Bannon's War Room - Episode 4152： WarRoom Boxing Day Special

00:00:00.000 This is the primal scream of a dying regime.

00:00:07.000 Pray for our enemies.

00:00:09.000 Because we're going medieval on these people.

00:00:12.000 I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.

00:00:17.000 The people have had a belly full of it.

00:00:19.000 I know you don't like hearing that.

00:00:20.000 I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that,

00:00:22.000 but you're not going to stop it.

00:00:23.000 It's going to happen.

00:00:24.000 And where do people like that go to share the big lie?

00:00:27.000 MAGA Media.

00:00:29.000 I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.

00:00:34.000 Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?

00:00:38.000 If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.

00:00:44.000 War Room.

00:00:45.000 Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.

00:00:48.000 Well, welcome to the War Room on a very special Boxing Day special.

00:01:03.000 Those of you who have followed the War Room and indeed the old Breitbart News Daily radio show know that it's somewhat of a tradition in the War Room that Stephen K. Bannon hands over the reins to me for Boxing Day, for the Boxing Day special.

00:01:17.000 Every year where we kind of do a round up of the year's events.

00:01:22.000 We explain a little bit what Boxing Day is, because I know that it is particularly a British tradition, but we're trying to kind of make it a thing again here in the United States.

00:01:32.000 So welcome to the War Room on this Thursday, the 26th of December, the year of our Lord, 2024.

00:01:39.000 I will do somewhat of an introduction for myself, for those of you, because I know this audience is growing every single day, every single week, every single month and, of course, every single year.

00:01:50.000 But for those who don't know me or might have kind of seen me but don't really know where I fit into this whole operation, my name is Raheem Kassam.

00:01:57.000 I am, of course, British.

00:01:59.000 You can probably hear from my accent.

00:02:01.000 I used to work for Nigel Farage, the now Reform Party leader in the United Kingdom.

00:02:06.000 I've worked for and with Stephen K. Bannon for far longer than I wish, quite frankly, and far longer than he wishes, I imagine, quite frankly.

00:02:16.000 I was the London editor of Breitbart.com for many years.

00:02:20.000 I'm now the editor-in-chief of TheNationalPulse.com, which I want to talk to you guys a little bit about over the course of this show as well,

00:02:28.000 as well as all of the other fantastic, new, right-leaning, truthful media sites and operations that are out there at the moment.

00:02:38.000 And, you know, I guess my role now in this broader movement has been, I think the New York Times referred to me as the ombudsman of the MAGA movement for quite some time.

00:02:50.000 Or perhaps I think maybe I referred to myself as that and they quoted me.

00:02:54.000 But that is kind of where we sit.

00:02:56.000 That is what The National Pulse does.

00:02:58.000 We are very much the first to a lot of stories that you hear about kind of two days, two weeks, sometimes two years down the line.

00:03:08.000 A couple of days ago on the show, Steve noted how I was in Ukraine in 2013 trying to wave the ring, the alarm bells and tell people, hey, you know, we face an existential crisis.

00:03:20.000 We face a hot war. There's a color revolution going on here.

00:03:24.000 And you can see that across the board with so many things.

00:03:28.000 So I was one of the co-founders of The War Room with Steve Bannon, with Jason Miller back when it was originally an audio only show before Real America's Voice came along and picked it up and did such a great job in distributing it and producing this televisual experience that you have.

00:03:45.000 But, yeah, Jason Miller, myself and Steve, we kind of went through all of the early impeachment detail.

00:03:52.000 We had members of Congress who would stop by and we operated it exactly like an actual political war room.

00:03:59.000 There were stacks of papers highlighted, which we were going through.

00:04:03.000 We had a team of great researchers at the time.

00:04:06.000 And, you know, we'd be in that office, we'd be in that war room from about from about seven o'clock in the morning through midnight most days throughout that impeachment process, going through deep diving all of the information, all of the data, cross-referencing the links.

00:04:21.000 You know, when they did that to President Donald Trump, they had just so much in terms of apparatus, staffing, money at their disposal.

00:04:33.000 And the counter narrative operation between the lawyers and kind of what we were doing externally with the war room was really a very, very tiny, tight knit group of people who just kind of came together and said, we believe this to be a complete and total lie.

00:04:48.000 We're going to go through these documents the same way that you guys are all the witness testimonies.

00:04:52.000 Those of you who followed along with impeachment, I mean, you will remember on a day to day basis just what an intensive labor process that was.

00:05:02.000 We'd never been through anything like that before.

00:05:04.000 It was a first for many of us going through that level of detail, that level of data, all these foreign names, all of the Ukrainian names, all of that would come up.

00:05:13.000 And honestly, not to take anything away from what the show does today, but that was kind of my favorite iteration of the show because we were just so heavily invested in the actual witness testimony and things.

00:05:27.000 That's where I live.

00:05:28.000 That's where the national pulse is.

00:05:29.000 That's what we do for a living.

00:05:30.000 We do for a living.

00:05:31.000 We actually get into the nitty gritty.

00:05:33.000 We get into the detail of things.

00:05:35.000 And it's my absolute favorite thing to do.

00:05:37.000 You can say the same about polling data.

00:05:39.000 We've been doing that for years upon years.

00:05:41.000 You can find me writing about this stuff back 10, 15 years ago, maybe about how the polling industry works, why you get certain levels of responses.

00:05:49.000 You know, when this and Seltzer thing came up in Iowa, it was so obviously immediately obvious to anybody who understands how to go through numbers like that and to go through detail like that, that it was complete fraud.

00:06:01.000 And it was a fraud, another fraud, another hoax being perpetuated, not just on the American public, by the way.

00:06:08.000 Remember how much the rest of the world has invested in who the president of the United States was.

00:06:13.000 So it was another hoax perpetuated on the world, on the global community, as they like to call it, in Washington, D.C.

00:06:21.000 And at the Hague and in Brussels and in the city of London, the global global community was being hoaxed yet again, as we were back in 2020, as we were during covid.

00:06:34.000 And isn't it funny, you know, when the when the when war room impeachment not even had wrapped up, but we had this we had this pandemic coming down the pipeline.

00:06:44.000 And again, this show was at the cutting edge when that information was coming out of Wuhan.

