780 things like the medieval crusades and what the New York Times describes as Hegsess, quote,

00:00:18.420 praise for the brutal religious military campaigns of the past, which according to the Times,

00:00:23.620 Hegsess sees as, quote, a model for today. So it was notable when after days of

00:00:29.780 remaining conspicuously silent on the fate of Hegsess nomination, today Donald Trump weighed in

00:00:36.720 on how, quote, Pete Hegsess is doing very well and how, quote, Pete is a winner in all caps. But what

00:00:43.620 Donald Trump is doing outside of posting on social media is a very different story. Washington Post

00:00:51.280 reports this, quote, Hegsess has been told not to expect Donald Trump to apply pressure to Republican

00:00:57.620 senators to get him over the finish line for confirmation next month. That is according to

00:01:03.340 two people familiar with the discussions who spoke anonymously, meaning Donald Trump appears to be

00:01:09.880 unwilling to spend any of his own political capital to save Hegsess, preferring what looks like a

00:01:16.140 Hunger Games, may the odds be ever in your favor approach, a sink or swim gambit that could prove

00:01:22.140 politically risky, given that after four straight days of a wannabe charm offensive on Capitol Hill, 0.99

00:01:28.520 Hegsess still doesn't have the votes to be confirmed. The Hill crunched those numbers. Hegsess can only

00:01:34.320 afford three Republican defections. But, quote, a Senate Republican aide told the Hill that as many as eight

00:01:41.200 Republican senators are prepared to vote against Hegsess, most of them not willing to call publicly for Hegsess to

00:01:47.840 resign because they don't want to be criticized by Trump's MAGA allies. One Republican senator put

00:01:54.120 it a little more bluntly, telling the Hill this, quote, I think most people do not expect Hegsess to

00:02:00.080 make it. There's seven or eight Republican votes against him. It's a matter of time. Hegsess nomination

00:02:06.120 is on death watch, end quote. And the hurdles Hegsess still has to clear are formidable. Arguably one of the

00:02:14.280 most influential Senate Republicans in terms of Hegsess nomination. Senator Joni Ernst, who yesterday

00:02:20.860 told Fox that she is not yet a yes, has no plans to meet with Hegsess again today. Next week, Hegsess is

00:02:28.360 expected to sit down with Republican Senator Susan Collins, who has stated that the charges of

00:02:35.040 impropriety against Hegsess are exactly why cabinet picks ought to be subjected to FBI background checks.

00:02:41.620 In other words, anything could happen. Buckle up.

00:02:48.200 This is the primal scream of a dying regime.

00:02:53.100 Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people.

00:02:58.340 I got a free shot. All these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly full of it.

00:03:04.540 I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that,

00:03:07.720 but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen. And where do people like that go to share

00:03:11.940 the big line? MAGA media. I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.

00:03:20.140 Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country,

00:03:27.100 this country will be saved.

00:03:30.100 It's Friday, 6th December, year of our Lord, 2024. You're in the War Room. Thank you for tuning in to our

00:03:46.800 late afternoon, early evening show. We're going to get into it, Pete Hegseth. What does Nicole Wallace say?

00:03:53.820 Buckle up and get ready. Well, look, we know the tide is turning. The inside baseball is the tide is

00:04:00.100 turning for Pete Hegseth. People know that. One of the reasons is Pete's a very charismatic

00:04:05.420 individual. President Trump has seen the, you know, President Trump's not going to work the

00:04:10.960 phones. He doesn't have to work the phones. Pete Hegseth has a responsibility to go up there and make

00:04:15.800 his case to these folks in the Senate. He's making his case. He's charismatic. He's got good ideas.

00:04:21.700 People are supporting him. And I think this is going to come down. I think when Joni Ernst says,

00:04:28.500 hey, I support Pete Hegseth and Pete Hegseth is going to find, we're going to get this thing done.

00:04:33.860 And I think the key thing for right now for Senator Ernst is we got to find an off ramp for her,

00:04:38.320 right? She's a little bit out there on the limb. She didn't want to be primaried in, you know,

00:04:44.380 in this, she's in cycle. You know, you don't want to, you don't want to have MAGA all over you in Iowa. 0.99

00:04:50.100 No need to do that. Very unnecessary, particularly for a guy like Pete Hegseth,

00:04:55.500 who can be a, and will be a great secretary of defense, especially in the time we're in the

00:05:01.360 early years of the kinetic part of the third world war. I'm going to bring in somebody who

00:05:07.040 knows him very well from the article three project, Mike Davis. We got Mark Lucas. He's

00:05:12.920 one of Mike's partners over there. Mark, you've got a long history with Pete. Can you walk us through

00:05:18.580 it, sir? Yes. Thank you, Steve. I've known Pete Hegseth for over 10 years and we served together

00:05:25.280 in the 34th infantry division. He was in the Minnesota national guard. I was in the Iowa national

00:05:31.020 guard is the famous red bull division. Our motto is attack, attack, attack. And I've also served with

00:05:38.560 Pete, uh, with concerned veterans for America. Pete was my predecessor and I was able to see what Pete

00:05:44.720 was, uh, able to accomplish with CVA. I inherited his executive team, his strategy and Pete Hegseth,

00:05:52.540 along with president Donald Trump and myself, were able to usher in some of the most historic

00:05:57.560 victories in the history of the VA. We were able to pass the VA accountability and whistleblower

00:06:03.360 protection act and also the mission act. And Pete understood the VA inside and out. He's got

00:06:10.180 incredible pedigree. He went to Harvard. He went to Princeton and Steve, you're absolutely right.

