Bannon's War Room - Episode 4192： Bringing Warrior Ethos To Defense

00:00:00.000 And the members of the House Armed Services know it's not working.

00:00:03.220 And we have hearing after hearing, year after year.

00:00:07.280 And here we are, decades later, describing the same problems.

00:00:11.940 The Pentagon has continuously failed audits.

00:00:14.820 The businesses that want to do business with the Pentagon have to pass an audit.

00:00:18.700 But the entity itself fails an audit.

00:00:21.700 Innovation is stalled. Morale is down. Standards have been weakened.

00:00:25.240 And meritocracy is less valued.

00:00:27.340 And as a result, our adversaries have been emboldened all over the world.

00:00:31.480 Ladies and gentlemen, it's time for change.

00:00:34.260 It is time for change.

00:00:37.000 You all have literally seen thousands of veterans, as the chairman cited one amazing Medal of Honor recipient.

00:00:46.120 But we have seen thousands of veterans expressing their support for Pete.

00:00:50.360 This is a man who can reinvigorate that warrior ethos.

00:00:53.840 And this is a man that will lead.

00:00:55.440 I can't imagine having a more capable partner in my position as National Security Advisor.

00:01:03.000 Pete is a man of family, of faith, and he's committed to making our country stronger again.

00:01:08.400 And most importantly, brother, I know this in my core.

00:01:13.640 He will always have as a first principal the service members that are out there on the front lines for all of us at the heart of every decision he makes.

00:01:22.820 So, Senators, I urge you to support this confirmation.

00:01:26.880 It is critical that President Trump has his national security team in place.

00:01:32.500 Open my mic.

00:01:33.280 Challenges ahead. And I thank you.

00:01:36.440 Thank you, Mike, for your testimony.

00:01:38.600 You're in the war room, Stephen K. Bannon.

00:01:41.100 We're at Pete Hexeth's Senate confirmation hearing live.

00:01:44.240 Let's go back to the hearing.

00:01:45.180 For the next few years.

00:01:50.200 Thank you both.

00:01:52.200 Our two guests may stay, or I know they have other engagements and responsibilities also.

00:02:00.220 But thank you both for your testimony.

00:02:02.220 At this point, Mr. Hexeth, I'm required to ask you as a nominee a series of questions that the committee asks all civilian nominees who appear before it.

00:02:14.300 If you would, please simply respond in the affirmative or negative to each question.

00:02:19.200 Have you adhered to applicable laws and regulations governing conflicts of interest?

00:02:25.020 Yes, sir.

00:02:25.560 Have you assumed any duties or taken any actions that would appear to presume the outcome of the confirmation process?

00:02:34.380 No, sir.

00:02:34.760 Exercising our legislative and oversight responsibilities makes it important that this committee, its subcommittees, and other appropriate committees of Congress receive testimony, briefings, reports, records, and other information from the executive branch on a timely basis.

00:02:51.180 Do you agree, if confirmed, to appear and testify before this committee when requested?

00:02:56.500 Yes, sir.

00:02:56.960 Do you agree to provide records, documents, and electronic communications in a timely manner when requested by this committee, its subcommittees, or other appropriate committees of Congress,

00:03:10.680 and to consult with the requester regarding the basis for any good faith delay or denial in providing such records?

00:03:19.660 Yes, sir.

00:03:20.020 Will you ensure that your staff complies with deadlines established by this committee for the production of reports, records, and other information, including timely responding to hearing questions for the record?

00:03:35.160 Yes, sir.

00:03:35.780 Will you cooperate in providing witnesses and briefers in response to congressional requests?

00:03:42.980 Yes, sir.

00:03:43.320 Will those witnesses and briefers be protected from reprisal for their testimony or briefings?

00:03:49.820 Yes, sir.

00:03:51.100 All right.

00:03:54.600 So at this point, Mr. Hexeth, you'll recognize for your opening statement.

00:04:04.200 Well, thank you, Chairman Wicker, Ranking Member Reed, and all the members of this committee for this opportunity today.

00:04:10.020 I'm grateful for and have learned a great deal from this advice and consent process.

00:04:16.360 Our founders knew what they were doing.

00:04:18.700 Should I be confirmed, I look forward to working with this committee, senators from both parties, to secure our nation.

00:04:26.180 I want to thank the former senator from Minnesota, Norm Coleman, for his mentorship and friendship in this process.

00:04:31.040 And the incoming national security advisor, congressman, and more importantly, for our purposes, Colonel, Mike Walz, for his powerful words.

00:04:40.100 I'm grateful to them both.

00:04:42.920 Thank you to my incredible wife, Jennifer, who has changed my life and been with me throughout this entire process.

00:04:52.440 I love you, sweetheart, and I thank God for you.

00:04:58.100 And as Jenny and I pray together every morning, all glory, regardless of the outcome, belongs to our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.

00:05:08.220 His grace and mercy abounds each day.

00:05:12.360 May his will be done.

00:05:14.240 Thank you to my father, Brian, and mother, Penny, as well as our entire family, including our seven wonderful kids, Gunner, Jackson, Peter Boone, Kensington, Luke, Rex, sorry, it's a lot of them, and Gwendolyn.

00:05:35.120 Their future safety and security is in all of our hands.

00:05:38.040 And to all the troops and veterans watching and here in the room, Navy SEALs, Green Berets, soldiers, pilots, sailors, Marines, Gold Stars, and more, too many friends to name.

00:05:50.100 Officers, enlisted, black and white, young and old, men and women, all Americans, all warriors.

00:05:56.400 This hearing is for you.

00:05:59.640 Thank you for figuratively and literally having my back.

00:06:03.200 I want to thank the authorities for their swift reaction to that outburst and state that similar interruptions

00:06:32.300 will be treated in like manner.

