Sen. Josh Hawley (R-Missouri) joins us to talk about the breakthroughs in artificial intelligence and the potential benefits it could bring to the United States and around the world. We also hear from Natalie Winters, the White House correspondent for The War Room, about her first day on the job as a White House reporter.
00:00:00.000First, can we just get your reactions to what you have learned about DeepSeq in the last 24 hours?
00:00:05.540What do you make of it? How can this change things?
00:00:08.680Well, exactly what Andrew S. Torkin said, there's a lot of open questions.
00:00:13.200And, you know, I think that the likelihood it was trained for as little money as it said, it seems very unlikely.
00:00:20.260It also seems likely that they actually, to train these smaller models, which we already knew in the U.S.,
00:00:25.120you have to have access to and use larger models like the LAMA, ChetGPT, etc.
00:00:30.000So, look, I think it's extremely important and interesting result.
00:00:33.740I don't think that that suggests that the large models are actually not essentially valuable in creating things like DeepSeq.
00:00:41.300OK, so let's turn now to what you're hoping to do. Tell us more about the good.
00:00:45.940We hear a lot about the worries people have about AI, the sort of scary future that it could portend.
00:00:51.680But its advocates say a lot of good can be done with it.
00:00:54.200Hard to imagine something a better cause than curing cancer. Talk to us about that.
00:00:58.060So, you know, as you as you mentioned, the general discourse and actually human history,
00:01:03.200when a new major technology comes wrong, whether it's the printing press, electricity, the car is, oh, my God, everything's going to go wrong.
00:01:10.200Right. Like society is going to break. Human agency is going to break, etc.
00:01:13.520And yet when we look at the end result, like we can't have the society without the printing press, electricity, the computer, etc.
00:01:21.980It turns out that it massively increases human agency.
00:01:25.340And part of that increase of human agency is when we all get access to it.
00:01:31.080Like, for example, when you all get access to the car, not only can I go visit my friends,
00:01:34.360but the doctor can come do like house calls for my kids or for my grandparents and that kind of thing.
00:04:02.100I think what we're seeing is these tech companies continue to amass incredible power of the deep seek breakthrough, if that's what we're calling it.
00:04:08.960And China just shows the incredible power that these corporations are going to have with the technologies that they control.
00:04:17.440And, you know, I've seen what Reid Hoffman said about this is going to be great for everybody and everybody's going to benefit from it.
00:04:28.860I know who's going to benefit from all of our data being taken by these corporations.
00:04:33.780It's the corporate behemoths who can take all of our information without our permission, who can use it to train their models without any payment to us, without any protection for our rights.
00:04:52.060And I think we've got to be really, really careful here.
00:04:54.420As you say in the book, we've kind of made Obama administration start with a Faustian pact with Silicon Valley, which I think is an apartheid state.
00:05:04.660But they could get incredibly wealthy and have monopolistic power.
00:05:08.560The anti-trade, the Justice Department would never touch them.
00:05:11.320But they would have to leave us to be technologically dominant.
00:05:14.740Do you feel comfortable with that pact, as one side as that is, given what TikTok, the power of TikTok and social media?
00:05:22.280And let's assume for this discussion, deep seek is not a Chinese psyop, but it's actually maybe a Sputnik moment.
00:05:29.200Do you feel comfortable that Reid Hoffman and Andreessen and Bezos and have they kept their end of the bargain, sir?
00:05:43.460Let's just remember how they power these companies and how they power AI.
00:05:46.780They come and they take our information.
00:05:48.560They go out there and they scour everything on the web, your personal stuff, your pictures, your writing, whatever is out there, everyday American stuff.
00:07:27.620See, we've had an incredibly stupid policy of allowing our giant corporations like Microsoft to go and build labs in China, to collaborate with China on AI, to share AI information, to share technology, to share processing capability.
00:09:13.020And we would be insane, insane to now allow them to continue to amass power and just take them at their word when they say, oh, we won't censor you again.
00:09:24.280They're going to do what's in their best interest, their bottom line.
00:09:28.140And they will absolutely come after us again.
00:09:31.240They will try to censor us, cancel us again if we let them have the power.
00:09:34.840We ought to right now make clear we are never going to put ourselves in a position again like we were the last four years when they tried to control our information, control our news, interfere in presidential elections.
00:09:45.160Steve, we've got to take away their power to do that.
00:09:47.760And we'd be real foolish if we took our eye off that ball.
00:09:50.880Senator Hawley, Missouri's looked at as a center of common sense in this country and a bellwether.
