Bannon's War Room - Episode 4189： Failures Of Newsom

00:00:00.000 The house was built by my mother and father in 1960, and I lived here my whole life.

00:00:06.180 So there's a lot of memories here, and I think I owed it to them as well to try my best to save it.

00:00:12.480 Some things in life are worth fighting for.

00:00:14.740 I mean, if I were to lose this house, it would be very difficult to afford to be able to build a new house,

00:00:21.280 to pay the enormous property taxes they have here.

00:00:26.480 What would I do?

00:00:27.680 When I was out here hosing the house down and getting ready, and when the houses started to burn,

00:00:35.980 I didn't see one single fire truck out here at all. Zero.

00:00:41.360 If they had some fire trucks, just put a squirt here, a squirt there, and kept an eye on things,

00:00:46.480 all these houses would be here now.

00:00:48.520 I'm telling you right now, I saw with my own eyeballs all these houses.

00:00:51.900 The houses behind me, they're all gone.

00:00:53.740 They started with one little spark, one little small fire.

00:00:57.580 They just squirted those out and had a few people out there. 0.66

00:01:00.620 They'd all be here now.

00:01:02.340 I did what I needed to do.

00:01:03.720 I did what I wanted to do.

00:01:05.360 I did what I thought I could do, and that's what I did.

00:01:09.180 President-elect Trump has blamed you for this crisis.

00:01:11.160 He called you incompetent.

00:01:12.160 What's your response?

00:01:12.660 Well, I called for him to come out, take a look for himself.

00:01:15.400 We want to do in the spirit of an open hand, not a closed fist.

00:01:18.340 He's the president-elect.

00:01:19.300 I respect the office.

00:01:20.580 We have a president of the United States that within 36 hours provided a major disaster declaration over a text.

00:01:26.920 We had support from the president of the United States, Joe Biden, with 100 percent reimbursement.

00:01:32.300 All the resources you could hope for or imagine, constant communication.

00:01:36.560 I'd like to extend that to the president-elect.

00:01:39.380 I don't know what he's referring to when he talks about the Delta smelt and reservoirs.

00:01:43.880 The reservoirs are completely full of the state reservoirs here in Southern California.

00:01:47.740 That mis- and disinformation I don't think advantages or aids any of us.

00:01:52.020 Responding to Donald Trump's insults, we would spend another month.

00:01:56.580 I'm very familiar with them.

00:01:58.300 Every elected official that he disagrees with, very familiar with them.

00:02:01.460 We do know, though, from reporting here locally that that one reservoir that serves the Palisades was not full.

00:02:06.540 And that's exactly what triggered my desire to get the investigation to understand what was happening with that local reservoir.

00:02:12.240 That was not a state system reservoir, which the president-elect was referring to as it relates to the Delta

00:02:17.360 and somehow connecting the Delta smelt to this fire, which is inexcusable because it's inaccurate.

00:02:25.780 Also incomprehensible to anyone that understands water policy in the state.

00:02:29.760 My understanding is that you have put a call into President-elect Trump.

00:02:32.700 Has he called you back?

00:02:33.400 No, that was months ago.

00:02:34.440 That was after his victory.

00:02:35.980 So I look forward to him again coming out here in the spirit of cooperation.

00:02:40.080 Well, forgive me for interrupting you, but you did invite him to come out here.

00:02:43.080 Have you had any response?

00:02:43.880 No.

00:02:44.480 Nothing.

00:02:45.140 Multiple times, Mr. Trump has threatened to withhold aid for California wildfires, both as president and now again as president-elect.

00:02:52.320 Are you worried that he might actually do that?

00:02:53.460 Well, I mean, he's done it in Utah, he's done it in Michigan, they did it in Puerto Rico.

00:02:57.820 He did it to California back before I was even governor in 2018 until he found out folks in Orange County voted for him,

00:03:03.740 and then he decided to give them money.

00:03:05.320 So he's been at this for years and years and years.

00:03:07.320 It transcends the states, including, by the way, Georgia, he's threatened similarly.

00:03:12.640 So that's just, that's his style.

00:03:15.420 And, you know, we take it seriously to the extent that in the past, it's taken a little bit more time.

00:03:23.140 I've been pretty expressive about that in the context of someone threatening our first responders in terms of supporting the immediacy of their needs.

00:03:34.780 That's what you take it as, that president-elect Trump is threatening the first responders here.

00:03:38.060 Well, I mean, it's what he said.

00:03:39.080 He said, I'm not going to support the firefighting efforts.

00:03:41.020 I'm not going to support the state of California as it relates to its emergency management.

00:03:46.040 He made this pretty clear during the election, unless they do my bidding.

00:03:50.340 And again, these are familiar terms, and they're familiar to a lot of other states, not just my state.

00:03:55.180 And they're familiar to not just me as governor, but the previous governor of California, Governor Brown, that was battling with these same things.

00:04:01.580 So you just work through these things, and I'm just blessed.

00:04:04.840 I mean this.

00:04:05.880 I'm blessed.

00:04:06.640 I have 40 million Americans that happen to live in California, that Joe Biden's president of the United States, and did what he did immediately.

00:04:13.080 And to the extent that we can work with the same relationship and that same spirit with Donald Trump, I hope we can.

00:04:18.240 China's cyber program is by far and away the world's largest, bigger than that of every major nation combined, and has stolen more of Americans' personal and corporate data than that of every nation, big or small, combined. 0.74

00:04:33.720 But even beyond the cyber theft, there's another part of the Chinese cyber threat that I think has not gotten the attention publicly that it, I think, desperately deserves.

00:04:45.740 And that is Chinese government's pre-positioning on American civilian critical infrastructure to lie in wait on those networks, to be in a position to wreak havoc and can inflict real-world harm at a time and place of their choosing. 0.97

00:05:06.020 The Chinese have already insinuated malware into critical American infrastructure. 1.00

00:05:12.860 That's correct.

00:05:13.560 Like what?

00:05:14.080 Things like water treatment plants.

00:05:16.860 We're talking about transportation systems.

00:05:19.400 We're talking about targeting of our energy sector, the electric grid, natural gas pipelines.