00:06:34.880 Mr. Hexeth, you may continue.

00:06:37.240 Well, as I'll say again, thank you for figuratively and literally having my back.

00:06:44.700 I pledge to do the same for all of you.

00:06:47.540 It's an honor to come before this committee today as President Donald Trump's nominee for the Office of Secretary of Defense.

00:06:54.000 Two months ago, 77 million Americans gave President Trump a powerful mandate for change,

00:06:59.120 to put America first, at home and abroad.

00:07:04.080 I want to thank President Trump for his faith in me and his selfless leadership for our republic.

00:07:10.680 The troops have no better commander-in-chief than Donald Trump.

00:07:15.240 As I've said to many of you in private meetings, when President Trump chose me for this position,

00:07:20.700 the primary charge he gave me was to bring the warrior culture back to the Department of Defense.

00:07:27.600 He, like me, wants a Pentagon laser-focused on lethality, meritocracy, warfighting, accountability, and readiness.

00:07:37.560 When are you going to stop homing, ladies and gentlemen?

00:07:41.220 Parents are committing suicide in your own lives by all our brethren.

00:07:45.980 Commending suicide and entertaining hunting to a child or baby.

00:07:51.200 Parents are committing suicide in your own lives by all our brethren.

00:07:57.800 You may continue, sir.

00:08:01.680 Returning the Pentagon back to warfighting?

00:08:04.220 That's it.

00:08:05.500 That's my job.

00:08:06.520 Mr. Hexeth, suspend your remarks.

00:08:11.000 Let me just say this.

00:08:13.520 The Capitol Police are going to remove immediately individuals that are disrupting the hearing.

00:08:20.180 I see a pattern attempted to be inflicted on the committee,

00:08:28.640 and we're simply not going to tolerate that.

00:08:33.320 You may proceed.

00:08:34.420 To bring back warfighting, if confirmed, I'm going to work with President Trump and this committee

00:08:42.020 to, one, restore the warrior ethos to the Pentagon and throughout our fighting force.

00:08:48.400 In doing so, we will reestablish trust in our military,

00:08:51.300 addressing the recruiting crisis, the retention crisis, and readiness crisis in our ranks.

00:09:01.120 Members of the security force will remove members.

00:09:06.640 The strength of our military is our unity and our shared purpose, not our differences.

00:09:28.080 Number two, we're going to rebuild our military, always matching threats to capabilities.

00:09:34.820 This includes reviving our defense industrial base, reforming the acquisitions process.

00:09:40.360 As you mentioned, Mr. Chairman, no more valley of death for new defense companies.

00:09:44.100 And number three, we're going to reestablish deterrence.

00:09:54.980 First and foremost, we will defend our homeland, our borders, and our skies.

00:10:01.120 Second, we will work with our partners and allies to deter aggression in the Indo-Pacific from the Communist Chinese. 0.95

00:10:09.180 And finally, we will responsibly end wars to ensure that we prioritize our resources to reorient to larger threats.

00:10:17.180 We can no longer count on reputational deterrence.

00:10:20.860 We need real deterrence.

00:10:23.120 The Department of Defense under Donald Trump will achieve peace through strength.

00:10:29.580 And in pursuing these America First national security goals will remain patriotically apolitical and stridently constitutional.

00:10:41.120 Unlike the current administration, politics should play no part in military matters.

00:10:48.020 We are not Republicans.

00:10:49.680 We are not Democrats.

00:10:51.080 We are American warriors.

00:10:53.120 Our standards will be high and they will be equal, not equitable.

00:10:59.680 That's a very different word.

00:11:02.720 We need to make sure every warrior is fully qualified on their assigned weapons system.

00:11:07.200 Every pilot's fully qualified and current on the aircraft they are flying.

00:11:12.120 And every general or flag officer is selected for leadership or promotion purely based on performance, readiness, and merit.

00:11:21.600 Leaders at all levels will be held accountable, and war fighting and lethality and the readiness of the troops and their families will be our only focus.

00:11:33.680 This has been my focus ever since I first put on the uniform as a young Army ROTC cadet at Princeton University in 2001.

00:11:43.280 I joined the military because I served with incredible Americans in Guantanamo Bay, in Iraq, in Afghanistan, and on the streets of Washington DC, many of which are with me here today.

00:12:03.720 This includes enlisted soldiers I helped become American citizens and Muslim allies I helped emigrate from Iraq and Afghanistan because when I took off the uniform, my mission never stopped.

00:12:17.640 Now, it is true and has been acknowledged that I don't have a similar biography to defense secretaries of the last 30 years, but as President Trump also told me, we've repeatedly placed people atop the Pentagon with supposedly the right credentials, whether they are retired generals, academics, or defense contractor executives.

00:12:37.880 And where has it gotten us?

00:12:41.880 He believes, and I humbly agree, that it's time to give someone with dust on his boots the helm, a change agent, someone with no vested interest in certain companies or specific programs or approved narratives.

00:12:55.880 My only special interest is the warfighter, deterring wars, and if called upon, winning wars by ensuring our warriors never enter a fair fight.

00:13:08.820 We let them win, and we bring them home.

00:13:12.720 Like many of my generation, I've been there.

00:13:15.860 I've led troops in combat.

00:13:17.400 I've been on patrol for days.

00:13:19.180 I've pulled the trigger downrange, heard bullets whiz by,

00:13:22.560 flex cuffed insurgents, called in close air support, led medevacs, dodged IEDs, pulled out dead bodies, and knelt before a battlefield cross.

00:13:35.220 This is not academic for me.

00:13:38.920 This is my life.

00:13:41.580 I led then, and I will lead now.

00:13:45.900 Ask anyone who's ever worked for me or with me.

00:13:49.640 I know what I don't know.

