Bannon's War Room - January 01, 2025


Episode 4163： A WarRoom New Year Special 2025 cont


Episode Stats

Length

52 minutes

Words per Minute

150.84077

Word Count

7,858

Sentence Count

451

Misogynist Sentences

3

Hate Speech Sentences

19


Summary

Raheem Ghassam, founder, publisher, editor, and editor-in-chief of National Pulse, joins me to talk about the rise of the "Constantine T-shirt" and why it's so popular in Turkey.


Transcript

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00:02:35.000 I like hearing that.
00:02:36.000 I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.
00:02:37.000 It's going to happen.
00:02:38.000 I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
00:02:44.220 Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
00:02:48.220 If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
00:02:54.220 We say war room.
00:02:56.020 Here's your host, Stephen K.
00:02:58.000 Back.
00:02:58.300 It's Wednesday, 1 January in the year of our Lord, 2025.
00:03:08.220 Boy, does that kind of roll off the tongue?
00:03:09.780 Love that 2025.
00:03:11.640 Raheem Ghassam, founder, publisher, editor-in-chief of National Pulse, joins me.
00:03:17.420 Raheem, we've had a quite fascinating.
00:03:19.740 First off, the photo you took of the dinner, and if we can get the photo up, you get a chance, of the Constantinople T-shirt has gone mega viral.
00:03:29.100 Before I get you to think deep thoughts with me on techno-feudalism and the future of the MAGA movement and where the country's going, why did we kind of – and I did it as a goof.
00:03:40.700 It was a very specific gift from my brother.
00:03:43.900 We talk about this a lot.
00:03:45.220 But, you know, we're very focused on the Orthodox Church and the Roman Catholic Church or those that were getting back together with Protestant Christianity to really, you know, get Christianity under one roof or at least under one coalition.
00:04:00.180 Why do you think it hits such a big nerve?
00:04:01.840 Why does this thing have millions?
00:04:03.020 Why did your post then go mega viral and it's the – every talk show in Turkey is covering it?
00:04:09.820 Yeah, thanks, Steve, and happy new year to all the Warren Posse and to yourself and all the guests on this show.
00:04:17.680 It's certainly been an interesting 12 months and certainly been an interesting, let's say, last 12 days.
00:04:25.080 The – I had the great pleasure of seeing Stephen K. Bannon in a very different environment as you were kind enough to invite me to your family Christmas lunch
00:04:36.520 and seeing and hearing from all of your – all the stories that I heard that day, Steve.
00:04:43.340 We'll keep those maybe for another time.
00:04:45.400 But I guess we created some stories that evening as well because, as you say, your brother gives you this free Constantinople T-shirt.
00:04:53.040 You hold it up.
00:04:53.740 We take a picture, post it out there.
00:04:55.220 And you're right, not a goof, but kind of like – kind of a provocation, honestly.
00:04:59.760 Maybe a little bit lighthearted in the way we did it, you know, posting it to X.
00:05:03.540 But really this actually dovetails with the other conversation that I think we're going to have here,
00:05:09.060 which is about tech feudalism and the insistence of, you know, a lot of these kind of atheistic, you know,
00:05:18.200 post-enlightenment thinkers who are talking about having a, you know, a benevolent dictator,
00:05:26.100 a benevolent monarch that plucked from Silicon Valley to rule over a new American governance settlement.
00:05:33.960 You know, this actually is a grounding mechanism and I think a grounding force for those of us who actually think,
00:05:40.580 well, actually the American founders pretty much got it right.
00:05:44.140 And instead of looking to these kind of niche crazy ideas about how you govern, you know,
00:05:49.580 not just the United States of America, but we're talking about Mars at the moment as well,
00:05:53.480 actually we'd be better served in looking in backwards to the great American founding and the ideas that that spurred on.
00:06:02.060 You go prior to that, of course, and you talk about Christendom and you talk about the Westphalian treaties
00:06:09.480 and you talk about what it meant to keep this kind of patchwork of nation states,
00:06:14.860 at least trying to keep them from warring with each other and recognizing actually that there is a God-given
00:06:21.640 or a God-ordained, a mandatory, you know, philosophy that we should follow that seeks to restore Christianity to its rightful place,
00:06:32.500 not just in your homes, not just in your schools, but all across the Western world.
00:06:35.880 And that is kind of what triggers all of these people so much.
00:06:39.080 And it triggers, you know, the atheistic post-modernists as much as it triggers the increasingly Islamized Turks.
00:06:47.480 And we've seen how Erdogan in Turkey has used Islamism to prop himself up, has used, I guess, the spiritual influence.
00:07:00.180 You know, and you have to bear in mind all of the different machinations that are going on at the same time here.
00:07:04.280 Remember just how many mosques and migrants the Turks have been sponsoring into Germany and all across Europe as well.
00:07:13.000 So it's natural and necessary that we sort of come to blows over that conversation, as I say,
00:07:19.340 as perhaps tongue-in-cheek as posting something like that to ex-wars.
00:07:23.700 It speaks to a wider civilizational clash.
00:07:26.260 We're talking about the civilizational clash.
00:07:29.900 Joe Allen's going to join us.
00:07:30.920 You're talking about Christendom.
00:07:32.040 Here in – with Erdogan and the reestablishment of the Ottoman Empire because his goal is to reestablish the caliphate that fell apart at World War I
00:07:44.460 with the Arab Revolt, Lawrence of Arabia, Allenby, the British Army, all of it, and to take back the two holy sites and reestablish the Turks as the senior member
00:07:55.540 vis-a-vis the Persians and the Egyptians and the Bedouins of the – as the really the leaders of the Islamic faith.
00:08:05.020 The one thing you can say about it, they're quite religious people, right?
00:08:09.100 I mean this is all – and you said – Ben said earlier, the history – their history is inextricably linked with their current actions.
00:08:16.660 They can tell you about Allenby and Damascus.
00:08:19.620 They could tell you about Lawrence of Arabia.
00:08:21.100 They could go back a thousand years to Vienna, and it's like it happened today.
00:08:25.040 They've interwoven history as they go forward.
00:08:27.900 Here in the West, as Joe Allen will tell us here in a second, it's been a totally – we've thrown off, quote-unquote,
00:08:35.560 what the – at least feel is the shackles of Christianity, the shackles of the underpinnings of the Judeo-Christian West.
00:08:43.600 And at the very moment where we had these confrontations on civilizational kind of – I don't want to say conflict,
