Bannon's War Room - Episode 4138： Fanni Willis Disqualified In Georgia; CR Fight Continues To Get Messy

00:00:00.000 We'll be right back.

00:00:30.000 I wish that any of these people had a conscience.

00:00:33.540 Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?

00:00:37.220 If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.

00:00:43.640 War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Mann.

00:00:52.120 It's Thursday, 19 December, year of war, 2024.

00:00:55.120 We are live from the Phoenix Convention Center in downtown Phoenix, Arizona.

00:00:58.980 We're here for AmFest.

00:01:00.120 My wingman, Natalie Winters, that will be up and down on the show all day long today

00:01:05.640 as we deal with the firestorm in Washington, D.C., of a government that's about to shut down.

00:01:11.920 I mean, that's not that terrible, is it?

00:01:14.340 Right? It was down control.

00:01:15.200 But we have massive breaking news.

00:01:17.520 We're going to get to a cold open in a moment.

00:01:19.100 Natalie Winters, huge news out of Atlanta, Georgia.

00:01:23.100 What do you have for us?

00:01:23.900 The Georgia Court of Appeals has just ruled that Fannie Willis must be disqualified from the 2020 election case 1.00

00:01:30.960 along with her entire office, which essentially means that if they want to re-up the case,

00:01:36.680 they'd have to shop it around to another district.

00:01:39.000 It's such good news.

00:01:39.840 I'm happy to read the entire statement if you would like to.

00:01:41.760 Take your time.

00:01:42.560 I'm going to savor this.

00:01:43.560 Joy Ann Reed, Rachel Maddow, all of MSNBC, we're going to savor this all day today.

00:01:51.840 Take your time and take it from the top.

00:01:53.640 This is absolute blockbuster news.

00:01:55.780 What happened in Atlanta, Georgia?

00:01:57.900 Georgia was an appellate court down there.

00:01:59.960 What happened?

00:02:00.540 I think our retribution is a little bit better than theirs.

00:02:02.840 After carefully considering the trial court's findings and its order,

00:02:07.720 we conclude that it erred by failing to disqualify D.A. Willis and her office.

00:02:13.140 The remedy crafted by the trial court to prevent an ongoing appearance of impropriety

00:02:17.180 did nothing to address the appearance of impropriety that existed at times

00:02:20.960 when D.A. Willis was exercising her broad pretrial discretion about who to prosecute

00:02:25.940 and what charges to bring.

00:02:27.740 While we recognize that an appearance of impropriety generally is not enough

00:02:31.880 to support disqualification, this is the rare case in which disqualification is mandated

00:02:38.100 and no other remedy will suffice to restore public confidence in the integrity of these proceedings.

00:02:45.540 That is a full beatdown, is it not?

00:02:47.660 That's not the war room posse.

00:02:48.840 That's not Gateway Pundit.

00:02:50.140 That's not Citizen Free Press.

00:02:51.600 Yeah.

00:02:53.200 This is something we have talked about on the show since, I think, the summer of 23, was it?

00:02:58.760 I think we're adding Fannie Willis to the list of a blanket preemptive party. 1.00

00:03:02.640 Yeah, yeah, no, Fannie and her entire office. 0.95

00:03:05.480 And the boyfriend.

00:03:06.560 Fannie, you're part of the vast criminal conspiracy. 0.56

00:03:09.360 It's quite obvious.

00:03:10.700 This is unbelievable.

00:03:12.080 And I had tip to Boris Epstein and the entire President Trump legal team for this, and also

00:03:21.820 for the electors and Rudy Giuliani and everybody, Mark Meadows, everybody that was tortured by

00:03:28.320 these people.

00:03:29.540 Let's take it.

00:03:30.220 So, folks, this is a great way to start this conference.

00:03:33.840 We're here at AmFest with Tucker's here, Don Jr.'s here.

00:03:37.120 The president's coming.

00:03:38.660 So, we're kicking off today.

00:03:40.500 As you know, we love doing these live shows.

00:03:43.020 We're here quite early in the morning, and the gates haven't totally opened, so we'll

00:03:47.500 get folks up here, and we'll be in the audience doing it with all the war and posse.

00:03:51.440 But I want to take it one more time, because essentially, the Georgia case is not only finished

00:03:57.440 and dead, but more importantly, the hunted are now going to become the hunters, because 0.98

00:04:04.220 Fannie Willis is a crook. 1.00

00:04:06.260 She's totally corrupt. 1.00

00:04:07.840 Was it Nathan Wade? 0.94

00:04:09.320 Nathan Wade, that entire fiasco, the embarrassing, humiliating fiasco, which we said from day

00:04:14.040 one was not just illegal, but it was also a fiasco.

00:04:17.940 Can you just read it one more time?

00:04:19.020 This is a major development from the appellate court in the state of Georgia.

00:04:22.940 I will happily read it a second time.

00:04:26.360 You may be doing this all day.

00:04:27.940 Yeah, this is our show programming.

00:04:30.160 After carefully considering the trial court's findings and its order, we conclude that it

00:04:35.160 erred by failing to disqualify D.A.

00:04:37.680 Willis and her office.

00:04:39.600 The remedy crafted by the trial court to prevent an ongoing appearance of impropriety did nothing

00:04:44.600 to address the appearance of impropriety that existed at times when D.A.

00:04:48.400 Willis was exercising her broad pretrial discretion about who to prosecute and what charges to

00:04:54.500 bring.

00:04:55.240 While we recognize that an appearance of impropriety generally is not enough to support disqualification,

00:05:01.220 this is the rare case in which disqualification is mandated and no other remedy will suffice

00:05:07.160 to restore public confidence in the integrity of these proceedings.

00:05:12.200 Wow.

00:05:13.060 Folks, in legal talk for an appellate court, that's a full beat down.

00:05:16.520 Okay, we had a whole show scheduled today out at Amfest, but there happens to be a firestorm

00:05:22.560 up on Capitol Hill, and President Trump may be throwing a tad, a little bit of gasoline,

00:05:26.380 jet fuel on top of it.

00:05:27.580 So what we're going to do, and we've got Brian Glenn here, Natalie Winters, keeping us

00:05:32.040 total to speed, Grace Chung, people in Washington, D.C.

00:05:35.740 Brian's actually our Capitol Hill correspondent, real murder, with us out here today.

00:05:40.160 We've got a lot going on.

00:05:41.340 We're going to try to get some folks in here live, but we must cover this, I don't know,

00:05:46.520 the CR, former CR.

00:05:48.300 I think right now we're hurtling towards a government shutdown, which, hey, we kind of

00:05:52.880 support it.

00:05:53.260 We've gotten great things out of government shutdowns.

00:05:54.860 Let's go and play the cold open we've got, and we'll be back here in about three or four

00:06:00.240 minutes.

00:06:00.520 We're going to play cold open.

00:06:01.340 We've actually addressed some of their concerns with the existing framework, and I want to

00:06:07.200 share a little bit of what we heard from them.

00:06:08.780 Watch this.

00:06:10.740 Look, the American people don't send their representatives to Washington to vote on a

00:06:14.660 1,500-page bill in less than 24 hours that spends $110 billion.

00:06:20.380 More regulation.

00:06:21.280 I mean, just wasteful spending.