00:13:51.800 My success as a leader, and I very much look forward to discussing my organization's successes at Vets for Freedom and Concerned Veterans for America.

00:14:01.360 I'm incredibly proud of the work that we've done.

00:14:04.680 But my success as a leader has always been setting a clear vision, hiring people smarter and more capable than me, empowering them to succeed,

00:14:14.180 holding everyone accountable, and driving toward clear metrics.

00:14:17.820 Build the plan, work the plan, and then work harder than everyone else around you.

00:14:24.560 I've sworn an oath to the Constitution before, and if confirmed, I will proudly do it again.

00:14:30.120 This time, for the most important deployment of my life.

00:14:34.800 I pledge to be a faithful partner to this committee, taking input and respecting oversight.

00:14:41.960 We share the same goals.

00:14:44.200 A ready, lethal military, the health and well-being of our troops, and a strong and secure America.

00:14:51.940 Big victory on 5 November.

00:14:54.060 Now the work can finally start on the big issues facing the country.

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00:16:12.300 Thank you for the time.

00:16:14.340 And I look forward to your questions.

00:16:15.520 Thank you very much, Mr. Hegseth.

00:16:18.280 Before we begin with member questions, I would like to remind my colleagues that,

00:16:23.480 consistent with the bipartisan staff agreement from December,

00:16:27.520 and in concert with exactly how this committee dealt with the last Secretary of Defense nominee,

00:16:32.660 each member will be recognized for one round of seven minutes to question the nominee.

00:16:38.160 Out of respect for the time of all members of this committee, the time limits will be tightly enforced.

00:16:43.240 We've now been here 45 minutes, and I think we've done very well with the time.

00:16:49.000 But at this point, I will begin my questioning of the nominee.

00:16:56.140 Mr. Hegseth, you and your family have endured criticism of your nomination since it was announced in November.

00:17:04.620 Let's get into this allegation about sexual assault, inappropriate workplace behavior, alcohol abuse,

00:17:13.080 and financial mismanagement during your time as a nonprofit executive.

00:17:17.780 I should note that the majority of these have come from anonymous sources in liberal media publications.

00:17:26.500 But I want to give you an opportunity to respond to these allegations, sir.

00:17:32.180 Mr. Chairman, thank you for that opportunity.

00:17:36.980 You are correct.

00:17:38.820 We undertook this responsibility with an obligation to the troops to do right by them for our warfighters.

00:17:45.460 And what became very evident to us from the beginning, there was a coordinated smear campaign orchestrated in the media against us.

00:17:55.540 That was clear from moment one.

00:17:59.460 And what we knew is that it wasn't about me.

00:18:02.940 Most of it was about President Donald Trump, who's had to endure the very same thing for much longer amounts of time.

00:18:09.280 And he endured it incredibly strong ways.

00:18:12.240 So we, in some ways, knew it was coming.

00:18:14.760 We didn't understand the depth of the dishonesty that would come with it.

00:18:18.920 So from story after story in the media, left-wing media, we saw anonymous source after anonymous source based on second- or third-hand accounts.

00:18:30.220 And time and time again, stories would come out, and people would reach out to me and say,

00:18:34.500 you know, I've spoken to this reporter about who you really are, and I was willing to go on the record.

00:18:40.040 But they didn't print my quote.

00:18:44.560 They didn't print any of my quotes.

00:18:48.020 Or I've worked with you for 10 years.

00:18:50.440 Or I was your accountant.

00:18:51.740 Or I was your chief operating officer.

00:18:53.580 Or I was your board member.

00:18:55.360 Or I was with you on 100 different tour stops for Concerned Veterans for America.

00:19:00.520 No one called me.

00:19:01.660 No one asked about your conduct on the record or off the record.

00:19:07.440 Instead, a small handful of anonymous sources were allowed to drive a smear campaign and agenda about me because our left-wing media in America today, sadly, doesn't care about the truth.

00:19:19.360 All they were out to do, Mr. Chairman, was to destroy me.

00:19:25.240 And why do they want to destroy me?

00:19:26.920 Because I'm a change agent and a threat to them because Donald Trump was willing to choose me, to empower me, to bring the Defense Department back to what it really should be, which is warfighting.

00:19:37.140 So I'm willing to endure these attacks.

00:19:39.220 But what I will do is stand up for the truth and for my reputation.

00:19:44.420 False attacks, anonymous attacks, repeated ad nauseum, printed ad nauseum, as facts, we have provided to the committee, Mr. Chairman, and I know you're going to share, on the record statement after on the record statement from people who have served with me, worked with me at Fox News, Concerned Vets, Vets for Freedom, you name it.

00:20:04.460 From the top of the chain to the bottom, who will say, I treat them with respect, with kindness, with dignity.

00:20:12.420 That's men, that's women, that's black, that's white, that's every background.

00:20:17.300 I have prided myself as a leader of respecting people, being professional.

00:20:22.460 That is the balance of mind.

00:20:23.760 I'm not a perfect person, as has been acknowledged, saved by the grace of God, by Jesus and Jenny.

00:20:32.780 I'm not a perfect person.

00:20:34.460 But redemption is real.

00:20:36.740 And God forged me in ways that I know I'm prepared for.

00:20:40.360 And I'm honored by the people standing and sitting behind me.

00:20:44.000 And I look forward to leading this Pentagon on behalf of the warfighters.

00:20:46.620 Thank you, Mr. Hexeth.

00:20:47.660 And frankly, I'm sure there are millions of Americans watching who would agree that they've experienced that same sort of redemption.

00:20:57.500 So I do appreciate that.

00:20:59.420 I realize that it involves a little bearing of the soul.

00:21:02.860 But thank you for that.

00:21:03.740 Now, let's talk about top-line defense spending.

