Bannon's War Room - Episode 4255： WarRoom Takes On Harvard

00:00:00.000 an X because accurate reporting has never been more important. We have spent the last week

00:00:05.400 talking about USAID. It's a number one target for Donald Trump, for Elon Musk.

00:00:10.820 Can we talk about where this war on USAID even came from?

00:00:15.880 It's crazy. So they didn't talk about this during the campaign. You didn't hear a word

00:00:19.840 one about USAID. I read about this just a couple of days ago. In December, Joe Rogan has a guest

00:00:28.660 on who's like a crazy right winger, allegedly crazy, I guess I have to say, in this day and age,

00:00:35.680 who is like a white nationalist, self-proclaimed white nationalist influencer. And he goes on and

00:00:43.060 talks all about how the Foreign Service and USAID in particular, it's a hive of criminality. And he's

00:00:49.680 a conspiracy theorist. And who's listening to Rogan in that episode? It's Elon Musk. This is the first

00:00:55.440 time that Elon has heard of USAID. He picks it up right away, starts tweeting about it. And that's

00:01:02.280 how it got here. It just is a line from Joe Rogan books this guest, Elon hears about it. And now,

00:01:09.260 like you're saying, like millions of people are going to go without food and medicine because Rogan

00:01:15.300 platformed a controversial thinker. And it's suddenly a criminal enterprise.

00:01:20.760 Quickly to follow up on what Peter was asking, have you directed Elon Musk to review Pentagon

00:01:25.420 spending, given it's the biggest discretionary spending in the federal budget?

00:01:28.000 Yes, I have Pentagon, education, just about everything. We're going to go through everything,

00:01:33.280 just as it was so bad with what we just went through with this horrible situation we just went

00:01:38.480 through. And I guess 97 percent of the people have been dismissed. It was very, very unfortunate.

00:01:44.540 You're not going to find anything like that, but you're going to find a lot. And I've instructed him

00:01:49.420 to go check out education, to check out the Pentagon, which is the military. And, you know, sadly,

00:01:55.320 you'll find some things that are pretty bad. But I don't think proportionally you're going to see

00:01:59.020 anything like we just saw. Breaking overnight, Donald Trump says that he is cutting off President

00:02:03.840 Biden's access to intelligence material. Trump said online that Biden did the same to him in 2021.

00:02:10.000 I do want to point out that President Biden did so after January 6th, when Donald Trump was facing

00:02:16.400 scrutiny for his role in the Capitol insurrection. And speaking of the insurrection, the FBI has now

00:02:22.840 turned over to the Trump Justice Department the actual names of all the agents who worked on January

00:02:28.020 6th cases. The Justice Department has agreed to not make the names public.

00:02:32.280 Like, but just temporarily.

00:02:37.840 This is the primal scream of a dying regime.

00:02:42.700 Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people.

00:02:47.920 I got a free shot. All these networks lying about the people. The people had a belly full of it.

00:02:54.080 I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that,

00:02:57.280 but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen.

00:02:59.280 And where do people like that go to share the big lie?

00:03:02.880 MAGA Media. I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.

00:03:09.660 Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?

00:03:13.420 If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.

00:03:19.760 War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.

00:03:23.020 Four, three, two, one.

00:03:28.900 It's Saturday, 8 February, year of our Lord, 2025.

00:03:33.840 You're in the War Room on, I don't know, is it day 16 or 17?

00:03:37.640 Days of Thunder.

00:03:39.300 They're all blending together because every morning feels like Christmas morning.

00:03:43.200 We just opened up as many more executive actions, executive orders, legislation, or just things President Trump is doing.

00:03:52.040 I want to bring in Jack.

00:03:52.800 So we're jammed today.

00:03:54.540 We're at Harvard, in Harvard Square.

00:03:57.580 More about that later.

00:03:58.600 We're very excited to be back here.

00:04:01.720 Fantastic magazine here in their offices.

00:04:06.000 Jack Posobiec.

00:04:06.960 First off, I want to set the record straight, and this talks about the work.

00:04:11.560 The guy that was talking there, Stephanie Ruhl, last night was, I think, the former or the current executive producer of Jon Stewart's The Daily Show.

00:04:20.600 Last night, she had various people.

00:04:22.440 This show is so important to watch because they're so crushed.

00:04:25.700 They're so broken.

00:04:26.680 They have no earthy idea because they were so arrogant that they never planned on actually being out of power

00:04:34.360 and have the control of the institutions and institutional power.

00:04:37.720 They're just wandering around.

00:04:39.760 And here's the beauty of it.

00:04:41.200 They have no resilience.

00:04:42.860 Remember, in modern politics or in modern political movements, it comes down to, like, three things.

00:04:49.700 It's authenticity, it's courage and grit, and it's resilience.

00:04:56.500 Or it's courage and then resilience and grit.

00:04:59.040 Resilience is key.

00:04:59.920 They have no resilience.

00:05:00.680 Right there, he totally misapplies what actually happened, and that was, you know, Mike Benz.

00:05:06.460 He calls Mike Benz a white nationalist.

00:05:08.120 Now, it's interesting.

00:05:09.100 The artificial intelligence on the script takes out his smear of Mike Benz as a white nationalist

00:05:15.000 because Mike Benz is anything but a white nationalist.

00:05:17.460 Mike Benz is one of the smartest guys around.

00:05:19.940 That Joe Rogan episode, and, you know, he went through USAID because he's been working on it with Darren Beattie

00:05:24.960 and Raheem Kassam and Jack Posobiec for years.

00:05:27.460 We've tried to get this out of spending on these authorization fights in the middle of the night on Capitol Hill.

00:05:33.520 And who were the people that voted for it constantly?

00:05:37.240 Forget the Democrats.

00:05:38.240 It was establishment Republicans over and over again.

00:05:41.200 And the Paul Ryans and people would never let people in to actually get into the math and see what's going on.

00:05:46.540 That's what's so amazing about what Doge is doing with President Trump having their back.

00:05:51.380 And then, you know, President Trump revoking Biden's – and the reason is Biden's going to be under, you know,

00:05:58.280 a major criminal investigation for this vast criminal conspiracy against President Trump.

00:06:04.060 So when they say, well, he did nothing wrong in President Trump's insurrection, that's all absolutely a lie and not true.

00:06:10.380 And, of course, Caitlin Collins, President Trump is now directed, ordered, instructed – you pick him – Elon Musk to cross the Potomac.

00:06:19.740 And let's get over where we're going to have some cuts. 0.98

00:06:21.320 March 14th and overnight, this is all the Democrats are talking about.

00:06:25.840 They're going to shut Trump's government down on the 14th because nobody's given them any math.

00:06:30.180 We have to have some cuts by then.

00:06:31.820 And USAID should be at the top of the list.