00:06:16.200 Pete is so charismatic. He connects with people all across the country. I brought him to my home

00:06:22.220 state of Iowa. Uh, we live broadcasted my Iowa caucus and in Iowa city. And you should have seen

00:06:28.180 the love that people had for Pete. Normal caucus goers absolutely love him. He can communicate to the

00:06:34.140 grassroots, but he can also hold his own in serious in-depth policy conversations. And that's the one

00:06:41.920 thing that Pete was so helpful for me too, was that when it came to reforming the bureaucracy of the VA,

00:06:48.200 when it looked, when we're looking forward towards the DOD and understanding the threats inside the

00:06:53.080 building, but also the threats OCONUS, uh, Pete understands all of that. So I think that Pete

00:06:58.120 Hegseth, uh, is going to be one of the stars in the cabinet for president Trump. And I believe that,

00:07:04.520 uh, he will sail through with the confirmation. Okay. I want to go back by the way, you know,

00:07:10.500 when you get, when you're accepted as an undergraduate at Princeton, I would argue even more than Harvard

00:07:17.400 and Yale, my beloved Harvard and Yale that it is. And I was in the graduate school there, the trade 0.99

00:07:22.980 schools I'm talking about at the college level, Princeton, I think is at Stanford level is

00:07:28.080 the hardest to get into. I mean, it's the most selective. So if you're, you're at Princeton,

00:07:32.200 you're, you're, you're bringing some heat intellectually, but I want to go back to the

00:07:37.140 34th infantry division. Yesterday, we had a tweet that, that Pete put up in Denver, if you'd be so

00:07:42.460 kind, uh, had the battlefield cross on it. Uh, and Pete had tweeted it out about his experiences.

00:07:48.360 Talk to me about the formative, the formative years of Pete Hegseth and yourself as, uh, as combat

00:07:56.060 vets. Walk me through that. What, what were the lessons he learned and why is that important?

00:08:00.900 We keep pushing the fact that we've had enough older guys. We've had enough, you know, what we

00:08:05.520 need now. Clearly there's an issue with field grade officers. Some of these generals and admirals

00:08:11.380 are being woke. What were the lessons you guys took from the battlefield and why are they

00:08:16.000 important for application in the Pentagon today, sir?

00:08:19.260 Well, Pete is a warfighter first. He's a true pipe hitter. We were both infantry platoon leaders.

00:08:27.000 Uh, he served in Iraq and Afghanistan. Uh, I was an infantry platoon leader along the

00:08:31.920 Afghan Pakistani border in 2010 and 2011. It was the deadliest period of the war. We had more KAs at 1.00

00:08:39.060 that point than at any other point in the war. So Pete understands what it means to take fire.

00:08:44.640 Washington DC is not going to scare him. He was a door kicker. He saw real combat. And that's part

00:08:52.960 of the reason why these guys in the Pentagon are nervous. He never became a colonel or a general

00:08:58.500 officer. He never worked within the military industrial complex. He comes from a junior officer

00:09:04.660 mentality, which means he cares about his soldiers. You know, I introduced him to some young enlisted

00:09:10.880 soldiers here in Iowa and he could cut it up with them. Like he was one of the guys and yet he could

00:09:16.460 go to the Pentagon. And I'll tell you what, Steve, I don't care what rank these guys are. I don't care

00:09:21.220 how long they spend in Washington. They will not be able to keep up with Pete Hegseth. So with his

00:09:27.260 formidable years experiencing IDs and calling in close air support, he understands what it takes to win

00:09:35.300 and he is not going to give up. He's in a fight. And I was so happy to see him this week,

00:09:40.420 start talking with the media, engaging them because the best defender of Pete Hegseth and the best

00:09:46.920 defender of the new direction that we need to go at the Pentagon is Pete Hegseth.

00:09:52.140 Let me talk about that direction for a second. Besides the budgets and material,

00:09:57.320 I mean, you guys are over there. We're fighting these two wars. They take 20 years combined.

00:10:03.580 If you leave the contractors out, the contractors are all just former enlisted and junior officers,

00:10:08.580 but you've got almost 10,000, I think, KIAs. You've got another 50,000, you know, wounded

00:10:15.340 casualties. I've heard, I think the number is another 15,000 contractors who are all former military

00:10:21.040 guys. And you look back in those years, do you think what you guys went through would inform his

00:10:28.880 decisions of when we actually commit combat troops to a situation, sir?

00:10:35.340 Absolutely. You know, I joined the military after 9-11. I remember that morning very vividly.

00:10:42.260 It left a lasting impression on my life. And I wanted to go over there and get some,

00:10:47.320 to be quite honest. I wanted to take the fight to these radicals who are willing to kill Americans, 0.88

00:10:52.680 innocent Americans. And that's why Pete and I joined. But I didn't get to Afghanistan until 2010, 0.79

00:10:59.020 nine years after the initial attack. And what I learned when my boots hit the ground was we had no

00:11:05.900 strategy to win. My men and I, we did not lose a single fight. I told my men that we were going to

00:11:12.560 be the dominant predator. We were going to be the most ruthless people the enemy's ever seen,

00:11:17.840 but we were also going to be the most compassionate to the local populace. And so we were surging forces

00:11:22.920 under General Petraeus nine years after the initial invasion. Year after year, their new strategy after

00:11:28.900 new strategy. And I was young. I was in my 20s. But I quickly realized that this wasn't about winning.