00:06:49.000 You know, people are sick. People are falling down in the street.

00:06:51.000 Nobody knows what this is. We put the two and two together on the first on the very first episode of war room pandemic.

00:06:58.000 We had Jack Posobiec. We had a bunch of others later on.

00:07:01.000 Amazing whistleblowers, doctors, some of us, some of them who are no longer even with us today, I'm afraid.

00:07:07.000 But just shows how kind of how far this all goes back and how invested people were in the truth telling process in all of that, that you had concurrently.

00:07:17.000 You had to have a war room impeachment in 2020 operation running parallel with a war room pandemic operation that kind of doubled the scope, doubled the research level of everything that was coming out of these offices.

00:07:31.000 And of course, real America's voice was there with us all along the way, helping us with that, you know, to get the real information out.

00:07:38.000 Hey, there's a lab that we might want to look into.

00:07:41.000 Hey, that lab actually may have been funded by the U.S. taxpayer.

00:07:46.000 Hey, they've got this deal with Anthony Fauci and Peter Daszak.

00:07:50.000 You know, it was Natalie Winters who first made the connection between Dr. Fauci and Peter Daszak back in the early days of war room pandemic.

00:08:01.000 And of course, everything you're seeing now today as a part of the investigations that are going to be taking place as a part of what Kash Patel is going to be doing inside the FBI.

00:08:12.000 All of that as a direct result, you can you can you can run the pattern right back down to that moment.

00:08:20.000 All right. That's the tail of the tape and everything that came out of this war room. 0.59

00:08:24.000 So I'm delighted to be here with you all today and bring you a show that is, you know, we I wouldn't say that it is the most intensive of shows in terms of the day to day news of the operation today.

00:08:36.000 But it is an intensive show when we think about where we go now over the next four years, how the next administration gets staffed up properly, accurately with with true believers,

00:08:48.000 with people that are willing to put their shoulders to the wheel on getting the right things done.

00:08:52.000 Because really, ladies and gentlemen, I know this audience especially probably doesn't need me to say it.

00:08:58.000 But, you know, you have four years, you really only have about 18 months where you really only have about 12 to 16 months really to hit the ground running to get what needs to be done in day one.

00:09:11.000 And week one, by the way, probably the most important parts of all of this.

00:09:14.000 And we're here kind of acting as the ombudsman for all of that.

00:09:18.000 You know, calling I think you say calling balls and strikes.

00:09:21.000 Right. Making sure that the people who have let down President Trump over the last four years, you know, I think of it as kind of the dark years, the wilderness years, the Mar-a-Lago years, whatever you want to call it.

00:09:33.000 But so many people, so many people.

00:09:37.000 And, you know, I say this not as a political talking point, but like we lost friendships, personal, long term friendships over that primary, over the GOP primary with all of these people who kind of toddled off into the DeSantis camp because there was a promise of a paycheck or a job or whatever it is.

00:09:58.000 Don't get me wrong. You know, Governor DeSantis has done a wonderful job governing in Florida.

00:10:03.000 I don't need to tell this audience that. And I certainly don't need to tell the people who lived in Florida throughout the pandemic, especially that.

00:10:08.000 Right. And then the fight that he's taken to the school boards on the transgenderism, on the on the books, these deviant books that they're trying to shove down a kid's throat. 0.58

00:10:17.000 But but what he did was he made a fundamental.

00:10:21.000 I know I'm jumping around here a lot, but that's that's kind of what I do.

00:10:24.000 It's kind of what my mind does.

00:10:25.000 So you're going to stick with me for the changes here to quote back to the future.

00:10:29.000 Um, DeSantis came along and he kind of acted like and his team around him acted like, OK, we need to find some way to marry the old GOP Bushy era.

00:10:42.000 Uh, Cheney.

00:10:45.000 Um, what's his name, Karl Rove with his little whiteboard and all that.

00:10:49.000 We need to marry them with the MAGA base and kind of what they ended up doing is trying to force it down the MAGA base's throats. 1.00

00:10:54.000 But this was the only way that they were going to win another election.

00:10:57.000 And they were telling us day in and day out, you're never going to win an election with Trump.

00:11:01.000 You're never going to get the electoral college victory, let alone a popular vote victory.

00:11:06.000 Right.

00:11:07.000 And I kind of looked at it at the time and I was like, listen, you guys are entitled to your views. 0.99

00:11:12.000 You're nuts, but you're entitled to your views. 0.96

00:11:14.000 I mean, there wasn't a single person in that camp, by the way, who I think of as a savvy political operator. 0.99

00:11:20.000 And I tell them that to their faces and I've told them that to their faces.

00:11:24.000 You know, some of our old friends jumped ship and went over there.

00:11:27.000 So it's been it's been a heck of a year.

00:11:29.000 It's been a heck of a last 18 months.

00:11:31.000 I know that so many of you out there know that as well.

00:11:35.000 I meet so many of you out there when I'm on the road.

00:11:39.000 You know, I'm not just I'm not just hold up on Capitol Hill and Washington, D.C. all the time, although I'm there far more than I wish I was, quite frankly.

00:11:48.000 But I've been there through the darkest through the wilderness years.

00:11:51.000 You know, there were only a handful of us of these people that you see on television and in podcasts and on social media who actually showed up at Mar-a-Lago when President Trump announced he was running again.

00:12:05.000 A lot of people hedge their bets. A lot of people didn't show up that day.

00:12:09.000 And by the way, we kind of got mocked for it.

00:12:11.000 You know, Olivia Nuzi, RIP to her career. 1.00

00:12:15.000 You know, Olivia Nuzi, who wanted to who wanted to get jiggy with RFK, you know, over text message.

00:12:22.000 She wrote this nasty piece saying, like, hey, you got you got Raheem Kassam, Seb Gorka and Bricksuit Man as the most recognizable faces at Mar-a-Lago during the announcement.

00:12:33.000 So perhaps it's not going all that well for President Trump. 0.92

00:12:35.000 I called her up and I said, hey, F you.

00:12:37.000 I'm sorry. I'm sorry to speak in such unglamorous terms on Boxing Day.

00:12:42.000 But I told her, you know, you you you are making fun of me for being one of the people who actually sees where this thing is going.

00:12:48.000 Mark my words. Watch where it goes.

