Bannon's War Room - Episode 4128： The Spectrum Of WarFare Against The US

00:00:00.000 this is the primal scream of a dying regime pray for our enemies because we're going to medieval

00:00:10.940 on these people here's not got a free shot all these networks lying about the people the people

00:00:17.580 have had a belly full of it i know you don't like hearing that i know you try to do everything the

00:00:21.660 world to stop that but you're not going to stop it it's going to happen and where do people like

00:00:25.260 that go to share the big line mega media i wish in my soul i wish that any of these people had a

00:00:33.500 conscience ask yourself what is my task and what is my purpose if that answer is to save my country

00:00:41.280 this country will be saved war room here's your host stephen k bann

00:00:55.260 okay uh welcome back uh saturday 14 december year of our lord 2024 since the um conversation was so

00:01:04.160 amazing the other day i wanted to come back on uh saturday before the army navy game right at three

00:01:09.920 o'clock uh president is going to be there that would be president donald john trump doing what

00:01:15.880 we did back in 16 is a show of force since biden the illegitimate regime is basically blown off the

00:01:21.780 uh the field and every other aspect just put a uh in their grill the army navy game today very

00:01:27.780 honored now to have clear pascal and colonel grant newsham is that how you pronounce your last name

00:01:33.760 i know you're canadian so i want to be very sensitive here since we haven't negotiated the

00:01:37.440 deal yet for the 51st state um please please take us over okay here's a question are are we at war

00:01:46.260 with the chinese communist party i'm gonna start with you we're at war with the chinese are you guys just

00:01:50.160 like us because i'm fully sanctioned i'm the only civilian in the history of this country be fully

00:01:54.920 sanctioned by the chinese communist party and it happened at one minute after um noon on the 20th

00:02:02.420 of january 2021 and and pompeo navarro pottinger myself uh and those three were still in the government

00:02:08.740 the time i was out so far we can't have anything to do with any chinese companies we never traveled to

00:02:13.720 to hong kong or to the mainland never visited any friends over there i spent years in in and out of

00:02:19.880 shanghai and other places but and uh we would be pressing the bet if we went to taiwan right

00:02:25.600 so the question is they say well bannon he's got this new federal state and all these crazies and

00:02:30.380 they're saying take down the ccp and lao baijin is going to win and everything like that

00:02:33.920 but in this town as you know there's a very different attitude about the chinese communist party

00:02:39.880 and so they look at us as kind of it where we may have forced our way into the mainstream

00:02:44.940 in populist politics and national economics and winning elections and you know put in fear of god

00:02:50.360 of in this regard we've changed the the uh discussion the conversation because now people

00:02:56.620 focus on the ccp versus the chinese people but it's still fringy in the fact of this town no matter

00:03:03.800 how they talk are all best case accommodationists and worst case collaborators and so we are the fringe

00:03:11.660 where they we say we want to confront these people you know the book by was it josh rogan from the from

00:03:17.400 the washington post which i still think is the best book written about president trump during their

00:03:22.040 first term was was a mandate chaos under heaven it was about she versus trump and he said you had

00:03:27.160 traditionally you had uh you had hawks right and you'd like put pompeo and these guys and then you

00:03:32.540 had uh uh moderates and then you had the wall street crowd which accommodationists but in trump's thing

00:03:37.880 you had a new group of bannon navarro and stephen miller a lot of times and they fundamentally

00:03:44.180 question the legitimacy of the chinese communist party as even a government we should be dealing

00:03:48.960 everything and everything should be focused on their takedown now so people know when they come to war

00:03:54.180 room you're in the hardest core of the hardcore but and we say it all the time so make the case

00:03:59.740 if you're saying we're at war with the chinese communist party and already at war with them

00:04:04.040 what facts do you bring for that other than the fact you're just another crazy person over at the

00:04:09.320 war room screaming into the microphone ma'am uh they declared war on the u.s so if you take a look at

00:04:15.740 what's in the publications in the in china daily or global times from at least 2019 they talk about a

00:04:20.860 people's war that is chinese communist party language for for being at war and those are official

00:04:27.140 publications those are you don't write that by accident and i think one of the things what do you mean

00:04:33.140 official there's there's one's a tabloid the other's a newspaper what do you mean official

00:04:36.980 publications you don't publish something like that in china daily or global times and keep your job or

00:04:42.580 your head if the administrate if the regime doesn't like it and the term people's work they're like

00:04:48.420 used to be with the the soviet union yeah and i think what would be helpful is taking a a look at the

00:04:55.560 word war right um their version of war is very different than our version of war it's much more

00:05:01.360 comprehensive and we we have had i mean you you in the u.s so part of george washington's farewell

00:05:07.100 address was uh the description of the u.s as a detached and distant land which gave room to the

00:05:14.360 isolationist to say we have an option to be isolated from the rest of the world it's our decision whether

00:05:21.000 or not to get engaged in these foreign conflicts or not and um you have um you can otherwise you've got

00:05:27.940 compliant canada on one side and mexico that can be beaten down on the other but you are

00:05:32.800 effectively a strategic island what the chinese communist party has very specifically set out to

00:05:39.760 do is erase the distance between the chinese communist party ability to reach into the u.s

00:05:45.980 and that island so what you see in terms of warfare and colonel newsham has written about this

00:05:51.160 extensively in his book are things like chemical warfare with the with the use of fentanyl it's a race

00:05:56.840 distance they're hitting the u.s now colonel we'll talk about it more uh economic warfare the way that

00:06:02.460 it's used the wto bribery coercion to get into the u.s economy and destroy it from the inside

00:06:08.580 biological warfare where they blocked internal flights from wuhan but pushed external flights

00:06:14.620 including into the u.s specifically pushed for a very long time to keep exporting people who they