00:06:22.480 No pay-pours, right?

00:06:24.320 It makes no sense.

00:06:25.440 This is, you know, we won the election.

00:06:27.920 This has got to change.

00:06:29.340 And guess what was hidden in there?

00:06:31.380 And I'm still livid about this.

00:06:32.700 Pay raises for us.

00:06:34.480 How does that square?

00:06:35.700 What return on investment have we given the people of America other than $37 trillion in

00:06:40.140 debt?

00:06:41.300 OK, between that and the finger pointing on who's going to own the shutdown, what actually

00:06:45.940 happens next?

00:06:47.180 Well, what happens next is that Donald Trump controls the narrative.

00:06:50.940 He's done that already, and we were talking earlier.

00:06:53.480 I'm amazed that he's not in office yet, and he looks like he's running things.

00:06:59.340 And trying to own the narrative on Biden's watch, as you argued.

00:07:03.820 And I'm like, wait, who's president right now?

00:07:06.440 Shouldn't we be having a, shouldn't we be talking, shouldn't somebody else be talking

00:07:09.820 right now?

00:07:10.500 Despite having the stamp of approval from congressional leadership, Trump and Vice President-elect

00:07:15.340 J.D. Vance put out a joint statement condemning the bill, also demanding the legislation include

00:07:20.800 a debt ceiling increase, writing, increasing the debt ceiling is not great, but we'd rather

00:07:26.500 do it on Biden's watch.

00:07:28.060 And we should pass a streamlined spending bill that does not give Chuck Schumer and the Democrats

00:07:32.480 everything they want.

00:07:33.780 That came after Musk spent hours, literally hours yesterday, criticizing the sprawling bill

00:07:39.440 on social media, posting about it more than 100 times throughout the day.

00:07:44.200 The president-elect also threatened to support a primary opponent to any Republican who went

00:07:49.960 against his wishes on this, and we can assume on other things as well.

00:07:54.440 Several sources tell NBC News House Speaker Mike Johnson's team is now looking at a clean,

00:07:59.800 short-term bill that continues federal funding at current levels and also could include disaster

00:08:05.100 relief funding and an extension of the farm bill.

00:08:08.020 The White House released a statement reading, in part, triggering a damaging government shutdown

00:08:12.680 would hurt families who are gathering to meet with their loved ones and endanger the basic

00:08:16.560 services Americans, from veterans to Social Security recipients, rely on.

00:08:21.240 A deal is a deal.

00:08:22.980 Republicans should keep their word.

00:08:24.880 We're all watching the dumpster catch fire once again, but somehow the flames seem even more

00:08:31.120 spectacular and brighter and hotter than they were before.

00:08:34.800 Donald Trump is presumed to have a mandate, is presumed to be able to control the Republican

00:08:39.560 conference and have them do his bidding.

00:08:42.600 Tonight, it seems like there are going to be problems along the way.

00:08:46.200 What are you making of what we're seeing unfold on the Hill right now?

00:08:49.540 Well, I'd say a couple things.

00:08:50.300 First, this is a preview of what government is going to look like under Donald Trump starting

00:08:54.860 January 20th of 2025.

00:08:56.960 Pure chaos, government by tweet, shadow President Elon Musk with no knowledge of what he's talking

00:09:02.620 about just firing off a tweet and then upending a bipartisan deal. 0.95

00:09:08.600 It's pure chaos out there.

00:09:11.500 And so that's one.

00:09:12.840 Two, I think Donald Trump is trying to do something that seems almost quasi-strategic here, which

00:09:18.340 is to get the debt ceiling raised.

00:09:21.220 No Democrat should vote for a debt ceiling increase on Joe Biden's watch.

00:09:25.040 As Congresswoman Crockett pointed out, Republicans have the House, the Senate and the White House 0.88

00:09:31.080 coming up, and therefore, this is their job to do and they should do it next year.

00:09:35.560 It's a colossal mess, Willie.

00:09:37.200 This bill looked all set to pass the House and the Senate over the coming days.

00:09:41.420 It had broad bipartisan support after it was inked by Speaker Mike Johnson, Senate Majority

00:09:46.340 Leader Chuck Schumer, and leadership in both parties.

00:09:48.540 That's a classic, the kind of bill in divided government that neither party really likes.

00:09:52.300 But it had real victories for each side.

00:09:54.900 But this all changed yesterday, very, very much out of the blue.

00:09:58.860 When some House Republicans started to raise issues, it was a normal griping session until

00:10:02.600 Elon Musk started tweeting up a storm about it, which encouraged those House Republicans

00:10:06.740 that fueled that conversation.

00:10:08.720 And then before you know it, Trump came out attacking the bill, and that's when it unraveled.

00:10:13.480 Now, there is a midnight deadline tomorrow to keep the government funded or face a shutdown.

00:10:17.500 There's no plan right now.

00:10:18.700 There's no bill, let alone, you know, that can get the support of the House of Representatives

00:10:23.940 and the Senate and get signed into law by President Biden.

00:10:26.460 These are uncharted waters at this point, having a deal blown up so quickly, so close

00:10:31.460 to the deadline on something of this magnitude.

00:10:33.980 All of this comes back to the fact that Donald Trump is very responsive and has always been

00:10:38.700 responsive to what his base is mad about, right?

00:10:41.340 And so the Republican Party has spent a lot of time inculcating this sense of anger about

00:10:45.600 the debt limit, they have suggested that this means that, you know, debt's going to get

00:10:48.980 out of control.

00:10:49.340 You know, we've hatched over these arguments a thousand times.

00:10:51.940 So Donald Trump has long been responsive to his base being mad about stuff.

00:10:55.980 And we're seeing that broadly with the spending bill, but we're also seeing that very specifically

00:11:00.820 with what you just said.

00:11:01.780 He doesn't want to have to be the guy that does this because he understands this is something

00:11:05.620 that people get mad about.

00:11:06.420 And even though he's won re-election, even though he, according to the Constitution,

00:11:10.160 cannot run for president again and does not have to go before voters again, he still wants

00:11:14.220 that approval.

00:11:14.840 He still wants to be on the side of the people who are fighting against government.

00:11:17.900 And this is how it manifests.

00:11:20.700 What do you mean he can't run for president again?

00:11:22.460 Who says that?

00:11:24.360 Trump 2028.

00:11:26.000 Come on. 0.86

00:11:27.280 That's a weapons-grade troll right there. 0.95

00:11:29.400 Okay. 0.97

00:11:29.760 I hope the war room posse, I hope you're grinding your teeth right now. 0.87

00:11:34.520 I wanted to have that cold open just to make sure your head's blew up.

00:11:37.520 We're here live on Capitol Hill.

00:11:40.820 How do I say it?

00:11:41.580 Brian Glenn's going to join me at the bottom of the – in the next block.

00:11:45.960 Natalie Winters has got a lot to report on the whole Liz Cheney situation and everything

00:11:50.200 that's going on with the January 6th committee, including President Trump says they should

00:11:55.300 be criminally indicted.

00:11:56.300 I think Loudermilk sent over a criminal referral to the FBI.

00:11:59.320 But we have to deal with what's going on at Capitol Hill.

00:12:01.940 So, as you know, yesterday we saw this CR.

00:12:05.900 And here's the question.