00:06:34.780 The Consumer Board, this thing that's been limiting credit to working-class people, got to be up there, too.

00:06:40.640 Russ Vogt put in charge last night.

00:06:42.400 Posobiec, where do we stand on crossing the Potomac to go to the Pentagon, ripping away Biden's security clearance?

00:06:49.340 And probably most important, Mike Benz and all the laboring oars that for years and years and years went after USAID.

00:06:58.080 Well, Steve, thanks again for having me on.

00:06:59.840 And congratulations on returning to your alma mater up there in Harvard.

00:07:04.400 I must imagine that they haven't quite had their Dunkin' Donuts yet.

00:07:09.180 They don't realize that Steve's up there in Beantown because if they did, they'd be out with the pitchforks and torches trying to get him out of there, trying to run him out of town.

00:07:17.780 But when it comes down to it, folks, what President Trump has done, again, this has been part of the strategic political maneuver warfare that he has instituted since returning to office.

00:07:31.620 What are the key elements of maneuver warfare?

00:07:34.000 Speed, surprise, shock and awe showing up in places where the enemy does not expect not frontal assaults, but going around and disrupting resources, disrupting supply chains.

00:07:47.100 And by going after USAID specifically, as well as these other funded elements, internews and the various different verticals that come out under USAID that go out to foreign services that come back to the U.S.

00:08:00.620 Because through the Internet, there are no borders.

00:08:02.420 So when you're funding one of these foreign liberal services for news or one of these platforms, of course, it's going to be regurgitated back into the United States.

00:08:10.080 And, oh, they say they could say we're we're citing foreign reports or see we're not funded.

00:08:14.480 Yeah, you're just citing the report.

00:08:15.860 Nine out of 10 Ukrainian journalists are on these things.

00:08:18.980 And so what they're what they're realizing now is they're trying to pick up.

00:08:22.340 They say, wait a minute, this guy, Benz, hold on.

00:08:24.380 He's a keynote here.

00:08:25.480 So let's go after him.

00:08:26.740 Let's target him.

00:08:27.440 Oh, white nationalists, you know, not not to dispute the fact that, by the way, oh, Mike Benz happens to be from a Jewish family, by the way.

00:08:35.300 But, you know, we're not going to mention that same as Darren Beattie, for that matter.

00:08:39.060 But again, they're trying desperately to grasp for some kind of purchase here because the maneuver warfare is too strong for them.

00:08:49.080 They don't have the ability to keep up with the breakneck speed that President Trump has established.

00:08:54.340 And J.D. Vance has come out and said, this is not out of the gate stuff.

00:08:58.280 This is the new normal.

00:08:59.660 Expect this every day for four years.

00:09:02.260 It's not the first couple of weeks of Days of Thunder.

00:09:04.680 It is an entire term of Days of Thunder.

00:09:08.360 The thunder will continue.

00:09:10.640 And so looking at these different pieces, these different verticals, the USAID, boom, you take away the resources from the mainstream media.

00:09:17.820 You take away the enemy's ability to wage war.

00:09:21.740 This is the key.

00:09:22.420 The old Republicans, remember, they sit there, oh, we're going to try to debunk you.

00:09:25.680 We're going to argue with you.

00:09:26.760 We're going to go back and forth and have this whole thing, mealy-mouthed little words.

00:09:31.420 But they're not going to pull the funding.

00:09:33.520 Why?

00:09:34.020 Because the dirty little secret is a lot of the neocon funding was also coming from the same pots of money.

00:09:39.700 And the great data Republican, go and follow her. 0.99

00:09:43.060 Go and look at the tool that she's created that allows you, for the first time ever, patriots and citizens to conduct keyword searches.

00:09:50.080 So you don't have to search just for specific programs.

00:09:52.800 You can just look up a specific word at data Republican and find exactly where your money is going to.

00:09:58.340 And it's not just USAID.

00:09:59.640 The way the system is set up, you can look at all federal grants.

00:10:04.120 And so you take a step back from that.

00:10:05.960 But now go look at the Department of Defense, $900 billion budget that's over there with the money outlays going all over the place.

00:10:15.080 You got billions of dollars of equipment, as President Trump has said again and again, that's left on the battlefield of Afghanistan with the keys in the helicopter hand over to the Taliban.

00:10:23.420 And then they're going to come down on the soldier.

00:10:26.420 They're going to come down on the E-4.

00:10:27.980 They're going to come down on the E-4 mafia because, oh, you forgot to pay your receipt at Buffalo Wild Wings with your credit card that was given to you for travel. 0.98

00:10:38.700 It's a joke.

00:10:39.780 It's a scam what they've been running over there for a long time.

00:10:43.800 Anyone who's been – go talk to any serious person who's been in the military.

00:10:47.240 Ask anyone who's worn the uniform, you know, you know if your hand is on that Bible that there is tons of waste, fraud, and abuse that goes on over there.

00:10:58.480 And it isn't even just with these outlays, the boondoggles that go on over there and the foreign money – the foreign military spending plus the R&D budgets.

00:11:07.980 And, Steve, with the R&D over there, I explained this a little bit with Brad yesterday.

00:11:11.600 The way the Pentagon structures their R&D projects, so all the money that goes to Boeing, the money that goes to Lockheed, go ask Nikki Haley about that.

00:11:19.340 I wonder what she's up to right now.

00:11:21.220 And you're required to have all of these DEI affirmative actions.

00:11:27.240 Okay, we have these racial quotas for this type of contractor, and you need Eskimos here, and you need Native Americans and disabled veterans here and this one there and that one there. 0.92

00:11:37.000 And it gets to the point where you're spending so much money for a project that just doesn't work.

00:11:43.740 Go look at the LCS project in the Navy.

00:11:46.100 Go look at the railgun project in the Navy.

00:11:48.340 Failure after failure after failure.

00:11:50.980 The F-35 program, all the failures there.

00:11:53.880 The MB-22 Osprey program, the failures there.

00:11:57.020 And the accident rate are through the roof.

00:11:59.280 Why?

00:11:59.700 Because we do not put excellence and greatness at the floor anymore, and that's exactly what Secretary Hegseth has called for.

00:12:07.500 It absolutely needs to apply to the distribution, the allocation, and the contracting process of the DOD.

00:12:16.440 This, you know, one has got to be a realignment of, and it may be too quick to do this, but a realignment with hemispheric defense in the defense budget.

00:12:23.800 But you've got to start.

00:12:24.660 You've got to start now.

00:12:25.980 You have to get a – you have to take a cut at this.

00:12:27.940 Because in – I want to go back to maneuver warfare.

00:12:30.280 In maneuver warfare, the key principle is do not stop.

00:12:33.880 Just continue on.

00:12:34.900 Even anything to regroup or make – it was offset by the enemy being in disarray.

00:12:40.440 I saw on Stephanie Rule last night they had three or four really smart thinkers there, including Ron Insana from CNBC.

