Bannon's War Room - Episode 4166： Johnson's Days Are Numbered; Are H1B Holders More Intelligent Than American Workers

00:00:00.000 about the response from President-elect Trump, who trolled in outright misinformation and lies

00:00:05.400 on social media yesterday, seizing upon an erroneous Fox News report that this truck had

00:00:10.520 just come over the border, thinking that it was perhaps some sort of migrant behind the wheel.

00:00:15.460 So talk to us about, frankly, how irresponsible that is and fear-mongering, but also the idea

00:00:21.500 that this incident, with a new focus on national security, may actually ease the path for some

00:00:26.700 of his cabinet nominations to get through. Yeah, I mean, the first reaction from President-elect

00:00:32.580 Trump was to blame this on a border crossing that turned out to be based on an erroneous report

00:00:37.600 that had to do with the rental of this truck. Ended up being corrected, but Trump's post did not end

00:00:44.200 up being corrected. And then this morning, or I guess late last night, he continued to hammer away

00:00:48.520 at this idea that things are out of control at the border. Now is the time for tough policies to be

00:00:53.980 implemented and so on and so forth. Look, I don't want to excuse Trump, and I'm not. This is what

00:00:59.720 we now expect from him, right? This is the reaction that we have come to anticipate in these moments,

00:01:06.160 and it is what it is. He's not president yet, but we know that from past, this is how he reacts.

00:01:13.080 In terms of his nominees, I think, ultimately, for the national security slate, and by that I mean

00:01:20.260 Pete Hegseth, Tulsi Gabbard, Kash Patel at FBI, you can see the case where senators say he needs his team

00:01:28.120 in quickly. And even though we might have some reservations about their views, their management

00:01:34.200 experience, their past and personal lives, we need to push these nominations through. The one sort of caveat

00:01:41.160 I would add is that when it comes to Kash Patel, it's not, obviously, he's a controversial nominee

00:01:47.280 and so on. But he's likely to not be considered right away. The reason for that is that the Judiciary

00:01:52.560 Committee in the Senate will likely go with the attorney general nomination first, and they can't

00:01:58.500 do things simultaneously. So what we should expect is that Pam Bondi's consideration will happen before

00:02:03.140 Kash Patel, which means that that might get pushed back to a couple weeks, potentially into February.

00:02:08.180 So that's just from a timing perspective. But I would make the case, I would guess, that Republicans who

00:02:14.320 may be on the fence about some of these nominees will ultimately be persuaded to be supportive in

00:02:19.500 light of what happened yesterday. Yeah.

00:02:23.780 This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on

00:02:32.500 these people. I got a free shot. All these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly

00:02:39.580 full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop

00:02:43.500 that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen. And where do people like that go to share

00:02:47.840 the big line? MAGA media. I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.

00:02:56.040 Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country,

00:03:03.000 this country will be saved.

00:03:05.980 War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.

00:03:09.420 It's Thursday, the 2nd of January, the year of our Lord, 2025. This is kind of a continuation of our

00:03:23.980 morning show. We left you with this situation on the confirmations. Also, the selection of the

00:03:31.340 Speaker of the House. Both of those are progressing. We have recommended, strongly recommended to the team

00:03:36.400 from the beginning that they should be pushing for the confirmations to start right after President

00:03:40.960 Trump is certified on the 6th. It should start Tuesday. They need Kash Patel in immediately.

00:03:46.800 There's a tradition with Senator Grassley and his committee, Judiciary Committee, to wait 28 days

00:03:52.820 after they get the paperwork. Paperwork of Kash has been filed. We can't wait for the 20 days.

00:03:57.400 Pam Bondi could be ready to go next week. And then right after that, Kash Patel. So they're both ready

00:04:02.560 to be sworn in immediately after President Trump. We're going to continue to push this. Pete Hegseth

00:04:07.920 also. President Trump ought to have his national security and his, I think, his intelligence team,

00:04:13.080 CIA, DNI, and FBI. Intelligence, counterintelligence, counterterrorism, all of it ready to go.

00:04:22.360 We're here today, breaking news with Bernie Sanders. Bernie Sanders coming out and jumping on the tech

00:04:27.220 bros about the lies and misrepresentations of really getting rid of the American people to hire

00:04:33.640 the replacements, which they are at, I don't know, 30, a third to 40 percent lower and to work

00:04:41.020 unlivable conditions. But we're here today. And Natalie Winters, my co-host, going to join me. Natalie's

00:04:47.360 been off doing some research for the last couple of days. Natalie, we're going to be joined by Will Upton

00:04:53.120 a little bit later. We've got a lot to go through here. And also this bizarre report the White House

00:04:58.040 put out on white Christian nationalists hating on Muslims. We'll get to all that. I want to make 0.94

00:05:07.100 a statement, Natalie, as you go up, because you've gone and started to go through this now, the actual

00:05:10.600 data. To me, there is no, all immigration coming to this country right now is illegal. There's no legal

00:05:18.280 immigration. Of course, the 10 to 15 million, just on Biden's watch, he got in through here and it

00:05:24.240 keeps going every day. We're going to go in the next hour to Ben Burquam down at, I think he's still

00:05:30.440 in San Diego. We're going to go Ben down for an update on how the Biden regime is pushing people

00:05:35.780 through and across, even at this late stage when they should put their pencils down. But also on