00:11:36.420 There was no plan to win. It was all about having a recurring revenue stream for the big military

00:11:44.060 industrial complex. That's what it was all about. So Pete understands that. And because we had to

00:11:50.320 endure this combat, because we know what the true cost of combat entails, we will ensure that when

00:11:57.020 we dedicate forces overseas, that is the right thing to do. Because we learned from Iraq and from

00:12:02.480 Afghanistan, we were duped once. We're not going to be duped again. This is so important. I think this

00:12:09.040 is what the thing itself is. I want to go back over this. Because you're a pizza conservative,

00:12:16.680 you're a Republican, you're a patriot. I'm going to volunteer, I'm going to sign up, I'm going to go.

00:12:21.240 And you get there in 2010, you wake up, call. In 17, President Trump tasked me originally to be,

00:12:28.480 let's get everything on the table about how do we wind down Afghanistan. This is seven years later.

00:12:34.080 Seven years later. In the Pentagon, in the apparatus, the intelligence, they just want to

00:12:40.400 tap you along. They want to completely tap you along. We didn't get out until Biden's watch and

00:12:45.040 then a fiasco in 20 years. This is why Pete Hegseth, in the angle of attack that Pete Hegseth has,

00:12:53.880 and how his formation as a combat leader will be so important when you're sitting there and having to

00:13:01.420 make those decisions, not in the Pentagon. I'm talking about over the National Security Council

00:13:05.680 and the Kennedy Conference Room. Your thoughts, Mark? No, you're absolutely right. I also volunteered

00:13:13.880 to go to South Korea at the height of the crisis with Kim Jong-un. And what I saw during that experience

00:13:21.140 was how much of a disruptor President Donald Trump was in foreign policy. And Pete Hegseth shares that

00:13:27.680 mentality. I thought we were destined for war. I remember going over there. I worked in a bunker

00:13:32.820 every day. I was looking at high-resolution imagery of North Korean soldiers. It was getting very

00:13:38.720 serious. But Donald Trump completely challenged the status quo. And he said, well, why don't I talk to

00:13:45.220 Kim Jong-un? I think it's good to talk to people with nuclear weapons. And I saw President Trump's 0.56

00:13:50.860 leadership completely change the dynamics on the peninsula. And the American people don't understand

00:13:57.580 it would have been one of the most mass casualty events in the history of the world. I don't think

00:14:03.500 people would be prepared for that. Pete Hegseth shares that same mentality. He's not going to go

00:14:09.720 along with all these policy think tank policy wonks who say, oh, we have to do this or we have to do that

00:14:16.180 because we've been doing it for generation after generation. He's going to challenge things. He's

00:14:20.660 going to be fully aligned with President Trump. And that's going to be refreshing.

00:14:24.620 Mark, hang on for one second. We'll hold you through the break. Natalie Winters is going to

00:14:27.680 join us. She's going to be riding shotgun. We've got a lot to talk about. Some of our favorite folks

00:14:33.500 over at the White House trying to get themselves some blanket preemptive pardons, whatever in the

00:14:38.940 hell that is. Some of the folks in back of these color revolutions. Short commercial break.

00:14:43.860 We're in return. We've got Mark Lewis from Article 3 talking about his buddy, Pete Hegseth. Short break.

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00:16:20.660 Here's your host, Stephen K. Mann.

00:16:23.300 Welcome back. Mark Lucas from Article 3 joins us. This morning, if you caught the morning show,

00:16:33.840 we started this morning with a clip from Stanley Kubrick's masterpiece, 1957, Paths of Glory.

00:16:44.060 And the famous scene where Kirk Douglas is about to lead his troops. It's a French army about to lead

00:16:49.100 their troops over the top into no man's land. As we told you, it was fixed bayonets on defense of Pete Hegseth

00:16:57.920 and Kash Patel and Tulsi Gabbard and Bobby Kennedy. Because if you don't, if we don't have the backs of

00:17:06.260 these folks, they're going to pick them off one at a time, Linsky-like. And Pete was looking a little grim

00:17:12.540 yesterday. And I think President Trump was seeing what Pete could do, the resilience of Pete. What

00:17:17.860 President Trump likes is resilience. The ability to take a punch and to respond to a punch. Pick

00:17:24.600 yourself up off the mat and punch back. And you're seeing that from Pete Hegseth. And I think we've

00:17:28.640 turned this thing around. One of the reasons we've done that or how we've done it is, Mark, tell us

00:17:33.440 about the Article 3 Action Center. What do you guys have over there? Because we're looking for as many

00:17:39.280 touch points as possible. We got Bill Blaster. You guys had the Action Center. We want people

00:17:44.200 engaged as possible. The War Room Posse throws a big punch. People know that. Got a lot of media

00:17:49.780 attention today on our open. And quite frankly, this block of shows that Real America's Voice in the

00:17:54.900 morning, the two hours of War Room, two hours of Charlie Kirk, one hour of Jack Posobiec, kind of five

00:17:58.940 hours with a break and then back to another two hours of the War Room that has Pete's back and making

00:18:04.900 a priority because, you know, Jack and I are former military, knowing how important this Secretary of

00:18:14.080 Defense is. So tell me about the Action Center. What can people do now to help Pete out in the

00:18:18.640 audience? Yes, Steve. If you remember, Kash Patel was supposed to be dead on arrival, but you quickly

00:18:25.760 went to his defense. So did Mike Davis. The Article 3 project launched our Action Alert to encourage

00:18:32.440 the U.S. Senate to confirm Kash Patel. And we had over 20,000 messages lobbed in to U.S. senators all