00:05:24.480 And recently, we've seen targeting of our telecommunications system.

00:05:31.040 RFK Jr., then you have Kash Patel, and then Tulsi Gabbard.

00:05:35.540 Who do you think is the least likely to get through?

00:05:38.220 If you talk to Republicans right now, I think every single one that we've talked to wants all four to get through, believes all four will get through, unless something new is presented during those congressional hearings.

00:05:50.480 So if we're just litigating the things that are the known knowns in public, I think all four get through.

00:05:56.700 I know there's a lot of work being done, particularly on Hegseth by Democrats, to try to get somebody involved in the various allegations against him to testify, to go public, so that they have new information to tie it to.

00:06:10.180 So far, my understanding is there's not been a lot of luck in getting that done.

00:06:14.000 And so unless that happens, Republicans want to unite, want to be able to give Trump the cabinet that he wants, whether people like it or not.

00:06:22.360 He won, and they believe that he has a right to have it.

00:06:25.320 So, and I think you saw it with Jody Ernst. 0.97

00:06:27.320 Like, listen, you've got to be one hell of a tough person with the skin of a rhino to take the crap that you have to take on social media, advertising, back in your state.

00:06:37.460 If you're thinking of running again, if you worry about a primary, there's been a lot of money, there's been a lot of agitation, there's been a lot of threats about what happens if you don't support the nominees. 0.91

00:06:47.820 And so there just aren't that many people that are like, hell yeah, sign me up for that.

00:06:51.240 I want to be the person to tank, to tank one of these nominees.

00:06:54.700 So it would take something new, I think, to do that.

00:06:59.880 This is the primal scream of a dying regime.

00:07:04.760 Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people.

00:07:09.960 Here's when I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.

00:07:14.260 The people have had a belly full of it.

00:07:16.140 I know you don't like hearing that.

00:07:17.340 I know you're trying to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.

00:07:20.280 It's going to happen.

00:07:21.560 And where do people like that go to share the big line?

00:07:24.960 MAGA Media.

00:07:26.300 I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.

00:07:31.700 Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?

00:07:35.520 If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.

00:07:41.700 War Room.

00:07:42.720 Here's your host, Stephen K. Banff.

00:07:47.340 It's Monday, 13 January, Year of Our Lord, 2025.

00:07:55.380 Days of Thunder, the preamble, starting tomorrow with the amazing, really flood the zone of the confirmations.

00:08:03.820 We're going to get to all that in a moment.

00:08:05.100 But I want to go, I've got Eric Prince.

00:08:07.440 I've only got him for a while, but I want to start with, in California, I wanted to start with that video of just the civilian that looked like he was, I don't know, in his 70s.

00:08:19.080 Said he had a garden hose and just kind of kept the water on it and everybody fled and no firemen showed up.

00:08:25.640 And then you've got Gavin Newsom sitting there whining.

00:08:29.940 He wants an unlimited check to, I think, paper over what has just been an absolute complete debacle.

00:08:37.060 Number one, for the first couple of days, and I think the wind's about to start again, you know, where were the firemen?

00:08:42.500 Not that they're not brave and want to go in.

00:08:46.200 And what's the organization, what commands were they given, and the logistics.

00:08:49.900 I'm shocked all week as we monitor this, just to see a couple of planes in the air.

00:08:54.620 I mean, it's pretty shocking, particularly given the amount of damage.

00:08:58.120 Eric, so you're a logistics expert.

00:09:00.960 Walk me through your understanding of exactly what the plan has been out there in California to combat this.

00:09:07.580 Well, Newsom is definitely deflecting from his decades of environmental and state resource mismanagement.

00:09:18.940 Certainly, if he really had all the water that I think they needed, certainly those lines are cross-connected.

00:09:25.940 Pacific Palisades could have drawn from something else if there was actually enough water.

00:09:29.980 But the fact is, as the video clip of the lone survivor guy who saved his house, he got it done, probably pulling off of his own swimming pool supply.

00:09:41.260 The state has cataclysmically failed the overtaxed taxpayers of Southern California.

00:09:50.020 And, you know, the vignettes of private sector showing up and getting it done gives courage.

00:09:56.900 It reminds us of what made America in the first place.

00:10:00.700 But for the citizens of California, they have to be wondering what the hell have they been paying for for so long when in this absolute hour of need, the state has really dropped the ball.

00:10:12.300 All the airplanes that are flying around are contracted by CAL FIRE.

00:10:16.600 But those are largely private planes, private owners, private crews, in many cases flying aircraft that are 60 or more years old to provide the kind of precision drops to fight those fires.

00:10:33.220 They couldn't fight.

00:10:34.580 They couldn't fly in the first, I think, day, day and a half because of the excessively high winds.

00:10:39.620 They were blowing 80 even to 100 miles an hour in some of those mountain passes, which they can't deliver water accurately in those kind of conditions.

00:10:51.100 But it's a sad case that the private sector shows up on time and gets it done.

00:10:58.500 And Caruso, the guy who ran against the idiot mayor of L.A., he actually saved his shopping mall by contracting with private firefighters to come and make sure it didn't burn. 0.94

00:11:11.280 And, alas, it's still standing. 0.95

00:11:12.820 You know, Jonathan Karl yesterday, we don't have time to play it, but he confronted the head of FEMA or the spokesman for FEMA.

00:11:22.680 But he said, hey, there's been an activation of certain Army units, certain military units.

00:11:28.220 But Jonathan Karl had checked with him and they had not had any contact with the governor of California.

00:11:34.020 They had not been requested to actually move out there.

00:11:36.760 Or do you think there are enough, like, military assets?

00:11:39.060 And I don't so mean National Guard.

00:11:40.340 The Army's got tremendous logistics in this.

00:11:42.940 And when I see just a couple of planes flying around, I think they've got 2,500 National Guard.

00:11:47.780 So it's going to be kind of a lot of looting going on.

00:11:50.920 Are they – is Gavin Newsom on top of this thing to actually get the right resources there?

00:11:57.280 Look, throwing troops at a fire is not necessarily the answer.