00:21:06.520 I have a plan.

00:21:07.280 I think you've read it.

00:21:08.660 I issued another plan, Freedom's Forge, which you've also had a chance to look at.

00:21:15.400 And you have noted correctly that the current trend line of defense spending, falling below 3% of our GDP, is a threat to national security.

00:21:26.280 You also said building the strongest and most powerful military in the world must be done responsibly.

00:21:32.180 But it cannot be done on the cheap.

00:21:34.360 You still agree with that, do you not?

00:21:36.140 Yes, sir.

00:21:36.480 I do.

00:21:38.520 So tell us what you think about particularly about my plan to make the Defense Department less bureaucratic, less top-heavy, cut out some of the bureaucracy and layers, make it more friendly to startups and to new ideas contained in my 20 or so page.

00:22:03.560 White paper, Defending Freedom's Forge.

00:22:08.180 Senator, I've had a chance to review the Forged Act, that paper.

00:22:11.360 Those are precisely the kinds of ideas that need to be pursued.

00:22:14.300 And I look forward to working with this committee to ensure we cut the red tape, we incentivize innovation, we rebuild the defense industrial base, cut out the bureaucracy, all the things that are preventing the platforms and the tools from getting rapidly from our great defense companies here that should, and those that want to compete, into the hands of warfighters.

00:22:34.980 But past his prologue on this, sir, I would just look at what President Trump did after the drawdowns of lead from behind under President Obama.

00:22:44.600 President Trump rebuilt our military.

00:22:47.780 He didn't start wars, he ended them.

00:22:49.720 And he didn't allow wars to start on his watch.

00:22:52.000 We've had the same kind of defense cuts under the Biden administration.

00:22:55.180 And so, look, I would present to the committee the reputation of President Donald Trump and me coming alongside him to ensure we have peace through strength by rebuilding our military, investing as necessary.

00:23:07.880 Going under 3%, Mr. Chairman, is very dangerous.

00:23:11.340 Okay, we've got 45 seconds.

00:23:13.300 Tell us, in that point, get us started at least talking about deterring China and the Indo-Pacific. 0.59

00:23:19.860 It starts with priorities.

00:23:22.240 The 2017 National Defense Strategy was the first step in reorienting away from simply entanglement in the Middle East, which our generation knows a lot about, and reorienting the behemoth that is the Pentagon toward new priorities, specifically the Indo-Pacific.

00:23:37.640 So that strategy has started and was barely followed through on under the Biden administration.

00:23:41.860 So we're going to start by ensuring the institution understands that as far as threats abroad, the CCP is front and center, also, obviously, defending our homeland as well.

00:23:53.060 Thank you very much, Senator Reid.

00:23:55.340 You're recognized.

00:23:56.480 Well, thank you very much, Mr. Chairman.

00:23:57.800 Before I begin my questioning, I would like to make three requests.

00:24:01.600 First, many of my members would like a second round.

00:24:06.560 That has been the custom.

00:24:08.100 Senator Hagel was afforded three rounds.

00:24:13.220 Senator Ash Carter, two rounds. 0.80

00:24:16.980 And that was done by a Republican chairman with the consent and the appropriate guidance of Democrats.

00:24:23.860 I must say, too, my recollection is I've never denied anyone the opportunity to ask the second round of questions as I cheered.

00:24:31.660 I will request the second round.

00:24:33.060 And my time is running.

00:24:37.940 I think these are.

00:24:38.980 Oh, yeah, you're using your time.

00:24:40.700 No, if the timekeeper will pause the time.

00:24:49.180 I must say, I think we're going to have adequate time for questioning.

00:24:55.000 And I know Democrat members have coordinated their questions as much as we have.

00:25:00.420 And we are following the same exact precedent on all things that we did with Secretary Austin.

00:25:08.780 So I respectfully understand what you're saying.

00:25:14.420 But I think we have an agreement.

00:25:16.280 It's been known for quite some time.

00:25:17.940 And I intend to to stick with that agreement, which we made last December.

00:25:23.820 What is your second request?

00:25:25.420 Second, as been publicly reported, you and I have both seen the FBI background investigation of Mr. Hickstead.

00:25:32.920 And I want to say for the record, I believe the investigation was insufficient, frankly.

00:25:37.380 There are still FBI obligations to talk to people.

00:25:43.960 They have not had access to the forensic audit, which I referenced to.

00:25:50.080 And the person who had access to was quite critical of Mr. Hickstead.

00:25:56.220 And I think people on both sides have suggested that they get the report.

00:26:00.180 I know your colleagues have asked for it.

00:26:02.700 Senator Thune assured me personally that he thought it was an appropriate idea.

00:26:07.820 So I would ask and I would say, too, as the president, one of President Trump's appointees had similar, very complicated personal issues.

00:26:18.160 The report was made available to all the members of the committee.

00:26:21.200 We would be following precedent.

00:26:22.960 I ask that that be made possible.

00:26:26.060 Again, we are there's been much discussion about this.

00:26:32.000 And what I intend to do is follow the exact precedent that we've had for the last two hearings with regard to secretaries of defense, not only Secretary Austin, but Secretary Mattis eight years ago.

00:26:48.120 It's obvious the unthinkable continues.

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00:27:57.560 Action, action, action.

00:27:59.180 And that was for the chair and the ranking member to see the report.

00:28:07.840 And so that is my intention as chair of this committee.

00:28:13.400 Finally, Mr. Chairman, I have several letters that I would include for the record.

00:28:18.740 One from Count Every Hero, which is an organization of retired four-star generals and former Secretary of Defense that is critical of the proposed purge panels.

00:28:30.100 One from an organization for domestic violence.

00:28:34.300 One for a Council on American Relations.

00:28:39.020 And also, excuse me, and also several letters that raise questions.