00:18:40.460 across the country. And because of you doing your shaping operation, Steve, on War Room, because of the

00:18:46.960 grassroots efforts from Bill Blaster and also from the A3P Action Center, Kash went from being DOA to he's

00:18:54.460 going to need a speedy confirmation. And even Joni Ernst, my home state senator, who's experienced some

00:18:59.880 speed bumps with Pete Hegseth, she came out strongly in support of Kash Patel. And with Pete Hegseth, we

00:19:06.340 just launched our Action Alert yesterday. Just a little less than 24 hours ago, we've been able to

00:19:12.860 recruit close to 3,000 activists who have taken close to 6,000 actions. So if you go to A3Paction.com

00:19:20.700 or the article number three project.org, you can click on our Action Center and you can contact both

00:19:26.320 your U.S. senators. You can email them. You can tweet at them. You can even call them. You can

00:19:31.560 conduct all those actions in less than two minutes. So go to A3Paction.com. And I think Joni Ernst is

00:19:38.160 going to become a yes on Pete Hegseth. We've got to let her know that the grassroots support Pete

00:19:43.560 Hegseth. They support President Trump. And I believe she'll come along just like she did with Kash Patel.

00:19:48.340 And look, I agree with like women in combat. I mean, Mo went to West Point, served in Iraq. I 0.96

00:19:55.600 disagree with Pete on some stuff. A lot of, you know, you're not going to agree on everything.

00:19:59.360 You know, Pete's an open, open minded guy. And Senator Ernst is a combat vet. You know,

00:20:04.980 she's a colonel, a tenant colonel. I want to go back because another hit on Pete is that he's on the

00:20:11.040 curvy couch on weekends and he's never run anything more than an organization with five people.

00:20:15.640 So in the Pentagon is the most complex industrial entity institution in the world. So you know,

00:20:23.860 this guy for a long time and you particularly know him in a professional. How is he going to scale up?

00:20:31.160 I mean, what's the leadership style here that people are going to feel comfortable

00:20:33.820 that Pete Hegseth can come from a Saturday morning, you know, talk show hosts where they're cooking

00:20:38.880 pancakes and having run a small veterans organization to actually enforce his will

00:20:44.860 into what they call the building, sir. Yeah. So there's this misnomer that concerned

00:20:51.820 veterans for America was just a complete train wreck when Pete Hegseth left. Well,

00:20:56.640 I became the CVA executive director after Pete left and I retained his top staff. He had three people

00:21:04.460 in particular that are just incredible. Some of the brightest policy minds. And also he had a

00:21:09.800 grassroots army. And so before I joined CVA, I worked for a group called Americans for Prosperity.

00:21:15.240 And we were very well known in state capitals for being effective in passing tax cuts, reducing

00:21:21.640 spending and regulation. But we really struggled in D.C. and we had conversations. Do we just kind of

00:21:29.240 take a step back and focus on state capitals? Well, when I went to CVA, it was completely a different

00:21:35.660 story. Pete had CVA's grassroots army ready to deploy once President Trump got elected. He had a

00:21:43.360 shaping operation that was unbelievable on Capitol Hill with the VA House Committee and the Senate

00:21:49.040 Committee. And so when I came in the CVA, I saw an incredible leadership team. I had an incredible plan

00:21:55.340 that I took from Pete Hegseth. And we were able to pass two of the largest reforms in the history of the

00:22:01.760 CVA because of Pete Hegseth. And those grassroots volunteers all across the country, it's not easy

00:22:07.980 to wrangle those guys. And so Pete has the leadership experience, but he also has the vision.

00:22:13.500 So I was able to brief President Trump on CVA's plan, which was Pete Hegseth's plan. And I was able

00:22:19.980 to tell President Trump that the CVA plan will help him achieve all of his objectives, the 10 objectives

00:22:26.180 he had on the campaign trail when he campaigned for President on helping our vets. And we were able

00:22:32.080 to implement that in two quick years. And I see that Pete Hegseth understands the vision, but he also

00:22:37.480 knows how to put together a team. And I know that because I inherited this team and it was world class.

00:22:44.680 Well, you know, over at MSNBC, which we break down every night with CNN, you know, brother Chris Hayes,

00:22:51.380 Lawrence O'Donnell, Joy Ann Reed, the whole crowd over there. I thought CVA was a complete

00:22:55.740 train wreck. I thought it was destroyed. I thought he ran everybody off. Either he made passes at the

00:23:00.620 women or got drunk in front of the guys and everybody was repulsed. So there was nothing.

00:23:04.800 Are you, you're, you're breaking some news here. You're actually saying that you relieved the watch

00:23:08.820 in a real organization and were actually able to take that organization, go brief President Trump.

00:23:15.460 And that was one of the foundational elements of the big VA changes President Trump made in his first

00:23:20.220 term. Absolutely. And I remember when I briefed President Trump on the VA plan,

00:23:25.740 it was the VA accountability and whistleblower protection act. And I was really pushing the

00:23:30.500 president and his staff in the room that they need to put that bill on Mitch McConnell's desk

00:23:35.100 in the first hundred days. And I was able to also leverage Pete Hegseth because I told President

00:23:40.480 Trump that he was my predecessor and President Trump's eyes lit up. He said, you know, Pete,

00:23:45.660 I love Pete. I want to hire him. But he said that my staff is telling me he's better for me on Fox,

00:23:50.300 which was kind of true because Pete was able to come down from time to time,

00:23:54.720 part time on his own time to help us with some serious policy conversations along with other

00:24:00.780 veteran service organizations. And so Pete Hegseth is really responsible along with President Trump

00:24:06.700 for some of those big reforms that delivered those key victories, Steve, that you remember early on in

00:24:12.100 his first term when, you know, Paul Ryan and those guys in Congress are trying to figure out

00:24:16.460 who's President Trump and we couldn't get tax reform done quicker enough because Congress is 0.75

00:24:21.200 in the way. Pete Hegseth and his vision for the VA was the biggest and earliest policy victory for

00:24:27.120 President Trump in 2017.