00:12:01.060 They don't have training in fighting wildfires or certainly in structure fires.

00:12:04.980 It appears that a lot of these additional fires are actually set by arson.

00:12:11.360 And there's been a number of citizens that have apprehended some very shady-looking people setting additional fires.

00:12:20.620 So, again, a lack of law and order, a lack of consequence for people committing crimes.

00:12:25.960 Remember, in Gavin Newsom's California, you can steal just under $1,000 and not be charged with a felony.

00:12:33.260 I would say if the mayor put out a – arsons will be shot on sight, you might get a different string of behavior.

00:12:45.540 But there's – it's like the left cannot ever embrace a law and order mentality or to bring order to these things.

00:12:54.600 And sadly, the people of Southern California are suffering from what they voted for.

00:13:00.840 Let's talk about – before I go to break, I want to talk about – he's whining already about unlimited resources.

00:13:06.920 I mean, he even had Barrasso on the show yesterday saying, hey, we're not going to write unlimited checks given the – not just the politics but the incompetence and almost malfeasance and criminal negligence of some officials.

00:13:20.540 Do you agree with that?

00:13:21.700 The money's got to be really thought through about going there.

00:13:24.260 I mean, the rest of America shouldn't have to bail out really the criminal negligence of government officials, should they?

00:13:31.080 Especially not.

00:13:33.660 And especially not – their insurance companies are absolutely going to get blown up on this.

00:13:38.380 I know private insurers were – a lot of them were canceling because they were not allowed to raise rates.

00:13:46.300 Why do the rates keep going up?

00:13:48.160 Because of bad fire management.

00:13:50.880 You know, not cleaning out all the fuel sources out of all these hillsides has made them a big tinderbox.

00:13:56.620 So, cascading bad decisions made by government officials in California are not the responsibility of the federal taxpayers of the United States government.

00:14:07.280 And especially when you look at the demands that Newsom is putting out compared to the people in North Carolina, significant suffering from the flood damage.

00:14:17.060 And they have been truly left wanting an inadequate response by FEMA, the Biden administration, the federal government.

00:14:26.460 And sadly, politics should not play into this.

00:14:29.860 But, you know, Pacific Palisades, they voted 70-some percent for Karen Bass, and they are getting that – they're getting Mayor Bass's governance right now.

00:14:40.500 Look, Eric, hang on for one second.

00:14:42.720 We'll take a short commercial break.

00:14:43.960 Eric Prince is with us.

00:14:45.020 We're going to talk about the Days of Thunder preamble with the Flood the Zone confirmations that will start tomorrow morning.

00:14:51.620 Short commercial break.

00:14:52.660 Eric Prince on the other side.

00:14:53.900 Johnny Kahn, who lost his house in the Palisades, takes us out.

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00:16:26.020 Okay, I want to get to the confirmation.

00:16:27.980 Washington Post just put up an editorial.

00:16:29.460 They endorse everybody.

00:16:30.520 But, you know, Tulsi Gabbard, RFK, Russ Vogt, and Pete Hexeth.

00:16:35.360 So, in other words, they want to get the more less controversial picks in there.

00:16:39.940 Remember, these controversial picks are in there for a reason.

00:16:42.660 Eric, I just want to make sure I give you, because it's already blowing up in the chat, a little bit on social media, that Eric Prince shoot arsonist on sight.

00:16:51.920 But, I understand that's in the war room, rough Roman justice. 0.78

00:16:58.200 But didn't even the Romans give them a drumhead trial first, sir? 1.00

00:17:02.040 There's been 10 bodies found already.

00:17:04.920 There's going to be hundreds more.

00:17:07.020 Clearly, these arsonists are committing murder via fire.

00:17:12.480 And so, if you see someone in the act of committing murder, lethal force is authorized.

00:17:17.540 That's why I want to clarify that statement.

00:17:19.520 Look, this whole thing is a disaster.

00:17:21.000 Gavin Newsom is a disaster as a governor.

00:17:24.960 I think Elon Musk should lead a recall effort against Gavin Newsom.

00:17:32.000 Musk will have to move back to California.

00:17:34.400 But Musk should lead the recall and be the next governor of California.

00:17:38.440 He can't be president because he was born in South Africa, but he can definitely fix California.

00:17:42.240 And I would rather have 1% of Elon Musk's brain dedicated to fixing California than 100% of the Democratic Party of California having anything to do with the governance of the state going forward.

00:17:54.240 Okay, hang on.

00:17:56.680 Let's go to Newsom first.

00:17:57.780 You're calling for his recall.

00:17:59.340 He just went out yesterday. 1.00

00:18:00.380 We don't have time to play because it was too stupid. 1.00

00:18:02.300 But in the middle of all this debacle, right? 1.00

00:18:04.940 And you're right.

00:18:06.200 They're feeling now it could be up to $150 billion of damage.

00:18:11.740 And the Kobayashi, I think it's the Kobayashi newsletter, says it could take a decade to have a major impact on the American economy.

00:18:18.940 It's going to have a major impact on our growth, right?

00:18:21.640 This is one of the most creative, dynamic parts of the country.

00:18:25.060 $150 billion of damage.

00:18:27.000 Talk about the insurance industry is going to implode.

00:18:28.880 So it's not just they're looking for a federal bailout to take care of what's going on now.

00:18:34.500 They're going to need a massive bailout of the insurance industry.

00:18:38.160 And Gavin Newsom yesterday spent with this Soborov guy at MSMEC, I think, five minutes going through some futuristic, you know, 5D chess city, the city of the future.

00:18:51.980 He just goes on and on like he's detached from reality.

00:18:54.860 Your thoughts, sir?

00:18:55.820 He's not aspiring to anything other than having to dig out of this massive hole, a crater that exists now in Southern California.

00:19:04.640 And the sad thing is it's a self-inflicted wound.

00:19:07.660 Yes, fires happen.

00:19:09.120 We have machinery.

00:19:10.360 We have automation.

00:19:11.560 We have pumps that can fix those things. 1.00

00:19:14.640 But when you have multi-decade loaded up hillsides of fuel because of environmental wackiness that prevents you from thinning it, culling it, logging it, then this thing explodes on top of not having enough water in the system.