00:05:41.020 what's called legal immigration, when you actually go through here and look at it, it's all illegal

00:05:46.980 because every part of the system is gamed and the numbers are staggering. It's not the little

00:05:51.380 numbers they put out. This has been a huge, this is a huge thing in the first term. The reason it

00:05:56.700 hasn't taken such prominence until recently is that we were overwhelmed with 10 to 15 million

00:06:01.960 illegal alien invaders and you've got to get them out of the country. They're going to sink the 1.00

00:06:05.280 country. But all this other illegal immigration, that's what it is. There is no legal immigration in

00:06:10.920 this country right now. We should stop using that term. And the Republicans have got to stop using

00:06:15.840 that as a, it's like, oh, until we get to entitlements, we can't control spending. This is

00:06:21.320 the same thing. Oh, well, I hate illegal immigration, but I support legal immigration. No, you do. What

00:06:26.420 you support is basically the replacement of the American citizen, regardless of their race or 0.71

00:06:32.340 ethnicity, with foreigners, regardless of their race or ethnicity. This is no shot against the Chinese

00:06:38.480 people and certainly no shot against the Indian people. Natalie, walk us through whatever way you

00:06:43.760 think is the best to walk it through, because I know your head's been blowing up for the last 72

00:06:47.060 hours, ma'am. Sure. I mean, it's not just illegal, it's immoral. And it's an affront to the idea that

00:06:53.140 the United States of America is a sovereign nation. I would sort of draw a parallel in the same way that

00:06:58.680 we saw legalized fraud in the 2020 election, of course, at the behest of all the tech bros,

00:07:04.040 the Mark Zuckerberg's funding, you know, the private ballot, get out the vote operations in

00:07:08.540 exclusively Democrat areas. Like, yes, I guess it was technically legal for the laws we have on the

00:07:13.100 books, but there was no demonstrable benefit, right, to citizens of the United States or to

00:07:17.520 holding a free and fair election. But I think we have to be very serious and approach this issue

00:07:21.880 with the gravity and severity that it deserves. What do I mean by that? This is the culture war,

00:07:27.640 right? I know conservatives love to get distracted by the bathrooms and the shiny toys, 0.98

00:07:31.660 you know, the target pride displays and stuff like that. But the issue of the H-1B visa and more

00:07:38.720 broadly legal immigration, I think it really comes down to two of the themes that we have focused

00:07:43.000 most intensely on the show, that being transhumanism and globalism, two ideologies that I think plague 0.95

00:07:49.060 that sort of tech bro ruling class. And why do I say that? Because what they are essentially trying

00:07:54.440 to do with absolute disregard for the lived reality, the lived experience of their fellow American

00:08:00.000 citizens and workers is essentially terraform the United States into a, you know, pro-business colony

00:08:06.960 where the only thing that matters is profit maximization for corporations that truly to

00:08:12.420 their core detest this country while simultaneously, I would argue, bioengineering a workforce that

00:08:19.280 I guess at the end of the day they want us all living in, you know, pods with neural links in our

00:08:24.020 brains where the paragon of success and the only variable that matters is the bottom line for

00:08:29.500 corporations that, like I said, to their core hate this country, right? The legal immigration system,

00:08:36.460 I frankly look at it as a sort of version of, you know, cap and trade with carbon emissions,

00:08:40.760 but for humanity, which essentially neglects the idea that citizenship means something,

00:08:47.240 right? The average American worker, and we're going to get into all the facts,

00:08:50.400 is treated like roadkill by people, the CEOs of these tech companies, the staffing companies,

00:08:57.360 the IT companies, though. I think that's frankly a more honorable death because at least they don't

00:09:02.580 have to train their replacements. I mean, it's like a 21st century Mayan sacrifice where we have to train 0.83

00:09:09.600 people from third world countries that frankly, when you look at the data, they're not more qualified. 0.73

00:09:14.660 They're not more qualified because they're being taught by their American replacees to take their 0.99

00:09:20.020 jobs. It is an abusive relationship, and I think legal immigration encapsulates the way that the 0.99

00:09:25.860 American people have been gaslit for so long that we need to have this sort of codependent relationship

00:09:32.020 with the globalist world, with the global world, with the global government, the idea that we need to

00:09:38.000 import massive numbers. And by the way, Steve, in trying to get all of the data and the numbers to

00:09:44.660 actually sort of flush out the contours of this program, it's very similar to trying to get to

00:09:49.820 the bottom of the origins of COVID-19. The data is not readily available because they don't want it to

00:09:55.360 be, because they know if they made it easier to make the case if the American people could actually

00:10:00.140 see these numbers in whole, there would literally be revolution. And I say that in all sincerity.

00:10:05.280 But I want to start with just some of the lies, these sort of, I guess you would call it the

00:10:09.400 original sin of this. Hold on, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on. I want

00:10:15.260 to go back to that for a second. There's nobody better that you put on the case than Natalie Winters

00:10:20.180 when you got to research something and get down to the bottom of it. I mean, she seriously loves

00:10:24.700 spending a Saturday night going through federal reports and documents. That's her idea of a good time.

