Bannon's War Room - Episode 4229： The Hearing Of RFK Jr.

00:00:00.000 of New Jersey. Tell us who you're with. I'm with New Jersey Public Health Innovation

00:00:04.600 Political Action Committee in New Jersey. And why are you here? I'm here to support Bobby

00:00:09.180 because he supported New Jersey for almost a decade and I wouldn't be any other place because

00:00:15.320 he's always come to New Jersey when we've called him. And as everyone knows in 2019, 2020, we

00:00:21.520 preserve the religious exemption and we're forever indebted to him as well as all the

00:00:26.960 advocates have shown up. Thank you so much, Melanie. So I'm here with Jill Perez and Amy

00:00:34.100 Lozeski, also from New Jersey. So why are you here today? Support Bobby. He was very supportive

00:00:40.660 of us in Trenton in 2019. I feel like he's done so much good for the environment and I just

00:00:47.180 think he will hopefully make some major changes in a very good direction. Well, tell us a little

00:00:52.760 bit about the Battle of Trenton. What was that about? So the Battle of Trenton, December

00:00:56.240 2019. Many of us remember it so well. We were there every Monday and Thursday as the legislators

00:01:01.660 met. We were there in January. We really were quite frightened we would lose our religious

00:01:06.780 exemption. I sat in the assembly as I watched us lose in the assembly and then we just continued

00:01:13.380 to show up and pray and know that we weren't going away and that we have this right and it

00:01:18.820 should never be taken away. And why is the religious exemption, why was that important to you?

00:01:22.720 Well, we've had it. So why should it be taken away? The timing was also quite

00:01:28.140 suspicious. But, you know, I'm actually an educator and my own children would have been

00:01:33.760 threatened with the potential of being kicked out of school, right? So we should always know

00:01:37.900 what's going on in our bodies and we should always have that choice. And we have it now.

00:01:41.400 And we thank him for that. Thank you, Joe.

00:01:57.820 Okay. Wednesday, 29 January in the year of our Lord, 2025, you're in the war room.

00:02:03.840 Today, ladies and gentlemen, history on Capitol Hill. Robert F. Kennedy Jr., the son of the

00:02:11.020 slain Bobby Kennedy, the brother of Jack Kennedy, is there for his confirmation hearing. And it's

00:02:16.480 going to be a wild one, as we've told you and prepped you. We're going to need people at

00:02:20.880 the ramparts today. 202-224-3121 is the Senate main switchboard. Also, Grace Chung, the queen

00:02:30.280 of the trolls, is going to be putting out Bill Blaster. We want to get to those local

00:02:33.720 offices. Also, you're going to have to stiffen some spines here. There's no doubt about that.

00:02:38.960 And today, so for the next, I don't know, 48, 72 hours, we're going to have Bobby Kennedy

00:02:46.460 today. And then tomorrow, doubleheader, Tulsi Gabbard, Cash Patel. So it's manned the ramparts.

00:02:52.840 And all three of these, Cash probably being the safest, but we can't take anything for granted.

00:02:58.000 Pam Bondi just came at a committee, voted at a committee 12 to 10 at a judiciary. They're

00:03:04.280 trying to expedite this. Thune and Senator Thune, we got to get on this. So folks, you

00:03:09.420 might want to call John Thune to start off with. There's a backlog because Democrats are

00:03:14.080 playing games. And quite frankly, we're not forcing the issue. We need to get these people

00:03:17.640 up, up, up to the floor, through committee, up to the floor. We need our team. Russ, vote

00:03:23.520 OMB. You see this situation yesterday with the funding. Federal judge stepped in right

00:03:30.520 now. And we're going to cut live, obviously, to the Senate hearing when Robert F. Kennedy

00:03:34.100 begins his opening statement. The rest of it would kind of be, maybe I'll tell you when

00:03:38.600 the minority, if I ask my crack production team here, when we look at the Democrat, when

00:03:42.220 they start reading, they're going to start reading Bobby Kennedy, the riot act. So the co-head,

00:03:46.080 the ranking member on the Democratic side, let me go, and we'll cut right to that. Not

00:03:50.500 the Republican. So today's a work day. Natalie Winters is at the White House. We're going to

00:03:57.600 get her this afternoon when we have more to report on how the White House is driving the

00:04:02.760 Kennedy nomination. Senator Rand Paul is scheduled to join us here momentarily. We wanted him.

00:04:08.960 We thought he was the perfect pick to talk about this. We also, Senator Tommy Teverville will

00:04:13.780 be in the 11 o'clock hour, even maybe if we can get time. Senator Rand Paul joins us right

00:04:18.860 now. Senator Rand Paul, thank you for coming to the war room today of all days. First off,

00:04:23.220 sir, could you give him perspective, since you're a doctor, walk through Bobby Kennedy's

00:04:28.420 credentials? I mean, he's getting lit up overnight. These Democrats are coming in from every different

00:04:33.180 direction. I think people look to you on the Republican side as a safe pair of hands of what's

00:04:39.120 right. You're the guy that led the fight against Fauci, which we'll get to in a minute.

00:04:42.080 Give us your perspective, sir, of Robert F. Kennedy Jr. as Secretary of HHS.

00:04:47.580 You know, I think he's a disruptor, but I think it's necessary to disrupt things.

00:04:52.660 We've got it wrong in public health for so long. I mean, we've actually recommended the wrong kind

00:04:58.160 of food to eat. The pyramid's been upside down, the food pyramid. So much about public health has

00:05:03.720 been wrong, and I think we need somebody new to come in. I think when people meet Bobby Kennedy and

00:05:09.020 have a conversation with him, and I've heard this from other senators, they're impressed with his

00:05:13.220 breadth of knowledge, his ability to discuss the specifics. But ultimately, the things he's for are

00:05:19.220 really not, shouldn't be that controversial. Transparency, open discussion of risks and

00:05:24.900 benefits. Look, everything has risks and benefits, and some of it depends on your age, some of it depends

00:05:29.520 on your weight, some of it depends on your lifestyle. There are all kinds of things that go into deciding

00:05:34.680 whether to take a medication, to take a vaccine, to take chemotherapy. I mean, there are all kinds of

00:05:40.340 questions that should be answered. This is what you want from your doctor and from your government

00:05:45.860 is objectivity. And I think what's happened over the last few years is that the government has been

00:05:51.720 dishonest with us, and it has led to a great deal of distrust of government. The only way they get back

00:05:57.200 is to have a truth teller who believes in transparency. I think Bobby Kennedy is that.

00:06:01.300 I think people are pretty shocked when someone like you says the government's been dishonest.

00:06:06.960 So let's leave Fauci aside. Where have you seen and experienced actually the health apparatus,

00:06:14.420 the big pharma health industrial complex in sworn testimony or in things where they in the government

00:06:22.080 where they should be, they should be honest and straightforward and transparent to the American

00:06:26.600 people? Where have you seen them be dishonest in the past? And what should people be looking for?

00:06:32.060 Well, particularly with the COVID vaccine, I think that they were dishonest in the sense that there's

00:06:36.800 a difference depending on how old you are, whether or not the risks exceed the benefits. So for example,

00:06:42.960 if this was March of 2020 and people were dying, a significant amount of people were dying in March of

00:06:48.000 2020, my advice would be if you were in the risk category, I'd take your chances with the vaccine.