00:12:46.700 They're absolutely totally confused.

00:12:48.800 They don't know which way to go.

00:12:50.020 They don't know what to focus on.

00:12:51.700 They're starting to feel sorry for themselves.

00:12:53.540 This is when you put more pedal, no brake.

00:12:56.240 You keep going.

00:12:56.880 Even if you're going to have some screw-ups, right?

00:12:59.100 Even if you're going to – even if you think you need to slow down for logistics, we need more lawyers, we need more of this.

00:13:03.980 The answer is no.

00:13:04.840 You just keep going.

00:13:05.620 You pop up in another agency tomorrow.

00:13:07.900 You go into the Pentagon and you flood the zone with – you flood the zone.

00:13:11.560 You bring 100 of those programmers and get all over it.

00:13:15.220 Jack, I know you've got to bounce.

00:13:16.720 You're taking it Saturday morning.

00:13:17.560 Final thoughts, final thoughts on maneuver warfare and what you're seeing so far in Doja's assault on the institutions.

00:13:26.200 Well, Steve, that's exactly what it's about.

00:13:29.540 It's about continuing to fire on all fronts.

00:13:32.300 It's about continuing to stupefy the enemy.

00:13:34.880 It's about treating this as what it is, a hostile takeover of the American government away from people who do not have patriotism in their hearts and replacing it with people who love this country.

00:13:47.480 It's as simple as that, recognizing the political opposition for what they are and treating them, by the way, the way that they have treated us for the last 12 years.

00:14:00.580 Jack Posobiec, social media.

00:14:02.500 I know you're going to be quite active over the weekend.

00:14:04.500 Where do people go?

00:14:06.640 Steve will be up at Jack Posobiec on X.

00:14:09.860 I will not be hosting human events daily next week or going to be out on assignment.

00:14:17.480 On assignment, that assignment, I think, was with Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth, part of it.

00:14:23.420 Am I correct?

00:14:23.820 I will be accompanying Secretary Hegseth across Europe next week with the NATO summit and the Minister of Defense meeting in Belgium, Brussels.

00:14:33.360 Unbelievable.

00:14:35.140 Jack Posobiec, you turned out okay.

00:14:37.600 That naval thing kind of worked out for you.

00:14:40.160 Naval intelligence officer Jack Posobiec.

00:14:43.240 Working on it.

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00:16:42.700 Okay, days of thunder.

00:16:46.160 The big news yesterday, they are going to the Pentagon.

00:16:48.980 Also, last night in Axios in the Hill, they're starting to wake up because Hakeem Jeffries sees the leverage point here.

00:16:57.860 You know, you got the, all the 48 senators are down at the breakers in Palm Beach.

00:17:04.900 That always sends a great signal.

00:17:06.540 You know, you had these conferences and they're down at the breakers.

00:17:09.500 I mean, how much does that run a night?

00:17:10.780 This is the whole mentality.

00:17:13.100 The mentality is like, you know, the seven fat years are going to continue.

00:17:19.320 Why do I mention this?

00:17:21.160 Because Brad gets me.

00:17:22.200 The CBO's got a report out.

00:17:24.600 The ink's just getting dry on it.

00:17:26.160 And the CBO report has projected, it talks about, you know, where we stand with the $2 trillion.

00:17:32.140 And they agree that War Room's right.

00:17:33.840 It's $2 trillion deficits.

00:17:36.280 And, but then they project out.

00:17:40.400 And remember, let's go back to Scott Besson.

00:17:42.900 Scott Besson, Secretary of Treasury.

00:17:44.260 What he said, the key thing is you have to take, right now we're at 6.5%.

00:17:48.580 Our deficit is 6.5% of GDP.

00:17:53.080 That is not sustainable.

00:17:55.440 Obviously.

00:17:56.280 His objective is over a couple of years to get to 3% of GDP.

00:18:00.240 And that's going to require a combination of, it's a supply side tax cut.

00:18:06.700 It's going to require a combination of the tax cuts that President Trump is looking for to have growth.

00:18:14.320 And that growth, you know, to get to 3%, 3.5%.

00:18:16.240 CBO projects growth for the next 10 years at 1.8%.

00:18:26.600 At 1.8%.

00:18:29.000 In fact, it takes mathematically around 3% to keep it full employment.

00:18:34.540 Oh, by the way, the labor statistics last night, as E.J. and Tony went through on this show, the only one to mention it, in five years, in five years, total net job growth, total net job growth, 100%, has gone to foreigners, not native-born U.S. citizens.

00:18:58.240 This is what the anger is.

00:19:00.480 This is why people are so angry.

00:19:02.040 Or do we have our White House correspondent?

00:19:05.880 Hang on a second.

00:19:06.660 Let's put a pin in this.

00:19:08.720 I'm going to come back with a rant or two in a moment about the numbers getting out of control.

00:19:13.440 But when I just said right there about five years of net job growth, 100% to foreign-born, and, of course, the zero hedges all over, this shows you a massive amount of that. 0.83

00:19:28.240 It's not legal immigration here, quote-unquote legal immigration here, and either my favorite H-1B visas or green cards or whatever you want to say.

00:19:36.880 It's a big problem I've got for that.

00:19:38.120 A big bulk of our illegal alien labor. 0.96

00:19:41.040 And what has that done?

00:19:41.800 That has crushed the economics of African-American and Hispanic citizens in this country, and that's why Donald Trump is back in office. 0.97

00:19:49.780 Now, the one way to do this is that we have to, you know, get rid of the criminals and all that, and people, a million people have deportation notices.

00:19:56.720 But already, the embeds in the media, they understand if they can get ahead of what Homan's trying to do, we're going to have a bigger problem trying to get this.

00:20:07.720 They're going to have optics that they think win for them, and this whole thing is going to get slowed down.

00:20:11.720 That's their objective.

00:20:12.640 That's the resistance.

00:20:13.580 We're going to go to Natalie Winters.

00:20:15.820 And, Natalie, why don't we tee up?

00:20:16.840 We've got a clip to play for you.

00:20:18.440 Why don't you tee up what's going to be in the clip, and then we'll play it.

00:20:20.520 Sure, well, the mainstream media in concert with these far-left NGOs are actively working to sabotage President Trump's mass deportation agenda.

00:20:29.800 And we're seeing this pattern replicate in state after state, city after city, and raid after raid.

00:20:36.300 Tom Homan made news yesterday.

00:20:37.900 He was speaking on Fox, talking about how a raid out in Colorado had been actively sabotaged by someone who essentially preemptively leaked information about an ICE raid.

00:20:47.580 They were going to go on to get several Trendy Aragua members.

00:20:51.220 Instead, they were only able to nab one.