00:10:29.320 Um, talk to me about that. There's nobody better. And when you come back and say,

00:10:34.060 this is the most, they obscure this, they go out of their way to block any kind of rational human

00:10:40.340 being from actually seeing what's going on here. Just give us an example of that and what you had

00:10:45.220 to do to kind of even start the process of digging out the information. Sure. Well, for starters, we don't

00:10:51.200 even know how many people are overstaying their visas, right? So even if you want to look through

00:10:55.920 the matrix, just of the H one B or the optional practical training, there's also the whole entire

00:11:01.140 slate of the E one through five visas. There's the L one, there's the F one. You have no idea to know, 0.75

00:11:08.240 even if you're looking through the legal paradigm of people who have been granted, right? Those visa

00:11:12.720 applications, they don't track the number of people who overstay them for starters. The actual number

00:11:19.340 of people who are taking these non-immigrant or immigrant visas, it's like stored on two separate

00:11:25.040 computers at USCIS where they can't even cross reference the data. But Steve, this is a pattern

00:11:31.680 of behavior that the sort of whatever you want to call it, the permanent political class, the moneyed

00:11:36.620 interest, big business, in this case, it's big tech narrative and information warfare that they've

00:11:41.460 been waging all the way back to the nineties. And why do I say that to get super granular? For example,

00:11:47.680 there was this tech lobbying industry group that was set up the Information Technology Association of

00:11:54.320 America. They put out this long form report basically saying that, oh, there's such a shortage

00:11:59.760 of American workers. We need to import a bunch of Indians to code. And then, of course, they partnered 1.00

00:12:06.260 with then Clinton's Department of Commerce. They hosted a huge convention. The commerce secretary

00:12:12.480 actually spoke at the event. New York Times gave it, I think it was a 3000 word cover story.

00:12:18.280 And it was fear porn. It was propaganda, the idea that if we don't import people from every other 0.98

00:12:23.880 country, that America is going to fall by the wayside. And it turned out that if you actually

00:12:29.160 dug in to the numbers, that per the Government Accountability Office, and I quote, serious analytical

00:12:36.460 and methodological weaknesses and all of the evidence that they were using for the study, it was unfounded.

00:12:42.600 It was never there. And you can replicate this sort of just bogus scientific approach to all of the

00:12:48.840 studies that, like I said, drafted that original sin, the idea that the H-1B, all this stuff rests 0.98

00:12:55.160 upon that there's a shortage of American workers. There's a study that Bill Gates always loves to cite,

00:13:00.660 the Chamber of Commerce, all the sort of DC think tanks, where they say that, oh, well, every H-1B that's

00:13:06.400 hired results in five American jobs. Well, what that doesn't tell you is that when they were running

00:13:12.460 those numbers, they purposely excluded all of the IT outsourcing companies like Infosys, Tata, Wipro,

00:13:19.680 all of those companies, they only selectively chose the companies to pull from. There was no correlation.

00:13:26.000 And then even if you actually used that logic, that track record, you were getting over 100% in terms of

00:13:32.620 jobs being brought into the United States, so it didn't comport. Moreover, there was a separate study that Mark

00:13:38.200 Zuckerberg loved to tout, again, the Chamber of Commerce, all these groups where they were saying

00:13:42.980 that there were 2.6 more jobs for every foreign-born STEM tech person who comes into the United States.

00:13:49.620 Well, it's so funny because the researcher who did that report, when she initially hit back to all of

00:13:55.840 her tech overlords with her initial findings, which showed, well, just the exact opposite,

00:13:59.920 they purposely told her to reorient the data sets to look only at a certain time frame to get an idea

00:14:06.780 where they say that there's, like I said, 2.62 more United States workers or jobs for every foreigner

00:14:13.220 that you import. And if you go through the data, it is all bogus science. And there's more myths that

00:14:20.060 I'd love to get into. I don't have the show. Hang on. Hang on. We're getting it all. Will Upton's

00:14:27.800 going to join us. Natalie Winters is on a roll. She's into the numbers and she can tell you by the

00:14:34.920 facts that the tech bros, the South African tech bros are bald-faced liars. Short commercial break 0.99

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00:16:11.200 Just to steel man of Vivek's argument, for the record, I'm very much against H-1Bs, and I think 1.00

00:16:16.820 this tweet could have been worded differently. But don't we see some truth in what Vivek was saying,

00:16:22.000 and I'll start with Blake, that there has been this slow-motion decline in the mediocrity,

00:16:28.780 that there has been this acceptance that we're no longer going to pursue excellence,

00:16:33.040 that we're no longer going to be the best at things anymore.

00:16:36.260 Come on, Charlie. We almost had you all the way there. That was Charlie Kirk. Charlie Kirk

00:16:44.520 coming down to the fact that we don't need to import foreign workers because the American 0.52

00:16:51.480 workers are as good or better. As good or better. Certainly not worse. We're getting more of that.

00:16:58.040 No, Vivek's thing was, no, Charlie, it was terrible from start to finish. Natalie, you're back with us.

00:17:05.080 Will Upton wrote an incredible piece today on the Daily, on National Pulse. I'm going to toss over

00:17:11.400 you, and let's drill down on Will's piece. Ma'am.

00:17:15.180 Sure. Well, I would just say to Vivek, I've been told what, because I'm an American, I don't know

00:17:20.320 how to sit down and study and research. Well, I think last segment probably just disproved that.

00:17:26.940 I've always been more of a supporter of jock culture, though I don't think they're mutually

00:17:30.740 exclusive with valedictorian culture. All that aside, we'll get into some more myths that those

00:17:37.020 lovely tech bros have been spinning.

