On today's show, Stephen K. Bannon is joined by Dave Brat and John Gardner to discuss the debt ceiling crisis and the need to get 200 new House and Senate members to join the pro-Trump faction in the House.
00:02:59.000They're scared of losing a member or two.
00:03:01.000There needs to be just a tremendous gestalt shift, right, or a Thomas Kuhnian revolution in psychology, which you're helping to bring about.
00:03:10.000We, you know, you're going Old Testament today.
00:03:13.000Moses came down with his list of ten and threw them down on the ground and wrecked God's word because he was so upset with the people, right?
00:03:21.000You got Churchill yelling out in the wilderness by himself.
00:03:24.000You've been yelling out in the wilderness, but you're having an amazing effect on this country.
00:03:29.000And so the budget numbers aren't going to do the trick.
00:03:32.000It's got to be a grassroots effort on the House, contacting your House and Senate members politically and putting the fear of God in them, right?
00:04:21.000I'm not sure it's going to be a ton of cash in the first year.
00:04:24.000Every time they talk to you about four trillion cuts and five trillion cuts and seven trillion cuts and all this, they're talking 10 years because they have a statute that says you have to do things in 10 years.
00:04:57.000This is why inflation is not going to totally go away because now it's embedded in the financing cost of, you know, 20 percent or a third of refinancing 36, 37, 38, 39, 40 trillion dollars of debt where you never pay down a penny of principal.
00:05:15.000We will never pay down a penny of principal because now the gross interest charges are going to be, what, 1.4 trillion dollars larger than the defense budget.
00:06:04.000So tell me today, I want to bring a fire breather on.
00:06:06.000I already had Lance Wall now, who's calm and, you know, calm demeanor, but he's a fire breather.
00:06:11.000You're probably one of my best, the country's best.
00:06:14.000The task force that Pam Bondi's leading on making sure there's no more anti-Christian bias in the government and no attacks on individual Christians, plus the faith office today, President Trump in two days around the national prayer breakfast, went yard.
00:06:28.000Is this just more performative, or is this real, Pastor John?
00:06:35.000You know, to create a task force to fight against anti-Christian bias and bigotry, you know, with the support of Pam Bondi and Paula White, this is what America needs.
00:06:45.000Just keep in mind, Merrick Garland labeled parents as domestic terrorists.
00:07:11.000And so what President Trump is doing is that he's holding true to his promises.
00:07:16.000He said that we will see a golden age in America.
00:07:20.000The Bible tells us this, that righteousness exalts a nation, and sin is a reproach towards any people.
00:07:26.000And President Trump is holding true to form.
00:07:29.000He campaigned on these things, and he's doing it.
00:07:32.000But we must also keep in mind that the icing on the cake is this new faith office.
00:07:39.000But there's something else that we need to do.
00:07:41.000We need to rectify what the demonic and diabolical man Lyndon B. Johnson did in 1954 with the Johnson Amendment.
00:07:52.000He found a creative way to shackle the hands of the Christian church, in particular Christian pastors, to keep them muzzled so they won't speak up and out against policies that the Democrat Party was pushing.
00:08:07.000We need to repeal the Johnson Amendment, and that would be sprinkles on the cake.
00:08:13.000But I see today that there's a plan clearly on the left.
00:08:17.000They're not going to sit back and sit on the sideline and allow President Trump to move forward with this agenda.
00:08:23.000They're already talking about impeaching him.
00:08:33.000And when you consider people like Alice Bailey and Margaret Sanger and Madeline Murray O'Hare, who labored to remove prayer from the public school system and the Bible, these are the kind of individuals that President Trump is still fighting today.
00:08:49.000America, we have elected number 45 and number 47, and he's holding true to the things that he promised us, and I celebrate that.
00:09:01.000What do you hope to see out of the task force?
00:09:04.000What will you hope to see out of the faith office, because they're two different things, and what would your potential role be or other evangelical pastors like yourself, sir?
00:09:14.000Well, first and foremost, we want to keep the federal government from telling pastors what they can and can't say.
00:09:22.000You know, there's this lie that the Constitution includes this line that there's a separation of church and state, and that's not true.
00:09:29.000Thomas Jefferson mentioned that in a letter to the Danbury Baptist Association.