00:20:53.660 I think this sort of goes back to that infamous Wall Street Journal article that you were talking about, Steve, prior to President Trump being sworn in, right, where they were sort of leaking, if not doxing, preemptively, not from White House sources, but from likely these far-left activist types, like I said, working in collaboration with mainstream media outlets.

00:21:11.760 We can play that clip, but just to contextualize, it's not just happening in Colorado.

00:21:17.140 There's also a big L.A. Times piece coming out this weekend, which I'd love to just read a quote from if you want to talk about sabotage.

00:21:24.600 Quote, federal law enforcement agents are planning to carry out a large-scale immigration enforcement action in the Los Angeles area before the end of February, according to an internal government document reviewed by the Times.

00:21:37.500 I've never seen something cut a castle to treason, but see a buried lead in that article.

00:21:42.180 Here's a quote, speaking with an official from ICE.

00:21:45.480 Just because certain information is being given doesn't mean it's the administration's plan because they know some agents are going to be resistant.

00:21:55.840 This is what – that's stunning.

00:21:57.720 I mean, somebody inside of DHS or Tom Holman's group or whatever, what you call the embeds, actually gave the report, gave the plan.

00:22:06.180 This is what happened in Chicago.

00:22:07.700 They're giving the plans to the media in advance.

00:22:09.420 The media publishes them.

00:22:10.740 Then the rate is canceled.

00:22:11.520 Let's go ahead – if Denver – we go ahead – let's play the clip, and we'll bring our White House correspondent, Natalie, back in.

00:22:17.460 I have so many questions.

00:22:18.820 First of all, if they're shouting and helping these people get away with bullhorns, how is that legal to get help from the people in the streets?

00:22:25.580 I know they can protest, but that's not what they're doing.

00:22:29.040 You're exactly right.

00:22:30.820 When they come to the – they cross the line of impediment, and that's why I'm working very close, starting this morning with the Department of Justice.

00:22:37.340 And where do they cross that line of impediment?

00:22:39.600 So they may find themselves in a pair of handcuffs very soon.

00:22:42.740 So working with DOJ on that, get some legal guidance on that.

00:22:45.480 I'm not an attorney.

00:22:46.260 I know what SACOPS is about.

00:22:47.800 I know what crossing that line is.

00:22:49.400 But getting DOJ back up on that, so it's something we're looking at right now, Harris.

00:22:52.500 We're not going to tolerate it anymore.

00:22:54.000 This is not a game.

00:22:55.580 When we show up at these sites, this is a dangerous job for the men and women of ICE and Border Patrol and all the DOJ agencies.

00:23:02.860 To have that type of interference puts our officers at great risk.

00:23:05.760 Not only the officers.

00:23:07.120 It puts the aliens at great risk because anything can happen when we take our eyes off the goal here.

00:23:11.340 So we're addressing that immediately today.

00:23:13.180 I'm addressing OPSETs today.

00:23:15.360 Operation Security, how these leaks are happening.

00:23:17.580 We've already identified how this operation got leaked.

00:23:19.960 I'll deal with that.

00:23:20.680 Okay, that's Homan right there.

00:23:25.960 The New York Post is reporting that there have been 11,000 in these raids so far.

00:23:30.580 11,000 of the bad hombres have been rolled up.

00:23:34.280 I know President Trump, what I'm hearing coming out of the White House is that he wants bigger numbers, and he wants bigger numbers faster.

00:23:41.280 This is why they brought Gitmo online.

00:23:42.660 They have a huge problem with the logistics.

00:23:44.320 They have a huge problem with money and cash.

00:23:46.940 It's one of the reasons they're talking about the two reconciliations, as we recommended from day one.

00:23:51.740 What are you hearing over at the White House, Natalie, about what the staff, who are doing a great job over there,

00:23:56.440 but what is the word of how Kristi Noem and Tom Homan and Stephen Middle are going to get more support?

00:24:02.660 Yeah, well, we certainly need to add a few zeros to that.

00:24:05.640 The sort of line that they're running with is that there's just a lack of detention facilities.

00:24:09.580 They don't have the adequate space.

00:24:11.340 I think this dovetails not only with what the Biden regime did, but sort of the lobbying effort that we've seen being mounted from the kind of left-wing resistance groups, particularly the ACLU.

00:24:20.480 I think the logical question after that Tom Homan clip is, you know, who was behind sabotaging that raid?

00:24:26.640 And like I said, in states all across the country, for example, in South Carolina, there's a picture we can put on screen.

00:24:32.640 It's the pink scheduling graphic.

00:24:34.700 But groups like the Democratic Socialists for America, in concert with more mainstream Democratic Party-type groups,

00:24:40.600 are actively planning efforts to sabotage ICE raids.

00:24:43.800 You can see that.

00:24:44.900 It's sort of a know-your-rights campaign.

00:24:46.940 The South Carolina AG has stepped in and sort of threatened them.

00:24:49.600 But this is, I think, sort of a, shall we say, I think, growing sentiment among the left,

00:24:55.040 that they can sort of step in and have agency and get in the way and block President Trump's deportations.

00:25:00.960 The nation had a long-form peace today.

00:25:03.040 Think there's nothing you can do to stop ICE.

00:25:05.360 Think again.

00:25:06.000 They talk about preparation.

00:25:07.460 Resistance begins long before ICE agents arrive.

00:25:10.140 Legal organizations and advocacy groups must aggressively promote know-your-rights education.

00:25:14.540 I was actually walking around in D.C. yesterday, and I stumbled upon one of these flyers.

00:25:18.600 It says, do not open for ICE Denver.

00:25:21.960 You can also put on screen the deportation defense manual, along with sort of, like I said, these know-your-rights campaigns.

00:25:28.840 But they're pretty aggressive.

00:25:30.340 It's not just saying, you know, lie to ICE or don't open the door.

00:25:33.920 They're saying actively, like, lie about your immigration status.

00:25:38.040 Conceal your identity.

00:25:39.120 If they are knocking at your door, even if you're a criminal, you don't have to comply.

00:25:43.280 Fun fact, the group that created that document on screen has received over $16 million in federal grants.

00:25:50.280 So you want to talk about USAID and everything that's been going on there.

00:25:54.780 So many of these NGOs are funded by taxpayer dollars.

00:25:58.880 But moreover, Steve, the issue, too, I think, here, it's not just these far-left groups.

00:26:03.780 It's really the mainstream media that's amplifying, right, without—they're putting gasoline on the fire.

00:26:09.160 To that point, the FCC, I believe, is opening an investigation or at least probing a radio station out in California in the San Jose area

00:26:17.860 that actively doxed ICE agents, their cars, their license plate, the makes, the models,

00:26:24.020 in a radio segment owned by Odyssey, which is a George Soros-controlled network, just about a week ago.

00:26:29.720 Luckily, the FCC, like I said, is stepping in and potentially investigating it.