00:12:06.860 This is about process.

00:12:08.400 We need to have these as what the British used to call a close-run thing.

00:12:13.380 And what I mean by that is we've talked, you know, over the last couple of months, you

00:12:17.540 have the Doge guys who really are advisors or consultants to Russ Vogt and the team at

00:12:23.060 OMB, right?

00:12:24.280 You have to put that plan in there.

00:12:25.440 You've got the appropriations process.

00:12:26.880 We needed to take the CR and just kind of kick it into next year and to pass January

00:12:33.760 20th, maybe to March to give President Trump and his team some time to get their arms around

00:12:37.960 this.

00:12:38.400 We understand.

00:12:40.380 You guys are with us 1,000 percent that we hate any type of CRs.

00:12:44.100 It's just usually a cop-out.

00:12:45.220 In fact, I'm so proud of Natalie Winters and Grace Chong that led the effort while I was

00:12:51.500 in at Danbury in the federal prison there, led the effort back in the, I think it was

00:12:56.040 in September when you came up at the end of the fiscal year to say, hey, look, you know,

00:13:00.980 we don't care if you're putting some qualification in there about illegal alien voting.

00:13:06.260 That's just performative.

00:13:07.460 And right now we're hard-line, no CR.

00:13:09.900 The issue is President Trump's got to get some runway here.

00:13:12.660 The issue is about what's in there.

00:13:15.980 Now, the war on posse, hey, if it shuts down, it shuts down.

00:13:19.520 We've always had wins coming out of government shutdowns.

00:13:22.340 We're not worried about a government shutdown, but you have to lay out the narrative framework

00:13:27.680 for that.

00:13:28.800 The issue right now with Speaker Johnson is they're up there, you know, people are coming

00:13:32.820 in and out of his office.

00:13:34.960 They're trying to figure it out.

00:13:35.900 Hey, just give us a two-liner.

00:13:37.380 Give us a two-liner and let's figure it out.

00:13:40.120 Let's figure it out after President Trump takes charge or just let's shut down naturally

00:13:44.380 and President Trump will take charge of it on the afternoon of January 20th.

00:13:48.780 The issue with the debt ceiling, Hakeem Jeffries has just come out on the new alternative for

00:13:53.380 Twitter.

00:13:54.140 I think it's called Blue Sky or something, some left-wing Twitter feed.

00:13:58.640 He said no Democrats are going to vote for a debt ceiling increase.

00:14:02.260 So everybody's going to get jammed up on that.

00:14:05.020 We've got a lot to break down, a lot to discuss, including the capital markets.

00:14:08.560 What does the bond market say about this?

00:14:11.180 Folks, I don't want to say I was giving you signal, not noise on Sunday night at the New

00:14:17.020 York Young Republic Club, but the centerpiece of my speech was exactly about this, is that

00:14:21.980 President Trump's term in office, the second term, maybe before a third term, but the second

00:14:28.100 term is going to be defined about his economic plan and how the global capital markets respond

00:14:33.500 to it.

00:14:34.640 They've already turfed out the government in the United Kingdom.

00:14:37.200 They've turfed out the government in France.

00:14:38.900 They've turfed out the government in Germany.

00:14:40.700 They're about to turf out, they've turfed out two-thirds of the government in Canada.

00:14:45.060 They kind of turfed out Joe Biden.

00:14:47.680 That's where inflation came from.

00:14:49.580 Short commercial break.

00:14:50.560 We're going to make it all make sense.

00:14:53.620 Next, live from Phoenix in the War Room.

00:14:55.760 Big victory on 5 November.

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00:16:19.340 Okay.

00:16:20.720 Here's your host, Stephen K.

00:16:22.780 Bannon.

00:16:26.720 Okay.

00:16:27.380 Our Capitol Hill correspondent, Brian Glenn, is right next to me.

00:16:31.300 Brian Glenn, why are you right next to me at AmFest?

00:16:33.800 One day, the Capitol, we asked Brian to come out to do interviews and to give us insight.

00:16:38.820 And, of course, because the CR was supposed to be passed, it was going to be, the vote was

00:16:42.700 scheduled for this morning, I think, at 9 to 10 o'clock.

00:16:45.560 And then people were getting out of town for the Christmas holidays.

00:16:47.760 Well, they might be staying over the holidays.

00:16:51.280 Talk to us.

00:16:51.680 What are you hearing right now?

00:16:52.560 I hear the Speaker's office is a fiasco.

00:16:55.060 And this is not acceptable.

00:16:56.740 This is, the Speaker owed it to the President to have some sort of order.

00:17:01.460 And, number one, here's what you need to do.

00:17:03.920 You've got to read people in.

00:17:05.980 Look, as the Warren Posse understands, and our audience understands, because you're more

00:17:11.400 up to speed than anybody.

00:17:12.960 The complexity of what we have to do to sort this mess out that President Trump was dumped

00:17:17.840 on him.

00:17:18.460 And remember, it's the three lines of work.

00:17:20.100 It's, number one, it's the kinetic part of the Third World War, right?

00:17:23.260 He's got to deal with Ukraine.

00:17:24.480 He's got to deal with the Middle East. 0.99

00:17:25.640 Now Syria is collapsing. 0.70

00:17:27.180 We have an invasion of the southern border.

00:17:29.340 And what is Axios' report last night?

00:17:31.920 The Senate, these worms in the Senate are trying to cut, they're trying to cut their own border

00:17:36.060 deal, the Senate, which includes DACA and the Dreamers and all of it, behind President 0.96

00:17:41.120 Trump's back.

00:17:42.100 So he's got the whole deportations to deal with.

00:17:44.680 But, as I said on Sunday night in New York, the main thing, the main event now is he's

00:17:50.040 got to get the economic and financial house in order.

00:17:52.620 Because you just look around the world and you see these governments falling, and they're

00:17:56.700 falling because of two things.

00:17:58.060 Number one, they can't support the debt they have.

00:18:00.600 Or, in trying to cut the deficits, trying to cut the deficits, their plans are really,

00:18:06.320 they're laying it off on working class and middle class people, and people are just rejecting

00:18:09.740 that out of hand.

00:18:10.840 France has fallen.

00:18:11.920 Germany has fallen.

00:18:13.000 The United Kingdom, with Truss and Richie Sunak, essentially fell.

00:18:17.200 The Labor Party right now is in a free fall because of the exact same thing.

00:18:20.600 They've got the largest majority, I think, in the history of the United Kingdom.

00:18:25.160 Trudeau's government's about to fall.

00:18:26.720 The finance minister quit.

00:18:28.320 And here at Capitol Hill, you have the same thing.

00:18:30.740 And so, Speaker Johnson owed it to everybody.

00:18:35.060 Think of what happened.

00:18:36.020 Johnson went to UFC.

00:18:37.680 He's on the plane all the time.

00:18:39.080 He's at the UFC fight.

00:18:40.560 He's at the football game, Army-Navy.

00:18:43.280 He's browing out with Vivek and with Elon.

00:18:50.960 He's at the cool kids.

00:18:51.920 There's little nerds at the cool kids' table.

00:18:53.860 He's hanging with the president.

00:18:55.600 None of them were read in.