00:12:51.000 Now, who knows where she is right now after she got unceremoniously defenestrated by her bosses over there at New Yorker. 1.00

00:13:00.000 But listen, some people get it and some people don't. Right.

00:13:03.000 Right. Some people understand the trajectory of history and some people don't.

00:13:08.000 And what you saw back then, what you saw during that primary campaign was it was again one of these things that we see all the time.

00:13:14.000 And we cannot allow it to happen in January. We cannot allow these people, these never Trumpers, these people who are ready to jump ship.

00:13:22.000 To go over into the White House or into the State Department or be on these landing teams.

00:13:28.000 I'm sorry. You made your bed. Now lie in it. You made your choice.

00:13:33.000 You can figure that out for yourselves. So over the course of this show, we're going to reflect on this last year.

00:13:39.000 I very much appreciate the beautiful music.

00:13:42.000 I'm afraid my words may not be so beautiful over the course of the next two hours.

00:13:46.000 But hey, we're not taking a break this Christmas.

00:13:49.000 We're spending this time to get all our ducks in a row, to get all our plans in place and to make sure that like there was in 2016.

00:13:58.000 You know, we went in there and you had all the staff go in there and you had three factions go in there. Right.

00:14:03.000 You had the family faction, you had the RNC faction and then you had the MAGA faction, right, the Bannon faction.

00:14:09.000 And everybody's kind of at each other's throats and some people didn't get what they want and some people got rolled and whatever.

00:14:15.000 We're here to make sure that that doesn't happen again.

00:14:17.000 Everybody has to be on the same page.

00:14:19.000 And that page that Donald J. Trump won a mandate from the American historic mandate from the American people.

00:14:24.000 And he must be allowed to execute on that mandate without anybody standing in his way, without anybody leaking to the press,

00:14:30.000 without anybody, any of these anonymous people or deep state holdovers.

00:14:35.000 It cannot be allowed to happen.

00:14:37.000 So we're going to have Will Upton on the show with us.

00:14:39.000 My political editor, Jack Montgomery as well.

00:14:42.000 My deputy editor, Chris Tomlinson at the National Pulse.

00:14:45.000 Also, we're going to walk you through all of these things.

00:14:47.000 Stick around. Stay tuned.

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00:14:52.000 We'll be right back.

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00:16:11.000 War Room.

00:16:12.000 Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.

00:16:21.000 Well, we've given Stephen K. Bannon the day off here.

00:16:25.000 It is Boxing Day, the 26th of December, the year of our Lord, 2024.

00:16:31.000 And we'll be getting into that and a lot of the 12 days of Christmas, which we tend to do every year at the National Pulse to remind people of the importance and what it means, what the Yuletide period actually means and why each separate day kind of has something spiritual associated, religious, very Christian iconography associated with it.

00:16:55.000 And, you know, how we need to think about those days, how we need to think about those moments.

00:17:00.000 Jack Montgomery will be on with us later on to unpack all of that, and he does just a magnificent job at it.

00:17:08.000 I want to say, while I have your attention, your undivided attention, there's nobody right now to come in over the top of me and say, hang on, hang on, hang on.

00:17:15.000 I want to say, while I have your undivided attention, you know, the last couple of weeks I've been on the road and that has been more and more of my life.

00:17:24.000 I always tell myself that I'm going to take a little step back, take it a little bit easier, you know, maybe just kind of take a secondary role, maybe write another book.

00:17:34.000 There's so much to be written about the last 10 or 12 years as well.

00:17:37.000 I've been in so many of the rooms that you wouldn't even believe, by the way, hearing some of the conversations, meeting some of the characters.

00:17:44.000 And so I want to do all that for history's sake, really, to get that down on paper and on the record.

00:17:51.000 And then I get dragged into something else.

00:17:54.000 And, you know, whether it was the New York Young Republican Gala, I mean, by the way, for those of you that don't know, Gala season, as they call it, in the political world, in the nonprofit world, is so much fun, but absolutely mind boggling as well.

00:18:09.000 You kind of just every night you're doing the same thing and you're seeing a lot of the same faces and you kind of, you know, going through the motions, doing all the networking.

00:18:16.000 What are you hearing?

00:18:17.000 What do you know?

00:18:18.000 What's the latest?

00:18:19.000 It's great.

00:18:20.000 It's obviously a great opportunity for people to come together.

00:18:22.000 There's nothing better, by the way, than FaceTime, than actual face to face human interaction.

00:18:29.000 And we too often we are talking down the line to each other like this.

00:18:33.000 Right.

00:18:34.000 We are FaceTiming on our phones rather than in person or Zooming or Skyping or telephone calls or text messages or DMs or whatever it is.

00:18:46.000 Right.

00:18:47.000 And you can you can't really I don't think you can ever escape, you know, just how important it is to shake hands with somebody, to look them in the eye, to pat them on the shoulder, you know, to be present in a moment.

00:19:04.000 With somebody.

00:19:05.000 And so these things are great for all of that.

00:19:07.000 But, man, are they exhausting?

00:19:09.000 You know, and they happen all around the country.

00:19:12.000 So we start I started in D.C.

00:19:13.000 We did a couple of things over there.

00:19:15.000 Went up to New York.

00:19:16.000 We did the gala there.

00:19:17.000 Thousand plus people at Cipriani in Manhattan, the finest venue in New York City, planting the MAGA flag right there in lower Manhattan.

00:19:26.000 And a huge shout out to Gavin Wax and Vish Bora and the whole team over there at that New York club.

00:19:33.000 They started with they had they had 40 members when they took over the club like four years ago.

00:19:39.000 They just passed sixteen hundred paid up members who are who are.

00:19:44.000 They're not just there to party, although they are very good at that.

00:19:47.000 I can I can testify to that firsthand.

00:19:50.000 And it takes a lot for Raheem Kassam to give people their partying dues.

00:19:54.000 Believe me, I have a high bar, high tolerance.

00:19:58.000 But they're there.

00:20:01.000 They're door knocking.

00:20:02.000 They're canvassing.

00:20:03.000 They're doing the phone calls.

00:20:05.000 You know, they were instrumental in just how much the ground shifted for Donald Trump.

00:20:10.000 I mean, that Madison Square Garden rally that was just absolutely historic for multiple reasons, but was absolutely historic would never have happened were it not for Gavin and the team.

