Sen. Mark Warner (D-VA) joins CNN's Jake Tapper (R-NJ) to discuss the need for the Intelligence Community to be broken up, and why he thinks it s a political litmus test .
00:00:00.000I would ask you, sir, can you show any evidence that somehow we would make our nation safer if you put your political litmus test and this idea of bringing trauma to the federal workforce by taking the intelligence community, which has been supported on a bipartisan basis, year in and year out,
00:00:28.660and somehow breaking it up and spreading it hither and yon just for a political purpose?
00:00:56.700Are you going to be willing here to commit not to undermine our national intelligence community by arbitrarily trying to break them up and spread them around just because you want to blow up the federal workforce in this region?
00:01:11.500There's no policy process that the Trump administration had done that's producing arbitrary results.
00:01:17.720And let me speak to the question that you raised with regard to my comments about the bureaucracy.
00:01:22.360It was specifically in reference to the weaponized bureaucracy that we've seen certainly at the DOJ.
00:01:27.820And so you are the arbiter of who's weaponized and who's not?
00:01:32.560You get, you know, again, I hope my colleagues will raise, I think, your completely irresponsible actions on so-called Schedule F.
00:01:40.140You know, we put a civil service in place, but I urge you, sir, if you become in this position, think long and hard about the men and women of the national security and the intelligence community before you go on some political jihad of trying to score points by simply trying to break up an operation that actually functions better because of their close collaboration.
00:02:06.080And your comments about the federal workforce, I find disqualifying on its basis.
00:02:21.240As divine providence would have it, I don't think we could have a better guest than Laura Logan.
00:02:28.520Laura Logan, right there, you had one of the biggest blowhards.
00:02:31.080And somebody who's totally bought and paid for and completely controlled by the deep state, that would be Senator Warner of my beloved home state, the Commonwealth of Virginia, a complete lightweight blowhard.
00:02:43.820Right there, this is about the this is about the concept that the intelligence community is a trillion dollar absolute abject failure.
00:03:33.460They're getting to the heart of the beast because in Project 2025 and let's say they had all these different groups.
00:03:38.300But there is a consensus in the America First movement, as you know, Laura, because you're one of the leaders of this, that the intelligence community has to be broken up, has to be restructured.
00:03:48.220And this is what you were just talking about.
00:04:10.620But Russ Vogt brings the heat and he delivers the analysis, the analytics and the numbers to President Trump to act upon.
00:04:17.580So give me your rebuttal to Senator Mark Warner, ma'am.
00:04:22.760Well, one thing I would say, Steve, is you say this.
00:04:27.000The intelligence community has failed over and over again.
00:04:29.620I would say that failure would be a free pass, right, because anybody can get things wrong.
00:04:36.300I mean, intelligence is your best assessment based on what you know at the time.
00:04:40.220But what we have witnessed happening goes far beyond that.
00:04:43.860Remember, it was John Brennan, right, who attached the Christopher Steele dossier to a report that he put before members of Congress.
00:04:51.780So he took a document that they if they're if you're talking about intelligence, there is no excuse for anyone not to have verified from the very beginning that this was a document that was paid for by the Hillary Clinton campaign.
00:05:06.380This was a political document that didn't contain a single firsthand witness.
00:05:40.840As Ambassador Chris Stevens, the first United States ambassador who ended up being murdered in more than half a century, they listened to him describing the terrorists that were that were attacking their compound.
00:05:54.880They listened to him as he was basically being hunted down and slaughtered.
00:06:39.540You know, Mike Vickers and these other people, these deep state bureaucrats, they had to get rid of Flynn the moment he started to do that.
00:06:45.520Because what was he doing, upsetting the balance of power?
00:06:48.560The CIA wanted to bring the Defense Intelligence Agency under their control.
00:08:23.120And when having to watch the Trump administration the first time around go through this charade, the millions of dollars that were spent on the special counsel investigation and all of this nonsense, when every single person in the intelligence community already knew that it was nonsense.
00:09:10.120No, what you have is bipartisan treason.
