Episode 4166： Johnson's Days Are Numbered; Are H1B Holders More Intelligent Than American Workers
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Stephen K. Bannon, Natalie Winters, and Will Upton discuss the latest in the Trump administration's response to a truck carrying illegal immigrants crossing the southern border, and how that may pave the way for some of President Trump's cabinet nominees.
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about the response from President-elect Trump, who trolled in outright misinformation and lies
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on social media yesterday, seizing upon an erroneous Fox News report that this truck had
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just come over the border, thinking that it was perhaps some sort of migrant behind the wheel.
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So talk to us about, frankly, how irresponsible that is and fear-mongering, but also the idea
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that this incident, with a new focus on national security, may actually ease the path for some
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of his cabinet nominations to get through. Yeah, I mean, the first reaction from President-elect
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Trump was to blame this on a border crossing that turned out to be based on an erroneous report
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that had to do with the rental of this truck. Ended up being corrected, but Trump's post did not end
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up being corrected. And then this morning, or I guess late last night, he continued to hammer away
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at this idea that things are out of control at the border. Now is the time for tough policies to be
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implemented and so on and so forth. Look, I don't want to excuse Trump, and I'm not. This is what
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we now expect from him, right? This is the reaction that we have come to anticipate in these moments,
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and it is what it is. He's not president yet, but we know that from past, this is how he reacts.
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In terms of his nominees, I think, ultimately, for the national security slate, and by that I mean
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Pete Hegseth, Tulsi Gabbard, Kash Patel at FBI, you can see the case where senators say he needs his team
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in quickly. And even though we might have some reservations about their views, their management
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experience, their past and personal lives, we need to push these nominations through. The one sort of caveat
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I would add is that when it comes to Kash Patel, it's not, obviously, he's a controversial nominee
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and so on. But he's likely to not be considered right away. The reason for that is that the Judiciary
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Committee in the Senate will likely go with the attorney general nomination first, and they can't
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do things simultaneously. So what we should expect is that Pam Bondi's consideration will happen before
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Kash Patel, which means that that might get pushed back to a couple weeks, potentially into February.
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So that's just from a timing perspective. But I would make the case, I would guess, that Republicans who
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may be on the fence about some of these nominees will ultimately be persuaded to be supportive in
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This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on
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these people. I got a free shot. All these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly
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full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop
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that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen. And where do people like that go to share
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the big line? MAGA media. I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
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Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country,
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It's Thursday, the 2nd of January, the year of our Lord, 2025. This is kind of a continuation of our
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morning show. We left you with this situation on the confirmations. Also, the selection of the
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Speaker of the House. Both of those are progressing. We have recommended, strongly recommended to the team
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from the beginning that they should be pushing for the confirmations to start right after President
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Trump is certified on the 6th. It should start Tuesday. They need Kash Patel in immediately.
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There's a tradition with Senator Grassley and his committee, Judiciary Committee, to wait 28 days
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after they get the paperwork. Paperwork of Kash has been filed. We can't wait for the 20 days.
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Pam Bondi could be ready to go next week. And then right after that, Kash Patel. So they're both ready
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to be sworn in immediately after President Trump. We're going to continue to push this. Pete Hegseth
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also. President Trump ought to have his national security and his, I think, his intelligence team,
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CIA, DNI, and FBI. Intelligence, counterintelligence, counterterrorism, all of it ready to go.