00:18:57.740 He didn't read in the fact that we thought this was a two-line and add a third line for

00:19:01.760 $10 billion for the farmers, add a fourth line for some immediate relief for the folks in

00:19:06.560 North Carolina and in Central Florida from the hurricane.

00:19:09.520 And what does he do?

00:19:10.020 1,500 pages that's quite obvious, as Natalie Winters and others have brought out, that Hakeem Jeffries either was negotiated with Hakeem Jeffries or Hakeem Jeffries just had two-thirds of the package.

00:19:20.420 Always remember, when we talk about the CRs and one of the reasons that the Warren Posse hates them is that this would just lock in the spending of kind of what's gone before.

00:19:31.780 Right?

00:19:32.000 So it was going to be essentially $500 billion, a half a trillion dollars for those 90 days anyway.

00:19:39.000 You're layering on top another $200 or $300 billion.

00:19:42.120 So all of a sudden, guess what?

00:19:43.840 Every 100 days is a trillion dollars.

00:19:46.120 This is what Johnson did.

00:19:47.400 And it's not just the act itself, it's the communications and understanding what President Trump is up against that are tightly coordinated.

00:19:55.380 So, Brian Glenn, tell us what you're – you've got some great sources on the Hill.

00:19:59.000 It's a fiasco up there right now.

00:20:01.220 Hey, there's worse things in the world than government shutting down, right, brother?

00:20:04.540 You know, if you listen to the base, Steve, the base could care less if this tyrannical government stays funded.

00:20:11.200 We shut it down until President Trump comes into office and he can take over from there.

00:20:15.120 I'm so glad you brought up Speaker Johnson and all the bro moments that we saw on the plane at the game.

00:20:21.060 We all thought he's going to be – we're all going to be on the same page here.

00:20:24.160 We're all going to be walking lockstep because the American people did deliver a mandate with this election.

00:20:30.840 But what we've seen is Speaker Johnson go back to the swampy deals of what we've been fighting and you and the war room posse for years.

00:20:38.360 The swamp is the swamp and we've got to make some very hard, tough decisions on this.

00:20:44.680 And to be honest with you, I'm not sure we're there.

00:20:47.160 I think we have – I don't think we have a deal.

00:20:49.240 I don't think we have a vote.

00:20:50.500 I think the government shuts down on Friday.

00:20:52.040 That's just my opinion.

00:20:53.100 So, in Johnson's office right now, there's obviously a lot of panic.

00:20:59.720 They're there.

00:21:00.240 They're trying to see what President Trump supports.

00:21:01.680 But President Trump has thrown a bomb into the mix with the debt ceiling.

00:21:07.840 I just want to remind people, folks down at Palm Beach, McCarthy is the first Speaker of the House ever to be turfed out because he gave Biden a two-year no-cap deal.

00:21:18.860 Now, President Trump's going to need some runway, but I think this has got to be kind of thought through.

00:21:23.340 Maybe we tighten it up here.

00:21:25.080 Hakeem Jeffries has already come just to jam us up and said no Democrats will vote at all for any increase in the debt ceiling.

00:21:31.120 Because they're trying to – they're showing their hands right now.

00:21:33.700 So, I think we've got a lot to do.

00:21:36.280 This is what Johnson and the team around him – and to be brutally frank about it, it's just not – he's just not up to the task.

00:21:41.780 He's not up to the moment.

00:21:42.380 He's not.

00:21:42.760 He's –

00:21:43.140 So, what are you hearing from your sources of members on Capitol Hill?

00:21:46.340 What's the word out there?

00:21:47.620 Massey's already come out and said – remember, Johnson can only lose three votes, I think, for the Speakership on January 3rd.

00:21:54.260 Massey's already out.

00:21:55.220 I think Eli Crane and Gosar and some of the other – Arizona contingent are showing some leg on that – they're not there.

00:22:03.400 What are you hearing?

00:22:04.080 Same.

00:22:04.840 The same.

00:22:05.280 I think Speaker Johnson going into this, if he would have – if they would have done something yesterday, Steve,

00:22:10.680 it would have voted before Trump spoke out.

00:22:13.700 Because when Trump spoke out, that sends shockwaves, as you know.

00:22:16.700 Yes.

00:22:17.060 When he lays down his opinion on something, it is a political suicide.

00:22:21.560 When he comes out, it's like a papal bull, right?

00:22:24.280 You should basically focus on it.

00:22:26.420 And it's political suicide to go against it, in my opinion.

00:22:29.140 Yes.

00:22:29.240 And Elon Musk coming out and saying that he would primary any Republican that's going to vote for this.

00:22:34.260 Look, the American people, they don't care.

00:22:36.340 They shut the government down.

00:22:37.360 They don't care.

00:22:38.160 I'm trying to find out how many people in the House agree with that, though.

00:22:42.680 How many people are willing –

00:22:43.440 Agree with what?

00:22:44.280 Shunning it down.

00:22:45.400 No, I'm sure most of the moderate Republicans and the Main Street Republicans, they don't want to do that.

00:22:49.520 They're always totally panicked, right?

00:22:50.700 It's always the House Freedom Caucus and the more war room posse, war room adjacent members who don't have a problem with it.

00:22:58.600 Let's hang on one second.

00:22:59.560 Natalie, we have Jeff Clark on the phone.

00:23:01.820 Okay, Jeff Clark is going to join us on the phone.

00:23:04.040 We've got tons of stuff going on here.

00:23:06.960 We're juggling and want to talk about Atlanta.

00:23:09.440 Jeff Clark, make it make sense to us.

00:23:12.560 This is something we've argued here at the War Room for a couple of years about Fonnie Willis.

00:23:16.780 Tell us what the appellate court down there just – is it as big a beatdown as it sounded like when Natalie read from their own papers?

00:23:27.200 I think so, Steve, and thanks for having me on.

00:23:30.020 I mean, this is tremendous news.

00:23:31.440 And for those of us like me who are a criminal defendant in the Fonnie Willis case, as ridiculous as the entire case is, it's a good Christmas present, great Christmas present for President Trump about a month before he takes the oath of office.

00:23:46.620 Look, she clearly had a conflict of interest here. 0.99

00:23:49.120 She hired her own boyfriend at an elevated rate of pay that he did not deserve to have to be one of the special prosecutors in the case for her.

00:24:01.280 And then he proceeded to take her on lavish trips to the Napa Valley, to the Caribbean, you name it.

00:24:11.120 He took her around cruises and the like.

00:24:13.540 And she realized that she got caught with her hand in the cookie jar, and so then she ridiculously went and testified to the court when this issue was brought forward and said, oh, there's no problem.

00:24:27.260 There's no conflict of interest because I just paid him back in cash.

00:24:31.260 Magically, she has no receipts.

00:24:32.980 She has a ridiculous story that she was always taught to have thousands and thousands of dollars of cash on hand. 0.99

00:24:38.980 And if you look at her economic fortunes, it's really hard to understand how that could be true.

00:24:44.860 And if it is true, then she's got problems in terms of where's this money coming from.

00:24:48.800 So the judge, the trial judge in the case, Scott McAfee, he had decided that there was an appearance of a conflict,

00:24:57.480 but that both Fannie Willis and Nathan Wade, her boyfriend, who was the special prosecutor who had never prosecuted a criminal case before,

00:25:07.400 and certainly not one of the complexity that she brought here, I think others drafted it for her, and she put it forward,

00:25:14.380 that both of them did not have to go off the case.