00:26:34.740 But I have another clip.

00:26:35.840 I don't know how we're doing on time.

00:26:37.380 But I would like to play—it's MSNBC highlighting that same group that created that deportation defense manual.

00:26:44.440 And that, like I said, that deportation defense manual trains illegals how to avoid ICE.

00:26:51.300 Can we play the MSNBC clip?

00:26:53.060 Do we have time for it?

00:26:54.480 Let's hold for the—let's hold for the—let's hold for a second.

00:26:57.560 We'll do it.

00:26:58.140 We'll do it after a break.

00:27:00.060 I think your furniture has arrived, Natalie, if I hear the knocking on the door.

00:27:05.220 Natalie says, I can do a hit this morning.

00:27:06.980 I can do a hit this morning.

00:27:08.120 I've got to do it for my home studio because I've got a furniture around.

00:27:10.660 People should know she's taking this White House correspondent thing very seriously.

00:27:14.560 She's moved back from L.A.

00:27:16.300 And she's now in D.C.

00:27:19.400 Natalie, hang on for a second.

00:27:22.840 Do what?

00:27:23.820 Say what?

00:27:24.220 I said better furniture delivery than an ICE agent.

00:27:26.680 Exactly.

00:27:29.680 I tell you what, we're going to play the MSNBC clip on the other side.

00:27:34.820 Birch Gold, like I said, yesterday, Dave Bratt was able to put up the initial part of this—of the CBO.

00:27:42.720 That's the Congressional Budget Office.

00:27:44.440 And look, the Congressional Budget Office's numbers are never actually—we disagree.

00:27:48.820 They have the same dynamic scoring or non-dynamic scoring, so there may be on the margins some differences.

00:27:54.620 Bottom line, by 2035, $52 trillion in debt.

00:27:59.860 $2 trillion a year deficits in perpetuity, essentially what they're saying.

00:28:04.780 And obviously that is something we're going to fight.

00:28:07.080 Where you got to fight it?

00:28:08.100 March 14th.

00:28:09.020 The clock is ticking.

00:28:10.780 And Johnson and this crowd know that Hakeem Jeffries is going to try to block it.

00:28:15.860 So this is why we get a first cut.

00:28:17.860 First cut of USAID.

00:28:19.640 First cut of what Doge has found.

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00:29:45.560 The crisis is here.

00:29:47.900 A different beast than Trump 1.0, but people know their rights now more than ever, and we will build towns and cities.

00:29:54.600 We will build fortresses of resistance.

00:29:56.560 So I'm going to paint the scene.

00:29:58.680 Karin is in her home.

00:30:00.100 She doesn't have a keyhole, but she does have a window. 0.99

00:30:02.580 The door does have a lock.

00:30:03.920 And there is nobody in the home that has a deportation order.

00:30:07.080 So, con eso...

00:30:09.080 Tac, tac.

00:30:11.760 Tac, tac.

00:30:14.780 Pueden abrir la puerta?

00:30:18.400 Pueden abrir la puerta?

00:30:20.880 Andamos buscando una persona? 0.99

00:30:23.220 Con nombre de Juana?

00:30:24.760 Juana qué? 0.91

00:30:26.360 Juana Gutierrez? 0.90

00:30:27.540 No, acá no vive ninguna Juana Gutierrez. 0.81

00:30:30.740 Por favor, puedes abrir la puerta?

00:30:31.980 Natalie, when it rejoins us.

00:30:34.840 The furniture arrived.

00:30:37.020 Natalie, thanks for being...

00:30:38.360 It's a lot tougher doing it from the home studio than the White House is.

00:30:41.780 Your new gig is much easier.

00:30:45.080 Getting a furniture delivery...

00:30:46.580 As many mean girls over there... 1.00

00:30:47.700 As many mean girls over there picking on you. 1.00

00:30:51.160 What are we seeing right here?

00:30:52.100 I don't have a problem if people are getting schooled.

00:30:54.880 I have a problem if they're interfering with raids.

00:30:57.260 I also have a problem with if you're an illegal alien, exactly what your rights packages are. 1.00

00:31:03.160 Is MSNBC trying to stir this up?

00:31:05.320 Is the media being actually...

00:31:07.660 To actually get in the way of law enforcement?

00:31:10.660 We know that Pritzker in Illinois and Johnson...

00:31:13.500 And so for me, instead of going there and getting in those people's faces, I'd go start arresting officials.

00:31:19.820 California just last night, your beloved California, passed $50 million principally to thwart federal officials from coming in to actually do ICE raids and actually remove illegal alien criminals and illegal aliens.

00:31:36.160 And my point is that, hey, Palisades, suck on this.

00:31:39.560 You shouldn't get a penny until that law is rescinded and that California is reverse sanctuary cities and working with federal officials to remove illegal alien evaders.

00:31:49.340 Ma'am, your thoughts?

00:31:50.940 Well, that mindset shows the problem right there.

00:31:53.540 I mean, since President Trump had won the election, Gavin Newsom had been plotting, like you said, $50 million for their state.

00:31:59.880 DOJ, I believe half of it being itemized to actually block the deportations.

00:32:04.000 The other half to sort of try to be a guidebook and sort of a blueprint for other states to resist the Trump agenda.

00:32:11.180 But, Steve, I think there's another layer to it as well, that a lot of these groups that are involved in the resistance efforts are receiving taxpayer dollars, right?

00:32:19.780 Obviously, DHS has slow-rolled and frozen some of the taxpayer funds that are going to these entities, but they still have sizable war chests, not just from the four years of the Biden regime.

00:32:29.880 But you can see that group in particular, Steve, and I think it's important to note, right, the first wave of deportations, at least as sort of messaged by the Trump White House and the media, has been, we're just going after the criminals.

00:32:41.220 Yes, obviously, we need to expand that, but any deportation efforts that these groups are trying to block right now, they're trying to block the deportations of criminal, illegal aliens, right?

00:32:51.540 And like I said, the information that we flashed on the screen, this is very detailed in terms of questions and statements and answers.

00:32:59.300 You can see their role-playing, what to do with an ICE agent comes to your door.

00:33:03.500 This is extremely well-funded.

00:33:07.100 Yeah, no, this is not just giving you information.

00:33:09.120 That's training right there.

00:33:10.260 There's no doubt about it.

00:33:11.840 Natalie, we'll let you go about your chores on a Saturday morning.

00:33:15.340 Fabulous couple of weeks at the White House as a correspondent breaking all kind of news and particularly looking at the response to Days of Thunder.

00:33:22.780 If you get a chance, make sure you look at the Stephanie Rule last night because these are broken people.

00:33:28.640 They don't have resilience.

00:33:29.900 They have no – they've always controlled the levers of institutional power.

00:33:33.780 And once you take that – once you strip it away from them, they have absolutely nothing to stand on, including making an argument to the American people why President Trump should be slowed down.