00:08:51.400 but at least, you know, as rivals, peer rivals.
00:08:56.740 At the very moment, we've totally jettisoned it for this neo-feudalism that's really this kind of techno-neo-feudalism,
00:09:04.880 which I think is personified in the singularity or in Elon Musk colonization of Mars,
00:09:11.020 which to me kind of avoids the central problem of how does one live here on Earth and live in the best way possible.
00:09:20.400 Raheem, your thoughts for our bringing Joe Allen?
00:09:21.860 Yeah, what does it speak – what do both of those sides speak to in their opposition?
00:09:28.080 What are they speaking against effectively?
00:09:30.660 And the answer to that question is human agency.
00:09:33.500 They want to take – and, you know, I read a bunch of this stuff, whether it's Curtis Yarvin, you know, and all that kind of stuff.
00:09:39.640 And time and time again, what you see here is an invocation of the idea that we are serfs, right?
00:09:48.120 And we serve, you know, whoever – and he says so himself.
00:09:53.000 A lot of these people say so themselves.
00:09:54.880 This arbitrary power that just happens to spring into action because we decide communally somewhere along the lines that,
00:10:03.740 hey, we actually don't know what we're doing and we need somebody, you know, who's smarter than us and more, you know, can be a benevolent dictator to guide us.
00:10:10.240 And that is a very important distinction between kind of working class populism, which – but, you know, knows – this audience knows and understands history,
00:10:20.320 knows and understands their place in history, knows and understands, you know, what we need to bring it back,
00:10:24.600 versus the people who kind of look at everything and go, ah, you know, it didn't quite work out.
00:10:29.400 The founders had some good ideas.
00:10:30.620 It was very cute and all that.
00:10:32.980 But we're going to leave all of that in the past and move on to something extremely different and very hard to pin down
00:10:37.960 and extremely actually quite dangerous if you listen to some of these people.
00:10:41.740 It's such an important distinction.
00:10:43.380 I know it's a very heavy topic, but I encourage people because, you know, we have – I mean, I don't know if we really have four years here.
00:10:50.060 You know, we have a 12- to 18-month period here where there's a lot going to get done.
00:10:54.220 But then the rest of that period of time of the second Trump term is going to be looking towards the future
00:10:59.980 and what the future pretends, you know, not just for the Republicans as a political party,
00:11:04.240 but for the wider movement and for the wider Western world.
00:11:07.920 These are big questions.
00:11:09.340 They're not just coming down the pipeline.
00:11:10.700 They're hitting us in the face right now.
00:11:12.600 And this is what we need to get serious about.
00:11:16.920 Yeah, hang on a second, Raheem.
00:11:18.940 Let me bring in Joe.
00:11:20.580 A lot of folks don't know that Joe was actually a theology major.
00:11:24.900 At Boston University, I think you got a master's there exactly like Dr. Martin Luther King where he got his Ph.D.
00:11:31.440 So, Joe, talk to us about it.
00:11:33.140 You got the – our sociopathic tech overlords are kind of creating – I don't know if it's a new religion or this tech feudalism
00:11:40.500 and this dark enlightenment of – what is it?
00:11:43.600 Curtis Yarvin.
00:11:44.360 Your thoughts, brother?
00:11:45.180 Well, Steve, Raheem, happy new year and happy new year to the posse.
00:11:51.400 Sorry, my voice is not exactly here.
00:11:53.760 I am subject to human frailty like everyone else.
00:11:57.280 You know, this subject of civilizational transformation that you guys are hitting on, everything we're seeing is a symptom of that.
00:12:07.080 A big part of it is the breakdown of Christendom over the past few centuries among elites, but even that has trickled down to the wider populace.
00:12:19.600 A big thing driving that is the elevation of scientific facts, laws, principles, theories above religious conceptions of the world.
00:12:30.200 And as that scientific worldview has become clearer and more coherent, the religious worldview is less and less able to be attached to it, right?
00:12:40.460 The early scientists were Christians.
00:12:42.640 The early science was a way of describing God's creation, but more and more it's become an entity of its own.
00:12:48.900 So you have this big, dead, clockwork universe that doesn't like you and doesn't care about you.
00:12:55.020 What do you do in response to that?
00:12:57.520 You try to take control of it.
00:12:59.600 You try to terraform the universe in a way that is friendlier to you, the lowly and lonely human on planet Earth, the dirt ball spinning around the sun.
00:13:09.180 That is where all of this sort of techno religion comes into play.
00:13:14.760 It isn't a techno religion, I would say, but it's many different techno religions that are competing for dominance as science and technology are held up as the highest powers, not just on Earth necessarily, but if there are no aliens to save us, then the entire universe.
00:13:33.540 And Elon Musk, Sergey Brin, Larry Page, Mark Zuckerberg, even to some extent, I would say that guys like Jeff Bezos and certainly Sam Altman, their project is to create a greater intelligence than human beings, artificial intelligence.
00:13:52.720 Traditionally, the greatest intelligence was, of course, divinity.
00:13:57.220 Now, in this kind of dead clockwork universe that these people inhabit within their own minds, the only solution to the problem of human frailty and human stupidity is to create a greater intelligence to better organize the human self and to better realize the human self.
00:14:13.560 And, of course, the outward project is to better organize society, algocracy, in essence.
00:14:22.520 Hang on one second.
00:14:24.580 Joe Allen and Raheem Gassam are here with us to kick off the new year.
00:14:29.400 I can't think of two better guys.
00:14:30.740 Just had Ben Harnwell.
00:14:31.660 Pretty good team.
00:14:33.360 Happy New Year.
00:14:34.020 We're going to take a short commercial break.
00:14:35.380 We're going to return in a moment.
00:14:37.000 Beautiful music.
00:14:37.740 We'll take you out.
00:14:38.440 I want to talk about this new techno religion and what it means practically for MAGA and practically for the United States of America in Trump's second term, which kicks off in, I don't know, 20 days?
00:14:51.620 If it hasn't already kicked off.
00:14:53.400 Short commercial break.
00:14:54.180 Back in a moment.
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00:16:10.880 Should old acquaintance be forgot
00:16:18.120 And never brought to mind
00:16:27.200 Should old acquaintance be forgot
00:16:35.900 In the days of old lang syne
00:16:43.200 For old lang syne
00:16:51.000 My dear
00:16:53.000 For old lang syne
00:17:01.200 Will take a cup
00:17:05.660 For old lang syne
00:17:08.000 For old lang syne