00:20:22.000 The Bronx rally.

00:20:23.000 The Bronx rally.

00:20:24.000 Same thing.

00:20:25.000 The trip to the bodegas.

00:20:27.000 The endorsements from the steam fitters union.

00:20:29.000 You know, all of these things that were part of a wider piece.

00:20:35.000 That piece being victory, right, that piece being a victory so gigantic, so massive, so overwhelming.

00:20:44.000 That the Democratic machine downed tools the day after the election.

00:20:50.000 And they said, we don't know what to do with this.

00:20:53.000 We don't know how to handle this.

00:20:55.000 Now, I'm not saying they've gone away.

00:20:57.000 Absolutely not.

00:20:58.000 And I think we cannot be for a second complacent about where they stand as an operation at right now, because they're going to get more radical.

00:21:05.000 They're going to get more extreme.

00:21:07.000 They're going to become more vengeful as, you know, as a wounded animal being cornered.

00:21:13.000 And they will lash out and lash out.

00:21:17.000 And I think we're going to see it on January 6th in Washington, D.C.

00:21:21.000 And I want everybody coming into town to be extremely careful and have their wits about them.

00:21:27.000 Because I think there are going to be some fringe elements who are who are in the midst of taking over, by the way, in the midst of taking over the left wing in a massive way.

00:21:40.000 And you saw Cenk Uyga go over to to Amfest and kiss the ring.

00:21:44.000 Right. And if you didn't see it, you should see it because they understand.

00:21:47.000 They get now all of these people who for the last decade have told me, looked at me square in the eye and said, I don't know how you can do this populism stuff, you know, and holding their nose. 0.97

00:21:59.000 While they say it, you know, it's dirty, it's filthy, it's disgusting. 0.70

00:22:03.000 Why do you want to be around ordinary people? 0.79

00:22:05.000 And I always look back at them and say the same thing is that the ordinary people built this country, the ordinary people built Western civilization.

00:22:13.000 And there's absolutely nothing ordinary about them.

00:22:16.000 They are, in fact, the extraordinary people.

00:22:18.000 It's the people who are the leeches on that effort.

00:22:22.000 And whether it is the security effort, you know, for the people who served their country, served in the military, anything like that.

00:22:29.000 Or whether it's the people who have physically, who physically get their, you know, one of the things that I learned.

00:22:35.000 And I'll bring Will Upton into this conversation in a second.

00:22:38.000 One of the things that I learned, you know, having spent many years with Steve Bannon over the years, like up close and personal, understanding his mental framework, how it all works. 0.97

00:22:48.000 Because I think we all agree, ladies and gentlemen, he's kind of nuts. 0.98

00:22:51.000 Right. 0.96

00:22:52.000 In the best way you can see the cogs moving.

00:22:54.000 You don't know quite where they're going to go.

00:22:56.000 And you kind of just have to try your best to follow along.

00:23:01.000 Is the old Breitbart news radio show.

00:23:03.000 That was one of the things that really clued me up onto how how you actually get to understand what's going on out there in the country.

00:23:10.000 I mean, you know, I can go to New York and I can go to L.A. and I can go to Phoenix.

00:23:14.000 But, you know, the big cities will scarcely tell you anything real.

00:23:18.000 They might give you a vague sense, especially out in some of the suburbs, what's going on in people's day to day lives, you know, affordability, things like that.

00:23:27.000 And actually, you've got to get far deeper into it.

00:23:29.000 I know I don't have to tell you this, but it was that radio show.

00:23:32.000 And the reason it was that radio show was because it was a call in show.

00:23:36.000 And so I think we were up at six to nine a.m.

00:23:40.000 So you had to be in the studio at five a.m., which for those of you who know me, you know, it was difficult because sometimes I would come straight from the pub to the studio.

00:23:51.000 And it's six o'clock in the morning and the entire call boards are lit up.

00:23:58.000 Everybody wants to.

00:24:00.000 Hey.

00:24:01.000 And I remember them by name.

00:24:03.000 You know, Lou in Connecticut.

00:24:05.000 Vinnie in New York.

00:24:06.000 You know, Vinnie's no longer with us.

00:24:08.000 I'm afraid.

00:24:09.000 We stayed friends.

00:24:11.000 You know, he was he was fantastic guy.

00:24:14.000 And his family and his and his kid, absolutely fantastic people serving serving their country.

00:24:20.000 And you would hear from them every single day.

00:24:22.000 What's going on in the country?

00:24:23.000 All these people will call in and they would they were truck drivers and they were homeschooling moms and they were the farm owners.

00:24:31.000 And you get to grips with a level of information, a level of detail about the lived experiences of the so-called ordinary Americans.

00:24:40.000 The what I think of is the extraordinary Americans.

00:24:43.000 Right.

00:24:44.000 People who actually roll their sleeves up and get their hands dirty and leave a legacy for their kids and for their grandkids.

00:24:51.000 The generational struggle that they face.

00:24:53.000 Will Upton, let me bring you in here.

00:24:56.000 We've got a couple of minutes here in this block, but I want to carry over to the next one, too.

00:25:00.000 I've developed Bannonitis, which is which is the the involuntary ability to rant down a camera lens.

00:25:08.000 I call it Bannonitis.

00:25:09.000 So you have to forgive me.

00:25:10.000 But we've got another a block on the back of this as well.

00:25:14.000 Well, we've had an extraordinary 18 months.

00:25:17.000 And, you know, you and I have known each other for actually for far longer than we've worked together.

00:25:21.000 I was so delighted when you came to me one day and you were like, hey, you know, I'm a free agent.

00:25:26.000 If you've got anything going at the National Pulse, because I was like, nobody knows that town.

00:25:29.000 Nobody knows MAGA, you know, at an institutional level better than Will Upton.

00:25:34.000 And I think you show every day on the site.

00:25:36.000 Let's let's get into the last year.

00:25:38.000 And if you have any thoughts on the things I just said, please feel free to weigh in.

00:25:40.000 But let's you know, let's talk about the last 18 months to bring people from from, you know, because it went so quickly.

00:25:47.000 Right. It went so fast.

00:25:49.000 But in a lot of ways, it was probably some of the most painful stuff that we'll ever go through in our political lives.