00:06:21.080 knew a percentage of whom would likely be able to carry disease into the u.s so if you look across

00:06:27.000 a whole range of of the spectrum of warfare you'll see that the attacks happening within the u.s and

00:06:33.840 this isn't don't forget cyber um obviously the uh the fifth columnists and in terms of people are

00:06:41.680 taking money from the chinese they've declared war but they're also waging a war through erasing that

00:06:48.580 distance that buffered the u.s for for centuries so now it's it's it's a rear guard action on the

00:06:55.840 part of the u.s this is what you talk about often on the war room that the fight isn't

00:07:00.580 necessarily just taiwan the fight is cleaning up what's here now who's walking across the border we

00:07:06.400 talked when here the other day we talked about chinese arriving in the united states in the

00:07:12.200 commonwealth of northern marianas without a visa illegally taking boats to guam and wandering around the

00:07:16.420 military bases look at the land purchases and strategic locations so this is across the board

00:07:23.100 it would be very hard to make an economic justification for the activities that the

00:07:28.460 chinese communist party is doing in the united states if it wasn't part of a strategic plan

00:07:33.740 to erode the united states from the inside a sort of entropic warfare right where you degrade it and

00:07:38.760 weaken it to get to the point where you know they'll you'll hear the term win without fighting but

00:07:44.360 the actual translation is get the other side to submit without fighting and submission is a permanent

00:07:49.560 state winning is one off you beat the japanese you sign a piece of paper you help japan rebuild

00:07:55.700 you get the other side to submit that is permanent you're you are in a permanent state of submission that's

00:08:01.580 a very different definition of winning so i would argue that uh we may the the west may not think it's

00:08:07.820 war with china the chinese communist party organs have said they are you're a marine corps colonel

00:08:13.180 right yes this is you can't get too close to that thing um you at one time were the oldest colonel in

00:08:21.020 the marine corps were you not i was pretty close to it if not the oldest one your your book is provocative

00:08:26.680 even when i first got just by the title when china attacks you don't say if china's going to attack

00:08:32.380 why they're going to attack you say when they're going to attack and the book is so frightening to

00:08:37.140 people because you go through very specific details when they attack now that is the you you

00:08:43.540 at the center of the gravity of the book is more the kinetic part you lead up to it but when you say

00:08:49.360 when china attacks on that colonel grant newsroom spectrum where are we right now are they already

00:08:56.640 in attack mode but it just are through non-kinetic means oh definitely and i would say the the kinetic

00:09:03.400 part the shooting if it comes that will actually almost be an afterthought uh they've been at it for

00:09:09.320 at least 30 years uh against us and as mentioned the the attack is economic uh it's on the chemical

00:09:17.320 front psychological front even where you've gotten america's elites to think that that china's not a

00:09:22.880 threat now that we just have to treat them nicely and they'll become like a giant canada

00:09:26.960 uh and the the drug the chemical warfare against us which we've talked about before has just been

00:09:34.480 astonishing and how much harm it has cost us uh the economic front that we've mentioned if you just

00:09:40.080 want to see what that's like go up to place like baltimore go to somewhere like sparrow's point where

00:09:44.620 there used to be a steel mill there used to be neighborhoods there with hard-working people

00:09:49.080 it's all gone and that is not just coincidence it's not just the economic forces uh at work but

00:09:56.800 rather these were conscious decisions made by americans who were targeted by the chinese communist

00:10:02.260 uh to i want to go back to the history of this and in that maybe we through your guys history

00:10:07.800 if memory serves me correctly the uh our involvement in the shooting part of world war ii the kinetic part

00:10:16.180 happened on december 7th of 1941 but the war had been actually going on for six years the kinetic

00:10:22.520 part you had headed the imperial japanese invaded manchuria kind of kicked things off you had the

00:10:27.240 spanish civil war you had munich you had uh you had uh the everything to do with czechoslovakia and

00:10:33.760 australia uh then you had the uh invasion of uh the deal first with uh with the russians you had the

00:10:40.980 blitz you had the fall of france you had one thing after another then poland 39 and then finally the

00:10:46.480 russian wehrmacht invades and then 1940 in june in 1941 uh so six years of not just a lead-up and a

00:10:54.580 build-up but actually people dying on battlefields all throughout the world um and then in that fight

00:11:02.060 the russian people and the chinese people were actually allies they you know we had shang kai shik

00:11:07.880 had the communists over there but lao baijing and the russian peasants or serfs took the brunt

00:11:13.620 of the kinetic part of that war against imperial japan in the wehrmacht i don't know 35 million

00:11:19.880 dead in china 65 million dead in russia and i realized a lot of the chinese were fighting each

00:11:25.360 other and not fighting the japanese but at the end of the day with what's still well in these guys they

00:11:30.580 were allies how did we end up in a place at the end of that conflict that the chinese people

00:11:37.160 who you know it's sunday the senate come over here raise a ton of money i remember the catholics

00:11:42.080 even as a kid you're sending money for the orphans in china how do we get into a situation

00:11:46.340 that the chinese at the end of world war ii being our ally ended up in the communist hands and we end

00:11:53.320 up 80 years later that we've built actually a monster that could devour us let's start with cleo

00:12:00.940 and then we can go to newton there was a a period where um certain people i'm going to jump sort of

00:12:09.000 to the to the middle period to the to the nixon uh kisser you don't want to talk about us giving the

00:12:13.920 country over in 49 because didn't we give the country out and look mccarthy these guys were right

00:12:19.320 about something i mean people talk about the rise of mccarthy mccarthy they lose the fact mccarthy

00:12:23.920 what what galvanized the elites in our country in the late 40s was who was responsible for the

00:12:30.120 fall of china yeah people today think well the chinese things can't come i said no since the