00:17:39.560 But hang on. But hang on. But ho, ho, ho, ho. Stop, stop. Because this gets back to Mo.

00:17:44.340 You came up in that Southern California culture of intense women's athletics. I mean, you were a 1.00

00:17:48.900 great volleyball player. And his whole hit on the sleepovers. I mean, come on. It was so offensive.

00:17:54.600 And Mo, no, because here's one of the powers of Title IX in the sports. The girls play these 1.00

00:17:59.900 team sports now that their moms probably never had an opportunity to play. And the scale of it is

00:18:04.980 huge. It leads to people that really know how to compete. I mean, jock culture to me in the United

00:18:10.640 States is fantastic. And it's particularly been, I think, great for young women, particularly after

00:18:15.480 Title IX. I mean, my two sisters were terrific. My older brother and my dad were great athletes,

00:18:20.460 as was my kid brother. I was not, I would say, a good athlete. But they were great. And my dad,

00:18:27.940 just the thinking at the time, my two sisters were not that involved in athletics. They just

00:18:32.340 weren't. It was just not a thing. Although in your generation in Mo, in Southern California,

00:18:37.660 all the little girls played team sports. It was very intense from an early age. And you saw as they

00:18:41.700 went on, it's how you build leadership. It was quite extraordinary. I think Title IX, that's one of the

00:18:47.280 reasons, as you know, Natalie, we fight so hard for it, given the fact that the transgender, 1.00

00:18:52.840 you know, the transgender movement tried to destroy it. But you saw right there, 0.99

00:18:55.800 the jock culture that infused kind of for little girls back in the 80s and 90s and early 2000s

00:19:02.140 was the reason I think we have so many assertive young women today that really take charge and have 1.00

00:19:07.820 tremendous leadership. And I kind of saw it from the beginning with Mo.

00:19:10.980 Well, I mean, I think it goes back to what you view the United States of America as.

00:19:16.280 Do you view it as a shell company, a holding company for the vested interests of the globalist

00:19:21.320 ruling class where children need to be raised from day one, how they can become the best maximizers of

00:19:27.580 profit and value for corporations that to their core hate this country? Or are they human beings,

00:19:34.400 right, chosen and birthed and come into this world by the hand of God who should be allowed to,

00:19:39.500 I don't know, engage in sports, have a life outside of being an indentured servant like so 1.00

00:19:45.000 many of these HB1 or their spouses on the H4 visas, the lives that they live. Again, no shade to them. 0.98

00:19:51.460 I'm sure you and I are enterprising people. We would be doing the same thing. But the idea that

00:19:56.880 American people have to compete with essentially modern day slaves in order to, quote unquote, 0.71

00:20:03.220 be successful is offensive and it's wrong. And if you want to do that, fine, go do that in another

00:20:10.000 country that's not the United States of America. The founding fathers were the founding fathers

00:20:15.340 because they appreciated individual liberty and freedom and they had other things going on in

00:20:21.180 their lives. They loved the idea of community and culture and township and kinship, not the idea that

00:20:26.980 it was all about boosting profits for, I don't know, the British empire, insert the new tech

00:20:32.140 oligopoly into that sort of matrix, that critique there. But it's so insulting. And Steve, to the core

00:20:38.980 of it, it's also just a bald-faced lie that I reject the premise, right? When you look at the data,

00:20:45.660 which, like I said, is not readily available, these foreign workers that they're importing, 1.00

00:20:50.820 even if job culture were bad, are not even better, right? I mean, seriously, when you look at the

00:20:56.760 numbers, since before President Trump took office, Steve, 72% of STEM engineers that have been hired

00:21:04.480 in Silicon Valley under the age of like 46 or 50 are foreign born. Over half of American STEM graduates

00:21:12.660 will never work in STEM fields. And the people who are involved on the sick, awful, sinister side of

00:21:20.560 dark side of this trade, this IT staffing companies, they know it. The CEO of Emphasis admitted

00:21:26.500 in 2016, there are enough universities, enough ability to hire, enough ability to teach from the

00:21:32.020 United States of America. That's a direct quote. And when they did a whole analysis, when they were able

00:21:37.500 to get some comparative review between American workers in terms of literacy, their ability to

00:21:42.540 understand numbers and code and all of that, which, like I said, are numbers that are not readily

00:21:46.480 available. There's a chart you can put up on screen. Domestic workers outpaced the foreign born ones

00:21:53.200 by every single measure, in some cases, many times over. And by the way, Steve, when you look at who

00:21:59.760 they're importing, 83% of the people that they're importing for, at least for the H-1B category,

00:22:06.420 are all condemned to below the 50% mark of what the average American tech worker makes.

00:22:14.100 So spare me the idea that we're importing the best and the brightest. And when you amortize it,

00:22:20.200 when you look at it in terms of levels of skill, only 6% of the H-1Bs that they're importing

00:22:27.540 fall under the quote unquote fully competent level per GAO analysis. So the idea that because I had

00:22:35.940 sleepovers when I was a kid, therefore renders me eligible to be replaced by someone who doesn't speak

00:22:42.820 English, doesn't know the code and is probably lying and is part of a visa system that is used

00:22:48.060 for human trafficking and child trafficking and labor abuses and horrific crimes that are a stain

00:22:53.780 on this country, is absolutely insulting on so many levels, not just by Vivek, but by the big

00:23:01.120 business interests on both sides who are pushing it. And you're seeing it today. And I'll bring Will in

00:23:06.840 if I can with this just idiotic, I guess you're now allowed to say the word retarded, but I'll use it, 1.00

00:23:12.640 this retarded Dignity Act that's co-sponsored and led by Republican Maria Salazar, who's the worst, 0.99

00:23:20.440 a complete listless vessel for open borders, amnesty agenda, and big business.