00:25:55.000 Well, yeah, that primary was a happy Boxing Day.

00:26:01.000 No, I think you bring up a really good point.

00:26:04.000 You're talking about the Colin show.

00:26:07.000 This is something that I noticed during the primary and it carried over to the general election that this started to do Santa's campaign.

00:26:15.000 They completely missed sort of the primary electorate.

00:26:18.000 They focused sort of on your traditional, predominantly evangelical, predominantly, you know, upper middle class, sort of high income, modern education level to high education level evangelical voter.

00:26:30.000 But since 2016, Trump has sort of brought in a whole new demographic to the Republican Party, typically working class.

00:26:39.000 You know, the large portion of them are Hispanic.

00:26:42.000 Smaller portion are black men. 0.70

00:26:45.000 Large portion are white males without college education.

00:26:48.000 And Trump is the only one who has ever really sort of offered these people anything on the policy front, whether it's immigration, whether it's trade, reshoring jobs.

00:27:01.000 You know, this has been sort of the message that has propelled the MAGA movement, the America First movement, you know, the sort of anti-foreign interventionism movement has propelled all of this forward.

00:27:15.000 And in the early days of the primary, I kind of sat there and looked at the DeSantis campaign and they had their big Twitter rollout and they were kind of messaging on sort of the, you know, Florida where woke goes to die, things like that.

00:27:28.000 And none of this really, I thought, resonated with what is now a large portion of the GOP electorate.

00:27:36.000 These people are actually registered Republicans now, especially after 2020.

00:27:40.000 Hold that thought right there.

00:27:45.000 Hold that thought right there, because we've got to go to a quick break.

00:27:47.000 But hold it right there. You're absolutely right.

00:27:49.000 It was a failure to recognize the moment.

00:27:51.000 It was a failure to recognize the changing nature of the GOP base and what Donald Trump had actually brought to the equation here.

00:27:57.000 Without that, no electoral college vote, no popular vote.

00:28:00.000 We'll be right back with Will Upton here on the War Room Boxing Day special.

00:28:05.000 Don't go anywhere.

00:28:07.000 May God bless you.

00:28:11.000 War Room.

00:28:12.000 Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.

00:28:21.000 Welcome back to this Boxing Day special.

00:28:23.000 You're in the War Room.

00:28:24.000 I'm Raheem Kassam, one of the original co-founders of this show, obviously under Stephen K. Bannon, alongside Jason Miller.

00:28:33.000 And we have all had kind of, I would say, kind of a busy year, quite frankly.

00:28:38.000 Although, you know, one of us did go on vacation in Danbury for a couple of months over the summer.

00:28:43.000 Came out with a, you know, wonderful tan, looking all svelte, you know.

00:28:47.000 It's great.

00:28:48.000 I don't know.

00:28:49.000 But Steve's got the day off today.

00:28:51.000 So I'm in the driver's chair here leading you through this Boxing Day special.

00:28:55.000 I'm delighted to be with you, ladies and gentlemen.

00:28:57.000 It's one of my, probably actually, I mean, so one of my, it is my favorite audience in the whole world because I meet so many of you every single time I'm out there at these events.

00:29:07.000 Obviously, we did AmpFest, AmpFest, sorry, last week with Charlie Kirk and the extremely, I mean, just mind-blowing turning point operation that was there.

00:29:18.000 I think their staff, their volunteers that run that event, a lot of them just kids, right?

00:29:25.000 College kids volunteering their time, their spare time to make sure that event runs effectively.

00:29:31.000 I think they now number in the thousands, actually, or at least a thousand people that they have there on the ground in Phoenix at that convention center.

00:29:40.000 And it's just an incredible sight to behold because, look, I've run things all my life.

00:29:44.000 Will Upton, we'll bring Will back into this in a moment.

00:29:48.000 And Will will tell you that I am a particularly hard taskmaster at times.

00:29:53.000 I don't sort of deal very well with what I perceive to be lethargy or laziness or things like that.

00:30:03.000 Not to take any shots at Will directly, by the way, but it's just a blanket attitude that I have towards everything that I've ever run in my life.

00:30:11.000 And, you know, for Charlie to be running an operation like that and to have as many people working under him as he does.

00:30:18.000 I mean, you've got to understand, AJM, and I know lots of you run your own companies out there and know how hard it is.

00:30:23.000 You're getting into the numbers that he's dealing with.

00:30:26.000 20,000 attendees, 1,000 plus people helping run the event.

00:30:30.000 You've got to deal with social security, secret service.

00:30:34.000 You've got to deal with the local police departments.

00:30:37.000 You've got to deal with all of these things.

00:30:39.000 And it's just it's extraordinary.

00:30:42.000 So you make sure that you support those people that you go to those events.

00:30:46.000 I love it because I get to meet so many of you.

00:30:49.000 And I have a almost broken wrist by the end of it from shaking so many hands and taking so many selfies.

00:30:56.000 But it keeps us going because we don't get that level of support.

00:31:01.000 You know, when I walk down the street in Washington, D.C., you certainly don't get that level of behavior.

00:31:06.000 People coming up to you in restaurants, in bars.

00:31:09.000 Yeah, I can't I can't even begin to tell you how much it means to me when somebody says to you, oh, I read your work.

00:31:15.000 You know, we're members of the National Pulse.

00:31:18.000 That is, by the way, that is the music to my ears because we are 100 percent reader supported.

00:31:24.000 I don't want to have to put a paywall on it.

00:31:26.000 Although, you know, if people don't join up voluntarily, we're going to have to get there.

00:31:31.000 We have to underwrite this organization.

00:31:33.000 We have to keep it going.

00:31:34.000 We have to keep the real news out there and grow the organization, by the way.

00:31:39.000 And the website for those of you who want to join is simple.

00:31:41.000 It's the national pulse dot com forward slash war room.

00:31:45.000 OK, the national pulse dot com forward slash war room.

00:31:49.000 It's two bucks a week, ladies and gentlemen, less.

00:31:54.000 Quite frankly, I think it's one dollar seventy three a week.

00:31:57.000 So I'm not asking you.

00:31:59.000 And by the way, we have a donate section.

00:32:00.000 If you want to donate money, it's bigger than national pulse dot com forward slash donate.