00:17:12.900 And never brought to mind
00:17:16.580 To all acquaintances be forgot
00:17:27.700 And never brought to mind
00:17:37.200 To all acquaintances be forgot
00:17:45.180 In the days of old and old
00:17:53.520 We'll take our cup
00:17:59.220 Of kindness yet
00:18:04.260 For the sake of old and old
00:18:15.180 Well, from Waterloo Bridge in 1940, that was the top of our game, right?
00:18:27.460 39-40-41.
00:18:29.480 Like I said, Vivian Lee, gone with the wind.
00:18:31.720 Not a bad roll.
00:18:33.260 Gone with the wind in 39, Waterloo Bridge in 40, that Hamilton woman in 1941.
00:18:38.600 Raheem, Kurdish Yarvin.
00:18:43.000 I know Joe Allen knows a lot about him.
00:18:44.840 I'm going to get his talk.
00:18:45.460 But Kurdish Yarvin and this whole concept of the dark enlightenment,
00:18:49.560 and we're going to get into the practical,
00:18:51.140 how that's going to play out in our politics,
00:18:52.820 but this is one of the ideas
00:18:53.960 because these guys brought it up with this
00:18:57.100 total phony scam of H-1B visas,
00:19:01.200 how they've tried to eviscerate the American middle class,
00:19:04.200 and we've won this unconditionally.
00:19:06.240 We're going to win it unconditionally.
00:19:07.680 We're going to make sure those go away
00:19:09.220 and that these folks are deported.
00:19:11.460 American workers take the jobs.
00:19:13.680 And I think reparations have to be paid.
00:19:15.760 But let's go back to the railhead of how this all started,
00:19:18.120 this kind of techno-feudalism,
00:19:20.020 this dark underbelly.
00:19:20.800 We've got Elon Musk.
00:19:22.300 On one hand, he's trying to go to Mars
00:19:23.860 and colonize Mars.
00:19:24.800 On the other, he's chipping people
00:19:26.220 and working on artificial general intelligence,
00:19:29.260 it's AGI, which as Joe Allen just told us is the,
00:19:33.260 is, you know, when you talk about the singularity,
00:19:35.880 that is getting the intelligence of the machine
00:19:39.820 to be greater than the sum of all human intelligence, sir.
00:19:45.520 Yeah, Steve, you've got to remember as well,
00:19:47.580 and for the audience kind of getting their heads around this,
00:19:50.400 I know a lot of people already do,
00:19:52.060 but for those who have just sort of experiencing this,
00:19:55.440 the musks of the world have already decided in their minds
00:20:00.200 where the future of humankind lays, right?
00:20:02.700 This is not something that you can convince them away from.
00:20:06.340 They're not putting feelers out there.
00:20:08.020 They're not flying a kite on AGI or any of this stuff.
00:20:12.260 They have set a course in their minds
00:20:15.840 for, you know, mass automation, virtually everything.
00:20:20.200 You're going to start hearing
00:20:21.400 the universal basic income arguments again.
00:20:24.300 And you'll start hearing the arguments
00:20:27.280 for the implementation, implantation of chips.
00:20:29.840 Hang on a second.
00:20:30.640 Hang on a second.
00:20:33.200 Hang on a second.
00:20:34.280 I want to go back to that.
00:20:36.360 This is not something they're running up the flagpole
00:20:38.640 and sees who salutes, okay?
00:20:40.820 Yes.
00:20:41.160 They don't really care about what War Room thinks about this.
00:20:44.120 They don't care about Joe Allen's dark aeon.
00:20:47.140 They don't care about MAGA,
00:20:48.800 and they don't care about this audience.
00:20:50.260 They don't care about the tip of the tip of the spear.
00:20:51.960 And they particularly don't care what Donald Trump thinks about this.
00:20:55.000 I want to go back.
00:20:56.020 This is absolutely central.
00:20:57.340 As we saw with Davos,
00:20:59.600 and this year at Davos is on the same,
00:21:02.080 Davos kicks off on the same day as the inauguration.
00:21:05.400 And we're going to have, you know,
00:21:07.160 a Noor bin Laden there as our correspondent,
00:21:09.080 and we're going to cut between the inauguration and Davos,
00:21:12.020 because Davos is only a year ago,
00:21:14.820 you had the opening of artificial intelligence,
00:21:17.580 and I said the pouring in of capital.
00:21:19.600 Now, literally hundreds of billions of dollars
00:21:23.280 have been raised into artificial intelligence,
00:21:25.800 and the horse is out of the barn.
00:21:28.020 You're going to have a very tough time
00:21:29.460 if you can possibly even put it back,
00:21:31.400 but go back to your point.
00:21:33.640 They're not looking for your approval audience.
00:21:36.360 They're not looking.
00:21:37.000 They don't care what you think about this.
00:21:38.780 They don't care about how you're going to try to stop this.
00:21:41.380 They're not, like I said,
00:21:42.500 running it up the flagpole and seeing who salutes.
00:21:45.360 They're going down a very definitive path about this,
00:21:48.220 Raheem Kassam.
00:21:49.760 Yeah, that's right,
00:21:50.580 and it's a very important point that you make
00:21:52.100 about how much money has been sunk into this already.
00:21:54.780 They're not going to turn around and just be like,
00:21:56.300 oh, right, okay, we didn't realize you guys didn't want that.
00:21:59.020 We'll back off and away from it.
00:22:01.940 They have, in their heads,
00:22:03.960 already reached the singularity, right?
00:22:05.780 That is a fait accompli.
00:22:07.740 This is a conversation that they have been having for decades now,
00:22:11.300 and they've already deployed the capital
00:22:13.840 and deployed the resources to get there.
00:22:17.380 They're not looking for partners in you, in me,
00:22:20.540 in any of the audience members.
00:22:21.940 They're looking for serfs.
00:22:23.340 They are looking for people who will obey
00:22:26.640 what Yavin refers to as arbitrary power
00:22:30.000 in, I think it was a 2008 essay that he wrote
00:22:33.620 about how all of this stuff will come to pass,
00:22:36.620 and it doesn't require any of your adherents.
00:22:41.040 It doesn't require you to vote for this thing.
00:22:43.840 The rejection of representation as a governance mechanism,
00:22:48.400 which is rampant amongst this crowd, by the way,
00:22:51.800 and by the way, don't underestimate
00:22:54.240 just how many people adhere to this
00:22:58.080 without necessarily speaking up to it.
00:23:00.500 I meet people all the time on the political right
00:23:03.080 who are fully-fledged believers in this way of thinking,
00:23:07.060 which is, at its core, wildly authoritarian,
00:23:11.360 at its core, negates human agency definitionally, by the way.
00:23:16.960 It's not a byproduct of their philosophy.
00:23:20.640 It actually requires them to negate your human agency
00:23:23.620 and reject you as a stakeholder and participant
00:23:26.700 in the future of human civilization
00:23:29.400 in order to get to where they're going.
00:23:31.580 So this is Serfdom 101.
00:23:33.960 We've seen this throughout human history,
00:23:36.020 but we're now seeing it,
00:23:37.200 and I know Joe knows far more about it than I do,