00:23:26.100 But Will, tell the audience what House Republicans are currently pushing for as we speak in terms of

00:23:32.320 granting amnesty and welcoming even more hordes of illegal invaders while continuously opening the

00:23:38.420 door to legal invaders too, all oxymorons aside. Yeah, thanks for having me on, Natalie. Yeah,

00:23:46.200 the Dignity Act, much like the supposed border security bill that we saw, you know, late last

00:23:53.120 year, that was actually just a bunch of funding for Ukraine and for Israel and for Taiwan,

00:23:58.160 then a jobs program for illegal immigrants coming over the border. It's a bit of an oxymoron. So 0.93

00:24:04.160 there's actually three parts of this that are really horrendous. It creates three new federal

00:24:08.800 programs. One is essentially the DREAM Act, which was pushed by, you know, Barack Obama and the

00:24:15.280 Democrats in the early mid-2000s, which would basically create a pathway to permanent residency

00:24:20.660 for illegal immigrant minors who were brought into the United States either by their parents or by

00:24:25.860 human traffickers or whatever, what have you. The other component of this bill is something that

00:24:32.440 Salazar has dubbed the Dignity Program. So this would prevent the immediate deportation of illegal

00:24:39.520 immigrants who are employed, lack of criminal record, and then pay, voluntarily pay into this 1.00

00:24:45.420 federal fund that will go towards the retraining of U.S. workers, American citizen workers. And I would note

00:24:54.460 that even Chris Hayes over at MSNBC has acknowledged that these job retraining programs, unless it's a

00:25:02.460 similar industry or a similar sector, don't actually work. These people aren't getting, you know, new jobs.

00:25:09.320 You're not retraining coal miners to work in high tech and vice versa. This isn't something that 0.97

00:25:14.080 actually really functions. It's a way for the government to kind of give itself a fig leaf here

00:25:18.480 and say they're trying to help American workers while they continue to import cheap foreign labor.

00:25:23.940 The third program it creates is the Redemption Program. This would grant permanent resident status

00:25:31.240 to illegal immigrants who actually contribute to the Dignity Program. So this is sort of the third 0.81

00:25:37.200 stage of an eventual amnesty kind of plot that's laid out in this bill. You know, again, you're right,

00:25:46.460 this is about importing cheap foreign labor. And the other sort of concerning component of the

00:25:53.120 Dignity Act is Salazar is proposing to increase the country caps under the H-1B visa from 7 percent to

00:26:01.600 15 percent, which is more than doubling the country caps. And this would have, I think, a very detrimental

00:26:07.220 impact, especially with, you know, companies like Infosys that are tied to India and are very focused on

00:26:13.300 importing Indian immigrants into the United States to sort of work at these, you know, tech companies.

00:26:17.980 They may only have like three months of sort of a boot camp coding training. And then they've lied on

00:26:22.520 their resume. They've lied about their academic backgrounds. So essentially, this would allow

00:26:27.440 India to further dominate the H-1B system and sort of let them eat up more space within it and enrich 0.99

00:26:33.460 these companies like Infosys and Cognizant and others. So that's sort of the really concerning

00:26:39.100 components of this bill. And again, they give it the fig leaf of the worker retraining program.

00:26:44.120 But they also give it a fig leaf over, I think it's a five or six year budget window,

00:26:48.980 a $25 billion towards, you know, border security infrastructure, hiring on more Customs and Border

00:26:54.240 Patrol agents, and hiring on more immigration judges and support staff, which are all good things.

00:26:59.060 Like, let's do that as a standalone bill. We don't need the lifting of the H-1B visa caps. We don't need

00:27:04.840 the dignity program. We don't need the redemption program. You know, it's just otherwise...

00:27:10.800 Hey, Will, hang on one second. Natalie, hang on one second. We're going to go to break. I want to...

00:27:15.900 Because they're having the conference, they're going to go out to Fort McNair on Saturday

00:27:19.300 to talk about one reconciliation versus the other, and also Johnson. I guess Johnson tomorrow will

00:27:24.940 talk about that. My question to Will Upton when we get back is how realistic is it? Is this going

00:27:30.960 to be tucked into a reconciliation? Independent, all of it. Anyway, hang on. Natalie Winters,

00:27:34.940 who just dropped the bomb of all bombs. 72% of STEM workers are foreign or not... Americans

00:27:42.340 not going to work in STEM after going and taking all their education in that. You see the lies.

00:27:47.220 There is no legal immigration into this country. It is all 100% a scam, and that's why the war 1.00

00:27:53.300 room is calling for a 100% moratorium on all immigration. Until we sort this mess out and put 0.98

00:28:00.820 the American people, the American worker, and particularly the American citizen first.

00:28:05.120 Short commercial break. Back with Will Upton and Natalie Winters in a moment.