00:06:53.140 I still think that the disease was worse than the vaccine for people probably over 60, over 65,

00:06:59.440 particularly if you're overweight. But for people under 40 or under 30 in particular,

00:07:04.680 or even under 20 who are thin and healthy, the risks of the vaccine actually exceed the benefits

00:07:10.960 of the vaccine. And this is absolutely true. And when the government said that everybody should be

00:07:16.020 taking not just one, not just two, but also three COVID vaccines for six month olds, people don't

00:07:22.340 believe that. And it's interesting if you look at the statistics, I think people are smarter than

00:07:26.320 you give them credit for them. Over age 65 in our country, 97% of people chose to get the vaccine

00:07:32.340 in 2020 or 2021 when it came out. If you look at under age 20 today, it's about maybe five or 10%

00:07:40.020 are giving their five and 10 year olds this vaccine because people are smart enough to know their kids

00:07:44.800 aren't dying from COVID. Their kids aren't going to the hospital. They can't even tell when their kids

00:07:48.520 get COVID and the virus is actually much less dangerous now. So it's really not about being

00:07:54.400 anti-vaccine or pro-vaccine. It's a nuanced position that I'm pro-freedom. The government

00:08:00.260 should give you honest information and then you can decide. If you're a worrywart and you want to

00:08:04.320 vaccinate your five-year-old with COVID vaccine, the harm is not real common, but there's about four

00:08:10.980 to six chances in 10,000 they could get a significant enough heart inflammation that they would present to

00:08:17.060 the emergency room with chest pain and elevated heart enzymes. If you're okay with those risks,

00:08:22.180 do it. But that's what happens in a free country. We give you the information. And I think because

00:08:27.060 of the dishonesty over the COVID vaccine, because of the mandates, because of this area, because of

00:08:32.660 them being wrong on six foot of distance, being wrong on the mask, everything they told us was

00:08:37.380 actually incorrect and actually led to more danger for us. I think because of that, people are now

00:08:44.180 distrusting virtually anything the government says. And while I think a healthy dose of distrust

00:08:49.300 is good, I think we also need transparency to bring back some trust. But Senator, I just want

00:08:55.940 to go back to that. Were they wrong or they actually knew and they lied to us? I think it's the latter,

00:09:01.400 but I'd like to hear your opinion. I remember you drilling and we covered, remember here at War Room,

00:09:06.180 we covered those hearings wall to wall. It turns out, I think they had facts and they thought the

00:09:12.800 American people were too stupid. And so they lie, did they lie to us? Did they get it wrong? Or they

00:09:17.940 knew what they were doing and they lied to us? What was, well, what did they do? Well, let's take

00:09:22.540 masks. If you take masks, for example, we studied masks for probably 20 years preceding this. And we

00:09:28.800 knew for the 20 years preceding this, and it was accepted by almost everybody, even in governmental

00:09:33.640 pandemic circles, all the people always wringing their hands and wanting to be prepared. They

00:09:38.440 acknowledged that masks didn't work. When they came on, initially, the only time Anthony Fauci was

00:09:43.400 honest is actually in private. He told his co-workers, you know, they don't work and you don't need to

00:09:48.080 wear them. But within a couple of months, he was wearing two and three masks. But where it's a real

00:09:53.180 disservice is by telling people that cloth masks work, let's say you're 75 years old and you go into

00:09:59.160 your spouse's bedroom and they have COVID and you're going to feed them and you really don't want to get

00:10:03.560 COVID from them. Wearing a cloth mask is a disservice to tell you that that's safe. So he actually told

00:10:09.880 you things that were unsafe to do and led to unsafe behavior. The same way with six foot of

00:10:14.900 distance. You would say, well, I'm at risk. I'm overweight. I have diabetes and my spouse has COVID. I'll

00:10:20.360 just stay six feet away from him. No, if you sit in the same room with them and it's a small room for 30

00:10:25.780 minutes, it travels across the entire room and throughout the house. So if you really were at risk, he gave you

00:10:31.240 bad advice there too. But did they know the truth? I think for the most part, they did know

00:10:36.040 the truth. In fact, some people point to this as sort of a platonic lie or a noble lie in the sense

00:10:42.920 that Anthony Fauci felt that the hoi polloi, that people are too stupid to make decisions for

00:10:47.820 themselves. So he would make the decisions even if it weren't true. He thought, well, maybe there might

00:10:52.600 be some net benefit for society, even though what I'm telling them isn't true. And I think that's a

00:10:57.560 terrible approach to take and why he should be harshly judged. And I think will be by history.

00:11:04.580 As a Roman Catholic, he's got a little bit too much Jesuit training. Senator Paul,

00:11:11.060 Bobby Kennedy is a disruptor. You're the strongest voice, the strongest pro-freedom kind of libertarian

00:11:16.980 voice in the United States Senate. Together, what can you two do together? What would be your

00:11:22.540 recommendation to him to do one or two big things against the pharma medical industrial complex?

00:11:28.920 Because quite frankly, let's be blunt, it owns this town. MSNBC would be a test pattern if you took

00:11:35.380 big pharma's advertising off there every night. The big pharma and big medical own this town. They

00:11:41.720 own the lobbyists. They own big law firms. They've got the media on their side. They particularly got the

00:11:46.520 left media. That's been a flip. The left media, MSNBC is cheering this on, cheered it on during a

00:11:51.180 pandemic. And you see, you know, 80% of their ads in prime time are related to big pharma. So what can

00:11:57.840 the disruptor, Bobby Kennedy, and the pro-freedom libertarian, Dr. Rand Paul, do to take on big pharma

00:12:05.820 medical industrial complex, sir? I think we need to try to separate pharmacy companies from writing

00:12:12.480 their own regulations and funding their own regulations. And that's been a real problem.

00:12:16.980 In recent years, it's gotten even worse. So for example, the patent on the mRNA vaccine for COVID

00:12:24.300 is shared by Moderna, Pfizer, and the government. Through lawsuits, the government has said, oh, we

00:12:31.080 own a portion of this patent. So Moderna gave them $450 million at the behest of the court. And then

00:12:36.840 Pfizer, I think, gave them $800 million. And you say, well, that's only fair. The government scientists

00:12:41.880 helped develop this. Yes and no. The problem with so much money going directly back to them,

00:12:46.820 is do you think that in the future decisions about Pfizer or Moderna drugs will be objective

00:12:52.340 or based on the fact that they bring in over a trillion dollars to the FDA and to the NIH? So I

00:12:59.720 think what has to happen is that money, if it is appropriate to go to the government or back to the

00:13:04.400 government scientists, shouldn't go directly into the NIH's pool of funds. It should go back to the

00:13:09.320 treasury and then the people's representatives should decide how to disperse it. But if you give people

00:13:14.240 the incentive to gain more money from a certain company by having better behavior, you will get

00:13:21.000 that kind of crony behavior, that crony capitalism, which is really what's been going on for decades.

00:13:25.980 So I think he will be very good on this. What I'm surprised is, is that there are people on the left

00:13:30.760 who are somewhat skeptical of big corporate influence in government like Bernie Sanders.

00:13:35.920 I would think he would leap at the chance to support Bobby Kennedy. And we haven't heard that.

00:13:40.120 I'm still hopeful that some of these people who have been critics from the left would support Bobby

00:13:45.580 Kennedy. If he can get a few Democrats, it'll make his journey to the nomination a lot easier.

00:13:50.560 So I know he's talking to Democrats. I'm hoping some of them will come on board. But many of the

00:13:55.000 things he says are consistent with that. On food, I think the number one thing we can do with food is

00:14:00.680 the government should quit subsidizing bad food. So for example, we have hundreds of millions of

00:14:07.120 dollars every year, hundreds of billions of dollars, well, millions, I guess, each year spent on food

00:14:12.280 stamps. We shouldn't have full strength Pepsi, Coke. We shouldn't have chips. We shouldn't have

00:14:18.560 Twinkies and Ding Dongs. All these bad foods shouldn't be provided by the taxpayer because the

00:14:23.920 biggest problem we have among the poor is actually overweight, obesity and diabetes. And we certainly

00:14:30.340 shouldn't be subsidizing that. That's something I've talked to all the nominees about, including

00:14:34.760 agriculture, because food stamps come out of agriculture. And I'm hoping the Trump administration

00:14:39.320 can do something dramatic on what kind of food the government subsidizes.

00:14:44.960 Senator Paul, you've been the tip of the spear about Anthony Fauci. We are banned on all platforms,

00:14:50.920 not just for the election, our correct call on the election of President Trump won in 2020, but also

00:14:56.280 because of us going after Dr. Anthony Fauci. We're banned on every major platform, although we're still

00:15:01.760 the second biggest podcast for politics in the country. Fauci, the pardon. Tom Fitton's recommending

00:15:08.540 from Judicial Watch is recommending to the president that the Justice Department do not

00:15:13.160 effectuate those pardons. What are your thoughts about Fauci? You've been the biggest voice and the

00:15:18.840 most reasonable voice, the most knowledgeable voice, let me say, going after Fauci, exposing his lies to

00:15:24.060 the public. And quite frankly, you caught him in, I don't know, two or 300 perjury traps during your

00:15:29.640 testimony. What is your recommendation about Anthony Fauci? You know, I can say that we're not done

00:15:36.460 with him or the investigation. There's something very specific that I'm looking for. Anthony Fauci

00:15:42.760 said that his people told him it was not gain-of-function research that happened in Wuhan,

00:15:47.960 wasn't dangerous, and didn't need to go to the safety committee. For three, four years, I've been

00:15:52.840 asking for the deliberations. I want to see the arguments that happened on why they skipped the safety

00:15:58.800 committee. I want to know who was in the meetings, and I want to know if the notes or the meeting was

00:16:03.260 approved by Anthony Fauci or Francis Collins. But interestingly, I haven't gotten one piece of paper

00:16:08.720 in four years that indicates any of the deliberations that went on on this research,

00:16:14.080 which makes me think that there is something there. If Anthony Fauci or Francis Collins is

00:16:19.040 connected to this approval process, they ultimately will come back in. Now, whether or not he goes to jail or

00:16:24.800 not, I think he's tainted for all time now. I think history is going to judge him harshly.