00:32:04.000 And if you if you want to throw more cash, that's great.

00:32:07.000 We love all those people.

00:32:08.000 I'm extremely grateful for it.

00:32:10.000 But but our our sustaining base of people, our thousands upon thousands of members are what keeps us going day in and day out.

00:32:20.000 And I'm going to keep talking about it over the course of this episode because I will be frank with you.

00:32:26.000 We go into a year now where a lot of people take their foot off the accelerator.

00:32:30.000 They go, oh, well, we won the election.

00:32:32.000 So, you know, we can just kind of let Trump and the team now now make America great again.

00:32:37.000 Right. It doesn't really work like that.

00:32:39.000 You know, you have to have your allies across different sectors running interference.

00:32:44.000 You know, we have to have the Will Uptons doing the requisite fact checks on the false narratives that are being perpetuated out there.

00:32:52.000 We have to have in-depth reporting, real news reporting.

00:32:55.000 You said it this week, this last couple of days when they released the the leaked, I should say, the Congressional Ethics Committee.

00:33:02.000 Ethics Committee, ethics being the word leaked in a deeply unethical manner, their report into Matt Gaetz to sully him up to besmirch his name, to try and tell the world he should never come back to Washington, D.C.

00:33:18.000 He's not allowed in these hallowed halls. Forget the fact that we've been paying off, you know, sexual harassment accusers for the last several decades at least and using taxpayer money to do it.

00:33:31.000 By the way, your money, ladies and gentlemen, to do it. No, Matt Gaetz is the problem because he went to a couple of parties and he maybe he had a sugar daddy relationship with a girl one day.

00:33:41.000 You know, you know, by the way, a girl who was overage, you know, these lies that they tell about this underage girl and Matt's approach to this is always the same.

00:33:50.740 Bring it into a courtroom. Then if you have the evidence that this ever happened, show it to a court of law and let me defend myself against these allegations in a courtroom.

00:34:00.000 And guess what? They never do that very thing.

00:34:04.360 We'll bring Will Upton back into the conversation. It will. That's obviously been one of the main themes of the last couple of days.

00:34:10.300 I interrupted you over the course of the break. We're talking about the primary process. Let's marry those two up. 1.00

00:34:15.520 How do we get here? Let's talk about Kevin McCarthy. Let's talk about Mike Johnson.

00:34:19.060 Let's talk about this budget crisis that we've got going on here, because because it's crazy to me the way that the GOP establishment appears to have learned absolutely nothing.

00:34:29.880 Yeah, I mean, Kevin McCarthy was was ousted for basically trying to marry a debt limit deal to to a CR with government funding.

00:34:39.140 This is something that he had promised he would not do when he was first elected speaker with part of the conditions of him becoming speaker.

00:34:46.720 And Matt Gaetz rightfully held his feet to the fire on it.

00:34:52.280 And for the first time ever in United States history, the motion to vacate the the speaker's chair actually passed through the house.

00:35:00.280 The last time it was used was in the 1910s against speaker Cannon, who actually used it against himself in like a power move to basically like lay it on the table and be like, I'm the big guy in the room.

00:35:11.420 But yeah, and then you fast forward today, we find ourselves again in the same situation.

00:35:18.380 Now, you know, Mitch McConnell, Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi, they kind of put us in this budget scenario where we have to do this continuing resolution every December right before Christmas.

00:35:29.740 It used to happen, you know, at various points throughout the year when funding would kind of run out.

00:35:35.400 But now it just it's it's set for December.

00:35:37.400 And the whole goal is to jam members right before Christmas and sort of ram through a big expensive CR and and and call it a day.

00:35:46.180 Now, now, thankfully, this time we had a lot of pushback from from activists and just, you know, rank and file people at home and rank and file members of Congress that, you know, prevented a 1500 page continued resolution.

00:35:59.120 A continued resolution should only be like anywhere between four to nine pages, really.

00:36:03.000 It's just changing a date and saying we're extending government funding for for three months.

00:36:07.400 But, you know, thankfully, there was there was a kind of a groundswell of pushback against it.

00:36:12.940 And we ended up with about 116 page continued resolution.

00:36:16.000 It's only that long, really, because it had a bunch of disaster aid for the victims of the hurricanes in Florida, North Carolina, then wildfires out west.

00:36:23.740 But like if it had not been for that, you know, Mike Johnson probably would have ran through this 1500 page bill in the dark of night. 0.97

00:36:33.100 And and very few members of Congress, if any, other than the men behind closed doors who wrote it, would have ever read the damn thing. 0.95

00:36:40.400 Yeah, I think that's right. 0.86

00:36:44.940 Well, you know, the spotlight being on these people seems to seems to change their at least public statements and public behavior.

00:36:52.880 Just just a smidgen. Right. Just enough to kind of all they're really interested in is taking a little bit heat off them.

00:36:58.220 But I keep telling people, you know, you can play whack-a-mole with this House speaker as much as you want.

00:37:04.000 But unless you get to the crux of the issue, right, the structural problems up on Capitol Hill, then you're going to be playing whack-a-mole for the rest of your life.

00:37:12.040 So let's talk about that a little bit here, because, look, it comes down to this.

00:37:14.900 You know, big, big, major corporation can buy a member of the House or a member of the Senate.

00:37:21.060 And I keep telling people, hey, listen, they didn't write their own pay rise into that 1500 page legislation.

00:37:27.320 The lawyers, the lobbyists, the appropriators who wanted that bill passed wrote in a bribe in the form of a pay rise into that into that bill.

00:37:37.140 That's what it was. So talk to me a little bit and talk to the audience who doesn't really understand how that bill.

00:37:42.620 Because, look, Mike Johnson ain't sitting there writing a 1500 page bill.

00:37:45.620 OK, who's writing that and how do we make them famous?

00:37:50.200 Yeah. So the people who write these bills, it's the Appropriations Committee.

00:37:54.560 It's it's key members of the Senate and the House, usually committee chairs.

00:37:59.100 A good way to identify some of them is to see, like, who kind of got bills that they had that they had sponsored that really hadn't moved.

00:38:06.420 If they suddenly appear as a new title in this bill, that's that's a good bet that person had a hand in it.