00:12:34.300 beginning of the post-war era wasn't russia was bad enough with the atomic bomb the hydrogen bomb

00:12:38.780 but at first it triggered all the anti-communist witch hunts which i think were justified because

00:12:44.020 there were communists all over which china was an ally and then the next time you look around and

00:12:48.840 and these communists are controlling it and we're out right after all that sacrifice so what in that

00:12:55.440 wasn't that the elites in our country have always kind of been been in bed with these guys there were

00:13:00.640 there were efforts so after the war uh when the u.s was still in control of a lot of the pacific

00:13:06.320 including saipan there the cia ran an operation on saipan through the naval technical training unit

00:13:13.420 where they were training um taiwanese to to parachute into into china right it did not end

00:13:20.460 well for for those uh for the taiwanese for the trainees that's right so but so there were parts

00:13:25.920 the parts of the uh structure that were um that were saw what was coming and were concerned about it

00:13:32.820 and were trying to do something about it well brother john birch was one of these guys right wasn't

00:13:37.560 he a train when he was a guy that that ended up it ended up killed right by the communists on a

00:13:44.220 railroad track what up in manchuria or somewhere near there that i deferred not that he's a hero of

00:13:48.920 mine but he is um yeah so the point is that there there were elements saying no there's always

00:13:57.360 patriots and realize what we're going to do but my point is the official app in 1949 general marshall

00:14:02.700 goes over there it hangs out for a week in the in the mountains and next thing you know the chinese

00:14:06.480 we turned it over to the chinese commerce did we not and i'm not trying to be a a revisionist

00:14:12.840 historian but these people got to look at us and say hey these guys gave us up once

00:14:17.580 yes yeah and go ahead you also had at that time it's very um impressive actually the chinese

00:14:26.220 some communist subversion of the nationalist government and they had been working on that for decades

00:14:31.820 and you found within the chinese military you had guys who were basically you had generals who were

00:14:37.880 chinese agents communist agents and when the time came they just moved to the other side but also

00:14:43.120 working on the u.s side within the u.s government you had people who referred to the communists as just

00:14:49.200 agrarian reformers these were honest people who said that shankai-shek was corrupt right and you

00:14:55.220 shankai-shek was corrupt well he was he reads still uh hang on for one second we're gonna take

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00:15:02.760 entire hour and we're talking about the chinese communist party and i'm gonna press my two guests

00:15:07.380 are we actually at war or is this more uh fever swamp fantasy from the far right because we've always

00:15:14.280 wanted to get it on with the communists right we're kind of we're sad that the soviet union collapsed so

00:15:19.640 we got to pick on more communists so we're going to pick on the poor chinese communist party short

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00:17:17.120 okay welcome back um

00:17:23.480 did we turn did the united states government and senior officials united states government

00:17:29.840 allow or turn over china to the communists with no i mean i realize they infiltrated and they had a civil

00:17:37.780 war and certain guys are flipping sides but there were people over here that knew better right i mean

00:17:44.300 if the chinese had not we've not bled out imperial japan's major land force on the mainland in manchuria

00:17:52.600 the island hopping to get to saipan would have been another million guys dead right and it'd been

00:17:57.260 four years later one of the reasons we could get where we could get is that the chinese took the

00:18:01.880 brunt of it correct and and and i realized they're double dealing and triple deal if you read still

00:18:07.740 well in china read any of the books on it you can't tell who's the good guys and who's the bad guys

00:18:11.560 because they're double dealing everybody but that's just china because after 10 000 years of a

00:18:16.940 great civilization you've had no freedom you either had emperors or warlords you you you understand that

00:18:23.000 you got to play both sides against the middle constantly right they're good at it and no

00:18:28.120 question about it it's the marines also actually and actually regarded the chinese communists pretty

00:18:34.180 well actually there was a fellow named evans carlson yes and red mike mike edson who had been with the

00:18:41.300 chinese communists in the 30s and came and said well these guys are you know they're egalitarians they're

00:18:46.740 good fighters and this expression gung-ho is one that they introduced into the marine corps

00:18:51.460 and you found that sort of thinking within not just the marines but also in i think the u.s

00:18:57.420 intelligence people davis and davies and these guys they did admire them after the 10 000 the long

00:19:02.520 march and living up the mountains and they had an egalitarian maybe the criminal mentality of of

00:19:09.920 because didn't when he when the long march was over and they got in the mountains the first thing

00:19:13.520 mal wanted to do was shoot all the he executed all the top guys around him because he didn't want any

00:19:17.960 he didn't want any i think xi's father was somehow involved in this or as a young they didn't want uh

00:19:24.040 they didn't want he didn't want good guys around him he wanted to kill them all right so they always

00:19:27.720 had a gangster mentality yeah that's that's the nature of the chinese communist party what do you mean

00:19:32.720 uh it actually it resembles an organized crime group if you look at the top uh management uh it's all

00:19:40.280 about power it's about domination there's no idea of sharing power all about power and control and i

00:19:47.320 spent a long time dealing with japanese organized crime and you when i look at the ccp i don't look

00:19:54.200 at a legitimate sort of form of government i just see an organized crime group okay we have

00:19:59.700 you jump in here you've got all of wall street's in business with them you got goldman sachs morgan

00:20:05.720 stanley jp morgan you got i'm not talking marginalia bucket shops i'm talking about the

00:20:10.380 premier fiduciaries on wall street larry fink saying the most important thing you do is open up china

00:20:15.920 to to larry fink's financial markets you got every tech company's in business with them elon musk the

00:20:22.000 reason elon musk have such a fight all the time is you know i'm saying he's doing business with these

00:20:26.300 guys with tesla and taking their money and all that so you have and you have every guy in here and in