00:16:29.720 And by accepting this open-ended pardon for what have you, we're going to fill in the blank of what

00:16:35.500 have you. And filling in the blank is basically he is culpable for, you know, the millions of deaths

00:16:41.520 through the pandemic. And he won't escape that in history because he will now have been pardoned

00:16:47.680 basically for that. But he's not done in the sense that people who are pardoned also cannot take the

00:16:53.960 Fifth Amendment when asked about those particular issues. So we will bring him back in, and I don't

00:16:59.160 believe he'll be able to plead the Fifth Amendment to us. So we'll see what happens. But we're moving

00:17:02.820 rapidly on this. I issued 14 subpoenas in the last week. We are rapidly going after this information.

00:17:08.760 Are you talking to John Ratcliffe at CIA? You've had two big leaks come out of the CIA, or not even leaks,

00:17:15.700 statements. Number one, the lab leak theory, which remember, we shifted to war room pandemic in mid-January

00:17:21.260 of 2020 off of war room impeachment. We were the first ones to break this story. We were the first ones to

00:17:26.300 talk about Wuhan because I'd been to Wuhan. Is Ratcliffe saying now the CIA believes it was a lab leak

00:17:35.340 theory, and they withheld that information. And now the second shoe to drop, they actually think

00:17:40.120 the Chinese Communist Party may have on purposely released the gain of function, the powered up

00:17:45.560 virus into the population. Or are you coordinating with him? Are you sitting down with intelligence?

00:17:50.540 Are you going to get the intelligence brief to see how deep this goes into the U.S. government and

00:17:55.500 the Chinese Communist Party and the PLA? Yes, I've subpoenaed documents from the CIA. We've gotten

00:18:01.760 a production in the last couple of days from them. I've talked this over with Ratcliffe in his nomination

00:18:07.720 process. The interesting thing is, is we had a whistleblower six months, nine months ago, come to us from the CIA

00:18:15.040 and say that the scientists there had met internally and voted that they believed that the source of the

00:18:22.660 virus, the source of the pandemic, was the lab. And then they were overruled by superiors. We're still gaining

00:18:28.480 information on that debate. But in the process of asking for that information, surprisingly,

00:18:33.680 the previous CIA director instituted a reevaluation two months ago. And the conclusions came out

00:18:40.760 actually under the Biden administration, but then were released by Ratcliffe. So transparency is what

00:18:46.340 we're really looking for. We voted unanimously in both the House and the Senate to declassify all of

00:18:51.900 this material. And so I think Ratcliffe is going to help us to put shine light on it. But we now have

00:18:57.180 the Department of Energy, FBI, and CIA all saying it came from the lab. So what we need to make sure

00:19:03.100 is that this never happens again.

00:19:06.660 Yep. Senator Paul, we're going to jump to Bobby Kennedy's live testimony. We appreciate it.

00:19:10.800 Where's your social media? Now that Sergio's in the White House and not with you, we've got to make

00:19:15.040 sure that people can track you down and catch you all the time on social media.

00:19:20.900 Paul.senate.gov is good. We're on Facebook. We're on X. We're on Instagram.

00:19:27.400 We're on wherever people go on the Internet. You can find us.

00:19:32.340 Senator Rand Paul, thank you so much for joining us this morning. Appreciate you.

00:19:39.020 Let's go live to Bobby Kennedy's confirmation hearing.

00:19:44.320 Chairman Grapeau, ranking member Wyden, and members of this distinguished committee.

00:19:49.220 I'm humbled to be sitting here today as President Trump's nominee to oversee the U.S. Department

00:19:56.340 of Health and Human Services.

00:19:58.820 I want to thank President Trump for entrusting me to deliver on his promise to make America

00:20:05.200 healthy again.

00:20:06.220 I also want to thank Cheryl and Kick and Bobby and all of my other children who are here today

00:20:14.420 and all the many members of my large extended family for the love that they have so generously

00:20:20.960 shared.

00:20:21.560 Ours has always been a family that has been involved in public service, and I look forward

00:20:28.780 to continuing that tradition.

00:20:31.420 My journey into the issue of health began with my career as an environmental attorney,

00:20:37.800 working with hunters and fishermen and mothers in a small town in the Hudson Valley and along

00:20:44.100 the Hudson River, I learned very early on that human health and environmental injuries are

00:20:53.360 intertwined.

00:20:54.620 The same chemicals that kill fish make people sick also.

00:21:00.460 Today, Americans' overall health is in grievous condition.

00:21:04.220 Over 70% of adults and a third of children are overweight or obese.

00:21:09.300 diabetes is 10 times more prevalent than it was during the 1960s.

00:21:15.220 Cancer among young people is rising by 1% or 2% a year.

00:21:19.960 Autoimmune diseases, neurodevelopmental disorders, Alzheimer's, asthma, ADHD, depression, addiction,

00:21:29.380 and a host of other physical and mental health conditions are all on the rise, some of them

00:21:34.820 exponentially.

00:21:35.640 The United States has worse health than any other developed nation, yet we spend more on

00:21:42.340 health care, at least double, and in some cases triple, as other countries.

00:21:47.800 Last year, we spent $4.8 trillion, not counting the indirect costs of missed work.

00:21:54.660 That's almost a fifth of GDP.

00:21:58.560 It's tantamount to a 20% tax on the entire economy.

00:22:02.560 No wonder America has trouble competing with countries that pay a third of what we do for

00:22:09.020 health and have better outcomes and a healthier workforce.

00:22:13.560 But I don't want to make this too much about money.

00:22:16.720 It's the human tragedy that moves us to care.

00:22:21.020 President Trump has promised to restore America's global strength and to restore the American dream,

00:22:26.860 but he understands we can't be a strong nation when our people are so sick.

00:22:34.480 A healthy person has a thousand dreams.

00:22:37.680 A sick person has only one.

00:22:40.920 Today, over half of our countrymen and women are chronically ill.

00:22:44.360 When I met with President Trump last summer, I discovered that he has more than just concern for this tragic situation, but genuine care.

00:22:55.060 President Trump is committed to restoring the American dream, and 77 million Americans delivered a mandate to him to do just that,

00:23:05.200 due in part to the embrace and elevation of the Make America Healthy Again movement.

00:23:10.560 This movement, led largely by Maha Moms from every state, and you can see many of them behind us today,

00:23:18.460 and in the hallways and in the lobbies, is one of the most transcendent and powerful movements I've ever seen.

00:23:26.340 I promised President Trump that if confirmed, I will do everything in my power to put the health of Americans back on track.

00:23:35.780 And I've been greatly heartened to discover a deep level of care among members of this committee, too, both Democrats and Republicans.

00:23:43.720 I came away from our conversations confident that we can put aside our divisions for the sake of a healthier America.

00:23:50.960 For a long time, the nation has been locked in a divisive health care debate about who pays.

00:23:59.220 Well, when health care costs reach 20%, there are no good options, only bad ones.

00:24:06.240 Shifting the burden around between government and corporations and insurers and providers and families

00:24:12.540 is like rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.

00:24:15.980 Our country will sink beneath a sea of desperation and debt if we don't change the course and ask,

00:24:23.660 why are health care costs so high in the first place?

00:24:28.420 The obvious answer is chronic disease.

00:24:32.120 The CDC says 90% of health care spending goes toward managing chronic disease,

00:24:37.760 which hits lower-income Americans the hardest.

00:24:41.020 The President's pledge is not to make some Americans happy again, healthy again,

00:24:47.700 but to make all of our people healthy again.