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We're here today, breaking news with Bernie Sanders. Bernie Sanders coming out and jumping on the tech
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bros about the lies and misrepresentations of really getting rid of the American people to hire
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the replacements, which they are at, I don't know, 30, a third to 40 percent lower and to work
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unlivable conditions. But we're here today. And Natalie Winters, my co-host, going to join me. Natalie's
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been off doing some research for the last couple of days. Natalie, we're going to be joined by Will Upton
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a little bit later. We've got a lot to go through here. And also this bizarre report the White House
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put out on white Christian nationalists hating on Muslims. We'll get to all that. I want to make
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a statement, Natalie, as you go up, because you've gone and started to go through this now, the actual
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data. To me, there is no, all immigration coming to this country right now is illegal. There's no legal
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immigration. Of course, the 10 to 15 million, just on Biden's watch, he got in through here and it
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keeps going every day. We're going to go in the next hour to Ben Burquam down at, I think he's still
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in San Diego. We're going to go Ben down for an update on how the Biden regime is pushing people
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through and across, even at this late stage when they should put their pencils down. But also on
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what's called legal immigration, when you actually go through here and look at it, it's all illegal
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because every part of the system is gamed and the numbers are staggering. It's not the little
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numbers they put out. This has been a huge, this is a huge thing in the first term. The reason it
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hasn't taken such prominence until recently is that we were overwhelmed with 10 to 15 million
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illegal alien invaders and you've got to get them out of the country. They're going to sink the
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country. But all this other illegal immigration, that's what it is. There is no legal immigration in
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this country right now. We should stop using that term. And the Republicans have got to stop using
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that as a, it's like, oh, until we get to entitlements, we can't control spending. This is
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the same thing. Oh, well, I hate illegal immigration, but I support legal immigration. No, you do. What
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you support is basically the replacement of the American citizen, regardless of their race or
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ethnicity, with foreigners, regardless of their race or ethnicity. This is no shot against the Chinese
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people and certainly no shot against the Indian people. Natalie, walk us through whatever way you
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think is the best to walk it through, because I know your head's been blowing up for the last 72
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hours, ma'am. Sure. I mean, it's not just illegal, it's immoral. And it's an affront to the idea that
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the United States of America is a sovereign nation. I would sort of draw a parallel in the same way that
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we saw legalized fraud in the 2020 election, of course, at the behest of all the tech bros,
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the Mark Zuckerberg's funding, you know, the private ballot, get out the vote operations in
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exclusively Democrat areas. Like, yes, I guess it was technically legal for the laws we have on the
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books, but there was no demonstrable benefit, right, to citizens of the United States or to
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holding a free and fair election. But I think we have to be very serious and approach this issue
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with the gravity and severity that it deserves. What do I mean by that? This is the culture war,
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right? I know conservatives love to get distracted by the bathrooms and the shiny toys,
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you know, the target pride displays and stuff like that. But the issue of the H-1B visa and more
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broadly legal immigration, I think it really comes down to two of the themes that we have focused
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most intensely on the show, that being transhumanism and globalism, two ideologies that I think plague
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that sort of tech bro ruling class. And why do I say that? Because what they are essentially trying
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to do with absolute disregard for the lived reality, the lived experience of their fellow American
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citizens and workers is essentially terraform the United States into a, you know, pro-business colony
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where the only thing that matters is profit maximization for corporations that truly to
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their core detest this country while simultaneously, I would argue, bioengineering a workforce that
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I guess at the end of the day they want us all living in, you know, pods with neural links in our
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brains where the paragon of success and the only variable that matters is the bottom line for
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corporations that, like I said, to their core hate this country, right? The legal immigration system,
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I frankly look at it as a sort of version of, you know, cap and trade with carbon emissions,
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but for humanity, which essentially neglects the idea that citizenship means something,
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right? The average American worker, and we're going to get into all the facts,
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is treated like roadkill by people, the CEOs of these tech companies, the staffing companies,
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the IT companies, though. I think that's frankly a more honorable death because at least they don't
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have to train their replacements. I mean, it's like a 21st century Mayan sacrifice where we have to train
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people from third world countries that frankly, when you look at the data, they're not more qualified.
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They're not more qualified because they're being taught by their American replacees to take their
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jobs. It is an abusive relationship, and I think legal immigration encapsulates the way that the
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American people have been gaslit for so long that we need to have this sort of codependent relationship
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with the globalist world, with the global world, with the global government, the idea that we need to
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import massive numbers. And by the way, Steve, in trying to get all of the data and the numbers to
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actually sort of flush out the contours of this program, it's very similar to trying to get to
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the bottom of the origins of COVID-19. The data is not readily available because they don't want it to
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be, because they know if they made it easier to make the case if the American people could actually
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see these numbers in whole, there would literally be revolution. And I say that in all sincerity.
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But I want to start with just some of the lies, these sort of, I guess you would call it the
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original sin of this. Hold on, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on. I want
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to go back to that for a second. There's nobody better that you put on the case than Natalie Winters
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when you got to research something and get down to the bottom of it. I mean, she seriously loves
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spending a Saturday night going through federal reports and documents. That's her idea of a good time.
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Um, talk to me about that. There's nobody better. And when you come back and say,
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this is the most, they obscure this, they go out of their way to block any kind of rational human
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being from actually seeing what's going on here. Just give us an example of that and what you had
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to do to kind of even start the process of digging out the information. Sure. Well, for starters, we don't
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even know how many people are overstaying their visas, right? So even if you want to look through
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the matrix, just of the H one B or the optional practical training, there's also the whole entire
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slate of the E one through five visas. There's the L one, there's the F one. You have no idea to know,
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even if you're looking through the legal paradigm of people who have been granted, right? Those visa
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applications, they don't track the number of people who overstay them for starters. The actual number
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of people who are taking these non-immigrant or immigrant visas, it's like stored on two separate
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computers at USCIS where they can't even cross reference the data. But Steve, this is a pattern
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of behavior that the sort of whatever you want to call it, the permanent political class, the moneyed
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interest, big business, in this case, it's big tech narrative and information warfare that they've
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been waging all the way back to the nineties. And why do I say that to get super granular? For example,
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there was this tech lobbying industry group that was set up the Information Technology Association of
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America. They put out this long form report basically saying that, oh, there's such a shortage
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of American workers. We need to import a bunch of Indians to code. And then, of course, they partnered
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with then Clinton's Department of Commerce. They hosted a huge convention. The commerce secretary
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actually spoke at the event. New York Times gave it, I think it was a 3000 word cover story.