00:28:45.940 I would ask they be submitted for the record.

00:28:48.740 Without objection, they will be submitted.

00:28:52.520 And Mr. Reid, your time is now expired.

00:28:56.100 Just kidding.

00:28:58.400 You're recognized for seven minutes.

00:29:01.440 Thank you.

00:29:02.260 You're a very understanding chairman.

00:29:03.900 I like that.

00:29:04.680 I like that.

00:29:06.340 Ms. Hegsitt, you've written in this quote,

00:29:09.860 Oh, yeah, and fire any general who isn't carried water for Obama and Biden's extra constitution, an agenda-driven transformation for our military.

00:29:20.040 Clean house and start over. 0.98

00:29:21.900 It's come to my attention that current serving military personnel have received emails threatening them with being fired for supporting the current DOD policies.

00:29:33.640 One mail that was sent to a military officer with the subject line, clean house, reminiscent of your specific comment, states, and I quote,

00:29:43.200 With the incoming administration looking to remove disloyal, corrupt, traitorous, liberal officers such as yourself, we will certainly be putting your name into the list of those personnel to be removed.

00:29:56.980 We know you support the woke DEI policies and will ensure you never again influence anyone in the future.

00:30:04.980 You and redacted spouse's name will be lucky if you're able to collect your military requirement, end quote.

00:30:11.520 Now, I want to remind everyone that these policies that are being referred to date back decades, so the 1940s and 50s, with respect to racial discrimination particularly,

00:30:25.240 and administrations of both parties, including the Trump administration and their first party, caused those policies to be enforced.

00:30:34.220 Mr. Hegsitt, are you aware of these emails being sent to officers?

00:30:37.880 Mr. Senator, you mentioned the word accountability, which is something we have not had for the last four years.

00:30:46.020 Are you aware of these messages being sent to officers?

00:30:50.500 Mr. Certainly, I'm not aware of that. It's not one of my efforts, but there's been no accountability for the disaster of the withdrawal in Afghanistan,

00:30:57.560 and that's precisely why we're here today, is that leadership has been unwilling to take accountability.

00:31:03.660 It's the time to restore that to our most senior ranks.

00:31:06.580 You've written publicly that DI policy is a distraction and have military personnel walking on head shells.

00:31:13.760 Do you believe that emails like that, that are essentially threatening both a serving officer and a spouse,

00:31:21.280 and claiming that they'll lose their pension, will have a distraction and detract from the lethality?

00:31:29.320 Senator, you mentioned the 40s and 50s, and you're precisely right. 0.97

00:31:32.700 The military was a forerunner in courageous racial integration in ways no other institutions were willing to do.

00:31:39.740 I served with men and women of all backgrounds because of the courage of people decades and decades ago.

00:31:45.200 Do you believe it's incredibly important?

00:31:46.700 However, the DEI policies of today are not the same as what happened back then.

00:31:52.580 They're dividing troops inside formations, causing commanders to walk on eggshells, not putting meritocracy first.

00:32:00.760 That's the indictment that's made by those serving right now and why we're having this conversation.

00:32:06.300 All of your public comments don't talk about meritocracy.

00:32:09.580 They talk about liberal democratic efforts that are destroying the military, that those people are our enemies.

00:32:17.760 That's not meritocracy, that's a political view, and your goal, as I see emerging, is to politicize the military in favor of your particular positions,

00:32:31.400 which you've outlined extensively, which would be the worst blow to the professionalism of the United States military,

00:32:38.520 and would undercut readiness, undercut retention, because I can see officers receiving these emails beginning to wonder very seriously if they should continue.

00:32:51.740 Let me change subject for a moment here.

00:32:57.360 You've been instrumental in securing pardons for several convicted war criminals.

00:33:01.860 In at least two of these cases, the military personnel who served in combat with these convicted service members were not supportive of the pardons.

00:33:12.960 They did their duty as soldiers to report war crimes.

00:33:19.900 Your definition of lethality seems to embrace those people who do commit war crimes, 0.92

00:33:25.680 rather than those who stand up and say, this is not right.

00:33:29.360 So, what's the response to your service members who personally witnessed these and took courageously reported them to their superiors?

00:33:40.460 Senator, as someone who's led men in combat directly and had to make very difficult decisions,

00:33:46.740 I've thought very deeply about the balance between legality and lethality,

00:33:50.800 ensuring that the men and women on the front lines have the opportunity to destroy with and close the enemy,

00:33:57.440 and that lawyers aren't the ones getting in the way.

00:33:59.740 I'm not talking about disavowing the laws of war, or the Geneva Conventions, or the Uniform Code of Military Justice.

00:34:06.860 Sir, I'm talking about restrictive rules of engagement that these men and women behind me understand

00:34:12.160 they've lived with on the battlefield, which has made it more difficult to defeat our enemies.

00:34:17.440 In many of the cases you're talking about in particular, sir, there was evidence withheld,

00:34:22.320 there was prosecutorial misconduct, and as someone who looks case by case and defaults to the warfighter,

00:34:29.120 to the men and women with dust on their boots, not the second-guessers in air-conditioned offices in Washington, D.C.,

00:34:34.820 I look case by case and was proud to work with President Trump to understand those cases

00:34:40.420 and ensure that our warriors are always looked out for.

00:34:43.900 Those cases that were adjudicated were adjudicated by who?

00:34:47.580 People in Washington or fellow non-commissioned officers who had also served, sacrificed,

00:34:52.900 and believed in the ethic of the military?

00:34:55.000 Who were the court-martial?

00:34:57.460 Senator, in multiple cases, they were actually acquitted, but charges lingered.

00:35:02.040 In some cases, yes.

00:35:02.360 Regardless of where those convening authorities were, yes, sir.