00:24:51.240 There is no single culprit in chronic disease, much as I have criticized certain industries and agencies.

00:24:58.960 President Trump and I understand that most of their scientists and experts genuinely care about American health.

00:25:05.220 Therefore, we will bring together all stakeholders in pursuit of this unifying goal.

00:25:12.960 Before I conclude, I want to make sure the committee is clear about a few things.

00:25:18.000 News reports have claimed that I am anti-vaccine or anti-industry.

00:25:22.400 I am neither.

00:25:23.360 I am pro-safety.

00:25:25.500 We'll have order.

00:25:40.480 Please proceed, Mr. Kennedy.

00:25:42.580 I am pro-safety.

00:25:44.280 I worked for years to raise awareness about the mercury and toxic chemicals in fish,

00:25:50.300 and nobody called me anti-fish.

00:25:52.420 And I believe that vaccines play a critical role in health care.

00:26:00.580 All of my kids are vaccinated.

00:26:03.060 I've written many books on vaccines.

00:26:05.220 My first book in 2014, the first line of it is,

00:26:09.760 I am not anti-vaccine, and the last line is,

00:26:12.800 I am not anti-vaccine.

00:26:15.020 Nor am I the enemy of food producers.

00:26:17.200 American farms are the bedrock of our culture, of our politics, of our national security.

00:26:23.500 I was a 4-H kid, and I spent my summer working on ranches.

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00:26:48.140 In my advocacy, I've often disturbed the status quo by asking uncomfortable questions.

00:26:56.220 Well, I'm not going to apologize for that.

00:26:58.860 We have massive health problems in this country that we must face, honestly.

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00:27:19.680 That's why I'm so grateful to President Trump,

00:27:23.480 the opportunity to sit before you today,

00:27:26.200 and seek your support and partnership in this endeavor.

00:27:29.620 I will conclude with a promise.

00:27:33.520 The members of this committee, to the President,

00:27:36.460 and to all the tens of millions of parents across America,

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00:27:45.960 Should I be so privileged as to be confirmed,

00:27:48.820 we will make sure our tax dollars support healthy foods.

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00:27:56.580 We will remove financial conflicts of interest from our agencies.

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00:28:12.580 We will reverse the chronic disease epidemic

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00:28:18.640 Thank you.

00:28:21.060 Thank you, Mr. Kennedy.

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00:32:19.000 Action, action, action.

00:32:20.300 Mr. Kennedy, I will begin.

00:32:24.700 Each of us will have five minutes to ask you questions.

00:32:27.280 And then at the conclusion of the hearing, if there are further questions.

00:32:30.780 Okay.

00:32:31.160 Here's what we're going to do.

00:32:32.100 We're going to go back as we normally do.

00:32:34.560 The Republicans are going to ask him, I don't want to say softballs,

00:32:37.860 but they'll ask him questions.

00:32:39.740 It's the Democrats are going to come after him.

00:32:41.360 I think it's quite important.

00:32:42.620 I want this to be a teaching moment.

00:32:45.300 One of the things we're focused on here is the established order

00:32:50.280 and how the established order runs the deal in the United States.

00:32:54.220 There's not really a difference between Republicans and Democrats.

00:32:57.460 The two sides are the same neoliberal, neocon coin.

00:33:01.820 To wit, the Wall Street Journal, Rupert Murdoch.

00:33:04.740 I haven't seen Paul Gijo.

00:33:06.920 I can say this.

00:33:07.920 Paul Gijo has a person he hates more than Steve Bannon,

00:33:10.300 and that is Bobby Kennedy.

00:33:11.980 The Murdoch apparatus is all in on a takedown of Bobby Kennedy.

00:33:16.860 Okay.

00:33:17.460 Now, we start off this with Wyden.

00:33:20.920 Wyden, Senator Wyden.

00:33:22.260 You remember Wyden from Scott Besson.

00:33:24.700 From the, from the, from the, from the, from, just give me a heads up.

00:33:28.000 We'll go back to Bobby live as soon as he gets asked a cheap shot question.

00:33:33.180 You remember Wyden with Scott Besson.

00:33:35.940 And Scott Besson did what we recommend to everybody.

00:33:38.320 When a guy like Wyden asked a wise guy a question, take a deep breath,

00:33:42.240 Scott adjusted his glasses, very professorial, and that's a tell with him.

00:33:47.180 And then in a very calm manner, he went, he just lit up Wyden about what a moron he was

00:33:53.000 in a very gentlemanly way.

00:33:54.740 And that sent a message.

00:33:56.360 You never saw really a tough question coming from any of the Democrats the rest of the day.

00:34:01.020 Why?

00:34:02.300 Because Scott showed him right there that he knows 10 times more about the topic than they do.

00:34:06.820 And if you want to be made a fool on global television, we're right here to do it.

00:34:11.400 Wyden had that opportunity today.

00:34:12.780 He's the ranking member.

00:34:13.980 Remember the structure you have?

00:34:15.200 You have, we can, we control the committee.

00:34:17.840 This, okay, let's go.

00:34:18.760 We're going to go back live.

00:34:20.020 I'll continue this lesson.

00:34:21.420 Let's go back live to the Senate.

00:34:22.680 You have conflicting stories about vaccines.

00:34:26.320 You say one thing and then you say another.

00:34:30.280 In your testimony today under oath, you denied that you were anti-vaccine.

00:34:34.780 But during a podcast interview in July of 2023, you said, quote,

00:34:39.400 no vaccine is safe and effective.

00:34:42.220 In your testimony today, in order to prove you're not anti-vax, you note that all your

00:34:49.000 kids are vaccinated.

00:34:51.220 But in a podcast in 2020, you said, and I quote, you would do anything, pay anything to go back

00:34:59.620 in time and not vaccinate your kids.

00:35:03.360 Mr. Kennedy, all of these things cannot be true.

00:35:08.780 So, so are you lying to Congress today when you say you are pro-vaccine or did you lie

00:35:16.540 on all those podcasts?

00:35:18.140 We have all of this on tape, by the way.

00:35:20.800 Yeah, Senator, as you know, because it's been repeatedly debunked, that statement that I

00:35:27.540 made on the Lex Friedman podcast was a fragment of the statement.

00:35:31.860 He asked me, and anybody who actually goes and looks at that podcast, and we'll see

00:35:38.640 this.

00:35:39.000 He asked me, are there vaccines that are safe and effective?

00:35:41.840 And I said to him, some of the live virus vaccines are.

00:35:45.920 And I said, there are no vaccines that are safe and effective.

00:35:49.300 And I was going to continue for every person.

00:35:52.460 Every medicine has people who are sensitive to them, including vaccines.

00:35:57.640 Right.

00:35:57.920 So he interrupted me at that point.

00:36:01.020 I've corrected it many times, including on national TV.

00:36:04.100 You know about this, Senator Wyden.

00:36:06.160 So bringing this up right now is dishonest.

00:36:08.920 Let's be clear about what you've actually done then, since you want to deny your statements.

00:36:15.300 For example, you have a history of trying to take vaccines away from people.

00:36:21.560 In May of 2021, you petitioned the Food and Drug Administration to not only block Americans

00:36:28.520 from having access to the COVID vaccine, but to prevent any future access to the life-saving

00:36:36.480 vaccine.

00:36:37.240 Are you denying that?

00:36:38.280 Your name is on the petition.

00:36:39.920 We brought that petition after CDC recommended the COVID vaccine without any scientific basis

00:36:51.880 for six-year-old children.

00:36:54.200 Most experts agree today, even the people who did it back then, that COVID vaccines are

00:37:01.000 inappropriate for six-year-old children who basically have a zero risk from COVID.

00:37:06.820 That's why I brought that lawsuit.

00:37:08.560 I don't want to, I want to emphasize this.

00:37:11.560 Mr. Kennedy, the facts, the facts.

00:37:16.440 The committee will be in order.

00:37:23.880 And to the audience.

00:37:27.960 Senator, I'm not against vaccine.

00:37:29.860 If you'll hold off for a second, Mr. Kennedy.

00:37:31.700 To the audience.

00:37:33.740 Comments from the audience are inappropriate and out of order.

00:37:36.820 And if there are any further disruptions, the committee will recess until the police can

00:37:42.440 restore order.

00:37:44.440 Please follow the rules of the committee.

00:37:46.980 Mr. Kennedy, you may proceed.