00:09:33.000He talked about a wall of separation, and the plan was to keep the state from infringing upon the church and not vice versa.
00:09:49.000I also want to position ourselves where we can get back to allowing the Bible and school-sponsored prayer to be recited in schools all across this country every day.
00:10:00.000Christianity is the foundation of American civilization and American exceptionalism.
00:10:07.000America would not be exceptional if it weren't for Judeo-Christian principles.
00:10:13.000So I want to see school-sponsored prayer in school systems all around this country and to get back to the Ten Commandments.
00:10:22.000Also, we want to make sure that when Christians go to school, they're not demonized, you know, grades K through 12, by their professors and or by their teachers.
00:10:32.000There was a young girl in Chatham County who really got me into this fight nationally to lead me towards going to 18 states and speaking up for children.
00:10:42.000There was a young girl in Chatham County who was demonized for a Christian faith.
00:10:46.000Her teacher told her that believing in Jesus was tantamount to believing in a brick wall.
00:10:53.000But under the Trump administration and with this new faith office, we're going to see things like that dissipate and we'll be able to have a school system that builds up our children from the bottom up and reminds them of the great heritage that we have in this country when it comes to Christianity.
00:11:11.000Pastor John, where can people where can people get you?
00:11:19.000But one for the kids in the schools, but also for your your mission about Christianity and making sure that we get a government that does not persecute Christians, which has been happening.
00:11:28.000I mean, we have to face a quite unpleasant fact.
00:11:31.000Where do people go to partner with you?
00:11:58.000We're going to we're going to jump, I think, the bottom of the hour.
00:12:05.000So a lot more I want to get through the prime minister of Japan is going to be, I think, arriving momentarily at the White House, maybe there.
00:13:27.000Natalie Werners will be with us at five o'clock to wrap up an tense day in the White House.
00:13:32.000As President Trump has just announced, Reuters broke – another thing he talked about last night and reemphasized it today, reciprocal tariffs.
00:13:40.000It's just not the situation with the emergency use of the tariffs for the national security crisis on the southern border of fentanyl.
00:13:47.000Also talking about – he's also talking about reciprocal tariffs.
00:14:27.000Because President Trump, in trying to restructure this government, and trying to cut massive spending, and trying to get populist tax policies in.
00:14:34.000The global capital markets is going to be a little – it's going to be a little bumpy.
00:14:38.000So buckle up and check with Birch Gold.
00:18:17.000And the Elon Musk agenda, our co-president, which is unfortunately, you know, we've talked, I've talked on this show and other places about one of the most interesting tensions in Trump's political coalition between the Bannon wing and the Musk wing.
00:19:00.000But that's what Elon Musk is a very effective at doing is knowing how to send five really brilliant computer programmers who don't know anything about concerns about, like,
00:19:12.000what would happen to classified documents or names got out, but know how to get inside the bowels of the Treasury Department's payment systems
00:19:18.000and extract the information that they need for whatever purposes and how to effectively shut down an independent agency like USAID at a weekend of work.
00:19:48.000And they they're kind of they're working in devilish tandem now.
00:19:52.000And I think that part of the of the challenge here is how do you address all of that?
00:19:57.000Looks to me as if as if Musk has chosen a idea as kind of a demonstration project just to see how he can destroy an agency and demoralize the rest of the federal workforce.
00:20:10.000My question for Andrew is let's assume that that that you are right, that Marco Rubio just inherently is not insane, that he understands the good that that AID was doing.
00:20:23.000And that within the State Department, he wants to to recreate some of this, maybe quietly.
00:20:29.000But but but he knows that we need to have it.
00:22:18.000You must take this apparatus apart and get down to what you actually need in a limited government to maximize liberty of the people and also to perform some basic functions.
00:22:29.000I'm not saying it shouldn't be regulation or regulatory apparatus.
00:22:44.000Plus, you've seen what it's done on funding the NGOs and invasion of the southern border and what it's done to suppress speech in this country.
00:22:51.000And now we're finding out Victor Orban today announced he wants to see every penny USAID the U.S. government spent on funding these media companies in Hungary that are going after him.
00:23:03.000This is what USAID did was outrageous.
00:23:06.000And it's a perfect example for us to focus on because for years, not just House Freedom Caucus, but pro-liberty people in the House on the Republican side went after USAID and it was backed up by the Paul Ryans.