00:33:42.340 He's not going to be slowed down.

00:33:43.600 Natalie, your social media so people can get you over the weekend.

00:33:46.700 Yes, the emperor has no clothes.

00:33:49.400 Natalie G. Winters on all social media platforms.

00:33:51.700 Thank you for having me on, Steve.

00:33:55.180 Natalie, thanks.

00:33:56.120 See you on Monday.

00:33:57.200 Natalie Winters, our White House correspondent.

00:33:59.320 A fascinating couple of weeks.

00:34:00.800 I'm very honored to be here.

00:34:02.740 Can we get – can we get the shot – is the shot good?

00:34:05.440 Is the shot good right there?

00:34:07.500 Can we broaden that shot?

00:34:08.500 There we go right there.

00:34:09.660 The victim is identified.

00:34:11.240 Yeah.

00:34:11.720 We're sitting here at Harvard.

00:34:13.200 We've got Kimo Gandel, a student over at Harvard Law School, right?

00:34:17.440 Yes.

00:34:18.540 Why are you so brave to come on the boardroom on a Saturday morning, Kimo?

00:34:23.200 Tell me, at Harvard Law, what are you studying?

00:34:25.620 What year are you?

00:34:26.740 And so we're going to dox Kimo here on television.

00:34:29.520 And where do you come from?

00:34:31.340 How did you end up in Harvard?

00:34:33.340 Yeah.

00:34:33.540 So I'm a 3L at Harvard.

00:34:35.100 Kind of ended up there because I was working.

00:34:37.440 3L.

00:34:38.000 3L, third year.

00:34:39.020 Third year law school.

00:34:39.840 Yeah, about to graduate.

00:34:40.940 So people say the paper chase.

00:34:42.220 That's first year law.

00:34:43.380 Harvard Law, right?

00:34:43.480 Yes, correct.

00:34:44.340 So third year, you're more in – you've already thrown up when you've been cold

00:34:48.440 called the first time.

00:34:49.520 Yeah.

00:34:49.780 And you got to all the nerves.

00:34:50.800 Yeah, yeah.

00:34:51.540 Cold calling, not too much of a big deal in my opinion.

00:34:54.520 You know, from a very practical standpoint, it's not graded usually with the exception

00:34:58.920 of a few professors.

00:35:00.540 So does it matter?

00:35:01.880 I think it's mostly a pride thing.

00:35:03.320 They're trying to tear down students so they can build them back up.

00:35:06.280 It's almost like a military exercise.

00:35:09.080 Like a Marine Corps or like boot camp, right?

00:35:10.460 Precisely.

00:35:10.860 Is paper chase accurate?

00:35:12.540 I mean, not the stuff about the daughter and everything like that, but is the – is

00:35:16.980 Haussmann's amazing professor, which he won the Academy Award for, is that – was

00:35:23.000 it Kingsbury?

00:35:24.700 Yeah, yeah.

00:35:25.580 Is that an accurate portrayal?

00:35:27.100 I think it is an accurate portrayal.

00:35:28.740 You know, I can't go into specifics because Harvard has a non-attribution policy.

00:35:33.800 But, yes, I do think it's accurate, and I think that's actually a good thing.

00:35:38.020 I think we need to rub out the snowflakes from the law.

00:35:40.660 People need to actually understand what they're talking about and be able to articulate the

00:35:44.580 case law.

00:35:45.140 And if they can't, they should get out.

00:35:46.360 And that's contract law, right?

00:35:48.080 Correct.

00:35:48.340 And contract law is the foundation of kind of everything at Harvard?

00:35:51.360 Yeah, yeah.

00:35:51.860 Okay.

00:35:52.040 Well, that's an edgy opinion.

00:35:53.020 Some people think torts is the basis of law.

00:35:55.020 I do agree, though.

00:35:56.020 Most law, especially in the modern sense, is adjudicated through contract.

00:36:00.600 What – tell me about your experience here, and particularly being a conservative.

00:36:04.500 And people tell me you're actually pretty MAGA.

00:36:08.020 Yeah, oh, I'm very MAGA.

00:36:08.900 How can you be MAGA at Harvard?

00:36:11.380 Well, I always openly talk about my opinions, and most of my colleagues are – they're

00:36:16.680 very cordial about it, or they just don't have the willpower to confront me on it.

00:36:20.920 A lot on the left, they're spiritually weak.

00:36:23.060 They don't have any direction.

00:36:24.220 That's kind of the essence of existentialism, right?

00:36:26.800 You have to define it all for yourself.

00:36:28.480 What do you mean spiritually weak?

00:36:29.920 Yeah, they have no direct opinions about the meaning of life.

00:36:33.100 They're just kind of aimless.

00:36:35.540 And that is one problem that confronts a postmodern – I would call it a-religious. 0.80

00:36:41.140 Sometimes they dwell into paganistic or pseudo-religious sentiments, but they have no actual direction

00:36:49.340 in a higher good, which is what the natural law calls us to.

00:36:52.240 How did you get into Harvard?

00:36:54.120 Did they have a – is the screening process here broken down?

00:36:57.020 Seriously?

00:36:57.740 Yeah, no, I was very –

00:36:58.680 They actually have folks like you.

00:37:00.460 Yeah, I was very upfront about what I believed.

00:37:03.380 I've never tried to hide it.

00:37:05.660 You can look up my name.

00:37:06.740 Do you walk around here with security?

00:37:08.940 No, I don't, but maybe I should.

00:37:11.720 Yeah, I mean, at the end of the day, a lot of these people, they're either decent in that

00:37:16.820 they are just misled, or they're just spiritually weak and they don't confront you.

00:37:21.100 And that's the entire reason we're seeing such a massive shift in the law, especially

00:37:25.620 towards artificial intelligence, is it's able to provide articulated answers, and you

00:37:30.040 don't have to pay these people's billables, which are ridiculous.

00:37:32.780 $1,200 an hour for somebody to read a case?

00:37:35.980 That's what we're looking at, and that's why the transformation's begun.

00:37:38.800 Hang over a second, because you know we're the home of the Luddites.

00:37:42.200 We're the anti-transhumanists. 1.00

00:37:44.400 What do you mean about – I keep telling people, hey, it's not going to be blue-collar

00:37:47.360 jobs, the first wave is going to be administrative, managerial, and mid-tech.

00:37:51.780 It's one of the many, many reasons I'm so against H-1B visas.

00:37:55.540 But to give you your experience, as a person in Harvard Law, third year, you're looking

00:38:00.640 to go into the job market.

00:38:02.260 Talk to me about artificial intelligence, even for a guy in your situation.

00:38:06.680 Yeah, yeah.

00:38:07.340 So, great question.