00:09:12.700You have people on both sides of the aisle who have polluted and conspired in a seditious conspiracy to subvert the will of the American people and a legally elected president who has now, for the second time, actually for the third, been given a mandate from the people that they want this to end.
00:09:33.400It is so ironic to me that they're going to stand up now, they're going to grandstand, get ready for all the fake moral outrage, okay?
00:09:40.620Because you didn't hear any of that moral outrage when, oh, let's see, was the intelligence collapse, the national security failure that is an open border, right?
00:09:51.360Wait, what about Afghanistan, where you've created a terrorist state?
00:09:55.200You have now taken what was a terrorist group that was constantly on the back foot.
00:10:12.280We heard nothing from the intelligence community about the fact that the Biden administration left behind the biometric capability, the keys to the biometric database.
00:10:23.220They left that in the hands of the terrorists in Afghanistan.
00:10:25.760And that has allowed a terrorist regime to go into that database and alter the biometrics of trained, known terrorists, right?
00:10:34.800And not only that, the State Department, they committed a massive intelligence failure because they left behind equipment that is used to verify another state's passport.
00:10:43.680So now these terrorists not only change their identities, but they have official passports to travel all over the world in.
00:10:50.720And many of them have infiltrated Europe.
00:10:52.900They've infiltrated the United States.
00:10:55.040I mean, look at the reports of all the the Chinese and others who've been making incursions onto American bases.
00:11:00.620For goodness sake, we are in the midst of a national security crisis on about 50 different fronts.
00:11:08.300And what do you hear from the intelligence community that Mark Warner is so worried about breaking up?
00:11:15.100In fact, what you do hear about is you hear that there are people within the CIA who are refusing to go along with plans to use their relationship with terrorists like the Taliban and the Haqqani Network to use to create chaos and carry out attacks inside the United States and blame it on ISIS.
00:11:36.140That's actually the kind of information that's coming out, because there are still somehow a few good people left in there.
00:11:43.480The other thing that I would say just to close this is that Michael Flynn told me years ago, the National Security Council has been completely infiltrated.
00:16:46.020And they've said, you know, they put out publicly, the secretaries of the Army, I think the Air Force and Navy, that we roughly have 150,000 troops spread out to 150 entities, countries and bases throughout the world.
00:16:58.540So you do a kind of a – you make sure that you understand where all that is.
00:17:03.400They're going to walk through what happens in the first day of the National Security Council and what goes on when you actually have this kind of change of command with the new president comes in.
00:17:21.920Two guys that are just fantastic and with General Flynn.
00:17:25.380The story about General Flynn is correct.
00:17:27.020I had Mike – Mike went down with Jared.
00:17:30.300I stayed up in New York and they went down to see – they went down to see Obama with then-President-elect Trump, I think the second day after we won.
00:17:40.260I told Mike, I said, let's get our arms quickly around the NSC.
00:17:43.040Now, I had been in the – after sea duty, I had been in the Pentagon as a young officer over with the chief of naval operation and his deputies.
00:17:50.080At that time, this is 81, I showed up the day after Reagan's first inaugural.
00:17:55.420That was the one – the first one done on the west side of the capital.
00:17:58.180So they have that – Michael Devers, all those guys being ad guys, marketing guys coming from Hollywood, wanted that huge stage for Reagan because he was – he wanted a big stage.
00:18:26.100One of the big processes, one of the tensions in what they call the building, one of the tensions in the building in the White House was at the National Security Council.
00:18:35.660And Reagan went out of his way getting Richard V. Allen in his National Security Advisor to get away from, you know, Henry Kissinger, Zigbee Brzezinski.
00:18:46.800Those are the two back-to-back kind of Dr. Strangelove types, the great global thinkers, the strategists, the chess players.
00:18:54.900Reagan wanted to get something very simple, evil empire, Russia, Soviet Union, evil empire, evil empire, bad, evil empire going to go down.
00:19:04.620We win, they lose, I think he told Richard V. Allen.
00:19:06.760When Mike came back that day, he had the, I said, let's get the org charts.
00:19:11.700He comes in, he's got a stack of stuff like that, big, huge, and I said, Mike, I didn't ask for the entire national security apparatus, the Pentagon, the security, anything like that.