00:20:31.720 in in the u.s they may talk tough in front of a microphone but they all want to be in business with

00:20:35.920 them so how can they they they do they not realize that they are an organized crime apparatus syndicate

00:20:43.240 and nothing more than that you know that's always puzzled me because if you had a say a similar

00:20:48.280 situation and set up say in north carolina nobody would do business there but because it's china

00:20:53.820 people just go insane it's the smell of money and what have you and everyone thinks what's going to

00:20:59.180 be different for me these guys really like us and if you want to understand how the chinese

00:21:04.820 communist party works watch a series a season of the sopranos and that would probably do you

00:21:10.280 just as well as getting a is this racial in any way if this was if this was if they ran it was a

00:21:16.860 white country let's say italy or or france or or uh hungary and they operated like they operate here

00:21:23.940 with the united states with with the elites united states actually because and i don't try to overplay

00:21:31.480 this but if you look at hitler and you look at stalin and you look at mal they're all monsters

00:21:37.260 i would argue in the in the monster gradation i would actually put mal at the first because he

00:21:43.660 killed 100 million of his people and he would kill 100 million more if he had to right for and i mean

00:21:48.680 the most brutal way possible starving him to death tortured him to death right with the collectivization

00:21:54.300 of the farms the great hunger the great leap forward every failure he had he didn't care how

00:21:58.600 many he killed this guy was truly a monster don't they understand that they not understand they're in

00:22:04.320 business with the the direct descendants politically and culturally and socially of monsters so i would

00:22:11.940 like to just talk about this a little bit from the canadian historical perspective i know this is not

00:22:15.820 something that usually attracts people but since you're going to be the new 51st state according to

00:22:19.500 our beloved president we would love to hear since we failed three times to take you guys over

00:22:24.060 militarily yes right we would love to have your opinion here uh yeah and and this is going to give you

00:22:29.140 another reason to want to take over canada because some of this at least tracks back to canada

00:22:33.900 canada wanted to recognize the communist party in the 1950s it was only the korean war i never realized

00:22:40.260 that yeah they they were the first to kind of step forward of the major nations because they've been

00:22:44.060 such a great ally in world war ii in europe and um why did they want to do it because the leftist

00:22:50.380 form of the government so there were there are basically three things that came together in

00:22:53.680 canada which gives an indication of maybe what came together here one was there were a lot of

00:22:57.000 canadian missionaries in china yes yeah and the children of the missionaries the missionary kids

00:23:02.140 came back and because they spoke mandarin went into the government and they saw the corruption of the

00:23:08.520 chiang kai check era and had bought into this um narrative that the communists are really good at

00:23:15.320 pr they know how to find your buttons and push them and they had pushed the buttons of these

00:23:20.700 missionary kids that went back into the canadian foreign service and many of the first canadian

00:23:25.280 ambassadors to china were missionary kids they were the children of missionaries they spoke mandarin

00:23:29.560 because they spoke mandarin the other was the business element right you got to make you got to

00:23:33.900 business but the third was knee-jerk anti-americanism so you had these all these kind of trends come

00:23:39.240 together in people like governor trudeau's father uh pierre trudeau who went to china in 1949

00:23:46.580 on a kind of actually it's it's axiomatic here in the war room that that's actually cash trouble

00:23:51.840 we'll take it as the yeah as the we want to make sure you can get back in the country thank you very

00:23:55.880 much pierre trudeau yeah uh so uh pierre and then he went in uh again as a labor lawyer in 1960

00:24:02.720 and he's the one that opened up canada the chinese in 1970 before the u.s and canada pioneered that

00:24:08.440 language that one china policy language where you say taiwan is yours and we acknowledge that very

00:24:15.100 wishy-washy canadian approach that the u.s then adopted and immediately afterwards in the 1970s we

00:24:22.880 set up the canada china business council which includes on its board bombardier snc lavalier power

00:24:28.540 corp power and power corp after their terms hired four canadian prime ministers and they're the ones

00:24:36.440 that helped the soes of the chinese state learn how to invest in western industries that's right

00:24:42.780 state-owned enterprises yeah the chinese government companies right taught them state capitalism where

00:24:47.240 the chinese countries party owns a stake and they get all the the contracts from the state that's right

00:24:52.140 and we know that when kissinger was looking at how to uh do his path to opening up china he talked to

00:24:58.860 some of the people in canada who were involved in the canadian pathway how the canadians did it so

00:25:03.680 we've had a corrupt with canada as we've had a corrupt relationship with the chinese communist party

00:25:10.240 from the beginning have we not yes you know and it's all been based on this illusion of just fabulous

00:25:16.980 wealth to be had in china and her business element where they've always looked at this huge market in

00:25:23.220 this kind of mythic market that's it and i think that goes back to you know that idea of selling what

00:25:28.260 add an inch to everybody's um to the the gowns of every chinese person you could keep the mills of

00:25:34.360 england running forever uh and i don't think that's that much different and then when you do throw in a

00:25:40.060 dose of anti-americanism uh that that makes it even worse but i think in the the u.s case uh it's

00:25:46.520 pretty much people convincing themselves that there was nothing to see no problems at all and everyone

00:25:52.000 was going to be fabulously wealthy you have nixon nixon does it strategically or geo strategically he

00:25:57.580 feels that he's got to somehow shift the calculus away from russia and at that time before reagan comes

00:26:06.200 or they think russia's ahead of us you know on economy is when reagan comes in and they have

00:26:11.340 team b does analysis oh well we made a slight slight miscalculation china's russia's economy is

00:26:17.660 not two times the size of us it's actually smaller and reagan acts how much smaller and it says well

00:26:22.600 it's the size of california right where he goes why are these guys such a big problem but you have

00:26:28.400 nixon do this strategic but then you get to the late 80s and the regime just can't continue on with