00:37:48.620 I also want to point out that your recitation of what happened in Samoa is absolutely wrong.

00:37:56.800 And you know it's wrong.

00:37:58.060 And you know it's wrong.

00:37:59.060 We'll get to that in a moment.

00:38:00.660 Right now, we're talking about the petition that you filed to block Americans from having

00:38:06.000 access to the vaccine and to prevent any future access to the vaccine.

00:38:11.360 Those facts are on the record.

00:38:13.080 My third question to you is, you made almost $5 million from book deals, mostly promoting

00:38:20.640 junk science.

00:38:21.640 In 2021, in a book called The Measles Book, you wrote that parents had been, quote, misled

00:38:26.880 into believing that measles is a deadly disease and that measles vaccines are necessary, safe,

00:38:32.560 and effective.

00:38:33.120 The reality is measles are, in fact, deadly and highly contagious, something that you should

00:38:38.960 have learned after your lives contributed to the deaths of 83 people, most of them children,

00:38:45.180 in a measles outbreak in Samoa.

00:38:47.400 So my question here is, Mr. Kennedy, is measles deadly, yes or no?

00:38:52.760 Now, the death rate from measles historically in this country in 1963, the year before the

00:39:01.400 introduction of the vaccine, was 1 in 10,000.

00:39:05.040 Let me explain what happened in Samoa.

00:39:07.580 In Samoa, in 2017 or 2015, there were two kids who died following the MMR vaccine.

00:39:16.160 And the vaccination rates in Samoa dropped precipitously from about 63% to the mid-30s, so they'd never

00:39:24.940 been very high.

00:39:26.660 And in 2018, two more kids died following the MMR vaccine, and the government in Samoa banned

00:39:32.600 the MMR vaccine.

00:39:34.460 I arrived a year later when vaccination rates were already below any previous level.

00:39:43.220 I went there, nothing to do with vaccines.

00:39:45.800 I went there to introduce a medical informatics system with digitalized records in Samoa and

00:39:52.220 make health delivery much more efficient.

00:39:55.080 I never gave any public statement about vaccines.

00:39:58.580 You cannot find a single Samoan who will say, I didn't get a vaccine because of Bobby Kennedy.

00:40:06.400 I went in June of 2019.

00:40:08.660 The measles outbreak started in August.

00:40:11.380 Oh, clearly, I had nothing to do with the measles.

00:40:13.580 Not only that, Senator, not only that, if you let me finish, Senator.

00:40:17.580 You have had some time, and I'm going to respond.

00:40:19.000 If you let me finish, Senator.

00:40:20.880 If you let me finish.

00:40:23.180 There were 83 people died.

00:40:25.820 When the tissue samples were sent to New Zealand, most of those people did not have measles.

00:40:32.300 We don't know what was killing them.

00:40:33.760 The same outbreak occurred in Tonga and Fiji, and no extra people died.

00:40:39.380 There were seven measles outbreaks in the 13 years prior to my arrival.

00:40:43.000 I just would like to get my time back.

00:40:45.760 The nominee wrote a book saying that people had been misled into believing that measles is a deadly disease.

00:40:53.320 He's trying now to play down his role in Samoa.

00:40:55.840 That's not what the parents say.

00:40:57.420 That's not what Governor Green says.

00:40:59.300 It's time to make sure that we blow the whistle on actually what your views are.

00:41:03.680 At least we're starting.

00:41:05.400 We need to move on.

00:41:05.880 Senator, I support the measles vaccine.

00:41:08.380 I support the polio vaccine.

00:41:10.180 I will do nothing as HHS secretary.

00:41:13.620 That makes it difficult or discourages people from taking either of those vaccines.

00:41:17.340 Anybody who believes that ought to look at the measles book you wrote saying parents have been misled into believing that measles is a deadly disease.

00:41:25.940 That's not true.

00:41:27.140 We need to move on.

00:41:28.400 Senator Grassley.

00:41:30.540 Welcome.

00:41:34.360 Let's take it back.

00:41:36.460 Grassley could get interesting.

00:41:37.760 We'll check in there in a second.

00:41:41.040 Wyden is providing air cover right now for big pharma.

00:41:45.140 This is why I think in this town, as I say, Republicans and Democrats, the labels mean nothing.

00:41:51.820 You're either a populist nationalist or you're a globalist elite.

00:41:55.900 You either believe in America first, American citizens first, or you're a neoliberal neocon.

00:42:02.200 Two sides of the same coin.

00:42:03.960 Who's coming after Bobby Kennedy today in defending big pharma is the Murdoch enterprise, particularly the Wall Street Journal.

00:42:12.660 And Paul Jujo and these guys are off the chain and coming after Bobby Kennedy.

00:42:18.580 Now, you just see right there, Wyden was softballing his kind of opening.

00:42:22.200 And he's getting lit up.

00:42:23.700 Still on social media, he's getting lit up as a defender of, and this is a Democrat.

00:42:27.440 This is a ranking member.

00:42:28.460 He's getting lit up as a defender of big pharma.

00:42:31.600 And Bobby Kennedy, and this is one of the things we want to make sure that everybody understands.

00:42:38.520 Because these hearings provide two things if you want to do a blocking.

00:42:45.420 Number one, excuse me, you can vote them down.

00:42:49.420 And because of your efforts, that's not going to happen.

00:42:52.720 That's not going to happen.

00:42:53.760 Or you can get them off the one or two things, this is what we asked Rand Paul, the one or two big things that you want to accomplish.

00:43:04.600 Let's go back in time to Matt Gaetz.

00:43:07.380 Remember the day that Matt Gaetz went to Capitol Hill with J.D. Vance and they walked around and met certain senators.

00:43:14.320 And then, later in the day, it was leaked that Matt Gaetz had to promise, what, not to go after MSNBC, not to go after Fauci, not to go after the people who came up with the president.

00:43:25.480 He had committed this in the room.

00:43:26.700 Now, I didn't believe it, but you could see what's already happening.

00:43:30.040 They want to box in.

00:43:31.080 If they can't defeat a Trump nominee, they want to box it in.

00:43:35.060 They want to box it in.

00:43:35.980 And that's what you're seeing right now.

00:43:37.160 The force Bobby Kennedy to say, I support the polio vaccine.

00:43:40.200 I support the measles vaccine.

00:43:41.440 I'm not making, I'm not impining whether that's right or wrong or not.

00:43:45.120 I'm telling you the kind of statics and dynamics of how these things work.

00:43:49.800 They actually believe, ladies and gentlemen, that they can defeat Bobby Kennedy.

00:43:54.520 There was a time they thought some Democrats might vote for him, but I think right now they think the momentum has shifted back.

00:44:00.640 They think it's shifted back to actually this thing could be a coin flip.

00:44:06.840 And so this is all about performance of Bobby Kennedy today and going through this.

00:44:12.100 And this could be a tough one.

00:44:13.560 Of course, a lot of the war, some of the war room posse is already in the room.

00:44:17.640 There was a huge line outside today.

00:44:20.220 And Clara Dooley, the great filmmaker, was out there doing interviews.

00:44:23.240 The Children's Health Defense was out there.

00:44:26.980 Mary Holland, who's the president, they were out doing interviews of people in the crowd, in the line.

00:44:31.480 Tons of supporters.

00:44:32.240 But you can tell there's some non-supporters also in there.

00:44:36.560 I think some people maybe even a little, even farther and more of a disruptor than Kennedy.

00:44:43.560 You're going to get both type of disruptors.

00:44:45.800 Like I said, we will go back to all the Democrat questions because that's where the meat and the sustenance is going to be.

00:44:50.660 Just to put it in perspective, we might try to get Senator Tuberville in here momentarily.

00:44:57.340 Don't know if we're going to be able to pull that off in our particular where the hearing is going.

00:45:00.100 Kerry Lake, I think we're going to bump her this afternoon.

00:45:02.660 We're going to go to the White House live for Natalie.

00:45:04.920 So much going on.

00:45:06.820 Overnight, so two memos came out yesterday in the deconstruction of the administrative state.

00:45:13.760 Number one was this, hey, we're stopping all funds flow until we get a handle around it.

00:45:18.100 I believe this came because if you saw the executive orders or executive actions President Trump's taken the last 48, 72 hours about USAID, about WHO, things that are very high in the war room posse's agenda, right, of shutting down and making sure are gone.

00:45:40.120 There would be reports afterwards of things like EPA and the Green New Deal.