00:24:29.480 No, this is the 2017, that and the tax cut because Paul Ryan and the guys did a face plant on the

00:24:35.600 Obamacare. Mark, where can people get you? I think you're going to be doing a lot of media here

00:24:40.600 because here's the thing that's shocking. I'm going to get Natalie here in a second.

00:24:43.160 But if you watch the mainstream media, literally they say Pete Hegseth destroyed both veterans

00:24:50.360 groups. And here we got Mark Lucas, who said, no, he didn't destroy it. Turn it over. Great.

00:24:56.020 I was able to go to President Trump. And this was one of the big, this is one of the foundational

00:24:59.340 elements for President Trump's wins in 2017. It just shows you the complete lies and how they

00:25:06.460 spin things. So I want to make sure this word gets out that Hegseth is the real deal.

00:25:10.700 And Steve, also, I'm putting my name and my face on all of this. I'm not doing anonymous

00:25:18.180 sources. I volunteered this morning to testify in front of the Senate Armed Service Committee

00:25:23.980 to be a character witness for Pete's nomination. My good friend, Mike Davis, who I've known since

00:25:28.440 college, who's the expert on confirmations. Article 3 Project is all in on Pete Hegseth.

00:25:35.620 And you can go to article3project.org. I'm not quite as hot on Twitter or X or Getter as my

00:25:41.640 friend Mike Davis. I'm not nearly as angry or as Irish, but you can follow me at LucasIowa

00:25:47.580 on all those channels.

00:25:49.760 Hang on a second, Lucas. When Davis first came on, he was a nice, calm guy like you. Now

00:25:55.220 he's the Viceroy. He's a whole thing. So we're going to watch the arc of you over at Article 3.

00:26:02.840 You guys do amazing work. And I think this center that's Mike is known as the pro's pro for these

00:26:08.680 confirmations. So it's so it's so, I think, powerful and necessary for President Trump to

00:26:13.640 have outside groups like yourselves that really know the ins and outs of this. So really thank

00:26:17.620 you. Do you have once again, do you have personal Twitter? Can we get that up? What is it?

00:26:21.980 Yes, it's at LucasIowa. And be sure to also go to the Article 3 Project's website to take action

00:26:28.740 to let Joni Ernst and every U.S. Senator know that we need to support Pete Hegseth. So thank you so

00:26:33.820 much, Steve, for having me on. Thank you, brother. Appreciate you.

00:26:41.000 I tell you what, I'm going to do whatever I'm going to hold Natalie. I want to play her call

00:26:44.260 open and I'll bring her in there. We're going to bring in Natalie Winters who's going to join us 1.00

00:26:47.280 for the next block. We've got a lot to talk about. Some of the folks that Natalie focuses on,

00:26:52.280 on color revolution and some of her investigative reporting, you know where they're spending their

00:26:56.000 time, they're spending their time over the White House, burning the midnight oil because

00:27:02.400 Kash Patel, Natalie Winters, Mike Benz, Darren Beattie have been picking on them, have been

00:27:09.920 picking on Fauci and, you know, picking on these people, throw in Julie Kelly, been picking on 0.99

00:27:15.560 these people, Jack Smith. They're over there looking for, they're working on a new concept,

00:27:19.840 a new contract. Take your number two pencil out. We have some nomenclature. A blanket,

00:27:24.680 preemptive pardon. A blanket, preemptive pardon. For any known or unknown crime now or anywhere at

00:27:33.400 any time in eternity or back to the beginning of time or even beforehand in any part of the

00:27:38.860 universe. How about that? Natalie Winters is going to join us. Have a short commercial break. 1.00

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00:29:27.360 Action, action, action.

00:29:28.980 I handled tax and weapons cases over my many years as a defense lawyer. Nobody else,

00:29:37.820 not named Biden, would have been prosecuted for these tax peccadilloes. Certainly,

00:29:45.080 the no-jail plea, which was agreed with the government, would have been proper. Hunter Biden

00:29:51.960 is at risk of being persecuted by a coming Trump administration. The former president and incoming

00:30:00.040 future president has said he would target the Bidens. So the larger logic of justice says a

00:30:08.720 partner is proper. Whereas when you look at other worthy people who are targets of likely persecution,

00:30:16.340 like Mr. Cohen, they'd serve their sentences. So I think this was a start, but I hope the White 1.00

00:30:25.820 House will proceed, President Biden will proceed to, in the name of justice, pardon others as well.

00:30:34.220 Dr. Bonham's case in England, and it's still true today. And there's another limitation

00:30:40.580 on the president's pardon power. Nobody thinks the president could take bribes to issue pardons.

00:30:47.460 So if the president were to act corruptly, for example, if he were to pardon Michael Flynn or Paul

00:30:55.020 Manafort or Donald Trump Jr. in order that the president himself avoided being implicated by those

00:31:02.840 individuals, if they testified at their trials, that would be a corrupt pardon.