00:25:17.900 Just one of them had to take themselves off the case.

00:25:20.400 And, of course, since she's the elected official, a constitutional official actually under the Georgia Constitution,

00:25:27.400 of course it's obvious that she would not be the one to go.

00:25:30.760 It would be her underling, her boyfriend, Nathan Wade.

00:25:33.420 So he took himself off the case.

00:25:35.700 And then nine of us, including President Trump and me and several others, took an appeal up to the Court of Appeals.

00:25:42.380 Today the Court of Appeals ruled.

00:25:43.920 And they decided that there was an appearance of a conflict of interest for Fannie Willis as well.

00:25:51.100 And so even though it's rare that an appearance of a conflict would require disqualifying a district attorney,

00:25:58.100 that the only way the public could keep confidence in this case would be if she were disqualified. 0.73

00:26:05.520 So they ordered her off the case, which is a stunning turn of fate for her and slap in the face.

00:26:11.680 You know, they were vetting her all over Washington and all over the country.

00:26:16.060 She was speaking, giving awards.

00:26:18.380 And now it's been shown that she's assailing the ethics of, you know, many federal officials like Mark Meadows and Donald J. Trump and myself

00:26:28.260 and the alternate electors in Georgia.

00:26:30.920 But she's the one with the serious ethics problem, Steve.

00:26:35.460 Yeah.

00:26:35.960 When you say off the case, her entire office is off the case, correct?

00:26:39.880 Is it just her personally or is it the entire office?

00:26:42.900 Because that's the way ethics law works, Steve.

00:26:46.460 If you're at the top of a pyramid of, you know, some kind of government body of lawyers,

00:26:51.660 then you're essentially thrown off or you're held to have a conflict, that conflict imputes downward to everybody.

00:26:59.720 It's a similar kind of thing even with private practice, right?

00:27:02.660 If there's a partner in a firm and that partner has a conflict of interest, unless you can kind of wall them off,

00:27:08.660 their conflict is imputed to their partner.

00:27:11.040 So she's – the whole office is gone.

00:27:13.980 And what would happen now under Georgia law, strange system, there's a prosecutor's counsel. 0.82

00:27:19.480 And the prosecutor's counsel will have to decide which new district attorney to assign this case to.

00:27:26.400 And that could take a very long time.

00:27:28.520 I think that this decision sounds the death knell of this case, knock on wood.

00:27:33.500 But they did not go so far as to dismiss the case entirely.

00:27:40.140 But could the attorney general of the state of Georgia step in?

00:27:44.020 And I tell you what, Jeff, just hang on for one second.

00:27:45.860 We'll take a short break.

00:27:47.180 We've got breaking news on Norm Eisen and Liz Cheney.

00:27:51.200 We're going to get to that.

00:27:51.960 Of course, there's a firestorm on Capitol Hill.

00:27:54.180 Well, we happen to be here at AmFest today with a kickoff of AmFest in 2024 to wrap the year up.

00:28:01.460 Charlie Kirkman.

00:28:02.380 Okay, short commercial break.

00:28:03.340 We're going to be back in the war room.

00:28:04.480 Birchgold.com with the debt ceiling and the bond market and all of it.

00:28:09.700 Maybe it's time to go talk to Philip Patrick and the team.

00:28:12.280 Or text Bannon at 989898.

00:28:14.540 Get all the free information back in the war room in a moment.

00:28:18.060 I want to warn you of a huge change that could be coming to our money and our bank accounts.

00:28:25.280 First, think back to 9-11, shortly after the government pushed through the Patriot Act.

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00:28:38.140 Now, Jim Rickards, editor of the independent financial newsletter Strategic Intelligence

00:28:42.600 and New York Times bestselling author, is warning about a coming event

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00:29:38.900 Here's your host, Stephen K. Mann.

00:29:44.560 Okay, we're live at AmFest.

00:29:46.140 We had a whole kind of series show we were going to do here live.

00:29:49.920 War and Posse starting to come in as the security's checking people through.

00:29:54.100 We're going to be live.

00:29:55.060 We're going to be in the audience talking to the Posse and to the cadre

00:29:57.960 of what they're thinking is the huge year they've had and this great comeback.

00:30:02.740 But there's a lot of things going on.

00:30:04.000 Number one, there is a major meltdown on Capitol Hill.

00:30:08.060 Of course, the War Room is like, hey, shut it down.

00:30:11.720 You know, President Trump will be there on the 20th and he'll figure it out.

00:30:15.380 Of course, President Trump has added a little bit of drama by talking about the debt ceiling.

00:30:21.040 And that's a whole thing in and of itself, as folks know.

00:30:24.220 It's the reason Kevin McCarthy is on the beach right now, right, enjoying an early retirement.

00:30:29.100 We'll get on to that because Capitol Hill is kind of where the action is.

00:30:31.980 But there's also action in Atlanta, Georgia.

00:30:34.120 I've got Jeff Clark is with me.

00:30:36.600 Jeff, I just want to make sure I understand this.

00:30:40.180 The reason she was removed is because of her incompetence and the way she handled herself 1.00

00:30:46.880 and comported herself and not really having a prosecutor on top of a boyfriend. 0.98

00:30:51.840 Or is it because of the money and where the money went?

00:30:54.220 Because I remember our audience, we covered live with, I think, McAfee's courtroom

00:30:59.660 and Fannie Willis' testimony and talking about the $10,000 her dad had always told her to keep cash at hand.

00:31:07.340 And, you know, being a Southerner, that's, you know, you're told that early on.

00:31:10.680 I don't know if it's $10,000, but always keep cash, maybe a little gold in the backyard

00:31:14.400 and a couple of working guns in case things go sideways.

00:31:21.600 So is it because of the case in this over-the-top charges she charged President Trump with?

00:31:28.300 Or is it because of her behavior in these other things about having a boyfriend there, the cash, all these trips?

00:31:34.440 Because the hearing, to me, kind of got off track.

00:31:38.320 It was very salacious.

00:31:39.240 And I just want to know if that's why they turfed her out, sir.

00:31:43.260 Well, Steve, I've not digested.

00:31:45.480 I think it's a 31-pager yet.

00:31:47.840 You know, I was kind of caught in transit to my office when this happened.

00:31:52.080 And then, you know, you guys have grabbed me to come on.

00:31:54.980 So I have looked at the bottom line.

00:31:57.120 So I'd have to come back to report on exactly what the rationale is.

00:32:01.160 But based on the legal principle that I see, it's got to be based primarily on this relationship

00:32:08.460 and the fact that there are all kinds of financial things going on that are not seemly for a prosecutor to have.

00:32:18.960 And the public, therefore, can't have confidence in her being an unbiased prosecutor. 0.62

00:32:23.280 And there are all kinds of reasons why she appeared to be an unbiased, not an unbiased prosecutor.

00:32:29.780 In other words, a biased prosecutor.

00:32:31.240 And, you know, they realized that Georgia was becoming the national laughingstock because of this case.

00:32:38.600 And they said that in order to maintain, you know, the public's confidence that they had to take her off of it.

00:32:45.840 That's, I think, the heart of it.