00:23:23.000That wouldn't even let people get in there and do audits, wouldn't even let people get in there and have any systematic or meaningful review.
00:23:30.000This is what you mean by controlled opposition.
00:23:32.000When I say, hey, we didn't get into this position by just radical Democrats running wild, of course they ran wild.
00:23:38.000But they were allowed to run wild by the controlled opposition Republicans who were too afraid to take the incoming and take the heat.
00:23:45.000They wanted to get invited to the cocktail parties in Georgetown and be called, you know, like Mike Turner.
00:23:52.000When Mike Turner, you know, from Dayton, Ohio, flipped when he took over the Intelligence Committee.
00:23:57.000Everybody up on Capitol Hill says you're a statesman.
00:24:02.000You know, you're projecting American soft power abroad, all this nonsense for a CIA cutout that's doing nothing but damage and promoting the agenda of the American empire, of which we're not an empire.
00:24:23.000And so for post-World War II, the hegemon, and particularly with the collapse of the Soviet Union under President Reagan, the evil empire, become the hegemon under Bush, 43, and then the thinking of the hegemon.
00:24:37.000This is how we gave total and complete power to the apartheid oligarchs in Silicon Valley who are now looking for a bailout.
00:24:45.000This is – let me give you a dirty secret.
00:24:48.000Let me have – let's have a moment of enlightening.
00:24:52.000Because we want to – here, one of the things that we'll talk to adults like they're adults.
00:24:58.000And I finish with that cover of Time Magazine and do a split screen.
00:25:03.000Why do I keep saying cross the Potomac, cross the Potomac, and go to the Pentagon?
00:25:11.000Well, after I came off sea duty as a junior officer, I was a special assistant to the chief of naval operations and was – had the honor of working there and really was called the CNO's executive board.
00:25:50.000You might be old enough to remember that.
00:25:52.000We're going to go, I think, from under 300 ships to a 600-ship navy as Mahan's strategy of taking over kind of the British Empire's Royal Navy to choke down the power in the Eurasian landmass.
00:30:59.000President Trump, this is why he said reciprocal tariffs.
00:31:01.000I'm sure he's going to have a conversation with the Japanese about that.
00:31:04.000His external revenue service is very high on the President's mind, because if that cash comes in, maybe you have to do less cutting.
00:31:12.000Maybe you don't have to increase taxes on anybody, particularly the wealthy.
00:31:17.000Maybe you have bigger tax cuts, maybe even no tax on bonuses, which is something they talked about, more populous tax cuts.
00:31:23.000The President is trying to juggle a lot.
00:31:25.000But the central part of the conversation besides trade will be around national security in the first island chain in the Pacific.
00:31:33.000And that will be Taiwan, Guam, all of it.
00:31:36.000With the Japanese committing, I think, to rewrite their constitution, do other things to make sure they're more aggressive and spend more money in defense.
00:31:45.000I also think a big part of the conversation is going to be South Korea.
00:31:48.000There's essentially a coup going on there, and the Chinese Communist Party is in back of it.
00:32:09.000And if folks think that the things that happened in Nazi Germany, in Poland, in the mainland China,
00:32:16.000things happen in China that still today fire up the Chinese people, the Korean people still furious about a lot of the activity that went on with the Japanese in Korea.
00:32:26.000And the Japanese had a history of trying to dominate Korea.
00:32:29.000So that will be a big discussion today.
00:32:31.000Because the Koreans, who used to be one of our greatest allies or something going on in Korea, probably 25% or a third of the young people, I would say lean towards kind of pro-CCP.
00:32:43.000And the Japanese have to step up to the plate.
00:32:45.000When I talk about cutting the defense budget, one of the reasons is, is as we think about the hemispheric defense strategy of President Trump,
00:32:53.000remember from Greenland and the Arctic all the way down to the Panama Canal, and then with Latin America having people like the Bolsonaro's, people like Mele,
00:33:01.000to drive the Chinese Communist Party out of the Amazon and out of really Latin America and really come to what I guess now it's Monroe Doctrine 5.0.
00:33:10.000But as he talks about hemispheric defense, it means that we can then pick and choose where we are throughout the world.
00:33:19.000President Trump's always been very upset about how they haven't treated us great in trade.
00:33:23.000So there will be some testy conversations.