00:31:07.660 Depends on the breadth of the wording, and that's why folks like me will sit and wordsmith some of

00:31:13.620 these things if President Biden decides to do them, because they want to insulate these preemptive

00:31:19.120 pardons from challenge. But, Jose, a preemptive pardon is not without its own dangers. Remember, if you

00:31:24.960 pardon someone, you're removing their criminal exposure in the past, I mean, for their past

00:31:30.240 actions. And that means they can't invoke the Fifth Amendment, for example, with respect to that

00:31:35.000 conduct if they're called upon to testify in other criminal proceedings or even before Congress.

00:31:40.000 That would mean if Joe Biden were to preemptively pardon, for example, Jack Smith and others on his

00:31:44.780 team, he would also be subjecting them to lengthy congressional hearings, potentially, at which they

00:31:50.900 could not say, I invoke the Fifth Amendment. They may have other privileges, including the attorney-client

00:31:55.560 privilege that applies to their work for the Justice Department. But it could expose other people

00:32:00.580 to having to talk ad nauseum about what they have done and, of course, subject themselves to future

00:32:06.500 charges for perjury if they're found not to be telling the truth.

00:32:10.360 Whoa. Natalie Winters. Oh, my God. Thank you, guys. Great cuts. Let's take the first one.

00:32:17.180 One of your nemesis, Norm Eisen. Explain to the audience who he is and why is he becoming such a big

00:32:23.420 deal? He wrote a huge op-ed in Newsweek magazine. He's becoming a major player in these. I want people to get

00:32:30.440 the number two pencils out. Blanket preemptive pardons. This is what the Biden regime is spending

00:32:37.640 their time on in the closing days of the regime. Norm Eisen, who is he? Why is he important? And why

00:32:45.920 has he become such a player in this process, ma'am? Well, Norm Eisen is a complete and utter hack,

00:32:52.640 and I think you see it on full display right there. But I think you have to contextualize

00:32:57.600 this moment, particularly of the sort of democracy protectorate class, which Norm Eisen is one of the

00:33:03.660 leading voices of. You know, the same people who sit up there and say that, well, we can't have

00:33:08.160 Pete Hegseth because he tarnished the reputation of an organization that advocated for veterans.

00:33:13.800 I'm sorry. What has Norm Eisen or, frankly, any senator done in the past to actually help American

00:33:19.180 veterans? You know, absolutely nothing, right? It's selective outrage, and it's performative.

00:33:23.860 I wish these senators would audit the, what is it, trillion-dollar black hole that the Pentagon has

00:33:28.560 with the same level of intensity and scrutiny that they're going after Pete Hegseth's character.

00:33:33.920 But I think that you can sort of extrapolate out that critique and, just frankly, the double standard

00:33:39.340 BS performative activism coming from these people all the way to, like I said, the sort of democracy

00:33:46.460 sect of people, of which Norm Eisen has been one of the leading voices, the people who pushed for months,

00:33:52.400 for years, saying that, you know, Donald Trump is the largest existential threat to American

00:33:57.140 democracy. He's Hitler 2.0. If anything, he's probably worse. Remember, this is the same Norm 0.91

00:34:02.400 Eisen, who quite literally wrote the Color Revolution textbook playbook for the Brookings

00:34:08.580 Institution, talking about how in countries abroad like Hungary, particularly, it's interesting,

00:34:14.860 it's the countries that they always like to invoke in the mainstream media of the sort of think tank

00:34:19.500 Washington, D.C. groups, to draw parallels to President Trump here domestically, because they're

00:34:24.640 trying to bridge that gap so they can lay the pretext to roll out similar color revolution tactics 0.65

00:34:30.100 here at home. And why Norm Eisen is so important, right? He's the chosen lackey to hit the airwaves on CNN

00:34:36.820 to defend these blanket preemptive pardons. We're not even talking about just run-of-the-mill pardons.

00:34:41.800 We're talking about the fantastical creation of an entirely new form of pardon derived for what?

00:34:48.060 The most innocent people who I only ever hear them say, you know, how they've never committed

00:34:52.380 any crimes, yet they have to create an entirely new form. I mean, it is next-level gaslighting.

00:34:59.260 The carbon footprint of it would make the environmentalists mad. But the most wild part

00:35:03.640 of it, Steve, is that clip that I played after. And maybe people were able to tell that it was from

00:35:09.360 2017, because he didn't have the, like, Victorian lady white powder makeup on like he did for CNN.

00:35:16.420 But in that exact clip for a—I'm really making you laugh—for a clip for the Brookings Institution,

00:35:24.000 he literally says that Trump cannot pardon his son. And you know we love receipts here in the war room,

00:35:29.960 so I'll remind Norm, who loves Norm so much. He probably created his name to be named after it.

00:35:34.580 But he tweeted then in December 2017, and I quote, why Trump can't pardon himself at all,

00:35:40.460 or Jared, Don Jr., and others. He literally said that Trump could not pardon his family members,

00:35:45.860 and he went on an entire social media and think tank terror about why they couldn't do this.