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And it was fear porn. It was propaganda, the idea that if we don't import people from every other
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country, that America is going to fall by the wayside. And it turned out that if you actually
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dug in to the numbers, that per the Government Accountability Office, and I quote, serious analytical
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and methodological weaknesses and all of the evidence that they were using for the study, it was unfounded.
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It was never there. And you can replicate this sort of just bogus scientific approach to all of the
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studies that, like I said, drafted that original sin, the idea that the H-1B, all this stuff rests
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upon that there's a shortage of American workers. There's a study that Bill Gates always loves to cite,
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the Chamber of Commerce, all the sort of DC think tanks, where they say that, oh, well, every H-1B that's
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hired results in five American jobs. Well, what that doesn't tell you is that when they were running
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those numbers, they purposely excluded all of the IT outsourcing companies like Infosys, Tata, Wipro,
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all of those companies, they only selectively chose the companies to pull from. There was no correlation.
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And then even if you actually used that logic, that track record, you were getting over 100% in terms of
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jobs being brought into the United States, so it didn't comport. Moreover, there was a separate study that Mark
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Zuckerberg loved to tout, again, the Chamber of Commerce, all these groups where they were saying
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that there were 2.6 more jobs for every foreign-born STEM tech person who comes into the United States.
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Well, it's so funny because the researcher who did that report, when she initially hit back to all of
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her tech overlords with her initial findings, which showed, well, just the exact opposite,
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they purposely told her to reorient the data sets to look only at a certain time frame to get an idea
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where they say that there's, like I said, 2.62 more United States workers or jobs for every foreigner
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that you import. And if you go through the data, it is all bogus science. And there's more myths that
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I'd love to get into. I don't have the show. Hang on. Hang on. We're getting it all. Will Upton's
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going to join us. Natalie Winters is on a roll. She's into the numbers and she can tell you by the
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facts that the tech bros, the South African tech bros are bald-faced liars. Short commercial break
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Just to steel man of Vivek's argument, for the record, I'm very much against H-1Bs, and I think
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this tweet could have been worded differently. But don't we see some truth in what Vivek was saying,
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and I'll start with Blake, that there has been this slow-motion decline in the mediocrity,
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that there has been this acceptance that we're no longer going to pursue excellence,
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that we're no longer going to be the best at things anymore.
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Come on, Charlie. We almost had you all the way there. That was Charlie Kirk. Charlie Kirk
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coming down to the fact that we don't need to import foreign workers because the American
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workers are as good or better. As good or better. Certainly not worse. We're getting more of that.
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No, Vivek's thing was, no, Charlie, it was terrible from start to finish. Natalie, you're back with us.
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Will Upton wrote an incredible piece today on the Daily, on National Pulse. I'm going to toss over
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you, and let's drill down on Will's piece. Ma'am.
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Sure. Well, I would just say to Vivek, I've been told what, because I'm an American, I don't know
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how to sit down and study and research. Well, I think last segment probably just disproved that.
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I've always been more of a supporter of jock culture, though I don't think they're mutually
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exclusive with valedictorian culture. All that aside, we'll get into some more myths that those
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But hang on. But hang on. But ho, ho, ho, ho. Stop, stop. Because this gets back to Mo.
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You came up in that Southern California culture of intense women's athletics. I mean, you were a
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great volleyball player. And his whole hit on the sleepovers. I mean, come on. It was so offensive.
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And Mo, no, because here's one of the powers of Title IX in the sports. The girls play these
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team sports now that their moms probably never had an opportunity to play. And the scale of it is
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huge. It leads to people that really know how to compete. I mean, jock culture to me in the United
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States is fantastic. And it's particularly been, I think, great for young women, particularly after
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Title IX. I mean, my two sisters were terrific. My older brother and my dad were great athletes,
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as was my kid brother. I was not, I would say, a good athlete. But they were great. And my dad,
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just the thinking at the time, my two sisters were not that involved in athletics. They just
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weren't. It was just not a thing. Although in your generation in Mo, in Southern California,
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all the little girls played team sports. It was very intense from an early age. And you saw as they
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went on, it's how you build leadership. It was quite extraordinary. I think Title IX, that's one of the
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reasons, as you know, Natalie, we fight so hard for it, given the fact that the transgender,
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you know, the transgender movement tried to destroy it. But you saw right there,
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the jock culture that infused kind of for little girls back in the 80s and 90s and early 2000s
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was the reason I think we have so many assertive young women today that really take charge and have
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tremendous leadership. And I kind of saw it from the beginning with Mo.