00:23:39.820 we're now seeing it at a far more dangerous level
00:23:41.740 because this is where tech comes into play here.
00:23:44.260 This is where automation comes into play.
00:23:46.260 This is where your decision-making processes
00:23:48.360 are stripped from you,
00:23:49.740 and you become a member of the Borg, right?
00:23:54.540 Joe, jump in here.
00:23:56.200 Your thoughts.
00:23:58.180 Yeah, I couldn't agree more.
00:23:59.620 You know, Curtis Jarvin is an interesting thinker.
00:24:02.580 I've always found his ideas to be stimulating,
00:24:05.940 but especially his early stuff
00:24:07.660 when he was still writing as Mincius Moldbug.
00:24:09.740 But increasingly, he is pushing towards that,
00:24:13.100 you know, what is oftentimes called the dark enlightenment,
00:24:15.880 you know, this idea of a red Caesar emerging,
00:24:18.980 this return to a monarchical, governmental,
00:24:22.560 and civilizational structure.
00:24:24.560 I don't have any place in that,
00:24:26.600 so I have no time for it.
00:24:28.220 And this idea that the kind of lower IQ
00:24:31.820 or lower socioeconomic populations should be serfs
00:24:36.860 is abhorrent to me.
00:24:38.840 But even more abhorrent is this notion
00:24:41.620 of a kind of greater replacement of human beings by AI
00:24:46.280 or human beings as robots
00:24:48.020 so that even as a so-called serf,
00:24:50.860 you don't even have a plot to till.
00:24:53.120 You don't even have any value at all.
00:24:55.480 You're not a useful idiot.
00:24:57.320 You're a useless idiot in that conception.
00:24:59.540 So, you know, the way that this ideological movement
00:25:04.160 is pushing, and it's not just Jarvin.
00:25:06.280 I mean, it goes across really the board
00:25:08.920 with guys like Peter Thiel and Mark Andreessen
00:25:11.860 and, of course, Elon Musk.
00:25:13.600 I'm not saying that their adherents
00:25:15.180 were necessarily some kind of, like, you know,
00:25:17.420 acolytes of Curtis Jarvin,
00:25:19.200 but they are on that wavelength,
00:25:20.960 and that's how they were able to get
00:25:22.780 so much influence among the American right
00:25:26.040 and the right across the world
00:25:27.740 is because they do speak the language of the right
00:25:31.300 in many ways,
00:25:32.120 but ultimately it's not anything like an American right
00:25:35.800 because for them, America is kind of already over.
00:25:40.300 Peter Thiel is maybe the one outlier,
00:25:42.500 I just have to at least mention that,
00:25:44.180 in that he is, in some sense, a Christian.
00:25:47.560 He's a Catholic, albeit a very unorthodox one,
00:25:51.520 but even in his conception,
00:25:54.040 he sees the danger of AI,
00:25:55.800 he sees the danger of a totally kind of digitized society,
00:25:59.000 but he's much more concerned
00:26:00.640 about the governmental measures
00:26:02.440 that will be put in place to control them
00:26:04.400 so that rather than worry about the AI antichrist,
00:26:07.420 he's worried about a one-world antichrist,
00:26:09.780 and again, it just kind of frames this in a way
00:26:12.120 in which these guys who are running these tech companies,
00:26:14.840 these tech investors,
00:26:16.080 they still end up being on top,
00:26:18.260 they still end up being the primary decision makers,
00:26:20.240 and then on down the line,
00:26:21.780 the AIs they create are the primary decision makers.
00:26:26.540 I've got a minute here in this block,
00:26:28.780 and then both of you guys are going to stick around.
00:26:30.440 Question to you, Joe Allen,
00:26:32.260 is Raheem just made a comment that shocked me.
00:26:34.740 Have we hit the singularity from their perspective?
00:26:37.620 Have we already hit the convergence
00:26:39.040 where we're at Homo sapien 2.0,
00:26:42.580 or at least Homo sapien 1.5, sir?
00:26:46.120 You know, I can't give you that one in a minute,
00:26:49.060 but I will say this.
00:26:50.240 That we have absolutely reached Homo sapiens 1.5.
00:26:54.740 That's us here.
00:26:55.920 That's almost everyone in the developed world.
00:26:58.740 The idea of the singularity is that moment
00:27:00.780 beyond which no one can predict the future.
00:27:03.660 I think that we are fast approaching that.
00:27:06.120 Not necessarily super intelligent, godlike AIs,
00:27:09.380 but something that normal humans
00:27:11.020 will not be able to wrap their heads around
00:27:12.660 and will be in utter confusion going forward.
00:27:15.520 Wow.
00:27:18.220 How about this to start the new year off?
00:27:21.500 Well, you're in the world for a reason.
00:27:24.400 Happy new year.
00:27:25.280 Yeah, happy new year.
00:27:26.260 Something to think about.
00:27:26.980 Okay.
00:27:28.920 Joe Allen, our own Joe Allen,
00:27:30.860 the editor of All Things Singularity.
00:27:33.100 The transhumanism.
00:27:38.660 Dangerous, dangerous topic.
00:27:40.360 And of course, Rahim Ghassam,
00:27:42.360 the founder and publisher of the National Pulse.
00:27:44.640 We can get all this cutting-edge analysis.
00:27:48.040 We're going to take a short break on a New Year's Day.
00:27:49.960 We're starting off with a bang.
00:27:51.460 How about this?
00:27:53.040 Most people taking the day off are very sleepy.
00:27:55.540 Not here.
00:27:57.240 We're on the ramparts in the war room.
00:28:00.040 Back in a moment.
00:28:00.680 We're on the ramparts in the war room.
00:28:01.720 Back in a moment.
00:28:02.780 Our sins between us,
00:28:06.700 Lord, have voices all.
00:28:10.860 Should all acquaintance be forgot,
00:28:17.880 and day so fall and so.
00:28:22.920 Should all acquaintance be forgot,
00:28:31.880 and day so fall and so.
00:28:39.160 Fall and so, my dear.
00:28:46.660 Fall and so.
00:28:52.920 We'll take a call,
00:28:57.580 O climb as yet.
00:29:00.760 The great Sissel from Norway.
00:29:03.140 What a voice.
00:29:06.020 I'm going to go to Rahim in a second
00:29:07.280 with this concept of Red Caesar,
00:29:09.720 but I've got to ask you, Joe,
00:29:11.220 just for the audience,
00:29:13.080 is when we talk about Peter Thiel
00:29:14.920 and Elon Musk and Zuckerberg,
00:29:17.820 these visionaries,
00:29:18.940 Bezos,
00:29:19.860 Sergi at Google,
00:29:22.640 is the whole concept,
00:29:24.180 when they talk about transhumanism,
00:29:25.660 they talk Homo sapiens 2.0,
00:29:27.820 isn't it all boiled down to one simple thing?
00:29:30.660 This is nerd,
00:29:31.920 nerd,
00:29:32.600 rule by nerd.
00:29:34.820 It's nerd think.
00:29:35.980 And the number one thing,
00:29:37.540 since none of them really have,
00:29:39.200 maybe Thiel's side,
00:29:41.740 none of them really believe in
00:29:42.940 the faith of the Judeo-Christian West.
00:29:46.280 I'm not sure any of them have any real religious faith
00:29:48.880 except for this new techno-religion.
00:29:51.040 Isn't this project
00:29:52.360 just about eternal life,
00:29:54.320 that they can get eternal life?
00:29:55.600 They're absolutely panicked
00:29:56.780 about leaving this veil of tears,
00:29:58.840 and their whole efforts