00:19:32.440 It's really bad.

00:19:33.980 This is going to have a big blight.

00:19:36.020 But you're right.

00:19:37.160 On the rest of the U.S. economy, everyone pays more for insurance when there's a massive insurance loss, not just the people of Southern California.

00:19:46.340 People in this audience understand in North Carolina where they're MAGA voters, they're not getting any aid.

00:19:55.160 And I think it's also Northwest Georgia, right?

00:19:57.320 They're slow walking that.

00:19:58.280 But here, all they're doing is begging for more and more of a bailout, more and more aid when they're the first people to have – remember, this is going to be the big center of resistance.

00:20:07.580 This was the big center of resistance to President Trump, the Trump movement, MAGA, and President Trump as president.

00:20:14.220 You had the mayor who knew winds were coming.

00:20:16.700 She was briefed on it.

00:20:17.360 She went to Ghana for the inauguration of their president.

00:20:21.600 You had a fire chief I think the other day, a deputy fire chief who didn't understand about how the water flowed and the Palisades Reservoir being empty, didn't understand that the 117 million gallons was not there.

00:20:35.480 You've had Gavin Newsom whose performance has been there for everybody the last couple of days.

00:20:40.440 Do you believe this is more an incompetence and malfeasance?

00:20:43.140 Do you actually think it rises to the level of criminal negligence and one of the things that has to happen here?

00:20:48.000 As President Trump steps in and looks at – and we've been a big advocate of President Trump going out there as soon as possible because they need to see what real leadership looks like, not a beta male like Gavin Newsom.

00:20:59.300 Do you think this rises to the level of criminal negligence on the part of these officials?

00:21:04.860 Look, when you have hiring that – when people are saying we're hiring not based on skill but based solely on diversity, and then this happens where not just 10, dozens of people are going to die.

00:21:16.820 Tens of thousands of people have lost everything in terms of their house, their business, any kind of place to sleep.

00:21:26.660 Yeah, it's definitely getting – it's way beyond incompetence.

00:21:29.960 There definitely needs to be some prosecutions.

00:21:31.900 But again, they don't prosecute criminals out there, so if it doesn't happen at the federal level, I just don't see it happening.

00:21:37.860 Perhaps that's part of the strings that need to come.

00:21:40.020 If there's going to be federal aid, there must be accountability. 0.99

00:21:43.940 That speaks to the malpractice and stupidity we have across all aspects of our society. 0.99

00:21:49.620 When you screw up, someone has to pay. 1.00

00:21:52.440 Okay, let's go back to the recall of Gavin Newsom. 0.97

00:21:56.620 People are talking about Mayor Bass, but I think she's irrelevant in this because she's so incompetent. 0.97

00:22:01.600 But Gavin Newsom, he's already been recalled once because he got recalled, but then the time came for the vote.

00:22:07.880 There wasn't what we call on Wall Street a bid away.

00:22:10.160 There wasn't really a candidate that Alshonzo.

00:22:12.500 He won, I think, with almost 60 percent of the vote in the following election.

00:22:18.440 You're calling for his recall.

00:22:19.660 Walk me through your logic of why Elon Musk.

00:22:25.100 Because, again, one percent of Elon Musk's brain vastly exceeds Gavin Newsom's brain.

00:22:31.020 And I think actually coming from a business perspective, he has interest in the state.

00:22:35.880 He has employees in the state. 0.99

00:22:37.280 And he wants to see the state succeed and not be wrecked by the continued compounding stupidity of leftist environmentalists, 0.99

00:22:47.000 social engineering, and other wackiness that they've been pushing. 0.99

00:22:49.660 I think it would be a phenomenal fit for him.

00:22:52.460 And does that – look, obviously, Musk is not going to be a career politician, but if he can fix California, that is a huge driver of the American economy.

00:22:59.400 That's what I want to talk about, the aerospace industry, the defense industry, the biotech industry, the tech – and besides entertainment, the tech industry itself.

00:23:09.840 Folks out there, don't think just because it's a bunch of progressives in Southern California, it's not going to impact your life.

00:23:16.060 Southern California – California itself, I think, is the fifth largest economy in the world, fifth or sixth largest economy in the world if you really count apples to apples.

00:23:23.380 It's a massive – it's a massive economy.

00:23:26.220 Southern California is as big a driver of that economy as Silicon Valley.

00:23:31.440 One more time, why is this important for the country?

00:23:34.540 Obviously, Elon Musk and I have very different views on many things, but why do you think Elon Musk is the guy then?

00:23:41.700 Look, we might not agree with Elon Musk a thousand percent of the time, but he is a phenomenal advocate, ally in the fight against creeping government bloat and socialism and nonsense.

00:23:56.100 And California has been the leading agent of that kind of change and that malign attitude of the rest of the country.

00:24:03.740 Even the crazy restrictions they put on cars, on emissions, on logging, on – even how they generate their power, it all needs to be cleaned up.

00:24:14.880 California used to be an even greater state.

00:24:18.260 The weather is still fantastic, but not so great when all the houses in your entire neighborhood are obliterated in a weekend.

00:24:25.180 Look, my differences with Elon Musk are legion on everything from globalism to nationalism to the Chinese Communist Party to actually visas, transhumanism, all of it.

00:24:37.160 But is your point – because I want to – is your point that if you recall Newsom, who has to be recalled, you're not going to be able to beat him with a conventional Republican candidate that you've got to look outside the box?

00:24:47.320 Is that – the point you're making is besides being a builder and the world's richest man, he, like Caruso, is you going to have to come with somebody that doesn't come from a political background because you're not going to beat Newsom in the fight that has to take place after the recall with a conventional candidate?

00:25:06.000 I think unconventional is the way to defeat the very conventional, very leftist, and very installed and entitled blob that is the Democrat Party in California.

00:25:17.320 Okay, I want to go to – stay on unconventional.

00:25:20.540 Tomorrow starts – and I'm so glad that the team has now done flood the zone.

00:25:25.140 I think we have 13 – 13 confirmation candidates and I think 14 hearings.