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00:30:15.820 Will Upton, this weekend's conference with the Republican House, is this going to get slid

00:30:22.940 into the reconciliation? Because we're talking about maybe two. We want two. We want one that's

00:30:29.320 just the border energy. Maybe throw in a little defense, but taxes and that will come later.

00:30:34.220 Is this going to get slid? Is she going to make a presentation? I mean, is this thing real?

00:30:37.620 Or is this the type of thing they just put out so they can get the War Room's head blown up and,

00:30:41.900 you know, Natalie doing research all weekend and me yelling into a microphone, sir?

00:30:47.920 No, it's, I told you, Lex, it's very real. You know, the concern is, is that they're going to try

00:30:53.680 to slip this into the reconciliation bill. You know, Representative Salazar didn't just come up

00:30:58.800 with this on her own. She's got some very, very powerful backers on this bill. She even admits it

00:31:03.720 on her website that she wrote this in consultation with, you know, big ag, with the farming industry,

00:31:10.140 with immigration reform groups who are actually just, you know, pro-mass immigration,

00:31:15.140 open border, progressive nonprofits. So she's added, there's some firepower behind this piece

00:31:20.320 of legislation. And the concern is, you know, it could end up in the reconciliation bill,

00:31:24.320 sort of like we saw with the CR, the 1,500-page CR, where there was some random pieces of legislation

00:31:32.120 that have been sort of sitting around Congress for the better part of a year or two that just sort

00:31:35.760 of popped up in it in their entirety. So that's the concern is that it'll get tough this weekend

00:31:40.980 and we could see this sort of amnesty plan, this clandestine amnesty plan that's, again,

00:31:47.080 parading as a border bill get snuck into the continuing resolution, which would be very, very bad.

00:31:53.860 Well, we can get Will Upton. Will was in the Treasury Department in President Trump's first term.

00:31:58.640 We strongly advocate that he be in a senior position in the second. We'll see over the

00:32:03.280 next couple of weeks. Will, in the meantime, you're at National Pulse helping out Raheem.

00:32:08.300 Where do people go to get your writings and get the National Pulse is the place I go first in the

00:32:12.100 morning? I guess after CFP, I guess CFP is the first and National Pulse is second. Where do folks go?

00:32:19.180 Yeah, so it's thenationalpulse.com. We're entire user supported and reader supported. So our readers

00:32:24.920 through subscriptions and through donations helps us produce this work. Unlike Representative

00:32:32.620 Salazar, who's obviously bought and paid for, it seems like, by corporations and progressive

00:32:38.520 immigration groups. So we don't have any major donors. We don't have advertisements or anything.

00:32:45.920 We're entirely subscription-based. So I would encourage everybody to subscribe if you want

00:32:49.540 to continue seeing original research like we did with the Dignity Act. Thank you, brother.

00:32:55.800 Appreciate you. And everything Raheem and the team over at National Pulse. So, Natalie, you kind of

00:33:01.020 started as an intern at the National Pulse. It's one of the ways Raheem taught you how to do research,

00:33:05.580 not. Give us your assessment. I want to go back to your statistic, but I want to tie them to

00:33:12.040 Salazar's bill. Folks, please understand this. If you go to National Pulse and read it,

00:33:17.160 or if you're shocked about what Will Upton just told you is a Republican bill, understand when Will

00:33:23.420 Upton says this has a lot of firepower back of it, this is the biggest, where the biggest donors are

00:33:28.740 coming in for the Dignity bill. This is exactly what they're going to try to slip in to make sure

00:33:33.960 that, oh yeah, we're going to have a border bill and we're going to take care of the border. And

00:33:37.540 they're going to have some lipstick on that to say, yeah, we're going to deport some people,

00:33:40.840 which they'll never end up doing. But they're going to codify in here, Natalie,

00:33:44.580 what destroys American workers. And this is not the progressive left. This is not,

00:33:51.040 they've got elements of it. They're working with them. They've got elements of it because

00:33:54.180 you have the congressman, I think, down from El Paso, Texas, who's one of the most radical.

00:33:58.340 She's the co-sponsor. But this is a Republican bill, ma'am.

00:34:03.420 I think, yeah, the congressman who had videos leaked showing that she was helping aid and abet

00:34:08.240 illegal aliens. Yeah, I think that's the one. I always say I like my border bills and my 1.00

00:34:13.040 immigration policy opposed and, you know, protested by the SPLC, the ACLU, all the left-wing

00:34:19.500 groups. So if it's not, that's typically a telltale sign that it's bad. But I mean,

00:34:25.000 people shouldn't be shocked, right? This is business as usual in Washington, D.C. And it's

00:34:29.400 absolutely disgusting. I'm sorry. I'm just going to say it. But these companies, the infosices of the

00:34:35.020 world, the lobbyists that they have, the people who lie, the Salazar's, they are the scum of the 1.00

00:34:41.020 earth. And I truly, truly, truly mean that. And in the same way that we've been sitting here all day 1.00

00:34:46.660 and saying, wow, wouldn't it be great if, I don't know, like the FBI or the intel community, instead

00:34:51.440 of focusing on MAGA grandmas and Catholic churches, actually focused on, I don't know, radical Islamic

00:34:56.680 terrorism. Well, wouldn't it be nice if our elected officials in the Department of, I don't know,

00:35:01.640 homeland security, emphasis on homeland, Department of Labor, Department of Commerce actually did the

00:35:07.940 same for the American workers. And in the same way that Islam does not mean peace, but it means

00:35:13.340 submission counter to what you're told on MSNBC, dignity and unity and all these stupid things 0.98

00:35:19.200 that the Maria Salazar's of the world push on us, they don't mean that. They mean a complete and utter 1.00

00:35:24.140 capitulation and destruction of this country, right? They say, right, Steve, I'm sure what I just said

00:35:30.560 will get smeared by MSNBC, by whoever. Oh, we're so nativist, we're so xenophobic. Well, in the same

00:35:36.880 way that it's not us who's waging war on China with tariffs, right? It's not the trade, it's not Trump's

00:35:42.360 trade war. In the same way that it's not retribution that we won against the deep state, it's justice.