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Well, I mean, I think it goes back to what you view the United States of America as.
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Do you view it as a shell company, a holding company for the vested interests of the globalist
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ruling class where children need to be raised from day one, how they can become the best maximizers of
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profit and value for corporations that to their core hate this country? Or are they human beings,
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right, chosen and birthed and come into this world by the hand of God who should be allowed to,
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I don't know, engage in sports, have a life outside of being an indentured servant like so
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many of these HB1 or their spouses on the H4 visas, the lives that they live. Again, no shade to them.
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I'm sure you and I are enterprising people. We would be doing the same thing. But the idea that
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American people have to compete with essentially modern day slaves in order to, quote unquote,
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be successful is offensive and it's wrong. And if you want to do that, fine, go do that in another
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country that's not the United States of America. The founding fathers were the founding fathers
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because they appreciated individual liberty and freedom and they had other things going on in
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their lives. They loved the idea of community and culture and township and kinship, not the idea that
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it was all about boosting profits for, I don't know, the British empire, insert the new tech
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oligopoly into that sort of matrix, that critique there. But it's so insulting. And Steve, to the core
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of it, it's also just a bald-faced lie that I reject the premise, right? When you look at the data,
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which, like I said, is not readily available, these foreign workers that they're importing,
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even if job culture were bad, are not even better, right? I mean, seriously, when you look at the
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numbers, since before President Trump took office, Steve, 72% of STEM engineers that have been hired
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in Silicon Valley under the age of like 46 or 50 are foreign born. Over half of American STEM graduates
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will never work in STEM fields. And the people who are involved on the sick, awful, sinister side of
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dark side of this trade, this IT staffing companies, they know it. The CEO of Emphasis admitted
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in 2016, there are enough universities, enough ability to hire, enough ability to teach from the
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United States of America. That's a direct quote. And when they did a whole analysis, when they were able
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to get some comparative review between American workers in terms of literacy, their ability to
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understand numbers and code and all of that, which, like I said, are numbers that are not readily
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available. There's a chart you can put up on screen. Domestic workers outpaced the foreign born ones
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by every single measure, in some cases, many times over. And by the way, Steve, when you look at who
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they're importing, 83% of the people that they're importing for, at least for the H-1B category,
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are all condemned to below the 50% mark of what the average American tech worker makes.
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So spare me the idea that we're importing the best and the brightest. And when you amortize it,
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when you look at it in terms of levels of skill, only 6% of the H-1Bs that they're importing
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fall under the quote unquote fully competent level per GAO analysis. So the idea that because I had
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sleepovers when I was a kid, therefore renders me eligible to be replaced by someone who doesn't speak
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English, doesn't know the code and is probably lying and is part of a visa system that is used
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for human trafficking and child trafficking and labor abuses and horrific crimes that are a stain
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on this country, is absolutely insulting on so many levels, not just by Vivek, but by the big
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business interests on both sides who are pushing it. And you're seeing it today. And I'll bring Will in
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if I can with this just idiotic, I guess you're now allowed to say the word retarded, but I'll use it,
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this retarded Dignity Act that's co-sponsored and led by Republican Maria Salazar, who's the worst,
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a complete listless vessel for open borders, amnesty agenda, and big business.
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But Will, tell the audience what House Republicans are currently pushing for as we speak in terms of
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granting amnesty and welcoming even more hordes of illegal invaders while continuously opening the
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door to legal invaders too, all oxymorons aside. Yeah, thanks for having me on, Natalie. Yeah,
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the Dignity Act, much like the supposed border security bill that we saw, you know, late last
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year, that was actually just a bunch of funding for Ukraine and for Israel and for Taiwan,
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then a jobs program for illegal immigrants coming over the border. It's a bit of an oxymoron. So
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there's actually three parts of this that are really horrendous. It creates three new federal
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programs. One is essentially the DREAM Act, which was pushed by, you know, Barack Obama and the
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Democrats in the early mid-2000s, which would basically create a pathway to permanent residency
00:24:20.660
for illegal immigrant minors who were brought into the United States either by their parents or by
00:24:25.860
human traffickers or whatever, what have you. The other component of this bill is something that
00:24:32.440
Salazar has dubbed the Dignity Program. So this would prevent the immediate deportation of illegal
00:24:39.520
immigrants who are employed, lack of criminal record, and then pay, voluntarily pay into this
00:24:45.420
federal fund that will go towards the retraining of U.S. workers, American citizen workers. And I would note
00:24:54.460
that even Chris Hayes over at MSNBC has acknowledged that these job retraining programs, unless it's a
00:25:02.460
similar industry or a similar sector, don't actually work. These people aren't getting, you know, new jobs.