00:25:32.020 Pam Bondi is going to get two back-to-back. 1.00

00:25:34.240 I think those are Thursday and Friday or Wednesday, Thursday.

00:25:37.480 We'll get the chart up there in a second.

00:25:39.300 Pete Hegseth is one of the more unconventional because you're really taking it from the warrior cast and not going to one of these either senior executives,

00:25:46.780 senior member of Congress, or a former flag officer.

00:25:51.260 Walk me through the pros and cons of Pete Hegseth and why you think he should be confirmed and confirmed immediately.

00:25:58.000 Look, for 20-some years we've been at this so-called global war on terror, which has been done in a very half-assed management approach,

00:26:07.500 and we've lost abysmally.

00:26:09.460 And I think it's very important to have a veteran that has lived with – in the field – the bad decisions made by bureaucrat generals and bureaucrats back in Washington

00:26:20.380 to say enough of that and he has to – he's going to get the military refocused on lethality and merit.

00:26:27.440 We need a military that is a large, snarling, very scary organism that our enemies actually not just respect but fear.

00:26:39.780 And when you have the constant pursuit of green biofuel or diversity, diversity, diversity instead of lethality and merit,

00:26:49.440 you get a military that shoots its own airplanes down, that crashes ships, that doesn't put water on fires when their ships are on fire,

00:26:58.560 that you have – that you get defeated in Afghanistan by 20,000 illiterate goat herders, 0.99

00:27:04.900 all the techno-wizardry of the U.S. military defeated in Afghanistan.

00:27:08.760 We have setback after setback, and the nonsense must stop.

00:27:13.320 Or when the hour of need of actual existential crisis of state-on-state warfare threatening America,

00:27:20.380 we will be found very, very wanting and extremely disappointed with the results.

00:27:26.000 If we don't fix it, Hegseth is the guy to fix it.

00:27:30.520 Eric, I know you've got to bounce, but I just need you a few minutes on the other side.

00:27:33.620 We're also going to talk about the bond market.

00:27:35.260 It's in kind of revolt about the previous spending of the United States government and our debt.

00:27:42.000 This has nothing to do with President Trump's tariffs.

00:27:44.100 They're trying to spin that.

00:27:45.060 We're going to have E.J. Antony to break it down.

00:27:47.400 I had Philip Patrick on the show on Saturday.

00:27:49.600 Birch Gold, now more than ever, just look at the bond market.

00:27:52.400 I told you it was going to be turbulent, folks.

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00:29:28.620 Action, action, action.

00:29:30.240 If you talk to Republicans right now, I think every single one that we've talked to wants all four to get through, believes all four will get through, unless something new is presented during those congressional hearings.

00:29:50.140 So if we're just litigating the things that are the known knowns in public, I think all four get through.

00:29:56.740 I know there's a lot of work being done, particularly on Hegseth by Democrats, to try to get somebody involved in the various allegations against him to testify, to go public, so that they have new information to tie it to.

00:30:10.180 So far, my understanding is there's not been a lot of luck in getting that done.

00:30:13.480 And so unless that happens, Republicans want to unite, want to be able to give Trump the cabinet that he wants, whether people like it or not.

00:30:22.020 He won, and they believe that he has a right to have it.

00:30:25.200 And I think you saw it with Jody Ernst. 0.95

00:30:27.040 Like, listen, you've got to be one hell of a tough person with the skin of a rhino to take the crap that you have to take on social media, advertising, back in your state, if you're thinking of running. 0.94

00:30:38.080 Okay, hang on. 0.98

00:30:38.820 I got it.

00:30:39.720 Thank you.

00:30:40.340 Perfect.

00:30:40.580 Jim Vanderhay.

00:30:41.360 Talk to me.

00:30:43.500 They're going to try to throw up – they're desperately searching for somebody.

00:30:48.020 All these anonymous accusations, they're desperately trying to get on a search somebody to step forward that's a victim or knows a victim or something.

00:31:00.180 What type of thing are they going to throw at Pete Hegseth, and how do we have to power through this?

00:31:04.240 Because the audience has to understand we're going to have to man the ramparts both at Article III, at our own app, Bill Blaster, et cetera, to make sure we make contact with all these senators starting this afternoon and tomorrow to push Pete Hegseth through.

00:31:21.740 What types of things do you think they're going to come at him with, Eric, that we should be prepared for?

00:31:27.300 It will be a litany or an adjacent to whatever they've claimed before.

00:31:32.640 Look, he's not been a government contractor, so there's not going to be any weird claims of billing malfeasance.

00:31:39.660 But, I mean, heck, he's been around the TV business and all the wild accusations people can make around that.

00:31:47.880 So you can expect someone to make up something or to be paid to make up something or paid to remember something very differently than it happened.

00:31:56.020 And he's got to be resolute and, indeed, power through that.

00:32:03.420 The rest of the – how important – I mean, you know defense and intel as well as anybody.

00:32:09.620 You've got Ratcliffe, but really the key one is Tulsi Gabbard.

00:32:13.660 They're all over.

00:32:14.100 I should note that Tulsi Gabbard's hearing has been delayed.

00:32:16.840 She's one of the heavies that's not coming this week. 0.99

00:32:19.740 The other is Kash Patel, but Kash, they're saying that he's not coming because they're only doing cabinet folks this week.

00:32:27.480 So your thoughts about the rest of them and how important is the power through this to get President Trump his team?

00:32:34.540 Trump won the election.

00:32:36.680 It's advising consent.

00:32:38.160 It's not advising control is the role of the Senate.

00:32:41.440 And Republicans need to be on board, including Murkowski and Collins.

00:32:46.780 Republicans, I mean, heck, I'm bitter about Republicans that kind of vote only when they feel like it.

00:32:55.280 And I really feel like, well, one of the things to fix America is to go back to the states electing senators, the state legislatures, not direct election.

00:33:04.800 The founders had that one right.

00:33:09.480 Let's go for – so, folks, I'm going to get back to this in a second, in a moment after we do the bond market.

00:33:14.620 We've got to focus on the Days of Thunder preamble, which is going to be this week.