00:38:12.980 There's a certain senator from Texas who I know a lot of people like, Ted Cruz.

00:38:17.540 He had the Take It Down Act, which is an anti-deepfake bill.

00:38:22.540 It is sort of languished in the Senate for the better part of years.

00:38:26.500 All of a sudden, I believe it was Title IX in the 1500 page CR.

00:38:31.620 Whole bill's in there.

00:38:33.040 But mostly it's written behind closed doors.

00:38:36.100 So you don't know exactly who is in that room.

00:38:39.100 But it's going to be sort of leadership aides and then your appropriators and powerful committee chairs.

00:38:45.420 And this is the way Congress really runs.

00:38:47.260 Like we sit there and people want to criticize Mike Johnson and sort of point the finger at him.

00:38:51.460 And at the end of the day, he is the speaker and the buck does stop with him.

00:38:54.380 But in the House, the day-to-day, the stuff that we really don't like, often the real perpetrators are these committee chairs, are the appropriations committee, and are their staff and their sort of lobbyist buddies, their sort of pay masters at the end of the day.

00:39:12.840 So that's who's really behind a lot of this stuff.

00:39:15.020 And I think that as we sort of move forward into this next Congress, it would kind of behoove people, I think, to sort of look into who's running appropriations now, who – the former Kay Granger, of course, just showed up in an assisted living facility and hasn't taken a vote since July.

00:39:35.300 Thankfully, she stepped down from the committee last spring.

00:39:37.440 But, you know, and looking at – you know, Tom Cole runs the committee now, congressman from Oklahoma.

00:39:43.520 But, you know, who some of these committee chairs are and really pay attention to what legislation they're moving and what they're doing on their day-to-day because that's where the real power lies in the House especially.

00:39:56.460 See, Will, I mean, maybe I'm crazy.

00:39:58.440 I'm one of these guys who thinks if you're going to do all of this stuff now, right, doge and really turn everything on its head.

00:40:04.780 Let's talk about manifest destiny, right?

00:40:07.960 We're talking about Canada.

00:40:09.500 We're talking about Greenland.

00:40:11.080 We're talking about the Panama Canal.

00:40:13.180 If you're going to do all of these – and even if you're going to talk about them, right, if you're going to start introducing that kind of revolutionary thinking back into the American national psyche, then you've got to apply that same level of radical thinking to Capitol Hill too.

00:40:28.280 I want to see an open-source billmaking process, right, on the blockchain where people can see every single person.

00:40:37.200 Who is it on the committee staff who's added this line and why?

00:40:41.240 And what are their interests?

00:40:42.800 Who is it on the appropriation staff that added this line?

00:40:46.260 And, you know, what is it about them?

00:40:47.920 What are their names?

00:40:49.320 Who are these people?

00:40:50.580 You work for the government.

00:40:52.060 You're a public servant.

00:40:53.140 You're using taxpayer money.

00:40:54.720 And, by the way, you want a hell of a lot more of it to spend on your pet projects.

00:40:58.360 Then I think we need to know who you are.

00:41:01.820 And that is my pledge over the course of the next year.

00:41:04.100 Because if we're not going to get the money directly out of this right now, day one, then at least we need to know who is on the receiving end of that lobbyist and lawyer cash.

00:41:13.140 We'll hang over, hang over on the break.

00:41:16.540 I want to bring you back for the last segment in this hour.

00:41:18.720 We've got Jack Montgomery in the next segment talking to us about the 12 days of Christmas.

00:41:23.660 Going to bring in Chris Tomlinson, another one of our great writers over at the National Post to talk about what's going on in Europe at the moment.

00:41:29.440 Because it is blowing up over there right now.

00:41:32.600 Germany, France, Italy, the United Kingdom.

00:41:36.080 We're going to go through all of it.

00:41:37.480 I hope you all had a very happy Christmas, but we are back with our shoulders to the wheel here at the War Room.

00:41:43.700 I'm grateful for you joining us.

00:41:44.820 Make sure you're following us on social media, all the War Room pages across all of it.

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00:41:58.020 Coming in hot on the gram, as Boris would say.

00:42:00.640 Stick around.

00:42:01.560 We'll be right back after this break.

00:42:03.040 War Room.

00:42:11.600 Here's your host, Stephen K. Vance.

00:42:20.720 Welcome back to this special Boxing Day edition of The War Room.

00:42:26.240 I'm Raheem Kassam, joined by our political editor at the National Pulse, Will Upton.

00:42:32.140 Will, we've got a brief segment here.

00:42:35.300 I know I've talked, I told you I got bananitis.

00:42:38.180 It is basically where you cannot disconnect from the microphone here in front of you.

00:42:42.100 And this suddenly becomes your best friend for two hours.

00:42:45.720 And I want to throw it to you now.

00:42:47.920 Where are we, summarize over the last 18 months, anything you want to reflect on from the last 18 months.

00:42:53.360 But where are we going?

00:42:55.180 And, you know, let's maybe talk a little bit about the transition process and how I wish they hadn't driven that wedge between Project 2025, that employee database.

00:43:05.460 Remember, Project 2025 was not the document that everybody held up and said, oh, you know, this is crazy town, blah, blah, blah.

00:43:14.660 And that Trump had to end up distancing himself from.

00:43:17.600 The original 2025 project was just a database of pure MAGA staffers who had worked in the first admin, who were true loyalists.

00:43:27.420 You know, these people who put their shoulder to the wheel every single day, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, who didn't abandon Donald Trump after January 6th.

00:43:35.980 There were so many people out there who did.

00:43:37.500 And that was what that thing was originally for.

00:43:39.840 And then it all got muddied up.

00:43:41.620 You know, you could talk about heritage and all of this stuff.

00:43:44.400 But let's talk about that, because as I understand it to this day, you know, the staffing process coming on, coming along a little slowly.

00:43:50.900 And there are some and there are some people that we need to be looking out for.

00:43:54.720 Yeah. Yeah.

00:43:55.480 So they're just now getting landing teams up at a lot of these agencies.

00:43:58.900 These are usually kind of experienced staffers who are around either in the first administration or prior presidential administrations who are sort of in charge of getting in there, sort of seeing where things stand, and then beginning to bring in sort of that permanent political staff that Trump will appoint.

00:44:17.060 You know, with Project 2025, you're absolutely right.