00:35:48.040 It's just the idea that America is a country where our elected officials should actually do something

00:35:54.320 for our citizens who, what, 40 percent don't even have $400 in a bank account, and you want to ram

00:36:01.000 through tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of foreigners, when one half of Americans who have

00:36:07.260 STEM degrees will never be able to get a job in that field? Well, 72 percent of people over the age

00:36:14.220 of, or under the age of 46 working in Silicon Valley are foreign-born, and that of the foreigners

00:36:21.260 that they're importing, only 6 percent of them constitute the highest, most skilled class,

00:36:25.880 and here's a number, I'll raise you this, Steve, that everyone who's listening to this show

00:36:29.840 should be so mad about. Since the pandemic, jobs, occupation, employment for foreign-born people 0.98

00:36:36.780 has gone up by 4.4 million, and for domestic, actual American citizens, it has fallen, a net loss

00:36:45.700 of 833,000. That's about a net spread of 5 million jobs. I mean, let that sink in. And by the way,

00:36:57.140 the people that they're importing are the ones who are, what, writing the code that are now censoring

00:37:02.000 American citizens, ripping off people because, what, Elon doesn't agree with them on X? Yeah, 1.00

00:37:07.680 maybe if you import people from cultures that don't appreciate, what is it, the Anglo-Saxon tradition

00:37:12.240 of debate and free speech, and they're essentially indentured servants where they know they can't

00:37:16.780 whistleblow, maybe that's how you get such corrupt tech companies and tech policies coming out of

00:37:22.680 Silicon Valley. And by the way, the real tell in all of this, as scuzzy and scummy as Hunter Biden was, 0.77

00:37:28.960 even he wasn't involved in the whole H-1B selling visa fiasco, right? And I think the most offensive

00:37:36.020 part of this, Steve, is that our elected officials, Maria Salazar included, they will stand up there

00:37:42.080 and hype and stress the importance of sovereignty when it comes to Ukraine. The fight that we could

00:37:48.660 mount to actually defend the American worker is 1,000 times more winnable than Ukraine in terms of 0.83

00:37:55.180 the chances that they ever had defeating Russia. So maybe we should do what they've done to American 0.99

00:38:00.280 workers here, and maybe we should take the brilliant idea of what, importing Russians to go fight for 0.62

00:38:05.740 Ukraine, because apparently that's what we're doing here, right? All these tech oligarchs who tell us

00:38:10.600 the reason why we need to import foreigners is so we can be competitive with China, who what,

00:38:15.380 then don't support delisting them from the stock exchange. The number two largest country in terms

00:38:20.480 of receiving H-1B visas is China, a country that actively has national security law that stipulates

00:38:27.080 that any one of their citizens can be requisitioned for any national security purpose by the Chinese

00:38:32.640 Communist Party at any time. And by the way, Microsoft, who's very involved in this, Bill Gates is one of the

00:38:38.540 key lobbyists for H-1B expansion. If you really want to take down the Chinese Communist Party,

00:38:44.160 because apparently that's the justification that you're giving for destroying the livelihoods

00:38:48.960 of millions of American people, well, you're also the same company that literally built Windows China

00:38:55.180 Government Edition, which is what the Chinese Communist Party runs on. And that's how all these tech

00:39:00.060 companies have made most of their profits, selling out and shilling to the Chinese Communist Party.

00:39:05.240 And now they want to rub it in your face and say that to be competitive against China, you need to

00:39:10.580 siege your sovereignty and cheapen the value of American citizenship. And then, Steve, to just to seal

00:39:16.260 it all up in a nice bow. They're now going to call it the Dignity Act and say that you, as an American

00:39:22.520 citizen, if you don't want to open your door to every illegal or legal migrant under the sun who is less 0.98

00:39:29.440 skilled than you and is going to take your children and your grandchildren's job, that you're a nativist and that

00:39:34.860 you're a bad person. And you can tell I'm really fired up about this. I don't usually get like

00:39:39.360 this. But it's days like these where you really question what does it even mean to be American if

00:39:47.040 the government that is supposedly representing you is actively working to sabotage your ability

00:39:54.120 to make a living, to have a family, to be able to just live a free and prosperous life because they

00:40:00.500 would rather make a quick buck off of exploiting foreigners who don't really even speak English 1.00

00:40:06.240 and are not more skilled or talented than you. It is absolutely despicable. And these people truly 0.98

00:40:12.440 are the scum of the earth. And I mean that. Full L.A. culture, full jock culture, it's disgusting. 1.00

00:40:21.160 Give me a minute on the fact that the facts here are you can't debate the facts.