00:33:21.080 Thirteen cabinet nominees are going to go in the confirmation process.

00:33:25.060 We're going to cover that wall-to-wall because it's going to be pretty exciting because the Democrats look to set a lot of traps for President Trump.

00:33:30.880 I do want to play from President Trump's National Security Council.

00:33:35.120 Mike Waltz, the congressman of Green Beret.

00:33:37.120 Seb Gorka will be head of, I think, counterterrorism.

00:33:39.320 Seb, obviously, contributed to the show and was with me at Breitbart for years and with us in the White House the first time.

00:33:46.020 I want to play this and get your response.

00:33:47.400 This is about Ukraine, Eric Prince.

00:33:50.980 I will say, you know, the other thing that we're going to need to see is really stabilizing things on the battlefield.

00:33:59.220 And one of the things that we'll be asking of the Ukrainians is they have real manpower issues. 0.99

00:34:06.240 Their draft age right now is 26 years old, not 18.

00:34:10.860 I don't think a lot of people realize that.

00:34:12.720 They could generate hundreds of thousands of new soldiers.

00:34:16.020 So when we hear about morale problems, when we hear about issues on the front line, look, if the Ukrainians have asked the entire world to be all in for democracy, we need them to be all in for democracy.

00:34:29.160 And they certainly have fought bravely.

00:34:31.260 They certainly have taken a very noble and tough stand.

00:34:34.980 But we need to see those manpower shortages addressed.

00:34:37.920 This isn't just about munitions, ammunition or writing more checks.

00:34:42.340 It's about seeing the front lines stabilized so that we can enter into some type of deal.

00:34:48.380 I'll give one tip away that the president has mentioned.

00:34:50.980 He will say to that murderous former KGB colonel, that thug who runs the Russian Federation, you will negotiate now or the aid that we have given to Ukraine thus far will look like peanuts.

00:35:05.660 That's how he will force those gentlemen to come to an arrangement that stops the bloodshed.

00:35:12.660 So, Eric Prince, you know, Robert Kagan's got a big piece in The Atlantic of how Trump's first strategic defeat will be Ukraine.

00:35:26.140 This is not Trump's war.

00:35:27.400 Trump fought this from the beginning.

00:35:29.340 Mike Waltz is saying, and we've been, and so Mike Waltz should understand something.

00:35:32.600 The audience in the war room knows about the non-18-year-old conscripts for over a year, about a year and a half, when they tried to actually do it in Ukraine, it got shot down.

00:35:45.260 Seb's saying flood the zone with more weapons for Ukraine.

00:35:48.420 Waltz is saying help them stabilize the battlefield with more conscripts.

00:35:52.720 Does President Trump want to own this war?

00:35:54.380 I thought our theory of the case was 48 hours, 72 hours, we're going to get the hell out.

00:36:00.140 And really, to me, it's NATO and the Ukrainians that a little bit have to say, hey, guys, this war is over. 0.72

00:36:06.700 It's time for you to get to the negotiating table.

00:36:08.420 Am I missing it?

00:36:09.140 Are we going to actually – because what they're talking about by putting more weapons in and getting them conscripts is some sort of kind of semi-active role as much as the Biden administration in the Ukrainian war.

00:36:20.880 Am I wrong on this, brother?

00:36:25.380 Look, Zelensky is not viewed as a legitimate negotiating counterparty for the Russians because Zelensky has overstayed the mandate and canceled those last elections.

00:36:34.400 So they've got to have an election.

00:36:35.740 I think there's one scheduled for March or April.

00:36:38.300 The Ukrainians have not been able to put more manpower in the field.

00:36:41.580 They are running out.

00:36:42.640 And I think I agree with Waltz on that point that if they're going to do this and they're going to be demanding all this support from partner nations, they at least have to have the same service age as the rest of those countries.

00:36:56.340 And I would imagine Seb is saying that because they're trying to negotiate from some kind of position of strength because the fact is the Russians are winning.

00:37:05.300 They have been winning for many months now.

00:37:07.520 And they're grinding along.

00:37:09.240 What incentive do the Russians have to stop? 1.00

00:37:11.180 But I do think the Russians do want to have a negotiated settlement.

00:37:17.040 The question is, what's left of Ukraine at the end of it?

00:37:20.940 Probably everything east of the Dnieper River is what they'll take.

00:37:25.560 It's it's a they have a weather window now where the ground is hard enough.

00:37:30.420 They can still hold it, hold it, hold it, hold it.

00:37:33.120 Full stop, full stop.

00:37:34.860 You said west of what river?

00:37:37.440 Sorry, everything east of the river.

00:37:40.360 The Dnieper. 0.91

00:37:41.720 Yeah, but that's my point.

00:37:42.940 That's that's that's that's a lot worse than this war started.

00:37:46.800 That's taken half of the country or 40 percent of the country.

00:37:49.640 Is it not?

00:37:50.580 I'm not saying disagree with that.

00:37:52.020 I just want to make people in the audience understand.

00:37:54.200 And we were talking about the Russian speaking provinces of the Donbass and Crimea.

00:38:00.180 Now, because now because of Biden's terrific management of this war, now you're talking about 40 percent of Ukraine do what?

00:38:09.740 That's that's a real possibility.

00:38:11.960 And so, yeah, hopefully Trump can convince Putin to stop and to and to rejoin the the the Western nations.

00:38:22.660 Again, it is in our interest to pull Russia away from the orbit of China. 0.93

00:38:27.380 That is really bad for America.

00:38:29.000 And Steve, I got to run.

00:38:31.100 But hey, go, go, go, go, go, go, go.

00:38:35.080 I know you gave us more time than than we asked for.

00:38:37.760 I appreciate you, brother.

00:38:38.900 We'll get all your podcast.

00:38:41.240 Just when I get to the good questions.

00:38:43.900 This is, you know, they're asking for security guarantees already.

00:38:47.180 Unless he says it's got to be an American security guarantee.

00:38:49.380 It has to be an American security guarantee, which means young men and women in the Ukraine.

00:38:54.840 What what the demands of NATO in the party of Davos and Brussels is to me so over the top.