00:09:58.980Where are the folks in Missouri on these issues?
00:10:00.680No, I mean, when you talk to them, I can tell you they don't share the pro-technology, the technology lovers, their view that this is all just going to be wonderful and we have nothing to worry about with AI.
00:10:12.460We've got nothing to worry about with all of the transfers of technology to China.
00:10:16.220If you come to Missouri, what I hear over and over people say is, what's AI going to mean for my job?
00:10:21.940What's it going to mean for my personal information?
00:10:24.500Am I going to be able to keep it private?
00:11:39.820CBS News has got an exclusive on some whistleblower.
00:11:42.400What can this audience expect, and what would you tell the war room posse they need to do?
00:11:47.560We were manning the ramparts over the last couple of weeks, particularly for Pete Hexeth.
00:11:52.680What's in store, and what should we be focused on, sir?
00:11:56.180Well, I think you can see where the left is headed with this, and we're just bracing for impact in terms of what might come out in the next 48 hours in terms of attempted hit pieces.
00:12:04.600But I think the message here has got to be, over these next 48 hours, you've got to be out there on the record and correcting, setting straight all the lies that are going to be told about these nominees.
00:12:35.600It's interesting, Steve, in Pam Bondi's hearing before Judiciary, which went great for her, she was phenomenal, the Democrats ended up spending half the time on Cash Patel, who wasn't even there.
00:12:44.640So that tells you where their head's at, right?
00:16:47.240It is imperative that the Senate continues to confirm the remainder of the President's well-qualified nominees as quickly as possible.
00:16:55.960Since taking the oath of office, President Trump has taken more than 300 executive actions,
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00:18:00.000As proven by this weekend, when President Trump swiftly directed his team to issue harsh and effective sanctions and tariffs on the Colombian government,
00:18:09.980upon hearing, they were denied a U.S. military aircraft full of their own citizens who were deported by this administration.
00:18:17.520Within hours, the Colombian government agreed to all of President Trump's demands,
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00:18:26.740So, to foreign nationals who are thinking about trying to illegally enter the United States, think again.
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00:18:47.360Before I take your questions, I would like to point out to all of you once again,
00:18:51.020have access to the most transparent and accessible president in American history.
00:18:57.260There has never been a president who communicates with the American people and the American press corps
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00:19:10.320This past week, President Trump has held multiple news conferences,
00:19:14.400gaggled on Air Force One multiple times and sat down for a two-part interview on Fox News, which aired last week.
00:19:22.320As Politico summed it up best, Trump is everywhere again.
00:19:27.360And that's because President Trump has a great story to tell about the legendary American revival that is well underway.
00:19:34.680And in keeping with this revolutionary media approach that President Trump deployed during the campaign,
00:19:42.060the Trump White House will speak to all media outlets and personalities,
00:19:46.840not just the legacy media who are seated in this room.
00:19:50.280Because according to recent polling from Gallup,
00:19:53.180Americans' trust in mass media has fallen to a record low.
00:19:58.280Millions of Americans, especially young people,
00:20:00.920have turned from traditional television outlets and newspapers
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00:20:10.600It's essential to our team that we share President Trump's message everywhere
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00:20:20.300To do this, I am excited to announce the following changes will be made
00:20:23.960to this historic James S. Brady briefing room,
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00:24:04.240My question is, do you think this latest incident with the president of Colombia is indicative of the global, powerful respect they have for President Trump moving forward,
00:24:16.680not only to engage in economic diplomacy with these countries, but also world peace?
00:24:24.760I'll echo the answer that the president gave on Air Force One last night when he was asked a very similar question by one of your colleagues in the media.
00:24:31.960This signifies peace through strength is back.
00:24:36.080And this president will not tolerate illegal immigration into America's interior.
00:24:41.900And he expects every nation on this planet, again, to cooperate with the repatriation of their citizens who illegally entered into our country and broke America's laws.
00:27:34.540Of course, I actually just saw Peter Navarro, our very own Peter Navarro, about like five minutes ago, leave the West Wing.
00:27:41.480So it's very cool to see all the people that that we know the comm staff has been in and around.
00:27:46.420But I can't I don't think I can articulate it well enough how dissonant and just weird it is.
00:27:52.980These people who have this like chip on their shoulder that you can tell they think they're better than all the American people who sent President Trump to the White House.
00:28:00.440And they're all like colluding to cover it.
00:28:02.680And we can get into what I think the focus today of the press.
00:28:11.880We're going to come back to the White House.
00:28:13.760Natalie Winters, we're going to drill down some of the big topics of the day in a moment.