00:35:50.720 But besides the obvious top-line hypocrisy, how easy it is to dunk on Norm for this double standard,

00:35:56.640 it's something much deeper, right? And this goes all the way back, like it always does,

00:36:01.940 to the Transition Integrity Project, which was, of course, that Soros, even Chinese Communist Party-funded

00:36:06.940 operation to steal the election from Donald Trump in 2020. And what was so interesting about this was

00:36:13.280 that they actually had an entire section in the memo where they were gamed out all the ways that

00:36:19.380 Donald Trump—and if Denver wants to put the picture up on screen, you can see it—how they thought

00:36:23.760 that President Trump was gonna go on a pardoning spree. They had a whole entire section called

00:36:27.980 Pardon Everyone. In almost every Transition Integrity Project scenario, Team Trump executed or prepared

00:36:33.700 for the pardon of relatives, campaign associates, and himself. In other words, you can't get a more

00:36:41.060 clear example of projection. And just to cap this all off, because again, like I said, you talk about

00:36:47.240 seizing the institutions right now. This is also about dominating the narrative against these people

00:36:53.240 who have bashed us over the head with the word democracy. They can't get through a sentence

00:36:58.700 without saying it 27 times. That these are the people who are now quite literally using the same

00:37:04.960 tactics and playbook that they have written Soros-funded white papers on about how countries

00:37:11.360 in Eastern Europe and countries that have taken up the populist mantle, the same tactics that they have

00:37:16.820 used that they call corrupt, so much so that Norm Eisen back in 2021, Steve, felt the need to write

00:37:22.980 an entire New York Times op-ed—we can toss the headline up on screen—the problem with Trump's

00:37:29.120 odious pardon of Steve Bannon. Wow, Norm, thank you. Hey, I want to play—Natalie, hang on for one second.

00:37:38.960 If Denver could play the lawyer at the second part, because I want to—I want you to—when she talks about,

00:37:44.880 hey, these pardons aren't free, because then you take about the Fifth Amendment,

00:37:49.040 listen to what she talks about of what will happen to these people. Let's go ahead and—can we play

00:37:53.180 that again? Depends on the breadth of the wording, and that's why folks like me will sit and wordsmith

00:37:59.420 some of these things if President Biden decides to do them, because they want to insulate these

00:38:04.900 preemptive pardons from challenge. But, Jose, a preemptive pardon is not without its own dangers.

00:38:09.680 Remember, if you pardon someone, you're removing their criminal exposure in the past—I mean,

00:38:15.320 for their past actions. And that means they can't invoke the Fifth Amendment, for example,

00:38:20.400 with respect to that conduct if they're called upon to testify in other criminal proceedings or

00:38:24.800 even before Congress. That would mean if Joe Biden were to preemptively pardon, for example,

00:38:29.520 Jack Smith and others on his team, he would also be subjecting them to lengthy congressional

00:38:35.560 hearings, potentially, at which they could not say, I invoke the Fifth Amendment. They may have

00:38:39.820 other privileges, including the attorney-client privilege that applies to their work for the

00:38:43.900 Justice Department, but it could expose other people to having to talk ad nauseum about what

00:38:49.580 they have done and, of course, subject themselves to future charges for perjury if they're found not

00:38:54.700 to be telling the truth.

00:38:57.460 Natalie, talk ad nauseum about what they've done. I mean, come on, baby. Isn't this what we want? I

00:39:04.400 mean, I think we went either way because this is a search for truth and a search for justice.

00:39:11.260 Retribution is going to be President Trump having four amazing years and get, you know,

00:39:15.880 we get to close to the sunlit uplands. But we can never again allow to happen what happened over the

00:39:22.760 last four years. So if they give the pardons, they strip away their Fifth Amendment rights.

00:39:28.340 And then at both congressional hearings and other inquests, they can't hide behind the Fifth Amendment.

00:39:34.360 Correct. So what's it's a we got a win win going here. Yeah. I mean, also, too, I love her admission

00:39:40.340 where they're saying that in the media they're going to have to quote wordsmith President Biden's

00:39:45.060 pardons. I mean, what kind of collaboration is going on there? I think that's an interesting

00:39:49.500 admission that I probably look forward to Lisa Rubin testifying about in some capacity.

00:39:55.280 But I think the sort of buried lead, if not the tacit admission and everything she says,

00:40:00.640 I mean, she's the one that uses the word and I quote expose. They're worried about testifying.

00:40:06.000 What do you have to hide? I mean, that was what they bashed us over the head with with all things

00:40:09.920 President Donald J. Trump. And like you said, the best revenge is and always has been,

00:40:14.080 you know, making America great again. It's not retribution. It's actual accountability

00:40:18.160 and justice. So if they want to issue these preemptive pardons, then sure, go ahead. I guess

00:40:23.940 we'll have to just use, you know, other levers and mechanisms of justice to get them. But I think

00:40:28.740 the audience shouldn't underestimate the extent to which they are really planning and plotting on

00:40:34.540 actually doing this. Right now, you're sort of seeing them lay the media and narrative groundwork

00:40:40.100 to bring up normize. And again, it was just yesterday in Newsweek that he had a long

00:40:43.620 op-ed, pardons may be key to protecting people from political persecution. And in the same vein,

00:40:50.560 Steve, the Jonathan Martin Politico piece that sort of broke this whole story, they were saying

00:40:55.560 that they wanted to pardon people who, quote, may be in President Trump's crosshairs. So they're

00:41:01.160 playing a very, very funny and cunning analytical game where they're trying to, I always say victim

00:41:07.980 blame the American people. No, no, no. It's not the American people or Donald Trump who has a vendetta

00:41:13.440 for these people. These people brought it on themselves. And I think the best evidence that

00:41:17.880 you need for all of this is just the fact that Hunter Biden's pardon extends back so far

00:41:22.340 to 2014, to what was going on in Ukraine with all things Burisma. Because the most important part,

00:41:28.700 and Steve, frankly, I think the messaging opportunity that House Republicans and James Comer really

00:41:35.120 failed to hit and hammer home is that Hunter Biden was not an isolated incident. There were lasting,

00:41:41.900 enduring ramifications that we have seen to the present day that affect Joe Biden's approach to

00:41:46.720 Ukraine and that region more broadly. And I don't think that they ever really did an effective job

00:41:52.160 of getting that message across. But Joe Biden did just that by placing that pardon all the way back

00:41:57.760 to the year 2014. Natalie, hang around for a second. We're a little jammed for time, but I want to

00:42:03.560 work some out. Mike Benz gave a great account of himself the other day on Joe Rogan. He's got a clip in

00:42:09.440 there. I want to play and get your response. Also, I want to talk about color revolutions for a second.