00:26:36.000 the suppression of the chinese people it collapses on tenement but yet again we bail them out so we

00:26:41.240 bail them out first time we give them the country in the late 40s second we make them a strategic

00:26:45.920 essential partner where they even with everything they're doing in vietnam and all that that they

00:26:50.600 got to be strategically help us against the soviets and then in 89 after the chinese communist party has

00:26:56.080 mangled everything and now has a popular revolt the elites of the united states bail them out again

00:27:01.120 am i wrong in that no in fact you look on the internet you see the letter george bush wrote to

00:27:06.800 dung xiaoping after tiananman square massacre it's there and it gives the word fawning a new meaning

00:27:13.120 and that's what we did and the i would say that uh by by the early 2000s it was obvious

00:27:21.200 what the danger was and then we bailed them out again but bush bush was not some yahoo from the

00:27:26.980 primium basin from houston bush besides being an old yankee establishment family had been two random

00:27:33.720 jobs uh ambassador to china and the head of the cia so this guy to write a fawning letter is outrageous

00:27:40.320 given the fact oh and you were wingman to reagan to take down the evil empire he should have known

00:27:46.100 chapter and verse of how evil this regime is and how to your theory they're just a collection of

00:27:51.560 gangsters like the mafia how do we not because i think it makes it tough for people today said hey

00:27:56.880 somehow this government and the business elite and in the technology elite and the corporates

00:28:02.060 they've been in business with these guys for 70 or 80 years that's the scam that's going on and now

00:28:07.460 they're talking about oh they're going to be competitors and everything like that not only are

00:28:10.560 they mortal enemies they're mortal enemies that we have had as junior partners and or bailed out at any

00:28:16.320 time yeah so one of the things that you might want to think about also is we're talking about

00:28:20.580 companies but it's actually the people they want to capture the elite of those companies so

00:28:24.280 the head of a company might make a lot of capture yeah it might make a lot of money and his company

00:28:28.520 might go bankrupt i mean you know that from motorola so the ccp isn't targeting the companies

00:28:33.740 hang on one second we gotta take a short i'm so wrapped up in this i am i'm missing my clock

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00:30:28.160 okay welcome back um you had some i did okay so talking about modern monetary theory in the end

00:30:36.060 of the dollar empire there is another member of the bricks uh india that i think could be injected

00:30:41.800 into this conversation very helpfully so like injecting the conversation let me right here the

00:30:46.620 indian by the way they were the indian renaissance the modi decade i put together and both you guys

00:30:56.060 have uh pieces in here you're you're you're china experts you're known as china experts and some of

00:31:03.520 the top people about ccp what are you doing in a book on india so if you uh understand china you

00:31:09.640 really appreciate india so a lot of the narrative that goes around china for example a rising power will

00:31:15.880 always be competitive well you know india's a rising power and it's been just fine with the u.s

00:31:20.660 or the fact that you need a authoritarian government to to run a country of a billion people well india

00:31:27.300 has bigger population than china does and it's a democratic pluralistic economy all of these

00:31:33.980 narratives that the ccp puts out to justify its existence and to justify its behavior are completely

00:31:39.280 undermined by the existence of this country right next door and what did they say because it's with a

00:31:45.220 a billion what a billion four now in india they have 900 800 million can vote it takes a month but

00:31:49.660 they always get a vote what's the ccp's response to that trying to make the u.s think that it's

00:31:55.920 undemocratic that it's authoritarian that it represses its religious minorities try it's the narrative

00:32:02.380 warfare component of it we are but how do they justify the chinese people if you look throughout the

00:32:06.840 world they block sub-saharan africa parts of latin america if you look at asia you look at

00:32:11.200 it's the last civilization to have demise i mean so obviously absurd on the face of it

00:32:17.160 how can it be justified internally they don't let information about india come in and and what they do

00:32:22.480 let come in is very racist so for example you know that you wouldn't couldn't use china virus but when

00:32:28.020 there was a um a variant that came out of india in hong kong for example they were calling it the

00:32:33.860 india variant as much as they possibly could so there's a very deliberate effort not just to create

00:32:39.400 uh division between the chinese people and the indian people including through what happens on

00:32:43.700 the border right that the indians are the are the only ones in in recent years to kill pla soldiers

00:32:50.020 when they were being attacked the pla attacked them on the stones and the whole fight it was it was

00:32:55.920 more it was they it was very brutal 20 uh indian soldiers were killed and in june 2020 and what was

00:33:03.400 the first retaliation two weeks later by the indians do you remember no what did they do they

00:33:08.640 banned 59 chinese apps including tiktok and wechat i remember that now yes because the that hits them

00:33:13.980 and they don't want the kids being warped by the uh by the chinese knocked six billion dollars off

00:33:18.580 the evaluation of bite dance it blocked them out of because they compete the indians compete with

00:33:23.100 them for infrastructure projects and they thought that the chinese were getting their bid data off of

00:33:27.360 their phones it also blackmail for blackmail purposes the chinese could get access to the

00:33:32.220 in the information you're saying they're at war right now information political psychological

00:33:37.420 everything besides the kinetic part which you'd say you say is going to be a yawn because by the time

00:33:42.840 we get there we're already going to lost have lost uh tiktok president trump is the guy that's

00:33:49.800 taking the the toughest stand against china yet he's wobbling a little bit on tiktok is tiktok ccp

00:33:56.220 pla uh army information warfare and should it be banned yes it is and it should be and it

00:34:02.160 should be banned along with a lot of other things like what like what every other app that has any

00:34:07.740 connection with the chinese communist party there you have to also crack down on their so-called

00:34:13.820 press now their media operations in the united states as well what do you mean put the print

00:34:19.140 because you can get the the people's daily around the corner so if i can just the sorry but the