00:45:45.440 And we showed you that headline from the Financial Times last week to talk about $300 billion.

00:45:50.140 Remember that, quote-unquote, carved back by President Trump or impounded.

00:45:54.760 Remember the word impoundment.

00:45:56.040 Write that one down because that's going to be a major issue.

00:45:59.340 This is where Congress has authorized it, right, appropriated it.

00:46:03.860 Remember, appropriations is a law.

00:46:05.540 They've appropriated money, but the theory of the case is that's the ceiling, not the floor.

00:46:11.380 That's the ceiling and not even a hard target that you can – the president by executive action can carve back on that.

00:46:17.320 That is quite controversial.

00:46:18.860 I think that that might actually go to the Supreme Court if the opposition can find – can get standing.

00:46:25.020 So what happens over the last 72 hours is two things.

00:46:27.460 Number one, they put out basically an OMB directive to say full stop, no transfers, no grants, and essentially how everything in the government is essentially financed except stuff that's direct.

00:46:42.140 And there was a firestorm.

00:46:44.140 I believe this exercise was to show where the money's going but also with the feedback you saw last night, particularly on MSNBC.

00:46:51.300 They go through hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of programs, and people start asking the question, we fund all this?

00:46:58.800 Because remember, to deconstruct the administrative state and particularly to cut spending, which does – has to do with OMB, you're going to have a fight, and you're going to have to have an unpleasant conversation.

00:47:09.260 You're not going to – this discretionary spending and even the Medicaid spending hasn't gotten where it's gotten without both parties being cool with it.

00:47:20.300 This is the controlled opposition of the Republican Party.

00:47:23.740 So this will – part of it was, I think, to expose that.

00:47:27.240 A federal judge, an Obama appointee, one of the most radical judges in the D.C. circuit, and you know how bad they are given J6.

00:47:36.080 She's put a temporary restraining or a stay on this until Monday when both sides are going to get in there and argue it.

00:47:42.880 Although, I think she even said, hey, I've got to see some specific damages from potential plaintiffs to see if this is just not government action.

00:47:53.220 Now, the case that other people are making is saying, hey, Johnson, this is all in the CR that you just kicked the can down the road.

00:48:00.480 This is a Republican House.

00:48:02.040 The Speaker, what's your beef?

00:48:04.500 You're Republicans.

00:48:05.720 You're guys.

00:48:06.620 You're telling it doesn't know where the money's going.

00:48:08.860 This is the heart of the matter.

00:48:11.920 This also gets back to this theory of the unified executive.

00:48:16.300 He's the chief executive officer.

00:48:18.480 He's the commander-in-chief.

00:48:19.880 He's also, wait for it, the chief magistrate and the chief law enforcement officer.

00:48:24.680 So you'll give me a heads up when Bobby's back with a Democrat.

00:48:28.240 So the question with Trump is, hey, I see where that – yes, I see where the appropriations bill is.

00:48:37.100 I see where this has gone.

00:48:38.420 It doesn't mean that we're not going to think through how we cut this from the executive branch point of view.

00:48:44.280 And we've got OMB.

00:48:45.220 That's why – and remember, please, this is why Russ' vote is so important.

00:48:49.840 Now, Russ' vote has not been confirmed.

00:48:51.480 This gets back to our situation with Thune.

00:48:53.320 The number is 202-224-3121.

00:48:55.240 Today, you can take two actions.

00:48:59.380 Number one, call John Thune's office.

00:49:01.880 Allow his staff to know that it's quite important that we expedite – we expedite the hearings and the votes at a committee.

00:49:10.420 We break cloture and we get to the floor.

00:49:13.260 That it's taken too long to get Pam Bondi.

00:49:15.800 It's too long for Russ' vote.

00:49:17.380 We don't want to wait for Cash Patel or Tulsi Gabbard, particularly Bobby Kennedy.

00:49:21.260 We've got to get on with it.

00:49:22.160 But it's only a handful of people have been – only a handful of people have been approved.

00:49:28.040 So we've got to get on with that.

00:49:29.280 So 202-224-3121.

00:49:32.260 Make sure you call Thune and be polite but firm.

00:49:35.840 We've got to get on with this.

00:49:36.720 And people should be working all night.

00:49:38.440 I don't know why they're knocking off over there.

00:49:40.520 I don't know why they're not working all weekends.

00:49:42.940 You know, this was committed to the president where you get these – and, you know, Trump right now is all gas, no brake.

00:49:49.020 It's all pedal, no brake, as it should be.

00:49:52.180 So that's number one.

00:49:53.040 This was huge, right?

00:49:54.920 Could have been done a little tighter.

00:49:56.340 Hey, maybe.

00:49:57.900 But, you know, people are rolling hard.

00:50:00.220 There's – like I said, there's a dozen major things every day.

00:50:03.220 It's flood the zone.

00:50:04.440 You don't want the enemy – the people, the mainstream media cannot get a grip on this.

00:50:07.620 They can't even – there's a half a dozen.

00:50:09.300 I said yesterday, a half a dozen to ten things every day, they get a blip in – they get a blip on the Associated Press.

00:50:16.600 They get a blip on the Hill.

00:50:17.900 But nobody even does any in-depth research because it's just too much.

00:50:21.000 They're too overwhelmed.

00:50:23.880 The – of course, the other thing big, they – besides the 17 inspector generals and the 160 detailees getting sent home, all types of structural things.

00:50:36.480 Then last night, another bomb, and I believe this is coming from the – so one was OMB, right, working with Stephen Miller.

00:50:44.280 And what I will do, Bobby's still filibustering.

00:50:47.220 We haven't gotten to the – we haven't gotten to a Democrat.

00:50:49.620 I'd love – Bobby's going to filibuster the hell out of this thing, right?

00:50:53.060 It's Cornyn?

00:50:53.940 Yeah, don't – I don't – Cornyn's fine.

00:50:56.480 He's a – I was down in Texas.

00:50:59.340 Cornyn's going to have a big issue in this reelect.

00:51:01.340 The grassroots down there, they got Cornyn target.

00:51:06.480 The other big thing, this came from Doge.

00:51:07.900 So one came from OMB, and this was massive.

00:51:10.200 The massive, hey, stop all the three-train.

00:51:12.360 We want to see where all the money is.

00:51:13.540 People are shocked.

00:51:14.760 I think the president's shocked about every program, every funding, all the NGOs.

00:51:20.660 I've got it up on Getter.

00:51:22.780 I think I gave it to Natalie.

00:51:24.040 I think Alex Jones put it up too.

00:51:25.220 There's an amazing, like, infographic of the thousands and thousands of NGOs that are all supported by this.

00:51:33.200 Remember, it's a racket.

00:51:34.340 It's a total racket.

00:51:35.120 So part of that was a learning exercise.

00:51:38.960 Number two, the other big one – and this came, I think, from the Doge guys.

00:51:42.800 This is another blockbuster.

00:51:44.480 They kind of put the – they put the administrative state on notice.

00:51:47.960 They said, hey, you've got a date to return to the office to come back, number one.

00:51:52.300 Number two, we're going to give every employee an option by – I think it's February 8th.

00:51:57.220 Today's January 28th.

00:51:58.500 This was yesterday.

00:51:59.020 By February 8th, we need you to make a decision.

00:52:00.780 If you want to stick around, there's a new sheriff in town.

00:52:04.880 There'll be new rules and regulations.

00:52:06.460 You've got to work from office, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

00:52:08.640 Or you can take a buyout.

00:52:10.620 Now, a buyout – people in media companies know this.

00:52:13.040 Buyout, particularly in restructurings or turnarounds or, like, in a failing company like most media companies today, mainstream media,

00:52:19.380 they offer buyouts, which really they give a – okay, I'm going to get back to this.

00:52:23.180 Let's go back to the Senate floor.

00:52:24.760 Bobby Kennedy, take another incoming from a Democrat.

00:52:27.060 This morning here in the U.S. Senate, and this committee is being asked to fulfill a really important responsibility,

00:52:36.940 which is to decide whether to confirm Mr. Kennedy to one of the most important health care jobs in America.

00:52:44.240 And the reason I think it's so important is for many of the reasons you said in your opening statement,

00:52:49.460 which is that we live in the richest country in the world,

00:52:53.040 and we have some of the worst health outcomes of any industrialized country in the world.