00:44:20.200 Like that – Heritage every year puts out a mandate for leadership, and it's basically a big policy book.

00:44:25.960 It's not Project 2025, but it's – you know, the database was 2025, where it still seems like they're going to try to draw a lot of names from for people who appoint to a lot of these positions in the federal government.

00:44:37.740 But a lot of this sort of infighting there I think has slowed that process, is absolutely correct.

00:44:43.620 But, you know, the transition is underway.

00:44:46.360 It is moving slowly, although I would credit them on their economic team that they've put together.

00:44:51.900 It's absolutely fantastic.

00:44:52.900 You know, Scott Bassett over at Treasury, he's going to be the next Treasury Secretary.

00:44:58.720 Very incredible economic mind.

00:45:01.180 His number two, Michael Falkander, I worked with at the Treasury Department.

00:45:06.100 He'll be the DEBSEC.

00:45:07.560 Michael is one of the most brilliant human beings I've ever seen kind of in action.

00:45:11.960 Stephen Mirren was just named to the Council of Economic Advisors.

00:45:15.380 He'll be chairing that.

00:45:16.900 Stephen was kind of our in-house economist at Treasury.

00:45:19.100 He's really the only reason why I know anything about economics.

00:45:23.400 Whenever I do these questions, I just ask Stephen.

00:45:25.700 And I still do.

00:45:26.560 I still consult with him quite a bit.

00:45:28.760 But, you know, you've kind of got this team slowly getting into place here that is, you know, really the guys that were around the last time that were able to sort of put together that robust and sort of booming Trump economy.

00:45:40.880 So on that front, I think that we've got kind of the ducks in order and things are running pretty smoothly.

00:45:48.420 But, you know, elsewhere, we've seen some problems.

00:45:50.600 You know, the State Department is always a concern.

00:45:52.960 And it's a place where you really, I think, truly need people who are battle-hardened and battle-ready because your careers over there, your career federal employees, your career bureaucrats, your career diplomats, it is a viper's den.

00:46:11.860 And these guys, some of them are almost more loyal to the kind of the countries or regions which they work with than they are to the United States.

00:46:22.020 And they are predominantly far left-leaning and they hate the president-elect.

00:46:28.540 So I think there's a concern there that we're maybe going too soft and too go along to get along at the State Department, which, again, I want to flag as a big concern.

00:46:39.940 And then, of course, we're going to see, you know, both within sort of the GOP establishment and among the Democrats, the big guns come out for people like Tulsi Gabbard and for Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

00:46:52.460 And we've already seen it with Pete Hengsteth at the Department of Defense.

00:46:57.020 But, you know, the delay in getting the landing teams down, I think, is, you know, concerning.

00:47:03.980 But it does seem like, at least on the economic front, they've got things well underway.

00:47:08.900 Yeah.

00:47:09.940 Yeah, I think that's right.

00:47:12.280 Well, I think I tend to agree with you on that.

00:47:13.620 The state stuff really worries me.

00:47:15.200 Some of the domestic stuff worries me as well, seeing certain people going into certain landing teams.

00:47:20.820 Now, listen, some of the people have gone in and then, you know, maybe somebody like Raheem Kassam has dropped a tweet or two and suddenly they're not in anymore.

00:47:31.960 And that's OK.

00:47:32.660 You know, if we need to be the clearinghouse, if we need to be on the ombudsman, I'm happy to be unpopular with the people I love being unpopular amongst.

00:47:39.120 You know, I'm not interested in being a good buddy to those people who have worked in Rhino Hill offices for all their lives or at Ron and McDaniel's RNC, quite frankly.

00:47:51.500 And you'll never you'll never change my mind about those things.

00:47:54.300 I don't want to hang out with you.

00:47:55.740 I don't want to come to your little receptions where you drink, you know, bladdered wine.

00:48:00.060 You know, cross me off the list.

00:48:01.840 Delete my email address.

00:48:02.880 Delete my phone number.

00:48:04.060 I'm not that interested in it.

00:48:05.620 Right.

00:48:05.820 What I will say is this.

00:48:08.860 I don't think you can be too hard on that situation.

00:48:13.160 I think I think, you know, the tendency of President Trump to be a uniter is it's a good character trait.

00:48:19.460 It says lots of good things about him as a human being.

00:48:22.580 But in but in going in back into Washington, D.C., I don't think you can be too hard and too vindictive, quite frankly, against the people who abandoned you, the people who talk BS about you for so many years.

00:48:33.480 That applies across the board, whoever you're hiring in politics, in media.

00:48:37.300 Like we should be building up new media organizations, not inviting the CNNs back in, not inviting the ABCs back in.

00:48:43.660 You know, it was a lot to talk about with that as well.

00:48:45.880 How the press operation works, all of that.

00:48:48.180 Well, we've got about a minute to go here.

00:48:49.800 Tell people where they can find you, how they can follow your work and what a great boss I am.

00:48:57.700 Yeah, yeah.

00:48:58.440 You can follow me on on X, formerly Twitter.

00:49:01.220 It's just at WUPTON, W-U-P-T-O-N. 1.00

00:49:04.520 You can read all my writing at the National Pulse.

00:49:07.320 That's thenationalpulse.com.

00:49:09.640 And he was a great boss.

00:49:10.740 I mean, we see eye to eye a lot.

00:49:12.260 So it makes things easy.

00:49:16.960 That's absolutely true.

00:49:18.380 You know, the real secret of it is that I actually just listen to the things that Will says and kind of connect the dots.

00:49:24.640 So he's the real mastermind behind the operation, as with Jack, as with Chris, as with my whole team, by the way, Sandy, and all the guys who have such an amazing, amazing contribution to how the National Pulse operates.

00:49:38.860 Will, happy Boxing Day.

00:49:40.280 I hope you had a very happy Christmas, and we'll talk after the show.

00:49:45.440 Thank you.

00:49:46.020 Ladies and gentlemen, stick around. 0.89

00:49:48.100 We've got a killer second hour here.

00:49:50.560 In the break, however, you can just go to thenationalpulse.com forward slash war room.

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00:50:05.380 We'll be right back after this break.

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Bannon's War Room - December 26, 2024

Episode 4152： WarRoom Boxing Day Special

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