00:33:25.000Just like the other day with Netanyahu, people talk about Gaza, Gaza, Gaza, one of the most important things.
00:33:30.000You didn't come out of there, and I know this is important to Tucker and other people and myself, there was no commitment.
00:33:35.000You didn't hear a lot of talk that you had Lindsey Graham running around on Fox all the time about some sort of military confrontation with the Persians.
00:33:44.000President Trump, I think, is trying to tamp things down right now and trying to tamp it down in a logical way.
00:33:50.000I also would recommend that news coming out of Ukraine, I think, is not great because I think President Trump continues to get tapped along by these people.
00:33:57.000And my point would be to cut, particularly when Zelensky came out and said, I've only got $77 billion.
00:34:02.000Okay, bro, you're saying the quiet part out loud. Maybe we have to rethink this entire thing.
00:34:06.000Also, President Trump even talking about taking the rare earths and the other mineral rights in Ukraine to pay for all this means you have further engagement in Ukraine.
00:34:14.000I think, and although they've got great mineral rights, I think disengagement is the best on that part of the Eurasian landmass.
00:34:21.000So Prime Minister Ishibe will be here. He'll come through. That's the West Wing entrance right there.
00:34:30.000They do, when they take them, there's a little reception area. They take them right to the Oval Office.
00:34:34.000There'll be a, you know, the Prime Minister in one chair, one of the gold chairs in front of the fireplace, President Trump in the other.
00:34:40.000They'll have some exchanges. The staffs will talk, kind of get together.
00:34:44.000Then President Trump, I believe, is going to have a presser. Clearly, it won't happen. It won't happen during our show.
00:34:50.000We thought it might happen at 1130 today.
00:34:52.000Real America's voice, Charlie Kirk's up next. I'm sure they're cut in because President Trump's always saying provocative things in the days of thunder during that.
00:34:59.000And particularly markets will want to know. They want to know about these reciprocal tariffs.
00:35:05.000President Trump doesn't do anything that's not kind of, you know, thought through.
00:35:09.000He just dropped that bomb yesterday with Reuters because the Prime Minister of Japan, it's always been a, he's had a big problem with Japan being such a closed market to American goods,
00:35:19.000and particularly American automobiles where they sell so many automobiles here, although now they make a lot more than they used to.
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00:35:33.000What I'm really proud, I was talking to people last night about this.
00:35:35.000I met with some of the magazine people, and we're talking a little bit about some of the companies that are sponsors of Warpath Coffee.
00:35:41.000I gave the story of Tej Gill, Navy SEAL, all the great equipment, but what he wanted was coffee that was as good as the Navy SEAL's, you know, guns and parachutes and the frogman gear they do.
00:35:53.000And Tej took years out of his life when he left the service, and then he was a contractor, as many of these guys are.
00:38:01.000And this is why I think we have to have from the Doge guys right now, before the one-year CR, which is coming, we have to have just a general idea blocked out.
00:38:20.000I think it should go from $40 to $50 billion to zero.
00:38:23.000But I strongly believe you can't be over Social Security.
00:38:26.000And even if you're looking for data, even if you're looking to rewire it, even if you're looking at waste, fraud, and abuse, which is all important, very important, you've got to get over to the Pentagon.
00:38:34.000If you don't show the imperial capital you're prepared to take on the Pentagon, you're sending a signal that you're weak to starve.
00:38:43.000You can sit here and you go through geopolitically.
00:38:45.000You can build a plan that if you get aggressive against our number one existential threat, the Chinese Communist Party, and the debt that's linked with our financing them and gutting the country goes, how do we get in this situation?
00:39:00.000The trade deficit and the real deficits are – and I've always said, and Lou Dobbs said, and President Trump believes this, although the Wall Street people don't, it's two sides of the same coin.
00:39:11.000In gutting the country, in gutting the manufacturing, it made us more dependent upon foreign sources.
00:39:16.000That's why we had these huge trade deficits.
00:39:18.000No, when people say, oh, the money's fungible, we can be a service economy, you can't.
00:39:23.000An advanced nation has to have an advanced, major, massive physical capital and a manufacturing base.
00:39:33.000Manufacturing base provides high-value-added paying jobs principally to men, women too, but principally to men.
00:39:39.000This is why we have 70 million men that are not in the workforce.
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