00:35:05.120 Some were, but others were convicted, and you asked for pardon.

00:35:08.760 That's the only reason you asked for a pardon, because they were convicted.

00:35:13.040 But the other factor, too, is you've already disparaged in writing the Geneva Convention,

00:35:18.560 the rules of law, all of these things.

00:35:21.520 How will you be able to effectively lead a military in which one of the principal elements is discipline,

00:35:31.420 respectful, lawful authority?

00:35:33.440 You have made statements to your platoon after being briefed by a JAG officer.

00:35:39.000 Well, by the way, would you explain what a JAG-off is?

00:35:43.360 I don't think I need to, sir.

00:35:45.480 Why not?

00:35:47.020 Because the men and women watching understand.

00:35:49.340 Well, perhaps some of my colleagues don't understand.

00:35:53.560 It would be a JAG officer who puts his or her own priorities in front of the warfighters,

00:35:59.560 their promotions, their medals, in front of having the backs of those who are making the tough calls on the front lines.

00:36:05.300 Thank you, Senator Reid.

00:36:06.300 Interesting.

00:36:07.200 Thank you, Senator Reid.

00:36:07.740 Thank you very much.

00:36:08.900 Senator Fisher.

00:36:10.040 Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and welcome, Mr. Hegseth, to you and to your family.

00:36:16.000 Thank you for the meeting that we had.

00:36:18.060 We talked about a number of things.

00:36:20.280 First and foremost was that nuclear weapons are foundational to our national defense,

00:36:26.660 and having a safe, effective, and credible nuclear deterrent underpins our alliances,

00:36:33.440 and, as you know, it deters our adversaries.

00:36:36.560 Nuclear deterrence has been, and you and I, I believe, agreed on this. 0.92

00:36:41.220 It must continue to be unequivocally the highest priority mission of the Department of Defense.

00:36:49.020 But deterrence only works if our adversaries believe our nuclear forces are effective and credible.

00:36:55.600 All three legs of our triad are undergoing that generational recapitalization programs,

00:37:02.860 and we cannot afford any more delays in those programs.

00:37:08.480 Sir, do you believe and agree with President Trump's 2018 nuclear posture review

00:37:17.920 that preventing adversary nuclear attacks is, quote,

00:37:21.940 the highest priority of the United States?

00:37:24.760 Senator, yes, I do.

00:37:26.280 If confirmed, will you commit to supporting all three legs of the nuclear triad

00:37:31.920 and using every tool available to deliver these systems on schedule?

00:37:37.460 Senator, yes, I do, because ultimately our deterrence, our survival,

00:37:42.160 is reliant upon the capability, the perception, and the reality of the capability of our nuclear triad.

00:37:49.960 We have to invest in its modernization for the defense of our nation.

00:37:53.660 While former secretaries of defense have stated that nuclear deterrence is the highest priority,

00:38:00.160 we haven't really seen that translated into budget requests

00:38:04.820 or using the tools like the Defense Production Act.

00:38:08.900 You've spoken about increasing lethality.

00:38:12.620 You've spoken about getting programs done faster.

00:38:16.240 How would you actually implement a culture change so that we can see these delivery schedules move forward, be rewarded?

00:38:27.700 I can tell you in most every briefing we have, the schedules we're on are too late.

00:38:33.820 So what would you do?

00:38:34.660 Well, ultimately, focus first on the things that are most important, as we have discussed, Senator,

00:38:40.280 the nuclear triad, understanding whether it's the B-21 or the Minuteman to the Sentinel.

00:38:45.500 Got to be quick.

00:38:49.600 Okay, you can bring the camera in.

00:38:51.580 Or just put me on the side right now.

00:38:54.300 We're going to do some—okay, there we are.

00:38:55.500 Pete is—that's Senator Deb Fischer from Nebraska asking a question about the nuclear triad.

00:39:02.140 We're going to go back as soon as the Democrats—look, it's Days of Thunder, the preamble.

00:39:07.000 Pete Hexeth, who has been kind of a relentless onslaught, both from the audience and from the Democrats.

00:39:14.980 Senator Jack Reed, I think was an Army officer.

00:39:18.500 A scathing opening statement.

00:39:20.960 We're going to try to play clips from that later.

00:39:23.080 We're attacking Pete Hexeth's character, his support of, he said, war criminals, of trashing people in the Pentagon.

00:39:34.760 Look, Pete Hexeth is an agent of change.

00:39:37.960 This is going to be a very intense hearing.

00:39:39.960 They've already asked for the Democrats.

00:39:42.020 Jack Reed has already asked for two days.

00:39:45.020 He's asked for an extension into tomorrow or maybe Thursday that has not been granted.

00:39:51.020 For the audience, understand that this is the kickoff to these confirmation hearings, and they are going to come hard for President Trump's nominees.

00:39:58.880 They're going to come hard for Pete Hexeth.

00:40:01.000 They're going to come hard for Tulsi Gabbard.

00:40:03.880 They're going to come hard for Bobby Kennedy.

00:40:05.940 They're going to come hard for Cash Patel.

00:40:07.480 And, folks, they've already scheduled two days for Pam Bondi.

00:40:11.760 Pam Bondi, who is really a compromise from Gates, and obviously we love Pam. 0.71

00:40:17.740 We've known her for a long time.

00:40:19.320 They've already scheduled two days for Pam Bondi, so don't think Pam Bondi is going to get it. 0.94

00:40:22.880 They're going to come hard for Pam Bondi over two days. 0.98

00:40:25.500 We're going to try to cover this this week as much as we can here in War Room.

00:40:29.640 And Real America's voice is going to be dipping in and out.

00:40:31.600 What I want to do is we're going to go back, because I think it's very instructive for the audience

00:40:35.920 to see the angle of attack that Democrats are going to come at the Trump, at the second Trump administration.