00:25:09.320
You're not retraining coal miners to work in high tech and vice versa. This isn't something that
00:25:14.080
actually really functions. It's a way for the government to kind of give itself a fig leaf here
00:25:18.480
and say they're trying to help American workers while they continue to import cheap foreign labor.
00:25:23.940
The third program it creates is the Redemption Program. This would grant permanent resident status
00:25:31.240
to illegal immigrants who actually contribute to the Dignity Program. So this is sort of the third
00:25:37.200
stage of an eventual amnesty kind of plot that's laid out in this bill. You know, again, you're right,
00:25:46.460
this is about importing cheap foreign labor. And the other sort of concerning component of the
00:25:53.120
Dignity Act is Salazar is proposing to increase the country caps under the H-1B visa from 7 percent to
00:26:01.600
15 percent, which is more than doubling the country caps. And this would have, I think, a very detrimental
00:26:07.220
impact, especially with, you know, companies like Infosys that are tied to India and are very focused on
00:26:13.300
importing Indian immigrants into the United States to sort of work at these, you know, tech companies.
00:26:17.980
They may only have like three months of sort of a boot camp coding training. And then they've lied on
00:26:22.520
their resume. They've lied about their academic backgrounds. So essentially, this would allow
00:26:27.440
India to further dominate the H-1B system and sort of let them eat up more space within it and enrich
00:26:33.460
these companies like Infosys and Cognizant and others. So that's sort of the really concerning
00:26:39.100
components of this bill. And again, they give it the fig leaf of the worker retraining program.
00:26:44.120
But they also give it a fig leaf over, I think it's a five or six year budget window,
00:26:48.980
a $25 billion towards, you know, border security infrastructure, hiring on more Customs and Border
00:26:54.240
Patrol agents, and hiring on more immigration judges and support staff, which are all good things.
00:26:59.060
Like, let's do that as a standalone bill. We don't need the lifting of the H-1B visa caps. We don't need
00:27:04.840
the dignity program. We don't need the redemption program. You know, it's just otherwise...
00:27:10.800
Hey, Will, hang on one second. Natalie, hang on one second. We're going to go to break. I want to...
00:27:15.900
Because they're having the conference, they're going to go out to Fort McNair on Saturday
00:27:19.300
to talk about one reconciliation versus the other, and also Johnson. I guess Johnson tomorrow will
00:27:24.940
talk about that. My question to Will Upton when we get back is how realistic is it? Is this going
00:27:30.960
to be tucked into a reconciliation? Independent, all of it. Anyway, hang on. Natalie Winters,
00:27:34.940
who just dropped the bomb of all bombs. 72% of STEM workers are foreign or not... Americans
00:27:42.340
not going to work in STEM after going and taking all their education in that. You see the lies.
00:27:47.220
There is no legal immigration into this country. It is all 100% a scam, and that's why the war
00:27:53.300
room is calling for a 100% moratorium on all immigration. Until we sort this mess out and put
00:28:00.820
the American people, the American worker, and particularly the American citizen first.
00:28:05.120
Short commercial break. Back with Will Upton and Natalie Winters in a moment.
00:28:16.740
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They're going to have an all-day conference, I think, from 9 in the morning to 4 or 5 in the
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Will Upton, this weekend's conference with the Republican House, is this going to get slid
00:30:22.940
into the reconciliation? Because we're talking about maybe two. We want two. We want one that's
00:30:29.320
just the border energy. Maybe throw in a little defense, but taxes and that will come later.
00:30:34.220
Is this going to get slid? Is she going to make a presentation? I mean, is this thing real?
00:30:37.620
Or is this the type of thing they just put out so they can get the War Room's head blown up and,
00:30:41.900
you know, Natalie doing research all weekend and me yelling into a microphone, sir?
00:30:47.920
No, it's, I told you, Lex, it's very real. You know, the concern is, is that they're going to try
00:30:53.680
to slip this into the reconciliation bill. You know, Representative Salazar didn't just come up
00:30:58.800
with this on her own. She's got some very, very powerful backers on this bill. She even admits it
00:31:03.720
on her website that she wrote this in consultation with, you know, big ag, with the farming industry,
00:31:10.140
with immigration reform groups who are actually just, you know, pro-mass immigration,
00:31:15.140
open border, progressive nonprofits. So she's added, there's some firepower behind this piece
00:31:20.320
of legislation. And the concern is, you know, it could end up in the reconciliation bill,
00:31:24.320
sort of like we saw with the CR, the 1,500-page CR, where there was some random pieces of legislation
00:31:32.120
that have been sort of sitting around Congress for the better part of a year or two that just sort
00:31:35.760
of popped up in it in their entirety. So that's the concern is that it'll get tough this weekend
00:31:40.980
and we could see this sort of amnesty plan, this clandestine amnesty plan that's, again,
00:31:47.080
parading as a border bill get snuck into the continuing resolution, which would be very, very bad.