00:38:08.340 In fact, I love the show's take on that, because it confronts kind of the incidental

00:38:12.240 versus intrinsic problem with artificial intelligence.

00:38:14.540 I think what you've pointed out is a lot of the current companies that control the

00:38:19.300 large language models practice objectively evil standards.

00:38:23.240 So, they're adamantly against the president.

00:38:25.960 They're adamantly opposed to the natural law, and they will actively censor those opinions.

00:38:30.440 Now, they've rolled it back a bit simply because the positions of power have changed, but

00:38:34.120 you could bet that if Kamala Harris won the presidency, we would see much stronger security 0.99

00:38:40.660 features with large language models like OpenAI with Sam Altman.

00:38:45.280 And it's kind of a sad world we live in.

00:38:47.180 Slow down for a second.

00:38:48.000 Hang on.

00:38:48.480 Explain that.

00:38:49.380 I just want to make sure the audience understands this.

00:38:51.420 Hit rewind and give me that again.

00:38:53.940 Yeah.

00:38:54.360 So, a lot of these large language models have security features built into them, either through

00:38:59.700 reinforcement training or actually how O1 and O3 works with OpenAI.

00:39:03.820 They're different models, is they actually re-prompt it.

00:39:07.980 So, when your call goes in your query, right, you type something into the chat bot, they will

00:39:12.380 actually re-prompt it on their end, and that allows them to give a safe answer.

00:39:17.940 It's also how when you ask ChatGBT something, it'll often say, sorry, I can't give you an answer

00:39:23.140 for that.

00:39:23.640 This is how, if you type in on DeepSeek and talk about Tiananmen Square, it comes up and

00:39:31.100 gives you some, it's a beautiful day on 4 June in Beijing, correct?

00:39:37.100 Yeah.

00:39:37.600 No, exactly.

00:39:38.880 DeepSeek, it's kind of a scary world where Mark Zuckerberg is kind of our height of open

00:39:45.000 sourced software for large language models.

00:39:47.820 Mark Zuckerberg, I might add, came, was right over here in the houses, what are called dorms,

00:39:54.940 what the dorms are called here at Harvard.

00:39:56.460 Is he not, his ethical and moral training came from Harvard?

00:39:59.440 Did it not, sir?

00:40:00.220 Yeah, it definitely, well, at least the undergrad school.

00:40:02.440 I like to think at the law school we have some higher standards of ethics.

00:40:05.700 Maybe not, though, actually.

00:40:07.540 We've seen a lot of terrible things come out of that school as well, but also great things.

00:40:13.380 And so, what I think, when it comes down to ethics, right, the problem with the intelligentsia

00:40:17.580 in this country is that they are generally existentially led.

00:40:21.780 And I do think our generations beginning—

00:40:23.240 What does that mean, existentially led?

00:40:25.020 They see as a function of their pride.

00:40:29.320 They try to define the world in their image, which is what you talked about with these transhumanists, 1.00

00:40:33.900 right?

00:40:34.680 Transhumanism is the essence of pride because it's an attempt to reconstruct God's world 1.00

00:40:39.880 in your own image.

00:40:41.000 It's an attempt to be God, and that's really been the epitome of postmodern Western ideals,

00:40:46.360 which is despite God.

00:40:47.780 This is very different from what we might see in the East, you know, even if you go back 0.62

00:40:51.680 as far as Confucius' Analects, right?

00:40:54.520 It's more about order and domination and habitual conduct.

00:40:58.360 This is very different from what we see in the West.

00:41:00.320 And it's part of what makes the West great, but it's also part of what makes the West

00:41:03.640 so susceptible to these demonic influences.

00:41:06.420 Do you have—in Harvard, do you have either the coffee shops or in the dorms or the housing

00:41:11.740 units or in the classrooms, do you have these type of debates, open debates about this?

00:41:15.440 Can you have that?

00:41:16.160 Oh, absolutely.

00:41:17.460 I try to talk to my classmates all the time about demonic influence in the judiciary,

00:41:22.660 but that's a joke.

00:41:24.140 That's a joke.

00:41:24.560 I'm not actually claiming my opponents believe that.

00:41:27.140 But yeah, we have these debates all the time.

00:41:29.980 And if you're just upfront with people, I think they respect that.

00:41:33.160 We now live in a world with so much noise, partially created by AI, partially created just

00:41:37.500 by social media, that people really respect honesty.

00:41:40.440 And so when you're honest and you're polite and you're cordial to people, you can change

00:41:44.340 opinions.

00:41:45.840 Kimo, as we go through days of thunder, and we had the Stephanie rule at the beginning up

00:41:51.980 about the guys last night are totally shattered.

00:41:54.760 It looks like they're depending.

00:41:55.960 In fact, half the show is talking about the courts.

00:41:58.080 And you had federal judges yesterday, including some we know very well, some Trump appointees

00:42:02.480 that people associated with the show worked on their confirmation actually start to slow

00:42:06.680 down the process.

00:42:07.380 What's your takeaway from that?

00:42:09.800 Yeah.

00:42:10.200 So without diving into the cases themselves, there's this general sentiment amongst the

00:42:15.040 intelligentsia to slow things down.

00:42:17.600 And there's some reason for that.

00:42:19.000 Now, part of it's pride.

00:42:20.300 Part of it is a belief that you're so important, it needs to go through your own review.

00:42:24.260 Part of that is also just their ideology.

00:42:26.700 Because the intelligentsia is so obsessed with looking at tiny, small details, they forget

00:42:32.180 to look at the larger picture.

00:42:34.820 Kimo, any social media?

00:42:36.300 We're going to have you back on.

00:42:37.260 I'm going to roll some other guests.

00:42:38.460 We're in Harvard Square today.

00:42:40.180 So we've got some people, a great conference going on.

00:42:43.380 Salient Magazine is helping, one of the people helping put this on.

00:42:47.000 We'll talk about the magazine a little more in the second hour.

00:42:49.280 Any social media that you have?

00:42:52.520 Yeah.

00:42:52.820 Look me up on LinkedIn or Twitter, Kimo underscore Gandel.

00:42:56.300 You can find me anywhere.

00:42:57.640 And I'm actively posting on the conservative movement and artificial intelligence.

00:43:02.060 So expect to be swamped today after Media Matters puts this clip up in a little while.

00:43:06.480 I love it.

00:43:06.980 I love it.

00:43:07.480 Love to talk to them, too.

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00:43:11.520 Big article in the Hill newspaper this morning.

00:43:14.400 What is it about President Trump's tariffs?

00:43:17.200 And specifically about active pharmaceutical ingredients and generics.

00:43:22.000 We've talked a couple, three times about this on this show.

00:43:25.040 They're going to be hit with tariffs.

00:43:26.860 So as it – that's okay.

00:43:29.940 Kimo gets it due to the end, but that's fine.

00:43:31.880 We're good.