00:32:47.540 But I'm going to have to get into the details once I have the chance to read the 31 pages.

00:32:51.380 I tell you, Jeff, if you do that, and we're going to try to get Mike Davis, I'd love to come back and talk about this.

00:32:57.840 Because we've been, you know, obviously President Trump supporters have been outraged about this from the very beginning.

00:33:03.300 And people like yourselves and Mike Roman are running up huge legal fees, which is unacceptable.

00:33:09.000 And I think the big question, we're going to get into Liz Cheney and Norm Eisen and that crowd.

00:33:13.000 They're now asking for not just blanket pardons.

00:33:15.440 I think they're asking for amnesty, as Natalie's going to walk us through.

00:33:18.840 You know, the hunted are now going to become the hunters.

00:33:22.080 And I think people are particularly upset about how Georgia was handled.

00:33:25.940 Folks, you understand, still Arizona, the state we're in, I think Wisconsin.

00:33:29.520 I believe Mike Roman and folks just got arraigned a couple of days ago in Wisconsin.

00:33:34.740 Folks, this stuff is still going on.

00:33:36.540 And these people are still running up huge legal bills.

00:33:38.700 I mean, they're trying to put Clark in bankruptcy, Mike Roman in bankruptcy, Rudy in bankruptcy.

00:33:43.500 And this is lawfare.

00:33:45.640 And now it's coming our way.

00:33:46.480 So, Jeff, why don't you, if you get a chance to review it, as soon as you let us know, we'll get you back up.

00:33:52.220 How does that sound?

00:33:53.440 That's great.

00:33:54.020 Let me just say two quick things before I go, Steve, and to ask the War Room Posse's help and prayers.

00:33:59.620 First is, under the Georgia Constitution, the governor clearly has the power to send the AG into this case and to get rid of it.

00:34:06.680 It's a farce, and he should do that.

00:34:08.600 And the AG also had a power because Mark Meadows and I removed this case to inject himself into it.

00:34:15.460 And so far, the two of them, two high constitutional officials in Georgia, have tried to stay out of it.

00:34:20.920 But they've got to end this thing now, and I would call on them publicly to do so.

00:34:25.020 And the second thing is, coincidentally, as things would have it, today at 2 p.m., the D.C. bar prosecutor is getting his argument against me in front of the nine-member D.C. board on professional responsibility to try to strip me of my license.

00:34:41.460 And it's part of the entire lawfare strategy, as you've designed, as you've described.

00:34:46.840 And I would ask for the War Room Posse's prayers for my success in that proceeding, which, again, starts in D.C.

00:34:53.160 It'll be on YouTube at 2 p.m. today, Steve.

00:34:57.500 Hold on.

00:34:58.100 This will be live.

00:34:59.000 The proceeding will be on YouTube live at 2 p.m.?

00:35:02.440 That's correct, Steve.

00:35:03.400 Okay, so with Grace Chong, we will stream that here on all the War Room channels and maybe even have some commentary on that. 0.87

00:35:12.400 Also, Jeff, this is what I want you to tell me.

00:35:15.660 We will get Governor Kemp and the Attorney General's numbers up so the War of Posse can call and maybe give your thoughts this morning.

00:35:24.740 Since Capitol Hill's in meltdown, maybe we focus on Georgia and talk about the Georgia Attorney General stepping in the middle of this fiasco.

00:35:31.940 So this is what I said, you know, I don't know, a year or so ago when they had – when McAfee had the trial and finally was there.

00:35:41.140 I said this is a humiliation for the folks in Georgia.

00:35:44.240 Georgia's really kind of a global city.

00:35:46.140 It's got international businesses.

00:35:47.660 It held the Olympics.

00:35:49.540 You know, it's got the busiest airport and kind of point of contact in the United States.

00:35:54.540 This is a humiliation for the great folks in Georgia.

00:35:57.920 And now the appellate court – this thing's got to be brought to a conclusion because it's just you're embarrassing yourself. 0.98

00:36:02.800 She's an embarrassment. 1.00

00:36:04.160 The people around her are embarrassed. 0.97

00:36:05.600 And now the appellate court has said they're all off the case.

00:36:08.220 Jeff Clark, give your social media, Jeff, so we can finally day 2 p.m. Eastern Standard Time.

00:36:13.320 Jeff Clark will be this proceeding in D.C. Bar, another part of the law fair, to take one of the smartest guys we know in all legal and somebody that is being looked at, weighted, measured right now for a senior position in the Trump administration.

00:36:28.140 It's more outrage.

00:36:30.060 And by the way, that's all coming to an end in, what, 31 days.

00:36:33.100 But we have to go through it, Jeff.

00:36:35.280 So what's your social media?

00:36:37.660 Thanks, Steve.

00:36:38.240 My social media is JeffClarkUS on Getter and Accident, RealJeffClark on Truth Social.

00:36:44.320 And you can follow the work of the Center for Renewing America at americarenewing.com.

00:36:51.460 Jeff Clark, honored to have you on here.

00:36:53.460 Another great Russell Vogue, Mark Payaletta, the entire team over there at CRA.

00:36:58.400 Okay, Natalie's up, right, and shotgun again.

00:37:00.840 Let's go ahead.

00:37:02.180 Real quick, the number to call the governor of Georgia is 4.5.

00:37:04.780 It's 404-656-1776.

00:37:10.380 And that's Governor Kemp?

00:37:12.420 Brian Kemp.

00:37:12.840 Brian Kemp.

00:37:13.740 Give that number again, and I want to get it, if we can get it on the Chiron here at Denver shortly.

00:37:18.720 404-656-1776.

00:37:23.740 I had a lot more fun reading the other statement before that number.

00:37:28.500 So Warren Posse, if you take a couple of minutes, let's call Governor Kemp's office

00:37:32.480 and give them our unexpurgated opinion and say, look, this thing's got to be put to bed.

00:37:37.740 This is an embarrassment for the great state of Georgia. 0.99

00:37:40.260 It's time to move on from Fonny Willis and that group of clowns down there, embarrassing clowns. 0.99

00:37:45.640 I think clowns is too nice. 0.99

00:37:47.400 Yeah, I think clowns is too nice. 0.97

00:37:48.420 It's mean to clowns. 0.98

00:37:49.400 It's mean to clowns. 0.98

00:37:50.680 Clown posse. 0.95

00:37:52.820 Let's go ahead.

00:37:54.120 On this front, and I want to say, how do I say this?

00:37:58.680 Here's how I say it.

00:37:59.800 The Financial Times, I don't know if we have the photo.

00:38:02.140 So the Financial Times of London, my favorite paper.

00:38:05.480 I don't have my copy with me today.

00:38:07.200 Why is that?

00:38:07.780 I'm in Phoenix, and they don't actually print the physical copy of the Financial Times of London.

00:38:13.160 Phoenix, yo, if you want to be a world-class city and you're getting chips, you're growing,

00:38:18.520 Phoenix is fantastic.

00:38:20.060 You've got to print the FT.

00:38:21.060 So the FT today, and I think it's for the first time in their history, and they've been around quite a while,

00:38:27.600 named President Trump Man of the Year for the second time.

00:38:31.640 And what I'm told by, I think, editors of the FT is that they've never named anybody Man of the Year twice.