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00:33:23.060Is it their prestige and influence that they're most concerned about now and really, you know, uppity when it comes to their dealings with people like you?
00:33:33.340Totally. And, you know, you say a new sheriff in town, not just here in Washington, D.C., but I think it's reflected globally, too.
00:33:42.440And that was one of the other patterns that I really noticed, not just through seeing it with my own eyes,
00:33:47.580but in asking other, you know, reporters who've been here longer, that the expansion of foreign press, who's really interested in covering the Trump White House, has really ballooned and expanded.
00:33:59.160So I think there's a global appetite to cover President Trump.
00:34:02.480But to this sort of weird dynamic that you're talking about, I mean, I would equate it to, I think, the sort of 2016 upset victory in terms of this just, I think, anger.
00:34:13.440Maybe you call it envy because of the dropping show numbers and audience numbers.
00:34:18.140I think War Room What probably has an audience that's larger than the top four or five mainstream media shows combined.
00:34:25.460And I'm just talking about viewers, not even engaged activist type viewers.
00:34:30.160But I think there's sort of an element of really, I think, soul searching.
00:34:36.380When they sit there and think that they're superior because, you know, they have their reserved seat in the briefing room.
00:34:42.060You know, OK, you get your pat on the back for having that.
00:34:45.440It's, you know, where do you derive that sense of superiority from?
00:34:49.580It's certainly not from audience size or impact because you failed in both 2016, 2020 and 2024 at having any effect and swaying and duping the American people continually.
00:35:01.180So I think it's sort of is forcing them to reckon with the internal question of what is the legacy, what is the enduring power of the mainstream media?
00:35:12.700And Steve, I think to answer that question more directly, right, I think it goes back to the critique that we not only saw Alex Wagner really get into on MSNBC, the idea of the left becoming or the establishment, I think, more acutely becoming the defenders of the institutions.
00:35:29.100I think the mainstream media is very similarly one of those institutions that they're being forced to defend.
00:35:34.780And obviously, you saw what was it just two days ago, the CIA coming out saying that, yeah, COVID came from the Wuhan Institute of Virology.
00:35:42.280And that was one of those, I think, bread and butter stories that got not just this show deplatformed and censored, our audience deplatformed and censored, but really us, I think, tarred and feathered, mocked and ridiculed both virtually, but even, you know, in person for being such a wrong, you know, out there conspiracy theorists.
00:36:00.960And I think that we've seen, again, I guess it's just more confirmation that this show's been right from the get-go, but that we really have been right.
00:36:08.820And I think that it sort of forces the uncomfortable question, you know, why are these media outlets continuing to lie at the behest and to cover for the Chinese Communist Party?
00:36:17.780And that's because these people, though, yes, they are, of course, bought off and paid for by the Chinese Communist Party, I think more acutely, they're sort of the defenders of the institution that is the economic and global world order, which rests upon the original sin being the Chinese Communist Party and their kind of slave labor economic matrix existing.
00:36:37.060Because without that, you don't really have the sort of world economic forum, you know, new world order, I think, slave economy that they so desperately want.
00:36:45.320But I think they are sort of forced to reckon with what their role is in this entire kind of, dare I use the word, conspiracy on my first day on the White House lawn.
00:36:55.040But I think that is why there's such kind of gravitas and deep, I think, self-questioning going on when they see people like War Room, like OAN, like Brian Glenn, like myself in there.
00:37:07.060Because it really is an existential threat. And I don't use that in the climate change way.
00:37:11.480I use that in the true definitional sense of the word to their entire power model and raison d'etre, which is lying to the American people to cover for a regime in the form of Joe Biden,
00:37:22.860who doesn't even need to be a living, breathing human for four years because this city, this swamp can just sort of occur on, you know, the Death Star and just kind of a testing pattern because they don't need a strong man.
00:37:35.380But President Trump is the antithesis of that and represents someone who I think is so different.
00:37:40.100And I think you see that with these formidable people like Peter Navarro, like Caroline Levitt, who are actual beings and humans and entities and not these just, you know, NPC kind of grifter drifter types who don't even need to hold press briefings because they don't even know what's going on.
00:37:54.940So I think you're seeing sort of the, shall we say, beginning of the end, though it's a rather hasty end because the viewership is, what, like 12,000?
00:38:03.300I think we do that on just one streaming platform on a weekend.
00:38:06.360But that's sort of the sense that I get from being up close and personal to people who I'd frankly rather not have to be, but I'm happy to do it.