00:31:53.860
Well, we can get Will Upton. Will was in the Treasury Department in President Trump's first term.
00:31:58.640
We strongly advocate that he be in a senior position in the second. We'll see over the
00:32:03.280
next couple of weeks. Will, in the meantime, you're at National Pulse helping out Raheem.
00:32:08.300
Where do people go to get your writings and get the National Pulse is the place I go first in the
00:32:12.100
morning? I guess after CFP, I guess CFP is the first and National Pulse is second. Where do folks go?
00:32:19.180
Yeah, so it's thenationalpulse.com. We're entire user supported and reader supported. So our readers
00:32:24.920
through subscriptions and through donations helps us produce this work. Unlike Representative
00:32:32.620
Salazar, who's obviously bought and paid for, it seems like, by corporations and progressive
00:32:38.520
immigration groups. So we don't have any major donors. We don't have advertisements or anything.
00:32:45.920
We're entirely subscription-based. So I would encourage everybody to subscribe if you want
00:32:49.540
to continue seeing original research like we did with the Dignity Act. Thank you, brother.
00:32:55.800
Appreciate you. And everything Raheem and the team over at National Pulse. So, Natalie, you kind of
00:33:01.020
started as an intern at the National Pulse. It's one of the ways Raheem taught you how to do research,
00:33:05.580
not. Give us your assessment. I want to go back to your statistic, but I want to tie them to
00:33:12.040
Salazar's bill. Folks, please understand this. If you go to National Pulse and read it,
00:33:17.160
or if you're shocked about what Will Upton just told you is a Republican bill, understand when Will
00:33:23.420
Upton says this has a lot of firepower back of it, this is the biggest, where the biggest donors are
00:33:28.740
coming in for the Dignity bill. This is exactly what they're going to try to slip in to make sure
00:33:33.960
that, oh yeah, we're going to have a border bill and we're going to take care of the border. And
00:33:37.540
they're going to have some lipstick on that to say, yeah, we're going to deport some people,
00:33:40.840
which they'll never end up doing. But they're going to codify in here, Natalie,
00:33:44.580
what destroys American workers. And this is not the progressive left. This is not,
00:33:51.040
they've got elements of it. They're working with them. They've got elements of it because
00:33:54.180
you have the congressman, I think, down from El Paso, Texas, who's one of the most radical.
00:33:58.340
She's the co-sponsor. But this is a Republican bill, ma'am.
00:34:03.420
I think, yeah, the congressman who had videos leaked showing that she was helping aid and abet
00:34:08.240
illegal aliens. Yeah, I think that's the one. I always say I like my border bills and my
00:34:13.040
immigration policy opposed and, you know, protested by the SPLC, the ACLU, all the left-wing
00:34:19.500
groups. So if it's not, that's typically a telltale sign that it's bad. But I mean,
00:34:25.000
people shouldn't be shocked, right? This is business as usual in Washington, D.C. And it's
00:34:29.400
absolutely disgusting. I'm sorry. I'm just going to say it. But these companies, the infosices of the
00:34:35.020
world, the lobbyists that they have, the people who lie, the Salazar's, they are the scum of the
00:34:41.020
earth. And I truly, truly, truly mean that. And in the same way that we've been sitting here all day
00:34:46.660
and saying, wow, wouldn't it be great if, I don't know, like the FBI or the intel community, instead
00:34:51.440
of focusing on MAGA grandmas and Catholic churches, actually focused on, I don't know, radical Islamic
00:34:56.680
terrorism. Well, wouldn't it be nice if our elected officials in the Department of, I don't know,
00:35:01.640
homeland security, emphasis on homeland, Department of Labor, Department of Commerce actually did the
00:35:07.940
same for the American workers. And in the same way that Islam does not mean peace, but it means
00:35:13.340
submission counter to what you're told on MSNBC, dignity and unity and all these stupid things
00:35:19.200
that the Maria Salazar's of the world push on us, they don't mean that. They mean a complete and utter
00:35:24.140
capitulation and destruction of this country, right? They say, right, Steve, I'm sure what I just said
00:35:30.560
will get smeared by MSNBC, by whoever. Oh, we're so nativist, we're so xenophobic. Well, in the same
00:35:36.880
way that it's not us who's waging war on China with tariffs, right? It's not the trade, it's not Trump's
00:35:42.360
trade war. In the same way that it's not retribution that we won against the deep state, it's justice.