00:38:37.460 President Trump's got it.

00:38:38.860 We'll try to get it up and show you what to do.

00:38:40.840 But in there, I say, hey, look, part of the work that has to be done is to set things right on this lawfare

00:38:49.520 that was done over the last couple of years.

00:38:51.860 And you see with the Fannie Willis situation.

00:38:54.720 We're not doing it for ourselves.

00:38:56.880 We're doing it because it can never be allowed to happen again.

00:38:59.900 And if you don't stop it, it's going to continue and continue.

00:39:03.140 There it is right there, President Trump.

00:39:04.880 Look at that.

00:39:05.380 Isn't that magnificent?

00:39:06.500 Financial Times of London, President Donald J. Trump as the Man of the Year for the second time.

00:39:12.980 Just fantastic.

00:39:13.780 Now, in this, I say that, look, this is a logical progression.

00:39:18.960 He's got all this other stuff, the wars, the deportations, the border, the financial situation, the bond market, the economy.

00:39:25.720 He's got all this.

00:39:27.100 But in addition, we've got to not just deconstruct the administrative state.

00:39:30.620 There are going to be, with cash and other people, logical investigations, totally open, totally thing.

00:39:37.740 And some of the people around President Trump disagree with that.

00:39:40.600 They say, look, retribution will be his, you know, of the economy.

00:39:44.300 Of course, that's going to be it.

00:39:45.780 There's no question about that.

00:39:47.160 That's his main line of work.

00:39:49.980 But the principle, but also there's going to be some investigations.

00:39:53.500 It just have to be.

00:39:54.480 Norm Eisen is at less than three minutes and 30 seconds.

00:39:57.060 Let's go and play the Norm Eisen cold open, and we'll get Natalie on here. 1.00

00:40:00.880 Should President Biden, Norma, pardon Liz Cheney and other possible Trump targets before he leaves office on January 20th?

00:40:11.520 Well, part of the legal baselessness here is that Liz Cheney enjoys speech and debate protection under the Constitution. 0.92

00:40:20.960 She has legal protections.

00:40:22.560 Other members of Congress, prosecutors have different legal immunities.

00:40:26.400 But there should, in my view, be serious whiteout consideration of protective pardons. 0.53

00:40:33.320 I would call it amnesty.

00:40:34.980 It's happened a lot in American history.

00:40:37.360 Many presidents categorically saying we should have an amnesty for witnesses.

00:40:43.120 The Michael Cohens and the Cassidy Hutchins of Hutchinsons of the world, they are the most at risk.

00:40:52.280 I think we're back.

00:40:53.700 We're back live.

00:40:54.680 I'm checking up here.

00:40:55.460 Okay, tell me what just went down there, because we've heard about blanket preemptive pardons.

00:41:02.980 Norm Eisen's taking it up a level.

00:41:04.740 That's so last week.

00:41:05.720 So last week.

00:41:06.820 We've moved on to full-blown amnesty.

00:41:09.840 And like we were talking about yesterday, this isn't something that's just hidden in some brief or some document.

00:41:14.600 This is straight up being said on primetime CNN.

00:41:18.220 And to, I think, the point that you were making.

00:41:19.800 Is her mic working and going out everywhere?

00:41:22.100 It is?

00:41:22.540 Okay, fine.

00:41:23.200 It's a Norm Eisen special.

00:41:24.540 No, I want to go back to amnesty for a second, because we had this about Fauci in the crowd.

00:41:29.520 We've been down this road before.

00:41:30.800 Remember, it was the Atlantic.

00:41:32.140 The Atlantic.

00:41:33.200 Tell me, let's go back in time.

00:41:34.640 The first idea was about amnesty for what?

00:41:37.180 Well, I would even go back further to the gang of eight, the whole immigration reform. 0.85

00:41:41.000 Anytime you hear amnesty, it's always a sinister, monacious setting.

00:41:45.080 But I think it's gotten progressively worse.

00:41:46.920 Then, of course, you saw the calls for pandemic amnesty coming from the Atlantic.

00:41:51.020 What was it a few years ago that obviously caused, you know, furor and rage among our side?

00:41:55.180 But I think, in effect, that's not...

00:41:56.880 And they backed off.

00:41:58.560 But to some extent, they did get pandemic amnesty.

00:42:01.120 I don't see Anthony Fauci in prison, right?

00:42:03.100 Yes, yes, yes.

00:42:04.140 That is the next phase.

00:42:05.660 But you're correct.

00:42:07.440 And always when they're nervous about something, when they're nervous about what their actions have.

00:42:11.780 Because Fauci, as you know, all the issues that we have with Fauci, when they're really nervous, they ratchet up and say, I just don't need a pardon.

00:42:19.720 We need amnesty for everybody.

00:42:21.480 Well, I think it's the analytical framing of it, too.

00:42:23.840 Because when you couch it as amnesty as opposed to pardons, I think there's less of an implicit connotation of guilt, right?

00:42:30.380 They need amnesty because they were standing in the breach for their beloved democracy, right?

00:42:35.520 And I think it's worth noting, too, obviously, we're talking about what's going on at the Hill right now with all things, you know, CR and debt ceiling.

00:42:41.500 But right now, Senate Democrats are working to vote on judges, right?

00:42:44.500 They're not sleeping.

00:42:45.440 They're not stopping.

00:42:46.280 And we can get into it in the next break.

00:42:47.580 But Norm Eisen has huge glowing profile pieces from NBC News, The New York Times.

00:42:51.840 They're launching a whole entire network, not just to combat the lawfare vertical.

00:42:55.580 They want accountants, psychologists, PR and branding experts for people who are going to have their reputations, you know, tarred and feathered by this show by President Donald Trump.

00:43:03.760 So this is a full-scale operation.

00:43:05.780 Lawfare is part of it.

00:43:07.020 But I think it's also kinetic.

00:43:08.100 It's media.

00:43:08.680 It's psychological.

00:43:09.740 It's biological.

00:43:10.440 Look, no further than COVID.

00:43:12.100 Unbelievable.

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00:45:16.020 Listen, obviously turbulence is going to be ahead of us.

00:45:20.140 Word has it now there may be a conference this afternoon, a Republican conference up on Capitol Hill.

00:45:24.960 They're talking about potentially the floating idea of a two-year, maybe a two-year CR that includes up to, oh, excuse me, a two-year relief on debt ceiling and coupled with the farm, the $10 billion for the farm, maybe $100 billion for FEMA for the relief of the hurricane.

00:45:45.620 One or two other things, but it would be short and tight.

00:45:49.040 Don't know if that could pass, but they're talking about having a conference meeting and trying to run the flagpole.

00:45:53.260 They're running the numbers right now.

00:45:55.580 Also, Marjorie Taylor Greene's out with the idea of Elon Musk maybe being Speaker of the House.

00:46:02.080 I think we've got to check Constitution because he's second in line in succession for the presidency, and he's not a natural-born citizen.

00:46:10.680 Now, you don't need to be a natural-born citizen to be in the House or to be Speaker.

00:46:13.820 There's no requirement there, but I think the situation within the line of the president, we're going to check it all out.

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00:47:26.800 Okay, we've got more update on Norm Eisen and Amnesty.