00:29:59.760 are really to extend
00:30:00.700 their lives principally
00:30:02.700 for eternity,
00:30:04.420 sir?
00:30:06.020 That is definitely
00:30:07.220 a strong,
00:30:08.900 strong thread.
00:30:09.840 I mean,
00:30:10.000 there's some,
00:30:10.560 Elon Musk would be
00:30:11.680 maybe an exception to that,
00:30:13.080 at least in his rhetoric,
00:30:14.100 but
00:30:14.340 Ray Kurzweil
00:30:16.160 is kind of the godfather,
00:30:18.440 you know,
00:30:18.580 one of the people
00:30:19.060 who really put this idea
00:30:20.320 in the public consciousness.
00:30:21.700 You could upload your soul.
00:30:23.320 Then you have guys like
00:30:24.200 Brian Johnson now,
00:30:25.280 the kind of,
00:30:25.900 you know,
00:30:26.420 modern-day vampire
00:30:27.300 who uses technology
00:30:29.420 to monitor every bit
00:30:30.720 of his physiological function
00:30:32.600 so that he can optimize it,
00:30:34.060 and he says,
00:30:34.760 don't die,
00:30:35.360 we'll live forever.
00:30:36.300 So yeah,
00:30:36.740 I mean,
00:30:36.940 that's absolutely
00:30:37.860 one of the central themes.
00:30:39.940 I mean,
00:30:40.060 basically any,
00:30:41.020 you take any abstract concept
00:30:43.500 from religion,
00:30:45.160 whether it be Christianity
00:30:45.900 or any other mainline religion,
00:30:48.540 whether it be higher power,
00:30:50.300 God,
00:30:50.700 or gods,
00:30:51.700 whether it be the human soul,
00:30:53.160 or in their case,
00:30:54.040 like neurological patterns,
00:30:55.600 or whether it be
00:30:56.500 like the extension of that soul
00:30:58.660 into the future
00:30:59.280 beyond this life,
00:31:00.380 and for them,
00:31:00.980 again,
00:31:01.240 it's like uploading your soul,
00:31:02.840 having an AI basically
00:31:04.120 be a clone
00:31:05.220 or a swarm of clones of you.
00:31:07.520 Yes.
00:31:08.380 The short answer is yes.
00:31:09.860 Eternal life
00:31:10.500 or at least
00:31:11.080 indefinite immortality
00:31:13.620 until maybe
00:31:14.340 the universe ends
00:31:15.380 is one of the central themes
00:31:17.340 of transhumanism,
00:31:18.740 post-humanism,
00:31:19.500 this whole singularity,
00:31:20.920 religious framework,
00:31:22.580 if you want to call it that.
00:31:23.360 Raheem Ghassam,
00:31:28.600 the Red Caesar,
00:31:29.400 this whole concept.
00:31:30.500 Can you explain that
00:31:31.300 to folks?
00:31:32.420 Is Trump the Red Caesar
00:31:33.660 and Curtis Yarvin's
00:31:36.180 masturbatory fantasy?
00:31:40.020 Look,
00:31:40.640 very heavy topics
00:31:42.100 for a New Year's Day,
00:31:44.260 but I just want to
00:31:45.780 bring it back
00:31:46.640 to something
00:31:47.000 that Joe had mentioned there
00:31:48.320 and remind people.
00:31:49.640 Hold it,
00:31:50.200 hold it,
00:31:50.480 when Raheem's
00:31:52.140 trying to get
00:31:52.760 his fifth mimosa
00:31:53.660 to take the edge
00:31:54.420 off last night
00:31:55.240 or I guess
00:31:56.780 it's a bloody,
00:31:57.440 a double strong bloody.
00:31:59.360 At this point,
00:32:00.340 it's whatever
00:32:00.860 you can get your hands on.
00:32:03.120 But the point Joe's making
00:32:05.780 and I think
00:32:06.240 it bears repeating
00:32:07.880 and I think
00:32:08.480 it will bear repeating
00:32:09.120 all throughout this year
00:32:10.040 as well as we
00:32:10.620 continue to see
00:32:11.720 these people
00:32:14.600 come to loggerheads
00:32:15.580 over this issue
00:32:17.940 of techno fascism
00:32:22.260 really is what it is.
00:32:23.740 But it's because
00:32:25.020 it strips away
00:32:25.800 the consent of the governed.
00:32:27.100 And I'll talk about that
00:32:28.000 just in a second
00:32:28.660 with the Red Caesar stuff.
00:32:30.060 But this is also
00:32:30.780 original sin, right?
00:32:32.260 This is about
00:32:33.340 immortality for them.
00:32:35.740 It's about becoming
00:32:36.520 godlike for themselves.
00:32:39.160 They have adopted
00:32:40.580 this mentality.
00:32:41.720 And to answer
00:32:42.740 your question
00:32:44.500 about my own statement
00:32:45.300 from earlier,
00:32:45.900 there's no doubt
00:32:46.500 in my mind
00:32:47.120 that these people
00:32:47.700 have already decided
00:32:49.040 that the singularity
00:32:50.280 has effectively
00:32:51.260 already happened, right?
00:32:52.240 What are we waiting for, right?
00:32:53.740 The only things
00:32:54.300 they're effectively
00:32:54.820 waiting for at this point
00:32:56.020 and this is why
00:32:56.800 all the tech money
00:32:58.040 that's flowing
00:32:58.620 into the political
00:33:00.300 right now
00:33:00.960 is actually quite concerning
00:33:02.860 is regulatory stuff, right?
00:33:05.560 Can we actually get them
00:33:07.280 to allow us
00:33:08.020 to do this stuff
00:33:08.840 to human beings
00:33:09.980 at a mass scale
00:33:10.920 and who is standing
00:33:11.980 in our way otherwise, right?
00:33:13.780 So take all of that
00:33:16.060 and then, you know,
00:33:17.500 take the ideas
00:33:18.560 that have been floating
00:33:19.580 around kind of as noise,
00:33:21.020 right, for the last 10,
00:33:22.260 15 years
00:33:23.020 with these bloggers
00:33:24.680 online like Yarvin
00:33:26.280 who used to go by
00:33:27.260 by Menchus Moldbug,
00:33:29.100 which is to say that,
00:33:30.080 hey, you know,
00:33:31.060 the right solution
00:33:33.020 to the problem
00:33:34.620 of the political left
00:33:35.760 and the problem
00:33:36.420 of wokeness
00:33:37.140 and all of this stuff
00:33:38.120 should actually
00:33:39.440 just be a dictatorship.
00:33:42.020 Forget about
00:33:42.680 the consent of the governed.
00:33:44.000 Forget about
00:33:44.460 not just the consent
00:33:45.240 of the governed
00:33:45.660 of the left,
00:33:46.440 of the people
00:33:47.140 that vote
00:33:47.460 for the left-wing politicians,
00:33:48.860 but forget about it
00:33:49.740 on the right as well.
00:33:50.740 Or every single person
00:33:51.880 should have no active say
00:33:53.060 in wider government.
00:33:56.340 There may be arguments
00:33:57.160 that they make,
00:33:57.820 by the way,
00:33:58.440 about localism
00:33:59.520 and things like that,
00:34:00.560 but it's a smokescreen,
00:34:01.980 effectively a smokescreen
00:34:03.100 for them saying,
00:34:04.380 don't worry about
00:34:05.000 what goes on
00:34:05.640 in Washington, D.C.
00:34:06.540 Don't worry about
00:34:07.400 what goes on
00:34:07.960 in Brussels.
00:34:08.540 Don't worry about
00:34:09.280 what goes on
00:34:10.040 at the World Economic Forum.
00:34:11.500 That is for
00:34:12.620 the self-appointed
00:34:15.040 dictator class
00:34:16.760 to make their decisions about,
00:34:18.580 and that's what
00:34:19.240 Red Caesarism
00:34:20.140 effectively is.
00:34:21.360 It's actually,
00:34:22.620 when you get down
00:34:23.460 to the nitty-gritty of it,
00:34:25.860 they are
00:34:27.120 throwing their hands up
00:34:29.060 in the air
00:34:29.560 and saying,
00:34:30.280 well, actually,
00:34:30.680 we really don't know
00:34:31.360 how to do this