00:35:48.040
It's just the idea that America is a country where our elected officials should actually do something
00:35:54.320
for our citizens who, what, 40 percent don't even have $400 in a bank account, and you want to ram
00:36:01.000
through tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of foreigners, when one half of Americans who have
00:36:07.260
STEM degrees will never be able to get a job in that field? Well, 72 percent of people over the age
00:36:14.220
of, or under the age of 46 working in Silicon Valley are foreign-born, and that of the foreigners
00:36:21.260
that they're importing, only 6 percent of them constitute the highest, most skilled class,
00:36:25.880
and here's a number, I'll raise you this, Steve, that everyone who's listening to this show
00:36:29.840
should be so mad about. Since the pandemic, jobs, occupation, employment for foreign-born people
00:36:36.780
has gone up by 4.4 million, and for domestic, actual American citizens, it has fallen, a net loss
00:36:45.700
of 833,000. That's about a net spread of 5 million jobs. I mean, let that sink in. And by the way,
00:36:57.140
the people that they're importing are the ones who are, what, writing the code that are now censoring
00:37:02.000
American citizens, ripping off people because, what, Elon doesn't agree with them on X? Yeah,
00:37:07.680
maybe if you import people from cultures that don't appreciate, what is it, the Anglo-Saxon tradition
00:37:12.240
of debate and free speech, and they're essentially indentured servants where they know they can't
00:37:16.780
whistleblow, maybe that's how you get such corrupt tech companies and tech policies coming out of
00:37:22.680
Silicon Valley. And by the way, the real tell in all of this, as scuzzy and scummy as Hunter Biden was,
00:37:28.960
even he wasn't involved in the whole H-1B selling visa fiasco, right? And I think the most offensive
00:37:36.020
part of this, Steve, is that our elected officials, Maria Salazar included, they will stand up there
00:37:42.080
and hype and stress the importance of sovereignty when it comes to Ukraine. The fight that we could
00:37:48.660
mount to actually defend the American worker is 1,000 times more winnable than Ukraine in terms of
00:37:55.180
the chances that they ever had defeating Russia. So maybe we should do what they've done to American
00:38:00.280
workers here, and maybe we should take the brilliant idea of what, importing Russians to go fight for
00:38:05.740
Ukraine, because apparently that's what we're doing here, right? All these tech oligarchs who tell us
00:38:10.600
the reason why we need to import foreigners is so we can be competitive with China, who what,
00:38:15.380
then don't support delisting them from the stock exchange. The number two largest country in terms
00:38:20.480
of receiving H-1B visas is China, a country that actively has national security law that stipulates
00:38:27.080
that any one of their citizens can be requisitioned for any national security purpose by the Chinese
00:38:32.640
Communist Party at any time. And by the way, Microsoft, who's very involved in this, Bill Gates is one of the
00:38:38.540
key lobbyists for H-1B expansion. If you really want to take down the Chinese Communist Party,
00:38:44.160
because apparently that's the justification that you're giving for destroying the livelihoods
00:38:48.960
of millions of American people, well, you're also the same company that literally built Windows China
00:38:55.180
Government Edition, which is what the Chinese Communist Party runs on. And that's how all these tech
00:39:00.060
companies have made most of their profits, selling out and shilling to the Chinese Communist Party.
00:39:05.240
And now they want to rub it in your face and say that to be competitive against China, you need to
00:39:10.580
siege your sovereignty and cheapen the value of American citizenship. And then, Steve, to just to seal
00:39:16.260
it all up in a nice bow. They're now going to call it the Dignity Act and say that you, as an American
00:39:22.520
citizen, if you don't want to open your door to every illegal or legal migrant under the sun who is less
00:39:29.440
skilled than you and is going to take your children and your grandchildren's job, that you're a nativist and that
00:39:34.860
you're a bad person. And you can tell I'm really fired up about this. I don't usually get like
00:39:39.360
this. But it's days like these where you really question what does it even mean to be American if
00:39:47.040
the government that is supposedly representing you is actively working to sabotage your ability
00:39:54.120
to make a living, to have a family, to be able to just live a free and prosperous life because they
00:40:00.500
would rather make a quick buck off of exploiting foreigners who don't really even speak English
00:40:06.240
and are not more skilled or talented than you. It is absolutely despicable. And these people truly
00:40:12.440
are the scum of the earth. And I mean that. Full L.A. culture, full jock culture, it's disgusting.
00:40:21.160
Give me a minute on the fact that the facts here are you can't debate the facts.