00:34:23.880 the 2017 national intelligence law of china requires every chinese citizen and chinese organization to

00:34:29.880 support chinese intelligence operations they're rewarded if they do and they're punished if they

00:34:34.140 don't so any any organization is required by law to give that information over to the overseas chinese

00:34:41.540 too yeah and they are and and to be clear you know we we see this with the with the chinese police

00:34:46.720 stations here a lot of it is coercive they are captive they're they're hostages of their own system

00:34:52.100 is did they have a whole of government or a whole of society people's war against the united

00:34:58.040 states is that just some theoretical thing frank gaffney talks about or is that real oh it's real what

00:35:03.480 do you mean real well you look at everything the chinese communist party does and it is all about

00:35:09.460 coercion and as leo mentioned they have said that really any chinese person anywhere is subject to

00:35:15.800 following the orders of the chinese communist party and the police the overseas police stations the

00:35:22.560 the brutality against say people who protest in san francisco when she visited and and the

00:35:28.000 thoroughgoing coercion you have this thing that's never before in the history of mankind

00:35:35.260 in the entire history of mankind has there been a mortal threat to a nation that the elites in that nation

00:35:43.940 didn't take seriously i didn't say they were going to beat them i didn't say they did smart moves

00:35:48.280 but if you go back to the history there's no time in history this is the fallacy of the acidity's trap

00:35:54.640 because talk about the rising powers i had the guy graham allison that had lunch up here and i said

00:36:00.220 hey name me the time that the elites made more money in this going up and i said of course they're going to

00:36:05.800 do this because they're making more money but no time in history has any great nation and its elites

00:36:12.660 not known what the threat was and to their self-interest acted accordingly now sometimes

00:36:19.020 they made mistakes and he led to catastrophic wars and they lost athens and spart all that

00:36:23.340 but you're making a case that they're at war with us and it's a very well thought through war and they

00:36:30.700 have tremendous advantages and there's one part of the more than a fifth column it's like the entire

00:36:36.980 elite virtually culturally society technologically corporate power financial power and political power

00:36:44.440 are actually on their side of the football is that what you're saying it is there's probably there's

00:36:49.340 examples of course where elites have done business with people who became enemies yeah i can't think

00:36:53.880 of one that's going on for 30 40 years this is my point and where the elites built up the others to

00:36:59.480 take advantage and take economic advantage of which they created to themselves by selling out

00:37:04.200 the basic people underneath them this is it's it's absolute madness if you think about it it's it

00:37:09.440 dry it's is it's it's so illogical of how it could happen and one of the more just insane part aspects of

00:37:17.460 this is that for decades every chinese elite and just any chinese person who can has tried everything

00:37:23.940 they can to get their money get their wealth out of the country and to put it into countries like the

00:37:29.420 u.s the uk canada australia the free countries and this is like a futures market where the people who

00:37:35.960 are most successful in that system don't have enough confidence in it uh to invest in the exact

00:37:42.660 opposite they know it's a con they want to get it out sooner and get it into midtown manhattan real

00:37:46.820 estate that's it and our our best and brightest at the same time think china's the future you two guys

00:37:52.960 have dedicated your lives to this right you've dedicated your professional lives to this what

00:37:58.320 is the solution for not for winning we're so far away from that but just to get a proper engagement

00:38:06.260 of the american people to for because you're not going to get the elites to do it you have to for

00:38:10.440 like we've seen here with populist nationalism you have to force the elites to do things they wouldn't

00:38:15.240 they wouldn't normally do we got a couple of minutes in this segment and then one more segment

00:38:19.240 what has to happen to stop this madness so the when the prc comes in you talked about it

00:38:25.980 extensively here they come in with a commercial front so they say this is just business intertwined

00:38:31.480 with that commercial front is always a strategic imperative you know they they'll say we're going

00:38:35.960 to help you put in a port the port just happens to have things on it that are helpful to the pla

00:38:39.860 right but what facilitates those two things always is corruption and corruption is where we have the

00:38:47.880 advantage we we are believe in truth and transparency and accountability and rule of law

00:38:53.880 and you'll hear people who believes in that we do who's we well there are four people in this room

00:38:59.640 no i mean the grundoons i got that but the power structure how do you how do you force that if that's

00:39:04.160 the case yeah because everything you've told me and hearing of it look at the history of it is the

00:39:08.320 exact reverse so they believe in feather in the nest they believe in money and power and they're

00:39:12.700 getting more powerful and more they're getting more money and therefore more powerful

00:39:16.180 by siding with their enemy yeah right am i wrong in that no but i have to i do have to say as a as

00:39:21.840 somebody who isn't an american but canate but hang on but canada is in worse shape the united states you

00:39:26.640 guys have totally rolled over have you not yes and and what i wanted to say was you are still the

00:39:31.940 shining city on the hill right and that light isn't coming from street lamps that light comes from

00:39:36.920 individual americans right and the the fight in the individual american in the belief in the idea

00:39:43.040 of you swear he swore an oath to the constitution somebody in the canadian military swears an oath

00:39:48.980 to king charles iii right what you stand for is incredibly important incredibly powerful to many

00:39:54.540 people all over the world it's not you you have an internal fight going on there's no question but the

00:40:00.140 idea of america is incredibly powerful that's why you have people in the pacific islands or in india who

00:40:06.180 still want to engage with the u.s in spite of what's been going on at different levels for so long

00:40:11.720 so i wouldn't denigrate the power of that idea and how propagating that idea and giving people around

00:40:19.300 the world the tools if you talk about the solomon islands battle of guadalcanal there are people there

00:40:23.840 now who are being persecuted for trying to stand up for democracy right their hope is is america knowing