00:47:30.060 They are absolutely petrified about having the J6 committees.

00:47:34.520 Benny Thompson's on TV asking for a blanket preemptive pardon.

00:47:39.060 You know, I was told by Adam Kinzinger that people who ask for pardons, they only ask when they're guilty, and he actually said that to Benny Thompson's face.

00:47:46.060 But I think you can sort of link how you're seeing them being the mainstream media Democrats' message on the CR with sort of their broader effort to, of course, smear Trump, smear MAGA as dictatorial, right, as an authoritarian, which, of course, plays into Norm Eisen's democracy playbook, the idea that to depose President Trump, you have to smear him as an autocrat.

00:48:03.920 Now, what do I mean by that?

00:48:04.960 If you remember, right, when we were deposing Kevin McCarthy, MSNBC every morning was hammering us for chaos, chaos, chaos, chaos, chaos.

00:48:12.800 If you watch MSNBC this morning, the framing that they're going with, it has a distinction and a difference.

00:48:19.280 They're singling out Elon and President Trump as being the two people who nuked the CR.

00:48:24.420 Yes.

00:48:25.100 When in reality, it was our audience.

00:48:26.620 We'll take a round of applause for that.

00:48:27.940 Yes.

00:48:28.240 But why are they doing that?

00:48:29.380 Because when they walk around with their narratives, right, that President Trump has power to nuke this bill, President Trump has power to, he has that power because he derives it from the vote, the mandate, the will of the American people, right?

00:48:40.320 So they purposely try to draw that distinction and draw that line to sort of, I think, neuter and nullify his authorities that they can actually impeach him.

00:48:47.940 So then when you see the other side of the coin, like we were talking last night, late breaking on Axios that Senate Democrats and Republicans are already working on, another B word we don't like, a bipartisan border deal.

00:48:58.180 That's always a bad sign.

00:49:00.120 But I think it's the same analytical framing, much like the amnesty, much like the retribution, even, frankly, with the way they framed the trade war with China, right?

00:49:07.480 We're not declaring a trade war on them.

00:49:09.380 They declared war on us.

00:49:10.680 Exactly, exactly.

00:49:11.000 It's all about the framing of it.

00:49:12.340 So now there's a new story up in NBC.

00:49:15.120 There was a New York Times profile on Norm Eisen yesterday talking about how he's already filed 16 FOIA requests against Doge.

00:49:22.120 I think that might be sort of a fool's errand, but I digress.

00:49:24.340 But this story was anti-Trump forces build a network to aid potential political targets of the incoming administration.

00:49:32.080 Anti-Trump forces.

00:49:33.280 Lawyers and pro-democracy advocates are in the early stages of building a nationwide network of specialists aimed at defending and protecting people who may be targeted for retribution once President-elect Donald Trump takes office.

00:49:45.080 It says it goes way beyond legal assistance.

00:49:48.020 Like I said, psychologists, accountants, public relations professionals.

00:49:52.900 Wow.

00:49:54.320 Sigh up.

00:49:55.160 Yeah.

00:49:55.540 So that's my point.

00:49:56.520 And it all goes back.

00:49:57.360 I think it's really key how they're messaging on the CR.

00:50:00.440 President Trump can nuke a bill because he won and because the American people support him.

00:50:04.660 And they're the ones making the calls.

00:50:05.900 But they have to sort of frame this whole thing as dictator Trump.

00:50:08.780 Exactly.

00:50:09.480 Any chaos really comes from, too, is from the speaker and not reading people in.

00:50:14.840 I mean, the key part here is that this has to be a close run thing, as the Brits say.

00:50:19.720 And that means everybody organized.

00:50:21.920 You've got Treasury.

00:50:22.680 You've got OMB.

00:50:24.040 Doge as a consultants for OMB.

00:50:27.560 And we're talking about the appropriations process.

00:50:29.660 You've got 12 bills.

00:50:31.000 You have to let Doge in there to start making their cuts now.

00:50:33.160 You can't pass the appropriations.

00:50:35.160 You can't pass the budget for next year.

00:50:36.340 You have to then have Doge immediately come in and say, well, you've got a trillion dollars of waste for an abuse.

00:50:41.000 Excuse me.

00:50:41.540 That's absurd.

00:50:42.880 But you've also got the debt ceiling.

00:50:44.340 So there's a lot of things you're going to have to weave together.

00:50:46.240 That has to be closely coordinated.

00:50:49.500 To know that Speaker Johnson, particularly as he's growing out, he's up at the UFC fight.

00:50:55.940 He's on the plane to the Army-Navy game.

00:51:00.260 He's in the box for four hours with President Trump.

00:51:03.560 And my concern was he's going to try to talk him into one reconciliation bill because he's got the reconciliation.

00:51:09.700 And this is why we have to do the border reconciliation right out of the box.

00:51:13.460 It should be in the President's desk by the 20th because you see it leaked by Axios last night.

00:51:18.820 And they wanted it leaked.

00:51:20.200 The Senate moderates right now are going to give you another horrible compromised border bill when, hey, here's all we've got to do.

00:51:28.820 President Trump says 15 million are going home.

00:51:30.780 15 million are going home.

00:51:31.700 Now, we're going to start with the criminals.

00:51:34.100 You're going to start with that process.

00:51:35.680 But, you know, you don't need other cooks in the kitchen. 0.71

00:51:39.060 What you've got here with Johnson is, you know, Johnson's just not up to the task.

00:51:44.640 And the staff around him, anybody that thought it was good of what they were doing, anybody particularly thought it was good, they give a pay raise.

00:51:51.440 That pay raise from $173,000 to $243,000.

00:51:55.860 And I'm not saying they haven't had a COLA in a while, but now's not the time.

00:51:59.080 And if you're going to do that, you have to socialize that with the American people.

00:52:03.600 You can't play hide the football.

00:52:05.320 No mention of that.

00:52:06.060 It was buried in, like, I don't know, page 900 of a 1,500-page bill.

00:52:09.620 We need transparency.

00:52:11.120 We need an open and frank discussion.

00:52:13.120 And really bring the American people into this debate.

00:52:15.700 I can tell you one thing, the war room posse, not that they're just down for a fight, but they're down to make sure they back President Trump in this fight.

00:52:24.220 And that's what we've got to organize.

00:52:25.340 That's where we're here at AmFest.

00:52:27.080 Later today, Don Jr. is going to speak.

00:52:29.200 Tucker Carlson is going to speak.

00:52:30.240 You think Speaker Johnson is going to make his speech?

00:52:32.600 Speaker Johnson is supposed to be here, I think, on Saturday.

00:52:35.560 Was it Saturday?

00:52:36.440 Friday or Saturday?

00:52:37.340 We'll have to see.

00:52:37.960 I think he's going to be kind of tied up.

00:52:39.520 President's coming out, though.

00:52:40.480 I think President's speech now, it's either Saturday or Sunday.

00:52:43.320 I think it might be moving around a little bit.

00:52:44.540 But war room posse, people are starting to come in here as the gates open.

00:52:49.600 We're going to take a short commercial break.

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00:52:55.520 And the boyfriend.

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Bannon's War Room - December 19, 2024

Episode 4138： Fanni Willis Disqualified In Georgia; CR Fight Continues To Get Messy

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