00:39:02.080 President Trump does not want to own this war.

00:39:03.740 He has no involvement in this war.

00:39:06.780 He campaigned against this war.

00:39:08.480 He has said from the beginning this war should have never started.

00:39:10.940 And if President Trump, if the election in 2020 had not been stolen and he didn't have an illegitimate Biden regime in there, this war would have never never taken place under President Trump's watch.

00:39:21.400 Of that, there is just no doubt.

00:39:23.420 And now you see Kagan and all the Atlanticists and the in the in the public intellectuals on the left.

00:39:28.780 They're setting a trap right there for President Trump.

00:39:31.280 I just hope it's national security guys who I think very highly of are on point here.

00:39:37.960 We don't want to.

00:39:38.760 President Trump does not want to own this war.

00:39:40.940 You get into this thing for six months to a year and they're going to blame.

00:39:45.480 They're setting up to blame Trump for their own failures.

00:39:48.720 They have failed here from the beginning.

00:39:51.600 It's been an abject, tragic failure.

00:39:54.480 The Ukrainian people have paid for this. 1.00

00:39:56.660 Right.

00:39:57.900 The Ukrainian people have paid for this. 1.00

00:39:59.400 And now they're trying to snarl President Trump in this trap and they'll go to any length to do it.

00:40:06.060 I want to go now to E.J. and Tony.

00:40:07.540 E.J. all kind of as the and we've told the audience, we've trained the audience and say,

00:40:11.980 hey, the 10 year bond is what the price of the 10 year bond is kind of what drives your life, your car loan, your credit card, your mortgage, any personal loan you would take out.

00:40:22.900 And so people very much are focused on in the worm.

00:40:26.100 They focus on the price of gold and the 10 year bond.

00:40:28.680 Right.

00:40:30.160 The 10 year bond is getting up to five.

00:40:32.740 You're seeing a kind of you're seeing a total kind of rejection.

00:40:37.500 It hasn't become a route yet, but rejection by the global bond market on the Biden regime's policies, particularly the deficits in the spending.

00:40:46.220 But it's it's it's going to narrow President Trump's field of alternatives, sir.

00:40:51.080 That's exactly right, Steve.

00:40:54.240 And on top of that, you know, another added complication here is the fact that the I can't for the life of me understand why a Republican controlled house at the time did this.

00:41:04.840 But between the Republican controlled house and the Democrat White House, they have left President Trump, the incoming administration, also with a debt ceiling as well.

00:41:15.500 And look, it's it's not that we hate the debt ceiling.

00:41:17.840 We like any kind of measure that's going to keep down government spending.

00:41:22.020 But the problem is the debt ceiling, as we have it today, is completely divorced from spending.

00:41:27.280 So Congress gets to vote in all of the spending they want.

00:41:30.340 And then they always have some kind of crisis where they say, oh, no, we need to raise the debt ceiling, whereas before it used to be before World War One, you had to vote to increase the debt ceiling at the same time you voted for the increase in spending.

00:41:41.240 But whatever the case, Treasury markets are getting into a whole lot of turmoil.

00:41:46.320 And this is something that that we've actually predicted on this show for well over a year now, that this was the direction we are heading.

00:41:53.720 And we are basically getting to a point where markets no longer believe the Fed.

00:41:57.820 They no longer believe the talking points from Janet Yellen, that, you know, the Treasury market continues to be deep and liquid, easily tradable.

00:42:06.780 That's just not the reality anymore.

00:42:08.740 There is too much government debt out there and the private market can't sustain it all, certainly not when they have alternatives.

00:42:15.860 And the problem is that the only way the Treasury can continue to attract more capital, in other words, continue to get bondholders, investors to give the Treasury more money, to lend them more money, is if the Treasury gives higher and higher yields on their bonds.

00:42:33.520 And the result of all this is making the debt even more expensive to finance.

00:42:38.580 We're looking at $1.2 trillion in interest on the debt this year.

00:42:42.880 And that's before we get even higher yields.

00:42:47.120 The repricing.

00:42:48.220 Hang on.

00:42:48.520 Can you hang on for a second?

00:42:49.500 I want to hold you through the next break.

00:42:51.620 With that 10-year, what he's talking about in this kind of crowd is that not only did the government Treasuries have to go up higher and increase the interest payment we have to,

00:42:59.600 and that takes away from other opportunities President Trump wants to have, but it also drives the cost of your life higher.

00:43:08.120 This is what we're saying about the inflation kind of being embedded in the refinancing of the $36 trillion.

00:43:13.500 This is the first time I think the American people have a great awakening that, hey, these deficits of debt actually have an impact on me.

00:43:21.320 It's going to be a lot more in the future.

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00:46:07.260 E.J. and Tony, for the audience, because, look, audience, let's go back.

00:46:13.040 The three lines of work that President Trump has to deal with right away is the kinetic part of the Third World War, principally Ukraine in the Middle East.

00:46:19.460 I think Ukraine maybe at the top of the heap there. 0.98

00:46:23.400 You've got the deportations and the deportation have to take place and everything related to the immigration, all that.

00:46:29.720 That's why we're not just the executive orders on the days of thunder that start next, officially start next Monday with the executive orders and other things that, you know, Tom Homan and Stephen Miller are going to do.

00:46:40.840 Also, maybe some legislation coming up if you do two bills instead of one, which I think will be the reality.

00:46:45.660 But as I say, the existential part's the debt and the deficit.

00:46:49.700 And you have come on, and Scott and Peter used to do it before they actually went to the administration and talked about how Janet Yellen's been playing games.

00:46:57.820 She's been financing this stuff short term.

00:47:00.300 Just so the American people understand it, it is, this is not free.

00:47:04.420 When people talk about deficits and debt, it's not free anymore.

00:47:06.820 You ascension, I think the math's roughly every household has like a $240,000 second mortgage already on it that's adding to, you know, adding to the inflation the whole time.

00:47:18.700 I think every person's over $100,000.

00:47:20.960 And now they're just playing games.

00:47:22.680 And the bond, we said at the beginning, the bond market is going to have a vote here eventually.