00:34:32.020 within the confines
00:34:33.420 of the American Constitution.
00:34:34.840 We don't know
00:34:35.500 how to do it
00:34:36.000 within the confines
00:34:36.760 of Western civilization
00:34:37.920 in all of its traditions
00:34:39.100 and Christian traditions.
00:34:40.620 And so we're going to
00:34:42.240 move towards
00:34:43.500 this atheistic,
00:34:45.240 authoritarian model
00:34:47.360 of governance
00:34:48.100 that actually doesn't have
00:34:49.820 human agency
00:34:51.260 and Christianity
00:34:52.660 at its core.
00:34:54.160 And I think
00:34:54.920 the problem
00:34:56.220 with this topic
00:34:56.940 is that when you go away
00:34:58.660 and you go on a search engine
00:35:00.080 and you look at
00:35:00.780 Red Caesarism
00:35:01.740 and you start googling
00:35:02.640 all these people,
00:35:03.880 all that comes up
00:35:05.060 is silly articles
00:35:06.680 in the Guardian
00:35:07.500 or in the New Republic
00:35:08.960 or whatever.
00:35:09.460 It doesn't actually
00:35:10.260 understand
00:35:11.200 the mechanisms here
00:35:12.580 and it doesn't actually
00:35:13.320 understand the conversations
00:35:14.440 that are going on
00:35:15.320 in the right-wing salons,
00:35:17.340 whether they're
00:35:17.800 in Silicon Valley,
00:35:18.700 whether they're here
00:35:19.420 on Capitol Hill.
00:35:21.100 So there's a steep
00:35:22.680 learning curve this year.
00:35:24.320 That's why
00:35:24.920 you have to start
00:35:25.820 the, you know,
00:35:26.560 hit the ground running
00:35:27.340 in the new year.
00:35:28.740 And this is a subject
00:35:29.960 that if we don't
00:35:30.660 get our heads around
00:35:31.600 and if this audience
00:35:33.020 doesn't get its heads around,
00:35:34.220 then in two,
00:35:35.260 three, five,
00:35:36.100 ten years time,
00:35:37.220 people are going to go,
00:35:37.680 oh my goodness,
00:35:38.320 how did this happen?
00:35:39.080 Why did nobody warn us
00:35:40.100 this was going to happen?
00:35:41.220 This is happening.
00:35:44.960 So is that,
00:35:46.220 is Raheem on to something,
00:35:48.340 Joe,
00:35:49.020 in particular
00:35:49.680 with this whole thing?
00:35:50.480 Is this the manifestation
00:35:51.740 of Curtis Yarvin's
00:35:53.140 dark enlightenment?
00:35:54.080 Is this why,
00:35:55.260 because a lot of people
00:35:55.800 were confused
00:35:56.340 when Elon's bouncing
00:35:57.560 around the stage
00:35:58.300 like a nine-year-old,
00:35:59.580 he goes,
00:36:00.120 I'm dark maga.
00:36:01.400 Is that what dark maga means?
00:36:03.860 It's definitely,
00:36:05.060 there's a commonality,
00:36:07.000 absolutely.
00:36:08.040 And, you know,
00:36:09.360 again,
00:36:09.860 with Yarvin,
00:36:10.960 it's hard to tell
00:36:12.200 really how much
00:36:13.620 someone like Mark Andreessen
00:36:14.960 takes him seriously
00:36:16.060 or someone like Peter Thiel
00:36:17.600 or Elon Musk.
00:36:19.200 Like,
00:36:19.460 who is really wearing
00:36:20.400 the pants
00:36:20.980 in these relationships?
00:36:23.080 You know,
00:36:23.800 I'm inclined to think
00:36:25.400 that people
00:36:26.800 with the money
00:36:27.780 and the machinery
00:36:29.080 are really running the show
00:36:31.540 and that Curtis Yarvin
00:36:32.440 ends up being
00:36:33.580 a kind of a bard
00:36:35.300 singing their praises
00:36:36.920 and elevating them
00:36:37.820 from tech VCs
00:36:39.020 and tech company owners
00:36:41.060 to, you know,
00:36:42.460 King and Red Caesar.
00:36:43.820 And if I could just close
00:36:44.880 with one idea,
00:36:46.200 you know,
00:36:46.520 Curtis Yarvin's notion
00:36:47.600 of a new monarchy,
00:36:49.020 if you could imagine
00:36:49.940 the kind of LARP-y scenario
00:36:52.340 of Elon Musk
00:36:53.920 being paraded down,
00:36:55.340 say,
00:36:56.000 you know,
00:36:56.560 Hollywood Boulevard
00:36:57.720 with, you know,
00:36:58.360 people in outfits
00:36:59.240 following him
00:36:59.900 for his coronation,
00:37:00.780 it is so,
00:37:02.540 what's the term for it?
00:37:03.860 It begins with a G,
00:37:05.140 lame,
00:37:05.960 that I don't think
00:37:07.620 America would ever
00:37:08.220 go for it anyway,
00:37:09.000 but these guys
00:37:09.680 are definitely intoxicated
00:37:11.260 with their own wealth
00:37:12.040 and power.
00:37:12.900 Maybe they just don't care
00:37:14.000 how lame,
00:37:15.680 we'll call it,
00:37:16.340 it is.
00:37:21.940 Rahim,
00:37:22.800 did we fight
00:37:23.760 a revolution
00:37:24.440 to break off
00:37:25.260 from the most powerful
00:37:27.080 empire in the world
00:37:27.860 that was really going
00:37:28.780 on the world stage
00:37:29.580 at that time
00:37:29.960 in India
00:37:30.380 and North America
00:37:31.140 to end up
00:37:32.500 inviting into the tent
00:37:34.160 and actually supporting
00:37:35.280 folks that actually
00:37:37.100 have as a concept
00:37:38.100 a whole new
00:37:39.240 techno-religion,
00:37:40.680 something that strives
00:37:41.700 for eternal life,
00:37:42.580 man-made,
00:37:43.420 that kind of mocks
00:37:44.480 the Holy Spirit
00:37:45.180 and sets up
00:37:45.800 a new monarchy?
00:37:46.800 Is that what this
00:37:47.560 constitutional republic,
00:37:48.660 is this what we're
00:37:49.460 fighting for?
00:37:51.320 Right,
00:37:51.940 and this is where
00:37:52.980 I think the audience
00:37:53.700 needs to pay
00:37:54.300 particular attention
00:37:55.240 because the people
00:37:57.420 who are advancing
00:37:58.660 this theory,
00:38:00.040 and Joe's right,
00:38:01.100 you know,
00:38:01.280 we don't know
00:38:01.680 who's wearing
00:38:02.160 the pants here
00:38:02.840 quite yet,
00:38:03.500 but it's very clear,
00:38:04.860 like as you said
00:38:05.540 earlier, Steve,
00:38:06.580 this is kind of
00:38:07.400 a masturbatory,
00:38:09.580 a mental masturbatory,
00:38:11.040 and it's kind of
00:38:11.640 a circle jerk
00:38:12.440 actually of all
00:38:13.160 of these people
00:38:13.780 who are egging
00:38:14.600 each other on
00:38:15.260 to go further
00:38:15.780 and further.
00:38:16.120 Listen,
00:38:16.340 I was the first
00:38:17.260 writer who actually
00:38:19.040 wrote about Dark Marga
00:38:20.420 when that started
00:38:21.220 trending,
00:38:21.620 actually it was
00:38:22.780 years ago now,
00:38:24.640 and getting to
00:38:25.680 grips with not
00:38:26.660 just, you know,
00:38:27.640 who are the figures
00:38:28.340 online who are
00:38:29.380 pushing this,
00:38:29.960 but what does it
00:38:30.420 really mean at its
00:38:31.140 core,
00:38:31.460 and actually I
00:38:32.600 think Dark Marga
00:38:33.920 was more about
00:38:35.240 assailing your
00:38:36.520 political opponents
00:38:37.440 in far more
00:38:39.480 effective ways,
00:38:40.500 which I think
00:38:40.920 there was a lot
00:38:41.380 of frustration
00:38:41.880 about the first
00:38:42.580 Trump term,
00:38:43.400 that it wasn't
00:38:44.120 cutthroat enough.
00:38:45.480 This is something
00:38:46.360 different.
00:38:47.060 This isn't Marga
00:38:47.900 at all.