00:43:32.400 No, no, no.

00:43:32.760 We're good.

00:43:33.200 We're good.

00:43:33.960 Natalie had a furniture delivery in the last segment.

00:43:36.720 My producer just gave Kimo the hook.

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00:44:54.100 Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.

00:44:57.820 Okay, welcome back.

00:45:02.660 Honored to be with Professor Amy Wax.

00:45:05.200 By the way, I'm telling our producer, he cannot give her the hook.

00:45:07.900 She's here for the whole segment.

00:45:09.700 Back off there, Harry.

00:45:11.020 We're here in Harvard Square.

00:45:12.540 Professor Amy Wax, I'm a huge fan and have wanted to do this for so long.

00:45:16.380 Talk to me, first off, why are you here at a conference talking to young students at Harvard today?

00:45:24.540 Well, because what's more important than young people to the future of our country?

00:45:30.000 And I see in academia a complete indifference to that future, to young people, to responsibilities towards those young people, to expose them to the truth, to reality, however unpleasant that might be.

00:45:47.860 I see dereliction in that duty.

00:45:50.700 And more broadly, as a conservative, I believe in Edmund Burke's covenant, which is that because we have inherited wonderful, lasting, valuable institutions from the past and from the struggles and sacrifices of the past, we have a duty to preserve, protect, and defend them and then pass them on to the next generations.

00:46:18.340 But as a victim, we owe as much to those that came before us as we owe to future generations, and we honor that by passing on these institutions in better shape and making sure we pass them on with their original intent.

00:46:29.740 Precisely.

00:46:31.060 Precisely.

00:46:31.580 And I take that very seriously.

00:46:31.920 Are we not doing that in the United States of America?

00:46:33.900 We absolutely are not.

00:46:35.080 What do you mean by that?

00:46:36.100 Well, first of all, we are degrading and debasing the institutions of Western civilization, actively denigrating them and running them down.

00:46:48.340 I think in many ways that are just plain false, and we are teaching our children and our young people that what we enjoy every day, the privileges and the benefits that we enjoy every day, are somehow ill-gotten gains.

00:47:06.100 They are the product of exploitation and persecution and racism and all of these evil forces, and that is a lie.

00:47:17.800 So we shouldn't be doing that because it causes them to have a heedless attitude towards all of the goods that they have inherited.

00:47:28.920 So I think that's very wrong.

00:47:31.540 Secondly, I see in my fellow academics an unwillingness to go up against the powers that be and some of their destructive and nefarious ideas and programs like DEI, which denigrates the meritocracy,

00:47:48.840 which creates a lax atmosphere, that results in incompetence, which discriminates against white males, which valorizes identity politics and diversity over and above other important values.

00:48:05.920 And they won't speak up about it, even though many of them behind closed doors have their doubts and don't even support and approve of this kind of thing.

00:48:17.040 So it's a kind of cowardice.

00:48:18.720 And, of course, who suffers from that cowardice?

00:48:22.160 The people who are coming after us.

00:48:24.280 See, hang on for a second.

00:48:25.560 You've been in academia at top universities, University of Virginia, University of Pennsylvania, for 30-some years.

00:48:32.520 How did this happen?

00:48:33.360 Those are two of the leading institutions in this country founded by some of the great, you know,

00:48:38.300 Chalmers Jefferson at UVA, the University of Pennsylvania, you know, the fantastic people of Pennsylvania that formed that in Philadelphia.

00:48:46.740 How did these two leading institutions deteriorate so badly?

00:48:51.180 Well, I mean, it happened gradually, and as Hemingway says, then suddenly.

00:48:56.300 And it's because of that the far left has created a stronghold in these institutions, and it has drawn up the ladders and consolidated its power.

00:49:08.600 And that belief system is very far removed from most ordinary people.

00:49:14.900 And, of course, the interests of those ordinary people, although elites profess to care about them, they don't really care about them.

00:49:23.120 What do you mean by that?

00:49:23.940 They don't care?

00:49:24.660 That's all phony?

00:49:26.020 I think it's largely phony.

00:49:28.360 You can just look around you in Cambridge and see this sort of posh, refined, beautiful place that elite people have created for themselves.

00:49:38.920 Go 30 miles to the west of Philadelphia outside my home, and you'll see squalor, decrepitude, lack of law and order, a paucity of nice things.

00:49:51.640 And everybody wants nice things.

00:49:54.340 But I think it's more than that.

00:49:55.540 It's an ideology that the left has cultivated in these universities.

00:50:00.200 And in the debate last night that the salient held, one of the students said it well.

00:50:04.560 He said the two pillars of the far left are, number one, self-fashioning.

00:50:10.400 We reject all obligations and duties that are unchosen.

00:50:14.760 We will choose and we will create ourselves.

00:50:18.100 We shall be as gods.

00:50:20.100 And secondly, this obsession with equality of outcome, which, of course, is the centerpiece of what we know as woke.

00:50:29.520 And we will, by hook and by crook, force people to accept that ideology and to live that ideology while we largely exempt ourselves from it.

00:50:41.840 And here I'm going to cite Charles Murray in Coming Apart, which is a brilliant and magisterial book.

00:50:47.340 He has shown how the elites have separated themselves from the rest of society, the top 20 percent geographically, culturally, educationally, in where they live, very important.

00:51:02.620 They live in the fastness of their little white-opias while they tout diversity for everybody else.

00:51:09.220 So there's a lot of double standards and duplicity here, which the masses understand.

00:51:17.020 We have about 90 seconds.

00:51:18.880 Any recommendations to President Trump in his days of thunder?

00:51:21.920 Have you seen the direction where he's headed?

00:51:23.620 What would you tell the president if he was here this morning?

00:51:26.400 Defund academia.

00:51:28.340 We have Title VI of the Civil Rights Act, which makes the receipt of federal funds in private institutions like my own contingent on obeying the law, not discriminating, obeying the civil rights laws.

00:51:44.000 Those laws are violated every day in every way.

00:51:48.440 And Trump would have ample justification to cut off those institutions and ask them to prove that they deserve all this money.

00:51:57.860 Penn gets $900-plus million a year in loans, in grants, in other programmatic funding.

00:52:05.960 They are rich enough to fund themselves until they prove that they are obeying the law.

00:52:13.880 Defund them.

00:52:14.500 That's the mother's milk of these posh universities.

00:52:17.820 Defund them, play hardball, make them start focusing on Western civilization.

00:52:23.600 Nothing else will get their attention.

00:52:25.540 Professor Amy Wax, we're going to leave with the right stuff from the classic movie by Philip Kaufman.

00:52:34.220 I think Professor Amy Wax has got the right stuff, and she knows it when she sees it.

00:52:38.600 Short commercial break.

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Bannon's War Room - February 08, 2025

Episode 4255： WarRoom Takes On Harvard

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