00:40:43.040 Pete Hexeth is really an agent of change.

00:40:45.020 And what I mean by that is Pete is a young, was a junior officer who served in combat, led troops in combat.

00:40:52.100 He's got the warrior ethos.

00:40:54.160 This was laid out by Mike Waltz, who I think is a lieutenant colonel in the Green Beret,

00:40:59.600 who's the national security advisor for President Trump.

00:41:02.440 And he laid out the warrior ethos.

00:41:07.240 What President Trump's looking for is a radical kind of shakeup over the Pentagon.

00:41:11.920 We don't fight wars to win wars.

00:41:14.000 It's very much just a bunch of military bureaucrats.

00:41:17.260 It's infected with this DEI, all this nonsense of DEI, and infects it.

00:41:23.020 And General Jack Keene said, and I love General Keene, a really great man, a strong guy, said,

00:41:31.000 oh, you know, we don't need Pete.

00:41:32.660 You need somebody else that DEI can be taken.

00:41:35.160 Just President gives an order.

00:41:36.300 It'll be the building.

00:41:37.620 We'll implement it.

00:41:38.420 General, I beg to differ.

00:41:40.180 I think you've got to take this and get it out root and branch.

00:41:43.200 Pete Hexeth is the guy to do that.

00:41:44.900 And like I said, Denver and my own crack production team is going to give me a heads up.

00:41:50.360 As soon as we go back to Democrats, I want it because I want you to see this is the kickoff

00:41:55.500 of how they're going to handle President Trump's nominees.

00:41:58.060 And it's not going to be fair, right?

00:41:59.720 Nobody said this had to be fair.

00:42:00.920 It should be.

00:42:01.640 I mean, what it should be is very even handed because it's advice and consent.

00:42:05.600 They're not going to look at it like this.

00:42:07.460 They're going to look at it as political warfare.

00:42:08.860 Their belief is President Trump does not get his selection of cabinet officials he wants

00:42:14.440 to work for him.

00:42:16.380 They believe this is the opening salvo of, I would say, actually, the way they're going

00:42:21.380 to confront President Trump every day and really kick off to the 2026 midterms because

00:42:28.320 they intend to take the House and impeach President Trump.

00:42:32.100 You know that's coming.

00:42:33.180 So, one, they're not going to take the House, but this is their intention.

00:42:36.000 Today, you're going to see throughout the day, and I think this could go, particularly

00:42:40.920 if they want to stop it today and not have an additional day, this could go to 8 or 9

00:42:45.820 o'clock tonight or maybe even later if they stick to this, that they want to go through

00:42:49.700 multiple rounds today and let everybody get their questions out and not have it.

00:42:55.200 And I would strongly recommend that.

00:42:57.700 Senator Wicker from Mississippi is the chairman of the Armed Services Committee.

00:43:02.600 As folks know, the South, particularly on the Senate side, coming from that history of

00:43:09.200 Senator Stennis and others, have a very strong influence on the Senate and the House Armed

00:43:15.460 Services Committee.

00:43:16.440 The House Armed Services Committee is Congressman Rogers from Alabama, Wicker's from Mississippi.

00:43:22.100 And, of course, Wicker, the ever-perceptive Jack Posobiec put out there that Wicker, if you

00:43:29.100 notice, when you cut to it, Wicker and Jack, if you go to the—and I think I've got up

00:43:33.200 on social media right now.

00:43:34.300 Grace, help me get it up while we were doing the show here—is that Wicker's got an American 0.99

00:43:39.020 flag on its lapel, but he's also got a Ukrainian flag underneath it.

00:43:44.120 And what I put up on social media, this shows you what President Trump's up against.

00:43:48.540 The embedded infrastructure in the House and the Senate is 100 percent—the neocons and the

00:43:54.240 war mongers are 100 percent down with continuing on in Ukraine. 0.99

00:43:59.340 We've put out—I think Kerry Donovan wrote up last night the clips from yesterday's show

00:44:04.900 where we tried to say, hey, look, we've seen Mike Waltz's comments on Fox over the weekend.

00:44:09.860 We've seen—oh, let's go to the Democrat right now.

00:44:12.940 Let's cut to this right away.

00:44:14.260 Go to the Democrat.

00:44:15.020 Let's cut back to the hearing.

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00:45:34.820 Defense from three administrations, two Democratic and one Republican, the first Trump administration.

00:45:42.160 Every one of those nominees met with me and my Democratic colleagues on this committee

00:45:47.420 before the hearing.

00:45:49.260 So as you can imagine, I was disappointed when no one ever followed up.

00:45:54.020 When we followed up with your office, you were not able to meet.

00:45:56.860 Do you understand that if you're confirmed to be Secretary of Defense, that you will have

00:46:02.980 a responsibility to meet with all members of this committee, not just Republicans?

00:46:09.080 Senator, I very much appreciate and understand the traditionally bipartisan nature of this

00:46:14.340 committee.

00:46:14.940 Their national defense is not partisan.

00:46:17.720 It should not be about Republicans or Democrats.

00:46:19.880 And so I look forward to working together with you and your colleagues on priorities facing

00:46:24.900 this nation.

00:46:25.320 I think we would expect that.

00:46:27.060 And one reason that I wanted to meet with you was because I thought it would be really

00:46:31.260 helpful to better understand your views on women in the military.

00:46:36.040 Because you've made a number of surprising statements about women serving in the military.

00:46:43.100 As recently as November the 7th of 2024 on the Sean Ryan Show, you said, and I quote,

00:46:49.940 I'm straight up saying that we should not have women in combat roles. 1.00

00:46:53.620 It hasn't made us more effective.

00:46:56.220 The quote went on a little longer, but that was the gist of it.