00:52:58.420 We live in the richest country in the world, and we have some of the lowest life expectancy rates of anybody in the industrialized world.

00:53:09.980 I was a school superintendent before I was in this job, Mr. Chairman,

00:53:15.140 and I can tell you that Mr. Kennedy's right, you know, that when I look at the kids in the Denver public schools,

00:53:21.680 if we don't change the way we eat in this country, 40 percent of them are going to suffer adult diabetes as a result of their diet.

00:53:34.180 These are, and we're, as I said, spending more than any other country in the world,

00:53:39.280 and our families, every single person's constituents in this Senate are facing chronic shortages when it comes to health care.

00:53:47.880 My friend from Texas, Senator Cornyn, has been a champion on mental health care.

00:53:52.600 We have an epidemic, as he knows, across this country in mental health care,

00:53:58.700 partly because of what the massive social media platforms that were sitting behind the president of the United States

00:54:09.020 have inflicted on our children for their profit in the last decade or so.

00:54:13.940 So we have no shortage of challenges to confront, and I even agree with some of the diagnosis of Mr. Kennedy.

00:54:24.700 What is so disturbing to me is that out of 330 million Americans,

00:54:30.580 we're being asked to put somebody in this job who has spent 50 years of his life

00:54:36.220 not honoring the tradition that he talked about at the beginning of this conversation,

00:54:41.280 but peddling in half-truths, peddling in false statements,

00:54:46.880 peddling in theories that, you know, create doubt about whether or not things that we know are safe are unsafe.

00:54:56.780 Not that every vaccine in America is unsafe, not that you can't possibly have an adverse reaction,

00:55:04.200 but that parents and children in my old school district and school districts all over this country

00:55:09.020 would be better off not getting vaccinated than getting vaccinated.

00:55:14.420 Unlike his own children who were vaccinated, unlike the people he invited to his house in Los Angeles

00:55:20.780 for their party who were vaccinated, for everybody else, it's about peddling these half-truths.

00:55:27.200 And he says it with such conviction that you want to believe him.

00:55:30.540 And Mr. Kennedy, I just have some, there are many, many things in the record,

00:55:36.820 but I hope that you could answer these questions, yes or no.

00:55:40.400 I've tried to ask these in a manner that's faithful to what you actually said,

00:55:45.480 because I didn't want to have a debate about whether you actually said them.

00:55:48.880 So I'm asking you yes or no, Mr. Kennedy.

00:55:50.900 Did you say that COVID-19 was a genetically engineered bioweapon that targets black and white people

00:55:58.740 but spared Ashkenazi Jews and Chinese people?

00:56:02.700 I didn't say it was deliberately targeted.

00:56:05.640 I just quoted an NIH-funded, an NIH-published study.

00:56:13.880 Did you say that it targets black and white people but spared Ashkenazi Jews and Chinese people?

00:56:18.060 I quoted a study, Your Honor, I quoted an NIH study that showed that certain reasons are disproportionately.

00:56:22.500 I'll take that as a yes.

00:56:23.400 I have to move on, Mr. President.

00:56:25.260 I have to move on.

00:56:26.500 Did you say that Lyme disease is highly likely a materially engineered bioweapon?

00:56:34.460 I made sure I put in the highly likely.

00:56:37.220 Did you say Lyme disease is a highly likely militarily engineered bioweapon?

00:56:43.160 I probably did say that.

00:56:45.220 Did you say that?

00:56:46.280 And that's what the developer of the government said.

00:56:47.920 I want all of our colleagues to hear it, Mr. Kennedy.

00:56:51.240 I want them to hear it.

00:56:52.500 You said yes.

00:56:53.780 Did you say that exposure to pesticides causes children to become transgender?

00:56:59.800 No, I never said that.

00:57:01.120 Okay, I have the record that I'll give to the chairman, and he can make his judgment about what you said.

00:57:06.160 Did you write in your book, and it's undeniable that African AIDS is an entirely different disease from Western AIDS.

00:57:17.020 Yes or no, Mr. Kennedy?

00:57:18.320 I'm not sure if I made that.

00:57:19.980 Okay, I'll give it to the chairman, Mr. Kennedy.

00:57:22.660 And my final question.

00:57:24.300 Did you say on a podcast, and I quote, I wouldn't leave it, abortion, to the states.

00:57:31.220 My belief is we should leave it to the woman.

00:57:34.120 We shouldn't have the government involved, even if it's full term.

00:57:38.560 Did you say that, Mr. Kennedy?

00:57:40.040 Senator, I believe that every abortion is a tragedy.

00:57:43.540 Did you say it, Mr. Kennedy?

00:57:45.740 This matters.

00:57:47.180 It doesn't matter what you come here and say that isn't true, that's not reflective of what you really believe,

00:57:54.500 that you haven't said over decade after decade after decade, because unlike other jobs we're confirming around this place,

00:58:00.940 this is a job where it is life and death for the kids that I used to work for in the Denver public schools

00:58:07.740 and for families all over this country that are suffering from living in the richest country of the world

00:58:14.160 that can't deliver basic health care and basic mental health care to them.

00:58:20.040 It's too important for the games that you're playing, Mr. Kennedy.

00:58:24.580 And I hope my colleagues will say to the president, I have no influence over him.

00:58:29.880 I hope my colleagues will say to the president, out of 330 million Americans, we can do better than this.

00:58:37.740 Thank you.

00:58:38.100 We need to move on.

00:58:39.660 Senator Cassidy.

00:58:44.280 Mr. Kennedy, President Trump has sworn to protect Medicare.

00:58:50.200 Republicans are exploring reforms to Medicaid that could help pay for Trump administration priorities.

00:58:56.660 With this context, what will you do about dual eligibles?

00:59:01.140 About dual eligibles?

00:59:03.240 Well, dual eligibles are not, right now, served very well under the system.

00:59:10.280 Those are people who are eligible for both Medicaid and Medicare.

00:59:16.600 And, you know, I suppose my answer to that is to make sure that the programs are consolidated,

00:59:27.000 that they're integrated, and the care is integrated.

00:59:29.700 I look forward to working with you, Dr. Cassidy, on making sure that we take good care of people who are dual eligibles.

00:59:37.420 Thank you.

00:59:37.480 And how would we, how do you propose that we integrate those programs?

00:59:42.000 Does Medicare pay more?

00:59:43.240 Medicare pay less?

00:59:44.260 Medicaid pay more?

00:59:45.140 Medicaid pay less?

00:59:45.980 How do we do that?

00:59:46.700 Well, the, I, I'm not exactly sure because I'm not in there.

00:59:52.980 I mean, it is difficult to integrate them because Medicaid is, Medicare is under a fee for service.

01:00:00.300 It's paid for by employer taxes.

01:00:03.660 Medicaid is a, has a, is fully paid for by the federal government, and it's not fee for service.

01:00:12.220 So, it's, I, I don't, I do not know the answer to that.

01:00:18.600 I look forward to exploring options with you.

01:00:23.620 Republicans, again, are looking at ways to potentially reform Medicaid to help, you know, pay for President Trump's priorities, but to improve outcomes.

01:00:32.980 What thoughts do you have regarding Medicaid reform?

01:00:36.260 Well, Medicaid is not working for Americans, and it's specifically not working for the target population.

01:00:45.940 Most Americans, like myself, I'm on Medicare Advantage, and I'm very happy with it.

01:00:50.820 Most people who are on Medicaid are not happy.

01:00:53.300 The premiums are too high.

01:00:54.620 The deductibles are too high.

01:00:57.020 The networks are narrow.

01:00:59.440 The best doctors will not accept it, and the best hospitals.

01:01:03.520 And, particularly, Medicaid was originally designed for a target population of the poorest Americans.

01:01:11.660 It's now been dramatically expanded, and the irony of the expansion is that the poorest Americans are now being robbed.

01:01:20.900 Their services have dramatically decreased, even though we've increased the price of Medicare by 60% over the last four years.

01:01:31.460 The target population is being robbed.

01:01:34.000 With that said, obviously, you've thought about that, and I appreciate that.

01:01:39.240 What reforms do you recommend, again, that would improve services, I suppose, but also make it more cost-efficient?

01:01:47.940 Well, President Trump has given me the charge of improving quality of care and lowering the price of care for all Americans.

01:01:57.160 There are many things that we can do.