00:40:26.160
They're overwhelming. But they still try to gaslight you. They still try to gaslight you with
00:40:30.560
these are high. These are highly skilled foreign workers. We need highly skilled
00:40:34.860
foreign workers. You see it over and over and over. Is that a bald face lie, ma'am?
00:40:39.620
It is because every H-1B visa application that gets rejected is then just filled by an American
00:40:45.060
citizen. Right. It's absolutely absurd. And like I said, the only actual analysis that they've given
00:40:51.420
in terms of comparing foreign and domestic workers shows that domestic workers outperform
00:40:56.720
their foreign counterparts, obviously, because they're American and they speak English and they
00:41:02.720
graduated from American institutions, not random diploma mills from third world countries. It's
00:41:08.880
so obvious national security risks aside. But like I said, Steve, you could even make a tenfold,
00:41:15.680
a hundredfold times stronger case than what I'm making now. But they purposely strip the data.
00:41:20.680
And the real tell is that I don't see any of these huge tech guys putting out massive mega
00:41:26.080
threads talking about how H-1B people are so great and are more talented. The threads are that,
00:41:32.320
well, it's actually not that much more expensive. Like, okay.
00:41:36.560
Well, we're, we're waiting for David Sachs. We're waiting for the South Africans. Where are the South
00:41:41.680
Africans? Where are the South Africans? Teal, David Sachs, Elon, where are the South Africans when you need
00:41:48.540
them? South, white South Africans are going to tell the United States what in the hell to do.
00:41:53.440
That's, that's, that's lovely. They've had such a great track record in South Africa.
00:41:59.980
Short commercial break. Back in the warm in just a moment.
00:42:02.580
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is. I take the grass-fed beef liver. Okay, Natalie, you've done so much work and you've already
00:44:18.900
blown heads up. Your stuff's already going viral here in this first hour. And I want to make sure
00:44:23.560
we play 10 any time tomorrow because if you like today, there's a lot more where that came from.
00:44:28.000
Natalie, give us a heads up of what we're going to do at 10 o'clock tomorrow morning.
00:44:32.120
Well, look, I don't think I've achieved full outlaw status yet. I think you only get that for
00:44:36.740
serving four months in Danbury. I identify as more of a rebel. But if congressional Republicans
00:44:43.460
aren't working overtime enough to, what, destroy this country, the Biden regime is secretly,
00:44:49.280
clandestinely, using weird code and regulation, particularly through DOJ and DHS, to transform
00:44:56.720
immigration policy sort of through three main silos. One is for H-1B, H-2B reform. You can imagine who
00:45:03.940
they're benefiting with those changes. They're also kind of gumming up the whole asylum system
00:45:08.900
in terms of the interplay between judges and asylum officers. And I'll leave the audience with this.
00:45:14.940
In case you thought that being an American citizen met that, I don't know, your government would try
00:45:20.580
to protect you from national security crises and public health emergencies, well, you'd be severely
00:45:26.440
mistaken because the Biden regime is actively lobbying and actually essentially implementing a role
00:45:32.700
through DOJ and DHS to delay the implementation of a rule that would allow border patrol, border agents
00:45:42.300
to deny migrants admission into this country who may pose a danger to the United States because they
00:45:49.060
are or represent a public health crisis or public health emergency. So I don't know how that quite
00:45:54.780
squares with the idea of being a sovereign nation. But apparently migrants with communicable diseases,
00:46:00.540
you can't even kick those people out anymore under Joe Biden. That's too radical a proposition.
00:46:06.060
So we'll be getting into all of that. And believe me, much more where all of this came from tomorrow.
00:46:12.540
Natalie is not a rebel and she's not an outlaw. She's a rogue. That's where she fits into the
00:46:17.420
War Room production team here. And so guys, when you call Natalie and pitch the idea of a dinner and a
00:46:24.060
movie on a Saturday night and she tells you, no, I've got to go through the Federal Register, she's not
00:46:28.840
kidding. She would blow you off of saying, I'm washing my hair. When she says I'm going through the Federal
00:46:33.920
Register, she means it. Natalie, what is your social media so everybody can catch up with you between now and
00:46:39.400
Well, I'm still on X as of now. I don't know after this show if I will be, but it's Natalie G.
00:46:44.260
Winters on Instagram, Twitter, Facebook, all the places. Thank you, Steve, for having me.
00:46:51.720
Thank you, hon. And probably they're going to do to you what they did to Laura Loomer to bury it or
00:46:56.400
do whatever it is. I forget all the techniques that, you know, Elon has a glass jaw, so you can't
00:47:02.160
handle Laura Loomer and Natalie Winters. That's okay. They're pretty tough customers. They can
00:47:11.660
Amen, sister. Okay, Mike Lindell. Mike Lindell, you're selling my favorite sheets. We want to give
00:47:17.700
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