00:38:49.400 Marga believes
00:38:50.280 in the American
00:38:51.240 founding.
00:38:52.000 Marga believes
00:38:52.700 in the founding
00:38:54.880 principles,
00:38:55.620 not just of this
00:38:56.420 nation,
00:38:56.780 but of Western
00:38:57.240 civilization.
00:38:58.080 Marga believes
00:38:59.580 in the Judeo-Christian
00:39:00.920 West,
00:39:01.720 whereas this stuff
00:39:02.580 eschews it.
00:39:03.300 It completely
00:39:03.920 wants to turn
00:39:05.080 its back on it,
00:39:05.780 wants to turn
00:39:06.120 its back on human
00:39:07.000 history,
00:39:07.280 and effectively
00:39:07.780 hit a reset
00:39:08.480 button,
00:39:09.200 right?
00:39:09.440 A reset button
00:39:10.100 on human history,
00:39:11.240 and then so you
00:39:11.780 can go to Mars
00:39:12.580 and start a fresh,
00:39:14.200 you know,
00:39:14.520 a total new
00:39:15.160 civilization of people.
00:39:17.040 That I find to be
00:39:17.980 extremely dangerous,
00:39:18.800 that I find to be
00:39:19.620 a rejection of
00:39:20.780 everything that
00:39:21.280 people have
00:39:21.620 fought for over
00:39:22.620 the couple of
00:39:24.000 hundred,
00:39:24.460 you know,
00:39:24.660 250 years that
00:39:25.760 the United States
00:39:26.720 has been around,
00:39:27.460 and of course,
00:39:28.420 since Jesus Christ
00:39:30.700 himself came to us.
00:39:32.740 So that level,
00:39:36.080 or put it this way,
00:39:37.920 the stakes just got
00:39:40.040 higher, okay?
00:39:41.400 We're now fighting
00:39:43.200 a war,
00:39:45.640 a rhetorical war,
00:39:46.780 at least for the time
00:39:47.500 being over the
00:39:49.520 trajectory,
00:39:50.120 not just of the
00:39:50.680 political right,
00:39:51.460 but of Western
00:39:51.940 civilization,
00:39:52.420 and we're fighting
00:39:53.080 it kind of within
00:39:53.840 our own tent
00:39:54.700 at the moment.
00:39:56.320 We have to have
00:39:57.040 our wits about us,
00:39:58.000 and of course,
00:39:58.780 last year's,
00:39:59.520 the end of last
00:40:00.160 year's H-1B fight
00:40:02.820 was indicative
00:40:03.720 of where these
00:40:04.900 people want to go,
00:40:05.520 because hey,
00:40:06.360 at the core of
00:40:07.400 that argument,
00:40:08.060 guess what it was?
00:40:08.840 We don't actually
00:40:09.540 care about the
00:40:10.040 American worker,
00:40:10.820 we don't actually
00:40:11.500 care about human
00:40:12.140 dignity,
00:40:12.540 this is all about
00:40:13.920 profit margin
00:40:15.420 and proliferation
00:40:16.340 for the next stage
00:40:18.620 of human history,
00:40:19.600 right?
00:40:20.440 That is probably
00:40:22.900 one of the most
00:40:23.640 demonic things
00:40:24.340 that we'll have
00:40:24.800 to fight against
00:40:25.500 at least over
00:40:26.140 the next couple
00:40:26.600 of years.
00:40:28.480 I have said
00:40:29.360 for a long time
00:40:30.200 that eventually
00:40:30.940 transhumanism
00:40:31.960 and the underpinnings
00:40:32.880 of transhumanism
00:40:33.800 are going to get
00:40:35.020 in Homo sapiens
00:40:36.040 2.0 or 1.5
00:40:37.600 is going to become
00:40:38.860 the most important
00:40:41.700 political issue
00:40:42.720 in the West.
00:40:45.000 I'm going to ask
00:40:45.580 Joe Allen and Rahim,
00:40:47.280 are we going to start,
00:40:48.100 is that what we're
00:40:48.560 seeing now?
00:40:49.140 Is that why this is
00:40:50.120 becoming the underpinnings?
00:40:52.180 And we're going to
00:40:52.660 talk about debt ceiling
00:40:53.640 and, you know,
00:40:54.500 who's the speaker
00:40:55.380 and what are the
00:40:56.000 tactics of deporting
00:40:58.760 15 million people
00:40:59.920 and what are we going
00:41:00.580 to do with the bond
00:41:01.320 market and how are we
00:41:02.360 going to get a Ukraine?
00:41:03.320 All of those things
00:41:04.140 that are everyday,
00:41:05.820 although monumental
00:41:06.580 occurrences,
00:41:07.300 but what is the deep?
00:41:09.620 What are the deep
00:41:10.280 forces driving
00:41:11.400 modern culture,
00:41:12.540 driving modern
00:41:13.420 civilization?
00:41:15.040 That's what we're
00:41:15.560 here for in the world.
00:41:16.940 This is why I just
00:41:17.660 did modern monetary
00:41:19.660 theory.
00:41:20.320 It is a dangerous
00:41:21.240 idea.
00:41:21.920 It's been a
00:41:22.320 catastrophic idea
00:41:23.300 for the West.
00:41:24.420 It's the reason we
00:41:25.000 have $300 trillion
00:41:25.960 of debt globally
00:41:27.320 and we're about to
00:41:28.220 have the world's
00:41:28.880 biggest margin call.
00:41:31.220 Birchgold.com
00:41:32.200 slash Bennett.
00:41:32.960 Go talk to
00:41:33.420 Philip Patrick
00:41:33.920 and the team.
00:41:34.460 It may be time
00:41:35.220 for you to have
00:41:35.740 a hedge.
00:41:36.320 Gold has been
00:41:36.740 a hedge for
00:41:37.440 5,000 years
00:41:38.520 of man's recorded
00:41:39.260 history.
00:41:40.300 Go check it out.
00:41:41.020 The bagpipes
00:41:41.800 take us out.
00:41:43.380 Joe Allen
00:41:44.000 and Rahim Kassam
00:41:45.240 on the other side.
00:41:46.160 Get ready to sing.
00:41:49.220 Thank you for your
00:41:50.520 son.
00:41:51.160 He says,
00:41:51.380 ganz-
00:41:52.620 Good Taxes
00:41:53.320 on the other side.
00:41:54.640 He says,
00:41:55.400 do you have that?
00:41:56.800 You cuz I'm with
00:41:57.480 that story so we're
00:41:58.220 going to be
00:41:58.860 going to hide your
00:41:59.720 jpe of money
00:42:00.140 and they're not
00:42:00.440 the more
00:42:01.180 you have to
00:42:02.200 the other side.
00:42:03.180 For you to have
00:42:03.700 come to
00:42:04.800 forgive me
00:42:05.300 or join in a
00:42:05.760 llegar.
00:42:06.180 Should all acquaintance be forgot and let them go to life?
00:42:22.740 Should all acquaintance be forgot and all acquaintance be forgot?
00:42:30.900 Okay, welcome back.
00:42:31.840 On one January of Year of Our Lord 2025, on a Wednesday, we kick off the new year as only the war room can kick it off.
00:42:42.080 We started talking about the four turnings from my movie from, I don't know, 2009, I think, 2010.
00:42:50.120 I guess we started filming in 2009, so released in 2010.
00:42:54.300 Still feels pretty fresh today, does it not?
00:42:56.600 Joe Allen, I have said for a long time that we're going to have the convergence of the singularity and the issues of the singularity and the technology of the singularity and the capitalism of the singularity, or what I call the new feudalism of the singularity, going to merge with modern society and politics.
00:43:14.800 I happen to think it's going to be 2025, and that's why I had you, Rahim, and Ben Hornwell on here.
00:43:20.440 Steve, I'm thinking about the present moment where you have the world's wealthiest transhumanist, Elon Musk, his wealth having almost doubled since Trump was elected.
00:43:36.040 And you have, on the other side of that, the kind of World Economic Forum ideological hub with their meeting being dedicated to artificial intelligence.
00:43:47.280 It's entitled The Intelligence Age.