01:02:00.660 I mean, what we want to, the ultimate outcome, I think, is to increase transparency, to increase accountability,

01:02:10.300 and to transition to a value-based system rather than a fee-based system, rather than a service-based system.

01:02:17.500 On Medicaid in particular, can you just kind of take those kind of general principles and apply it to the Medicaid program?

01:02:24.580 You know, listen, I think that there are many, many options with telemedicine, with AI right now.

01:02:33.240 And, you know, there's a, including direct primary care systems, we're seeing that movement grow across the country.

01:02:43.240 There is one of the largest providers.

01:02:45.920 So, knowing, so going back to Medicaid, though, and speaking of these specific advances, how would you, what reforms are you proposing with these ideas vis-a-vis Medicaid?

01:02:58.600 Well, I don't have a broad proposal for dismantling the program.

01:03:04.800 And that's saying, of course not saying that.

01:03:06.260 I think what we need to do is we need to experiment with pilot programs in each state.

01:03:11.360 We need to keep our eye on the ultimate goal, which is value-based care, which is transparency, accountability, access.

01:03:19.660 And one more thing, going back to Medicare.

01:03:21.860 You mentioned you're an MA.

01:03:23.740 You mentioned earlier the Medicare fee-for-service.

01:03:25.920 Do you have any kind of thoughts as to whether or not patients on fee-for-service should move into MA, or how should we handle that?

01:03:36.120 Whether patients who are on Medicare fee-for-service.

01:03:40.160 On traditional Medicare?

01:03:41.440 Yes.

01:03:42.580 That's their choice right now.

01:03:44.400 Well, I mean, we have, I think, 32 million Americans, or 30 million Americans on Medicare, on traditional Medicare, and then another 34, or, yeah, 34 on Medicare Advantage.

01:04:01.440 Roughly half and half.

01:04:03.000 And I think more people would rather be on Medicare Advantage because it offers very good services, but people can't afford it.

01:04:13.380 It's much more expensive.

01:04:15.700 Oh, in answer to your first question, there are all kinds of exciting things that we can be doing, including cooperatives, which President Trump has supported, including health savings accounts, which President Trump has supported.

01:04:31.240 All of these things to make people more accountable for their own health.

01:04:34.940 And so we'd bring the cooperatives and the health savings accounts into Medicare and Medicaid?

01:04:39.520 Exactly.

01:04:40.040 We try to increase those, the use of those, and to direct primary care, to continue to transition into a value-based program that is private.

01:04:57.560 Americans don't, by and large, do not like the Affordable Care Act.

01:05:03.520 People are on it.

01:05:04.260 They don't like Medicaid.

01:05:05.800 They like Medicare.

01:05:07.840 And they like private insurance.

01:05:10.700 We need to listen to what people, they would prefer to be on private insurance.

01:05:15.200 Most Americans, if they can afford to be, will be on private insurance.

01:05:20.280 We need to figure out ways to improve care, particularly for elderly, for veterans, for the poor in this country.

01:05:29.660 And Medicaid, the current model, is not doing that.

01:05:32.200 I would ask, you know, any of the Democrats who were chuckling just now, do you think all that money, the $900 billion that we're sending to Medicaid every year, has made Americans healthy?

01:05:44.040 Do we think it's working for anybody?

01:05:46.320 Are the premiums low enough?

01:05:48.060 We do need to move on.

01:05:53.040 Senator Warner.

01:05:54.840 Well, I've got to tell you, for literally hundreds of thousands of Virginians, Medicaid is what prevents them from health crises on a daily and weekly basis.

01:06:05.300 And some imaginary new plan.

01:06:10.680 And if there was a new plan that would be the basis of what Trump was going to do in repealing Obamacare, I would have thought by now we'd have seen it.

01:06:19.360 I've got to tell you.

01:06:20.040 Senator, Mr. Kennedy, I've got questions.

01:06:24.400 I appreciate our visit.

01:06:25.680 I know you take your views seriously.

01:06:29.840 And I don't reflexively vote.

01:06:31.880 I voted for four of President Trump's nominees already.

01:06:34.380 Got a lot of grief from folks on this panel.

01:06:36.960 But I've got to tell you, I saw an email that you put out Monday night, or you campaigned it.

01:06:43.020 In a fundraising email, your presidential campaign celebrated that the freeze on all new regulations, guidance, and announcements is a way to protect unelected bureaucrats from further undermining our health freedom.

01:06:58.440 Then you ask your donors to help pay for your campaign debt.

01:07:02.100 Did your campaign and you put out that?

01:07:04.280 I don't think my campaign exists anymore.

01:07:07.000 Well, listen, I've got to tell you this.

01:07:08.880 Somebody's out there soliciting money for it.

01:07:11.440 Maybe you ought to find out who is.

01:07:13.740 So the fact that you celebrate this freeze, do you think that was a good idea to put all of this on hold for 90 days, funding, and any kind of further work?

01:07:25.040 NIH research?

01:07:25.760 Of course, as Chairman Crapo pointed out.

01:07:30.260 I'm not asking for, I love Mike Crapo.

01:07:32.480 I'm asking you.

01:07:33.340 You're up very, very important position.

01:07:35.400 As he pointed out, Senator, the portals that were closed were not closed as a result of the Trump administration.

01:07:41.760 Let me just tell you, I'd like you to explain, excuse me, sir.

01:07:45.080 I'd like you to explain to a domestic violence center in Richmond that's saying because this freeze they may have to close down.

01:07:51.680 Where are those battered women to go?

01:07:53.160 Or a rural nonprofit I've got in the Shenandoah Valley who's saying that freeze is going to potentially shut down their ability to operate.

01:08:02.620 So I guess if you deny or don't know what your campaign's sending on, you don't know if you raised a lot of money Monday night.

01:08:08.920 I'm saying that the Trump administration has made clear that it does not want to freeze benefits for any Americans under Medicaid or Medicare.

01:08:22.060 And I do not want to freeze is affecting beyond Medicare and Social Security.

01:08:29.280 I would hope you would have known that to be able to answer some of this.

01:08:33.560 Now, you've said publicly you want to immediately get rid of 600 NIH workers on job one, on day one.

01:08:43.000 When we had our meeting, you said you'd actually like to get rid of 2,200 people from HHS.

01:08:48.160 Which offices are you going to start cutting and riffing these 2,200 workers from?

01:08:55.120 Senator, there's 200 political appointees that are changed during every administration.

01:09:00.700 So if you got rid of those 200 political appointees, you're not going to replace them with your political appointees?

01:09:04.860 Well, President Biden this year changed 3,000 employees at HHS.

01:09:10.440 3,750 at NIH.

01:09:13.280 So you're 2,200.

01:09:14.360 What departments are you going to pick them from?

01:09:16.580 Well, the same as President Biden did when he changed 3,000 out.

01:09:21.640 I'm down to a minute, minute 30.

01:09:24.380 The chairman's been generous with colleagues on both sides and may have to go a couple minutes over.

01:09:28.840 But let me just say, so let's just answer, this would be, I hope, since you're asking to become the top healthcare official in the United States in terms of HHS.

01:09:39.680 Huge ramifications.

01:09:41.680 And part of this job is to be the senior advisor to the president on health issues.

01:09:45.640 So when we're looking at this purge and we're looking at laying off workers, when we're looking at potentially the president's illegal offer to try to buy out federal employees, which I would say to any federal employees, think twice.

01:09:59.600 Has this individual in his business world ever fulfilled his contracts or obligations to any workers in the past?

01:10:07.500 But if you are in this position, will you pledge that you will not fire federal employees who work on food safety, work on trying to prevent things like Salomino?

01:10:19.780 Senator, there are 91,000 employees.

01:10:22.620 So I take that as a simple yes, and I'm going to take that as a no.

01:10:26.140 Do you think I can run that agency without any credits?

01:10:26.700 I take that as a no.

01:10:28.920 Actually, we talked about protecting Americans from cyber criminals, something we need to do a lot more on.

01:10:35.700 Will you commit not to fire anyone in the health arena who currently works on protecting Americans from cyber attacks in their health care files?

01:10:45.820 I will commit to not firing anybody who's doing their job.

01:10:51.820 Based on your opinion?

01:10:54.160 Based upon your opinion or your political agenda or Mr. Trump's political agenda?

01:10:59.040 Based upon my opinion.

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Bannon's War Room - January 29, 2025

Episode 4229： The Hearing Of RFK Jr.

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