00:40:32.000 what they do a guy called daniel sudani he wrote uh he was the premier of malaita province one of the

00:40:37.480 provinces he wrote a communique saying we don't want ccp businesses operating in our province one of

00:40:43.700 the most courageous things a leader could do state department wasn't helpful but congress wrote a

00:40:49.120 letter to try to support him the u.s is many different things and those elements within the united states

00:40:54.860 that still believe in these things have an incredible power to help deal with the horse that the chinese

00:41:00.420 communist party rides in on which is corruption go after the corruption everything else weakens

00:41:05.400 she's so upbeat right it's no it's it's i'd love it your thoughts you're you're like me you're not

00:41:11.360 upbeat i try to be but they you wrote a book that said when the chinese communist party attack come on

00:41:18.100 dude when china attacks on the other guys but the first thing you got to do is you got to have some

00:41:23.740 leadership and you have watched this as long as you have steve where the first administration

00:41:28.480 to actually stand up for the united states against china was the first trump administration

00:41:33.400 it was the first one that actually scared them and and showed what leadership could do

00:41:38.200 and guys like matt pottinger pompeo peter navarro these are people the chinese hated wanted them off

00:41:45.500 the playing field so it takes that leadership to admit that these guys are an enemy and we got to do

00:41:51.140 something about it in fact the first time that you could actually refer to the chinese as an enemy or an

00:41:56.060 adversary even in the u.s military was after 2017 before that if you said it your job forced we forced

00:42:03.620 make masses the first draft of the uh the strategic plan came to me and china was not as russia i said

00:42:09.900 this is not going to happen they got to be identified that's where you had the first one had china and

00:42:14.100 russia i didn't want russia included don't get me wrong the the kgb are bad guys there's another

00:42:19.440 criminal thing but it's not at the level china is a mortal threat to the united states of america

00:42:24.900 russia may be a threat regionally to the europeans or to ukrainians and that's bad enough but it's it's

00:42:30.700 like persia's a regional threat to the israelis it's at a different scale a different order of

00:42:37.220 magnitude and so even in that our defense department could push back it was unbelievable i mean you sit

00:42:43.060 there and go what do you mean they're enemies they're pure competitors i said stop all the happy

00:42:47.660 talk man was all this nomenclature they're mortal enemies hang on one second we got to go to a

00:42:53.180 a short commercial break so birchgold.com we don't have philip patrick on this week

00:42:59.040 i guess it's the christmas season philip's taking a philip's taking the weekend off normally have

00:43:04.720 philip on here to talk about global capital markets we're talking about the third world war we've

00:43:10.780 entered the kinetic phase of it over in uh in ukraine what did president trump say is a million dead

00:43:15.920 ukrainian soldiers and civilians on top of that he said six or seven hundred thousand russians

00:43:20.600 that arc of instability all the way from russia through romania the balkans turkey all the way

00:43:26.420 through persia all of it short commercial break back in a moment i want to warn you of a huge change

00:43:33.660 that could be coming to our money in our bank accounts first think back to 9-11 shortly after

00:43:39.400 the government pushed through the patriot act this gave the government power to spy on innocent americans

00:43:44.580 by monitoring our phone and email and tracking our movement across the internet now jim rickards

00:43:50.980 editor of the independent financial newsletter strategic intelligence and new york times best

00:43:56.100 selling author is warning about a coming event that could elevate this governmental surveillance to a

00:44:01.780 terrifying new level in fact some of the guests i've had on the war room believe that the government

00:44:06.880 will soon expand their powers to track our every move if we say the wrong things on social media

00:44:13.320 donate to the wrong causes buy firearms or even vote maga the government may be able to shut us out

00:44:19.920 of our bank accounts i can't say for sure if this will happen but it's an interesting and dire warning

00:44:27.140 fortunately jim rickards an american patriot and friend of mine has made it his mission to educate us on

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00:44:45.660 rickardswarroom.com that's rickardswarroom.com now to see the video war room here's your host

00:44:53.840 stephen k bann okay welcome back uh we only got a few minutes but i i want you guys have dedicated

00:45:01.120 your life to this for this audience i'm gonna start with newsroom i'm gonna finish with you

00:45:05.960 what should because this is the most you know we got a huge activist base highly anti-ccp um

00:45:14.380 infuriated about the city how weak it is and how nobody steps up to it what should be the takeaways

00:45:20.320 where should they go for information obviously your book when china attacks by the colonel we'll push

00:45:26.220 that out again all your writings we push up people love you but the call to action that you guys would

00:45:32.160 make on a saturday in december you know in the christmas season when you're sitting here talking

00:45:37.120 about war and you're saying hey don't pay attention to the media this ukraine stuff and with turkey and

00:45:41.480 syria that's all a sideshow this is as as captain finnell says the main thing and keep the main thing the

00:45:48.860 main thing what is your recommendation colonel well the first thing you got to do and i think we got a

00:45:53.400 chance with this new administration if you've got to make sure that they continue to see the chinese

00:45:57.860 as an enemy that wants to destroy us and we've got to stop doing this self-defeating sort of behavior

00:46:03.960 where we funded the chinese communists we still are to build up a military which could could take us on

00:46:10.000 and probably defeat us in certain cases it'd be nice to see state attorney generals and some states

00:46:15.380 have done a very good job go after the ceos of major corporations and even not so ones and sue them

00:46:21.860 for sort of business malfeasance for mishandling shareholder interests by getting into a market like

00:46:28.720 the chinese market so when you can actually at your state level and there's been some very good

00:46:33.000 work done say in oklahoma nebraska etc virginia a bit in florida as well that is where you can really

00:46:40.500 apply some pressure the chinese haven't they've tried but they haven't subverted as much as they have

00:46:45.020 most of capitol hill but also just this awareness that these are people that want to to kill us