00:40:26.160 They're overwhelming. But they still try to gaslight you. They still try to gaslight you with

00:40:30.560 these are high. These are highly skilled foreign workers. We need highly skilled

00:40:34.860 foreign workers. You see it over and over and over. Is that a bald face lie, ma'am? 0.99

00:40:39.620 It is because every H-1B visa application that gets rejected is then just filled by an American

00:40:45.060 citizen. Right. It's absolutely absurd. And like I said, the only actual analysis that they've given 0.90

00:40:51.420 in terms of comparing foreign and domestic workers shows that domestic workers outperform

00:40:56.720 their foreign counterparts, obviously, because they're American and they speak English and they

00:41:02.720 graduated from American institutions, not random diploma mills from third world countries. It's

00:41:08.880 so obvious national security risks aside. But like I said, Steve, you could even make a tenfold,

00:41:15.680 a hundredfold times stronger case than what I'm making now. But they purposely strip the data.

00:41:20.680 And the real tell is that I don't see any of these huge tech guys putting out massive mega

00:41:26.080 threads talking about how H-1B people are so great and are more talented. The threads are that,

00:41:32.320 well, it's actually not that much more expensive. Like, okay.

00:41:36.560 Well, we're, we're waiting for David Sachs. We're waiting for the South Africans. Where are the South 1.00

00:41:41.680 Africans? Where are the South Africans? Teal, David Sachs, Elon, where are the South Africans when you need 0.99

00:41:48.540 them? South, white South Africans are going to tell the United States what in the hell to do. 0.99

00:41:53.440 That's, that's, that's lovely. They've had such a great track record in South Africa.

00:41:59.980 Short commercial break. Back in the warm in just a moment.

00:42:02.580 Okay. Top of the hour. We're going to go to the border. I've got a lot to get through. Also,

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00:43:52.820 Rebels, Rogues, and Outlaws. I don't know where they got that from. How can Natalie Werners ever

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00:44:07.580 Go to the site. Read up. Never order anything until you're fully comfortable that you know this

00:44:13.560 is. I take the grass-fed beef liver. Okay, Natalie, you've done so much work and you've already

00:44:18.900 blown heads up. Your stuff's already going viral here in this first hour. And I want to make sure

00:44:23.560 we play 10 any time tomorrow because if you like today, there's a lot more where that came from.

00:44:28.000 Natalie, give us a heads up of what we're going to do at 10 o'clock tomorrow morning.

00:44:32.120 Well, look, I don't think I've achieved full outlaw status yet. I think you only get that for

00:44:36.740 serving four months in Danbury. I identify as more of a rebel. But if congressional Republicans

00:44:43.460 aren't working overtime enough to, what, destroy this country, the Biden regime is secretly,

00:44:49.280 clandestinely, using weird code and regulation, particularly through DOJ and DHS, to transform

00:44:56.720 immigration policy sort of through three main silos. One is for H-1B, H-2B reform. You can imagine who

00:45:03.940 they're benefiting with those changes. They're also kind of gumming up the whole asylum system 0.91

00:45:08.900 in terms of the interplay between judges and asylum officers. And I'll leave the audience with this.

00:45:14.940 In case you thought that being an American citizen met that, I don't know, your government would try

00:45:20.580 to protect you from national security crises and public health emergencies, well, you'd be severely

00:45:26.440 mistaken because the Biden regime is actively lobbying and actually essentially implementing a role

00:45:32.700 through DOJ and DHS to delay the implementation of a rule that would allow border patrol, border agents

00:45:42.300 to deny migrants admission into this country who may pose a danger to the United States because they 1.00

00:45:49.060 are or represent a public health crisis or public health emergency. So I don't know how that quite

00:45:54.780 squares with the idea of being a sovereign nation. But apparently migrants with communicable diseases,

00:46:00.540 you can't even kick those people out anymore under Joe Biden. That's too radical a proposition.

00:46:06.060 So we'll be getting into all of that. And believe me, much more where all of this came from tomorrow.

00:46:12.540 Natalie is not a rebel and she's not an outlaw. She's a rogue. That's where she fits into the 0.95

00:46:17.420 War Room production team here. And so guys, when you call Natalie and pitch the idea of a dinner and a

00:46:24.060 movie on a Saturday night and she tells you, no, I've got to go through the Federal Register, she's not

00:46:28.840 kidding. She would blow you off of saying, I'm washing my hair. When she says I'm going through the Federal

00:46:33.920 Register, she means it. Natalie, what is your social media so everybody can catch up with you between now and

00:46:38.480 tomorrow?

00:46:39.400 Well, I'm still on X as of now. I don't know after this show if I will be, but it's Natalie G.

00:46:44.260 Winters on Instagram, Twitter, Facebook, all the places. Thank you, Steve, for having me.

00:46:48.480 Always an honor to co-host with you.

00:46:51.720 Thank you, hon. And probably they're going to do to you what they did to Laura Loomer to bury it or

00:46:56.400 do whatever it is. I forget all the techniques that, you know, Elon has a glass jaw, so you can't

00:47:02.160 handle Laura Loomer and Natalie Winters. That's okay. They're pretty tough customers. They can

00:47:06.240 buy an H-1B, so I'll take that.

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Bannon's War Room - January 03, 2025

Episode 4166： Johnson's Days Are Numbered; Are H1B Holders More Intelligent Than American Workers

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