00:47:00.320 That was before you were nominated to be Secretary of Defense.

00:47:04.880 Mr. Hegseth, do you know what percentage of our military is comprised of women? 1.00

00:47:10.320 I believe it's 18 to 20 percent, Senator.

00:47:14.300 It's almost 18 percent.

00:47:15.740 And in fact, DOD's 2023 demographic report indicated that there are more women serving 0.99

00:47:22.080 now and there are fewer separations.

00:47:25.000 So they make up a critical part of our military.

00:47:27.440 Wouldn't you agree?

00:47:29.260 Yes, ma'am.

00:47:30.140 Women in our military, as I have said publicly, have and continue to make amazing contributions

00:47:35.820 across all aspects of our battlefield.

00:47:38.900 Well, you also write in your book, The War on Warriors, with the chapter, The Deadly Obsession

00:47:44.320 with Women Warriors, that, quote, not only are women comparatively less effective than 1.00

00:47:49.680 men in combat roles, but they are more likely to be objectified by the enemy and their own

00:47:55.180 nation in the moral realms of war.

00:47:58.080 Mr. Hegseth, should we take it to believe that you believe that the two women on this

00:48:03.260 committee, who have served honorably and with distinction, made our military less effective

00:48:08.380 and less capable?

00:48:10.160 I'm incredibly grateful for the two women who've served our military in uniform and including

00:48:16.080 in the Central Intelligence Agency, contributions on the battlefield, indispensable contributions.

00:48:22.920 Senator, I would like to clarify, when I'm talking about that issue, it's not about the

00:48:27.440 capabilities of men and women, it's about standards.

00:48:30.280 And this committee has talked a lot about standards.

00:48:32.060 Standards that we, unfortunately, over time, have seen eroded in certain duty positions,

00:48:39.020 certain schools, certain places, which affects readiness, which is what I care about the

00:48:43.580 most, readiness on the battlefield.

00:48:44.580 I appreciate that.

00:48:45.680 And so, my comments point time and time again to standards.

00:48:49.500 Your statements publicly have not been to that effect.

00:48:53.760 After your nomination, you did state to a group of reporters that you, quote, support all women

00:48:58.500 serving in our military today who do a fantastic job across the globe, including combat.

00:49:04.180 So, what I'm confused about, Mr. Hegseth, is, which is it?

00:49:09.660 Why should women in our military, if you were the Secretary of Defense, believe that they would 1.00

00:49:15.620 have a fair shot and an equal opportunity to rise through the ranks?

00:49:19.080 If, on the one hand, you say that women are not competent, they make our military less effective, 1.00

00:49:25.060 and, on the other hand, you say, oh, no, now that I've been nominated to be the Secretary

00:49:29.880 of Defense, I've changed my view on women in the military. 1.00

00:49:33.740 What do you have to say to the almost 400,000 women who are serving today about your position 1.00

00:49:39.960 on whether they should be capable to rise through the highest ranks of our military?

00:49:45.300 Senator, I would say I would be honored to have the opportunity to serve alongside you,

00:49:51.320 shoulder-to-shoulder, men and women, black, white, all backgrounds, with a shared purpose.

00:49:56.720 Our differences are not what define us.

00:49:59.040 Our unity and our shared purpose is what define us, and you will be treated fairly and with

00:50:03.280 dignity, honor, and respect, just like every man and woman in uniform, just like the men

00:50:07.520 and women that I've worked with in my veterans organizations, to include when I was a headquarters

00:50:11.980 and headquarters company commander in the Minnesota National Guard.

00:50:14.860 Well, I appreciate your 11th hour conversion, but, Mr. Chairman, for the record, I would

00:50:19.720 like to submit Chapter 5, The Deadly Obsession with Women Warriors, for the record. 0.87

00:50:25.740 Mr. Hegseth.

00:50:26.680 Without objection, it will be submitted.

00:50:30.400 Are you familiar with the Women, Peace, and Security agenda at the Department of Defense?

00:50:35.740 Yes, ma'am, I am.

00:50:37.340 This is a law that was signed during President-elect Trump's first term.

00:50:40.820 It was legislation that I sponsored with Republican Senator Capito of West Virginia.

00:50:45.580 It was co-sponsored by Marco Rubio, the nominee to be the President-elect's Secretary of State.

00:50:51.240 It was led in the House of Representatives by Kristi Noem, the President-elect's nominee

00:50:55.280 to be the Secretary of Homeland Security.

00:50:57.260 It mandates that women be included in all aspects of our national security, including conflict resolution and peace negotiations.

00:51:06.740 And at the Department of Defense, it has been the law for eight years under both the Trump and Biden administrations.

00:51:13.360 The DOD has incorporated women throughout its decision-making as a result. 0.95

00:51:17.860 Every single combatant commander across two administrations has told this committee

00:51:24.020 that this law and its implementation at the Department of Defense provides them a strategic advantage operationally.

00:51:31.800 Based on your comments, it appears that the example that you would like to set,

00:51:36.760 not only for women in this country, but for women across the globe,

00:51:39.720 50% of the world's population as the prospective nominee to lead the most combat-credible military in the entire world

00:51:49.340 is that women should not have an equal opportunity in our military. 1.00

00:51:56.160 So will you commit to preserving the Women, Peace, and Security law at DOD

00:52:00.880 and including in your budget the requisite funding to continue to restore and resource these programs throughout the DOD?

00:52:11.980 Senator, I will commit to reviewing that program

00:52:15.220 and ensuring it aligns with America First national security priorities, meritocracy, lethality, and readiness.

00:52:22.180 And if it advances American interests, it's something we would advance.

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Bannon's War Room - January 14, 2025

Episode 4192： Bringing Warrior Ethos To Defense

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