00:19:27.780Two-thirds of those, or 70, 75% of those were what they call detailees.
00:19:33.300These are from the other, you know, for the, because they have to get the, the fetish is the interagency process.
00:19:40.420The two, the two fetishes that you see inside the government is the post-war international rules-based order and the interagency process.
00:19:49.320That's the deep state and the administrative state agreeing on what they agree on counter to you or to water it down or if they put something in there to leak it.
00:19:56.860That's the way it rolls, to leak it in the Washington Post and they go, oh, and Rachel Maddow, they're on TV and they got David Ignatius on Morning Joe.
00:20:03.300These Trump people don't know what they're doing.
00:20:58.180I'm going down to Texas this week to Denton.
00:21:00.520And since there's been such a sellout of the tickets, I am committing to go back towards the end of February in a, I think, in Tarrant County.
00:21:42.400Once you get up to speed, you'll see with the marginal cost of this, you'll hit the bid on this.
00:21:45.680Do not let anybody get into your title today, particularly with a lot of cyber hacking going on.
00:21:51.480Jace Medical, the team there, they took all the reporting and analysis we did in the early stages of the pandemic when we shifted to war and pandemic in January of 2020.
00:23:00.700I'm supporting the idea of contingents, like a part of security guarantees, because if they have 1,5 million army, and if we will have less two times, it means that we need contingents with a very strong number of soldiers.
00:23:22.120200,000, 200,000, 200,000, from all the Europeans, 200,000, it's a minimum.
00:24:11.900Minimum of 200,000 combat troops as a security force, or a security force, which is the same thing, to defend Zelensky and his oligarchs and the money they've stolen from the West.
00:24:23.500Your thoughts, ma'am, and how's it playing at Davos?
00:24:27.260Listen, it's becoming very redundant covering the WEF because he just rolls up every year asking for the same thing, more money and more troops.
00:24:38.940And he's also always playing on, you know, the guilt strings of European member states.
00:25:15.160All European countries must be willing to spend as much on security as it is truly needed, not just as much as they've gotten used to during the years of neglect.
00:25:25.080If it takes 5% of GDP to cover defense, then so be it.
00:26:52.280They wouldn't have, you know, virtually free universities.
00:26:55.420They wouldn't have, you know, these great pensions and the 30-day vacation.
00:26:59.840They wouldn't have it because they couldn't afford it.
00:27:02.140What's so beautiful about this, and this is why folks in the United States, if they're the people that are supporting this punk, right, in the halls of Congress and giving me more money that's never accounted for and never audited and his oligarch buddies are stealing with both hands and he's stealing with both hands.
00:27:20.660They're doing it because they want to keep the arms merchants fully.
00:27:24.060They want to keep the factory floors fully, fully, full production.
00:29:40.560Today's show, let's just go through the lineup.
00:29:44.080Laura Loomer starting off breaking a big story on H-1B visas, on the murder of a Customs and Border Patrol agent by a German H-1B visa, who you saw in his resume.
00:31:27.600Before we get into that, Steve, closing on the Zelensky issue, I sent the team pictures,
00:31:35.100a tweet of mine with pictures that I took yesterday in Davos of Ukraine house.
00:31:40.760So every year they take this specific spot over Ukraine, and they have different side events take place,
00:31:48.880and they always have the facade dressed up.
00:31:51.640And I wanted to show you this because speaking of the hypocrisy, total hypocrisy of Zelensky and the entire farce that is this war,
00:32:02.220it couldn't be symbolized better than with this banner that they put up stating your country first, win with us.
00:32:11.560So first of all, I remember it for all these years being taboo to say, you know, your country first, or more specifically, America first.
00:32:21.600And now they're putting that front and center on that wall.
00:32:24.760And it is such a slap in the face, considering that close to $200 billion, almost $200 billion of U.S. taxpayer dollars have gone to this war
00:32:38.940or been laundering, or been laundered back into the pockets of the unit party members.
00:32:44.300Meanwhile, you have the victims of Hurricane Helene, of Maui, of the LA fires that are still not, you know, out of the woods by any means,
00:32:54.560still freezing to death in North Carolina, for example.