00:38:17.180You said, you know, today when we talked about coming on, you said, hey, the outrage of the day, they're all upset about USDA and the stopping of the foreign, you know, foreign policy money going to these different things.
00:38:27.680A judge just ruled, Judge Ali Khan in D.C., the most radical court, federal court in the land, just put a TRO on OMB's memo last night to everybody that said,
00:38:41.240if less it's Social Security and Medicare, full stop.
00:38:44.840We want all payments, all transferring payments.
00:38:46.840We just want everybody to freeze in place until we get our arms around this.
00:38:50.380That's breaking news here from a couple of minutes ago.
00:38:53.280But up until then, it was foreign policy.
00:38:54.960What has been the reaction of the media to that today?
00:39:00.860Sure, I saw Mark Elias' organization was just taking a huge victory lap over that decision.
00:39:06.220But I would say that that was sort of the prevailing and predominant questioning angle that I saw both at the press briefing today and also just about an hour ago.
00:39:15.120Stephen Miller did a little bit of a press gaggle outside the West Wing.
00:39:19.120Basically, every question was about the freeze on foreign aid, maybe scattering a few about the mass deportations, but it all sort of comes back to the thing itself.
00:39:28.880And, you know, I opened this segment by talking about how being in there amidst a bunch of people who take themselves seriously, though their job is to lie to the American people.
00:39:38.440And I think that the fact that this same press corps, who covered up the worst invasion of this country in history, the worst inflation, the worst trade deals, an administration that truly, truly didn't just put America last but put America first never,
00:39:53.040that they are now suddenly all up in arms.
00:39:56.260The only question they can ask is, well, is this freeze on foreign aid going to affect Americans?
00:40:01.620Is this going to affect, you know, these poor single mother, right?
00:40:05.040They always create like the worst scenario possible.
00:40:08.000And I just wanted to turn to them and say, where have you guys been for the last four years?
00:40:13.200I'm so glad that you guys now care about the American people and American citizens' emphasis on citizen.
00:40:19.720But for the last four years, these people never cared to ask a question about, I don't know, if any of the policies or proposals or money coming out,
00:40:26.820the horrible Biden regime ever did anything to put the American people first.
00:40:30.920So I think it sort of speaks to how they're using every single policy, every single news directive that comes out as a way to sort of weaponize against whoever may be at the sticks,
00:40:40.260whoever's talking, whether it's Caroline Leavitt or President Trump.
00:40:43.260But it was just such a funny moment where all these press corps people are standing there saying,
00:40:48.160well, what are you going to do for the American citizens?
00:40:50.580But in the same breath, why are you deporting criminal illegal aliens?
00:40:53.920I don't know if they're too dumb or they just hate this country to notice what's going on.
00:40:57.840But I will say one bright spot, like I said, there was a lot of foreign press here, too.
00:41:02.740I believe it was someone from a European Union country asked if Europe should be adopting a lot of President Trump's border.
00:41:10.820Policies, proposals, particularly when it comes to mass deportations.
00:41:14.500Stephen Miller said with a resounding, yes, they absolutely should.
00:41:18.400And I think the journalists seem to to concur.
00:41:21.260But, yeah, it's really it's such a gaslight to be around these people who now, I guess,
00:41:26.060because President Trump is maybe trying to strip, rightfully so, some federal grant money.
00:41:31.640Now they're apparently all for federal grants for the American people.
00:43:14.960You've seen, and Natalie started here as an intern, I think at 18 years old.
00:43:18.440Brian Glenn was at right-side broadcasting for years, doing all the rallies in 21, well, 20 and 21, but 21, 22, when it was, looked pretty grim for President Trump.
00:44:54.620So how do you, how does President Trump make sure that the effort to deport people who are not in this country legally doesn't end up hurting Americans who want safe borders?
00:45:08.200But also don't want to see even more higher prices in groceries.
00:45:13.140Well, I mean, I'm sure it's not your position, Jake.
00:45:16.300You're just asking the question that we should supply America's food with exploitative illegal alien labor.
00:45:23.240I obviously don't think that's what you're implying.
00:45:25.540Only 1% of alien workers in the entire country work in agriculture.
00:45:30.380The top destination for illegal aliens are large cities like New York, like Los Angeles, and small industrial towns, of course, all across the heartland, as we've seen with the Biden flights.
00:45:42.480None of those illegal aliens are doing farm work.
00:45:46.020Those 30,000 illegal aliens that Joe Biden dumped into Springfield.
00:45:48.780Yeah, I'm talking about the ones that are.