00:47:26.520 And they're starting to wake up that all the past sins of the Biden regime are coming home to roost.

00:47:32.700 And unfortunately, this is just going to be another reality.

00:47:35.360 The President Trump and Scott Besson are going to be the team that's left to deal with it, sir.

00:47:41.600 Exactly, Steve.

00:47:42.520 And, you know, look, sometimes some of these numbers, you know, when we're dealing with trillions, everyone's eyes kind of glaze over.

00:47:48.640 It's difficult to really get your head around it.

00:47:50.200 Even when we talk about things like a second mortgage of $200,000, $300,000, sometimes it's hard to get our head around it.

00:47:56.580 So I want everyone in the war room posse to do the following exercise.

00:48:00.560 Get your most recent pay stub and see how much you paid in personal federal income taxes.

00:48:07.680 And realize that half of that, half, 50 percent of what you pay in personal income taxes to the federal government is used just to service the debt.

00:48:17.720 Not pay down the debt, just the interest on the debt.

00:48:21.620 That's how bad the situation is today.

00:48:23.840 And it's getting worse.

00:48:25.080 Not only because we're continuing to spend too much money and grow that debt, so we're continuing to need more money to finance it, but also interest rates now are rising because of exactly what you just mentioned.

00:48:37.140 And it is an absolute mess.

00:48:39.000 And so much of what the Biden administration, particularly Janet Yellen, have done over the last couple of years have all been short-term fixes, essentially things that conveniently were there to get them past the election.

00:48:52.300 And now that that's done, all of those short-term measures need to be unwound.

00:48:57.720 Think of it in a personal context here.

00:49:01.140 Imagine you rack up a ton of credit card debt, and it's all on those introductory APR credit cards.

00:49:08.380 In other words, you get 0 percent or only 1 or 2 percent interest rates for the first 12 months.

00:49:14.280 And so you go on a spending spree for your household, and you get all kinds of nice stuff.

00:49:18.660 Maybe you do some balance transfers.

00:49:20.300 You get a new car.

00:49:21.180 You do some vacations.

00:49:22.480 You eat out all the time, et cetera.

00:49:24.540 You rack up a ton of debt.

00:49:26.240 Now the higher interest rates are kicking in as the introductory APRs are over.

00:49:30.560 So now what do you need to do to get out of that mess?

00:49:33.160 Well, probably some kind of debt consolidation service.

00:49:35.380 And, yes, you're going to have to pay a higher interest rate than the 0 or 1 or 2 percent, but it's certainly better than if you let those credit cards go up to 30 percent, which they will eventually.

00:49:45.860 So that's basically what Trump and Scott Bessent, what J.D. Vance, what their whole team have to deal with now at the Treasury.

00:49:52.940 They need to essentially roll over this debt and reconsolidate it at the lowest interest rates they possibly can.

00:50:00.280 And, again, going back to what we talked about earlier with the debt ceiling, that makes that very difficult because there's now even less flexibility that the Treasury has.

00:50:09.380 Again, that's not saying that we want no debt ceiling at all, right?

00:50:12.440 We do want limits on government spending.

00:50:15.240 The problem is that this is just happening at the worst possible time for these folks.

00:50:19.600 But they know it.

00:50:22.100 That's what you're just your alternatives, your range of alternatives start to start to tighten.

00:50:27.360 Like I said, all the easy decisions have been made.

00:50:29.400 Thank God we got we got President Trump.

00:50:31.820 I think it's seven trillion dollars we know already has to be refinanced in this coming year with Scott Bessent.

00:50:38.020 It's going to be a Herculean task.

00:50:39.380 E.J., your social media is a great way to keep up with all that.

00:50:43.260 What is that?

00:50:43.860 Where do they go for your website?

00:50:45.020 How do people get to know you better?

00:50:46.460 The best place to find me is going to be on X.

00:50:50.160 You'll see all the links, all my posts and everything there.

00:50:53.020 The handle is at real EJ Antony.

00:50:58.060 Dr. Antony, thank you very much.

00:50:59.780 Appreciate you coming on, making everything clear.

00:51:01.780 My pleasure.

00:51:04.640 So the three big efforts, as we've talked about now for months, is the ending the kinetic part of the Third World War, deportations.

00:51:12.860 Newt Gingrich is not having our back today.

00:51:14.700 They say the people that want to deport everybody are rabid. 0.87

00:51:19.880 Rabid.

00:51:20.320 Do you feel rabid?

00:51:21.940 I don't feel rabid.

00:51:22.940 It's logical.

00:51:23.720 It has to happen.

00:51:25.100 But, Mr. Speaker, we appreciate the thoughts.

00:51:28.620 But, no.

00:51:29.480 They all got to go.

00:51:31.660 The third is the debt and the deficit.

00:51:33.340 That's the kind of events that have to happen.

00:51:35.360 The things that are going to be worked on.

00:51:36.820 The ways you do it is get your team for the cabinet, your executive positions.

00:51:40.300 That's the confirmation process.

00:51:41.740 It'll start tomorrow.

00:51:42.520 Right to flood the zone.

00:51:44.140 Going to have 13 people stand up over the next couple days.

00:51:47.160 You've got the executive orders on the Days of Thunder next week.

00:51:50.480 They already have a schedule out.

00:51:52.140 There's going to be a presidential signing ceremony at the White House right in the middle of the afternoon, right when he gets back.

00:51:57.400 So it's already on the books, as we say.

00:52:00.460 And then the third is legislation.

00:52:01.860 There's one bill or two bills.

00:52:02.940 The Lincoln-Riley bill is going through right now.

00:52:05.620 But the big financial bills, one or two, that's all going to be worked out.

00:52:09.840 Action, action, action.

00:52:12.520 As President Trump steps into the role of the 47th President of the United States.

00:52:16.780 And, my God, what a disaster he's stepping into.

00:52:19.460 And that doesn't even include California.

00:52:21.580 Which is, with the winds kicking back up and these incompetence, malfeasance, criminal negligence, all of it.

00:52:29.480 Stick around.

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Bannon's War Room - January 13, 2025

Episode 4189： Failures Of Newsom

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