00:46:51.160 and that has simply got to if you got if you had an offer from the trump administration to go

00:46:56.480 national security council pentagon state department anywhere at the forefront of this would you take

00:47:01.440 it sure i would it um yeah how many years in the in the core i was with them for about 30 years just

00:47:08.160 about 30 yeah so um real quickly for you pascal the fentanyl issue you're saying a million dead

00:47:15.540 they understand nobody's doing anything about it colonel grant newsroom if the three things that

00:47:20.440 must be done immediately on fentanyl to stop the crisis in your opinion suspend the people's bank of

00:47:26.140 china's license to operate in the u.s dollar system and then expose and seize the overseas assets of

00:47:32.840 let's start with the top 500 chinese communist party leaders make it personal for them those two

00:47:38.020 things you hit that flow of convertible currency into china that is what they have used to build up

00:47:43.020 their economy and their military hit them on that and then as i said make it personal and make sure

00:47:48.200 all 1.4 billion chinese people know that their leaders have moved their wealth overseas you're saying

00:47:53.320 go full economic warfare start the top and and work it has got to be something it cannot be just

00:47:59.600 incremental it has to be that serious it's got reached that point and those two things would

00:48:04.200 get you a very long ways and just install institute a system scheme of just reciprocity if you can't do

00:48:12.580 anything in china they shouldn't be able to do it here and even then cut it down that's cool

00:48:17.380 remember what your neighbors have gone through because of the chinese communist party

00:48:23.180 so remember that the the economies have been destroyed they're in there's the manufacturing has been

00:48:28.600 taken away fentanyl has been pumped into the communities your school system has been completely

00:48:33.340 subverted you know your your life as an american has been deliberately attacked to try to degrade it

00:48:40.800 and erode it so that you become supplicants this is not accidental and that is the the degree of the

00:48:47.340 attack so how do you counter it depends on who you are and where you are but join the school board

00:48:52.080 you know run for office do it from the ground up the attack is from the ground all the way through

00:48:58.740 the top and then back somebody goes to the school board and say hey i'm here because i'm trying to

00:49:02.200 fight the chinese communist party they're going to give them a tinfoil hat and say you're crazier than

00:49:06.040 the people who come here and say we got to take the pornography out of the libraries with the pink

00:49:10.580 the librarians and blue spiked hair you're here because you're you're defending the american way of life

00:49:15.080 whoever's attacking it right you need to you need to re uh what's the best way for a citizen out here

00:49:21.020 the common man and woman to start to inform people and put the dispositive question everything

00:49:27.520 that we look at as a country geopolitically and every action we take is got to look at in the 21st

00:49:32.800 century who's going to win the chinese communist party or the american republic how do they do that

00:49:36.560 so what what i because because um there i work in a lot of parts of the world where there are other

00:49:42.960 options i talk about freedom versus the authoritarianism in fact fascism that's being exported from the

00:49:50.040 chinese communist party if you talk about freedom you can bring in all these other allies like india

00:49:54.440 and and taiwan and other countries into the fight what do you mean exporting fascism they're

00:49:59.680 exporting about that they're exporting a system where technically you the an authoritarian regime

00:50:05.060 uses the economic mechanisms uh to achieve its goals right so it's the theory of the case the reason

00:50:12.300 the clinton the most favored nation the world trade organization is the wealthier they got the more that

00:50:16.700 the poor got into the middle class they would become a liberal democracy like we were have we not have

00:50:23.040 our elites not actually copied their model of state controlled capitalism and authoritarian rule through

00:50:28.100 information and this is what the trump so i saw that i saw that very clearly in canada where we were

00:50:33.940 freezing bank accounts of people who were doing things politically that we didn't like right with

00:50:38.380 the truckers for example so you can see that kind of social credit system being tested and rolled out in

00:50:43.820 different locations and then that's why it's such a if you you look broad more broadly some of our

00:50:50.020 allies are deeply part of the problem and some are potentially part of the solution uh where do people

00:50:56.460 get you all of it the website social media all of it so my social media i have to say that war room

00:51:02.420 posse has been very kind to me they've posted a lot of very nice comments and thank you very much it's

00:51:07.980 i'm i'm shy about it and you have been wonderful uh and that's on x it's my name it's cleo pascal

00:51:14.100 c-l-e-o-p-a-s-k-a-l and really thank you for all the kind comments and make sure everybody positive and

00:51:20.180 push their contents the book where people go get the book now you can get it on amazon barnes and

00:51:26.060 noble and that sort of place and i'm on uh twitter at at newsham grant and you're and you're open to

00:51:33.080 working the trump is there another book if you had to write if you had to get a book contract today

00:51:36.900 what would the title of your new book be bringing down the ccp wow can i be the governor of canada

00:51:43.880 in the new administration that would be our dream you would be fantastic you know it's really amazing

00:51:52.180 canada nice is actually a thing sorry no no canada nice is really a thing uh honored to have you on

00:51:59.800 here many more conversations really want to spend more time with you on the on the pacific island chain

00:52:04.840 we have so many people that are grandchildren children of veterans that fought there it's it's

00:52:09.900 inexcusable that given what they understood about you want to put the western frontier of america

00:52:15.340 farther west in the pacific that would essentially today be turning it over want to thank you guys on

00:52:20.740 army navy weekend football president will be there this afternoon games actually in dc right at not a

00:52:27.460 redskin stadium because that's down the street here and they're trying to figure out what to do it but

00:52:31.620 out at i guess fedex field or whatever it's called today president united states donald j trump will

00:52:36.100 be there real america's voice be picking up live we're back here monday at 10 a.m eastern standard

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Bannon's War Room - December 14, 2024

Episode 4128： The Spectrum Of WarFare Against The US

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