00:43:49.480 And it was announced at the same time that Sam Altman, CEO of OpenAI, published a very brief essay called The Intelligent Age, and I'm sure that's no accident, simply about how artificial intelligence will, in fact, ascend to a godlike state, artificial godlike intelligence.
00:44:08.820 Elon Musk has long positioned himself as the antidote or the hero who will defend us from the superintelligence.
00:44:15.780 He is now expanding his ex-AI facilities in Memphis, Tennessee, the Colossus system, to he wants it to be at a scale far larger than anyone else's, meaning he wants to create AI systems far more powerful than anyone else's.
00:44:31.360 Transhumanism, post-humanism, or the kind of singularitarian mentality is driving not just culture and science fiction.
00:44:39.200 It is driving decision-making at the absolute top levels of Silicon Valley or just the tech sector in general, the military.
00:44:48.360 And increasingly, I think the government will be much more responsive and probably pliable to this kind of wave of rule-by-algorithm or algocracy.
00:44:57.340 So short answer, absolutely.
00:44:58.840 And just before I go, if I can just say, you and Rahim have bloodied your knuckles in this fight long before you ever pulled me down out of the arena rafters to join you.
00:45:07.260 I really, really appreciate everything that you've done, appreciate everything you've done for me and the posse.
00:45:12.420 Happy New Year.
00:45:15.220 Happy New Year, sir.
00:45:16.820 Joe, where do you go to get all your right social media?
00:45:19.240 Joe's going to be on special assignment with us for much of this coming year, at least the first half, and not just ringing up for big conferences.
00:45:27.280 He's got other big thoughts that he's going to be thinking about and delivering to us at some time in the future.
00:45:33.080 Joe, where do people go and get you?
00:45:34.160 You got me at J-O-E-B-O-T-X-Y-Z, all social media, and of course, JoeBot.X-Y-Z, ton of new essays coming up there.
00:45:44.480 Again, Happy New Year, fellas, and Happy New Year to the War Room Posse.
00:45:49.500 Thank you, Joe.
00:45:50.360 Appreciate you.
00:45:51.820 Rahim Ghassan, with all the grubby, nasty, in-the-trenches politics we've got to deal with, right?
00:45:57.380 We were able to think great thoughts today, but the reason is, just like I did this thing on Modern Monetary Theory over at Birchgold.com, Bannon, you can get it today.
00:46:07.700 These massive ideas have huge consequences on people's lives.
00:46:12.760 That's what we want people to get ahead of them.
00:46:14.120 Your thoughts, sir?
00:46:15.880 Yeah, well, that's the entire point, right?
00:46:17.500 And this all comes down to motivation.
00:46:20.700 What are these different factions motivated by?
00:46:23.520 And I urge the audience, not just for yourselves, but for your family members, for the people that you recommend this show to, which you should be doing every single day, ask them, who is motivated by what in all of these scenarios?
00:46:36.600 Now, we have lived through, you know, I've lived through Brexit and all of that fight.
00:46:44.240 We've lived through, you know, sometimes the running street battles in Washington, D.C. and in Westminster with Antifa and Tommy Robinson and all of that stuff.
00:46:53.980 We lived through 2016 and Russia and all of this stuff, right?
00:46:59.240 Every single hoax.
00:47:00.760 Steve, you know, they sent you to prison, for goodness sakes, right?
00:47:04.820 But I suspect that this fight ahead of us is actually going to be one of the most difficult and one of the bloodiest fights that we face in politics over the next couple of years.
00:47:15.400 And I urge people to think about it this way.
00:47:18.140 If you think the tech right, you know, the Musks and the Teals and all of those guys are coming in behind the MAGA movement because they, you know, they are risking their careers and their liquid net worths and everything for the future for themselves.
00:47:34.820 Because they just so happen to agree with you on your politics and, you know, they want a better lot for you.
00:47:40.600 I got a bridge to sell you if you think it's that.
00:47:42.800 There is a motivation here, an underlying motivation here, that if you don't believe me now, keep paying attention over the course of the next coming months.
00:47:52.160 And I hope it doesn't take you years, ladies and gentlemen, to come to these conclusions.
00:47:55.340 But they showed their hand with the H-1B fight.
00:47:59.840 And now, I mean, they've never experienced an audience like this.
00:48:03.480 They've never experienced attention to detail like this.
00:48:06.080 So look to the motivations.
00:48:07.880 I will say I will conclude with this.
00:48:10.840 You know, we keep you at our core.
00:48:14.480 And the way you know that we do that is we don't take any money from outside sources to run the National Pulse.
00:48:19.400 It's all 100% you, ladies and gentlemen.
00:48:22.260 It's thenationalpulse.com forward slash warrum if you want to sign up.
00:48:26.080 But that's why I didn't want to go that route.
00:48:28.760 You know, there's lots of billionaires and things like that who want to stroke checks so that you'll write what they want and say what they want you to say.
00:48:35.060 We are here for you.
00:48:36.480 That's what this has always been about.
00:48:38.360 It's been about that.
00:48:39.300 You know, I talked on the Boxing Day special about the old Breitbart News radio show, Steve, listening to people, internalizing their hardships and, you know, being their representatives, being their ambassadors here in Washington, D.C.
00:48:51.540 So that I think is all I need to say about it at this point.
00:48:57.400 And I really genuinely am deeply appreciative for you, the show, the staff, the team, Real America's Voice, everyone involved in it.
00:49:05.440 TheNationalPulse.com forward slash warrum if you want to support.
00:49:09.300 Great way to start the day is with the National Pulse.
00:49:11.980 Thank you very much, brother.
00:49:13.460 Happy New Year, Raheem.
00:49:14.360 Thanks for doing this.
00:49:15.740 Happy dry January.
00:49:17.080 Joe Allen and Raheem's on a whole new kick.
00:49:21.600 For the entire staff and production team of the warrum, of course, everybody at Real America's Voice, a great team in Denver and in Palm Beach or West Palm Beach.
00:49:30.280 Happy New Year.
00:49:31.580 We start off with a tough one today.
00:49:33.720 But guess what?
00:49:35.320 You're tough people.
00:49:36.220 And we're going to need tough people to take, get this republic, this constitutional republic through this ordeal.
00:49:43.560 And it will be an ordeal.
00:49:45.220 But if we got to have a team that's going to win, I'd like who's on our side of the football.
00:49:51.160 Until tomorrow, the 2nd of January, 2025.
00:49:55.720 This is Stephen K.
00:49:56.540 Bannon in the war room.
00:49:57.500 We'll see you tomorrow.
00:49:57.960 Happy New Year.
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