00:42:14.580 The heat on cash that was white hot, Natalie, really has dissipated a lot, right, over the last

00:42:21.620 24, 48 hours. And I think because the Republicans in the Senate understand that there was some very

00:42:29.940 bad stuff that went on, not just the FBI, but in other places, and it has to be investigated. I think

00:42:34.660 the sea change we've seen here on Cash Patel is one of the most important sea changes I have seen in

00:42:40.380 Washington, D.C. I think as people have come to the conclusion that you're going to need somebody very

00:42:45.460 focused, very tough, that knows this and doesn't have to get, it doesn't need a learning curve. We're

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00:45:00.680 When Trump won in 2016, at the same time that all these right-wing populist parties who were just

00:45:08.260 like Trump also won between 2016 and 2018, primarily using free speech on social media and their popularity

00:45:15.420 there, they argued that right-wing populism was the same authoritarian threat that left-wing socialism

00:45:23.420 and left-wing communism was. They said, well, populism is the people's ground-up revolt against

00:45:30.320 institutions, against government, science, media, against the NGOs, the experts, the academics.

00:45:41.720 So, what they did is they argued that democracy has to be defended from demagoguery. Democracy

00:45:49.220 needs guardrails. We need bumper cars on democracy that go beyond what people vote for, because people

00:45:56.960 voted for Hitler. People voted for Trump. And they were doing this at U.S. government conferences,

00:46:01.500 by the way, in 2017. I can show you some funny ones if you're interested. But they were arguing that

00:46:08.000 we need these institutional guardrails against people voting for the wrong person. And those

00:46:16.180 institutional guardrails are so-called democratic institutions, which is another cute rhetorical trick,

00:46:21.580 because that's the CIA State Department watchword for asset. When USAID, for example, goes in and funds

00:46:30.120 university centers, media outlets, parliamentarian groups, activist groups, legal scholars, you name it

00:46:43.040 in a region. They are building up their assets to exert soft power influence on that society,

00:46:50.100 on that government, in order to influence the passage of laws, the span of operations that

00:46:56.920 they're doing that touch the U.S. embassy in the region. And so, what they argued is, actually,

00:47:01.640 democracy is not about the will of individuals. It's about the consensus of institutions. So, if there's

00:47:08.200 institutional consensus building between the military, the diplomatic sphere, the intelligence

00:47:15.380 community, the NGOs, the media outlets, the universities, that's really democracy. Those

00:47:22.580 are the institutional guardrails, the people who know best. That's a difficult process, by the way.

00:47:28.300 That's a process that takes months, years. That's why there are these major consensus-building

00:47:33.880 institutions, like the Atlantic Council, and the Council on Foreign Relations, and Wilson Center,

00:47:38.340 and the Carnegie Endowment. We have a whole suite of consensus-building institutions to bring

00:47:44.180 together the banks, the corporations, the government officials, the outside interests, so they all

00:47:49.760 get on the same page about a certain policy, or initiative, or regional drive, or industrial change.

00:47:56.720 If, at the end of that process, a bunch of people vote for a politician because he does funny TikTok

00:48:04.280 videos, or he's got a popular dance, and throws a monkey wrench in those years of consensus-building,

00:48:11.040 that they began to view as an attack on democracy. And so, they said democracy is really about

00:48:17.060 institutions. And you can actually look up, for example, Reid Hoffman. In 2019, they were doing all of

00:48:24.600 these conferences, where they said elections are a threat to democracy. Elections corrupt democracy,

00:48:31.320 because we can't think of democracy as elections anymore. For example, Ukraine has banned elections.

00:48:37.580 We don't, we still call, we still say we are providing $300 billion of military support to promote

00:48:43.040 democracy in Ukraine, even though they don't have elections. What's because of the, it's controlled

00:48:47.880 by US institutions. One of the smartest guys out there, Mike Benz. And man, I hope, I hope, I hope

00:48:56.460 that Mike Benz goes in and helps President Trump to so much that Mike Benz can add. I mean, one of the

00:49:02.280 heavyweight public intellectuals out there. What I'm going to do is I've got, I'm going to hold

00:49:07.820 Natalie over. Jack Posobiec is going to join me the next hour. There's a lot going on in Ukraine,

00:49:13.800 but in Syria, I think you may have Turkey involved. Syria has turned into a very serious

00:49:20.020 situation, not just for Israel, but for the entire region. And what we're going to have,

00:49:25.200 break it all down, what's happening in Syria. And also this, you know, their favorite playpen,

00:49:29.900 their favorite play box is a sandbox is Ukraine. We'd like to break down about that. That's Mike

00:49:35.800 Benz on Joe Rogan the other day. And that was a masterclass. We just cut three and a half minutes,

00:49:40.940 but you can listen to the whole thing. And if you haven't, you ought to go over it and listen to

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Bannon's War Room - December 07, 2024

Episode 4109： Watch Out For The Blanket Pardons

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